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TSE good point well made.JennyFreeman said:
Sir, you're no Winston ChurchillTheScreamingEagles said:
Churchill, 1940bigjohnowls said:Corbyn has certainly gone up in my estimation over the past few days.
Has any politician ever been put under so much stress and resisted?0 -
Mr. Eagles, more accurate than when you call yourself a historian
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Mike Smithson = David Lloyd George ?Sunil_Prasannan said:
TSE = Lord HalifaxJennyFreeman said:
Sir, you're no Winston ChurchillTheScreamingEagles said:
Churchill, 1940bigjohnowls said:Corbyn has certainly gone up in my estimation over the past few days.
Has any politician ever been put under so much stress and resisted?
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Even If Corbyn does step down, I'm pretty sure Falconer won't resigndr_spyn said:Fingers in his ear...la...la...la.
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/748162264771989504
May be just gossip.0 -
I was actually paraphrasing MaggieIanB2 said:
Yes, so money goes round in a circle, or doesn't, in which case we are all in trouble.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Employers get profits from people buying their products/using their services, no?IanB2 said:
If you really believe that I suggest you relocate to somewhere where you can live without any requirement to share your money with the state institutions (council, GLA, UK and EU) with which, by living here, you de facto agree to yield a proportion of your income/wealth in return for the services they provide.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Substantial largess from the EU my ARSE!JackW said:
The economic arguments are clearly significant. However if the EU referendum taught us anything, apart from the "interesting disturbance in polling accuracy", it is that financial arguments, however solidly based sometimes do not always cut through. "Experts" Hhmmm ....DavidL said:The Scottish economy is completely integrated with the UK economy. Any change in that will cause disruptions approximately 8x what the UK is facing at the moment. Given the facts of history and geography there is no way to avoid that.
Wales and Cornwall voted LEAVE despite substantial largesse from the EU. They wanted out and they didn't care. Scotland and the Union may go the same way.
The UK as a whole is a net contributor to Brussels coffers!
Remember:
There is no such thing as "EU money"! There is only taxpayers' money!
Anyway, there is no such thing as "your money", it comes from your employer (or bank, or deceased relatives, or wherever)... lol
My last point was only 10% serious.
I know that you like your point, but honestly it seems rather trite to me!
"Let us never forget this fundamental truth: the State has no source of money other than money which people earn themselves. If the State wishes to spend more it can do so only by borrowing your savings or by taxing you more. It is no good thinking that someone else will pay – that ‘someone else’ is you. There is no such thing as public money; there is only taxpayers’ money."
- speech to Conference, 14/10/83
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Not contradictory really. We would be damaged badly in a few specific areas, but probably unaffected in most others and may even gain in some. Overall with a strong government stance the City could prosper, though I imagine fully out would see the bank levy go away.IanB2 said:
Travelgall distils into some succinct bullet points a persuasive case that London is still well positioned, with or without the EU and passporting.Richard_Nabavi said:
He or she makes good points, but it's not a binary choice between the fears being hogwash and the worst fears being 100% certain. No-one is claiming that, even in the worst case, the City is doomed by Brexit (well, actually a senior banker friend of mine did say that). What people are saying is that the City will be severely damaged, especially if financial passporting is not available.geoffw said:Anyone here professing interest/knowledge in "passporting", the City, financial services yet seen @Travelgall's post at 2:22 on the previous thread?
Anyone – @rcs1000, @Richard_Tyndall, @MaxPB, @Richard_Nabavi, @AlastairMeeks, @SeanT @SouthamObserver etc etc ?
If so what's your opinion? Mine is that @Travelgall has made an excellent case that those fears are hogwash.
I know little about the world of city finance, so it is tempting to defer.
I do however mix with a lot of City bods and it is true that a) most of them are strongly pro-EU and b) most of them genuinely believe that leaving the EU will significantly damage the City's position in world finance.
So now I am left wondering how to square these two seemingly contradictory positions?0 -
@Peston: I am told GMB and Unite both about to come out in support of @jeremycorbyn. & they call on Labour MPs to behave as effective opposition0
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Robert Peston @Peston 1 min1 minute ago
I am told GMB and Unite both about to come out in support of @jeremycorbyn. & they call on Labour MPs to behave as effective opposition
Ho Ho HOOOOO!!!!!0 -
If Fox is realising that a run is futile, then it rather suggests a number of the other campaigns won't get off the ground too. We could see a new PM in rather short order.Pong said:
Liam Fox hoped to be in a stronger position right now. He realises he has no chance of making the final ballot and his weak hand is only going to get weaker from now on.TheWhiteRabbit said:What does Liam Fox want from May?
I am slightly concerned, personally.
Theresa would be silly to offer anything concrete.
Unless there's some kind of last minute surprise entry (I'm still holding out for Hammond!) it'll be May v Boris, with both teams hoping to face Crabb - rather than each other - when it goes out to the members.
I'm really looking forward to those Boris v May hustings.0 -
Historian, classicist, Punmaster-General, polling guru, I'm a modern day polymathMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, more accurate than when you call yourself a historian
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My dad was an acquaintance of Mikes!!David_Evershed said:
Mike Smithson = David Lloyd George ?Sunil_Prasannan said:
TSE = Lord HalifaxJennyFreeman said:
Sir, you're no Winston ChurchillTheScreamingEagles said:
Churchill, 1940bigjohnowls said:Corbyn has certainly gone up in my estimation over the past few days.
Has any politician ever been put under so much stress and resisted?0 -
Don't think so, really, any more than Corbyn ceases to be Labour leader because a vote of no confidence. If you're elected to something, you stay there until you either choose to resign or someone else is elected to replace you - what else you or others may be doing in the meantime doesn't affect it.RodCrosby said:Surely if Watson challenges Corbyn, he'd have to resign the Deputy Leadership?
"Honourable thing...", and all that.
Nick? Views?
But I note that we're back where we were a year ago that the ABC faction can't make up their minds who or what they actually support. If that continues, Corbyn will win - indeed, I don't see why the ABC side would waste our time with the re-run. If they come up someone and they've something to say other than "I am not Corbyn", we'll have a listen.0 -
Just woke up, and Corbyn is still leader. Not sure if I'm dreaming....0
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Why? What are they hoping to achieve? A new radical party on the left?Tissue_Price said:@Peston: I am told GMB and Unite both about to come out in support of @jeremycorbyn. & they call on Labour MPs to behave as effective opposition
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Stalin, 1941?JennyFreeman said:
Sir, you're no Winston ChurchillTheScreamingEagles said:
Churchill, 1940bigjohnowls said:Corbyn has certainly gone up in my estimation over the past few days.
