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It may not be that simple...daodao said:It is in the interests of the EU to hold a metaphorical pistol to the head of the PM today, and force him to state in a minuted meeting of heads of state that the UK has decided to leave, which can be taken as having invoked A50.
" In our constitution, Parliament gets to make this decision, not the Prime Minister."
https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/06/27/nick-barber-tom-hickman-and-jeff-king-pulling-the-article-50-trigger-parliaments-indispensable-role/
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I did say before the referendum that I thought leave would win, but that I was not so sure we would actually end up leaving. It's worth remembering, though, that as we voted Leave the "concessions" that Cameron won have now been cancelled, so we would stay on our old terms - unless a new deal was agreed.
As for Labour, the choice is now a very simple one: do Labour members stick with Corbyn and kill the party or do they accept that a leader who has lost the support of the overwhelming of his MPs is no longer a viable option? I know which way they'll go. Goodbye Labour party.0 -
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The mind boggleskle4 said:
Long enough to still be layed, or is it time to lay May then?HYUFD said:
Boris was the early favourite, he just lasted about 1 day!Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.0 -
Parliament is superior to the PM, but the people are superior to Parliament.Gadfly said:
It may not be that simple...daodao said:It is in the interests of the EU to hold a metaphorical pistol to the head of the PM today, and force him to state in a minuted meeting of heads of state that the UK has decided to leave, which can be taken as having invoked A50.
" In our constitution, Parliament gets to make this decision, not the Prime Minister."
https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/06/27/nick-barber-tom-hickman-and-jeff-king-pulling-the-article-50-trigger-parliaments-indispensable-role/
And the people have spoken.0 -
Well, I think it's time for a lovely bowl of Sovereignty for breakfast...
@guardian: UK loses triple-A credit rating after Brexit vote https://t.co/pZZ8F3ZwIY0 -
Lesson to world. Don't F*** about with the people of Britain. Didn't 1940 teach you anything?AlastairMeeks said:0 -
illiberal, proven failure, uninspiring.JackW said:safe, experienced and calm
May is a far scarier prospect (I'm not a supporter of either)0 -
That applies equally to the Brexit decision.kle4 said:
It's progress. To end things, sacrifices must be made. Including principles and dignity if needs be.Bob__Sykes said:
I don't know who should be more disgusted by the sight of McGuinness shaking the Queen's hand and making smalltalk - HMQ, McGuinness himself, or those of us having to watch it?!TheScreamingEagles said:
Is that a dig by Her Majesty at the IRA's attempts to kill her family?YellowSubmarine said:This is quite funny. < https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/747552543631282176?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Epic trolling your Majesty
HMQ has got dog whistling down to a fine art lately though0 -
.. in as much that they have someone just as bad if not worse to lead them?JackW said:Although not a Conservative member should the choice come down to Theresa May or Boris Johnson then the former is the overwhelming better option as PM. The nation requires a safe, experienced and calm pair of hands at the helm as the ship of state navigates the choppy waters ahead.
What we most assuredly do not require is the high wire act that Boris represents let alone the total humiliation of the French laughing at the UK from dawn to dusk.0 -
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.0 -
Best make do with it whilst we can, next year all we'll be thankful for gruel ;-(Scott_P said:Well, I think it's time for a lovely bowl of Sovereignty for breakfast...
@guardian: UK loses triple-A credit rating after Brexit vote https://t.co/pZZ8F3ZwIY0 -
Scott_P said:
@vaughansalway: England result popular in Brussels last night. One table of English city types told by irate local to "get out, go home". Oh the irony.
Oh yes and of course thats not in your view racist or xenophobic ? I was in Brussels 3 weeks ago and also Paris over this period and was treated with respect and total decorum precisely how I treated anybody I met.Scott_P said:@vaughansalway: England result popular in Brussels last night. One table of English city types told by irate local to "get out, go home". Oh the irony.
You have really turned yourself into an utter total PB twat. Of course you were always were.
You fucking lost get over it. I have.
You are nothing less than a spoilt child with the terrible twos and no end of pasted tweets will make any difference0 -
In the last few days Boris has lost any respect I had for him - and I respected him a lot - by his attitude to LEAVE actually winning the Ref. He looks like a man who, having his greatest desire within reach, is suddenly afraid of the task ahead, and wishes this was January and the whole episode had never happened.
He'll have to do a hell of a lot to overcome his present attitude, if ever.0 -
Again? We lost it before remember, just after Osborne made prorecting it a plank of his ChancellorshipScott_P said:Well, I think it's time for a lovely bowl of Sovereignty for breakfast...
@guardian: UK loses triple-A credit rating after Brexit vote https://t.co/pZZ8F3ZwIY0 -
The EU won't be bothered with the niceties of the UK's unwritten constitution.Gadfly said:
It may not be that simple...daodao said:It is in the interests of the EU to hold a metaphorical pistol to the head of the PM today, and force him to state in a minuted meeting of heads of state that the UK has decided to leave, which can be taken as having invoked A50.
" In our constitution, Parliament gets to make this decision, not the Prime Minister."
https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/06/27/nick-barber-tom-hickman-and-jeff-king-pulling-the-article-50-trigger-parliaments-indispensable-role/0 -
A Belgian woman in our marketing team was told to "Fuck off home you Polack" at the weekend. And she's not even Polish.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.
