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Not quite, I'm afraid.Jobabob said:
Last week, we had a happy, liberal, prosperous, open country.Wanderer said:
Yes, but not intentionally. In this case we have deliberately brought a crisis on ourselves our of a clear sky.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true. The ERM crisis was entirely self inflicted.Wanderer said:
We've never willingly brought a crisis on ourselves though. At least not since 1642. Indeed, it's almost the essence of Toryism not to do such a thing.Alanbrooke said:
that;s simply not truerpjs said:
It seems to me that the saddest part of this entire fiasco is not that the UK will or may or may not leave the EU, or join EFTA or the EEA or a renewed Imperial Preference Sphere, but that we have just thrown away our reputation for stability. There really are very few countries in the world that can point to decades, let alone centuries of stable government. It was always part of Britain's appeal as a place to live and come to do business that we change through evolution, not revolution. Crises come and go, sometimes of our making, sometimes forced upon us, but we could always point out that we don't EVER decide to throw the toys out of the pram and have a political / constitutional meltdown just for shits and giggles.SeanT said:chopped
Until now.
It's a bit like the old saw about how do the Oxbridge colleges have such perfect lawns - they just do the same thing over and over again for hundreds of years. And now we've just poured a tonne (sorry, TON, now that we're free of the EU jackboot!) of paraquat onto our lawn...
1970s economic crisis and IMF
1980s war and recession
1990s kicked out of ERM
2000s banking crisis
weve always had turbulence since capitalism causes crises but in this revolution so far there arent any bodies on the street, no strikers a la France, no meltdown a la Greece. In Europe only Germany runs us close and they have their own sets of problems which will hit them hard in the next decade imo.
This week, we have an inward looking, scared, bigoted, economically threatened one.
And it's of our own making.
Last week, the articulate & comfortable believed we had a happy, liberal, prosperous country.
This week, the articulate & comfortable are taking a look at how the rest of the country feels.0 -
Even accepting your premise - the UK has no leadership, both main parties (and the only parties capable of winning an election) have lame duck leaders, are hopelessly split and are offering absolutely no policies or direction for the country.Luckyguy1983 said:
You must try not to believe the squealers of Broadcasting House in such a naive fashion. The fundamentals of Britain's position in the world just got a whole lot better. Whether we make a success of it or not depends on leadership. We're not in a great starting position, but now we're not in the EU we're at least in the race.Lowlander said:
Did you read your final sentence before you hit "post"?Luckyguy1983 said:
It sounds obvious, but the only way to avoid Scottish independence is for the Scots not to want independence.Lowlander said:
It's not a straw. Its basically the fundamental objection to Independence at the moment.Luckyguy1983 said:
You clutch that straw.Lowlander said:
But can the UK accept a free trade deal with Ireland while Scotland is about to vote on Independence?chestnut said:Ghana, NZ and EFTA can be added to that grouping, and it's pretty clear that the Irish are going to cite special circumstances in terms of trading with the UK/EU.
If the UK cuts an open border and free trade deal with Ireland (and it will) then there is literally no way to stop Independence. And if it delays cutting the deal till after Scotland votes and says that it won't, once it does, there will be justification for a third referendum, if the second one says No.
That implies making a success out of post-Brexit Britain.
There is still time to delete it and replace it with something remotely likely.
If your hopes depend on leadership, your hopes are utterly doomed.0 -
Just heard Dan the Man repeating the mantra that EU yoke of oppression 300,000 net immigration = bad, UK sovereign answerable to no one 300,000 net immigration = good.
Now of course, he is right. It is up to us whoever we let in. Thing is, they may blather and bluster, but they used Nige to fight their anti-immigration proxy war (and sometimes got involved themselves, witness Turkey).