Has any politician ever been put under so much stress and resisted?0 -
To Corbyn? They seem to be doing that fine without union help....Tissue_Price said:@Peston: I am told GMB and Unite both about to come out in support of @jeremycorbyn. & they call on Labour MPs to behave as effective opposition
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If turnout is high, Trump wins. Just like Brexit did. The standard GE voters will show up for Hillary, Trump could get non regular GE voters out.williamglenn said:
Trump seems to have steadied the ship significantly.RodCrosby said:6/21-6/27
2016 General Election
Clinton 42% Trump 40%
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I wonder if there's an analogy between Hillary's media blitz and the Brexit Project Fear campaign. There's a point where people stop listening.0 -
What's all this "we"?NickPalmer said:
Don't think so, really, any more than Corbyn ceases to be Labour leader because a vote of no confidence. If you're elected to something, you stay there until you either choose to resign or someone else is elected to replace you - what else you or others may be doing in the meantime doesn't affect it.RodCrosby said:Surely if Watson challenges Corbyn, he'd have to resign the Deputy Leadership?
"Honourable thing...", and all that.
Nick? Views?
But I note that we're back where we were a year ago that the ABC faction can't make up their minds who or what they actually support. If that continues, Corbyn will win - indeed, I don't see why the ABC side would waste our time with the re-run. If they come up someone and they've something to say other than "I am not Corbyn", we'll have a listen.0 -
Labour edge closer to the event horizon....Tissue_Price said:@Peston: I am told GMB and Unite both about to come out in support of @jeremycorbyn. & they call on Labour MPs to behave as effective opposition
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Corbyn and Watson visit Polish centre...0
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I share your concerns about her - although from my perspective the whole thing is a matter of relative evils.Indigo said:
Probably so, however Theresa 'Nasty Party' May, champion of the Snooper's Charter ? There must be a better option.IanB2 said:
More evidence for my view that Boris is the pro-EU candidate and Theresa the anti.TheScreamingEagles said:
My point is that, whilst if you go onto ConHome you will see lots of Brexiters banging on about how they must vote for Boris as a "true leaver" with Theresa tainted by her treachery of having (quietly) backed remain, I firmly believe the opposite is the case.
Boris is actually by instinct a remainer (I refer you to a decade of his previous utterings and the views of all his close family), took a chance on backing leave for tactical reasons of self-interest only, thought remain would win, wanted remain to win, probably even tried a little bit to help remain win, and will do his best to secure an outcome as pro-EU as possible, conceding free movement etc.
Theresa is by instinct a leaver, but as home secretary could hardly break with her PM, expected remain to win and wanted to keep her job, and will probably do her best to secure a deal much more to the liking of the leavers, particularly those concerned about free movement.
So it's going to be a very interesting campaign, since very many of the punters are at the moment clearly on the wrong sides!
Remainers like Truss and Soames starting to come out for Boris, and Leavers like Fox toying with May, are clear clues that the parliamentary party at least sees where the land lies. We shall just have to see whether Tory members will be able to work all this out for themselves!
Wouldn't it be amazing if, in the privacy of the polling booth, Boris voted Remain whereas both Corbyn and May voted Leave? I'd say this is quite probably what happened!0 -
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Tim Bouverie @TimPBouverie · 5m5 minutes ago
I understand that @LiamFoxMP is now not likely to stand for Tory leadership and will back Theresa May. Key Fox supporters gone to Crabb
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If Corbyn wins, progressive politics in this country is dead.NickPalmer said:
Don't think so, really, any more than Corbyn ceases to be Labour leader because a vote of no confidence. If you're elected to something, you stay there until you either choose to resign or someone else is elected to replace you - what else you or others may be doing in the meantime doesn't affect it.RodCrosby said:Surely if Watson challenges Corbyn, he'd have to resign the Deputy Leadership?
"Honourable thing...", and all that.
Nick? Views?
But I note that we're back where we were a year ago that the ABC faction can't make up their minds who or what they actually support. If that continues, Corbyn will win - indeed, I don't see why the ABC side would waste our time with the re-run. If they come up someone and they've something to say other than "I am not Corbyn", we'll have a listen.
The poor, the vulnerable and the working class are screwed...
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Khan Noonien Singh lives....!TheScreamingEagles said:
Historian, classicist, Punmaster-General, polling guru, I'm a modern day polymathMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, more accurate than when you call yourself a historian
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The Blair thing looks like a squirrel of mass destruction.
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I can't resist. It's time for the eternal verities to be reaffirmed. Let's hear from the old crowd favourite, M. Machiavelli:
"We must bear in mind, then, that there is nothing more difficult and dangerous, or more doubtful of success, than an attempt to introduce a new order of things in any state. For the innovator has for enemies all those who derived advantages from the old order of things, whilst those who expect to be benefited by the new institutions will be but lukewarm defenders. This indifference arises in part from fear of their adversaries who were favoured by the existing laws, and partly from the incredulity of men who have no faith in anything new that is not the result of well-established experience. Hence it is that, whenever the opponents of the new order of things have the opportunity to attack it, they will do it with the zeal of partisans, whilst the others defend it but feebly, so that it is dangerous to rely upon the latter.''
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It really isn't easy to fit a game of cricket in in this country is it?0
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IMO the only way Jezza steps down is if The Peoples Chanc. has sufficient nominations already in blood to be on the ballot0
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On the same lines, could we see a bunch of brass nameplates sprouting in Paris and Frankfurt for businesses nominally based there, though all the work is actually done in London?MTimT said:
Honest question. Is the business that is totally reliant on the passport sufficient to get banks seriously thinking of moving the entire shop, or just that part that requires the passport?
Also, how would this affect the Lloyds insurance market? Would EU rules prevent EU companies buying insurance there? If they do, can EU insurance markets fill the gap fast enough? What happens to existing insurance polices EU companies have at Lloyds?
