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Not watching proceedings as high up in the Aragonese Pyrenees. But ...
This thread clearly demonstrates why most TV political debates don't change many minds. It's like reading comments on a Spurs message board during a game.0 -
It's a shame. Gisela is way too right wing for her current party. She makes Liz Kendall look like Che Guevara.0
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I bet she even really believes most of the nonsense herself. But it's one of those good lies. It's probably not a good thing to pump into the atmosphere so much carbon, it is probably mildly aggravating existing trends. Because of this all kind of nuance and subtleties are lost. We are all doomed etc if we dont do XYZ.hunchman said:Amber Crudd - the climate change warrior!
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Nobody can understand what she did. Or what her attitude is to the EU now.John_M said:
I read the comments. They're pretty evenly split between angry and supportive. She's going to be fine. I don't understand why she did what she did, but it's hardly the end of the world.hunchman said:
Mutiny in Dartmouth and the South Hams on the cards!MarqueeMark said:
Picking up on some real local anger....Sean_F said:Looking at the comments on Sarah Wollaston's blog, I would guess that South Hams Conservatives are not a happy ship at the moment.
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Thirded - like a good ref - you dont know shes there as the play is flowing.Casino_Royale said:
Second thatBig_G_NorthWales said:Julie is moderating this so well
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Christ. Nicola lecturing us on looking in on ourselves.0
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And that just like the Spurs message board, most normal people don't view it ;-)SouthamObserver said:Not watching proceedings as high up in the Aragonese Pyrenees. But ...
This thread clearly demonstrates why most TV political debates don't change many minds. It's like reading comments on a Spurs message board during a game.0 -
LolSean_F said:
Betfair will only be moved if Leave are leading 55/45 at 3 a.m. on 24th June.TheScreamingEagles said:Betfair utterly unmoved by this so far
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Me too!Mortimer said:I want to be able to vote for Gisella Stuart.
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Rest my case.TheScreamingEagles said:
Whereas your comment of 'piss off' is a sign of Leave doing well?Casino_Royale said:
Exactly. That's TSE's way of saying "we're losing".SeanT said:
Whenever you say something like that, I know REMAIN are having a bad moment.TheScreamingEagles said:Betfair utterly unmoved by this so far
You're still gonna triumph on the 23rd, but let us enjoy these battlefield victories. So far this is an easy win for LEAVE.0 -
Folded arms Amber again.0
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Amber looking very grumpy and arms crossed again0
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That little wobble of the head by Sturgeon has me in fits of laughter.0
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It's actually moved one notch to Remain.TheScreamingEagles said:Betfair utterly unmoved by this so far
8.00pm: Remain 1.34
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Sturgeon has turned up for the wrong Referendum....0
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I'm not watching, who would that be? The conventional wisdom is that the SNP want a leave vote so there is an excuse for another referendum. But does Nicola really want to hold another referendum in the current circumstances? With North Sea Oil revenues shattered? I'd be amazed.old_labour said:Nicola knows her true enemies are to the left of her on that stage.
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All plant life is carbon based - we need more of it if anything. Look at CO2 throughout history, for much of the time in earth's history over the past 4,600 million years its been way above 400ppm. If you take the climate change CO2 argument to extremis, if CO2 levels fell below 120ppm then life would begin to die off as being carbon starved (there are stabilisers in the system which mean that the 120ppm level is in effect a CO2 floor).notme said:
I bet she even really believes most of the nonsense herself. But it's one of those good lies. It's probably not a good thing to pump into the atmosphere so much carbon, it is probably mildly aggravating existing trends. Because of this all kind of nuance and subtleties are lost. We are all doomed etc if we dont do XYZ.hunchman said:Amber Crudd - the climate change warrior!
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Distraction politics, oh look at this over there.Casino_Royale said:
Exactly. That's TSE's way of saying "we're losing".SeanT said:
Whenever you say something like that, I know REMAIN are having a bad moment.TheScreamingEagles said:Betfair utterly unmoved by this so far
You're still gonna triumph on the 23rd, but let us enjoy these battlefield victories. So far this is an easy win for LEAVE.
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The Guardian has Remain romping it.0
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Bullseye from Andrea. Nicola out for the count.0
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Leadsom nailed Sturgeon
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Had a very interesting conversation with a voter tonight.
He said he wanted to Vote Leave, but he thought it might be risky, what might persuade him in the future was if another country left and see how they did.
If we don't leave in a fortnight, which will be the first country to leave?
They prepared to be a lab rat for leaving the EU for our benefit?0 -
As a remainer I do not agree with them. Leave are winning thistlg86 said:The Guardian has Remain romping it.
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Leadsom's political antennae are tremendous.