So although the theory is elegant, will the lumpenproletariat be happy?0 -
Yes, that too, but you will come through this - we're all here for you.Jobabob said:
Nuts.0 -
I lol'd when people tipped Leanne Wood to win the debate pre-2015 GE. I lol'd hard.YellowSubmarine said:It's time to put Welsh independence on agenda – Leanne Wood
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Just remember this catchy rhyming phrase "Leanne Wood is Not Very Good"0 -
Exactement. Leavers see no ships...Richard_Tyndall said:
That's really funny considering Wales voted pretty heavily for Leave.YellowSubmarine said:It's time to put Welsh independence on agenda – Leanne Wood
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Richard_Tyndall said:
That's really funny considering Wales voted pretty heavily for Leave.YellowSubmarine said:It's time to put Welsh independence on agenda – Leanne Wood
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My guess is Plaid has realised ( years too late ) that UKIP has leapfrogged them in the anger market. Leanne is clever and ( too ) decent. Brexit will only exacerbate what caused people to vote for Brexit in Wales. Once the EU is gone it'll be Westminster's turn. They've been admirably honest Wales is light years away from being financial independent but where has that got them. After watching Leave win she's probably concluded we're in post truth politics and she needs to be less principled.Richard_Tyndall said:
That's really funny considering Wales voted pretty heavily for Leave.YellowSubmarine said:It's time to put Welsh independence on agenda – Leanne Wood
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JC speaks0
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Corbyn speaking in Westminster.0
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By situation I think she means the disintegration of the UK.brokenwheel said:
HaYellowSubmarine said:It's time to put Welsh independence on agenda – Leanne Wood
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"Even though this situation was not of our making"
Erm, how did Wales vote again?0 -
They were doomed before. There's now a chink of light.Lowlander said:
Even accepting your premise - the UK has no leadership, both main parties (and the only parties capable of winning an election) have lame duck leaders, are hopelessly split and are offering absolutely no policies or direction for the country.Luckyguy1983 said:
You must try not to believe the squealers of Broadcasting House in such a naive fashion. The fundamentals of Britain's position in the world just got a whole lot better. Whether we make a success of it or not depends on leadership. We're not in a great starting position, but now we're not in the EU we're at least in the race.Lowlander said:
Did you read your final sentence before you hit "post"?Luckyguy1983 said:
It sounds obvious, but the only way to avoid Scottish independence is for the Scots not to want independence.Lowlander said:
It's not a straw. Its basically the fundamental objection to Independence at the moment.Luckyguy1983 said:
You clutch that straw.Lowlander said:
But can the UK accept a free trade deal with Ireland while Scotland is about to vote on Independence?chestnut said:Ghana, NZ and EFTA can be added to that grouping, and it's pretty clear that the Irish are going to cite special circumstances in terms of trading with the UK/EU.
If the UK cuts an open border and free trade deal with Ireland (and it will) then there is literally no way to stop Independence. And if it delays cutting the deal till after Scotland votes and says that it won't, once it does, there will be justification for a third referendum, if the second one says No.
That implies making a success out of post-Brexit Britain.
There is still time to delete it and replace it with something remotely likely.
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See above. They've been remarkably honest about that in the past. But now where in post Truth politics.AlastairMeeks said:
The economics of that are challenging.YellowSubmarine said:It's time to put Welsh independence on agenda – Leanne Wood
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Assuming NI is where you are, would I be right to assume that NI suffered severe contagion from the property bubble and subsequent collapse caused by RoI euro membership and therefore building industry still hasnt recovered?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Where do you live ? I'm in the UK.Alanbrooke said:<
And it's of our own making.
I live in warwickshire. Brummy metal basher now :-)
But yes NI had a huge property bubble. All the cash in ROI which couldnt find a home flew North. At one stage Newry which is like Skelmersdale without the scenery had the fastest growing house prices in the UK. At that point I knew we were heading for a crash.
My brother who lives in NI saw a house in his street sold for £250k in 2007. This week the house next door hit the market at £135k.0 -
You are obsessed with leaving the EU. Nothing else matters to you. Whatever the cost.Luckyguy1983 said:
Yes, that too, but you will come through this - we're all here for you.Jobabob said:
Nuts.
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deleted, quoting gone to cock, no idea who said what to whom0
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A rousing introduction from Dennis Skinner.0
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Nope @Alanbrooke is aTOPPING said:
Assuming NI is where you are, would I be right to assume that NI suffered severe contagion from the property bubble and subsequent collapse caused by RoI euro membership and therefore building industry still hasnt recovered?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Where do you live ? I'm in the UK.Alanbrooke said:<
And it's of our own making.littlemiddle Englander. (
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I made the NI mistake when I should have known better.
