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Can we still fire our Trident based nukes at France?SandyRentool said:
We have to prostrate ourselves to Brussels in order to take the VAT off tampons.TheScreamingEagles said:
We are a self governing nation setting an example to Europe.Casino_Royale said:
Exactly. Why are so many Remainers afraid of Britain governing itself and setting a free, democratic example to the whole of Europe?TheScreamingEagles said:
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men (and women) are afraid of the light.JohnO said:
What is it with these Greek 'philosophers' (sic)?TheScreamingEagles said:
I don't think that Socrates is the most impartial observer.JohnO said:
Utter drivel of course. Only an imbecile would think that the Cabinet Office has anything to do with Ministerial appointments. Unless this 'friend' is close to Mark Harper (Chief Whip), Osborne or Cameron then they haven't a clue. Dear oh dear.Scott_P said:
Are you offering odds?Casino_Royale said:Interesting:
Socrates
@suttonnick I have a friend who works in Cabinet Office. She's been offered a ministerial position for this in the coming reshuffle.
From his time line
David Cameron has shown he hates England, and thinks it is "little" without the European Union. The man is a traitor to his country.
You don't need to have done PPE to know that.
Very self governing.
(And I say this as a PPE wonk)
Yup we can, can't get more self governing than that.0 -
Not many viewers would assume that Nicola Sturgeon has the best interests of the United Kingdom at heart.PeterC said:
That is right, of course in the literal sense. I was thinking of something more visceral - and English impulse that the SNP does not have England's best interest at heart and is not to be trusted.TOPPING said:
That's all done with, though. This isn't about the SNP holding the strings of a potential UK PM. We've moved on.PeterC said:
That is certainly true. Just remember how the SNP meme played in England in 2015.Sean_F said:
I would expect left wing viewers to prefer Sturgeon, and right wing viewers to prefer Johnson, but Johnson to be more popular overall.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Fair question. She is a consummate politician and I expect her to attack Boris, Gove and IDS hard from the left and will exploit Sarah Wollaston's defection with ease. I also expect a full frontal attack on Farage and probably a clever tying of Vote Leave to Farage. (I think Vote Leave always worrieed about this). The danger for leave is that she will influence the left who are needed to vote remainblackburn63 said:
Do you think, on the whole, Sturgeon is popular in England?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Last ITV debate had four million but this has box office 'Sturgeon v Boris'. Also the broadcast media will put it out on their news channels incessantly, as they dodavid_herdson said:
When you say 'beamed to the nation', how many people are we expecting to tune in, and how many of them will be undecided?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.0 -
What would Salmond/Sturgeon's reaction have been, if Cameron had derided the SNP as "Little Scotsman" in the Sindy Ref debate?
That's the equivalent of what Remain are trying now. Appalling.
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Yes, that sounds more likely.TGOHF said:
Parallels with Labour here - there will be no angry backlash against the leadership - just slow disconnection as supporters drift off to do something better with their time.NickPalmer said:We're seeing a lot of serious disillusion here from Tory loyalists, but I wonder if it will survive the arrival of a new leader. Whoever it is will obviously make conciliatory noises all round - time to remember what binds us together, respect the dcecision (whatever it is), work together for Britain, etc. I think the dissidents will all fall into line again, unless the new leader has seriously burned his boats.
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Indeed, but it's still just a glorified ITV version of Question Time featuring names not quite as big as the Cameron/Farage event.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The format is different, tonight's is a debate between three on each side hosted by Julie Etchingham, who is very professional, unlike Cameron following Faragedavid_herdson said:
I would have thought that the PM v the leader of UKIP has more box office in an EURef, particularly as it was on first. Time will tell.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Last ITV debate had four million but this has box office 'Sturgeon v Boris'. Also the broadcast media will put it out on their news channels incessantly, as they dodavid_herdson said:
When you say 'beamed to the nation', how many people are we expecting to tune in, and how many of them will be undecided?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.0 -
His aide was asking him something, he was staring at his smartphone and muttered 'will talk to Cameron about it later'. It was back in 2013.GIN1138 said:
I bet that was a "nice" experience...Casino_Royale said:I shared a lift with George Osborne - twice.
Today, he might get the Brutus treatment from me ;-)0 -
Also a factor, yes.PeterC said:
That is right, of course in the literal sense. I was thinking of something more visceral - and English impulse that the SNP does not have England's best interest at heart and is not to be trusted.TOPPING said:
That's all done with, though. This isn't about the SNP holding the strings of a potential UK PM. We've moved on.PeterC said:
That is certainly true. Just remember how the SNP meme played in England in 2015.Sean_F said:
I would expect left wing viewers to prefer Sturgeon, and right wing viewers to prefer Johnson, but Johnson to be more popular overall.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Fair question. She is a consummate politician and I expect her to attack Boris, Gove and IDS hard from the left and will exploit Sarah Wollaston's defection with ease. I also expect a full frontal attack on Farage and probably a clever tying of Vote Leave to Farage. (I think Vote Leave always worrieed about this). The danger for leave is that she will influence the left who are needed to vote remainblackburn63 said:
Do you think, on the whole, Sturgeon is popular in England?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Last ITV debate had four million but this has box office 'Sturgeon v Boris'. Also the broadcast media will put it out on their news channels incessantly, as they dodavid_herdson said:
When you say 'beamed to the nation', how many people are we expecting to tune in, and how many of them will be undecided?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.0 -
You mean your George Osborne's nephew and rumours he's actually your Dad according to some?Casino_Royale said:
His aide was asking him something, he was staring at his smartphone and muttered 'will talk to Cameron about it later'. It was back in 2013.GIN1138 said:
I bet that was a "nice" experience...Casino_Royale said:I shared a lift with George Osborne - twice.
Today, he might get the Brutus treatment from me ;-)0 -
Hi I don't see any get out the vote events there just canvassing.Casino_Royale said:
Hi nunu: see here and follow up with a phone call: http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/organisenunu said:Any Leavers need me to Get Out the postal vote in London (central and Northwest mainly) I really want to help after seeing Osborne yesterday-I mean that lie on not undrstanding how the triple lock works??
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Several constituencies have 'sacked' Farage but he's still here being a blight on the UK.MaxPB said:As for the Nigel Farage stuff, the response from Leave should be a very simple one. Help us sack Nige by voting Leave.
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No, it wasn't a direct debate but I don't think the format is particularly important. The most important leader event in the 2015GE turned out to be the sequential one towards the end, with Miliband's 'no we didn't overspend' comment, rather than the 7-way debate early on.PlatoSaid said:
It wasn't a debate though - IIRC tonight at Wembley is a debate of 3 vs 3.david_herdson said:
I would have thought that the PM v the leader of UKIP has more box office in an EURef, particularly as it was on first. Time will tell.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Last ITV debate had four million but this has box office 'Sturgeon v Boris'. Also the broadcast media will put it out on their news channels incessantly, as they dodavid_herdson said:
When you say 'beamed to the nation', how many people are we expecting to tune in, and how many of them will be undecided?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.0 -
Cameron is in a hole about immigration. Having previously said he would drastically cut it, he can't now point out that Brexit won't make a material difference to the number of immigrants coming in. The "little England" tag is a way of avoiding having to admit that high immigration levels are an attribute of an open society in a globalised world. It's desperate, but that's where he is.Morris_Dancer said:I wonder if foreknowledge of Wollaston's defection is the reason Cameron started referring to Nigel Farage's Little England.
