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I take it Dave sailed through.0
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I'm not a fan of either Farage or Cameron. He's not Blair but to me he came across as a more credible and likable person than Farage.0
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How is the Labour ground game going?Paul_Bedfordshire said:This was s fantastic show for Cameron. Farage was trounced. Remain are dead cert now.
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He seemed rather worn down and phoning it in, I found it hard to bother listening to his answers = too much padding and familiar rhetoric.Danny565 said:Cameron nowhere near as good as in the audience section of the Sky debate, IMO.
The ITV lady should've kept a much tighter rein on his half of the show.0 -
I think the "don't go with Farage" line might have some resonance, but "little England" sounds far too sneery, I think.TheScreamingEagles said:It's clear what the focus groups like.
Don't choose the Nigel Farage little Englander option.0 -
Even better then if he had goofed...SeanT said:
No, Cameron would have known that. They'd be Tories.CornishBlue said:
Yup. Huge opportunity missed.tlg86 said:That guy should have asked Dave to name his MEPs.
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LOL, excellent point.VapidBilge said:
Well, if you think the Cameron belongs in Oxfordshire (Witney, Chipping Norton), then the MEP who finished top of the list was .......(drum roll) .........Nigel Farage!RobD said:
That would have been good. I suspect the number of people who actually know their MEP is extremely low.tlg86 said:That guy should have asked Dave to name his MEPs.
I think even Dopey Dave would have got that.0 -
I think she who must be obeyed was displeased with sharingnhim with usMaxPB said:
Why are you in exile? I enjoy your posts, even if I disagree with them most of the time, I think we could probably have a beer or two and have a laugh, why disappear?tyson said:Maybe you might have more fun playing with your pussies.
And, on that note, I am placing myself back into a self imposed exile.PlatoSaid said:ITV host isn't making the interventions with Cameron.
I'm bored here = it's a broadcast from him0 -
Uninspiring from both sides. I think Farage just edged it though.0
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I noticed that! Ridiculously unprofessional of ITV!Casino_Royale said:That bloke has had two questions each way!
I second Richard Tyndall's comments re: @Steven_Whaley . I enjoy the vigorous debates on here, but that isn't to everyone's taste. If you dish it out, you have to be prepared to take it is my attitude. I've been ridiculed on here more times than I care to remember, but I always come back for more debate, and the world would be a very boring place indeed if everyone thought in exactly the same way!0 -
Very slight movement on Betfair from start to end, Leave 3.6 -> 3.75.
But ... was there anything that the 10 O'clock news or morning papers will latch onto? Fallout from these events can take 24 hours to materialise.0 -
I don't agree. There were at least two that were criticising his renegotiation like a sales manager reprimanding an account rep after a poor client meeting. It was completely demeaning for him.BenedictWhite said:
Yes, though Dave's questioners were a tad more polite.Pulpstar said:This audience is very good indeed. Tough for both Nige and Dave.
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85%+ of people don't support UKIP.
So he wants people to think Leave = UKIP.
Whether that will work I don't know - but that's his thinking.0 -
Fantastic. I was telling my brother Piers yestedsy..oh b*****cksMortimer said:
How is the Labour ground game going?Paul_Bedfordshire said:This was s fantastic show for Cameron. Farage was trounced. Remain are dead cert now.
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We used to have great sport with No 10's forum when I was running a parallel operation.Casino_Royale said:
I know more about it than you ever will.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well you don't know what it is either.Casino_Royale said:Does Cameron even know what the Magna f-ing Carta is?
Maybe he thinks it's a small village in Somerset.
It is Magna Carta, not THE Magna Carta.
Magna Carta means The Great Charter.
If you posted the great charter in either its original or English translation they took it down.
We wrote scripts to keep tags on what they were taking down. Most was not objectionable...
On day something got posted which was contrary to the 1986 public order act and we removed it straight away but they left it up until I rang them and told them to take it down, I shit you not.0 -
This is all set up for Boris. If he delivers, Leave are home and dry.0
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Remain up 2%, Leave obviously down 2%
Betfair makes Dave the winner.0 -
I thought Wolf Hall rather good.Casino_Royale said:That was duller than Wolf Hall.