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Corbyn looking punch-drunk and literally dragged-off by an aide before he can answer questions...0
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We over-use the word 'genius', but Machiavelli was a genius. His advice doesn't age.John_M said:I can't resist. It's time for the eternal verities to be reaffirmed. Let's hear from the old crowd favourite, M. Machiavelli:
"We must bear in mind, then, that there is nothing more difficult and dangerous, or more doubtful of success, than an attempt to introduce a new order of things in any state. For the innovator has for enemies all those who derived advantages from the old order of things, whilst those who expect to be benefited by the new institutions will be but lukewarm defenders. This indifference arises in part from fear of their adversaries who were favoured by the existing laws, and partly from the incredulity of men who have no faith in anything new that is not the result of well-established experience. Hence it is that, whenever the opponents of the new order of things have the opportunity to attack it, they will do it with the zeal of partisans, whilst the others defend it but feebly, so that it is dangerous to rely upon the latter.''
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Whose the net beneficiary? Sounds like Crabb netted more supporters.Scrapheap_as_was said:phew
Tim Bouverie @TimPBouverie · 5m5 minutes ago
I understand that @LiamFoxMP is now not likely to stand for Tory leadership and will back Theresa May. Key Fox supporters gone to Crabb
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Thinking about Chilcot, Norman Lamb was Charles Kennedy’s PPS in 2003. Might have something to contribute when the debate happens.0
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How humble of you not to mention your AV qualificationsTheScreamingEagles said:
Historian, classicist, Punmaster-General, polling guru, I'm a modern day polymathMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, more accurate than when you call yourself a historian
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100% right.NickPalmer said:
Don't think so, really, any more than Corbyn ceases to be Labour leader because a vote of no confidence. If you're elected to something, you stay there until you either choose to resign or someone else is elected to replace you - what else you or others may be doing in the meantime doesn't affect it.RodCrosby said:Surely if Watson challenges Corbyn, he'd have to resign the Deputy Leadership?
"Honourable thing...", and all that.
Nick? Views?
But I note that we're back where we were a year ago that the ABC faction can't make up their minds who or what they actually support. If that continues, Corbyn will win - indeed, I don't see why the ABC side would waste our time with the re-run. If they come up someone and they've something to say other than "I am not Corbyn", we'll have a listen.
Put up or shut up time0 -
It may also tie in with the Nixon goes to China theory - Boris can afford to 'betray' leave more than Theresa can afford to been seen ignoring the result - so remainer tories flock to Boris thinking they can get him signed on for EEA lite. Which will drive leavers into MayIanB2 said:
I share your concerns about her - although from my perspective the whole thing is a matter of relative evils.Indigo said:
Probably so, however Theresa 'Nasty Party' May, champion of the Snooper's Charter ? There must be a better option.IanB2 said:
More evidence for my view that Boris is the pro-EU candidate and Theresa the anti.TheScreamingEagles said:
My point is that, whilst if you go onto ConHome you will see lots of Brexiters banging on about how they must vote for Boris as a "true leaver" with Theresa tainted by her treachery of having (quietly) backed remain, I firmly believe the opposite is the case.
Boris is actually by instinct a remainer (I refer you to a decade of his previous utterings and the views of all his close family), took a chance on backing leave for tactical reasons of self-interest only, thought remain would win, wanted remain to win, probably even tried a little bit to help remain win, and will do his best to secure an outcome as pro-EU as possible, conceding free movement etc.
Theresa is by instinct a leaver, but as home secretary could hardly break with her PM, expected remain to win and wanted to keep her job, and will probably do her best to secure a deal much more to the liking of the leavers, particularly those concerned about free movement.
So it's going to be a very interesting campaign, since very many of the punters are at the moment clearly on the wrong sides!
Remainers like Truss and Soames starting to come out for Boris, and Leavers like Fox toying with May, are clear clues that the parliamentary party at least sees where the land lies. We shall just have to see whether Tory members will be able to work all this out for themselves!0 -
Everything is on hold. Even the humiliation of the English football team by Iceland was brushed over to a great degree. It would have led the news in almost every other time period, for at least a day.DavidL said:It really isn't easy to fit a game of cricket in in this country is it?
As David Davis said on Daily Politics today "We're currently producing more history than we can consume"0 -
We all are if Fox is off the menuRobD said:
Whose the net beneficiary? Sounds like Crabb netted more supporters.Scrapheap_as_was said:phew
Tim Bouverie @TimPBouverie · 5m5 minutes ago
I understand that @LiamFoxMP is now not likely to stand for Tory leadership and will back Theresa May. Key Fox supporters gone to Crabb
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It's really not time for an outsider, is it? It's not 2005 again, where we were choosing a future leader to develop the Party, the winner here will be straight in as PM with a lot on her plate.MarqueeMark said:
If Fox is realising that a run is futile, then it rather suggests a number of the other campaigns won't get off the ground too. We could see a new PM in rather short order.Pong said:
Liam Fox hoped to be in a stronger position right now. He realises he has no chance of making the final ballot and his weak hand is only going to get weaker from now on.TheWhiteRabbit said:What does Liam Fox want from May?
I am slightly concerned, personally.
Theresa would be silly to offer anything concrete.
Unless there's some kind of last minute surprise entry (I'm still holding out for Hammond!) it'll be May v Boris, with both teams hoping to face Crabb - rather than each other - when it goes out to the members.
I'm really looking forward to those Boris v May hustings.
Better for everyone that we have no more than 3 or 4 candidates, can be whittled down to two in a week and the members can have their say next month. Job done by August.0 -
And surely the Oppostion needs to be holding HMG to account properly in the present circumstances? It is a proper function of Opposition, and rightly so. However, our Opposition is making your average student union look like Roosevelt meeting Churchill in comparison.murali_s said:
If Corbyn wins, progressive politics in this country is dead.NickPalmer said:
Don't think so, really, any more than Corbyn ceases to be Labour leader because a vote of no confidence. If you're elected to something, you stay there until you either choose to resign or someone else is elected to replace you - what else you or others may be doing in the meantime doesn't affect it.RodCrosby said:Surely if Watson challenges Corbyn, he'd have to resign the Deputy Leadership?
"Honourable thing...", and all that.
Nick? Views?
But I note that we're back where we were a year ago that the ABC faction can't make up their minds who or what they actually support. If that continues, Corbyn will win - indeed, I don't see why the ABC side would waste our time with the re-run. If they come up someone and they've something to say other than "I am not Corbyn", we'll have a listen.