The timing of the defection is also helpful for Remain.
Leave were undoubtedly aware of the risks of going strongly anti-immigration. Their one pager mentioned it but didn't stress it unlike the £350 million a week figure that they repeated four times. They changed their minds.0 -
Anyone who thinks Nicola Sturgeon or the SNP are 'left wing' hasn't been paying attention:midwinter said:
My point is that Tory voting remainers such as myself are going to find it very hard to support a left wing ScotTheWhiteRabbit said:
Sturgeon was an impressive performer in the GE debates. Obviously she has to be careful about lecturing the English - definitely plenty of pitfalls there - but the risk is so blindly obvious I assume she was twigged.midwinter said:
Sturgeon won't help Remain in England. Especially not against Boris.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.
Free University Education for the Middle Classes at the expense of the poor
Free prescriptions for the rich at the expense of council services
McStasi State Snooper for every child
Its a right wing wet dream......0 -
And exactly what's happening to the Welsh and NI Leave voters now - it's provoked a load of bad feeling to be lumped in like this.MarkHopkins said:
What would Salmond/Sturgeon's reaction have been, if Cameron had derided the SNP as "Little Scotsman" in the Sindy Ref debate?
That's the equivalent of what Remain are trying now. Appalling.
Clearly Remain Tories think its very big and clever. It sounds very sneery to me.0 -
Well he wouldn't even be a useless MEP if we leave. His purpose in UK public life would be over, vote remain to keep him banging on about this stuff and blighting our TV screens and newspapers for another 10 years.TheScreamingEagles said:
Several constituencies have 'sacked' Farage but he's still here being a blight on the UK.MaxPB said:As for the Nigel Farage stuff, the response from Leave should be a very simple one. Help us sack Nige by voting Leave.
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In what way is 'big state' right-wing?CarlottaVance said:
Anyone who thinks Nicola Sturgeon or the SNP are 'left wing' hasn't been paying attention:midwinter said:
My point is that Tory voting remainers such as myself are going to find it very hard to support a left wing ScotTheWhiteRabbit said:
Sturgeon was an impressive performer in the GE debates. Obviously she has to be careful about lecturing the English - definitely plenty of pitfalls there - but the risk is so blindly obvious I assume she was twigged.midwinter said:
Sturgeon won't help Remain in England. Especially not against Boris.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.
Free University Education for the Middle Classes at the expense of the poor
Free prescriptions for the rich at the expense of council services
McStasi State Snooper for every child
Its a right wing wet dream......0 -
I'm surprised you didn't work 'your mum' into that.TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean your George Osborne's nephew and rumours he's actually your Dad according to some?Casino_Royale said:
His aide was asking him something, he was staring at his smartphone and muttered 'will talk to Cameron about it later'. It was back in 2013.GIN1138 said:
I bet that was a "nice" experience...Casino_Royale said:I shared a lift with George Osborne - twice.
Today, he might get the Brutus treatment from me ;-)0 -
The Wollaston defection could prove ruinous for Leave in the following way. While some Leavers base their position on reason, for many, especially since the cult of the later Thatcher, being a euro-sceptic has simply been a condition of being right-wing. If people start looking at Wollaston and thinking 'do I actually believe this guff or am I just doing what I think's expected of me?' then the cult aspect of Leave could start to crumble. Leave can't afford that.0
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I'm not that crude.Casino_Royale said:
I'm surprised you didn't work 'your mum' into that.TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean your George Osborne's nephew and rumours he's actually your Dad according to some?Casino_Royale said:
His aide was asking him something, he was staring at his smartphone and muttered 'will talk to Cameron about it later'. It was back in 2013.GIN1138 said:
I bet that was a "nice" experience...Casino_Royale said:I shared a lift with George Osborne - twice.
Today, he might get the Brutus treatment from me ;-)
Plus its 'yo' momma'0 -
The last one strikes me as more communist and authoritarian than right wing, especially given that Ruth tried to kill it but the Lib Dems, Greens and Labour are too bloody spineless.CarlottaVance said:
Anyone who thinks Nicola Sturgeon or the SNP are 'left wing' hasn't been paying attention:midwinter said:
My point is that Tory voting remainers such as myself are going to find it very hard to support a left wing ScotTheWhiteRabbit said:
Sturgeon was an impressive performer in the GE debates. Obviously she has to be careful about lecturing the English - definitely plenty of pitfalls there - but the risk is so blindly obvious I assume she was twigged.midwinter said:
Sturgeon won't help Remain in England. Especially not against Boris.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.
Free University Education for the Middle Classes at the expense of the poor
Free prescriptions for the rich at the expense of council services
McStasi State Snooper for every child
Its a right wing wet dream......0 -
david_herdson said:
Indeed, but it's still just a glorified ITV version of Question Time featuring names not quite as big as the Cameron/Farage event.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The format is different, tonight's is a debate between three on each side hosted by Julie Etchingham, who is very professional, unlike Cameron following Faragedavid_herdson said:
I would have thought that the PM v the leader of UKIP has more box office in an EURef, particularly as it was on first. Time will tell.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Last ITV debate had four million but this has box office 'Sturgeon v Boris'. Also the broadcast media will put it out on their news channels incessantly, as they dodavid_herdson said:
When you say 'beamed to the nation', how many people are we expecting to tune in, and how many of them will be undecided?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.
Boris and Nicola are important figures in all of this.
What Nicola wants and says was toxic in middle England last year while Boris, on form, projects and enthuses the same group in a way that none of his contemporaries do.
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ARe you it was twice?Casino_Royale said:
I'm surprised you didn't work 'your mum' into that.TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean your George Osborne's nephew and rumours he's actually your Dad according to some?Casino_Royale said:
His aide was asking him something, he was staring at his smartphone and muttered 'will talk to Cameron about it later'. It was back in 2013.GIN1138 said:
I bet that was a "nice" experience...Casino_Royale said:I shared a lift with George Osborne - twice.
Today, he might get the Brutus treatment from me ;-)
Could you and Osbo just have been seeing double?0 -
Is that research ERC funded ?TheScreamingEagles said:This has to be the worst excuse for saying 'I'm not in the mood'
Couples ‘delaying having babies because of fears over a Brexit’
Couples are delaying having children because of worries about the uncertainties of a Brexit, a senior London academic said today.
Professor Michael Bruter of LSE discovered evidence that young voters in particular were “far less likely to make family plans” before the June 23 vote.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/couples-delaying-having-babies-because-of-fears-over-a-brexit-a3267481.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Research_Council0 -
bad news for you then, Wollaston already knocked off the news cycle for Libya and Blair/Major joint campaigning!Stark_Dawning said:The Wollaston defection could prove ruinous for Leave in the following way. While some Leavers base their position on reason, for many, especially since the cult of the later Thatcher, being a euro-sceptic has simply been a condition of being right-wing. If people start looking at Wollaston and thinking 'do I actually believe this guff or am I just doing what I think's expected of me?' then the cult aspect of Leave could start to crumble. Leave can't afford that.