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I've just ordered Bonnie Tyler's Goalkeeping Blunders Vol 2. It's just totally clips of Joe Hart.0
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Xenephobic didnt scare the horses enough and half the people hearing it thought he was talking about his Greek brother in lawAndyJS said:Interesting how "racist" now seems to be used as a synonym for "xenophobic". If an English person attacks a Scottish person it can seemingly be described as "racist" even though most English and Scottish people are the same race, white Europeans. Not sure when this change in language happened.
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You're right that the campaigns were disgusting (on both sides, to be fair), and we are where we are.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.
It's sad that a small but vocal minority of idiots are hijacking the result for their own ends, so as @Patrick says we all need to go and hug our friends and colleagues, make sure they know that they are not unwanted and that Britian is still a welcoming place.0 -
Boom tish.SouthamObserver said:I've just ordered Bonnie Tyler's Goalkeeping Blunders Vol 2. It's just totally clips of Joe Hart.
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Very good Sir, up there with @TSE's eighties music puns.SouthamObserver said:I've just ordered Bonnie Tyler's Goalkeeping Blunders Vol 2. It's just totally clips of Joe Hart.
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Now, it seems obvious that a new PM will have to sign it straight away. But if they do go for a GE - which everyone thinks quite likely - won't it occur to them not to sign it until after? The UK may still be better off waiting, and why put your name to it if you might not win the GE?logical_song said:
Important bit is he sees our FINAL say as being at a GE.YellowSubmarine said:
A good spot. Of course he says we'll leave. It's just he sets out a number of irreconcilable conditions that all have to be met first and slips in we won't have left by the next scheduled GE in nearly 4 years time. He end end uses ' leave ' in inverted commas. Let me translate for you. " We can ' leave ' if we get the Financial Services Passport to save the City of London. Unfortunately that's impossible without jetisoning all the racist **** that was sold to the North. So best we leave it to a parliamentary election when we can safely shaft Labour voters in Bootle. "Dadge said:
Read the end of Mark Field's statement and weep, Brexiters http://markfieldmp.com/news-a-articles/to-those-constituents-demanding-a-second-referendum/nunu said:rottenborough said:
Yeh, right.nunu said:
Calm down. He said "Britain must and will leave".williamglenn said:
And no Article 50.rottenborough said:Hunt: 2nd referendum:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/tory-cabinet-minister-calls-for-second-referendum-on-terms-of-eu/
Outstanding!
How much do u wanna bet we will be gone by 1st Jan 2019?rottenborough said:
Yeh, right.nunu said:
Calm down. He said "Britain must and will leave".williamglenn said:
And no Article 50.rottenborough said:Hunt: 2nd referendum:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/tory-cabinet-minister-calls-for-second-referendum-on-terms-of-eu/
Outstanding!
Mr Hunt says: “We must not invoke Article 50 straight away because that puts a time limit of two years on negotiations after which we could be thrown out with no deal at all. So before setting the clock ticking, we need to negotiate a deal and put it to the British people, either in a referendum or through the Conservative manifesto at a fresh General Election.”
I don't see how that would work unless the GE is next year.0 -
Really? That's sad, has the result really empowered all the morons in England? I'm heading back home for a bit next month, hope things have calmed down somewhat by then.SouthamObserver said:
A Belgian woman in our marketing team was told to "Fuck off home you Polack" at the weekend. And she's not even Polish.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.0 -
Hard to know where to actually tell her where to Fuck Off to as Belgium is only a pretendy country.SouthamObserver said:
A Belgian woman in our marketing team was told to "Fuck off home you Polack" at the weekend. And she's not even Polish.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.0 -
Surely xenophobia is a strong dislike of Xenophon?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Xenephobic didnt scare the horses enough and half the people hearing it thought he was talking about his Greek brother in lawAndyJS said:Interesting how "racist" now seems to be used as a synonym for "xenophobic". If an English person attacks a Scottish person it can seemingly be described as "racist" even though most English and Scottish people are the same race, white Europeans. Not sure when this change in language happened.
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Every now and then we need to be reminded that politicians aren't automata.AndyJS said:It's difficult not to be moved by this:
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@Independent: Nigel Evans says idea that Brexit will bring immigration down is a 'misunderstanding' https://t.co/B0YJaN8iUi
@jimwaterson: Farage says he's worried voters are about to be let down by Vote Leave elites. Here's yer great betrayal narrative. https://t.co/cpLgPzDbCl
Where are the cheering Brexiteers "dancing in their underwear" this morning?
You won, remember?0 -
Why are you not condemning this blatently racist behaviour with the same enthusiasm that you condemn such behaviour in uk? That is a hate crime and it would appear to me that you find it amusing.Scott_P said:@vaughansalway: England result popular in Brussels last night. One table of English city types told by irate local to "get out, go home". Oh the irony.
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Yes v good and as a bonus we don't have to hear any more about that bunch of overpaid footballers who always disappoint.Sandpit said:
Very good Sir, up there with @TSE's eighties music puns.SouthamObserver said:I've just ordered Bonnie Tyler's Goalkeeping Blunders Vol 2. It's just totally clips of Joe Hart.
