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I went into the office today for the first time since Thursday and found people very worried about their jobs. And this is in a company that should not (I hope!) be that vulnerable.JosiasJessop said:
It's happening in my (ex-) industry. People are really worried for their jobs, including Mrs J. One small startup has had some funding withdrawn yesterday (although there's always the possibility that might have happened anyway).SeanT said:
Dead Cat Bounce?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Considering most of our politicians are behaving like idiots that does rather nail the were all doomed meme.MarkHopkins said:Good News.
Pressure has eased on UK financial markets after two days of turmoil in the wake of the Brexit vote, with the FTSE 100 share index closing higher.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36648630
Look, I don't want to be the sad, ranting Cassandra in the corner, but day to day movements in the market are nothing compared to the mood music of companies not investing and banks relocating and big infrastructure projects cancelled and all the rest.
It's like looking at the tea leaves, to see your future, when the tea room is possibly burning down.
Confidence is low; no wonder when there have been staff and friends crying because they feel unwelcome.
And n pathetic safe-area cries of 'Wacist!' can change that.0 -
Should the decent Lowland Scots remain part of the SNP tyranny? I say no.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The referendum question was:Lowlander said:
If the UK implements anything which involves freedom of movement, then it will absolutely destroy the Conservatives and in all likelihood will take Labour down with them.SeanT said:This is why we need to move to EEA/Norway NOW. Within months max. Not when the fucking Tories get their new leader in place in 2019, and then decides he doesn't want the single market anyhow.
As AEP said in the Telegraph, Brexit can be fine, indeed good, if we handle it correctly. If it is mishandled it could be disastrous.
I think a Farage government (which would be the outcome) is far more worrying a thought than not being in the EEA.
The decision has been made, the UK voted out to end free movement. Now let's get on with the job of dissolving the UK so we can all move on as separate nations.
"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"0 -
The man is clearly not resigning. Even if his whole shadow team quit I think he'd still be hanging in there.RodCrosby said:
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/747846318282911745RodCrosby said:Chris Ship: Eagle gets the gig...
Utterly pointless. I don't believe it. Others will come forward.0 -
Leader of the Labour Party Jeremy Corbyn MP
Deputy Leader of the Labour Party Tom Watson MP
Treasurer Diana Holland
Opposition Front Bench Rebecca Long-Bailey MP
Opposition Front Bench Angela Eagle MP
Opposition Front Bench Jonathan Ashworth MP
EPLP Leader Glenis Willmott MEP
Young Labour Jasmin Beckett
Div. I - Trade Unions Keith Birch
Div. I - Trade Unions Jim Kennedy
Div. I - Trade Unions Andi Fox
Div. I - Trade Unions Paddy Lillis (Chair)
Div. I - Trade Unions Wendy Nichols
Div. I -Trade Unions Andy Kerr
Div. I - Trade Unions Martin Mayer
Div. I - Trade Unions Mary Turner
Div. I - Trade Unions Jennie Formby
Div. I - Trade Unions Cath Speight
Div. I - Trade Unions Pauline McCarthy
Div. I - Trade Unions Jamie Bramwell
Div. II - Socialist Societies James Asser
Div. II - BAME Labour Keith Vaz MP
Div. III - CLPs Ken Livingstone
Div. III - CLPs Johanna Baxter
Div. III - CLPs Ann Black
Div. III - CLPs Ellie Reeves (Vice Chair)
Div. III - CLPs Christine Shawcroft
Div. III - CLPs Pete Willsman
Div. IV - Labour Councillors Ann Lucas
Div. IV - Labour Councillors Alice Perry
Div. V - PLP/EPLP Margaret Beckett MP
Div. V - PLP/EPLP Dennis Skinner MP
Div. V - PLP/EPLP Shabana Mahmood MP0 -
Depends what the structure of the party is worth in the next election....DanSmith said:What's the better option if you're anti Corbyn.
i) Prevent Corbyn from running and watch him and the unions break from the party.
ii) Let him run, watch him win the election, then 170 MPs break away to form Progressive Labour (or something along those lines).
Probably i but I think the difference would literally be an office, some staff and a database...0 -
People in England voted no to the EU. I couldn't care less about free movement but care about sovereignty and democracy. You can't just will the same purpose onto everybody.Lowlander said:
You Brexit, you bought it.SeanT said:
Who gives a F what you think. Even if Scotland quits we need England and London in the EEA/single market. I suspect economic forces are soon going to make that very clear and apparent to the voters.
England cannot enter the EEA without free movement and the people of England have said NO! I'm not sure what you're missing here. 54% of England voted no and all the evidence points to that being dominated by the desire to end free movement.
The deal is done, you can't wish away the consequences.0 -
The obvious split is into Labour and Co-operative. Not sure if that's doable.0
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The hope will be that the unions start to peel away.numbertwelve said:
The man is clearly not resigning. Even if his whole shadow team quit I think he'd still be hanging in there.RodCrosby said:
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/747846318282911745RodCrosby said:Chris Ship: Eagle gets the gig...
Utterly pointless. I don't believe it. Others will come forward.0 -
Makes you wonder what it was like in Port Talbot - when the EU set its grinning face against any help.0
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If Corbyn is reelected leader by the membership, will we get mass resignations from parliament by Labour MPs?0
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You and others are missing the point. Of course racists already existed. However it seems they think that the vote has legitimised their views.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't forget 'graduates not getting jobzzzz' because we all know they were walking into them before.SeanT said:
Dead Cat Bounce?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Considering most of our politicians are behaving like idiots that does rather nail the were all doomed meme.MarkHopkins said:Good News.
