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When, in my youth, I was employed by a company to conduct publicity voxpops I struggled to find any willing participant during the day who had a job. This was a severe challenge because I was supposed to come back with a mix of occupations. I hated doing them and found another job soon after. Getting a decent mix of ten voxpops during office hours often took several hours.Fenster said:
It was the same when the BBC vox-popped people in Barnsley earlier.RodCrosby said:Sky Reporter: everyone in Ashby (Leics) I spoke to is voting Leave.
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As in directly over or that it's just visible from Trafalgar square? Big difference.TheScreamingEagles said:Apparently Vote Leave have flown a plane over the Jo Cox memorial in Trafalgar Square
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I think Leave would have accepted that 100 times out of 100 if offered it as the eve of poll position....TheScreamingEagles said:EU referendum poll:
Remain: 44% (-)
Leave: 45% (+1)
(via Opinium, online / 20 - 22 Jun)
Horrible 36 hours ahead for Cameron. "It's a coin toss, Prime Minister...."0 -
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Like SeanT said Remain have been milking this killing, so..Theuniondivvie said:
Obviously a case of mistaken identity by someone.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Rubbish, its flying down the Thames, I saw it near the Tower of London just after 4pmScrapheap_as_was said:thank god this is over soon...
stellacreasy @stellacreasy · 5m5 minutes ago
.@voteleave flying your plane over the memorial tribute to Jo Cox in Trafalgar Square is beyond low. Have some self respect and disappear!
Nicholas Soames @nsoamesmp · 4m
@stellacreasy @voteleave what absolute shits
https://twitter.com/SkyHarriet/status/745640254636462080
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It flew the union jack..... enough for some councils:saddened said:
Wow! What did the British airways banner say?taffys said:I'm sure British Airways have flown over multiple times too.
How dare they flout St. Jo's memory in this way? Shouldn;t all airlines be grounded, actually?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3592466/Council-BANS-bin-lorry-emblazoned-Union-Flag-case-influences-EU-referendum.html0 -
Lots of DKs in that sample.MarqueeMark said:
I think Leave would have accepted that 100 times out of 100 if offered it as the eve of poll position....TheScreamingEagles said:EU referendum poll:
Remain: 44% (-)
Leave: 45% (+1)
(via Opinium, online / 20 - 22 Jun)
Horrible 36 hours ahead for Cameron. "It's a coin toss, Prime Minister...."
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That is looking towards the Thames from Trafalgar Square. That being said, I suspect the pilot of the plane said something like "oooohhhh... there's a large crowd of people, let's fly near it"Theuniondivvie said:
Obviously a case of mistaken identity by someone.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Rubbish, its flying down the Thames, I saw it near the Tower of London just after 4pmScrapheap_as_was said:thank god this is over soon...
stellacreasy @stellacreasy · 5m5 minutes ago
.@voteleave flying your plane over the memorial tribute to Jo Cox in Trafalgar Square is beyond low. Have some self respect and disappear!
Nicholas Soames @nsoamesmp · 4m
@stellacreasy @voteleave what absolute shits
https://twitter.com/SkyHarriet/status/7456402546364620800 -
Can we stop with the shroud waveing about the plane? Remain were doing exactly the same in Central London earlier today.0
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Of course they don't, but how hard is it to show some respect? Even if they think the rally is an attempt to influence the referendum.Luckyguy1983 said:
Remains have totally lost the plot, do they think they own the skies over London as well as Trafalgar Square? Dear God abovercs1000 said:
I've seen it twice, I think it's just flying around town.Slackbladder said:Are they actually buzzing Nelsons Column or are they just flying generally over London?
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Very generous usage of the term "overhead"Theuniondivvie said:
Obviously a case of mistaken identity by someone.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Rubbish, its flying down the Thames, I saw it near the Tower of London just after 4pmScrapheap_as_was said:thank god this is over soon...
stellacreasy @stellacreasy · 5m5 minutes ago
.@voteleave flying your plane over the memorial tribute to Jo Cox in Trafalgar Square is beyond low. Have some self respect and disappear!
Nicholas Soames @nsoamesmp · 4m
@stellacreasy @voteleave what absolute shits
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You laugh but any BBC vox pop in an urban area appears to be done at 1100am on a business day. I'm rarely sure that the elderly and unemployed cover the whole scope of opinons.Freggles said:0 -
The words of a man who knows he has lost, and so isn't even bothering to pretend anymore.Tissue_Price said:Does Juncker actually want us to leave? Or is this just him assuming a Remain and defending his position in advance?
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errr wont that be wonderful Mikey Grove on Friday when you have the one big happy family reunion ? Pally backslapping and drinks at the bar etc.TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the general shittiness of Vote Leave, cf Gove, I put nothing past themCharles said:
Do you think they were actually flying over London vs buzzing the memorial?TheScreamingEagles said:Apparently Vote Leave have flown a plane over the Jo Cox memorial in Trafalgar Square
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Farage must be seriously worried about a leave win, he has been trying to wreck their campaign all day...Theuniondivvie said:
Obviously a case of mistaken identity by someone.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Rubbish, its flying down the Thames, I saw it near the Tower of London just after 4pmScrapheap_as_was said:thank god this is over soon...
stellacreasy @stellacreasy · 5m5 minutes ago
.@voteleave flying your plane over the memorial tribute to Jo Cox in Trafalgar Square is beyond low. Have some self respect and disappear!