So much applause.0 -
Sturgeon is as toxic as Farage.0
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@GideonWise
'Rudd floundering now and she knows it.'
Don't think she'll be making any more public appearances for Remain.
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Ha! Andrea comparing Nicola to the EU re voting again until she gets the answer she wants.0
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And in other news, I hear that bears like to defecate in groups of trees...at least we know what the BBC will be saying.tlg86 said:The Guardian has Remain romping it.
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Amber going out to bat for Nicola. The one thing she really shouldn't be collaborating with her partner on!0
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Amber looks like she's auditioning for a Miss Whiplash phonebox photocard.0
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Any sensible voter at the end of tonight would be asking:
How are Gisela Stuart and Angela Eagle in the same party?!
How are Andrea Leadsom and Amber Crudd in the same party?!0 -
Too much hectoring from Amber Rudd. But that is the opinion of a LEAVEr.0
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Remain have brought rock, paper and scissors to a sovereignty fight.0
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There's a fighting chance it might be France. In which case, I shall become an ardent Remainer and look forward to the London-Berlin axis crushing all beneath it's booted heel.TheScreamingEagles said:Had a very interesting conversation with a voter tonight.
He said he wanted to Vote Leave, but he thought it might be risky, what might persuade him in the future was if another country left and see how they did.
If we don't leave in a fortnight, which will be the first country to leave?
They prepared to be a lab rat for leaving the EU for our benefit?
Hey, a girl can dream.0 -
er yes Dominatrix. Some like that though (not I).YossariansChild said:Amber looks like she's auditioning for a Miss Whiplash phonebox photocard.
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Andrea Leadsom on the warpath. Boris fading into the background.0
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Credit to you for saying that, Big G.Big_G_NorthWales said:
As a remainer I do not agree with them. Leave are winning thistlg86 said:The Guardian has Remain romping it.
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This will be Remain's undoing.MarkHopkins said:0 -
YossariansChild said:
Amber looks like she's auditioning for a Miss Whiplash phonebox photocard.
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Montie is turning in to Eoin for level of insight value.
Tim Montgomerie ن @montie 20m20 minutes ago
Inners are Britisceptics. They think economy will fail. There'll be WW3. We'll treat workers badly. They may love UK but don't believe in it
Ruth DavidsonVerified account
@RuthDavidsonMSP
@montie @alexmassie you called inners Britsceptics. I've spent years of my life fighting to keep Britain together, so don't take it kindly.0 -
Crudd: "We win those votes in the EU" - what about the 72 lost votes?!!!!!0
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Big G wins the PB comment contest.Casino_Royale said:
Credit to you for saying that, Big G.Big_G_NorthWales said:
As a remainer I do not agree with them. Leave are winning thistlg86 said:The Guardian has Remain romping it.
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The comments are split 2:1 against.MarqueeMark said:
Nobody can understand what she did. Or what her attitude is to the EU now.John_M said:
I read the comments. They're pretty evenly split between angry and supportive. She's going to be fine. I don't understand why she did what she did, but it's hardly the end of the world.hunchman said:
Mutiny in Dartmouth and the South Hams on the cards!MarqueeMark said:
Picking up on some real local anger....Sean_F said:Looking at the comments on Sarah Wollaston's blog, I would guess that South Hams Conservatives are not a happy ship at the moment.
Most people would have expected her to support Remain. South Hams is eurosceptic, but had she supported Remain, I'm sure people would have just shrugged. It's supporting Brexit repeatedly, up till 5 days ago, and then completely changing sides that's hard to fathom.0 -
Yep, I'm a Remainer but Leave are clearly doing better here. Eagle is an utter embarrassment and Boris doing very well.0
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That is why he will not succeed David Cameron - Andrea would be better and othersFreggles said:Andrea Leadsom on the warpath. Boris fading into the background.
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Shame he can't retract his statement that I was being naive re tonight's debate.Casino_Royale said:
Credit to you for saying that, Big G.Big_G_NorthWales said:
As a remainer I do not agree with them. Leave are winning thistlg86 said:The Guardian has Remain romping it.
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James Forsyth @JGForsyth
Wonder if the Remain side have forgotten that Tory modernising dictum, that what you say about others tells voters more about you than them0 -
Never mind Andrea, we need Gisela to defectBig_G_NorthWales said:
That is why he will not succeed David Cameron - Andrea would be better and othersFreggles said:Andrea Leadsom on the warpath. Boris fading into the background.
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Accords with my view as a member.Casino_Royale said:James Forsyth @JGForsyth
Wonder if the Remain side have forgotten that Tory modernising dictum, that what you say about others tells voters more about you than them
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They had Clegg romping it against Farage, IIRC.tlg86 said:The Guardian has Remain romping it.