Missed the debate though as other half watching Love Island. I think that is another programme to Farage vs Cameron!0 -
I've noticed him using the don't be quitters line a bit more recently as well.Danny565 said:
I think the "don't go with Farage" line might have some resonance, but "little England" sounds far too sneery, I think.TheScreamingEagles said:It's clear what the focus groups like.
Don't choose the Nigel Farage little Englander option.0 -
Denning was smarter.AlastairMeeks said:Anyone interested in Magna Carta with a bit of time to spare should read this speech by the cleverest man in England:
https://www.supremecourt.uk/docs/speech-150309.pdf0 -
So all this money that's flooding out of the UK because of Brexit risk...
The stock market is up
Bond yields are down
House prices are up
What exactly was this money invested in before it was moved offshore? Fine wine and classic cars?0 -
I missed the surprise Cameron press conference - did anyone see it?0
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Is Dan Hannan the latest TRAITOR?0
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IOs is hard at work!Mortimer said:
How is the Labour ground game going?Paul_Bedfordshire said:This was s fantastic show for Cameron. Farage was trounced. Remain are dead cert now.
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My thoughts too - Farage seemed a bit flat and didn't seem to have that spark tonight, thought the answer to the pharma chap was weak and where he struggled most. Cameron looks like a PM nearly at the end of the road, exhausted from 6 and a bit years in office.not_on_fire said:Uninspiring from both sides. I think Farage just edged it though.
I have my own theories about that, namely that 788 790 Finchley Road is getting uncomfortably close to getting out for him, and let me tell you, he will have a lot more to lose than not being PM any more when that day arrives. Its a day that I'm currently working tirelessly away from here and work to bring forward as soon as I possibly can.0 -
Now In 1.34 / Out 3.85.
Leave out from 3.6 to 3.85 since 9pm.0 -
He's getting it a bit wrong though. He should bellow, "We are fighters and not quitters!"TheScreamingEagles said:
I've noticed him using the don't be quitters line a bit more recently as well.Danny565 said:
I think the "don't go with Farage" line might have some resonance, but "little England" sounds far too sneery, I think.TheScreamingEagles said:It's clear what the focus groups like.
Don't choose the Nigel Farage little Englander option.0 -
Missed the beginning of the debate. Thought Farage was a bit ratty when interrupted. Thought Cameron had it easier and performed better. But I doubt it really matters, although I would keep Gove and Hannan up front wherever possible.0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTABenedictWhite said:0 -
Ok Ok, If I can tell you who my MEPs are, can I get a discount?Scott_P said:@RobDotHutton:
"Can I get 20 Rothmans, please?"
"Who is your MEP?"
"I don't know. Can I just have the cigarettes?"
"WHO IS YOUR MEP?"0 -
It told you everything you need to know about how much the mainstream media understands about how markets work ......or NOT.oldpolitics said:So all this money that's flooding out of the UK because of Brexit risk...
The stock market is up
Bond yields are down
House prices are up
What exactly was this money invested in before it was moved offshore? Fine wine and classic cars?0 -
Less doom and gloom, which is a refreshing change.TheScreamingEagles said:Interesting
twitter.com/StrongerIn/status/7402833250011299840 -
Too busy to post on hereCharles said:
IOs is hard at work!Mortimer said:
How is the Labour ground game going?Paul_Bedfordshire said:This was s fantastic show for Cameron. Farage was trounced. Remain are dead cert now.
Edit: damn, logged into the wrong identity
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Leave 3.85 now. The market clearly does think Cameron won that on some level, if only by a head.TheScreamingEagles said:Remain up 2%, Leave obviously down 2%
Betfair makes Dave the winner.
To be honest I'm not entirely sure why.0 -
Obama won Florida by 1% and won nationally by 3% in 2012 which suggests Hillary has about a a 1% lead nationally if Trump has a 1% lead in FloridaAlistair said:
In a head to head match up, Trump leads Clinton 45/44. What’s interesting about that is Clinton actually leads 45/34 with independents. But Trump has the slight overall edge because his 83/9 advantage with Republicans is a good deal better than the 77/14 one Clinton has with Democrats.RodCrosby said:
Disappeared? There was a hiatus in the polls.Jobabob said:
Trump is toast walking. I said it long ago. Even when RodCrosby (disappeared) insisted otherwise.TheScreamingEagles said:And so it begins, it'll become a stampede
https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/740269903945469952
Oh look, here's one today...
