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  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,611
    Bingo :D
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,156
    Little England Hurray!
  • blackburn63
    blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Never seen the lady in red before, very impressive.

    I'd love to be sat with the pb.tory remainers watching Sturgeon and Eagle abusing tories.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Rudd says Little Englander!!
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:

    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:

    Armstrong: "Overlooked part of Syria conflict is Genie Oil and all the oil found underneath the Golan Heights with Larry Summers and Dick Cheney on the board amongst others"

    http://globalriskinsights.com/2016/03/pressure-building-golan-heights/

    Hmmm: they are not on the board of Genie Oil & Gas, they are 'strategic advisory board' members.

    Genie Energy owns Genie Oil & Gas, which has a very modest ($8m of well costs in the first quarter) exploration programme in Northern Israel (aka the Golan Heights). They also have a Colorado Oil shale programme.

    I know Noble Energy very well (which has the massive Leviathan gas field off-shore Israel), and have been an investor in another Israeli oil & gas company. (Via the always excellent Martin Molyneaux at First Energy.)

    The Golan Heights and the rest of Northern Israel has seen lots of cores drilled over the years, and there's been a lot of seismic shot. While there is evidence of natural gas, I am told that the geology (it's been extremely well cooked) mean it's very unlikely there are commercial quantities of oil in the area. Tight natural gas formations are not something there is any particular shortage of at the moment.

    Genie Energy has a market capitalisation of $178m. If you really believe that uncommercial quantities of natural gas (that will be competing with cheap CH4 molecules from the Leviathan field) are a goer, you are welcome to waste your money.
    Thanks rcs1000. I bow to your greater knowledge over this - I've been meaning to look into this and haven't had time thanks to being so tied up with that notorious address. I mean to have a look at i when I get chance.
    Martin Molyneaux of First Energy probably knows more about the geology of Northern Israel than any man alive, and his advice helped make a lot of people a lot of money on Leviathan. If you want to talk to him, I can probably arrange a call, but my understanding is that any hydrocarbons locked under the Golan Heights have been too hot for too long, and therefore the long-chains (oil) have broken down into short-chains (natural gas).
    Thanks rcs1000 - I'd love to but just haven't got time at the moment - will take you up on the offer when times are quieter. Thanks once again.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    tlg86 said:

    Gisela is brilliant, far too good for Labour.

    All those "Tories For Gisela" voters in Edgbaston knew what they were doing didn't they? :smiley:
  • MP_SE
    MP_SE Posts: 3,642
    FUCKING BINGO!!!!
  • GideonWise
    GideonWise Posts: 1,123
    I missed little England. Was it Rudd?
  • midwinter
    midwinter Posts: 1,112
    Danny565 said:

    I think all, bar Boris and Eagle, are doing quite well.

    Yep. Surprised how good Rudd is.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    GideonWise said:

    I missed little England. Was it Rudd?

    Yes - not even in relation to Nigel or the Leave campaign
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    PlatoSaid said:

    Rudd says Little Englander!!

    Drat! It needed to be Nicola! :(
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    edited June 2016
    Q: Does Boris look like a PM on this?

    Con MPs (both Leave and Remain) will be considering the matter - this is one of the biggest auditions he will do.
  • geoffw
    geoffw Posts: 9,161
    Angela pointing or wagging her finger. Not good.
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    A whopper from Eagle about trade unions.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Synchronised nod down to the notes from Boris and Gisela
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited June 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    Rudd says Little Englander!!

    Someone on the Remain team had to take on the 'take back control' steamroller - the new long term economic plan. Rudd is the only one capable of taking them on.
  • geoffw
    geoffw Posts: 9,161
    MikeL said:

    Q: Does Boris look like a PM on this?

    Con MPs (both Leave and Remain) will be considering the matter - this is one of the biggest auditions he will do.

    Yes
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    MikeL said:

    Q: Does Boris look like a PM on this?