The poor, the vulnerable and the working class are screwed...0 -
Ни шагу назад!Slackbladder said:Robert Peston @Peston 1 min1 minute ago
I am told GMB and Unite both about to come out in support of @jeremycorbyn. & they call on Labour MPs to behave as effective opposition
Ho Ho HOOOOO!!!!!
"Not one step back!"0 -
True enoughScrapheap_as_was said:
We all are if Fox is off the menuRobD said:
Whose the net beneficiary? Sounds like Crabb netted more supporters.Scrapheap_as_was said:phew
Tim Bouverie @TimPBouverie · 5m5 minutes ago
I understand that @LiamFoxMP is now not likely to stand for Tory leadership and will back Theresa May. Key Fox supporters gone to Crabb0 -
Purely from a financial point of view, it would be better if Watson did resign to stand. That would enable the two elections, for leader and deputy leader, to be run concurrently rather than one after the other. Party elections aren't cheap, particularly Labour's with its huge numbers of 'supporters' as well as members. Three ballots in 18 months will be a strain on the finances; one Labour could do without if there's a GE in the offing too.NickPalmer said:
Don't think so, really, any more than Corbyn ceases to be Labour leader because a vote of no confidence. If you're elected to something, you stay there until you either choose to resign or someone else is elected to replace you - what else you or others may be doing in the meantime doesn't affect it.RodCrosby said:Surely if Watson challenges Corbyn, he'd have to resign the Deputy Leadership?
"Honourable thing...", and all that.
Nick? Views?
But I note that we're back where we were a year ago that the ABC faction can't make up their minds who or what they actually support. If that continues, Corbyn will win - indeed, I don't see why the ABC side would waste our time with the re-run. If they come up someone and they've something to say other than "I am not Corbyn", we'll have a listen.0 -
have just been asked by colleagues to summarise where we are. My synopsis:
1. None of the big politicians expected a Leave vote. No plans made, no clue about what to do
2. Tories still dripping blood from the large stab wounds wielded by other Tories. Now about to enter bitter leadership contest with the winner announced in nearly 3 months time - until then noone in charge making decisions
3. Labour now pouring with blood from the large stab wounds and beheadings* from their MPs and fundamentalist membership (*Pat Glass beheaded herself). Labour leadership may be decided in 3 months until they noone in charge
4. The Europeans scratching their heads asking what the fuck is it with you people (cf Dutch PM's comments earlier) - the longer that nothing goes on from the noone in charge the worse things will get
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Well, we don't really have a government, so it's probably OK not to have an opposition. It's not as if the Queen's Speech contained anything particularly interesting.welshowl said:
And surely the Oppostion needs to be holding HMG to account properly in the present circumstances? It is a proper function of Opposition, and rightly so. However, our Opposition is making your average student union look like Roosevelt meeting Churchill in comparison.murali_s said:
If Corbyn wins, progressive politics in this country is dead.NickPalmer said:
Don't think so, really, any more than Corbyn ceases to be Labour leader because a vote of no confidence. If you're elected to something, you stay there until you either choose to resign or someone else is elected to replace you - what else you or others may be doing in the meantime doesn't affect it.RodCrosby said:Surely if Watson challenges Corbyn, he'd have to resign the Deputy Leadership?
"Honourable thing...", and all that.
Nick? Views?
But I note that we're back where we were a year ago that the ABC faction can't make up their minds who or what they actually support. If that continues, Corbyn will win - indeed, I don't see why the ABC side would waste our time with the re-run. If they come up someone and they've something to say other than "I am not Corbyn", we'll have a listen.
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Labour MPs have wanted to get rid of Corbyn ever since he was elected by Labour membership. They are just using Brexit as an excuse.Sunil_Prasannan said:I can understand Dave falling on his sword, as the referendum was his baby, thus triggering the Tory Party contest.
But why is there carnage in the Labour Party less than a week after the result?
Poor judgemnet by the rebels who don't have a candidate that can beat Corbyn in a membership election so trying to by-pass democracy.0 -
Have they really managed a major but still botched coup, leaving the vast bulk of Labour MPs in a position of having registered no confidence in their leader?0
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It dawned on me, I've never been on the winning side of a nationwide referendum #PersecutedMinorityRobD said:
How humble of you not to mention your AV qualificationsTheScreamingEagles said:
Historian, classicist, Punmaster-General, polling guru, I'm a modern day polymathMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, more accurate than when you call yourself a historian
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John Rentoul @JohnRentoul · 1m1 minute ago
Also hearing that McDonnell has told Corbyn he wdn't automatically be on the ballot paper, so he, McDonnell, should be the left candidate.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/john-mcdonnell-labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-shadow-cabinet-brexit-eu-referendum-hilary-benn-heidi-a7103981.html
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Surely it'll take just as long with 2 as with, say, 6? All that'll happen is that the members will get slightly longer to choose. The result will still be announced in early September.MarqueeMark said:
If Fox is realising that a run is futile, then it rather suggests a number of the other campaigns won't get off the ground too. We could see a new PM in rather short order.Pong said:
Liam Fox hoped to be in a stronger position right now. He realises he has no chance of making the final ballot and his weak hand is only going to get weaker from now on.TheWhiteRabbit said:What does Liam Fox want from May?
I am slightly concerned, personally.
Theresa would be silly to offer anything concrete.
Unless there's some kind of last minute surprise entry (I'm still holding out for Hammond!) it'll be May v Boris, with both teams hoping to face Crabb - rather than each other - when it goes out to the members.
I'm really looking forward to those Boris v May hustings.0 -
I hope they're deselected. The lot of them.Richard_Nabavi said:Have they really managed a major but still botched coup, leaving the vast bulk of Labour MPs in a position of having registered no confidence in their leader?
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Just as well. There's space for all the "stuff" that will need discussing.John_M said:
Well, we don't really have a government, so it's probably OK not to have an opposition. It's not as if the Queen's Speech contained anything particularly interesting.welshowl said:
And surely the Oppostion needs to be holding HMG to account properly in the present circumstances? It is a proper function of Opposition, and rightly so. However, our Opposition is making your average student union look like Roosevelt meeting Churchill in comparison.murali_s said:
If Corbyn wins, progressive politics in this country is dead.NickPalmer said:
Don't think so, really, any more than Corbyn ceases to be Labour leader because a vote of no confidence. If you're elected to something, you stay there until you either choose to resign or someone else is elected to replace you - what else you or others may be doing in the meantime doesn't affect it.RodCrosby said:Surely if Watson challenges Corbyn, he'd have to resign the Deputy Leadership?