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Anyone know are we signed up to the ESM or is it just the EZ countries
this video is a bit worrying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg4goZxXRZk0 -
Yes, it was in the Trinity term of my first year - and a couple of friends and I had excellent seats just behind the Yes despatch box. I forgot to record the Parliament Channel programme (was mountain walking in Slovenia!) over the weekend to see whether we were caught on camera!TheScreamingEagles said:
Which reminds me, where you at the Oxford Union EC referendum debate in 1975 that featured Ted Heath, Jeremy Thorpe, Peter Shore, and Barbara Castle?JohnO said:
Perhaps we can tempt him with an egg, watrecress and hemlock sandwich for lunch.TheScreamingEagles said:
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men (and women) are afraid of the light.JohnO said:
What is it with these Greek 'philosophers' (sic)?TheScreamingEagles said:
I don't think that Socrates is the most impartial observer.JohnO said:
Utter drivel of course. Only an imbecile would think that the Cabinet Office has anything to do with Ministerial appointments. Unless this 'friend' is close to Mark Harper (Chief Whip), Osborne or Cameron then they haven't a clue. Dear oh dear.Scott_P said:
Are you offering odds?Casino_Royale said:Interesting:
Socrates
@suttonnick I have a friend who works in Cabinet Office. She's been offered a ministerial position for this in the coming reshuffle.
From his time line
David Cameron has shown he hates England, and thinks it is "little" without the European Union. The man is a traitor to his country.0 -
By contrast, when the SNP were battling hard for Scotland - a few said they wished they could have someone as passionate arguing for the English case.Sean_F said:
Not many viewers would assume that Nicola Sturgeon has the best interests of the United Kingdom at heart.PeterC said:
That is right, of course in the literal sense. I was thinking of something more visceral - and English impulse that the SNP does not have England's best interest at heart and is not to be trusted.TOPPING said:
That's all done with, though. This isn't about the SNP holding the strings of a potential UK PM. We've moved on.PeterC said:
That is certainly true. Just remember how the SNP meme played in England in 2015.Sean_F said:
I would expect left wing viewers to prefer Sturgeon, and right wing viewers to prefer Johnson, but Johnson to be more popular overall.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Fair question. She is a consummate politician and I expect her to attack Boris, Gove and IDS hard from the left and will exploit Sarah Wollaston's defection with ease. I also expect a full frontal attack on Farage and probably a clever tying of Vote Leave to Farage. (I think Vote Leave always worrieed about this). The danger for leave is that she will influence the left who are needed to vote remainblackburn63 said:
Do you think, on the whole, Sturgeon is popular in England?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Last ITV debate had four million but this has box office 'Sturgeon v Boris'. Also the broadcast media will put it out on their news channels incessantly, as they dodavid_herdson said:
When you say 'beamed to the nation', how many people are we expecting to tune in, and how many of them will be undecided?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.
That she's on the EU-side here is interesting. She's keen on Scottish sovereignty - how she plays this tonight is the main reason I'm watching. Salmond has been using it as a coded stick to beat Remain since Day 1.0 -
So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
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You have to sign up and get in touch - take the initiative.nunu said:
Hi I don't see any get out the vote events there just canvassing.Casino_Royale said:
Hi nunu: see here and follow up with a phone call: http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/organisenunu said:Any Leavers need me to Get Out the postal vote in London (central and Northwest mainly) I really want to help after seeing Osborne yesterday-I mean that lie on not undrstanding how the triple lock works??
Or speak to Royal Blue who is working for VL in SE London.0 -
You're, not your.TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean your George Osborne's nephew and rumours he's actually your Dad according to some?Casino_Royale said:
His aide was asking him something, he was staring at his smartphone and muttered 'will talk to Cameron about it later'. It was back in 2013.GIN1138 said:
I bet that was a "nice" experience...Casino_Royale said:I shared a lift with George Osborne - twice.
Today, he might get the Brutus treatment from me ;-)0 -
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Triglav ?JohnO said:
Yes, it was in the Trinity term of my first year - and a couple of friends and I had excellent seats just behind the Yes despatch box. I forgot to record the Parliament Channel programme (was mountain walking in Slovenia!) over the weekend to see whether we were caught on camera!TheScreamingEagles said:
Which reminds me, where you at the Oxford Union EC referendum debate in 1975 that featured Ted Heath, Jeremy Thorpe, Peter Shore, and Barbara Castle?JohnO said:
Perhaps we can tempt him with an egg, watrecress and hemlock sandwich for lunch.TheScreamingEagles said:
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men (and women) are afraid of the light.JohnO said:
What is it with these Greek 'philosophers' (sic)?TheScreamingEagles said:
I don't think that Socrates is the most impartial observer.JohnO said:
Utter drivel of course. Only an imbecile would think that the Cabinet Office has anything to do with Ministerial appointments. Unless this 'friend' is close to Mark Harper (Chief Whip), Osborne or Cameron then they haven't a clue. Dear oh dear.Scott_P said:
Are you offering odds?Casino_Royale said:Interesting:
Socrates
@suttonnick I have a friend who works in Cabinet Office. She's been offered a ministerial position for this in the coming reshuffle.
From his time line
David Cameron has shown he hates England, and thinks it is "little" without the European Union. The man is a traitor to his country.
Lovely place.0 -
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
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Alex Hales you muppet!0
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I'm fairly certain I saw someone who looked like a younger version of your good self there.JohnO said:
Yes, it was in the Trinity term of my first year - and a couple of friends and I had excellent seats just behind the Yes despatch box. I forgot to record the Parliament Channel programme (was mountain walking in Slovenia!) over the weekend to see whether we were caught on camera!TheScreamingEagles said:
Which reminds me, where you at the Oxford Union EC referendum debate in 1975 that featured Ted Heath, Jeremy Thorpe, Peter Shore, and Barbara Castle?JohnO said:
Perhaps we can tempt him with an egg, watrecress and hemlock sandwich for lunch.TheScreamingEagles said:
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men (and women) are afraid of the light.JohnO said:
What is it with these Greek 'philosophers' (sic)?TheScreamingEagles said:
I don't think that Socrates is the most impartial observer.JohnO said:
Utter drivel of course. Only an imbecile would think that the Cabinet Office has anything to do with Ministerial appointments. Unless this 'friend' is close to Mark Harper (Chief Whip), Osborne or Cameron then they haven't a clue. Dear oh dear.Scott_P said:
Are you offering odds?Casino_Royale said:Interesting:
Socrates
@suttonnick I have a friend who works in Cabinet Office. She's been offered a ministerial position for this in the coming reshuffle.
From his time line
David Cameron has shown he hates England, and thinks it is "little" without the European Union. The man is a traitor to his country.
Both parts are still on the iplayer.0 -
Maybe so...but it's the public perception that matters, and in England it's going to be hard not to root for Boris.CarlottaVance said:
Anyone who thinks Nicola Sturgeon or the SNP are 'left wing' hasn't been paying attention:midwinter said:
My point is that Tory voting remainers such as myself are going to find it very hard to support a left wing ScotTheWhiteRabbit said:
Sturgeon was an impressive performer in the GE debates. Obviously she has to be careful about lecturing the English - definitely plenty of pitfalls there - but the risk is so blindly obvious I assume she was twigged.midwinter said:
Sturgeon won't help Remain in England. Especially not against Boris.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.