    Con MPs (both Leave and Remain) will be considering the matter - this is one of the biggest auditions he will do.

    He doesn't look like he's auditioning for it - Amber Rudd on the other hand....
  • Fenster
    Fenster Posts: 2,115
    Boris looked hard then.
  • GarethoftheVale2
    GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,350
    Angela Eagle thinks she is a blonde bombshell?!?!
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    We do not need the EU to guarantee our humanity - from Boris.
  • Wulfrun_Phil
    Wulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,784
    Having a go at Little Englanders is not wise when the England flag is set to be flown everywhere over the next two weeks (until the quarter finals, probably).

    Come on (not so little) England!

  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Boris: "we don't need the EU to guarantee our humanity"
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Turkey yet to get a mention other than in reference to Boris' ancestry
  • old_labour
    old_labour Posts: 3,238
    Rudd keeps looking and sounding like a person who has just stood on a dog turd.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,611
    GarethoftheVale2 said:

    Angela Eagle thinks she is a blonde bombshell?!?!

    I think it was a quote perhaps from a previous PMQs session? I seem to recall it.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Etch a sketch is letting the Remainers talk over Boris.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Best critic of Boris by Nicola
  • YossariansChild
    YossariansChild Posts: 536
    Remain just trying to personalise this. It may work it may not, but its not debating the EU.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    I was expecting Eagle to be weak, but quite surprised at how weak Sturgeon is when she has colleagues...
  • OUT
    OUT Posts: 569
    Wulfrun_Phil said:

    Having a go at Little Englanders is not wise when the England flag is set to be flown everywhere over the next two weeks (until the quarter finals, probably).

    Come on (not so little) England!

    Maybe Dave will order the eu flag to fly above number 10 like sindyref and the St Andrew cross.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Oh my, Rudd now onto Farage.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,742
    In before talk of white van man....
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Great move by Leadsom on Sturgeon.
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    Andrea Leadsom staying above the fray and positively presidential. She is a real star!

    Massive applause just.
  • YossariansChild
    YossariansChild Posts: 536
    Andrea is simply superb. Next PM please.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Outrageous. Hear, hear Ms Leadsom.
  • geoffw
    geoffw Posts: 9,161
    Killer attack by Andrea on Nicola.
  • Fenster
    Fenster Posts: 2,115
    If I kicked my ball over Leadsom's garden I wouldn't have the guts to ask for it back.
  • GideonWise
    GideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Leadsom Leadsom Leadsom she's the winner.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,611
    Leadsom eminently sensible.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    FANTASTIC from Andrea Leadsom on voting Remain to get the EU to overrule the UK Government
  • GideonWise
    GideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Leadsom Leadsom Leadsom she's the winner.
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    Looking at the comments on Sarah Wollaston's blog, I would guess that South Hams Conservatives are not a happy ship at the moment.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Another corker from Leadsom on Sturgeon wanting to overrule the HMG democratic vote
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Eagle sounds like a poor imitation of Liz Truss here...
  • YossariansChild
    YossariansChild Posts: 536
    https://twitter.com/timesredbox/status/741000140840939520
  • geoffw
    geoffw Posts: 9,161
    Fenster said:

    If I kicked my ball over Leadsom's garden I wouldn't have the guts to ask for it back.

    You've got the wrong lady.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,611
    YossariansChild said:

    https://twitter.com/timesredbox/status/741000140840939520

    Go Stuart!! :D
  • handandmouse
    handandmouse Posts: 213
    REMAIN singularly unable to answer the question about what EU regulations they oppose. Nakedly evasive.
  • blackburn63
    blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    edited June 2016
    Leadsom v Eagles is a mismatch
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    YossariansChild said:

    https://twitter.com/timesredbox/status/741000140840939520

    Eagle rekt
  • GideonWise
    GideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Amber Rudd is making some disgusting comments which she will regret long term.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Rudd hasn't got it right with attacking Leave for being Farage rather than answering on women's rights IMHO
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    As I have said before Amber and Andrea miles ahead. Both doing their careers a lot of good
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited June 2016
    Fenster said:

    If I kicked my ball over Leadsom's garden I wouldn't have the guts to ask for it back.