"Honourable thing...", and all that.
Nick? Views?
But I note that we're back where we were a year ago that the ABC faction can't make up their minds who or what they actually support. If that continues, Corbyn will win - indeed, I don't see why the ABC side would waste our time with the re-run. If they come up someone and they've something to say other than "I am not Corbyn", we'll have a listen.
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Event Horizon?MarqueeMark said:
Labour edge closer to the event horizon....Tissue_Price said:@Peston: I am told GMB and Unite both about to come out in support of @jeremycorbyn. & they call on Labour MPs to behave as effective opposition
"Libera te tutemet ex inferis!"0 -
Dan Hodges says the Corbyn Camp is split .
Is it 2-1 or 1-2 ?
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Yes, and he needs to fill his shadow cabinet with a bunch of these traitors.Richard_Nabavi said:Have they really managed a major but still botched coup, leaving the vast bulk of Labour MPs in a position of having registered no confidence in their leader?
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The Rebel Alliance are about to be shown the awesome power of the Death Star....David_Evershed said:
Labour MPs have wanted to get rid of Corbyn ever since he was elected by Labour membership. They are just using Brexit as an excuse.Sunil_Prasannan said:I can understand Dave falling on his sword, as the referendum was his baby, thus triggering the Tory Party contest.
But why is there carnage in the Labour Party less than a week after the result?
Poor judgemnet by the rebels who don't have a candidate that can beat Corbyn in a membership election so trying to by-pass democracy.
(Oh and guys - they've put some chicken wire over those air vents this time.)0 -
Charlie Falconer's untenable positionRochdalePioneers said:have just been asked by colleagues to summarise where we are. My synopsis:
1. None of the big politicians expected a Leave vote. No plans made, no clue about what to do
2. Tories still dripping blood from the large stab wounds wielded by other Tories. Now about to enter bitter leadership contest with the winner announced in nearly 3 months time - until then noone in charge making decisions
3. Labour now pouring with blood from the large stab wounds and beheadings* from their MPs and fundamentalist membership (*Pat Glass beheaded herself). Labour leadership may be decided in 3 months until they noone in charge
4. The Europeans scratching their heads asking what the fuck is it with you people (cf Dutch PM's comments earlier) - the longer that nothing goes on from the noone in charge the worse things will get
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Ha, ha - as if Nick cares :-Dmurali_s said:
If Corbyn wins, progressive politics in this country is dead.NickPalmer said:
Don't think so, really, any more than Corbyn ceases to be Labour leader because a vote of no confidence. If you're elected to something, you stay there until you either choose to resign or someone else is elected to replace you - what else you or others may be doing in the meantime doesn't affect it.RodCrosby said:Surely if Watson challenges Corbyn, he'd have to resign the Deputy Leadership?
"Honourable thing...", and all that.
Nick? Views?
But I note that we're back where we were a year ago that the ABC faction can't make up their minds who or what they actually support. If that continues, Corbyn will win - indeed, I don't see why the ABC side would waste our time with the re-run. If they come up someone and they've something to say other than "I am not Corbyn", we'll have a listen.
The poor, the vulnerable and the working class are screwed...
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Can we get individual CLP markets. Who will be the first to go?Pulpstar said:
I hope they're deselected. The lot of them.Richard_Nabavi said:Have they really managed a major but still botched coup, leaving the vast bulk of Labour MPs in a position of having registered no confidence in their leader?
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raconteur, pop gru, political pundit, film critic, waitrose shopper of the year and all round good egg.TheScreamingEagles said:
Historian, classicist, Punmaster-General, polling guru, I'm a modern day polymathMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, more accurate than when you call yourself a historian
Nearly as impressive as Jezza0 -
How many motions of no confidence did Churchill win? I know he won two in 1942.david_herdson said:
Stalin, 1941?JennyFreeman said:
Sir, you're no Winston ChurchillTheScreamingEagles said:
Churchill, 1940bigjohnowls said:Corbyn has certainly gone up in my estimation over the past few days.
Has any politician ever been put under so much stress and resisted?
Stalin didn't cope very well with stress when Germany invaded in 1941. He disappeared for a few days and resigned, and was then prevailed upon to un-resign.
Corbyn is bearing up well - credit where it's due.
Lol! Два шага вперед, один шаг назад doesn't seem to be an option!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ни шагу назад!Slackbladder said:Robert Peston @Peston 1 min1 minute ago
I am told GMB and Unite both about to come out in support of @jeremycorbyn. & they call on Labour MPs to behave as effective opposition
Ho Ho HOOOOO!!!!!
"Not one step back!"0 -
Et tu Brute!?Scrapheap_as_was said:
Guido Fawkes Retweeted
John Rentoul @JohnRentoul · 1m1 minute ago
Also hearing that McDonnell has told Corbyn he wdn't automatically be on the ballot paper, so he, McDonnell, should be the left candidate.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/john-mcdonnell-labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-shadow-cabinet-brexit-eu-referendum-hilary-benn-heidi-a7103981.html0 -
Or Andy Burnham. Ever.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Even If Corbyn does step down, I'm pretty sure Falconer won't resigndr_spyn said:Fingers in his ear...la...la...la.
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/748162264771989504
May be just gossip.0 -
Your point #4 is a bit too simplistic. There are at least three European blocs at the moment. Sample positions for each:RochdalePioneers said:have just been asked by colleagues to summarise where we are. My synopsis:
1. None of the big politicians expected a Leave vote. No plans made, no clue about what to do
2. Tories still dripping blood from the large stab wounds wielded by other Tories. Now about to enter bitter leadership contest with the winner announced in nearly 3 months time - until then noone in charge making decisions
3. Labour now pouring with blood from the large stab wounds and beheadings* from their MPs and fundamentalist membership (*Pat Glass beheaded herself). Labour leadership may be decided in 3 months until they noone in charge
4. The Europeans scratching their heads asking what the fuck is it with you people (cf Dutch PM's comments earlier) - the longer that nothing goes on from the noone in charge the worse things will get
Have I missed anything out?