Free University Education for the Middle Classes at the expense of the poor
Free prescriptions for the rich at the expense of council services
McStasi State Snooper for every child
Its a right wing wet dream......0 -
If you're in North London send me a vanilla message and I can put you in touch with our local organiser.nunu said:
Hi I don't see any get out the vote events there just canvassing.Casino_Royale said:
Hi nunu: see here and follow up with a phone call: http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/organisenunu said:Any Leavers need me to Get Out the postal vote in London (central and Northwest mainly) I really want to help after seeing Osborne yesterday-I mean that lie on not undrstanding how the triple lock works??
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I'm blaming auto-correct, except I'm using my laptop, and not my iPhone or iPad.MaxPB said:
You're, not your.TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean your George Osborne's nephew and rumours he's actually your Dad according to some?Casino_Royale said:
His aide was asking him something, he was staring at his smartphone and muttered 'will talk to Cameron about it later'. It was back in 2013.GIN1138 said:
I bet that was a "nice" experience...Casino_Royale said:I shared a lift with George Osborne - twice.
Today, he might get the Brutus treatment from me ;-)0 -
Rushes downstairs to record.....TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm fairly certain I saw someone who looked like a younger version of your good self there.JohnO said:
Yes, it was in the Trinity term of my first year - and a couple of friends and I had excellent seats just behind the Yes despatch box. I forgot to record the Parliament Channel programme (was mountain walking in Slovenia!) over the weekend to see whether we were caught on camera!TheScreamingEagles said:
Which reminds me, where you at the Oxford Union EC referendum debate in 1975 that featured Ted Heath, Jeremy Thorpe, Peter Shore, and Barbara Castle?JohnO said:
Perhaps we can tempt him with an egg, watrecress and hemlock sandwich for lunch.TheScreamingEagles said:
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men (and women) are afraid of the light.JohnO said:
What is it with these Greek 'philosophers' (sic)?TheScreamingEagles said:
I don't think that Socrates is the most impartial observer.JohnO said:
Utter drivel of course. Only an imbecile would think that the Cabinet Office has anything to do with Ministerial appointments. Unless this 'friend' is close to Mark Harper (Chief Whip), Osborne or Cameron then they haven't a clue. Dear oh dear.Scott_P said:
Are you offering odds?Casino_Royale said:Interesting:
Socrates
@suttonnick I have a friend who works in Cabinet Office. She's been offered a ministerial position for this in the coming reshuffle.
From his time line
David Cameron has shown he hates England, and thinks it is "little" without the European Union. The man is a traitor to his country.
Both parts are still on the iplayer.0 -
Not in this country it isn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm not that crude.Casino_Royale said:
I'm surprised you didn't work 'your mum' into that.TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean your George Osborne's nephew and rumours he's actually your Dad according to some?Casino_Royale said:
His aide was asking him something, he was staring at his smartphone and muttered 'will talk to Cameron about it later'. It was back in 2013.GIN1138 said:
I bet that was a "nice" experience...Casino_Royale said:I shared a lift with George Osborne - twice.
Today, he might get the Brutus treatment from me ;-)
Plus its 'yo' momma'0 -
this is how the headlines will see it, it's easy for the tabloids to exaggerate, Massively stupid of Blair and Major to link IRA terrorism to staying in the EU.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.0 -
Yes, Cameron insults Little Englanders and we all know what Little Englanders think of Sturgeon.chestnut said:david_herdson said:
Indeed, but it's still just a glorified ITV version of Question Time featuring names not quite as big as the Cameron/Farage event.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The format is different, tonight's is a debate between three on each side hosted by Julie Etchingham, who is very professional, unlike Cameron following Faragedavid_herdson said:
I would have thought that the PM v the leader of UKIP has more box office in an EURef, particularly as it was on first. Time will tell.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Last ITV debate had four million but this has box office 'Sturgeon v Boris'. Also the broadcast media will put it out on their news channels incessantly, as they dodavid_herdson said:
When you say 'beamed to the nation', how many people are we expecting to tune in, and how many of them will be undecided?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.
Boris and Nicola are important figures in all of this.
What Nicola wants and says was toxic in middle England last year while Boris, on form, projects and enthuses the same group in a way that none of his contemporaries do.0 -
A literal bomb under your economy.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.0 -
The one thing to know about Nicola Sturgeon is that she doesn't care about the rest of the UK. She will be pitching to Scottish opinion. Looking statesman-like and operating at the highest level is part of thatPlatoSaid said:
By contrast, when the SNP were battling hard for Scotland - a few said they wished they could have someone as passionate arguing for the English case.Sean_F said:
Not many viewers would assume that Nicola Sturgeon has the best interests of the United Kingdom at heart.PeterC said:
That is right, of course in the literal sense. I was thinking of something more visceral - and English impulse that the SNP does not have England's best interest at heart and is not to be trusted.TOPPING said:
That's all done with, though. This isn't about the SNP holding the strings of a potential UK PM. We've moved on.PeterC said:
That is certainly true. Just remember how the SNP meme played in England in 2015.Sean_F said:
I would expect left wing viewers to prefer Sturgeon, and right wing viewers to prefer Johnson, but Johnson to be more popular overall.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Fair question. She is a consummate politician and I expect her to attack Boris, Gove and IDS hard from the left and will exploit Sarah Wollaston's defection with ease. I also expect a full frontal attack on Farage and probably a clever tying of Vote Leave to Farage. (I think Vote Leave always worrieed about this). The danger for leave is that she will influence the left who are needed to vote remainblackburn63 said:
Do you think, on the whole, Sturgeon is popular in England?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Last ITV debate had four million but this has box office 'Sturgeon v Boris'. Also the broadcast media will put it out on their news channels incessantly, as they dodavid_herdson said:
When you say 'beamed to the nation', how many people are we expecting to tune in, and how many of them will be undecided?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.
That she's on the EU-side here is interesting. She's keen on Scottish sovereignty - how she plays this tonight is the main reason I'm watching. Salmond has been using it as a coded stick to beat Remain since Day 1.0 -
Sarkozy head to head more relevant tho!rcs1000 said:
Juppe leads Le Pen 70:30 in the second round.Jobabob said:
The FN won't win in France.Indigo said:
And then he is going to try and govern with all those people he brutalised on his backbenches... good luck with that. It won't be about remain or leave by then, it will be personal.LadyBucket said:Leave are in for a complete battering over the next two weeks. The PM and No 10 are going to be absolutely brutal.
Personally I think the real hilarity is going to be Dodgy Dave tearing his party to pieces, making it so that one half the party can't talk to the other without spitting, so that he can stay in his beloved EU... and then FN win in France and the EU implodes. Failing that, he will lose his majority to the kippers in 2020, 5% of voters moving from the Tories to UKIP and they will win 30 seats, and that's the end of that.0 -
Just watched Sarah Wollaston interviewed by Brillo.