Pressure has eased on UK financial markets after two days of turmoil in the wake of the Brexit vote, with the FTSE 100 share index closing higher.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36648630
Look, I don't want to be the sad, ranting Cassandra in the corner, but day to day movements in the market are nothing compared to the mood music of companies not investing and banks relocating and big infrastructure projects cancelled and all the rest.
It's like looking at the tea leaves, to see your future, when the tea room is possibly burning down.
And the brand new invention of racist dickheads, forged orc like from the bowels of Brexit Middle Earth.
I haven't been reading on here much, but some of the comments on this topic have been rather depressing.
We need everyone to tell racists (and I mean real racists) in all directions that there views are still hideous and illegitimate.
And people should shut up with their 'Waycist!' safe-area cries.0 -
Should Dave have resigned? Or do you think he should have stayed on?TheScreamingEagles said:U.K. Politics in one tweet
This week 80 Tory MPs wrote telling Cameron to stay so he resigned & 170 Labour MPs told Corbyn to go so he's staying. KEEP UP AT THE BACK.0 -
Joining EEA/EFTA could be spun as a temporary measure with a sunset clause after, say, 2021. Those who wish Australian-type immigration could be legitimately reassured it was "the freedom to achieve freedom", and those who don't can at least be reassured that they're not going to lose their house and job tomorrow.Lowlander said:If you want to keep the UK together you need a better idea. The one you have come up with is an utter fantasy which is completely unworkable.
If you can't come up with a viable idea, then it is time to accept the outcome and face up to making the dissolution of the UK as smooth and quick as possible for everyone's economic sake.0 -
Makes you wonder what it was like in Southamption - when the EU laughed as it bribed Ford to move jobs to Turkey.0
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McCluskey won't. Others may be persuadable, though.DanSmith said:
The hope will be that the unions start to peel away.numbertwelve said:
The man is clearly not resigning. Even if his whole shadow team quit I think he'd still be hanging in there.RodCrosby said:
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/747846318282911745RodCrosby said:Chris Ship: Eagle gets the gig...
Utterly pointless. I don't believe it. Others will come forward.
Corbyn Labour will be virulently anti-Trident. That's not popular with the unions. Neither is not having a chance of winning elections.
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You know we have a new caring and decent SeanT on PB when he writes "F" instead of "F*ck" or "Fuck"SeanT said:Who gives a F what you think. Even if Scotland quits we need England and London in the EEA/single market. I suspect economic forces are soon going to make that very clear and apparent to the voters.
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They were always there but they have never felt so empowered as nowLuckyguy1983 said:
Don't forget 'graduates not getting jobzzzz' because we all know they were walking into them before.SeanT said:
Dead Cat Bounce?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Considering most of our politicians are behaving like idiots that does rather nail the were all doomed meme.MarkHopkins said:Good News.
Pressure has eased on UK financial markets after two days of turmoil in the wake of the Brexit vote, with the FTSE 100 share index closing higher.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36648630
Look, I don't want to be the sad, ranting Cassandra in the corner, but day to day movements in the market are nothing compared to the mood music of companies not investing and banks relocating and big infrastructure projects cancelled and all the rest.
It's like looking at the tea leaves, to see your future, when the tea room is possibly burning down.
And the brand new invention of racist dickheads, forged orc like from the bowels of Brexit Middle Earth.0 -
I did see this. It's why I voted Remain. Predictable and Predicted.SeanT said:
These reports are everywhereScott_P said:
Won't need many stories like this for "steady as she goes" to look more attractiveSeanT said:Look, I don't want to be the sad, ranting Cassandra in the corner, but day to day movements in the market are nothing compared to the mood music of companies not investing and banks relocating and big infrastructure projects cancelled and all the rest.
It's like looking at the tea leaves, to see your future, when the tea room is possibly burning down.
@krishgm: neighbour's house sale just fell through with buyers citing Brexit economic fears. Anyone else hearing such things?
http://www.propertyweek.com/news/future-of-22-bishopsgate-uncertain-after-brexit/5083793.article
That was going to be the biggest skyscraper in the City.
I don't understand how pb-ers can't see this. London is seizing up. This is just day five. And it's not going to get better, if the uncertainty prolongs, its going to get worse.
Now of course this is just bankers, horrible moneymen, who cares about London, blah blah, but it provides a huge chunk of our taxes, which might disappear if we aren't careful. And none of this has to happen if Tory politicians can just get a damn grip and confirm we will stay in the single market, for now.
It's actually in the interests of Boris and the Brexiters to say something like this, because they won't have a chance of winning the Tory leadership if, by September, the flames have taken hold and we can all see the fire.0 -
Neither but I would say from their point of view i)DanSmith said:What's the better option if you're anti Corbyn.
i) Prevent Corbyn from running and watch him and the unions break from the party.
ii) Let him run, watch him win the election, then 170 MPs break away to form Progressive Labour (or something along those lines).0 -
Makes you wonder what it was like in Ryton - when the EU with its hand in front of its mouth paid Peugot to move its plant to Slovacia.0
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Steve Radford held his seat in Tuebrook with 78% of the vote in a 6 sided contest!AndyJS said:
They're relatively popular in Liverpool.Lowlander said:
Doesn't the old Liberal party still technically exist?TheScreamingEagles said:I think I might write a thread header headlined
'Is David Cameron the ideal leader for a breakaway SDP Mark 2 party comprising the right wing of the Labour Party, One Nation Tories, and Orange bookers'0 -
2010-15 will be seen as a golden era in Government I reckon.0
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Mr. Pulpstar, by comparison with preceding and succeeding governments, I agree.0
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@Bigjohnowls As the prescient voice of Labour will you be voting for Jeremy or Angela ?0
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I wrote a whole thread header on it that was published on Sunday night. So yes I do believe that. To be honest I should add that it bothers me not one jot if they are destroyed (though I would prefer not to see it befitting UKIP)Lowlander said:
I did say that it was my impression based on the evidence I've seen.Richard_Tyndall said:
They have not said no. They said no to the EU. Anything else is a matter for debate. The polls show there is string support for EFTA membership even when it is explained it would include freedom of movement.Lowlander said:
You Brexit, you bought it.SeanT said:
Who gives a F what you think. Even if Scotland quits we need England and London in the EEA/single market. I suspect economic forces are soon going to make that very clear and apparent to the voters.