I'm anything but little :-)0 -
100% correct.AnneJGP said:
Not quite, I'm afraid.Jobabob said:
Last week, we had a happy, liberal, prosperous, open country.Wanderer said:
Yes, but not intentionally. In this case we have deliberately brought a crisis on ourselves our of a clear sky.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true. The ERM crisis was entirely self inflicted.Wanderer said:
We've never willingly brought a crisis on ourselves though. At least not since 1642. Indeed, it's almost the essence of Toryism not to do such a thing.Alanbrooke said:
that;s simply not truerpjs said:
It seems to me that the saddest part of this entire fiasco is not that the UK will or may or may not leave the EU, or join EFTA or the EEA or a renewed Imperial Preference Sphere, but that we have just thrown away our reputation for stability. There really are very few countries in the world that can point to decades, let alone centuries of stable government. It was always part of Britain's appeal as a place to live and come to do business that we change through evolution, not revolution. Crises come and go, sometimes of our making, sometimes forced upon us, but we could always point out that we don't EVER decide to throw the toys out of the pram and have a political / constitutional meltdown just for shits and giggles.SeanT said:chopped
Until now.
It's a bit like the old saw about how do the Oxbridge colleges have such perfect lawns - they just do the same thing over and over again for hundreds of years. And now we've just poured a tonne (sorry, TON, now that we're free of the EU jackboot!) of paraquat onto our lawn...
1970s economic crisis and IMF
1980s war and recession
1990s kicked out of ERM
2000s banking crisis
weve always had turbulence since capitalism causes crises but in this revolution so far there arent any bodies on the street, no strikers a la France, no meltdown a la Greece. In Europe only Germany runs us close and they have their own sets of problems which will hit them hard in the next decade imo.
This week, we have an inward looking, scared, bigoted, economically threatened one.
And it's of our own making.
Last week, the articulate & comfortable believed we had a happy, liberal, prosperous country.
This week, the articulate & comfortable are taking a look at how the rest of the country feels.0 -
Fancying a job in the shadow cabinet?AndyJS said:A rousing introduction from Dennis Skinner.
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Yep. And will continue to be articulate & comfortable. Many in the rest of the country, not so much.AnneJGP said:
Not quite, I'm afraid.Jobabob said:
Last week, we had a happy, liberal, prosperous, open country.Wanderer said:
Yes, but not intentionally. In this case we have deliberately brought a crisis on ourselves our of a clear sky.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true. The ERM crisis was entirely self inflicted.Wanderer said:
We've never willingly brought a crisis on ourselves though. At least not since 1642. Indeed, it's almost the essence of Toryism not to do such a thing.Alanbrooke said:
that;s simply not truerpjs said:
It seems to me that the saddest part of this entire fiasco is not that the UK will or may or may not leave the EU, or join EFTA or the EEA or a renewed Imperial Preference Sphere, but that we have just thrown away our reputation for stability. There really are very few countries in the world that can point to decades, let alone centuries of stable government. It was always part of Britain's appeal as a place to live and come to do business that we change through evolution, not revolution. Crises come and go, sometimes of our making, sometimes forced upon us, but we could always point out that we don't EVER decide to throw the toys out of the pram and have a political / constitutional meltdown just for shits and giggles.SeanT said:chopped
Until now.
It's a bit like the old saw about how do the Oxbridge colleges have such perfect lawns - they just do the same thing over and over again for hundreds of years. And now we've just poured a tonne (sorry, TON, now that we're free of the EU jackboot!) of paraquat onto our lawn...
1970s economic crisis and IMF
1980s war and recession
1990s kicked out of ERM
2000s banking crisis
weve always had turbulence since capitalism causes crises but in this revolution so far there arent any bodies on the street, no strikers a la France, no meltdown a la Greece. In Europe only Germany runs us close and they have their own sets of problems which will hit them hard in the next decade imo.
This week, we have an inward looking, scared, bigoted, economically threatened one.