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I'd be interested to hear from the 1% of people who voted leave who think osborne would be the best PM. did they tick the wrong box on thursday?0
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Osborne is much maligned. History will be kinder to him.paulyork64 said:I'd be interested to hear from the 1% of people who voted leave who think osborne would be the best PM. did they tick the wrong box on thursday?
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The only disappointment to me is that I can't make any more money from TSE's golden betting rule this tournament.SquareRoot said:
Yes v good and as a bonus we don't have to hear any more about that bunch of overpaid footballers who always disappoint.Sandpit said:
Very good Sir, up there with @TSE's eighties music puns.SouthamObserver said:I've just ordered Bonnie Tyler's Goalkeeping Blunders Vol 2. It's just totally clips of Joe Hart.
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Sky reporting that Jeremy Hunt is to stand. He is currently available at 33/1+ with a wide range (80/1 with BoyleSports if you trust what to me is an unknown quantity).
I don't expect him to win and I think his position on the EU is daft but as a candidate his odds would surely shorten from those prices.0 -
Alan Shearer says Iceland has more volcanoes than professional footballers.
In fairness, our professional footballers also resemble our volcanoes. Huge lumps in the landscape, good to look at and haven't done anything useful for 50 million years.0 -
of course it is and HMG did bugger all about it.Scott_P said:This is just depressing
@AlbertoNardelli: We Visited The Town Where 75.6% Of People Voted To Leave The EU https://t.co/aqKEubM5x6
“Around Boston, [it has] changed a lot now because people don’t seem friendly no more. The community has changed and we’ve had enough. They take our jobs, they take our shops, our NHS, they take our dentists, they take our doctors, the houses for council, and we’ve had enough.”0 -
Neville Chamberlain thought the same. Remind me, how did that work out?SquareRoot said:
Osborne is much maligned. History will be kinder to him.paulyork64 said:I'd be interested to hear from the 1% of people who voted leave who think osborne would be the best PM. did they tick the wrong box on thursday?
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It isn't a welcoming place though.Sandpit said:
You're right that the campaigns were disgusting (on both sides, to be fair), and we are where we are.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.
It's sad that a small but vocal minority of idiots are hijacking the result for their own ends, so as @Patrick says we all need to go and hug our friends and colleagues, make sure they know that they are not unwanted and that Britian is still a welcoming place.
Britain just voted explicitly to stop people like her coming and settling here.0 -
Yes, they are in a bit of a pickle, aren't they? Especially as many of the Tory leavers will be more connected with the words of small and big business than the wwc leave voters. What a stroke of luck that the opposition chose just this moment to tear itself apart.Indigo said:
Where as ignoring the clearly expressed will of the public in a 72% turnout referendum won't ?rottenborough said:
They'd be wise not to. Pushing on with Leave will destroy the Tory party for decades.nunu said:
Perfect time for Tories to call early GE in September, get workable majority to leave.rottenborough said:150 MPs planning to vote down Corbyn according to D Telegraph.
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No it didnt.foxinsoxuk said:
It isn't a welcoming place though.Sandpit said:
You're right that the campaigns were disgusting (on both sides, to be fair), and we are where we are.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.
It's sad that a small but vocal minority of idiots are hijacking the result for their own ends, so as @Patrick says we all need to go and hug our friends and colleagues, make sure they know that they are not unwanted and that Britian is still a welcoming place.
Britain just voted explicitly to stop people like her coming and settling here.
It voted to control who comes here not to stop anyone coming.0 -
Well it will be better that some of the pretty evil stuff written about him on here from some of the usual suspects.ydoethur said:
Neville Chamberlain thought the same. Remind me, how did that work out?SquareRoot said:
Osborne is much maligned. History will be kinder to him.paulyork64 said:I'd be interested to hear from the 1% of people who voted leave who think osborne would be the best PM. did they tick the wrong box on thursday?
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I've just looked at the new Shadow Cabinet.
Is Corbyn joking? Surely even he couldn't have made Abbott shadow health secretary?0 -
Small proportion of morons, this kind of stuff always happens. Can't blame it on the referendum.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Why are you not condemning this blatently racist behaviour with the same enthusiasm that you condemn such behaviour in uk? That is a hate crime and it would appear to me that you find it amusing.Scott_P said:@vaughansalway: England result popular in Brussels last night. One table of English city types told by irate local to "get out, go home". Oh the irony.
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If people feel unwanted, that's how they feel.Alanbrooke said:
No it didnt.foxinsoxuk said:
It isn't a welcoming place though.Sandpit said:
You're right that the campaigns were disgusting (on both sides, to be fair), and we are where we are.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.
It's sad that a small but vocal minority of idiots are hijacking the result for their own ends, so as @Patrick says we all need to go and hug our friends and colleagues, make sure they know that they are not unwanted and that Britian is still a welcoming place.
Britain just voted explicitly to stop people like her coming and settling here.
It voted to control who comes here not to stop anyone coming.
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Or that bumblebees can fly.corporeal said:
Scientifically speaking there are no discrete races.AndyJS said:Interesting how "racist" now seems to be used as a synonym for "xenophobic". If an English person attacks a Scottish person it can seemingly be described as "racist" even though most English and Scottish people are the same race, white Europeans. Not sure when this change in language happened.
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I fear you are wasting your time, they hear what they want to hear.Alanbrooke said:
No it didnt.foxinsoxuk said:
It isn't a welcoming place though.Sandpit said:
You're right that the campaigns were disgusting (on both sides, to be fair), and we are where we are.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.