Are we still waiting for a "proper journo" ?0 -
What we want is REMAIN winning but only due to Scottish votes. That would be a real hoot and poetic justice.HYUFD said:
Or equally Remain winning despite England outside London voting LeaveJobabob said:@Sean_Fear
What a horrific picture. Leave winning despite every major city and commercial centre voting Remain.0 -
@MSmithsonPB: LEAVE down from a 31% chance on Betfair on Monday to 22% now0
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I find it hard to see why Les Républicains would commit electoral suicide and go for Sarkozy ahead of Juppe.Charles said:
Sarkozy head to head more relevant tho!rcs1000 said:
Juppe leads Le Pen 70:30 in the second round.Jobabob said:
The FN won't win in France.Indigo said:
And then he is going to try and govern with all those people he brutalised on his backbenches... good luck with that. It won't be about remain or leave by then, it will be personal.LadyBucket said:Leave are in for a complete battering over the next two weeks. The PM and No 10 are going to be absolutely brutal.
Personally I think the real hilarity is going to be Dodgy Dave tearing his party to pieces, making it so that one half the party can't talk to the other without spitting, so that he can stay in his beloved EU... and then FN win in France and the EU implodes. Failing that, he will lose his majority to the kippers in 2020, 5% of voters moving from the Tories to UKIP and they will win 30 seats, and that's the end of that.0 -
LOL!PlatoSaid said:
A literal bomb under your economy.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.0 -
I hope we see as much of Blair as possible over the next two weeks.Brom said:
bad news for you then, Wollaston already knocked off the news cycle for Libya and Blair/Major joint campaigning!Stark_Dawning said:The Wollaston defection could prove ruinous for Leave in the following way. While some Leavers base their position on reason, for many, especially since the cult of the later Thatcher, being a euro-sceptic has simply been a condition of being right-wing. If people start looking at Wollaston and thinking 'do I actually believe this guff or am I just doing what I think's expected of me?' then the cult aspect of Leave could start to crumble. Leave can't afford that.
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Are we getting close to the angst of SIndy? I don't think so yet - but with two weeks of this to go, I'm beginning to wonder.0
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Thought Sarah Wollaston acquitted herself well and with dignity in the interview with Andrew Neil, who was a tad too hectoring - she just waited patiently until he stopped.0
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For sure Westminster does not have Scotland's interests at heart and shafts us as regularly as they can , big difference is that neither Scotland or Sturgeon can influence any decision made in England given the disparity in size.Sean_F said:
Not many viewers would assume that Nicola Sturgeon has the best interests of the United Kingdom at heart.PeterC said:
That is right, of course in the literal sense. I was thinking of something more visceral - and English impulse that the SNP does not have England's best interest at heart and is not to be trusted.TOPPING said:
That's all done with, though. This isn't about the SNP holding the strings of a potential UK PM. We've moved on.PeterC said:
That is certainly true. Just remember how the SNP meme played in England in 2015.Sean_F said:
I would expect left wing viewers to prefer Sturgeon, and right wing viewers to prefer Johnson, but Johnson to be more popular overall.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Fair question. She is a consummate politician and I expect her to attack Boris, Gove and IDS hard from the left and will exploit Sarah Wollaston's defection with ease. I also expect a full frontal attack on Farage and probably a clever tying of Vote Leave to Farage. (I think Vote Leave always worrieed about this). The danger for leave is that she will influence the left who are needed to vote remainblackburn63 said:
Do you think, on the whole, Sturgeon is popular in England?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Last ITV debate had four million but this has box office 'Sturgeon v Boris'. Also the broadcast media will put it out on their news channels incessantly, as they dodavid_herdson said:
When you say 'beamed to the nation', how many people are we expecting to tune in, and how many of them will be undecided?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.0 -
No were getting to they all have nothing much to say so it's back to personalities.PlatoSaid said:Are we getting close to the angst of SIndy? I don't think so yet - but with two weeks of this to go, I'm beginning to wonder.
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The SNP have shrunk, relative to England & Wales, spending on both Health & Education - all the things they accuse the Tories of wanting to do, they've done themselves....david_herdson said:
In what way is 'big state' right-wing?CarlottaVance said:
Anyone who thinks Nicola Sturgeon or the SNP are 'left wing' hasn't been paying attention:midwinter said:
My point is that Tory voting remainers such as myself are going to find it very hard to support a left wing ScotTheWhiteRabbit said:
Sturgeon was an impressive performer in the GE debates. Obviously she has to be careful about lecturing the English - definitely plenty of pitfalls there - but the risk is so blindly obvious I assume she was twigged.midwinter said:
Sturgeon won't help Remain in England. Especially not against Boris.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.
Free University Education for the Middle Classes at the expense of the poor
Free prescriptions for the rich at the expense of council services
McStasi State Snooper for every child
Its a right wing wet dream......0 -
Me too - I had to switch him off earlier.Casino_Royale said:
I hope we see as much of Blair as possible over the next two weeks.Brom said:
bad news for you then, Wollaston already knocked off the news cycle for Libya and Blair/Major joint campaigning!Stark_Dawning said:The Wollaston defection could prove ruinous for Leave in the following way. While some Leavers base their position on reason, for many, especially since the cult of the later Thatcher, being a euro-sceptic has simply been a condition of being right-wing. If people start looking at Wollaston and thinking 'do I actually believe this guff or am I just doing what I think's expected of me?' then the cult aspect of Leave could start to crumble. Leave can't afford that.
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If also point out that, technically, he hadnt linked the 2 sentences. They are independent statements.JohnO said:
Utter drivel of course. Only an imbecile would think that the Cabinet Office has anything to do with Ministerial appointments. Unless this 'friend' is close to Mark Harper (Chief Whip), Osborne or Cameron then they haven't a clue. Dear oh dear.Scott_P said:
Are you offering odds?Casino_Royale said:Interesting:
Socrates
@suttonnick I have a friend who works in Cabinet Office. She's been offered a ministerial position for this in the coming reshuffle.0 -
The Armalite and the Plebiscite.PlatoSaid said:
A literal bomb under your economy.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.0 -
If we are self governing, why did the PM tell everyone that it was "appauling" to suggest that we would have to pay that extra 1.7bn tax for drug dealers... and then pay it anyway. Either he is a liar, or he doesn't run the country, your choice.TheScreamingEagles said:
We are a self governing nation setting an example to Europe.Casino_Royale said:
Exactly. Why are so many Remainers afraid of Britain governing itself and setting a free, democratic example to the whole of Europe?TheScreamingEagles said:
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men (and women) are afraid of the light.JohnO said:
What is it with these Greek 'philosophers' (sic)?TheScreamingEagles said:
I don't think that Socrates is the most impartial observer.JohnO said:
Utter drivel of course. Only an imbecile would think that the Cabinet Office has anything to do with Ministerial appointments. Unless this 'friend' is close to Mark Harper (Chief Whip), Osborne or Cameron then they haven't a clue. Dear oh dear.Scott_P said:
Are you offering odds?Casino_Royale said:Interesting:
Socrates
@suttonnick I have a friend who works in Cabinet Office. She's been offered a ministerial position for this in the coming reshuffle.