And it's of our own making.
Last week, the articulate & comfortable believed we had a happy, liberal, prosperous country.
This week, the articulate & comfortable are taking a look at how the rest of the country feels.0 -
If she's arguing that the Leave vote will lead to Scottish independance then clearly Wales, having voted to Leave just as much as England, makes it equally "culpable".williamglenn said:
By situation I think she means the disintegration of the UK.brokenwheel said:
HaYellowSubmarine said:It's time to put Welsh independence on agenda – Leanne Wood
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"Even though this situation was not of our making"
Erm, how did Wales vote again?0 -
if only youd listened to our lumpy warnings you wouldn't be in this pickle.TOPPING said:Just heard Dan the Man repeating the mantra that EU yoke of oppression 300,000 net immigration = bad, UK sovereign answerable to no one 300,000 net immigration = good.
Now of course, he is right. It is up to us whoever we let in. Thing is, they may blather and bluster, but they used Nige to fight their anti-immigration proxy war (and sometimes got involved themselves, witness Turkey).
So although the theory is elegant, will the lumpenproletariat be happy?0 -
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Harold Macmillan was the most successful Housing Minister of the 20th.C in sheer numbers built http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2013/10/how-macmillan-built-300000-houses-a-year.html.Fishing said:If we really are heading for a significant slowdown in growth next year, or a recession, how about we try what we did in the 1930's - building enough houses to meet demand in parts of the country people want to live in?
I don't think governments then worried much about borrowing, they worried more about maintaining full employment. There was terror too of a large current account deficit.
We already had planning controls then; they were introduced in 1948.0 -
Not the Leave vote per se. If Scotland and NI had voted Leave too, then the UK wouldn't be facing this existential crisis.brokenwheel said:
If she's arguing that the Leave vote will lead to Scottish independance then clearly Wales, having voted to Leave just as much as England, makes it equally "culpable".williamglenn said:
By situation I think she means the disintegration of the UK.brokenwheel said:
HaYellowSubmarine said:It's time to put Welsh independence on agenda – Leanne Wood
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"Even though this situation was not of our making"
Erm, how did Wales vote again?
She's just posing the question of whether rUK = England and Wales, or just England left all on its own.0 -
so as a City chappy whats your current take on things ?TOPPING said:@Alanbrooke
no idea who said what in that exchange so god knows what I responded to..0 -
I'd heard Soames and Pickles prefer Snickers and Bounty bars ?Richard_Tyndall said:
I think he lives on Mars.
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I am in no pickle at all. What were the warnings? Beware Dan? Beware Nige?Alanbrooke said:
if only youd listened to our lumpy warnings you wouldn't be in this pickle.TOPPING said:Just heard Dan the Man repeating the mantra that EU yoke of oppression 300,000 net immigration = bad, UK sovereign answerable to no one 300,000 net immigration = good.
Now of course, he is right. It is up to us whoever we let in. Thing is, they may blather and bluster, but they used Nige to fight their anti-immigration proxy war (and sometimes got involved themselves, witness Turkey).
So although the theory is elegant, will the lumpenproletariat be happy?0 -
whereas you prefer Knickers and Bounty bras.JackW said:
I'd heard Soames and Pickles prefer Snickers and Bounty bars ?Richard_Tyndall said:
I think he lives on Mars.0 -
I am optimistic on England in Euro 2016. It will be the hope that kills me!0
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On the contrary, you and my facebook feed are obsessed with leaving the EU. I'm just pleased about it.Jobabob said:
You are obsessed with leaving the EU. Nothing else matters to you. Whatever the cost.Luckyguy1983 said:
Yes, that too, but you will come through this - we're all here for you.Jobabob said:
Nuts.0 -
Corbyn attacking Reagan and Thatcher...0
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Quality not quantity is the issue hereTOPPING said:Just heard Dan the Man repeating the mantra that EU yoke of oppression 300,000 net immigration = bad, UK sovereign answerable to no one 300,000 net immigration = good.
Now of course, he is right. It is up to us whoever we let in. Thing is, they may blather and bluster, but they used Nige to fight their anti-immigration proxy war (and sometimes got involved themselves, witness Turkey).