Nicholas Soames @nsoamesmp · 4m
@stellacreasy @voteleave what absolute shits
https://twitter.com/SkyHarriet/status/7456402546364620800 -
The comments on this forum are so full of the number voting leave and if they are correct then leave have won. However, it mates were for leave and I was remain I doubt I would want to fall out with them. Tomorrow will show whether the leavers were leavers or shy remainersFreggles said:0 -
The final Brexit vote report for our readers:
http://www.iam-media.com/Blog/Detail.aspx?g=fca4e56d-4b7d-4e66-9bf0-66da1f40039b0 -
Remain are going to win in the UK but lose in England. That's what it looks like at the moment.MarqueeMark said:
I think Leave would have accepted that 100 times out of 100 if offered it as the eve of poll position....TheScreamingEagles said:EU referendum poll:
Remain: 44% (-)
Leave: 45% (+1)
(via Opinium, online / 20 - 22 Jun)
Horrible 36 hours ahead for Cameron. "It's a coin toss, Prime Minister...."0 -
Would that be enough for Remain? If high turnout in the shires, which will be heavily for Leave, happens, Labour areas need to both turnout high and have overwhelming Remain stakes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Kay Burley of Sky saying to Boris latest poll says 70% of labour voters are remain and he seemed taken aback. Where is this poll as I haven't seen it
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Of course they don't, but how hard is it to show some respect? Even if they think the rally is an attempt to influence the referendum.
In this case, the people who are not showing respect are the people holding the memorial. Why get in the way of a democratic campaign?
There have already been umpteen tributes before the vote, why not hold the memorial after it?
Unless of course its a nakedly political attempt to hijack a sad death.0 -
Nope. Leavers want Osborne out. Remainers want Gove and Patel sacked.Alanbrooke said:
errr wont that be wonderful Mikey Grove on Friday when you have the one big happy family reunion ? Pally backslapping and drinks at the bar etc.TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the general shittiness of Vote Leave, cf Gove, I put nothing past themCharles said:
Do you think they were actually flying over London vs buzzing the memorial?TheScreamingEagles said:Apparently Vote Leave have flown a plane over the Jo Cox memorial in Trafalgar Square
I'll be quite happy if Gove was made Northern Ireland Secretary0 -
Brilliant! Dogfight over London...Theuniondivvie said:
Obviously a case of mistaken identity by someone.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Rubbish, its flying down the Thames, I saw it near the Tower of London just after 4pmScrapheap_as_was said:thank god this is over soon...
stellacreasy @stellacreasy · 5m5 minutes ago
.@voteleave flying your plane over the memorial tribute to Jo Cox in Trafalgar Square is beyond low. Have some self respect and disappear!
Nicholas Soames @nsoamesmp · 4m
@stellacreasy @voteleave what absolute shits
https://twitter.com/SkyHarriet/status/745640254636462080
memo to the Cox martyrologists. Don't ever think you can take over one of the country's greatest democratic public spaces. You don't own it. You can borrow it... perhaps.
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In defence of polling ...... < The polls called last year’s election wrong. Will they get the referendum right?
http://gu.com/p/4mdzx?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard0 -
Leave plane vs Remain Outrage Bus.RoyalBlue said:Can we stop with the shroud waveing about the plane? Remain were doing exactly the same in Central London earlier today.
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70% Labour for Remain would mean Remain win IMHO.kle4 said:
Would that be enough for Remain? If high turnout in the shires, which will be heavily for Leave, happens, Labour areas need to both turnout high and have overwhelming Remain stakes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Kay Burley of Sky saying to Boris latest poll says 70% of labour voters are remain and he seemed taken aback. Where is this poll as I haven't seen it
85% LD/SNP/Green for Remain
70% Labour
40% Conservative
1% UKIP
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In the second pic the 2 aircraft are heading towards Trafalgar Square, and unless they made a sudden manoeuvre would have been overhead in about 3 seconds. It would take generosity of Warren Buffet proportions not to describe that as overhead.RobD said:
Very generous usage of the term "overhead"Theuniondivvie said:
Obviously a case of mistaken identity by someone.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Rubbish, its flying down the Thames, I saw it near the Tower of London just after 4pmScrapheap_as_was said:thank god this is over soon...
stellacreasy @stellacreasy · 5m5 minutes ago
.@voteleave flying your plane over the memorial tribute to Jo Cox in Trafalgar Square is beyond low. Have some self respect and disappear!
Nicholas Soames @nsoamesmp · 4m
@stellacreasy @voteleave what absolute shits
twitter.com/SkyHarriet/status/7456402546364620800 -
That could have been a quarter of a mile away. Navy helecopters fly up and down over the Thames all the time. At that sort of altitude it looks right on top of youTheuniondivvie said:
Obviously a case of mistaken identity by someone.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Rubbish, its flying down the Thames, I saw it near the Tower of London just after 4pmScrapheap_as_was said:thank god this is over soon...
stellacreasy @stellacreasy · 5m5 minutes ago
.@voteleave flying your plane over the memorial tribute to Jo Cox in Trafalgar Square is beyond low. Have some self respect and disappear!
Nicholas Soames @nsoamesmp · 4m
@stellacreasy @voteleave what absolute shits
https://twitter.com/SkyHarriet/status/7456402546364620800 -
Remainers in panic as extra-special rally goes pear-shaped. HIghlights the politicalisation of the sad killing.rcs1000 said:
That is looking towards the Thames from Trafalgar Square. That being said, I suspect the pilot of the plane said something like "oooohhhh... there's a large crowd of people, let's fly near it"Theuniondivvie said:
Obviously a case of mistaken identity by someone.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Rubbish, its flying down the Thames, I saw it near the Tower of London just after 4pmScrapheap_as_was said:thank god this is over soon...
stellacreasy @stellacreasy · 5m5 minutes ago
.@voteleave flying your plane over the memorial tribute to Jo Cox in Trafalgar Square is beyond low. Have some self respect and disappear!
Nicholas Soames @nsoamesmp · 4m
@stellacreasy @voteleave what absolute shits
https://twitter.com/SkyHarriet/status/7456402546364620800 -
Interesting post.Jobabob said:
When, in my youth, I was employed by a company to conduct publicity voxpops I struggled to find any willing participant during the day who had a job. This was a severe challenge because I was supposed to come back with a mix of occupations. I hated doing them and found another job soon after. Getting a decent mix of ten voxpops during office hours often took several hours.Fenster said:
It was the same when the BBC vox-popped people in Barnsley earlier.RodCrosby said:Sky Reporter: everyone in Ashby (Leics) I spoke to is voting Leave.
I wonder why they bother with vox pops - the news is quite start, rarely is there time to cover a complex story in any depth, and vox pops eat in considerably to the the presentation time. Would make much more sense to have one of those dreaded experts witter on for 30 seconds than a bunch of not-actually-random (and therefore unlikely to be truly representative) people.