It's sad that a small but vocal minority of idiots are hijacking the result for their own ends, so as @Patrick says we all need to go and hug our friends and colleagues, make sure they know that they are not unwanted and that Britian is still a welcoming place.
Britain just voted explicitly to stop people like her coming and settling here.
It voted to control who comes here not to stop anyone coming.0 -
Is the country trying to emerge from this clusterf*ck by having a second referendum? This seems to be gaining traction.0
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I'm sorry to disillusion you, but history is 90% written by left-wing ideologues. They will all be fuming at the result and spend their time savaging him for it.SquareRoot said:
Well it will be better that some of the pretty evil stuff written about him on here from some of the usual suspects.ydoethur said:
Neville Chamberlain thought the same. Remind me, how did that work out?SquareRoot said:
Osborne is much maligned. History will be kinder to him.paulyork64 said:I'd be interested to hear from the 1% of people who voted leave who think osborne would be the best PM. did they tick the wrong box on thursday?
That's how Baldwin and Chamberlain, the motor of the National Government, got so badly mauled - they were trying to explain the left's utter political, moral and intellectual failure in the 1920s and 1930s. Of course, this merely made Labour's failure look all the more abject!0 -
History will be kinder to George Osborne than to Neville Chamberlain. Chancellors of the Exchequer are routinely forgotten.ydoethur said:
Neville Chamberlain thought the same. Remind me, how did that work out?SquareRoot said:
Osborne is much maligned. History will be kinder to him.paulyork64 said:I'd be interested to hear from the 1% of people who voted leave who think osborne would be the best PM. did they tick the wrong box on thursday?
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There's a little 34 left on Betfair. Might be a good trading bet if he does run, although TBH I really hope that few do - lets get the new PM in place quickly to get on with running the country.david_herdson said:Sky reporting that Jeremy Hunt is to stand. He is currently available at 33/1+ with a wide range (80/1 with BoyleSports if you trust what to me is an unknown quantity).
I don't expect him to win and I think his position on the EU is daft but as a candidate his odds would surely shorten from those prices.0 -
@BBCNormanS: EU exit deal will effect Britain for next century so right to take time and have 2nd referendum says Jeremy Hunt0
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What should they have done? Criminalised egalitariansm, perhaps?ydoethur said:
I'm sorry to disillusion you, but history is 90% written by left-wing ideologues. They will all be fuming at the result and spend their time savaging him for it.SquareRoot said:
Well it will be better that some of the pretty evil stuff written about him on here from some of the usual suspects.ydoethur said:
Neville Chamberlain thought the same. Remind me, how did that work out?SquareRoot said:
Osborne is much maligned. History will be kinder to him.paulyork64 said:I'd be interested to hear from the 1% of people who voted leave who think osborne would be the best PM. did they tick the wrong box on thursday?
That's how Baldwin and Chamberlain, the motor of the National Government, got so badly mauled - they were trying to explain the left's utter political, moral and intellectual failure in the 1920s and 1930s. Of course, this merely made Labour's failure look all the more abject!
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I know it's only a poll and we know how good they've been recently, but that yougov poll has labour ahead of conservative on voting intention. yet all the chatter is saying labour would get hammered if a new tory PM called an election.0
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Not saying it's going to happen, but we wouldn't be forced into anything as we haven't triggered article 50.HYUFD said:
No as that would lead to national humiliation, a return to the EU with full integration and maybe the Euro toomurali_s said:Is the country trying to emerge from this clusterf*ck by having a second referendum? This seems to be gaining traction.
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Perhaps we should compare him to Sir Stafford Northcote, whom most people will never have heard of and whose mind bending uselessness as Leader of the Opposition 1880-85 is therefore forgotten?david_herdson said:
History will be kinder to George Osborne than to Neville Chamberlain. Chancellors of the Exchequer are routinely forgotten.ydoethur said:
Neville Chamberlain thought the same. Remind me, how did that work out?SquareRoot said:
Osborne is much maligned. History will be kinder to him.paulyork64 said:I'd be interested to hear from the 1% of people who voted leave who think osborne would be the best PM. did they tick the wrong box on thursday?
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What's the perception though? The Leave vote has emboldened the bigots and racists of this country to do their worst. This perception has been reinforced by the The Leave campaign's xenophobic focus.Alanbrooke said:
No it didnt.foxinsoxuk said:
It isn't a welcoming place though.Sandpit said:
You're right that the campaigns were disgusting (on both sides, to be fair), and we are where we are.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.
It's sad that a small but vocal minority of idiots are hijacking the result for their own ends, so as @Patrick says we all need to go and hug our friends and colleagues, make sure they know that they are not unwanted and that Britian is still a welcoming place.
Britain just voted explicitly to stop people like her coming and settling here.
It voted to control who comes here not to stop anyone coming.
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George Osborne is a young man. He may yet have a long contribution to politics ahead of him.0
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Eh? Not if we never left. It might be the EUrocrats worst nightmare, but they can't kick us out.HYUFD said:
No as that would lead to national humiliation, a return to the EU with full integration and maybe the Euro toomurali_s said:Is the country trying to emerge from this clusterf*ck by having a second referendum? This seems to be gaining traction.