6/2-6/5
2016 Florida President
Trump 41% Clinton 40%
PPP
Hmm, I wonder which side has a clear presumptive nominee?0 -
Wasn't there a Philip K Dick where where the detective investigates the murder and finds out that he was the murderer? He also did one were somebody searching for a replicant finds out he is one ...and no, it isn't Blade RunnerPaul_Bedfordshire said:
I am OGH and RCS and TSE as wellviewcode said:I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
Hahahwhababaha0 -
Am watching the debate on ITV+1 but from the comments does not seem a gamechanger!0
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Ah. Bugger.Jobabob said:
He isn't.BenedictWhite said:
I was just checking that you're not me...viewcode said:I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
I am. 0 -
The news is much unkinder to Farage than when seen in its entirety. Farage on the news came across as a racist.0
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Golly, Peston looks awful - he's aged hugely, looks like he needs a shave and a haircut.0
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It's obviously the line to take...
@George_Osborne: Great Britain not Little England. That's who we are. That's what's at stake. PM at his best #StrongerIn0 -
They've been looking for a new non-negative non-fear based positive EU line for a long time.RobD said:
Less doom and gloom, which is a refreshing change.TheScreamingEagles said:Interesting
twitter.com/StrongerIn/status/740283325001129984
Well, they haven't been able to find that for the EU. So I take it this is it.0 -
Richly deserved. I can't remember who on here described it as "the worst deal since Esau", but that's about he size of it.williamglenn said:
I don't agree. There were at least two that were criticising his renegotiation like a sales manager reprimanding an account rep after a poor client meeting. It was completely demeaning for him.BenedictWhite said:
Yes, though Dave's questioners were a tad more polite.Pulpstar said:This audience is very good indeed. Tough for both Nige and Dave.
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Far too busy to post!Charles said:
IOs is hard at work!Mortimer said:
How is the Labour ground game going?Paul_Bedfordshire said:This was s fantastic show for Cameron. Farage was trounced. Remain are dead cert now.
Edit: damn, logged into the wrong identity0 -
40 years of trying to reform the EU with minimal success. At what point do they concede that reform is impossible whilst outside of the eurozone.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Anything Dave does anywhere Betfair likes.Wanderer said:
Leave 3.85 now. The market clearly does think Cameron won that on some level, if only by a head.TheScreamingEagles said:Remain up 2%, Leave obviously down 2%
Betfair makes Dave the winner.
To be honest I'm not entirely sure why.0 -
oldpolitics said:
Richly deserved. I can't remember who on here described it as "the worst deal since Esau", but that's about he size of it.williamglenn said:
I don't agree. There were at least two that were criticising his renegotiation like a sales manager reprimanding an account rep after a poor client meeting. It was completely demeaning for him.BenedictWhite said:
Yes, though Dave's questioners were a tad more polite.Pulpstar said:This audience is very good indeed. Tough for both Nige and Dave.
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My stocks have picked up a bit, but most of them (HSBC, Rio Tinto etc) make most of their earnings outside the UK. With earnings in USD their value goes up when Sterling slides. To a degree it is a hedge against depreciation.oldpolitics said:So all this money that's flooding out of the UK because of Brexit risk...
The stock market is up
Bond yields are down
House prices are up
What exactly was this money invested in before it was moved offshore? Fine wine and classic cars?0 -
The EU is kinda crap, you must admit? Maybe a necessary evil.Casino_Royale said:
They've been looking for a new non-negative non-fear based positive EU line for a long time.RobD said:
Less doom and gloom, which is a refreshing change.TheScreamingEagles said:Interesting
twitter.com/StrongerIn/status/740283325001129984
Well, they haven't been able to find that for the EU. So I take it this is it.0 -
Well, he's on the same side as Mandy so we know where that line came from.williamglenn said:
He's getting it a bit wrong though. He should bellow, "We are fighters and not quitters!"TheScreamingEagles said:
I've noticed him using the don't be quitters line a bit more recently as well.Danny565 said:
I think the "don't go with Farage" line might have some resonance, but "little England" sounds far too sneery, I think.TheScreamingEagles said:It's clear what the focus groups like.