From his time line
David Cameron has shown he hates England, and thinks it is "little" without the European Union. The man is a traitor to his country.
You don't need to have done PPE to know that.0 -
Time to top up on Leave bets then.Scott_P said:@MSmithsonPB: LEAVE down from a 31% chance on Betfair on Monday to 22% now
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The thinking is that if there are border controls between Ireland and the UK, that could inflame nationalists.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Good article in the Graun
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/brexit-threat-northern-ireland-border-communities
The vision of border controls plays into the hands of those who have yet to realise the armed struggle is over,” wrote Orde. “Any step backwards is a really bad idea.”0 -
Ha!Alanbrooke said:
No were getting to they all have nothing much to say so it's back to personalities.PlatoSaid said:Are we getting close to the angst of SIndy? I don't think so yet - but with two weeks of this to go, I'm beginning to wonder.
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A great name for a pub.SandyRentool said:
The Armalite and the Plebiscite.PlatoSaid said:
A literal bomb under your economy.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.0 -
Carlotta spouting her rabid lies again, nothing is FREE, the people pay for everythingdavid_herdson said:
In what way is 'big state' right-wing?CarlottaVance said:
Anyone who thinks Nicola Sturgeon or the SNP are 'left wing' hasn't been paying attention:midwinter said:
My point is that Tory voting remainers such as myself are going to find it very hard to support a left wing ScotTheWhiteRabbit said:
Sturgeon was an impressive performer in the GE debates. Obviously she has to be careful about lecturing the English - definitely plenty of pitfalls there - but the risk is so blindly obvious I assume she was twigged.midwinter said:
Sturgeon won't help Remain in England. Especially not against Boris.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.
Free University Education for the Middle Classes at the expense of the poor
Free prescriptions for the rich at the expense of council services
McStasi State Snooper for every child
Its a right wing wet dream......0 -
So you concede my point theoretically, but you just don't think the news coverage is there? Thanks!Brom said:
bad news for you then, Wollaston already knocked off the news cycle for Libya and Blair/Major joint campaigning!Stark_Dawning said:The Wollaston defection could prove ruinous for Leave in the following way. While some Leavers base their position on reason, for many, especially since the cult of the later Thatcher, being a euro-sceptic has simply been a condition of being right-wing. If people start looking at Wollaston and thinking 'do I actually believe this guff or am I just doing what I think's expected of me?' then the cult aspect of Leave could start to crumble. Leave can't afford that.
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Blair and Major bowing to the gunmen. How low can these creatures go ?SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-364860160 -
What the...?GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
This is sad, the two Prime Ministers whose biggest achievement was securing peace in Northern Ireland, standing up and saying that that peace can only be maintained in the EU. Don't they see the magnitude of their own achievements in the mid '90s?0 -
Pointless scaremongering.TOPPING said:
The thinking is that if there are border controls between Ireland and the UK, that could inflame nationalists.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Good article in the Graun
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/brexit-threat-northern-ireland-border-communities
The vision of border controls plays into the hands of those who have yet to realise the armed struggle is over,” wrote Orde. “Any step backwards is a really bad idea.”
you really havent a clue on NI.0 -
This is interesting
@paulwaugh: Several ToryMPs say Govt whips pressuring em to defect - saying "you don't want to be associated with Farage's view of Britain". No10 panic?
Not sure it spells panic. If Remain are going to lose, switching would be a bad idea career wise0 -
EIRE may wish to follow us out but, if not, it may be free movement is retained for the island of Ireland but with border controls for the mainland.TOPPING said:
The thinking is that if there are border controls between Ireland and the UK, that could inflame nationalists.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Good article in the Graun
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/brexit-threat-northern-ireland-border-communities
The vision of border controls plays into the hands of those who have yet to realise the armed struggle is over,” wrote Orde. “Any step backwards is a really bad idea.”
A practical solution will be found, they always are.0 -
TOPPING said:
The thinking is that if there are border controls between Ireland and the UK, that could inflame nationalists.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Good article in the Graun
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/brexit-threat-northern-ireland-border-communities
The vision of border controls plays into the hands of those who have yet to realise the armed struggle is over,” wrote Orde. “Any step backwards is a really bad idea.”
That implies we should vote Remain to cave in to what terrorists would want.
And the government is pushing this line?
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The Scots can be relied upon to vote sensibly in referendums......malcolmg said:
What we want is REMAIN winning but only due to Scottish votes. That would be a real hoot and poetic justice.HYUFD said:
Or equally Remain winning despite England outside London voting LeaveJobabob said:@Sean_Fear
What a horrific picture. Leave winning despite every major city and commercial centre voting Remain.0 -
What a marvellous way of ensuring a high vote leave turnout from DUP supporters and sending wavering UUP supporters into the leave camp.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Not to mention hardline republicans still hoping that 'they havent gone away'0 -
Afternoon Malc.malcolmg said:
Carlotta spouting her rabid lies again, nothing is FREE, the people pay for everythingdavid_herdson said:
In what way is 'big state' right-wing?CarlottaVance said:
Anyone who thinks Nicola Sturgeon or the SNP are 'left wing' hasn't been paying attention:midwinter said:
My point is that Tory voting remainers such as myself are going to find it very hard to support a left wing ScotTheWhiteRabbit said:
Sturgeon was an impressive performer in the GE debates. Obviously she has to be careful about lecturing the English - definitely plenty of pitfalls there - but the risk is so blindly obvious I assume she was twigged.midwinter said:
Sturgeon won't help Remain in England. Especially not against Boris.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.
Free University Education for the Middle Classes at the expense of the poor
Free prescriptions for the rich at the expense of council services
McStasi State Snooper for every child
Its a right wing wet dream......
I can understand what the Nat's had to put up with in 2014... The full weight of the "establishment" unleashed in all it's arrogance is quite a sight to behold...0 -
Ireland is not in Schengen, it is in the CTA. If we left there wouldn't be any changes to this arrangement, anyone talking about border controls with Ireland is talking out of their arse.TOPPING said:
The thinking is that if there are border controls between Ireland and the UK, that could inflame nationalists.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Good article in the Graun
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/brexit-threat-northern-ireland-border-communities
The vision of border controls plays into the hands of those who have yet to realise the armed struggle is over,” wrote Orde. “Any step backwards is a really bad idea.”0 -
They are too busy registering to vote?TheScreamingEagles said:This has to be the worst excuse for saying 'I'm not in the mood'
Couples ‘delaying having babies because of fears over a Brexit’
Couples are delaying having children because of worries about the uncertainties of a Brexit, a senior London academic said today.
Professor Michael Bruter of LSE discovered evidence that young voters in particular were “far less likely to make family plans” before the June 23 vote.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/couples-delaying-having-babies-because-of-fears-over-a-brexit-a3267481.html0 -
I don't have a GCSE in it, if that's what you mean.Alanbrooke said:
Pointless scaremongering.TOPPING said:
The thinking is that if there are border controls between Ireland and the UK, that could inflame nationalists.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Good article in the Graun
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/brexit-threat-northern-ireland-border-communities
The vision of border controls plays into the hands of those who have yet to realise the armed struggle is over,” wrote Orde. “Any step backwards is a really bad idea.”
you really havent a clue on NI.