So although the theory is elegant, will the lumpenproletariat be happy?0 -
LOL. Yes you go on believing that. We only lost because they lied!! Mean beasties.YellowSubmarine said:Richard_Tyndall said:
That's really funny considering Wales voted pretty heavily for Leave.YellowSubmarine said:It's time to put Welsh independence on agenda – Leanne Wood
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My guess is Plaid has realised ( years too late ) that UKIP has leapfrogged them in the anger market. Leanne is clever and ( too ) decent. Brexit will only exacerbate what caused people to vote for Brexit in Wales. Once the EU is gone it'll be Westminster's turn. They've been admirably honest Wales is light years away from being financial independent but where has that got them. After watching Leave win she's probably concluded we're in post truth politics and she needs to be less principled.Richard_Tyndall said:
That's really funny considering Wales voted pretty heavily for Leave.YellowSubmarine said:It's time to put Welsh independence on agenda – Leanne Wood
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Newsflash. All politicians lie through their teeth all the time. Anyone who trusts any politician at all is a fool. We are not in a post truth era because there was never a truth era.
Its about time you grew up and took responsibility for yourself.0 -
Everything is always thatchers fault....RodCrosby said:Corbyn attacking Reagan and Thatcher...
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Really? You seem to believe blood > 'quality'.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Quality not quantity is the issue hereTOPPING said:Just heard Dan the Man repeating the mantra that EU yoke of oppression 300,000 net immigration = bad, UK sovereign answerable to no one 300,000 net immigration = good.
Now of course, he is right. It is up to us whoever we let in. Thing is, they may blather and bluster, but they used Nige to fight their anti-immigration proxy war (and sometimes got involved themselves, witness Turkey).
So although the theory is elegant, will the lumpenproletariat be happy?0 -
Hacks on Twitter have got a 'Jez voted Leave' story ready to run tomorrow. I usually enjoy stuff like this, but the complete and utter decimation of the economy is really taking the shine off Labour falling apart.0
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Penalty.....0
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Good evening all. Wales independent? Oh my giddy aunt no. I've been lamenting the calibre of English politicians, but the Welsh lot are not even pygmies. What's below pygmy? Muppet?Lowlander said:
People in Wales seem quite happy being a little part of England.YellowSubmarine said:It's time to put Welsh independence on agenda – Leanne Wood
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I am worried about investment, both inward and by UK companies. If you were about to sign off a project to do something or other significant, and previously there was a healthy positive IRR, now you would not be too sure. There are too many unknowns in the future environment that the UK will be conducting business in.Alanbrooke said:
so as a City chappy whats your current take on things ?TOPPING said:@Alanbrooke
no idea who said what in that exchange so god knows what I responded to..
EEA, WTO, Albania - all will be workable, thing is, all result in a different NPV of that project and many will result in no go decisions.
Oh and apart from the billions of pounds knocked off our pensions, the fall in equity of bank shares, and the likely subsequent increasing disinclination to lend, of course.0 -
Great start for England.0
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I presume MI5 got hold of his voting slip ;-)AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Hacks on Twitter have got a 'Jez voted Leave' story ready to run tomorrow. I usually enjoy stuff like this, but the complete and utter decimation of the economy is really taking the shine off Labour falling apart.
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1-0 England 4 mins. 50 years of pain....TCPoliticalBetting said:I am optimistic on England in Euro 2016. It will be the hope that kills me!
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Or not.TCPoliticalBetting said:
1-0 England 4 mins. 50 years of pain....TCPoliticalBetting said:I am optimistic on England in Euro 2016. It will be the hope that kills me!
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1-0 England 4 mins. 50 years of pain....TCPoliticalBetting said:I am optimistic on England in Euro 2016. It will be the hope that kills me!
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You were saying?TCPoliticalBetting said:
1-0 England 4 mins. 50 years of pain....TCPoliticalBetting said:I am optimistic on England in Euro 2016. It will be the hope that kills me!
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Iceland: 5 mins
Cod Wars again.