England cannot enter the EEA without free movement and the people of England have said NO! I'm not sure what you're missing here. 54% of England voted no and all the evidence points to that being dominated by the desire to end free movement.
The deal is done, you can't wish away the consequences.
Are you really suggesting there is a reasonable argument where the UK can implement EEA membership and freedom of movement without the Tory and Labour parties being destroyed by the Kippers? I don't see how that can happen.
Nor do I care if Scotland gains independence - in fact I would be delighted as it is something I have argued for and campaigned for for a long time.
EFTA or EEA membership makes perfect sense for the UK. In my view as someone not concerned with migration it is an approach with almost no bad points.0 -
With Labour operating an AV system, it's a really poor tactic of those seeking to be rid of Corbyn to seek to put up a single candidate against Corbyn.
A much better move would be for both Watson and Eagle to put up with each calling on their supporters from the outset to put their 2nd preference down for the other. That way the most popular of the two makes it into the final head to head with Corbyn and stands the better chance.
I share the view of others here that Eagle doesn't carry that much appeal, and the fact she came a poor 3rd last year in the deputy contest is telling. It's a big gamble to put everything on the one horse of doubtful pedigree rather than to take an each way bet.0 -
Makes you wonder what it was like in the south coast towns of England, when the EU countries of Germany, Holland and Belgium solved their refugee problem by dumping them on England.0
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Thoughts on joining EFTA:
There are two key differences in EFTA.
Firstly you can initiate a three month restriction or block on free movement if things get out of hand which is renewable.
Secondly you can limit benefits to economic migrants which will deter people coming here to take low paid (by uk standards) jobs.
Not wholly ideal but immigration dosent really get me hot and bothered. We will be free of the ECJ, CAP, CFP and any future such abominations plus we will be able to bin single market regulations for domestic trading.
In any case in five years time when we have free trade agreements with USA, India etc and our economy roars ahead while Europes remains sclerotic and bureaucratically hidebound, if that causes excessive inbound migration from the EUs tens of millions of unemployed, we will be in a much stronger position to either leave EFTA or more likely renegotiate from a position of strength.
Anti immigration types in Labours heartlands wont like it but that will suit the tories as they will defect to UKIP leaving Labour as a London rump.0 -
Any new government that comes in, who is serious about the Northern Powerhouse, should revise the current plan so that we build from the North down, completing the Leeds/Manc/Brum triangle before dropping it South to London.MyBurningEars said:
I don't know a lot about rail infrastructure. I understand there is widespread agreement on increasing capacity. I am also led to understand that a large part of HS2's cost comes from the engineering challenges you face if you want to make the trains really fast.JosiasJessop said:
HS2: it all depends on Euston. It needs doing right, yet just that small area could easily sink billions. I still have not seen anything disproving the need for capacity enhancement, and the utter failure of the WCML upgrade ten years ago shows that capacity is hard to increase on working railways.
Something beyond my ken: if you are faced with budget limitations, and capacity is the main issue, why not just make the trains "quite fast" instead? We are talking about distances much smaller than spanning France or Spain, so the difference between "really fast" and "quite fast" won't translate into that many minutes of journey time, which (to my layman's eyes) doesn't seem to affect the fundamental business plan.
Usually there is something more subtle going on that a know-nothing like me is missing, but it does smell a bit "grand project" and there's rarely much gap between that and a white elephant.
Also, the UK Parliament should be moved to Chester. Or Stoke. I write this as a a Yorkshireman. I'd say York or Leeds but they are overcrowded already.0 -
By that stage it will a total irrelevance if it isn't already.bigjohnowls said:
So you too think Labour Progress will outlive Labour.JohnO said:
Yep, you said it: the Tories will have another 15 years in power and when Labour does reunite (if it survives) it will be on the terms of those who quit now.bigjohnowls said:
Labour splitters have faired worse in the past.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - I think we can all see the working class flocking to support Corbyn Labour's pro open door immigration, pro-IRA, pro-Hamas platform. When you are living in a dump and not earning enough to warm your house in winter solidarity with the Palestinians is what keeps you going.bigjohnowls said:
Progress Labour buggers off and at least 15 years of Tory Governments ensues as left vote is split between Labour and progress Labour until progress Labour gives it up as a bad jobtaffys said:Mr. JS, Corbyn can survive. Not sure about Labour, though.
Mr Morris If Corbyn goes back to the membership, and they confirm him, what on earth happens then?
Looking on the bright side at least we get to find out who was most out of touch with WWC,
I think Progress Lab are in for a shock but we will see.
Maybe the Members will back down
When Lab splits which I now see as very likely.
We will find our if Lab or SDP 2 proves most popular.
You up for a bet when that point is reached?
If the split happens are you up for a bet which of the 2 does best.