Reminded me of CNN saying it had been a good week for Marco Rubio week after week.0 -
So sod everyone else including the Greeks and Italians and eastern Europeans and Nordics. Wow that's a positive vision for the future!John_M said:
There's a fighting chance it might be France. In which case, I shall become an ardent Remainer and look forward to the London-Berlin axis crushing all beneath it's booted heel.TheScreamingEagles said:Had a very interesting conversation with a voter tonight.
He said he wanted to Vote Leave, but he thought it might be risky, what might persuade him in the future was if another country left and see how they did.
If we don't leave in a fortnight, which will be the first country to leave?
They prepared to be a lab rat for leaving the EU for our benefit?
Hey, a girl can dream.0 -
You'd be hard pressed to get a more whiny annoying voice than Angela Eagle!0
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Gisela is an old style Labour person - no chance of defection. But she has done very well.John_M said:
Never mind Andrea, we need Gisela to defectBig_G_NorthWales said:
That is why he will not succeed David Cameron - Andrea would be better and othersFreggles said:Andrea Leadsom on the warpath. Boris fading into the background.
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Her sister?hunchman said:You'd be hard pressed to get a more whiny annoying voice than Angela Eagle!
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It was a quip hunchman, not a fecking manifesto commitment er I mean, ambition.hunchman said:
So sod everyone else including the Greeks and Italians and eastern Europeans and Nordics. Wow that's a positive vision for the future!John_M said:
There's a fighting chance it might be France. In which case, I shall become an ardent Remainer and look forward to the London-Berlin axis crushing all beneath it's booted heel.TheScreamingEagles said:Had a very interesting conversation with a voter tonight.
He said he wanted to Vote Leave, but he thought it might be risky, what might persuade him in the future was if another country left and see how they did.
If we don't leave in a fortnight, which will be the first country to leave?
They prepared to be a lab rat for leaving the EU for our benefit?
Hey, a girl can dream.0 -
Isabel Oakeshott @IsabelOakeshott
Of all the hundreds of MPs I've dealt with over the years, @andrealeadsom is one of the very most impressive #ITVEURef0 -
Gisela. Deliver us from Jeremy Corbyn.0
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I would guess she is aware of that viz large proportions of the English electorate.chestnut said:Sturgeon is as toxic as Farage.
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The applause for Leave is very telling0
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Leadsom vs. Stuart GE 2020. You heard it here firstCasino_Royale said:Isabel Oakeshott @IsabelOakeshott
Of all the hundreds of MPs I've dealt with over the years, @andrealeadsom is one of the very most impressive #ITVEURef
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No applause at all for Amber Rudd. Oops.
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I bet Rudd thinks she is a brilliant communicator.
Just sounds patronising to me....0 -
Montie is way past his sell-buy date.Scrapheap_as_was said:Montie is turning in to Eoin for level of insight value.
Tim Montgomerie ن @montie 20m20 minutes ago
Inners are Britisceptics. They think economy will fail. There'll be WW3. We'll treat workers badly. They may love UK but don't believe in it
Ruth DavidsonVerified account
@RuthDavidsonMSP
@montie @alexmassie you called inners Britsceptics. I've spent years of my life fighting to keep Britain together, so don't take it kindly.
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Only seen the 2nd half of the debate tonight.
My thought for this evening on watching it is.
Why hasn't anyone from the Leave campaign said anything like this?
" We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level with a European super-state exercising a new dominance from Brussels."
It is nearly 30 years old but is just as relevant today.
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The Times RedBox worm is revealing - anytime remain speak it goes negative but when Leaver speak its all positive0
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Andrea still 30/1 next PM Betfair. I had a few quid on higher odds.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is why he will not succeed David Cameron - Andrea would be better and othersFreggles said:Andrea Leadsom on the warpath. Boris fading into the background.
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Dennis Skinner has just come out for Leave.0
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In case you missed it, I'll take the £20 on the 14/1 on Dr Wollaston bet.blackburn63 said:The applause for Leave is very telling
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Angela Eagle getting laughed at.
TSE are you named after her?
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By the lack of comments regarding Boris, I.am going to take it he didn't say much. Probably wise.0
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Great to have the Beast of Bolsover on our side. Time to defeat Dodgy Dave!Casino_Royale said:Dennis Skinner has just come out for Leave.
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Yep, and lots of agreeing with his fellow panelists.FrancisUrquhart said:By the lack of comments regarding Boris, I.am going to take it he didn't say much. Probably wise.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/101st_Airborne_DivisionFreggles said:Angela Eagle getting laughed at.