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England = execrable0
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We are never beating one of the big teams with our defence.0
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Crabb-Javid team first out of the traps...0
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In fairness it isn't only the wacky left who obsess over Thatcher, see the wacky RIght - but it is tiresome no matter who does it.FrancisUrquhart said:
Everything is always thatchers fault....RodCrosby said:Corbyn attacking Reagan and Thatcher...
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What can I say.Alanbrooke said:
whereas you prefer Knickers and Bounty bras.JackW said:
I'd heard Soames and Pickles prefer Snickers and Bounty bars ?Richard_Tyndall said:
I think he lives on Mars.
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Can we get rid of Britions we don't like, in exchange? If so, the non working WWC is in for a shock.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Quality not quantity is the issue hereTOPPING said:Just heard Dan the Man repeating the mantra that EU yoke of oppression 300,000 net immigration = bad, UK sovereign answerable to no one 300,000 net immigration = good.
Now of course, he is right. It is up to us whoever we let in. Thing is, they may blather and bluster, but they used Nige to fight their anti-immigration proxy war (and sometimes got involved themselves, witness Turkey).
So although the theory is elegant, will the lumpenproletariat be happy?0 -
Iceland are wearing the same colours that Wimbledon used to in their glory days - just saying....0
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Interesting.....RodCrosby said:Crabb-Javid team first out of the traps...
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Designed to finish off the Conservative party. Wet Crabb and Dithering Javid.RodCrosby said:Crabb-Javid team first out of the traps...
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No, it was always with us and is one, but not all, of the reasons, we have representative not direct democracy.Jobabob said:
Last week, we had a happy, liberal, prosperous, open country.Wanderer said:
Yes, but not intentionally. In this case we have deliberately brought a crisis on ourselves our of a clear sky.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true. The ERM crisis was entirely self inflicted.Wanderer said:
We've never willingly brought a crisis on ourselves though. At least not since 1642. Indeed, it's almost the essence of Toryism not to do such a thing.Alanbrooke said:
that;s simply not truerpjs said:
It seems to me that the saddest part of this entire fiasco is not that the UK will or may or may not leave the EU, or join EFTA or the EEA or a renewed Imperial Preference Sphere, but that we have just thrown away our reputation for stability. There really are very few countries in the world that can point to decades, let alone centuries of stable government. It was always part of Britain's appeal as a place to live and come to do business that we change through evolution, not revolution. Crises come and go, sometimes of our making, sometimes forced upon us, but we could always point out that we don't EVER decide to throw the toys out of the pram and have a political / constitutional meltdown just for shits and giggles.SeanT said:I think it's time some of the wobblier and more gelatinous of pb-ers got a bloody grip, the flailing and mewling on here has been pathetic. This is a great and ancient nation, we will prosper in time, as we have prospered before. The shackles of the EU have been struck from our limbs and now we can walk tall and free.
So stop this pitiful bedwettting and get on with it. You know who I mean.
*stops staring at mirror*
*climbs up Primrose Hill*
Until now.
It's a bit like the old saw about how do the Oxbridge colleges have such perfect lawns - they just do the same thing over and over again for hundreds of years. And now we've just poured a tonne (sorry, TON, now that we're free of the EU jackboot!) of paraquat onto our lawn...
1970s economic crisis and IMF
1980s war and recession
1990s kicked out of ERM
2000s banking crisis
weve always had turbulence since capitalism causes crises but in this revolution so far there arent any bodies on the street, no strikers a la France, no meltdown a la Greece. In Europe only Germany runs us close and they have their own sets of problems which will hit them hard in the next decade imo.
This week, we have an inward looking, scared, bigoted, economically threatened one.
And it's of our own making.0 -
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Who's Vinnie and Who's Gazza?Paul_Bedfordshire said:Iceland are wearing the same colours that Wimbledon used to in their glory days - just saying....
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Iceland are packed with whippet fast players of reasonable skill with the ball. They can have the ball in your box before you realise your not attacking their goal.0
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Well sensibly HMG needs to boost the economy.TOPPING said:
I am worried about investment, both inward and by UK companies. If you were about to sign off a project to do something or other significant, and previously there was a healthy positive IRR, now you would not be too sure. There are too many unknowns in the future environment that the UK will be conducting business in.Alanbrooke said:
so as a City chappy whats your current take on things ?TOPPING said:@Alanbrooke
no idea who said what in that exchange so god knows what I responded to..