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Come on, YD, you know better than that. "HIstory will be kind to me, for I intend to write it". And in writing it from such a towering moral position, he had to establish a baseline that inevitably meant that Baldwin and Chamberlain would suffer - though not unjustly: Baldwin was a decent peacetime PM and Chamberlain a very good Chancellor and an outstanding Minister of Health, but neither were up to the challenge that they ultimately faced.ydoethur said:
I'm sorry to disillusion you, but history is 90% written by left-wing ideologues. They will all be fuming at the result and spend their time savaging him for it.SquareRoot said:
Well it will be better that some of the pretty evil stuff written about him on here from some of the usual suspects.ydoethur said:
Neville Chamberlain thought the same. Remind me, how did that work out?SquareRoot said:
Osborne is much maligned. History will be kinder to him.paulyork64 said:I'd be interested to hear from the 1% of people who voted leave who think osborne would be the best PM. did they tick the wrong box on thursday?
That's how Baldwin and Chamberlain, the motor of the National Government, got so badly mauled - they were trying to explain the left's utter political, moral and intellectual failure in the 1920s and 1930s. Of course, this merely made Labour's failure look all the more abject!0 -
Never disappointing...
@NadineDorriesMP: Boris Johnson will not call a General Election if selected to lead the Conservative party. He has a mandate from 17.4 million people #brexit0 -
May now has to win and probably will win. She is the tough head needed for the negotiations, Boris was always all about BorisMikeK said:In the last few days Boris has lost any respect I had for him - and I respected him a lot - by his attitude to LEAVE actually winning the Ref. He looks like a man who, having his greatest desire within reach, is suddenly afraid of the task ahead, and wishes this was January and the whole episode had never happened.
He'll have to do a hell of a lot to overcome his present attitude, if ever.0 -
Curious, ive never ever ever heard someone in the UK use the word Polack in any context whatsoever.SouthamObserver said:
A Belgian woman in our marketing team was told to "Fuck off home you Polack" at the weekend. And she's not even Polish.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.0 -
If her colleagues are filling her head with nonsense like that, it's no wonder she feels unwelcome.foxinsoxuk said:
It isn't a welcoming place though.Sandpit said:
You're right that the campaigns were disgusting (on both sides, to be fair), and we are where we are.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.
It's sad that a small but vocal minority of idiots are hijacking the result for their own ends, so as @Patrick says we all need to go and hug our friends and colleagues, make sure they know that they are not unwanted and that Britian is still a welcoming place.
Britain just voted explicitly to stop people like her coming and settling here.0 -
That seems a non sequitur. Have you misunderstood my comment? On reading it, it could have been clearer.Innocent_Abroad said:
What should they have done? Criminalised egalitariansm, perhaps?ydoethur said:
I'm sorry to disillusion you, but history is 90% written by left-wing ideologues. They will all be fuming at the result and spend their time savaging him for it.SquareRoot said:
Well it will be better that some of the pretty evil stuff written about him on here from some of the usual suspects.ydoethur said:
Neville Chamberlain thought the same. Remind me, how did that work out?SquareRoot said:
Osborne is much maligned. History will be kinder to him.paulyork64 said:I'd be interested to hear from the 1% of people who voted leave who think osborne would be the best PM. did they tick the wrong box on thursday?
That's how Baldwin and Chamberlain, the motor of the National Government, got so badly mauled - they were trying to explain the left's utter political, moral and intellectual failure in the 1920s and 1930s. Of course, this merely made Labour's failure look all the more abject!
I was saying Baldwin and Chamberlain were demonised by historians for winning, when most left wing historians firmly believe they should have been easily beaten by a Socialist party, because that is who they would have voted for.0 -
I do hope Wales beat Belgium!Scott_P said:@vaughansalway: England result popular in Brussels last night. One table of English city types told by irate local to "get out, go home". Oh the irony.
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Dear me - not another day of this?
My favourite huffy teenager behaviour from the EU is the intention to throw English out as an official language. I wonder what they'll use instead - or expect Ireland to say about that?!0 -
Got enough popcorn over there? God help us if he wins!Scott_P said:Never disappointing...
@NadineDorriesMP: Boris Johnson will not call a General Election if selected to lead the Conservative party. He has a mandate from 17.4 million people #brexit0 -
It is not me saying it. It is our politicians. She is not deaf or blind.ThreeQuidder said:
If her colleagues are filling her head with nonsense like that, it's no wonder she feels unwelcome.foxinsoxuk said:
It isn't a welcoming place though.Sandpit said:
You're right that the campaigns were disgusting (on both sides, to be fair), and we are where we are.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.
It's sad that a small but vocal minority of idiots are hijacking the result for their own ends, so as @Patrick says we all need to go and hug our friends and colleagues, make sure they know that they are not unwanted and that Britian is still a welcoming place.
Britain just voted explicitly to stop people like her coming and settling here.0 -
Still repeating that lie?murali_s said:
What's the perception though? The Leave vote has emboldened the bigots and racists of this country to do their worst. This perception has been reinforced by the The Leave campaign's xenophobic focus.Alanbrooke said:
No it didnt.foxinsoxuk said:
It isn't a welcoming place though.Sandpit said:
You're right that the campaigns were disgusting (on both sides, to be fair), and we are where we are.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.