I assumed vox pops were just cheaper, but you're making it sound like that isn't the overriding reason!0 -
Do you want to end the union? That's how you do it, heh.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope. Leavers want Osborne out. Remainers want Gove and Patel sacked.Alanbrooke said:
errr wont that be wonderful Mikey Grove on Friday when you have the one big happy family reunion ? Pally backslapping and drinks at the bar etc.TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the general shittiness of Vote Leave, cf Gove, I put nothing past themCharles said:
Do you think they were actually flying over London vs buzzing the memorial?TheScreamingEagles said:Apparently Vote Leave have flown a plane over the Jo Cox memorial in Trafalgar Square
I'll be quite happy if Gove was made Northern Ireland Secretary0 -
Her husband has an er "interesting" recent past. All for charity of course.SeanT said:
I don't think anyone gives a, um, flying f*ck any more. I couldn't believe, when I got back from Calabria, yesterday, that the news was still banging on about poor Jo Cox, this time it was her husband crying on TV.Scrapheap_as_was said:thank god this is over soon...
stellacreasy @stellacreasy · 5m5 minutes ago
.@voteleave flying your plane over the memorial tribute to Jo Cox in Trafalgar Square is beyond low. Have some self respect and disappear!
Nicholas Soames @nsoamesmp · 4m
@stellacreasy @voteleave what absolute shits
It was a horrible murder, and a terrible crime, and those motherless kids deserve all the hugs in the universe, but, really, get a grip. Her death is now very clearly being exploited, indeed over-exploited, by the REMAINIANS.
A memorial tribute to her, in Trafalgar Square, THE DAY BEFORE THE VOTE??
Eww. Ugh. Pfff. Enuff. They can fly a zillion zeppelins for all I care. We have a nation's future to decide.0 -
"Asked about the consequences of a Brexit vote, Mr Juncker made it clear there would be no scope for further negotiations over better terms to try to keep the UK on board... "Out is out"...kle4 said:
The words of a man who knows he has lost, and so isn't even bothering to pretend anymore.Tissue_Price said:Does Juncker actually want us to leave? Or is this just him assuming a Remain and defending his position in advance?
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/745617756863725568
It is understood Mr Juncker was not referring to the prospect of future reforms in the event of the UK voting to remain in the EU, something Mr Cameron has insisted will continue."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36599300
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I thought you liked Gove.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope. Leavers want Osborne out. Remainers want Gove and Patel sacked.Alanbrooke said:
errr wont that be wonderful Mikey Grove on Friday when you have the one big happy family reunion ? Pally backslapping and drinks at the bar etc.TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the general shittiness of Vote Leave, cf Gove, I put nothing past themCharles said:
Do you think they were actually flying over London vs buzzing the memorial?TheScreamingEagles said:Apparently Vote Leave have flown a plane over the Jo Cox memorial in Trafalgar Square
I'll be quite happy if Gove was made Northern Ireland Secretary
Anyway, I've just made may first bet ever with Paddy Power, who absurdly offered me to 3-1 for Brexit.0 -
The plane is almost certainly an accident by Leave. They won't have done it deliberately. Can we move on?MarqueeMark said:
Leave plane vs Remain Outrage Bus.RoyalBlue said:Can we stop with the shroud waveing about the plane? Remain were doing exactly the same in Central London earlier today.
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Based on the assumption the first picture was taken firstTheuniondivvie said:
In the second pic the 2 aircraft are heading towards Trafalgar Square, and unless they made a sudden manoeuvre would have been overhead in about 3 seconds. It would take generosity of Warren Buffet proportions not to describe that as overhead.RobD said:
Very generous usage of the term "overhead"Theuniondivvie said:
Obviously a case of mistaken identity by someone.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Rubbish, its flying down the Thames, I saw it near the Tower of London just after 4pmScrapheap_as_was said:thank god this is over soon...
stellacreasy @stellacreasy · 5m5 minutes ago
.@voteleave flying your plane over the memorial tribute to Jo Cox in Trafalgar Square is beyond low. Have some self respect and disappear!
Nicholas Soames @nsoamesmp · 4m
@stellacreasy @voteleave what absolute shits
twitter.com/SkyHarriet/status/745640254636462080
Also, I don't think there would be possible to get the angle on the first picture from Trafalgar square if it was taken *after* they had passed over.0 -
By the same token will NI after a Leave win go to a Remainer? Exciting job!TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope. Leavers want Osborne out. Remainers want Gove and Patel sacked.Alanbrooke said:
errr wont that be wonderful Mikey Grove on Friday when you have the one big happy family reunion ? Pally backslapping and drinks at the bar etc.TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the general shittiness of Vote Leave, cf Gove, I put nothing past themCharles said:
Do you think they were actually flying over London vs buzzing the memorial?TheScreamingEagles said:Apparently Vote Leave have flown a plane over the Jo Cox memorial in Trafalgar Square
I'll be quite happy if Gove was made Northern Ireland Secretary0 -
I know others on both sides disagree with me but I have never considered the anecdotal evidence as anything other than wishful thinking. There are so many factors playing into how people interact with someone in the street that I really don't think it is possible to draw any meaningful conclusions.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The comments on this forum are so full of the number voting leave and if they are correct then leave have won. However, it mates were for leave and I was remain I doubt I would want to fall out with them. Tomorrow will show whether the leavers were leavers or shy remainersFreggles said:
Obviously I would love to be wrong but I will only believe that Leave have won when the official call is made in Manchester0 -
Looking ahead, after Remain wins and the Eurozone collapses around Greek default, contagion takes affect and the working classes revolt on the streets of Lisbon, Rome and Paris, I suspect Gove may be able to correctly suggest he won the intellectual argument.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope. Leavers want Osborne out. Remainers want Gove and Patel sacked.Alanbrooke said:
errr wont that be wonderful Mikey Grove on Friday when you have the one big happy family reunion ? Pally backslapping and drinks at the bar etc.TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the general shittiness of Vote Leave, cf Gove, I put nothing past themCharles said:
Do you think they were actually flying over London vs buzzing the memorial?TheScreamingEagles said:Apparently Vote Leave have flown a plane over the Jo Cox memorial in Trafalgar Square
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I liked Gove, but his Nick Griffin lite campaign has diminished him greatly.Sean_F said:
I thought you liked Gove.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope. Leavers want Osborne out. Remainers want Gove and Patel sacked.Alanbrooke said:
errr wont that be wonderful Mikey Grove on Friday when you have the one big happy family reunion ? Pally backslapping and drinks at the bar etc.TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the general shittiness of Vote Leave, cf Gove, I put nothing past themCharles said:
Do you think they were actually flying over London vs buzzing the memorial?TheScreamingEagles said:Apparently Vote Leave have flown a plane over the Jo Cox memorial in Trafalgar Square
I'll be quite happy if Gove was made Northern Ireland Secretary
Anyway, I've just made may first bet ever with Paddy Power, who absurdly offered me to 3-1 for Brexit.