EEA, WTO, Albania - all will be workable, thing is, all result in a different NPV of that project and many will result in no go decisions.
Oh and apart from the billions of pounds knocked off our pensions, the fall in equity of bank shares, and the likely subsequent increasing disinclination to lend, of course.
While we can still borrow cheaply we should be boosting infrastructure to tick things over. Once that gets going the rest of the economy will follow.
As for IRRs Ive seen enough of them to know its only to keep the accountants happy. There's no such thing as a guaranteed project.0 -
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You shouldn't be one of the prawn sandwich brigade & get to the match on time.Floater said:Turn football on 9 mins late and... 1 all!!!!!! WTF
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Yes. That's about the best that can be said.FrancisUrquhart said:
Interesting.....RodCrosby said:Crabb-Javid team first out of the traps...
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And even the politically obsessed are starting to say who to these names.dr_spyn said:yet another one goes.
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only if we can do a free lawyer with every chav deal.matt said:
Can we get rid of Britions we don't like, in exchange? If so, the non working WWC is in for a shock.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Quality not quantity is the issue hereTOPPING said:Just heard Dan the Man repeating the mantra that EU yoke of oppression 300,000 net immigration = bad, UK sovereign answerable to no one 300,000 net immigration = good.
Now of course, he is right. It is up to us whoever we let in. Thing is, they may blather and bluster, but they used Nige to fight their anti-immigration proxy war (and sometimes got involved themselves, witness Turkey).
So although the theory is elegant, will the lumpenproletariat be happy?0 -
No, intelligence, skills and qualifications are quality.williamglenn said:
Really? You seem to believe blood > 'quality'.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Quality not quantity is the issue hereTOPPING said:Just heard Dan the Man repeating the mantra that EU yoke of oppression 300,000 net immigration = bad, UK sovereign answerable to no one 300,000 net immigration = good.
Now of course, he is right. It is up to us whoever we let in. Thing is, they may blather and bluster, but they used Nige to fight their anti-immigration proxy war (and sometimes got involved themselves, witness Turkey).
So although the theory is elegant, will the lumpenproletariat be happy?
In particular where we actually need people with those skills and qualifications.
Not where they come over and live 12 to a flat doing semi skilled or unskilled jobs which they obtain by undercutting those already here driving down your wages0 -
So while England are playing at Euro 2016, one part of Labour is doing a rally and another part of Labour is trying to publicise their plot?dr_spyn said:yet another one goes.
https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/status/747507562107527168
They are so in touch with their voters.0 -
The only people responsible for Indivdual voters choices are voters themselves. They can exercise that choice on any basis they wish. I'm not arguing the vote is invalid because Leave lied. It's not. The success of Leave's systematic lying is in some ways more an incitement of the Remain campaign than them.Richard_Tyndall said:
LOL. Yes you go on believing that. We only lost because they lied!! Mean beasties.YellowSubmarine said:Richard_Tyndall said:
That's really funny considering Wales voted pretty heavily for Leave.YellowSubmarine said:It's time to put Welsh independence on agenda – Leanne Wood
http://gu.com/p/4mn3n?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
My guess is Plaid has realised ( years too late ) that UKIP has leapfrogged them in the anger market. Leanne is clever and ( too ) decent. Brexit will only exacerbate what caused people to vote for Brexit in Wales. Once the EU is gone it'll be Westminster's turn. They've been admirably honest Wales is light years away from being financial independent but where has that got them. After watching Leave win she's probably concluded we're in post truth politics and she needs to be less principled.Richard_Tyndall said:
That's really funny considering Wales voted pretty heavily for Leave.YellowSubmarine said:It's time to put Welsh independence on agenda – Leanne Wood
http://gu.com/p/4mn3n?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Newsflash. All politicians lie through their teeth all the time. Anyone who trusts any politician at all is a fool. We are not in a post truth era because there was never a truth era.