It's sad that a small but vocal minority of idiots are hijacking the result for their own ends, so as @Patrick says we all need to go and hug our friends and colleagues, make sure they know that they are not unwanted and that Britian is still a welcoming place.
Britain just voted explicitly to stop people like her coming and settling here.
It voted to control who comes here not to stop anyone coming.
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Well, you clearly don't get out much. It's a US import as we have not had many Poles here until recently, so have not developed our own unpleasant term.notme said:
Curious, ive never ever ever heard someone in the UK use the word Polack in any context whatsoever.SouthamObserver said:
A Belgian woman in our marketing team was told to "Fuck off home you Polack" at the weekend. And she's not even Polish.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.
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A lot of the tales of racism and abuse we've heard since the weekend don't have the ring of truth. I suspect a large majority of them are inventions.0
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Yep, the racists are on the march. The PB Burleys (many of whom are ironically bigoted themselves) will put their heads in the sand and deny this.foxinsoxuk said:
It is not me saying it. It is our politicians. She is not deaf or blind.ThreeQuidder said:
If her colleagues are filling her head with nonsense like that, it's no wonder she feels unwelcome.foxinsoxuk said:
It isn't a welcoming place though.Sandpit said:
You're right that the campaigns were disgusting (on both sides, to be fair), and we are where we are.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.
It's sad that a small but vocal minority of idiots are hijacking the result for their own ends, so as @Patrick says we all need to go and hug our friends and colleagues, make sure they know that they are not unwanted and that Britian is still a welcoming place.
Britain just voted explicitly to stop people like her coming and settling here.0 -
So do I.HYUFD said:
I do hope Wales beat Belgium!Scott_P said:@vaughansalway: England result popular in Brussels last night. One table of English city types told by irate local to "get out, go home". Oh the irony.
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Very few historians cite Churchill uncritically. Indeed Cannadine seems to assume if Churchill says it, the opposite is true. But many still use the earlier polemic Guilty Men as a source, despite its many well-publicised flaws. That is then used as an excuse to extend criticism to Conservative failure to adopt radical social and economic policy. Martin Pugh called it the 'belated victory' of the left, and so did I in an earlier work on the 1920s.david_herdson said:
Come on, YD, you know better than that. "HIstory will be kind to me, for I intend to write it". And in writing it from such a towering moral position, he had to establish a baseline that inevitably meant that Baldwin and Chamberlain would suffer - though not unjustly: Baldwin was a decent peacetime PM and Chamberlain a very good Chancellor and an outstanding Minister of Health, but neither were up to the challenge that they ultimately faced.ydoethur said:
I'm sorry to disillusion you, but history is 90% written by left-wing ideologues. They will all be fuming at the result and spend their time savaging him for it.SquareRoot said:
Well it will be better that some of the pretty evil stuff written about him on here from some of the usual suspects.ydoethur said:
Neville Chamberlain thought the same. Remind me, how did that work out?SquareRoot said:
Osborne is much maligned. History will be kinder to him.paulyork64 said:I'd be interested to hear from the 1% of people who voted leave who think osborne would be the best PM. did they tick the wrong box on thursday?
That's how Baldwin and Chamberlain, the motor of the National Government, got so badly mauled - they were trying to explain the left's utter political, moral and intellectual failure in the 1920s and 1930s. Of course, this merely made Labour's failure look all the more abject!
Perhaps Osborne will be forgotten but it is most unlikely he will be remembered kindly. His economic policy was by the standards he set a failure and his social policy is a smoking ruin. Finally, he was a high-profile casualty of the referendum. Not a great record.
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You may have missed a few of the newspaper headlines.ThreeQuidder said:
If her colleagues are filling her head with nonsense like that, it's no wonder she feels unwelcome.foxinsoxuk said:
It isn't a welcoming place though.Sandpit said:
You're right that the campaigns were disgusting (on both sides, to be fair), and we are where we are.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.
It's sad that a small but vocal minority of idiots are hijacking the result for their own ends, so as @Patrick says we all need to go and hug our friends and colleagues, make sure they know that they are not unwanted and that Britian is still a welcoming place.
Britain just voted explicitly to stop people like her coming and settling here.
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You just said it, they haven't.foxinsoxuk said:
It is not me saying it. It is our politicians. She is not deaf or blind.ThreeQuidder said:
If her colleagues are filling her head with nonsense like that, it's no wonder she feels unwelcome.foxinsoxuk said:
It isn't a welcoming place though.Sandpit said:
You're right that the campaigns were disgusting (on both sides, to be fair), and we are where we are.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.
It's sad that a small but vocal minority of idiots are hijacking the result for their own ends, so as @Patrick says we all need to go and hug our friends and colleagues, make sure they know that they are not unwanted and that Britian is still a welcoming place.
Britain just voted explicitly to stop people like her coming and settling here.0 -
I think it's giving people hope as while that's what those at the top are saying, by suggesting we can't declare without going a deal first, which the eu says won't happen, it sounds possible he's 'saying' something else. But I'm with you. Tactics are being utilised to try and gain as much time as possible, but the endgame is accepted.nunu said:
Calm down. He said "Britain must and will leave".williamglenn said:
And no Article 50.rottenborough said:Hunt: 2nd referendum:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/tory-cabinet-minister-calls-for-second-referendum-on-terms-of-eu/
Outstanding!