I see he's going to apologise for his Nazi comments.0 -
Thanks for that, Mr. Robert a very interesting and informative post.rcs1000 said:
I spend a lot of time with EU politicians, and mostly they're obsessed with their own problems. They want to make the Eurozone work, within the limits imposed by their own electorates. Most of all, they want to get re-elected, and they don't want the train to come off the track.HurstLlama said:
I tend to agree but the question is why did that not happen? Perhaps because Cameron didn't want it so he never asked. Perhaps because the EU would have refused it utterly. Who knows we will have to wait for the memoirs and the historians.rcs1000 said:
This has been my view throughout: us leaving the EU would be good for both us and the rest of the EU.SeanT said:A fine and lucid essay by a Galician professor (Jean Monnet chairholder!) asking the Brits to leave, for the sake of Britain, and for the future of democracy in Europe.
http://capx.co/please-leave-a-letter-to-the-uk-from-the-scorched-lands/
The biggest mistake that was made was not using this as an opportunity to change the EU into Eurozone plus Associate Members. Not two speed, but two destinations. One a political union, the other an economic one.
We would have taken Sweden and Denmark with us for sure, and possibly Poland.
They are certainly not doctrinaire. Schauble, and most senior German politicians, would rather Greece had chosen to leave the Euro than to stay. They thought Grexit would make the Eurozone stronger, rather than weaker, and would free up resources to use on countries that had gone through painful reform programmes.
If David Cameron had gone to Copenhagen and Stockholm and put together a non-Eurozone grouping, and then gone together to discuss with the Eurozone states about what could be done to enable: (a) the EZ to make the reforms it needs to survive, and (b) how non-EZ countries could opt out of the political union, I think it would have been welcomed rather than rebuffed. Simply, Schauble and Macron don't want to spend their time arguing with Cameron, they want to fix the problems they have.
So, why didn't this happen?
Because Cameron wanted to get the Euro "thing" done and behind him. Formally changing the EU treaties into Eurozone and Associate Member would have involved years of negotiating between the non-EZ countries, and a whole new treaty. 2020 would be a best case scenario, and 2022 might have been more likely.
If it is a narrow Remain, as seems likely, changing the treaties to enshrine the Associate Member status is still a necessity. We need to build an alliance of non-Eurozone countries. And I would hope that is what the sensible Leavers in the Conservative Party will have as their goal in such a situation.
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Well, as a firm supporter of the U.K and an ENglishman, I will accept that.AndyJS said:
Remain are going to win in the UK but lose in England. That's what it looks like at the moment.MarqueeMark said:
I think Leave would have accepted that 100 times out of 100 if offered it as the eve of poll position....TheScreamingEagles said:EU referendum poll:
Remain: 44% (-)
Leave: 45% (+1)
(via Opinium, online / 20 - 22 Jun)
Horrible 36 hours ahead for Cameron. "It's a coin toss, Prime Minister...."0 -
I suspect they changed course where the river did. At that altitude aircraft & choppers tend to fly directly over the river thames following all its bends and loops.Theuniondivvie said:
In the second pic the 2 aircraft are heading towards Trafalgar Square, and unless they made a sudden manoeuvre would have been overhead in about 3 seconds. It would take generosity of Warren Buffet proportions not to describe that as overhead.RobD said:
Very generous usage of the term "overhead"Theuniondivvie said:
Obviously a case of mistaken identity by someone.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Rubbish, its flying down the Thames, I saw it near the Tower of London just after 4pmScrapheap_as_was said:thank god this is over soon...
stellacreasy @stellacreasy · 5m5 minutes ago
.@voteleave flying your plane over the memorial tribute to Jo Cox in Trafalgar Square is beyond low. Have some self respect and disappear!
Nicholas Soames @nsoamesmp · 4m
@stellacreasy @voteleave what absolute shits
twitter.com/SkyHarriet/status/745640254636462080
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Regional Increases in the Electoral Roll (since last May)
SE England.............. 63,598
SW England............. 57,243
East England........... 33,128
East Midlands...........30,853
Northern Ireland...... 24,190
London.................... 16,459
West Midlands.......... 13,914
Yorks and Humber....11,514
NE England................10,501
NW England................. 7,505
Wales......................... - 11,697
Scotland..................... -112,634
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The unknown is turnout. If it's higher than a general election, which way will the new voters break?rcs1000 said:
70% Labour for Remain would mean Remain win IMHO.kle4 said:
Would that be enough for Remain? If high turnout in the shires, which will be heavily for Leave, happens, Labour areas need to both turnout high and have overwhelming Remain stakes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Kay Burley of Sky saying to Boris latest poll says 70% of labour voters are remain and he seemed taken aback. Where is this poll as I haven't seen it
85% LD/SNP/Green for Remain
70% Labour
40% Conservative
1% UKIP
= Remain 53-53%0 -
That is backed up by Yougov. See here: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/21/yougov-referendum-model/.kle4 said:
Would that be enough for Remain? If high turnout in the shires, which will be heavily for Leave, happens, Labour areas need to both turnout high and have overwhelming Remain stakes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Kay Burley of Sky saying to Boris latest poll says 70% of labour voters are remain and he seemed taken aback. Where is this poll as I haven't seen it
Contrarily, the Conservatives are perhaps 60% Leave and essentially all UKIPers are Leave0 -
Context is king and trying to compare this to aircraft on final approach to Heathrow is nonsense. Think about how it will look on TV media. Of course, that may be the tactic.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
That could have been a quarter of a mile away. Navy helecopters fly up and down over the Thames all the time. At that sort of altitude it looks right on top of youTheuniondivvie said:
Obviously a case of mistaken identity by someone.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Rubbish, its flying down the Thames, I saw it near the Tower of London just after 4pmScrapheap_as_was said:thank god this is over soon...