As SO and I both say both will lose out but I think Corbyn Lab beats Progress Lab.0 -
Absolutely. You traitor.YellowSubmarine said:
I did see this. It's why I voted Remain. Predictable and Predicted.SeanT said:
These reports are everywhereScott_P said:
Won't need many stories like this for "steady as she goes" to look more attractiveSeanT said:Look, I don't want to be the sad, ranting Cassandra in the corner, but day to day movements in the market are nothing compared to the mood music of companies not investing and banks relocating and big infrastructure projects cancelled and all the rest.
It's like looking at the tea leaves, to see your future, when the tea room is possibly burning down.
@krishgm: neighbour's house sale just fell through with buyers citing Brexit economic fears. Anyone else hearing such things?
http://www.propertyweek.com/news/future-of-22-bishopsgate-uncertain-after-brexit/5083793.article
That was going to be the biggest skyscraper in the City.
I don't understand how pb-ers can't see this. London is seizing up. This is just day five. And it's not going to get better, if the uncertainty prolongs, its going to get worse.
Now of course this is just bankers, horrible moneymen, who cares about London, blah blah, but it provides a huge chunk of our taxes, which might disappear if we aren't careful. And none of this has to happen if Tory politicians can just get a damn grip and confirm we will stay in the single market, for now.
It's actually in the interests of Boris and the Brexiters to say something like this, because they won't have a chance of winning the Tory leadership if, by September, the flames have taken hold and we can all see the fire.
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Given that it was the British government that prevented EU installing anti-dumping tariffs, against the advice of other governments, I think that situation will not change post-Brexit in the UK (but ironically may change for those still in the EU)PAW said:Makes you wonder what it was like in Port Talbot - when the EU set its grinning face against any help.
Additionally, am I correct in thinking that one of the bidders for Port Talbot has now withdrawn due to Brexit?0 -
Go for it. Amongst the new members joining in the last couple of days are Clare Gerada, the former chair of the Royal College of GPs, and Siobhan Bonita, former head of corporate management at the Department of Health and an Independent candidate for Mayor of London in 2012.JosiasJessop said:Oh, and perhaps as a sign of my mental infirmity at the moment, I'm seriously considering joining the LibDems. I considered joining either the Lib Dems or Conservatives after the last GE, but am now leaning heavily towards the LDs.
We need an effective opposition in England and Wales, and Labour's too busy opposing itself atm.
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May be the SNP should make a landgrab again? After all Labour is too busy opposing each otherSimonStClare said:
Would be interesting to see on which side of the house they sit.Scott_P said:It's going to be interesting to see how many Labour MPs turn up for PMQs
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American banks, they are the ones we need to look after now.0
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Danny Blanchflower probably resigned to become the new England football manager.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
@SeanT London property bridging loans:SeanT said:
But it's the contagion. It spreads. This is how confidence collapses. No one wants to risk buying anything, as it could be cheaper next week, or they might not have a job, or their own intended buyer might pull out.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Surely an easy excuse - or indeed a valuable opportunity for people to look hard at some of the biggest financial decisions of their lives. The exception is the top end of the market where I am sure Brexit has a more direct impact.viewcode said:
Yes. Leaving aside my own personal circumstances (which I really don't want to discuss at the mo) a woman in my office who was due to complete on Friday has been informed by her buyers that they are pausing to think about the implications. Whether "pausing" means "not going to proceed" or "hold on a minute, let me think" is not known to me nor her, so this may yet be a hiccup instead of a fallen-thru sale, but it is a source of some concern to the woman in question.Scott_P said:@krishgm: neighbour's house sale just fell through with buyers citing Brexit economic fears. Anyone else hearing such things?
LOAN REPAYMENT x 3
PBL110 - Flat in Redcliffe Square, London
PBL111 - Flat in Viscount Court, 1 Pembridge Villas, London
PBL114 - Flat in Carrington House, Hertford Street, London
Dear xxx,
We have decided not to proceed with the completion of the above loans and return all funds to investors. It is the prudent, sensible and cautious choice for the time being whilst we wait for the dust to settle, given recent events.0 -
Bad Al: "hard to be loyal to someone who runs down the last Labour government as much as he does the Tories"...
"Would be deeply unpatriotic to put a X against Labour while Corbyn is leader"
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I've just this minute joined the Lib Dems. I've not been politically active before, but the referendum and this site have given me the kick up the arse that I was waiting for. I wonder what's in the welcome pack?JosiasJessop said:
I can only hope the Lib Dems are a broad church.OllyT said:
Didn't think I'd ever say this but I am pondering the same but from the ex-Labour direction. I will rejoin for £3 to vote for the next leader but if Corbyn prevails then I'm off.JosiasJessop said:Oh, and perhaps as a sign of my mental infirmity at the moment, I'm seriously considering joining the LibDems. I considered joining either the Lib Dems or Conservatives after the last GE, but am now leaning heavily towards the LDs.
We need an effective opposition in England and Wales, and Labour's too busy opposing itself atm.0 -
So two people here have said, but without a shred of evidence. It remains a wholly baseless media meme.Freggles said:
They were always there but they have never felt so empowered as nowLuckyguy1983 said:
Don't forget 'graduates not getting jobzzzz' because we all know they were walking into them before.SeanT said:
Dead Cat Bounce?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Considering most of our politicians are behaving like idiots that does rather nail the were all doomed meme.MarkHopkins said:Good News.
Pressure has eased on UK financial markets after two days of turmoil in the wake of the Brexit vote, with the FTSE 100 share index closing higher.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36648630
Look, I don't want to be the sad, ranting Cassandra in the corner, but day to day movements in the market are nothing compared to the mood music of companies not investing and banks relocating and big infrastructure projects cancelled and all the rest.