Mr Hunt says: “We must not invoke Article 50 straight away because that puts a time limit of two years on negotiations after which we could be thrown out with no deal at all. So before setting the clock ticking, we need to negotiate a deal and put it to the British people, either in a referendum or through the Conservative manifesto at a fresh General Election.”
Hunts plan for a referendum or election on a deal makes no sense though, since that risks no deal, which is what he says we need to avoid. That also gives hope to people, as if we won't declare until a deal is done, and then we vote it down, how to we then declare? His is a silly plan.0 -
That's very fair. He has also made a series of promises that will need to be delivered.Scott_P said:Never disappointing...
@NadineDorriesMP: Boris Johnson will not call a General Election if selected to lead the Conservative party. He has a mandate from 17.4 million people #brexit
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Betfair next PM market crossover today?
Boris 2.5, Theresa 2.7.
http://politicalodds.bet/next-prime-minister?time=7#i
There's also some arbs available between Next PM market and next Conservative Leader market if anyone thinks they're effectively the same.0 -
London going for free movement of Labour pass porting system http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/brexit-business-leader-urges-london-visa-as-sadiq-khan-tries-to-save-city-s-trading-status-a3281716.html0
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Me neither. I enjoyed the supposed anti-Polish graffiti - it was signed UKIP. Even the stupidest kid knows not to stick your name on your toilet wall missives. That's no excuse for any genuine nitwittery - but there's rather too much to be gained by trying to up the anti from angry Remainers. We're already seen the publicity that recycled tweet from 4yrs ago got.notme said:
Curious, ive never ever ever heard someone in the UK use the word Polack in any context whatsoever.SouthamObserver said:
A Belgian woman in our marketing team was told to "Fuck off home you Polack" at the weekend. And she's not even Polish.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.0 -
Indeed I would happily have traded Iceland beating England for a Welsh win over the Belgians, we shall seeThreeQuidder said:
So do I.HYUFD said:
I do hope Wales beat Belgium!Scott_P said:@vaughansalway: England result popular in Brussels last night. One table of English city types told by irate local to "get out, go home". Oh the irony.
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Don't show that to Scott, he doesn't like people broadening the meaning of words, it means they're thick.Dadge said:
http://grammar.about.com/od/ab/g/broadenterm.htmcorporeal said:
I suspect the simplicity and resonance of racist will always make it win out over xenophobia. Tthe meaning has broadened, i can't remember the proper linguistical term for itAndyJS said:
That's right and I would prefer to get rid of the idea altogether.corporeal said:
Scientifically speaking there are no discrete races.AndyJS said:Interesting how "racist" now seems to be used as a synonym for "xenophobic". If an English person attacks a Scottish person it can seemingly be described as "racist" even though most English and Scottish people are the same race, white Europeans. Not sure when this change in language happened.
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May will make him ambassador to Brussels!AlastairMeeks said:George Osborne is a young man. He may yet have a long contribution to politics ahead of him.
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Only because Chancellors usually get forgotten. I'm not sure that is going to be the case here though. We have a structural deficit that has been created and left unfixed over the past 14 years. My inkling is that the person who created it and the people who failed to fix it will be treated with contempt for a long time to come..david_herdson said:
History will be kinder to George Osborne than to Neville Chamberlain. Chancellors of the Exchequer are routinely forgotten.ydoethur said:
Neville Chamberlain thought the same. Remind me, how did that work out?SquareRoot said:
Osborne is much maligned. History will be kinder to him.paulyork64 said:I'd be interested to hear from the 1% of people who voted leave who think osborne would be the best PM. did they tick the wrong box on thursday?
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Any second referendum needs to be of the form "Do you accept this deal for EFTA/EEA/whatever, or should we revert to WTO rules when we leave?"kle4 said:
I think it's giving people hope as while that's what those at the top are saying, by suggesting we can't declare without going a deal first, which the eu says won't happen, it sounds possible he's 'saying' something else. But I'm with you. Tactics are being utilised to try and gain as much time as possible, but the endgame is accepted.nunu said:
Calm down. He said "Britain must and will leave".williamglenn said:
And no Article 50.rottenborough said:Hunt: 2nd referendum:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/tory-cabinet-minister-calls-for-second-referendum-on-terms-of-eu/
Outstanding!
Mr Hunt says: “We must not invoke Article 50 straight away because that puts a time limit of two years on negotiations after which we could be thrown out with no deal at all. So before setting the clock ticking, we need to negotiate a deal and put it to the British people, either in a referendum or through the Conservative manifesto at a fresh General Election.”
Hunts plan for a referendum or election on a deal makes no sense though, since that risks no deal, which is what he says we need to avoid. That also gives hope to people, as if we won't declare until a deal is done, and then we vote it down, how to we then declare? His is a silly plan.
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They can take Cameron's renegotiation off the table though, which they will. We would be in on much worse terms than had Remain wonIanB2 said:
Eh? Not if we never left. It might be the EUrocrats worst nightmare, but they can't kick us out.HYUFD said:
No as that would lead to national humiliation, a return to the EU with full integration and maybe the Euro toomurali_s said:Is the country trying to emerge from this clusterf*ck by having a second referendum? This seems to be gaining traction.