    I would be very polite and I'm sure she'd help me find it

    I wouldn't dare ask Rudd - she'd give me a lecture.
  • old_labour
    old_labour Posts: 3,238
    What are women's rights and gay rights like in Poland?
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    Gisela and Andrea are walking this.

  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    There are an infinite number of universes. In only one of those was Eagles a good choice to put on to this panel.
  • MP_SE
    MP_SE Posts: 3,642
    GideonWise said:

    Amber Rudd is making some disgusting comments which she will regret long term.

    What did Rudd say? I was out of the room.
  • YossariansChild
    YossariansChild Posts: 536
    edited June 2016
    This started badly for Leave but Andrea and Gisela have swung it round.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    YossariansChild said:

    https://twitter.com/timesredbox/status/741000140840939520

    Oh dear.

    (assuming that's representative)
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    edited June 2016
    I still think Remain are going to win, but I'm encouraged that it appears that Remain have given no thought to tonight and left the three of them to get on with it.

    I know the government is not at stake (well, not technically), but right now, I know which three I would want to run the country.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    Sean_F said:

    Looking at the comments on Sarah Wollaston's blog, I would guess that South Hams Conservatives are not a happy ship at the moment.

    Picking up on some real local anger....
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,742
    edited June 2016
    old_labour said:

    What are women's rights and gay rights like in Poland?

    https://www.vice.com/video/rise-of-the-right

    And this lot are in the same group as the Tories in EU parliament.
  • YossariansChild
    YossariansChild Posts: 536
    4-1 Leave - i'll call that a draw.
  • geoffw
    geoffw Posts: 9,161
    Ooh sovereignty!
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    edited June 2016
    Casino_Royale said:

    YossariansChild said:

    https://twitter.com/timesredbox/status/741000140840939520

    Oh dear.

    (assuming that's representative)
    It's not, the last panel had 80% backing Leave before the Dave & Farage Q&A started
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    edited June 2016
    Freggles said:

    YossariansChild said:

    https://twitter.com/timesredbox/status/741000140840939520

    Eagle rekt
    Crushing leave win. Crushing win for Gisela and Andrea!
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Julie is moderating this so well
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Rudd's deliberately confusion of Farage with every awkward UKIP comment is about as convincing as painting her as the author of Rivers of Blood.
  • old_labour
    old_labour Posts: 3,238
    Nicola knows her true enemies are to the left of her on that stage.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    Betfair utterly unmoved by this so far
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    MarqueeMark said:

    Sean_F said:

    Looking at the comments on Sarah Wollaston's blog, I would guess that South Hams Conservatives are not a happy ship at the moment.

    Picking up on some real local anger....
    Mutiny in Dartmouth and the South Hams on the cards!
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    edited June 2016
    YossariansChild said:

    https://twitter.com/timesredbox/status/741000140840939520

    Well that doesn't suggest people think Boris is performing at PM level.
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    MarqueeMark said:

    There are an infinite number of universes. In only one of those was Eagles a good choice to put on to this panel.

    This is the Labour talent pool these days.
  • MP_SE
    MP_SE Posts: 3,642
    3/1 Leave with Hills. Fill your boots.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    I'm really shocked at how poor the Labour Remain representative is in this debate.

    REALLY SHOCKED. I mean, what would Corbyn say?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,611
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    There are an infinite number of universes. In only one of those was Eagles a good choice to put on to this panel.

    This is the Labour talent pool these days.
    There's a great one on the leave panel... hint hint :)
  • handandmouse
    handandmouse Posts: 213
    I make it 3-1 LEAVE, NHS being REMAIN's sole strong question.
  • YossariansChild
    YossariansChild Posts: 536
    Gisella is head and shoulders above everyone in Labour.
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    hunchman said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Sean_F said:

    Looking at the comments on Sarah Wollaston's blog, I would guess that South Hams Conservatives are not a happy ship at the moment.