(GPMG perhaps..)0 -
Vote Remain keeps Farage in a job. Leave makes him redundant.Scott_P said:This is interesting
@paulwaugh: Several ToryMPs say Govt whips pressuring em to defect - saying "you don't want to be associated with Farage's view of Britain". No10 panic?
Not sure it spells panic. If Remain are going to lose, switching would be a bad idea career wise0 -
The Common Travel Area will be maintained, because:Casino_Royale said:
EIRE may wish to follow us out but, if not, it may be free movement is retained for the island of Ireland but with border controls for the mainland.TOPPING said:
The thinking is that if there are border controls between Ireland and the UK, that could inflame nationalists.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Good article in the Graun
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/brexit-threat-northern-ireland-border-communities
The vision of border controls plays into the hands of those who have yet to realise the armed struggle is over,” wrote Orde. “Any step backwards is a really bad idea.”
A practical solution will be found, they always are.
(a) it would have pretty severe economic consequences on the border communities
and
(b) it would be extremely expensive to police
Even during the height of the Troubles, when hundreds of British people were being killed every year, the border was kept open. That will not change post-Brexit as Ireland will not join Schengen.0 -
No, all hell will break loose when we vote to Remain and the EU continues to pursue an integrationist agenda. An awful lot has been held back until June 24th. I wonder what excuse the Eurofanatics will come up with.PlatoSaid said:Are we getting close to the angst of SIndy? I don't think so yet - but with two weeks of this to go, I'm beginning to wonder.
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Labour did in the 1970s, I think, as well? Same excuse too - please, sir: that big nasty boy made me do it.CarlottaVance said:
The SNP have shrunk, relative to England & Wales, spending on both Health & Education - all the things they accuse the Tories of wanting to do, they've done themselves....david_herdson said:
In what way is 'big state' right-wing?CarlottaVance said:
Anyone who thinks Nicola Sturgeon or the SNP are 'left wing' hasn't been paying attention:midwinter said:
My point is that Tory voting remainers such as myself are going to find it very hard to support a left wing ScotTheWhiteRabbit said:
Sturgeon was an impressive performer in the GE debates. Obviously she has to be careful about lecturing the English - definitely plenty of pitfalls there - but the risk is so blindly obvious I assume she was twigged.midwinter said:
Sturgeon won't help Remain in England. Especially not against Boris.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It will continue all day and be worse by 10.00pm as the ITV 2 hour debate featuring Sturgeon v Boris is beamed to the Nation with Sarah Wollaston's incendiary intervention being played big time by Nicola. This is not going awayBrom said:
i do agree. it's not discussed on any forums i read, not mentioned in the workplace. Will it still be the headline by the 10 o clock news? the BBC might be leading with it, but it's a slow news day. I just can't see the public who do hear about the story believe her reasoning.Wanderer said:Outstanding betting opportunity this morning.
Something is moving the market that almost certainly won't affect the result. Leave isn't significantly less likely than three days ago but has gone from 3.2 to 4.4. I'm back on it.
Free University Education for the Middle Classes at the expense of the poor
Free prescriptions for the rich at the expense of council services
McStasi State Snooper for every child
Its a right wing wet dream......0 -
Snap.MaxPB said:
Ireland is not in Schengen, it is in the CTA. If we left there wouldn't be any changes to this arrangement, anyone talking about border controls with Ireland is talking out of their arse.TOPPING said:
The thinking is that if there are border controls between Ireland and the UK, that could inflame nationalists.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Good article in the Graun
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/brexit-threat-northern-ireland-border-communities
The vision of border controls plays into the hands of those who have yet to realise the armed struggle is over,” wrote Orde. “Any step backwards is a really bad idea.”
Were you at the Gove lunch yesterday?0 -
It means that there are implications for the various courses of action that the government may take. Not that the government shouldn't take action.MarkHopkins said:TOPPING said:
The thinking is that if there are border controls between Ireland and the UK, that could inflame nationalists.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Good article in the Graun
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/brexit-threat-northern-ireland-border-communities
The vision of border controls plays into the hands of those who have yet to realise the armed struggle is over,” wrote Orde. “Any step backwards is a really bad idea.”
That implies we should vote Remain to cave in to what terrorists would want.
And the government is pushing this line?
You can lather yourself up or spin it as much as you like but it remains the case.0 -
A-ha. More evidence.Scott_P said:This is interesting
@paulwaugh: Several ToryMPs say Govt whips pressuring em to defect - saying "you don't want to be associated with Farage's view of Britain". No10 panic?
Not sure it spells panic. If Remain are going to lose, switching would be a bad idea career wise
The Government are trying to stall and prevent Leave from gaining any more momentum. The media love defector stories and this helps change the narrative.
Watch what Remain are doing, not what they claim.0 -
When PR contact lists go wrong.
@edreyesjourno: In receipt of press release for launch of 'provocatively sensual' lingerie brand. Think the PR team can't have read @lawsocgazette recently0 -
You have no feel for how the people there see things.TOPPING said:
I don't have a GCSE in it, if that's what you mean.Alanbrooke said:
Pointless scaremongering.TOPPING said:
The thinking is that if there are border controls between Ireland and the UK, that could inflame nationalists.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Good article in the Graun
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/brexit-threat-northern-ireland-border-communities
The vision of border controls plays into the hands of those who have yet to realise the armed struggle is over,” wrote Orde. “Any step backwards is a really bad idea.”
you really havent a clue on NI.
(GPMG perhaps..)
Twathead english politicians using NI for their own purposes isn't going to motivate anyone.
All the Prods hate Blair and all the catholics are suspicious of a Tory, so a joint team of the least trsuted politicians out selling a turd in a box is just a really stupid idea.0 -
Bertie Ahern begs to differ.MaxPB said:
Ireland is not in Schengen, it is in the CTA. If we left there wouldn't be any changes to this arrangement, anyone talking about border controls with Ireland is talking out of their arse.TOPPING said:
The thinking is that if there are border controls between Ireland and the UK, that could inflame nationalists.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Good article in the Graun
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/brexit-threat-northern-ireland-border-communities
The vision of border controls plays into the hands of those who have yet to realise the armed struggle is over,” wrote Orde. “Any step backwards is a really bad idea.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/04/bertie-ahern-uk-reimpose-irish-border-after-brexit-eu-northern-ireland0 -
Quite which is why Leave, as Max says below, don't want to allow themselves to be distracted by this and indeed might want to privately have a word with some of their more swivel eyed supporters who are getting on Sarah's case on twitter and elsewhere. Me I pounded the steets last Sunday in Leave's cause and if anyone is reading this from the Tonbridge/Maidstone area and want to help this weekend let me know!JohnO said:Thought Sarah Wollaston acquitted herself well and with dignity in the interview with Andrew Neil, who was a tad too hectoring - she just waited patiently until he stopped.