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If you are implying or claiming that I am making it up then why not just say so?PlatoSaid said:
Me neither. I enjoyed the supposed anti-Polish graffiti - it was signed UKIP. Even the stupidest kid knows not to stick your name on your toilet wall missives. That's no excuse for any genuine nitwittery - but there's rather too much to be gained by trying to up the anti from angry Remainers. We're already seen the publicity that recycled tweet from 4yrs ago got.notme said:
Curious, ive never ever ever heard someone in the UK use the word Polack in any context whatsoever.SouthamObserver said:
A Belgian woman in our marketing team was told to "Fuck off home you Polack" at the weekend. And she's not even Polish.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.
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you enjoy it ?PlatoSaid said:
Me neither. I enjoyed the supposed anti-Polish graffiti - it was signed UKIP. Even the stupidest kid knows not to stick your name on your toilet wall missives. That's no excuse for any genuine nitwittery - but there's rather too much to be gained by trying to up the anti from angry Remainers. We're already seen the publicity that recycled tweet from 4yrs ago got.notme said:
Curious, ive never ever ever heard someone in the UK use the word Polack in any context whatsoever.SouthamObserver said:
A Belgian woman in our marketing team was told to "Fuck off home you Polack" at the weekend. And she's not even Polish.foxinsoxuk said:
It doesn't work like that.Sandpit said:
Well said @Patrick. The sad story yesterday from Dr @foxinsoxuk about EU medical staff feeling unwelcome is deeply regrettable. They should know that there will always be space for those who can make such a valuable contribution to the UK, no matter where they were born or what colour is their skin.Patrick said:Small request from Patrick to the people of the UK:
Like, I suspect, most Leave voters, I voted out because of the fundamental issue of sovereignty and democracy. If you can't vote for a change of policy in the EU then it is a prison not a democracy. Some, however, seem to have taken the result to be a green light to become arseholes. Please go out of your way to be kind, friendly, welcoming and respectful towards everyone in this country - especially the immigrants or native Brits of an ethnic minority.
It does appear that a bunch of racist organisations have taken the result as an endorsement of their beliefs in the UK, which of course couldn't be further from the truth.
The Spanish nurse I was speaking to has had no personal abuse. She has simply been made to feel unwanted.
Leave has made their bed and will have to lie in it.
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We would lose the renegotiationRobD said:
Not saying it's going to happen, but we wouldn't be forced into anything as we haven't triggered article 50.HYUFD said:
No as that would lead to national humiliation, a return to the EU with full integration and maybe the Euro toomurali_s said:Is the country trying to emerge from this clusterf*ck by having a second referendum? This seems to be gaining traction.
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The second referendum being talking of now is one in two years or so to ratify our Brexit deal.murali_s said:Is the country trying to emerge from this clusterf*ck by having a second referendum? This seems to be gaining traction.
A rejection of that and... well, it's WTO rules only lol0 -
Astonishing, isn't it?PlatoSaid said:Dear me - not another day of this?
My favourite huffy teenager behaviour from the EU is the intention to throw English out as an official language. I wonder what they'll use instead - or expect Ireland to say about that?!
Manic tweet screeching is making this place unreadable as well.0 -
Who is backing David Miliband as next Labour leader? I've just laid him at 14 and I know others have got shorter prices, but the mechanics for getting him in look highly circuitous and there's no suggestion that he's even thought about it.0
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On facebook yesterday, clearly made up, like those overly emotional facebook stories about someone in a fast food place hugging/paying for/ helping a muslim/gay/black/veteran/disabled woman or man on the receiving end of some entirely implausible piece of nonsense, using the type of language that someone thinks a bigot would use. When the good Samaritan step's in, everyone claps, tears in abundance. The end of the story we often found the person being saved is a doctor/brain surgeon/ nurse/abuse victim.asjohnstone said:A lot of the tales of racism and abuse we've heard since the weekend don't have the ring of truth. I suspect a large majority of them are inventions.
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Right, this isn't about the EU. This is about pure hatred and in all honesty I'm getting sick of it.
Last night I couldn't be arsed cooking so decided to order a burger in. The guy that delivered it was Romanian. When he went to pass me the food I noticed something on his jacket. I said to him 'You've got a stain or something on your jacket there mate'. He said 'I know, I'm sorry, I haven't had time to wash it off, it's egg, it was the person on my last delivery'. I asked him what he meant and he went on to tell me that after his last delivery, the person had gone on a rant telling him 'we voted leave, why are you still here?' In short.
Then, after he collected the money (without a tip, obviously) he was walking away from the house when the man shouted him back. As he walked back, the man and his wife threw two eggs at him, both of which hit him, before shouting 'fuck off home, polish scum' (bearing in mind he is Romanian).
As he told me the story, he genuinely had a tear in his eye. He finished by saying 'but I still love England, my friend'. I asked him how much he made an hour, he told me £4 plus 50p for every delivery made. I gave a £10 tip and finished by apologised to him for the behaviour of people in this country. He grabbed my hand, gave me a quick hug and said 'I'll never forget this, thank you friend'.
It's easy to disregard posts like this on Facebook until you experience it yourself first hand. There are plenty of similar posts all around the Internet, which suggests this situation is only getting worse.
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So speaks someone completely immune to any negative consequences of Brexit.PlatoSaid said:Dear me - not another day of this?
My favourite huffy teenager behaviour from the EU is the intention to throw English out as an official language. I wonder what they'll use instead - or expect Ireland to say about that?!
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