- "GTFO Rosbifs, don't let the door bang you on the arse on your way out"
- "OMG wt-OK, let's at least sort the trade deal out"
- "Please don't go! You're abandoning us to the tender mercies of the Frogs and Russkis".0 -
"Ejaculate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances!"MarqueeMark said:
The Rebel Alliance are about to be shown the awesome power of the Death Star....David_Evershed said:
Labour MPs have wanted to get rid of Corbyn ever since he was elected by Labour membership. They are just using Brexit as an excuse.Sunil_Prasannan said:I can understand Dave falling on his sword, as the referendum was his baby, thus triggering the Tory Party contest.
But why is there carnage in the Labour Party less than a week after the result?
Poor judgemnet by the rebels who don't have a candidate that can beat Corbyn in a membership election so trying to by-pass democracy.
(Oh and guys - they've put some chicken wire over those air vents this time.)
- Peter Cushing as Tarkin in "Star Wars", 19770 -
Here's how in denial Labour are right now.
Kevin McGuire just suggested that most of the entryists the Labour Party are currently getting are ANTI-Corbynites.
Just lol.0 -
bloody splitter that stalin.John_N4 said:
How many motions of no confidence did Churchill win? I know he won two in 1942.david_herdson said:
Stalin, 1941?JennyFreeman said:
Sir, you're no Winston ChurchillTheScreamingEagles said:
Churchill, 1940bigjohnowls said:Corbyn has certainly gone up in my estimation over the past few days.
Has any politician ever been put under so much stress and resisted?
Stalin didn't cope very well with stress when Germany invaded in 1941. He disappeared for a few days and resigned, and was then prevailed upon to un-resign.
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He pulled a Farage??John_N4 said:
How many motions of no confidence did Churchill win? I know he won two in 1942.david_herdson said:
Stalin, 1941?JennyFreeman said:
Sir, you're no Winston ChurchillTheScreamingEagles said:
Churchill, 1940bigjohnowls said:Corbyn has certainly gone up in my estimation over the past few days.
Has any politician ever been put under so much stress and resisted?
Stalin didn't cope very well with stress when Germany invaded in 1941. He disappeared for a few days and resigned, and was then prevailed upon to un-resign.
Corbyn is bearing up well - credit where it's due.
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Mr. M, Machiavelli's a clever chap.
Mr. Eagles, you silly sausage.0 -
But where do the voters go?SouthamObserver said:
It stays with the Corbyn side. Not that it matters. Labour is now finished as a serious political party.RochdalePioneers said:Question. Who gets custody of the "Labour" name? The Progress wing or the Momentum wing?
Divorce is now inevitable - just a question of when.
All the parties in the UK seem damaged goods apart from probably the SNP.
Britain seems absolutely ripe right now for a new political force to emerge. Could that be "the Boris Party" if that's what the Tory Party plumps for as leader in September. Or something else?
FWIW, I'm backing Boris for Leader. Sympathies with May, but she's just not box office, and the Tories frankly need to engage bigger and wider to retain power. Boris proved in London he can do that, twice over, and I think he'll also engage with folk who have basically zero interest in politics and don't bother voting. Whether he'll be any good is another matter, but it's all about winning power first and foremost...0 -
Sounds about right.RochdalePioneers said:have just been asked by colleagues to summarise where we are. My synopsis:
1. None of the big politicians expected a Leave vote. No plans made, no clue about what to do
2. Tories still dripping blood from the large stab wounds wielded by other Tories. Now about to enter bitter leadership contest with the winner announced in nearly 3 months time - until then noone in charge making decisions
3. Labour now pouring with blood from the large stab wounds and beheadings* from their MPs and fundamentalist membership (*Pat Glass beheaded herself). Labour leadership may be decided in 3 months until they noone in charge
4. The Europeans scratching their heads asking what the fuck is it with you people (cf Dutch PM's comments earlier) - the longer that nothing goes on from the noone in charge the worse things will get
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Not sure, the original 1922 committee statement seemed to imply it could be quicker if there were fewer candidates and therefore fewer MP rounds.david_herdson said:Surely it'll take just as long with 2 as with, say, 6? All that'll happen is that the members will get slightly longer to choose. The result will still be announced in early September.
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The Labour members, who would prefer a Tory government to a Labour party "led" by anyone but Jeremy Corbyn.DanSmith said:
What's all this "we"?NickPalmer said:
Don't think so, really, any more than Corbyn ceases to be Labour leader because a vote of no confidence. If you're elected to something, you stay there until you either choose to resign or someone else is elected to replace you - what else you or others may be doing in the meantime doesn't affect it.RodCrosby said:Surely if Watson challenges Corbyn, he'd have to resign the Deputy Leadership?
"Honourable thing...", and all that.
Nick? Views?
But I note that we're back where we were a year ago that the ABC faction can't make up their minds who or what they actually support. If that continues, Corbyn will win - indeed, I don't see why the ABC side would waste our time with the re-run. If they come up someone and they've something to say other than "I am not Corbyn", we'll have a listen.
Labour is now finished. later this year or early next, the Tories will win the biggest majority that any party has won since the war and will then dump on millions of ordinary people from a very great height.
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If the Scot Tories are the only main party leading the fight for the union to stay and No still wins they could see another surge. Enough to challenge the SNP for government?Wanderer said:
I'm not sure who would make the No case anyway. The Scottish Conservatives and.... anyone?JackW said:
The economic arguments are clearly significant. However if the EU referendum taught us anything, apart from the "interesting disturbance in polling accuracy", it is that financial arguments, however solidly based sometimes do not always cut through. "Experts" Hhmmm ....DavidL said:The Scottish economy is completely integrated with the UK economy. Any change in that will cause disruptions approximately 8x what the UK is facing at the moment. Given the facts of history and geography there is no way to avoid that.
Wales and Cornwall voted LEAVE despite substantial largesse from the EU. They wanted out and they didn't care. Scotland and the Union may go the same way.0 -
I'm really not sure that is tenable. Just get it over and done with, guys...david_herdson said:
Surely it'll take just as long with 2 as with, say, 6? All that'll happen is that the members will get slightly longer to choose. The result will still be announced in early September.MarqueeMark said:
If Fox is realising that a run is futile, then it rather suggests a number of the other campaigns won't get off the ground too. We could see a new PM in rather short order.Pong said:
Liam Fox hoped to be in a stronger position right now. He realises he has no chance of making the final ballot and his weak hand is only going to get weaker from now on.TheWhiteRabbit said:What does Liam Fox want from May?