It's like looking at the tea leaves, to see your future, when the tea room is possibly burning down.
And the brand new invention of racist dickheads, forged orc like from the bowels of Brexit Middle Earth.0 -
Hang on in there Jezza!
Reminds me of Boycott:
June 9, 1967. Geoff Boycott remained unbeaten on 246 when England closed their innings at 550 for four at Headingley. The Indians were beaten by six wickets, but Boycott was dropped for his 'selfish batting’. Arunabha Sengupta remembers the infamous crawl on the first day of the match that resulted in spectators leaving the field in hordes at the tea interval.
He scored 17 runs in the first hour and a pathetic eight in the second. There was a 45-minute period during the morning session when he remained scoreless. After lunch, he proceeded to 15 in the third hour and accelerated significantly to register 23 in the fourth. By then, even some diehard fans of his native Yorkshire had had enough. The stands, barely reaching 5000 to begin with, emptied significantly when he retired for tea at 63 not out. And going into the last session, he plodded his way to 21 and 22 in the final two hours.
“I didn’t expect praise for my first-day performance. It was a grim-looking innings and I didn’t need anybody to tell me that. But I had shown that I had the character to stick with it. The alternative was to give my wicket away and return to the anonymity of the dressing room. I was never conscious of the time factor… but when you are in bad nick you never seem to get half-volleys. And when you do play a shot, the ball always seems to hit fielders.”
http://www.cricketcountry.com/articles/england-drop-lsquo-selfish-rsquo-geoff-boycott-after-the-opener-crawls-to-an-unbeaten-246-27653
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I wonder how much weight Con MPs will give the ConHome poll? That could kill several hopefuls before they even begin.0
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Talk about unintended consequences.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I've just this minute joined the Lib Dems. I've not been politically active before, but the referendum and this site have given me the kick up the arse that I was waiting for.JosiasJessop said:
I can only hope the Lib Dems are a broad church.OllyT said:
Didn't think I'd ever say this but I am pondering the same but from the ex-Labour direction. I will rejoin for £3 to vote for the next leader but if Corbyn prevails then I'm off.JosiasJessop said:Oh, and perhaps as a sign of my mental infirmity at the moment, I'm seriously considering joining the LibDems. I considered joining either the Lib Dems or Conservatives after the last GE, but am now leaning heavily towards the LDs.
We need an effective opposition in England and Wales, and Labour's too busy opposing itself atm.
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Surely Corbyn will have to withdraw the whip from many of them.AndyJS said:If Corbyn is reelected leader by the membership, will we get mass resignations from parliament by Labour MPs?
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@DPJHodges: Told "definitely not true" it's been decided Angela Eagle will be the one to run against Corbyn.0
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The Iron Lady would have done her Renegotiation ( better than Dave did ) then imposed it through parliament like a proper conservative.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Mrs May ducked the referendum and flip flopped on her beliefs. Not what Thatcher would have done. May is more of a Rubber Lady than an Iron Lady.anotherDave said:
I don't see how you can distance yourself from Remain/Leave support. It's been a big issue in UK politics for years. The referendum just pushed politicians to publicly pick a side.Andypet said:Is it possible that May could out Brexit Boris? Could she say that her sole reason for remaining was based on security and was predicated on being a full member? If we are not to be a member, then our security is best served by not having free movement.
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I reckon clould be as much as Corbyn 20 anti Corbyn 13 but could be wrongbigjohnowls said:Leader of the Labour Party Jeremy Corbyn MP
Deputy Leader of the Labour Party Tom Watson MP
Treasurer Diana Holland
Opposition Front Bench Rebecca Long-Bailey MP
Opposition Front Bench Angela Eagle MP
Opposition Front Bench Jonathan Ashworth MP
EPLP Leader Glenis Willmott MEP
Young Labour Jasmin Beckett
Div. I - Trade Unions Keith Birch
Div. I - Trade Unions Jim Kennedy
Div. I - Trade Unions Andi Fox
Div. I - Trade Unions Paddy Lillis (Chair)
Div. I - Trade Unions Wendy Nichols
Div. I -Trade Unions Andy Kerr
Div. I - Trade Unions Martin Mayer
Div. I - Trade Unions Mary Turner
Div. I - Trade Unions Jennie Formby
Div. I - Trade Unions Cath Speight
Div. I - Trade Unions Pauline McCarthy
Div. I - Trade Unions Jamie Bramwell
Div. II - Socialist Societies James Asser
Div. II - BAME Labour Keith Vaz MP
Div. III - CLPs Ken Livingstone
Div. III - CLPs Johanna Baxter
Div. III - CLPs Ann Black
Div. III - CLPs Ellie Reeves (Vice Chair)
Div. III - CLPs Christine Shawcroft
Div. III - CLPs Pete Willsman
Div. IV - Labour Councillors Ann Lucas
Div. IV - Labour Councillors Alice Perry
Div. V - PLP/EPLP Margaret Beckett MP
Div. V - PLP/EPLP Dennis Skinner MP
Div. V - PLP/EPLP Shabana Mahmood MP
Corbyn 17/16 if 3 CLP members decide to disenfranchise Lab CLP members.
Is Ken still suspended?0 -
A successful oaf.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. JS, Farage is an oaf.
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Patriotism is the last resort of Al Campbell.RodCrosby said:Bad Al: "hard to be loyal to someone who runs down the last Labour government as much as he does the Tories"...
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He won't win, May will. Even if he does we will stay in EFTA. Even if we did leave it long term, leaving it now is too far too fast.SeanT said:
Of course, of course, of course, but then why are supposedly clever Tories like Rees Mogg and Bojo saying we won't be in the single market?Paul_Bedfordshire said:Thoughts on joining EFTA:
There are two key differences in EFTA.