stellacreasy @stellacreasy · 5m5 minutes ago
.@voteleave flying your plane over the memorial tribute to Jo Cox in Trafalgar Square is beyond low. Have some self respect and disappear!
Nicholas Soames @nsoamesmp · 4m
@stellacreasy @voteleave what absolute shits
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Remain 53-53% is either a very narrow margin of error, or a vote often electorate!rcs1000 said:
70% Labour for Remain would mean Remain win IMHO.kle4 said:
Would that be enough for Remain? If high turnout in the shires, which will be heavily for Leave, happens, Labour areas need to both turnout high and have overwhelming Remain stakes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Kay Burley of Sky saying to Boris latest poll says 70% of labour voters are remain and he seemed taken aback. Where is this poll as I haven't seen it
85% LD/SNP/Green for Remain
70% Labour
40% Conservative
1% UKIP
= Remain 53-53%0 -
Hanretty's 50-50 model implies
England: 48.4% remain.0 -
I'd say 75/25 for Lib Dem, Green/SNP. That takes the lead down to 51% or so.williamglenn said:
The unknown is turnout. If it's higher than a general election, which way will the new voters break?rcs1000 said:
70% Labour for Remain would mean Remain win IMHO.kle4 said:
Would that be enough for Remain? If high turnout in the shires, which will be heavily for Leave, happens, Labour areas need to both turnout high and have overwhelming Remain stakes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Kay Burley of Sky saying to Boris latest poll says 70% of labour voters are remain and he seemed taken aback. Where is this poll as I haven't seen it
85% LD/SNP/Green for Remain
70% Labour
40% Conservative
1% UKIP
= Remain 53-53%0 -
Yes. Anecdotal evidence is no evidence.Richard_Tyndall said:
I know others on both sides disagree with me but I have never considered the anecdotal evidence as anything other than wishful thinking. There are so many factors playing into how people interact with someone in the street that I really don't think it is possible to draw any meaningful conclusions.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The comments on this forum are so full of the number voting leave and if they are correct then leave have won. However, it mates were for leave and I was remain I doubt I would want to fall out with them. Tomorrow will show whether the leavers were leavers or shy remainersFreggles said:
Obviously I would love to be wrong but I will only believe that Leave have won when the official call is made in Manchester0 -
Exactly, differential turnout is highly likely to favour Leave.williamglenn said:
The unknown is turnout. If it's higher than a general election, which way will the new voters break?rcs1000 said:
70% Labour for Remain would mean Remain win IMHO.kle4 said:
Would that be enough for Remain? If high turnout in the shires, which will be heavily for Leave, happens, Labour areas need to both turnout high and have overwhelming Remain stakes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Kay Burley of Sky saying to Boris latest poll says 70% of labour voters are remain and he seemed taken aback. Where is this poll as I haven't seen it
85% LD/SNP/Green for Remain
70% Labour
40% Conservative
1% UKIP
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Agreed - its just so symptomatic of the poisonous nature of the referendum.Jobabob said:
The plane is almost certainly an accident by Leave. They won't have done it deliberately. Can we move on?MarqueeMark said:
Leave plane vs Remain Outrage Bus.RoyalBlue said:Can we stop with the shroud waveing about the plane? Remain were doing exactly the same in Central London earlier today.
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It was years ago but certainly wasn't cheap from my experience –doing them was tortuous and very time-consuming, because my employer (quite reasonably) insisted on something that at least gave a nod to a representative sample. You would occasionally find someone normal who would speak to you but then when you told her she was going to be filmed she'd refuse. Most people refused point-blank as they were rushing from one place to the next. As I say, doing the requisite ten voxpops often took several hours and I found the job so frustrating I quickly looked for another job.MyBurningEars said:
Interesting post.Jobabob said:
When, in my youth, I was employed by a company to conduct publicity voxpops I struggled to find any willing participant during the day who had a job. This was a severe challenge because I was supposed to come back with a mix of occupations. I hated doing them and found another job soon after. Getting a decent mix of ten voxpops during office hours often took several hours.Fenster said:
It was the same when the BBC vox-popped people in Barnsley earlier.RodCrosby said:Sky Reporter: everyone in Ashby (Leics) I spoke to is voting Leave.
I wonder why they bother with vox pops - the news is quite start, rarely is there time to cover a complex story in any depth, and vox pops eat in considerably to the the presentation time. Would make much more sense to have one of those dreaded experts witter on for 30 seconds than a bunch of not-actually-random (and therefore unlikely to be truly representative) people.