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Bertie the man who gave Ireland 2 decades of penury.Stark_Dawning said:
Bertie Ahern begs to differ.MaxPB said:
Ireland is not in Schengen, it is in the CTA. If we left there wouldn't be any changes to this arrangement, anyone talking about border controls with Ireland is talking out of their arse.TOPPING said:
The thinking is that if there are border controls between Ireland and the UK, that could inflame nationalists.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Good article in the Graun
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/brexit-threat-northern-ireland-border-communities
The vision of border controls plays into the hands of those who have yet to realise the armed struggle is over,” wrote Orde. “Any step backwards is a really bad idea.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/04/bertie-ahern-uk-reimpose-irish-border-after-brexit-eu-northern-ireland0 -
The two Brit PMs who delivered peace to Norn Iron. Last time I checked they both had stellar ratings in Northern Ireland.Alanbrooke said:
You have no feel for how the people there see things.TOPPING said:
I don't have a GCSE in it, if that's what you mean.Alanbrooke said:
Pointless scaremongering.TOPPING said:
The thinking is that if there are border controls between Ireland and the UK, that could inflame nationalists.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Good article in the Graun
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/brexit-threat-northern-ireland-border-communities
The vision of border controls plays into the hands of those who have yet to realise the armed struggle is over,” wrote Orde. “Any step backwards is a really bad idea.”
you really havent a clue on NI.
(GPMG perhaps..)
Twathead english politicians using NI for their own purposes isn't going to motivate anyone.
All the Prods hate Blair and all the catholics are suspicious of a Tory, so a joint team of the least trsuted politicians out selling a turd in a box is just a really stupid idea.0 -
No, I had to give it a miss, very busy at the moment, gearing up for E3 as well which just adds to the workload. Are you going this year?rcs1000 said:
Snap.MaxPB said:
Ireland is not in Schengen, it is in the CTA. If we left there wouldn't be any changes to this arrangement, anyone talking about border controls with Ireland is talking out of their arse.TOPPING said:
The thinking is that if there are border controls between Ireland and the UK, that could inflame nationalists.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Good article in the Graun
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/brexit-threat-northern-ireland-border-communities
The vision of border controls plays into the hands of those who have yet to realise the armed struggle is over,” wrote Orde. “Any step backwards is a really bad idea.”
Were you at the Gove lunch yesterday?0 -
It's a nationwide primary this time so not entirely within the party's control, though I'm not sure what the qualifications are on who can vote in it.MaxPB said:
I find it hard to see why Les Républicains would commit electoral suicide and go for Sarkozy ahead of Juppe.Charles said:
Sarkozy head to head more relevant tho!rcs1000 said:
Juppe leads Le Pen 70:30 in the second round.Jobabob said:
The FN won't win in France.Indigo said:
And then he is going to try and govern with all those people he brutalised on his backbenches... good luck with that. It won't be about remain or leave by then, it will be personal.LadyBucket said:Leave are in for a complete battering over the next two weeks. The PM and No 10 are going to be absolutely brutal.
Personally I think the real hilarity is going to be Dodgy Dave tearing his party to pieces, making it so that one half the party can't talk to the other without spitting, so that he can stay in his beloved EU... and then FN win in France and the EU implodes. Failing that, he will lose his majority to the kippers in 2020, 5% of voters moving from the Tories to UKIP and they will win 30 seats, and that's the end of that.0 -
I must thank you and others for the very amusing and very lengthy spat over border issues from last week.Alanbrooke said:
You have no feel for how the people there see things.TOPPING said:
I don't have a GCSE in it, if that's what you mean.Alanbrooke said:
Pointless scaremongering.TOPPING said:
The thinking is that if there are border controls between Ireland and the UK, that could inflame nationalists.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Good article in the Graun
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/brexit-threat-northern-ireland-border-communities
The vision of border controls plays into the hands of those who have yet to realise the armed struggle is over,” wrote Orde. “Any step backwards is a really bad idea.”
you really havent a clue on NI.
(GPMG perhaps..)
Twathead english politicians using NI for their own purposes isn't going to motivate anyone.
All the Prods hate Blair and all the catholics are suspicious of a Tory, so a joint team of the least trsuted politicians out selling a turd in a box is just a really stupid idea.
It popped up elsewhere and I used your argument to smack it down. PB can be very helpful and entertaining at the same time
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Leave must have a variation of this ready to roll
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451b31c69e20147e2b767c1970b-300wi0 -
Precisely.rcs1000 said:
The Common Travel Area will be maintained, because:Casino_Royale said:
EIRE may wish to follow us out but, if not, it may be free movement is retained for the island of Ireland but with border controls for the mainland.TOPPING said:
The thinking is that if there are border controls between Ireland and the UK, that could inflame nationalists.GIN1138 said:
Vote REMAIN or the IRA will blow the sh*t out of you!SandyRentool said:So Blair and Major are now claiming that the IRA will kick-off again if we vote Leave.
Villiers thinks they are talking shite...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36486016
Nice.
Good article in the Graun
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/brexit-threat-northern-ireland-border-communities
The vision of border controls plays into the hands of those who have yet to realise the armed struggle is over,” wrote Orde. “Any step backwards is a really bad idea.”
A practical solution will be found, they always are.
(a) it would have pretty severe economic consequences on the border communities
and
(b) it would be extremely expensive to police
Even during the height of the Troubles, when hundreds of British people were being killed every year, the border was kept open. That will not change post-Brexit as Ireland will not join Schengen.
I'm old enough to remember when there were border checks, mostly to stop smuggling it took about 2 minutes to clear both sides.0 -
Sarko controls the institutional mechanisms. If he wants it (and he does) then it's his. I'd prefer Juppe myself , but then I also liked Balladur.MaxPB said:
I find it hard to see why Les Républicains would commit electoral suicide and go for Sarkozy ahead of Juppe.Charles said:
Sarkozy head to head more relevant tho!rcs1000 said:
Juppe leads Le Pen 70:30 in the second round.Jobabob said:
The FN won't win in France.Indigo said:
And then he is going to try and govern with all those people he brutalised on his backbenches... good luck with that. It won't be about remain or leave by then, it will be personal.LadyBucket said:Leave are in for a complete battering over the next two weeks. The PM and No 10 are going to be absolutely brutal.
Personally I think the real hilarity is going to be Dodgy Dave tearing his party to pieces, making it so that one half the party can't talk to the other without spitting, so that he can stay in his beloved EU... and then FN win in France and the EU implodes. Failing that, he will lose his majority to the kippers in 2020, 5% of voters moving from the Tories to UKIP and they will win 30 seats, and that's the end of that.0 -
Sarah Wollaston was one of the MPs who surprised me by backing Leave in the first place (not that I followed her views in detail, but she never struck me as the leaving type.) So not mega-surprised that she's switched. It would have been very easy for her just to keep her head down for the next two weeks though, and our macho-politics derides any uncertainty as a "screeching U-Turn" so good on her. I heard a Vote Leave rep on the radio this morning saying how it showed people were changing their minds both ways as they heard the debate - thought that was probably their best response.
No surprise she's been idolised and demonised this morning, a sign of quite how low the debate has sunk. Can it be, that even among those who've looked into it in detail, it's a balanced decision? It certainly is for me, as I've come to the conclusion that taking our frustrations with the EU out would only damage ourselves. Part of the problem is the EU is a monopoly - it doesn't have to work any better because there is no alternative. Perhaps if the vote is to Remain, the sceptics could put their energy into creating EU 2.0
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