Firstly you can initiate a three month restriction or block on free movement if things get out of hand which is renewable.
Secondly you can limit benefits to economic migrants which will deter people coming here to take low paid (by uk standards) jobs.
Not wholly ideal but immigration dosent really get me hot and bothered. We will be free of the ECJ, CAP, CFP and any future such abominations plus we will be able to bin single market regulations for domestic trading.
In any case in five years time when we have free trade agreements with USA, India etc and our economy roars ahead while Europes remains sclerotic and bureaucratically hidebound, if that causes excessive inbound migration from the EUs tens of millions of unemployed, we will be in a much stronger position to either leave EFTA or more likely renegotiate from a position of strength.
Anti immigration types in Labours heartlands wont like it but that will suit the tories as they will defect to UKIP leaving Labour as a London rump.
Mind-boggling stupidity.0 -
CRIED OFFTissue_Price said:@DPJHodges: Told "definitely not true" it's been decided Angela Eagle will be the one to run against Corbyn.
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I think the implication is that she & Tom haven't settled it yet.bigjohnowls said:
CRIED OFFTissue_Price said:@DPJHodges: Told "definitely not true" it's been decided Angela Eagle will be the one to run against Corbyn.
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Angela Eagle does not have a 33% chance of becoming the next labour leader.
She has a chance, but that chance is not 33%.0 -
Mr. Enjineeya, not a member of any party myself, but good for you. The more political engagement the better.0
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Yes, we could see the ludicrous situation where May is the Leave candidate and Boris the Remain candidateAndypet said:Is it possible that May could out Brexit Boris? Could she say that her sole reason for remaining was based on security and was predicated on being a full member? If we are not to be a member, then our security is best served by not having free movement.
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The Whips have already withdrawn from him, I understand...SouthamObserver said:
Surely Corbyn will have to withdraw the whip from many of them.AndyJS said:If Corbyn is reelected leader by the membership, will we get mass resignations from parliament by Labour MPs?
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lolPulpstar said:@Bigjohnowls As the prescient voice of Labour will you be voting for Jeremy or Angela ?
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Judging by his two terms in charge of London, exceedingly well. Missing him already.Pulpstar said:0 -
If Corbyn got 44 votes today, surely he has at least a sporting chance of getting 35 MP nominations anyway.
OK, today's vote was on a slightly different subject - but he has some leeway - needing 35 of the 44 to stick with him.0 -
JosiasJessop said:
It's happening in my (ex-) industry. People are really worried for their jobs, including Mrs J. One small startup has had some funding withdrawn yesterday (although there's always the possibility that might have happened anyway).SeanT said:
Dead Cat Bounce?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Considering most of our politicians are behaving like idiots that does rather nail the were all doomed meme.MarkHopkins said:Good News.
Pressure has eased on UK financial markets after two days of turmoil in the wake of the Brexit vote, with the FTSE 100 share index closing higher.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36648630
Look, I don't want to be the sad, ranting Cassandra in the corner, but day to day movements in the market are nothing compared to the mood music of companies not investing and banks relocating and big infrastructure projects cancelled and all the rest.
It's like looking at the tea leaves, to see your future, when the tea room is possibly burning down.
Confidence is low; no wonder when there have been staff and friends crying because they feel unwelcome.
And n pathetic safe-area cries of 'Wacist!' can change that.
Don't worry, we've still got the happy-clappys led by Plato et al telling us it is all going to be spiffing0 -
Thanks, Mr. Dancer!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Enjineeya, not a member of any party myself, but good for you. The more political engagement the better.
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Even now, the Labour party hasn't got a clue how to get rid of its leader.
Haven't they watched from over the fence how ruthless the Tories are in this regard....0 -
Welcome. You get a pretty little lapel badge and a choice of membership card designs. What more can you ask?FeersumEnjineeya said:
I've just this minute joined the Lib Dems. I've not been politically active before, but the referendum and this site have given me the kick up the arse that I was waiting for. I wonder what's in the welcome pack?JosiasJessop said:
I can only hope the Lib Dems are a broad church.OllyT said:
Didn't think I'd ever say this but I am pondering the same but from the ex-Labour direction. I will rejoin for £3 to vote for the next leader but if Corbyn prevails then I'm off.JosiasJessop said:Oh, and perhaps as a sign of my mental infirmity at the moment, I'm seriously considering joining the LibDems. I considered joining either the Lib Dems or Conservatives after the last GE, but am now leaning heavily towards the LDs.
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Fer fucksake Having to Lay and then reback Tom here.Tissue_Price said:
I think the implication is that she & Tom haven't settled it yet.bigjohnowls said:
CRIED OFFTissue_Price said:@DPJHodges: Told "definitely not true" it's been decided Angela Eagle will be the one to run against Corbyn.
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@SkyNews: Visa could relocate hundreds of British jobs to Europe following EU referendum: Sky sources https://t.co/cXfYGoay7X https://t.co/VCE9FtDmLI
I thought Project Fear was over?0 -
The Liberal Democrat President, Sal Brinton, said:
Labour are imploding. Whilst Corbyn’s MPs have voted for him to leave and for them to take control, he plans to limp on.
With every day that passes this internal chaos hurts the most vulnerable, the poorest and those who are voiceless. The Liberal Democrats will continue to work to fill the vacuum and hold this government to account.
no laughing at the back...