I am slightly concerned, personally.
Theresa would be silly to offer anything concrete.
Unless there's some kind of last minute surprise entry (I'm still holding out for Hammond!) it'll be May v Boris, with both teams hoping to face Crabb - rather than each other - when it goes out to the members.
I'm really looking forward to those Boris v May hustings.0 -
A group of Labour MPs have just taken part in a secret ballot for the leadership. They are all perfect logicians -- if a conclusion can be logically deduced, they will do it instantly. No one knows how they voted.
Can the CLP find the traitors ?0 -
Bloody Swiss - can't trust them
Jamie McGeever Verified account
@ReutersJamie
Credit Suisse predicts UK recession with GDP -1.0% next year, Bank of England to slash rates to 0.05% and do £75 billion more QE.
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Remanian Boris vs Brexit May?MarqueeMark said:
If Fox is realising that a run is futile, then it rather suggests a number of the other campaigns won't get off the ground too. We could see a new PM in rather short order.Pong said:
Liam Fox hoped to be in a stronger position right now. He realises he has no chance of making the final ballot and his weak hand is only going to get weaker from now on.TheWhiteRabbit said:What does Liam Fox want from May?
I am slightly concerned, personally.
Theresa would be silly to offer anything concrete.
Unless there's some kind of last minute surprise entry (I'm still holding out for Hammond!) it'll be May v Boris, with both teams hoping to face Crabb - rather than each other - when it goes out to the members.
I'm really looking forward to those Boris v May hustings.0 -
Ooh good means my mortgage will go down a bit.Scrapheap_as_was said:Bloody Swiss - can't trust them
Jamie McGeever Verified account
@ReutersJamie
Credit Suisse predicts UK recession with GDP -1.0% next year, Bank of England to slash rates to 0.05% and do £75 billion more QE.0 -
#MuppetTheScreamingEagles said:
It dawned on me, I've never been on the winning side of a nationwide referendum #PersecutedMinorityRobD said:
How humble of you not to mention your AV qualificationsTheScreamingEagles said:
Historian, classicist, Punmaster-General, polling guru, I'm a modern day polymathMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, more accurate than when you call yourself a historian
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Stalin ordered the execution of the first few folk to report the opening of Operation Barbarossa. This is where we get the phrase "don't shoot the messenger"bigjohnowls said:
bloody splitter that stalin.John_N4 said:
How many motions of no confidence did Churchill win? I know he won two in 1942.david_herdson said:
Stalin, 1941?JennyFreeman said:
Sir, you're no Winston ChurchillTheScreamingEagles said:
Churchill, 1940bigjohnowls said:Corbyn has certainly gone up in my estimation over the past few days.
Has any politician ever been put under so much stress and resisted?
Stalin didn't cope very well with stress when Germany invaded in 1941. He disappeared for a few days and resigned, and was then prevailed upon to un-resign.
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Jeremy isn't a quitter, unlike Nige.RobD said:
He pulled a Farage??John_N4 said:
How many motions of no confidence did Churchill win? I know he won two in 1942.david_herdson said:
Stalin, 1941?JennyFreeman said:
Sir, you're no Winston ChurchillTheScreamingEagles said:
Churchill, 1940bigjohnowls said:Corbyn has certainly gone up in my estimation over the past few days.
Has any politician ever been put under so much stress and resisted?
Stalin didn't cope very well with stress when Germany invaded in 1941. He disappeared for a few days and resigned, and was then prevailed upon to un-resign.
Corbyn is bearing up well - credit where it's due.0 -
DH will definitely be in Corbyns inner circleTGOHF said:Dan Hodges says the Corbyn Camp is split .
Is it 2-1 or 1-2 ?0 -
Scotland could have more power to exercise from Edinburgh under a Brexited UK than it would as an independent nation in the EU!welshowl said:
.....John_M said:
Looking at the stats, Scotland would slot in nicely between Croatia and Slovakia in terms of population and somewhere like 8th in terms of GDP per capita.Lowlander said:
Apparently, Scotland would be the poorest country inSunil_Prasannan said:So, would an "independent" Scotland within the EU be a net contributor, or a net recipient of
taxpayers'EU money?
*innocent face*Europethe World but still be paying the highest per capita contribution to the EU budget.
Unionism is rarely consistent.
4) What exactly would Scotland be joining/staying in? The EU status quo seems unlikely.
a) It might splinter a bit. (Greece? Sweden/Denmark?)
b) It might implode (not much fun getting in a lifeboat with a great big hole in it)
c) It might be a proper United States of Europe. But in that case Scots may wish (or they may not - it's their view to hold not mine) to reflect that they would be swapping being an internally self governing (to quite an extent) province of a country they make up 8% of to being a province in a newly minted multi national (but heavily German influenced) entity which they would make up about 1.1% of, which is about the weight Leeds has in the UK.
Not saying they can't do it, before I'm leapt upon, but food for thought.0 -
Great for the new PM and CoTE - expectations low, a tax cutting budget should get things moving again.Scrapheap_as_was said:Bloody Swiss - can't trust them
Jamie McGeever Verified account
@ReutersJamie
Credit Suisse predicts UK recession with GDP -1.0% next year, Bank of England to slash rates to 0.05% and do £75 billion more QE.0 -
Three logicians walk into a bar.Pulpstar said:A group of Labour MPs have just taken part in a secret ballot for the leadership. They are all perfect logicians -- if a conclusion can be logically deduced, they will do it instantly. No one knows how they voted.
Can the CLP find the traitors ?
"Can I get you fine gentlemen all a drink?" asks the barman.
"I don't know" says the first
"I don't know" says the second
What does the third one say?0 -
Was talking about StalinPulpstar said:
Jeremy isn't a quitter, unlike Nige.RobD said:
He pulled a Farage??John_N4 said:
How many motions of no confidence did Churchill win? I know he won two in 1942.david_herdson said:
Stalin, 1941?JennyFreeman said:
Sir, you're no Winston ChurchillTheScreamingEagles said:
Churchill, 1940bigjohnowls said:Corbyn has certainly gone up in my estimation over the past few days.
Has any politician ever been put under so much stress and resisted?