TSE are you named after her?0 -
he's had a few good lines, but as the biggest target he's been smart to stay out of the limelight. His team mates have been excellent, indeed Andrea has rescued him a couple of times when under attack.FrancisUrquhart said:By the lack of comments regarding Boris, I.am going to take it he didn't say much. Probably wise.
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Eagle sounds like a village idiot0
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Probably not. There's the tragedy for Leave.SeanT said:Barring some disasters, this is a clear win for LEAVE
REMAIN were hindered by Sturgeon's absurdity, and Eagle's silly voice
Boris did OK, given that he is a bad debater, Leadsom was a star, Stuart hugely improved after a shaky start
Will it have any effect? There I dunno.0 -
If Gisele was Labour leader I would vote Labour over a GO led Con party.0
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But but but what about workers right etc...until we joined the eu we were still shoving 10 year old up chimneys etc.Casino_Royale said:Dennis Skinner has just come out for Leave.
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Boris needed, at a minimum, to not fuck it up. He gets a C+.FrancisUrquhart said:By the lack of comments regarding Boris, I.am going to take it he didn't say much. Probably wise.
There won't be an enormous line of Tory MPs queuing to pledge allegiance to him as King-in-Waiting based on that performance.0 -
I'm usually a big fan of raptors but don't rate either Eagles at all. Can't imagine why they put her up for Labour when they could have had someone like Berger, Creasy or De Piero if it had to be a woman.0
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She thought she came to a general election debate.not_on_fire said:Eagle sounds like a village idiot
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Have to say, Sturgeon was the wrong person to bring along here.
I can't think of a single good point she's made.0 -
Agree on Nicola's point on Turkey. Leave shouldn't be playing that hard on it, given how far away it is (despite it being UK policy for us to support their membership).0
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OK remind me again of the terms pleaseTheScreamingEagles said:
In case you missed it, I'll take the £20 on the 14/1 on Dr Wollaston bet.blackburn63 said:The applause for Leave is very telling
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Andrea Leadsom is very impressive.
She has that Thatcher ability to make things very clear very articulately. Very directly to the point.
Whether you agree with her or not, it's a great skill.
Rudd has put me off the environment. Makes me want to set fire to my wheelie bin.0 -
Only sounds like one?not_on_fire said:Eagle sounds like a village idiot
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She needs a big Cabinet job firstBig_G_NorthWales said:
That is why he will not succeed David Cameron - Andrea would be better and othersFreggles said:Andrea Leadsom on the warpath. Boris fading into the background.
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Yeah, but Mike got on her at 90/1, if she does, we'll never hear the end of it.SeanT said:Andrea Leadsome should be the next Tory leader.
You know what he was like when a 50/1 came in.0 -
It depends on whether it changes the narrative but Boris talking about 5 Presidents report must seem abstract to the voterSeanT said:Barring some disasters, this is a clear win for LEAVE
REMAIN were hindered by Sturgeon's absurdity, and Eagle's silly voice
Boris did OK, given that he is a bad debater, Leadsom was a star, Stuart hugely improved after a shaky start
Will it have any effect? There I dunno.0 -
Me too.TGOHF said:If Gisele was Labour leader I would vote Labour over a GO led Con party.
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Reshuffle has comedy potential. If Dave has a highly developed sense of humour he'll stick Rudd and Leadsom in the same department again
— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) June 9, 20160 -
LOL yes but she might spank you first, in her best leathers.Fenster said:Andrea Leadsom is very impressive.
She has that Thatcher ability to make things very clear very articulately. Very directly to the point.
Whether you agree with her or not, it's a great skill.
Rudd has put me off the environment. Makes me want to set fire to my wheelie bin.0 -
Maybe, but he works well as a team player. Compared to the 3 REMAIN ladies.John_M said:
Boris needed, at a minimum, to not fuck it up. He gets a C+.FrancisUrquhart said:By the lack of comments regarding Boris, I.am going to take it he didn't say much. Probably wise.
There won't be an enormous line of Tory MPs queuing to pledge allegiance to him as King-in-Waiting based on that performance.
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I agree, but last night I thought Osborne's most awkward and uncomfortable moment was when Neil pressed him on Britain supporting Turkey's membership. Very odd.RobD said:Agree on Nicola's point on Turkey. Leave shouldn't be playing that hard on it, given how far away it is (despite it being UK policy for us to support their membership).
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If Remain wins, and Sarah Wollaston becomes a minister by the end of 2016, you win £20blackburn63 said:
OK remind me again of the terms pleaseTheScreamingEagles said:
In case you missed it, I'll take the £20 on the 14/1 on Dr Wollaston bet.blackburn63 said:The applause for Leave is very telling
If Remain wins, and Sarah Wollaston does not become a minister by the end of 2016, I win £280
If Leave wins, bet void0
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