I assumed vox pops were just cheaper, but you're making it sound like that isn't the overriding reason!0 -
You're better than that.TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the general shittiness of Vote Leave, cf Gove, I put nothing past themCharles said:
Do you think they were actually flying over London vs buzzing the memorial?TheScreamingEagles said:Apparently Vote Leave have flown a plane over the Jo Cox memorial in Trafalgar Square
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It could be the 1% UKIP that clinches itSean_F said:
I'd say 75/25 for Lib Dem, Green/SNP. That takes the lead down to 51% or so.williamglenn said:
The unknown is turnout. If it's higher than a general election, which way will the new voters break?rcs1000 said:
70% Labour for Remain would mean Remain win IMHO.kle4 said:
Would that be enough for Remain? If high turnout in the shires, which will be heavily for Leave, happens, Labour areas need to both turnout high and have overwhelming Remain stakes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Kay Burley of Sky saying to Boris latest poll says 70% of labour voters are remain and he seemed taken aback. Where is this poll as I haven't seen it
85% LD/SNP/Green for Remain
70% Labour
40% Conservative
1% UKIP
= Remain 53-53%
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anecdoteWanderer said:
Yes. Anecdotal evidence is no evidence.Richard_Tyndall said:
I know others on both sides disagree with me but I have never considered the anecdotal evidence as anything other than wishful thinking. There are so many factors playing into how people interact with someone in the street that I really don't think it is possible to draw any meaningful conclusions.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The comments on this forum are so full of the number voting leave and if they are correct then leave have won. However, it mates were for leave and I was remain I doubt I would want to fall out with them. Tomorrow will show whether the leavers were leavers or shy remainersFreggles said:
Obviously I would love to be wrong but I will only believe that Leave have won when the official call is made in Manchester
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Agreed. Well put.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Agreed - its just so symptomatic of the poisonous nature of the referendum.Jobabob said:
The plane is almost certainly an accident by Leave. They won't have done it deliberately. Can we move on?MarqueeMark said:
Leave plane vs Remain Outrage Bus.RoyalBlue said:Can we stop with the shroud waveing about the plane? Remain were doing exactly the same in Central London earlier today.
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I'm with David Allen GreenScrapheap_as_was said:
Agreed - its just so symptomatic of the poisonous nature of the referendum.Jobabob said:
The plane is almost certainly an accident by Leave. They won't have done it deliberately. Can we move on?MarqueeMark said:
Leave plane vs Remain Outrage Bus.RoyalBlue said:Can we stop with the shroud waveing about the plane? Remain were doing exactly the same in Central London earlier today.
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Patel certainly, Mordaunt too. Absolutely no Government role for Boris.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope. Leavers want Osborne out. Remainers want Gove and Patel sacked.Alanbrooke said:
errr wont that be wonderful Mikey Grove on Friday when you have the one big happy family reunion ? Pally backslapping and drinks at the bar etc.TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the general shittiness of Vote Leave, cf Gove, I put nothing past themCharles said:
Do you think they were actually flying over London vs buzzing the memorial?TheScreamingEagles said:Apparently Vote Leave have flown a plane over the Jo Cox memorial in Trafalgar Square
I'll be quite happy if Gove was made Northern Ireland Secretary
Gove, well, a greyer area - if he apologises for some of his wilder comments then he could have a role in the unifying process. Unifying the country on Friday looks like a huge challenge whatever the result.
On the other hand, people like Grayling, Whittingdale, and Raab have conducted themselves with dignity - keep them in place, and put Leadsom straight into cabinet.0 -
If you hear "One hundred" at the start of the Sunderland count, it means one side or the other is in the shit and turnout will be high.0
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I really have no idea but my instinct says that leave will win but we will see. However, what we do know is that the UK is horribly divided and will not be easily united. I believe the chaos following a leave vote will be mirrored throughout Europe and a coalition of all parties may need to be created to resolve with the EU the way forward and to obtain political consensus. Someone was saying that unwinding the laws would take decades and that the make up of the HOC and the Lords would bring everything to a grinding halt.kle4 said:
Would that be enough for Remain? If high turnout in the shires, which will be heavily for Leave, happens, Labour areas need to both turnout high and have overwhelming Remain stakes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Kay Burley of Sky saying to Boris latest poll says 70% of labour voters are remain and he seemed taken aback. Where is this poll as I haven't seen it
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Remain win on that poll.TheScreamingEagles said:EU referendum poll:
Remain: 44% (-)
Leave: 45% (+1)
(via Opinium, online / 20 - 22 Jun)0 -
This remainer wants Osborne outTheScreamingEagles said:
Nope. Leavers want Osborne out. Remainers want Gove and Patel sacked.Alanbrooke said:
errr wont that be wonderful Mikey Grove on Friday when you have the one big happy family reunion ? Pally backslapping and drinks at the bar etc.TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the general shittiness of Vote Leave, cf Gove, I put nothing past themCharles said:
Do you think they were actually flying over London vs buzzing the memorial?TheScreamingEagles said:Apparently Vote Leave have flown a plane over the Jo Cox memorial in Trafalgar Square
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What;s the punishment? The government of the day may feel the cost of the fine is justified.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm with David Allen GreenScrapheap_as_was said:
Agreed - its just so symptomatic of the poisonous nature of the referendum.Jobabob said:
The plane is almost certainly an accident by Leave. They won't have done it deliberately. Can we move on?MarqueeMark said:
Leave plane vs Remain Outrage Bus.RoyalBlue said:Can we stop with the shroud waveing about the plane? Remain were doing exactly the same in Central London earlier today.
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2. This Act can only be repealed by referendum.
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Im talking about light aircraft and military helicopters at low altitude. These fly directly over the river.matt said:
Context is king and trying to compare this to aircraft on final approach to Heathrow is nonsense. Think about how it will look on TV media. Of course, that may be the tactic.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
That could have been a quarter of a mile away. Navy helecopters fly up and down over the Thames all the time. At that sort of altitude it looks right on top of youTheuniondivvie said:
Obviously a case of mistaken identity by someone.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Rubbish, its flying down the Thames, I saw it near the Tower of London just after 4pmScrapheap_as_was said:thank god this is over soon...
stellacreasy @stellacreasy · 5m5 minutes ago
.@voteleave flying your plane over the memorial tribute to Jo Cox in Trafalgar Square is beyond low. Have some self respect and disappear!
Nicholas Soames @nsoamesmp · 4m
@stellacreasy @voteleave what absolute shits
https://twitter.com/SkyHarriet/status/745640254636462080
Commercial aircraft to heathrow are much higher and use different more direct paths. They dont look higher because they are much bigger.
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Anything could happen but Remain has to be firm favourite.
Remember what was said a few weeks ago - Leave needs to be 5% to 7% ahead to be confident of victory - to allow for polling station swingback + Northern Ireland. It's nowhere near that.