Stalin didn't cope very well with stress when Germany invaded in 1941. He disappeared for a few days and resigned, and was then prevailed upon to un-resign.
Corbyn is bearing up well - credit where it's due. 0 -
Parliament next Wednesday is going to be awfully fun to watch!
At what point will the Speaker step in, as each Member gets more and more accusatory towards the former PM and his communications director?
*king sized popcorn ordered*0 -
Damn right, I want my winnings from Cameron to go in 2016!MarqueeMark said:
I'm really not sure that is tenable. Just get it over and done with, guys...david_herdson said:
Surely it'll take just as long with 2 as with, say, 6? All that'll happen is that the members will get slightly longer to choose. The result will still be announced in early September.MarqueeMark said:
If Fox is realising that a run is futile, then it rather suggests a number of the other campaigns won't get off the ground too. We could see a new PM in rather short order.Pong said:
Liam Fox hoped to be in a stronger position right now. He realises he has no chance of making the final ballot and his weak hand is only going to get weaker from now on.TheWhiteRabbit said:What does Liam Fox want from May?
I am slightly concerned, personally.
Theresa would be silly to offer anything concrete.
Unless there's some kind of last minute surprise entry (I'm still holding out for Hammond!) it'll be May v Boris, with both teams hoping to face Crabb - rather than each other - when it goes out to the members.
I'm really looking forward to those Boris v May hustings.0 -
Avast and belay, Cap'n Doc! That is so naughty at so many levels.Sunil_Prasannan said:
TSE = Lord HalifaxJennyFreeman said:
Sir, you're no Winston ChurchillTheScreamingEagles said:
Churchill, 1940bigjohnowls said:Corbyn has certainly gone up in my estimation over the past few days.
Has any politician ever been put under so much stress and resisted?0 -
phew again - it's ok to back crabb.. toxic tim isn't behind him
Tim Montgomerie ن @montie · 3m3 minutes ago
Tim Montgomerie ن Retweeted Tim Montgomerie ن
Just to clarify - my earlier Tweet (https://twitter.com/montie/status/748097431200477186 …) was an endorsement of the man, not of his leadership bid. I'm backing Boris.
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Corbyn is just like the IRA, their mantra is No Surrender0
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TSE is Eddie Izzard!MarqueeMark said:
#MuppetTheScreamingEagles said:
It dawned on me, I've never been on the winning side of a nationwide referendum #PersecutedMinorityRobD said:
How humble of you not to mention your AV qualificationsTheScreamingEagles said:
Historian, classicist, Punmaster-General, polling guru, I'm a modern day polymathMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, more accurate than when you call yourself a historian
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Yes. Very true depending on levels of devolution in the UK and integration in a USE.Bob__Sykes said:
Scotland could have more power to exercise from Edinburgh under a Brexited UK than it would as an independent nation in the EU!welshowl said:
.....John_M said:
Looking at the stats, Scotland would slot in nicely between Croatia and Slovakia in terms of population and somewhere like 8th in terms of GDP per capita.Lowlander said:
Apparently, Scotland would be the poorest country inSunil_Prasannan said:So, would an "independent" Scotland within the EU be a net contributor, or a net recipient of
taxpayers'EU money?
*innocent face*Europethe World but still be paying the highest per capita contribution to the EU budget.
Unionism is rarely consistent.
4) What exactly would Scotland be joining/staying in? The EU status quo seems unlikely.
a) It might splinter a bit. (Greece? Sweden/Denmark?)
b) It might implode (not much fun getting in a lifeboat with a great big hole in it)
c) It might be a proper United States of Europe. But in that case Scots may wish (or they may not - it's their view to hold not mine) to reflect that they would be swapping being an internally self governing (to quite an extent) province of a country they make up 8% of to being a province in a newly minted multi national (but heavily German influenced) entity which they would make up about 1.1% of, which is about the weight Leeds has in the UK.
Not saying they can't do it, before I'm leapt upon, but food for thought.0 -
Mr. Eagles, you are Eddie Izzard. 0
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4. We went for a renegotiation. The Europeans told us to "fuck off". Cameron was too polite to take offence. The voters were not. They told the EU to "fuck off yerselves". We are now taking it to the car park, with Frau Merkel shouting "leave it, Jean-Claude, they're not worth it..."RochdalePioneers said:have just been asked by colleagues to summarise where we are. My synopsis:
1. None of the big politicians expected a Leave vote. No plans made, no clue about what to do
2. Tories still dripping blood from the large stab wounds wielded by other Tories. Now about to enter bitter leadership contest with the winner announced in nearly 3 months time - until then noone in charge making decisions
3. Labour now pouring with blood from the large stab wounds and beheadings* from their MPs and fundamentalist membership (*Pat Glass beheaded herself). Labour leadership may be decided in 3 months until they noone in charge
4. The Europeans scratching their heads asking what the fuck is it with you people (cf Dutch PM's comments earlier) - the longer that nothing goes on from the noone in charge the worse things will get
Have I missed anything out?0 -
Springtime for Corbyn, winter for BlairitesSandpit said:Parliament next Wednesday is going to be awfully fun to watch!
At what point will the Speaker step in, as each Member gets more and more accusatory towards the former PM and his communications director?
*king sized popcorn ordered* ? 0 -
Interesting from Jon Craig
Some Labour MPs believe Corbyn clinging on to respond to Chilcot next week, apologise on behalf of Lab & call for Blair war crimes trial.0 -
Boris National PartyBob__Sykes said:
But where do the voters go?SouthamObserver said:
It stays with the Corbyn side. Not that it matters. Labour is now finished as a serious political party.RochdalePioneers said:Question. Who gets custody of the "Labour" name? The Progress wing or the Momentum wing?
Divorce is now inevitable - just a question of when.
All the parties in the UK seem damaged goods apart from probably the SNP.
Britain seems absolutely ripe right now for a new political force to emerge. Could that be "the Boris Party" if that's what the Tory Party plumps for as leader in September. Or something else?
FWIW, I'm backing Boris for Leader. Sympathies with May, but she's just not box office, and the Tories frankly need to engage bigger and wider to retain power. Boris proved in London he can do that, twice over, and I think he'll also engage with folk who have basically zero interest in politics and don't bother voting. Whether he'll be any good is another matter, but it's all about winning power first and foremost...
the letters arent taken are they0