Its about time you grew up and took responsibility for yourself.
However in my opinion, nothing more, it was unlike any other political campaign I've witnessed in the UK in my life time. The quality and quantity of lies that individually would have destroyed a party in a GE campaign was stunning. Clearly many folk cared so little about EU membership that they neither knew nor cared in a way they would in a GE. That is of course largely the EU's and europhiles like myselfs fault.0 -
People tend to deal with the problems with which they’ve grown up. People like Macmillan had clrear memories of the thirties, so to them a avoiding the horrors of that sort of unemployment was a key feature, and the costs of doing so of less importance. Every so often on here someone raises the spectres of the Winter of Discontent and rampant inflation; those, in particular the latter, are what the present generation has as their bogeymen.rural_voter said:
Harold Macmillan was the most successful Housing Minister of the 20th.C in sheer numbers built http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2013/10/how-macmillan-built-300000-houses-a-year.html.Fishing said:If we really are heading for a significant slowdown in growth next year, or a recession, how about we try what we did in the 1930's - building enough houses to meet demand in parts of the country people want to live in?
I don't think governments then worried much about borrowing, they worried more about maintaining full employment. There was terror too of a large current account deficit.
We already had planning controls then; they were introduced in 1948.
What will be the “race memory” for the generation of political leaders who were young around the Millenium I wonder.0 -
Andrew Mitchell reckons 9 candidates will come forward...0
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If only he had used a pen...schoolboy error.FrancisUrquhart said:
I presume MI5 got hold of his voting slip ;-)AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Hacks on Twitter have got a 'Jez voted Leave' story ready to run tomorrow. I usually enjoy stuff like this, but the complete and utter decimation of the economy is really taking the shine off Labour falling apart.
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And even the politically obsessed are starting to say who to these names.dr_spyn said:yet another one goes.
https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/status/747507562107527168
Indeed. They could make up names now and we wouldn't know any better...
Mick Mouse has quit has Shadow Arts Minister.
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The Momentum lot think half the population are like them, whilst the Parliamentary party expect the working class to shuffle into the voting booths and dutifully put the cross by the Labour candidate.Lowlander said:
So while England are playing at Euro 2016, one part of Labour is doing a rally and another part of Labour is trying to publicise their plot?dr_spyn said:yet another one goes.
https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/status/747507562107527168
They are so in touch with their voters.0 -
Agreed.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Designed to finish off the Conservative party. Wet Crabb and Dithering Javid.RodCrosby said:Crabb-Javid team first out of the traps...
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I'm just stunned at how bloated the ministerial ranks have become. Is there anyone in the Labour party who isn't a shadow minister? The buggers are coming in and out faster than I can learn their names.MarkHopkins said:FrancisUrquhart said:
And even the politically obsessed are starting to say who to these names.dr_spyn said:yet another one goes.
https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/status/747507562107527168
Indeed. They could make up names now and we wouldn't know any better...
Mick Mouse has quit has Shadow Arts Minister.0 -
Crickey have we been doping our players in the week off...not seem them this pumped for years.0
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ffs0
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Oh dear.0
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It is the hope that is killing me.
1-2 to Iceland.
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I see Osborne has sent in his reserves.0
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Goodness, Island ahead again.0
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Joe Hart crap.0
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I was tempted to top up when Iceland went to 25/1.
Really wish I'd been faster.0 -
Sterling lowering in value.0
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I wonder if Crabb and Javid are Osborne's stop Boris team?numbertwelve said:
Agreed.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Designed to finish off the Conservative party. Wet Crabb and Dithering Javid.RodCrosby said:Crabb-Javid team first out of the traps...
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Neutrals must be LOVING this.
And everyone in Brussels.0 -
numbertwelve said:
Agreed.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Designed to finish off the Conservative party. Wet Crabb and Dithering Javid.RodCrosby said:Crabb-Javid team first out of the traps...
An alternative view might be that they are best placed to capture the middle ground where elections can be won.numbertwelve said:
Agreed.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Designed to finish off the Conservative party. Wet Crabb and Dithering Javid.RodCrosby said:Crabb-Javid team first out of the traps...
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