Today's Opinium is a tiny move to Leave but Survey Monkey move is more the other way. Survey Monkey may not be such an established pollster but did well at 2015 GE.
MORI slight uptick in Cameron satisfaction - in particular 69% of Con voters satisfied with him - when the pencil is hovering that may well point to more Con waverers sticking with him. If 69% satisfied (and only 27% dissatisfied) with Cameron - will that translate to 60% Leave among Con voters?0 -
Funnily enough it could. That 1% is 39,000 votes.Wanderer said:
It could be the 1% UKIP that clinches itSean_F said:
I'd say 75/25 for Lib Dem, Green/SNP. That takes the lead down to 51% or so.williamglenn said:
The unknown is turnout. If it's higher than a general election, which way will the new voters break?rcs1000 said:
70% Labour for Remain would mean Remain win IMHO.kle4 said:
Would that be enough for Remain? If high turnout in the shires, which will be heavily for Leave, happens, Labour areas need to both turnout high and have overwhelming Remain stakes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Kay Burley of Sky saying to Boris latest poll says 70% of labour voters are remain and he seemed taken aback. Where is this poll as I haven't seen it
85% LD/SNP/Green for Remain
70% Labour
40% Conservative
1% UKIP
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Kay is being a complete nitwit on Sky - again.0
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It's funny, but whilst all the evidence points towards a knife edge result, my own gut feeling is that this is likely to be decided at least 55/45 one way or the other. From the beginning I have thought remain would take it, and this remains my view, but a 55/45 leave win now seems more likely to me than the sort of 51/49 result that the polls would suggest...0
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What's unusual about this referendum is that older people and professionals (more highly educated) are voting in different directions. Usually it is the same way (GE Conservative; Indyref No) So it's a question of which of the two keenest voting categories turn out more.rcs1000 said:
Exactly, differential turnout is highly likely to favour Leave.williamglenn said:
The unknown is turnout. If it's higher than a general election, which way will the new voters break?rcs1000 said:
70% Labour for Remain would mean Remain win IMHO.kle4 said:
Would that be enough for Remain? If high turnout in the shires, which will be heavily for Leave, happens, Labour areas need to both turnout high and have overwhelming Remain stakes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Kay Burley of Sky saying to Boris latest poll says 70% of labour voters are remain and he seemed taken aback. Where is this poll as I haven't seen it
85% LD/SNP/Green for Remain
70% Labour
40% Conservative
1% UKIP
= Remain 53-53%
I suspect they will more or less cancel each other out. Back to MOE...0 -
What a profoundly unpleasant comment.TGOHF said:
Her husband has an er "interesting" recent past. All for charity of course.SeanT said:
I don't think anyone gives a, um, flying f*ck any more. I couldn't believe, when I got back from Calabria, yesterday, that the news was still banging on about poor Jo Cox, this time it was her husband crying on TV.Scrapheap_as_was said:thank god this is over soon...
stellacreasy @stellacreasy · 5m5 minutes ago
.@voteleave flying your plane over the memorial tribute to Jo Cox in Trafalgar Square is beyond low. Have some self respect and disappear!
Nicholas Soames @nsoamesmp · 4m
@stellacreasy @voteleave what absolute shits
It was a horrible murder, and a terrible crime, and those motherless kids deserve all the hugs in the universe, but, really, get a grip. Her death is now very clearly being exploited, indeed over-exploited, by the REMAINIANS.
A memorial tribute to her, in Trafalgar Square, THE DAY BEFORE THE VOTE??
Eww. Ugh. Pfff. Enuff. They can fly a zillion zeppelins for all I care. We have a nation's future to decide.
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No way that Lib Dems are 85% remain, I doubt the SNP are either - Greens probably are. Unless the Labour working class are turning out in droves to vote Leave as they never have before, I'd put LD and Lab support at similar levels - polling indicates this is a fair assumption.rcs1000 said:
70% Labour for Remain would mean Remain win IMHO.kle4 said:
Would that be enough for Remain? If high turnout in the shires, which will be heavily for Leave, happens, Labour areas need to both turnout high and have overwhelming Remain stakes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Kay Burley of Sky saying to Boris latest poll says 70% of labour voters are remain and he seemed taken aback. Where is this poll as I haven't seen it
85% LD/SNP/Green for Remain
70% Labour
40% Conservative
1% UKIP
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If the Celts do keep England in the EU, I'm doing a thread headlined 'The Celt man has the whip hand over the Englishman'0
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"We must be sad, literally sad!"TheScreamingEagles said:If the Celts do keep England in the UK, I'm doing a thread headlined 'The Celt man has the whip hand over the Englishman'
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Excellent analysisrcs1000 said:
I spend a lot of time with EU politicians, and mostly they're obsessed with their own problems. They want to make the Eurozone work, within the limits imposed by their own electorates. Most of all, they want to get re-elected, and they don't want the train to come off the track.HurstLlama said:
I tend to agree but the question is why did that not happen? Perhaps because Cameron didn't want it so he never asked. Perhaps because the EU would have refused it utterly. Who knows we will have to wait for the memoirs and the historians.rcs1000 said:
This has been my view throughout: us leaving the EU would be good for both us and the rest of the EU.SeanT said:A fine and lucid essay by a Galician professor (Jean Monnet chairholder!) asking the Brits to leave, for the sake of Britain, and for the future of democracy in Europe.
http://capx.co/please-leave-a-letter-to-the-uk-from-the-scorched-lands/
The biggest mistake that was made was not using this as an opportunity to change the EU into Eurozone plus Associate Members. Not two speed, but two destinations. One a political union, the other an economic one.
We would have taken Sweden and Denmark with us for sure, and possibly Poland.
They are certainly not doctrinaire. Schauble, and most senior German politicians, would rather Greece had chosen to leave the Euro than to stay. They thought Grexit would make the Eurozone stronger, rather than weaker, and would free up resources to use on countries that had gone through painful reform programmes.