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Perhaps they don't want us in the single market? If they have a clear position, I'm sure it will come out during the Con leader contest.SeanT said:
Of course, of course, of course, but then why are supposedly clever Tories like Rees Mogg and Bojo saying we won't be in the single market?Paul_Bedfordshire said:Thoughts on joining EFTA:
There are two key differences in EFTA.
Firstly you can initiate a three month restriction or block on free movement if things get out of hand which is renewable.
Secondly you can limit benefits to economic migrants which will deter people coming here to take low paid (by uk standards) jobs.
Not wholly ideal but immigration dosent really get me hot and bothered. We will be free of the ECJ, CAP, CFP and any future such abominations plus we will be able to bin single market regulations for domestic trading.
In any case in five years time when we have free trade agreements with USA, India etc and our economy roars ahead while Europes remains sclerotic and bureaucratically hidebound, if that causes excessive inbound migration from the EUs tens of millions of unemployed, we will be in a much stronger position to either leave EFTA or more likely renegotiate from a position of strength.
Anti immigration types in Labours heartlands wont like it but that will suit the tories as they will defect to UKIP leaving Labour as a London rump.
Mind-boggling stupidity.0 -
"BMW Steyr plant gets state aid. The European Commission has given the thumbs-up to..."0
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I must say I am much heartened by the news of 8,000 new LibDem members. Business at Auchentennach Fine Pies is looking up.FeersumEnjineeya said:I've just this minute joined the Lib Dems. I've not been politically active before, but the referendum and this site have given me the kick up the arse that I was waiting for. I wonder what's in the welcome pack?
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You're not the only one.Pulpstar said:
Fer fucksake Having to Lay and then reback Tom here.Tissue_Price said:
I think the implication is that she & Tom haven't settled it yet.bigjohnowls said:
CRIED OFFTissue_Price said:@DPJHodges: Told "definitely not true" it's been decided Angela Eagle will be the one to run against Corbyn.
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I doubt that would work, for many reasons. Not the least of which is that the plans for the London to Birmingham section are probably two or three years ahead of those for the northern sections. And this occurred because the major reasons for doing it are capacity constraints on the southern section.pbr2013 said:
Any new government that comes in, who is serious about the Northern Powerhouse, should revise the current plan so that we build from the North down, completing the Leeds/Manc/Brum triangle before dropping it South to London.MyBurningEars said:
I don't know a lot about rail infrastructure. I understand there is widespread agreement on increasing capacity. I am also led to understand that a large part of HS2's cost comes from the engineering challenges you face if you want to make the trains really fast.JosiasJessop said:
HS2: it all depends on Euston. It needs doing right, yet just that small area could easily sink billions. I still have not seen anything disproving the need for capacity enhancement, and the utter failure of the WCML upgrade ten years ago shows that capacity is hard to increase on working railways.
Something beyond my ken: if you are faced with budget limitations, and capacity is the main issue, why not just make the trains "quite fast" instead? We are talking about distances much smaller than spanning France or Spain, so the difference between "really fast" and "quite fast" won't translate into that many minutes of journey time, which (to my layman's eyes) doesn't seem to affect the fundamental business plan.
Usually there is something more subtle going on that a know-nothing like me is missing, but it does smell a bit "grand project" and there's rarely much gap between that and a white elephant.
(snip)
Also, HS3 (or whatever they're calling it) might cause the plans for the northern section to be slightly altered. It'd be good if HS2's northern branches and HS3 actually complemented each other. It'd be (literal) joined-up thinking.
(ISTR they've done this at a stations on Crossrail (Tottenham Court Road?) where it has been constructed to allow Crossrail 2 later without causing as much inconvenience to passengers - passive provision)0 -
shares soaringScott_P said:@SkyNews: Visa could relocate hundreds of British jobs to Europe following EU referendum: Sky sources https://t.co/cXfYGoay7X https://t.co/VCE9FtDmLI
I thought Project Fear was over?0 -
This is Project Don't Even Think About Ditching Freedom Of Movement.Scott_P said:@SkyNews: Visa could relocate hundreds of British jobs to Europe following EU referendum: Sky sources https://t.co/cXfYGoay7X https://t.co/VCE9FtDmLI
I thought Project Fear was over?0 -
Worse than that tweet last night ?Tissue_Price said:
You're not the only one.Pulpstar said:
Fer fucksake Having to Lay and then reback Tom here.Tissue_Price said:
I think the implication is that she & Tom haven't settled it yet.bigjohnowls said:
CRIED OFFTissue_Price said:@DPJHodges: Told "definitely not true" it's been decided Angela Eagle will be the one to run against Corbyn.
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When's the EU going to relocate you? Can't wait.Scott_P said:@SkyNews: Visa could relocate hundreds of British jobs to Europe following EU referendum: Sky sources https://t.co/cXfYGoay7X https://t.co/VCE9FtDmLI
I thought Project Fear was over?0 -
Well there definitely is a huge vacuum to be filled by a third party.SimonStClare said:The Liberal Democrat President, Sal Brinton, said:
Labour are imploding. Whilst Corbyn’s MPs have voted for him to leave and for them to take control, he plans to limp on.
With every day that passes this internal chaos hurts the most vulnerable, the poorest and those who are voiceless. The Liberal Democrats will continue to work to fill the vacuum and hold this government to account.
no laughing at the back...
Unfortunately for the Libs, they are no longer a third party.0 -
Breaking news : the world may end if a massive asteroid hits the Earth following Brexit.
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It's early to get data but here you go: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/27/europe/racist-attacks-post-brexit/Luckyguy1983 said:
So two people here have said, but without a shred of evidence. It remains a wholly baseless media meme.Freggles said:
They were always there but they have never felt so empowered as nowLuckyguy1983 said:
Don't forget 'graduates not getting jobzzzz' because we all know they were walking into them before.SeanT said:
Dead Cat Bounce?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Considering most of our politicians are behaving like idiots that does rather nail the were all doomed meme.MarkHopkins said:Good News.