    Picking up on some real local anger....
    Mutiny in Dartmouth and the South Hams on the cards!
    I read the comments. They're pretty evenly split between angry and supportive. She's going to be fine. I don't understand why she did what she did, but it's hardly the end of the world.
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    The non-Tories seem to be Brexit's secret weapon - Stuart, Owen, Field. Why don't we see more of them?
  • Toms
    Toms Posts: 2,478
    hunchman said:

    Freggles said:

    YossariansChild said:

    https://twitter.com/timesredbox/status/741000140840939520

    Eagle rekt
    Crushing leave win. Crushing win for Gisela and Andrea!
    But. Will "Leave" win?
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    MikeL said:

    YossariansChild said:

    https://twitter.com/timesredbox/status/741000140840939520

    Well that doesn't suggest people think Boris is performing at PM level.
    I think Boris is being deliberately very measured, he's not rising to the bait and letting the ladies do the talking. I think it's working well.
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    Amber Crudd - the climate change warrior!
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Betfair utterly unmoved by this so far

    Whenever you say something like that, I know REMAIN are having a bad moment.

    You're still gonna triumph on the 23rd, but let us enjoy these battlefield victories. So far this is an easy win for LEAVE.
    Exactly. That's TSE's way of saying "we're losing".
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Leave have been much better but I am not sure that it may go on too long and lose focus and interest
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,742
    edited June 2016
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    There are an infinite number of universes. In only one of those was Eagles a good choice to put on to this panel.

    This is the Labour talent pool these days.
    Well look at the top table...Jahadi Jez, McMao, Watson, the farting commie the city minister....

    All the ones with brains either have left to work at the Beeb, International Rescue etc or keep themselves about as far away from anything Labour as possible.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Julie is moderating this so well

    Second that
  • old_labour
    old_labour Posts: 3,238
    YossariansChild said:

    Gisella is head and shoulders above everyone in Labour.

    In the HoC, I have noticed it falls silent before she is about to speak.

    Compare her to Jess Philips, the Labour party's own Louise Mensch.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Leave use of examples is tremendous. Must be rehearsed.

    Remain, meanwhile, sound like ministerial show and tell 'when I went to eurppe'
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    Boris destroyed Crudd on the VW scandal there!
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Betfair utterly unmoved by this so far

    Whenever you say something like that, I know REMAIN are having a bad moment.

    You're still gonna triumph on the 23rd, but let us enjoy these battlefield victories. So far this is an easy win for LEAVE.
    Bless.
  • GideonWise
    GideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Rudd floundering now and she knows it.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    Casino_Royale said:

    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Betfair utterly unmoved by this so far

    Whenever you say something like that, I know REMAIN are having a bad moment.

    You're still gonna triumph on the 23rd, but let us enjoy these battlefield victories. So far this is an easy win for LEAVE.
    Exactly. That's TSE's way of saying "we're losing".
    Whereas your comment of 'piss off' is a sign of Leave doing well?
  • old_labour
    old_labour Posts: 3,238
    hunchman said:

    Amber Crudd - the climate change warrior!

    Yep, that's going to persuade the type of voter she needs to win over.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    PlatoSaid said:

    MikeL said:

    YossariansChild said:

    https://twitter.com/timesredbox/status/741000140840939520

    Well that doesn't suggest people think Boris is performing at PM level.
    I think Boris is being deliberately very measured, he's not rising to the bait and letting the ladies do the talking. I think it's working well.
    Encouraging to see that Boris is a team player. Doesn't have to be scoring all the goals - not when he is putting pin-point crosses into the box for others to score.
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Betfair utterly unmoved by this so far

    Betfair will only be moved if Leave are leading 55/45 at 3 a.m. on 24th June.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    I want to be able to vote for Gisella Stuart.

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