If David Cameron had gone to Copenhagen and Stockholm and put together a non-Eurozone grouping, and then gone together to discuss with the Eurozone states about what could be done to enable: (a) the EZ to make the reforms it needs to survive, and (b) how non-EZ countries could opt out of the political union, I think it would have been welcomed rather than rebuffed. Simply, Schauble and Macron don't want to spend their time arguing with Cameron, they want to fix the problems they have.
So, why didn't this happen?
Because Cameron wanted to get the Euro "thing" done and behind him. Formally changing the EU treaties into Eurozone and Associate Member would have involved years of negotiating between the non-EZ countries, and a whole new treaty. 2020 would be a best case scenario, and 2022 might have been more likely.
If it is a narrow Remain, as seems likely, changing the treaties to enshrine the Associate Member status is still a necessity. We need to build an alliance of non-Eurozone countries. And I would hope that is what the sensible Leavers in the Conservative Party will have as their goal in such a situation.0 -
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Can both sides please cut out the moral grandstanding over Jo Cox please?
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Good to see you back on PB!AndyJS said:
Looks like my figures for London are a lot higher for Remain than Hanretty's version and lower elsewhere.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Fantastic.Pulpstar said:
Wow thanks Andy - a great resourceAndyJS said:
This is just my personal effort so anyone placing bets may prefer to stick to Chris Hanretty's version. It uses census data which means population is used not electorates, but I've taken that into account when coming up with the formula. Thanks to PW who indirectly contributed to it. There are one or two which don't look right to me, such as Sandwell and Coventry but I've decided to continue using the same formula for the whole of England. It'll be interesting to compare it to the actual result on Friday:Pulpstar said:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hCtN3IY76azcr_6OiFPvZI0eXi_8JJqxT7d8vNhW2Do/edit#gid=0
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Back to campaigning. We're having a great reception on the doorstep. Heh0
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Do you think it is a good idea to have the memorial one day before the referendum?RobD said:0 -
I'm sure you are.TheScreamingEagles said:Back to campaigning. We're having a great reception on the doorstep. Heh
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Britain Elects:
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 34% (-1)
LAB: 30% (-2)
UKIP: 19% (-)
LDEM: 6% (+2)
GRN: 4% (-)
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Andy and Hanretty models both close for Leics NW: Around 45% needed for "remain" there.RodCrosby said:0 -
Are you wearing your Maggie European sweater?TheScreamingEagles said:Back to campaigning. We're having a great reception on the doorstep. Heh
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Clarification on fly past at #JoCox memorial event -- not an official #voteleave banner. Organised by Brexiteer Britten Norman0
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It's made me feel quite ill.Casino_Royale said:Can both sides please cut out the moral grandstanding over Jo Cox please?
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I very much doubt it. It costs a lot of time and money to get a pilots licence. Breaking air traffic control regulations and CAA regulations, and the criminal law is is damn fast way of losing that licence. Professional pilots just don't do it.rcs1000 said:
That is looking towards the Thames from Trafalgar Square. That being said, I suspect the pilot of the plane said something like "oooohhhh... there's a large crowd of people, let's fly near it"Theuniondivvie said:
Obviously a case of mistaken identity by someone.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Rubbish, its flying down the Thames, I saw it near the Tower of London just after 4pmScrapheap_as_was said:thank god this is over soon...
stellacreasy @stellacreasy · 5m5 minutes ago
.@voteleave flying your plane over the memorial tribute to Jo Cox in Trafalgar Square is beyond low. Have some self respect and disappear!
Nicholas Soames @nsoamesmp · 4m
@stellacreasy @voteleave what absolute shits
https://twitter.com/SkyHarriet/status/745640254636462080
It looks to me like those aeroplanes are single engine jobs. It has been a good few years but there are serious height restrictions about flying single engine aeroplanes over built up areas and for london that basically means you can fly up and down the Thames but that is it. There will also be further restrictions because of central London being the flight path into Heathrow. Furthermore those aeroplanes would have been under positive control by the CAA.
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NW Leicestershire — my figures: Remain 44% if England 50/50. Chris Hanretty has 45% if UK votes 50/50.RodCrosby said:-1 -
Are you suggesting there should be an official birthday on a different date, like The Queen?Sunil_Prasannan said:Do you think it is a good idea to have the memorial one day before the referendum?
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Britain Elects:
46% of Britons expect the UK will tomorrow vote to Remain, 27% expect a vote to Leave.
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This is almost as interesting as the practice Friday ahead of a race.0
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Agreed, but FWIW - if you look at the 10/10 certain to votes (on an implied 77% turnout): 47.53% Remain vs 52.47% Leave, with heavy rain and thunderstorms forecast over London after work tomorrow. It could come down to Gibraltar...! ;-oAlistair said:
Remain win on that poll.TheScreamingEagles said:EU referendum poll:
Remain: 44% (-)
Leave: 45% (+1)
(via Opinium, online / 20 - 22 Jun)0 -
Mr. McLaren, welcome to pb.com.
I hope your F1 team improves soon.0 -
I thought Comres said affluence is going to be more important than age, just slightly.rcs1000 said:
Exactly, differential turnout is highly likely to favour Leave.williamglenn said:
The unknown is turnout. If it's higher than a general election, which way will the new voters break?rcs1000 said:
70% Labour for Remain would mean Remain win IMHO.kle4 said:
Would that be enough for Remain? If high turnout in the shires, which will be heavily for Leave, happens, Labour areas need to both turnout high and have overwhelming Remain stakes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Kay Burley of Sky saying to Boris latest poll says 70% of labour voters are remain and he seemed taken aback. Where is this poll as I haven't seen it
85% LD/SNP/Green for Remain
70% Labour
40% Conservative
1% UKIP
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I wonder whether the picture of Leadsom holding up that sweater on DP is doing the rounds yet?williamglenn said:
Are you wearing your Maggie European sweater?TheScreamingEagles said:Back to campaigning. We're having a great reception on the doorstep. Heh
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How the feck are the tories remaining ahead?MikeL said:Britain Elects:
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 34% (-1)
LAB: 30% (-2)
UKIP: 19% (-)
LDEM: 6% (+2)
GRN: 4% (-)
(via Opinium / 20 - 22 Jun)
Oh wait, this is Corbyn leading.0