Pressure has eased on UK financial markets after two days of turmoil in the wake of the Brexit vote, with the FTSE 100 share index closing higher.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36648630
Look, I don't want to be the sad, ranting Cassandra in the corner, but day to day movements in the market are nothing compared to the mood music of companies not investing and banks relocating and big infrastructure projects cancelled and all the rest.
It's like looking at the tea leaves, to see your future, when the tea room is possibly burning down.
And the brand new invention of racist dickheads, forged orc like from the bowels of Brexit Middle Earth.0 -
Sunil_Prasannan said:
"And by 'country', we mean a sovereign state that's a member of the UN in its own right."nunu said:
They see Scotland as a region of the U.K not a country.GIN1138 said:
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TGOHF said:
Kay Burley@KayBurley 9m9 minutes ago
BREAK: President of European council, Tusk, tells Sturgeon he's not interested in meeting her tomorrow
The eurocrats can't snub lovely Nicola like this!
- Richard Osman, Pointless
Do they broadcast Pointless in Scotland?
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No, I've made a profit on this one! Still got a useless £6k green on Sajid though...TheScreamingEagles said:
Worse than that tweet last night ?Tissue_Price said:
You're not the only one.Pulpstar said:
Fer fucksake Having to Lay and then reback Tom here.Tissue_Price said:
I think the implication is that she & Tom haven't settled it yet.bigjohnowls said:
CRIED OFFTissue_Price said:@DPJHodges: Told "definitely not true" it's been decided Angela Eagle will be the one to run against Corbyn.
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bigjohnowls said:
Sounds great.Scott_P said:@paulwaugh: It's war, now. If Corbyn wins 2nd mandate, mandatory reselection of MPs, recall + more power for members all planned
https://t.co/NhvzFccCw3
How could any supporter of democracy not like that.
Lab splitters not so much!
Bravado, if Corbyn wins again it's going to be a very hollow victory, it will be all over for Labour for decades if not for ever, matters little whether they split or not.0 -
John do you acknowledge that there are people in the labour party who are neither Corbynites nor right-wing Blairites?bigjohnowls said:
CRIED OFFTissue_Price said:@DPJHodges: Told "definitely not true" it's been decided Angela Eagle will be the one to run against Corbyn.
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@MirrorPolitics: Liz McInnes, who voted FOR Corbyn in today's vote - has resigned from his front bench. https://t.co/m68x9iTBgS https://t.co/1OabmQv0iJ0
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Easyjet to move HQ out of UK - CEO0
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I would say if those were the 3 candidates
Eagle is your Kendall
Watson is your Mrs Balls
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Remain did win 16m+ votes, which is more than any party has ever done. Now, granted, a lot of it might have been grudging support but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.Danny565 said:
Again, the irony is that an SDP v2 would be based exactly on the principles behind the "Remain" campaign -- the campaign that just got hammered by the voters.bigjohnowls said:
Labour splitters have faired worse in the past.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - I think we can all see the working class flocking to support Corbyn Labour's pro open door immigration, pro-IRA, pro-Hamas platform. When you are living in a dump and not earning enough to warm your house in winter solidarity with the Palestinians is what keeps you going.bigjohnowls said:
Progress Labour buggers off and at least 15 years of Tory Governments ensues as left vote is split between Labour and progress Labour until progress Labour gives it up as a bad jobtaffys said:Mr. JS, Corbyn can survive. Not sure about Labour, though.
Mr Morris If Corbyn goes back to the membership, and they confirm him, what on earth happens then?
Looking on the bright side at least we get to find out who was most out of touch with WWC,
I think Progress Lab are in for a shock but we will see.
Maybe the Members will back down
When Lab splits which I now see as very likely.
We will find our if Lab or SDP 2 proves most popular.
You up for a bet when that point is reached?
For all the Labour moderates' asserting (without evidence) that they know how to win elections, their mixture of economic conservatism/cultural liberalism has never been less popular with the country.0 -
Bottler !Scott_P said:@MirrorPolitics: Liz McInnes, who voted FOR Corbyn in today's vote - has resigned from his front bench. https://t.co/m68x9iTBgS https://t.co/1OabmQv0iJ
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This is from March:
"Leaked list ranks Labour MPs by “hostility” to Corbyn"
http://labourlist.org/2016/03/leaked-list-ranks-labour-mps-by-hostility-to-corbyn/0 -
Snigger ye not - Liberal Democrats are a mighty resilient bunch They've been here before and didn't do a bad job in government with the Tories. In fact many of the legacies that Cameron can look back to were Lib Dem policiesSimonStClare said:The Liberal Democrat President, Sal Brinton, said:
Labour are imploding. Whilst Corbyn’s MPs have voted for him to leave and for them to take control, he plans to limp on.
With every day that passes this internal chaos hurts the most vulnerable, the poorest and those who are voiceless. The Liberal Democrats will continue to work to fill the vacuum and hold this government to account.
no laughing at the back...0 -
Are we now living the end of western political civilisation, as predicted by the President of the EU Council, Tusk if we voted to LEAVE the EU?
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City of London asks Britain to cry for it. Good luck with that.0
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Depends whether they ask Nick Soames or Eric Pickles or both.anotherDave said:I wonder how much weight Con MPs will give the ConHome poll?
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Easy come. Easy go.surbiton said:Easyjet to move HQ out of UK - CEO
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