Don't choose the Nigel Farage little Englander option.0 -
I think Dave didn't drop a bollock, that's how these things work, you win them by not fecking up.Wanderer said:
Leave 3.85 now. The market clearly does think Cameron won that on some level, if only by a head.TheScreamingEagles said:Remain up 2%, Leave obviously down 2%
Betfair makes Dave the winner.
To be honest I'm not entirely sure why.
I also think ORB disavowing themselves of the Telegraph's reporting of their polls, and Mike and John Curtice highlighting it, has been influential today as well.0 -
LOL!Paul_Bedfordshire said:This was s fantastic show for Cameron. Farage was trounced. Remain are dead cert now.
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He's probably half way up Cornwall now.RobD said:
Too busy to post on hereCharles said:
IOs is hard at work!Mortimer said:
How is the Labour ground game going?Paul_Bedfordshire said:This was s fantastic show for Cameron. Farage was trounced. Remain are dead cert now.
Edit: damn, logged into the wrong identity
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Yes, there's definitely huge millage in making the jingoistic case for Remain - Good old Britain in the thick of it, saving those Europeans from themselves again. Let's have a bit of romance and soaring passion. (Contrast with stale old Leave, the height of whose ambition is turning us into the world's largest ferry port.)TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I'm still laughing at Mandy on Sky this morning - he held up a copy of the Mirror and quoted an article on Page TEN as a killer argument.ThreeQuidder said:
Well, he's on the same side as Mandy so we know where that line came from.williamglenn said:
He's getting it a bit wrong though. He should bellow, "We are fighters and not quitters!"TheScreamingEagles said:
I've noticed him using the don't be quitters line a bit more recently as well.Danny565 said:
I think the "don't go with Farage" line might have some resonance, but "little England" sounds far too sneery, I think.TheScreamingEagles said:It's clear what the focus groups like.
Don't choose the Nigel Farage little Englander option.
It was hilarious.0 -
30% of 20-24s not registered, vs 5% for 65+.
Can Remain win on those figures?0 -
National polls say 4% leadHYUFD said:
Obama won Florida by 1% and won nationally by 3% in 2012 which suggests Hillary has about a a 1% lead nationally if Trump has a 1% lead in FloridaAlistair said:
In a head to head match up, Trump leads Clinton 45/44. What’s interesting about that is Clinton actually leads 45/34 with independents. But Trump has the slight overall edge because his 83/9 advantage with Republicans is a good deal better than the 77/14 one Clinton has with Democrats.RodCrosby said:
Disappeared? There was a hiatus in the polls.Jobabob said:
Trump is toast walking. I said it long ago. Even when RodCrosby (disappeared) insisted otherwise.TheScreamingEagles said:And so it begins, it'll become a stampede
https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/740269903945469952
Oh look, here's one today...
6/2-6/5
2016 Florida President
Trump 41% Clinton 40%
PPP
Hmm, I wonder which side has a clear presumptive nominee?
https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/7402290286327930880 -
Well, if you were not enthusiastic about either side already then that will not have changed certainly.not_on_fire said:Uninspiring from both sides. I think Farage just edged it though.
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Leave should immediately appoint Mike Ashley as its spokesman.0
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I love Gisela Stuart. I can see why the Tories never get near Edgbaston.
I'd vote for her.0 -
People are assuming there will be an emergency QE influx (to avoid liquidity issues) if there is a Brexit vote.foxinsoxuk said:
My stocks have picked up a bit, but most of them (HSBC, Rio Tinto etc) make most of their earnings outside the UK. With earnings in USD their value goes up when Sterling slides. To a degree it is a hedge against depreciation.oldpolitics said:So all this money that's flooding out of the UK because of Brexit risk...
The stock market is up
Bond yields are down
House prices are up
What exactly was this money invested in before it was moved offshore? Fine wine and classic cars?
QE = Interest rates down --> FX rate down
QE = asset price inflation --> stock market up0 -
@NCPoliticsEU: Betting markets have been moving against #brexit since lunchtime (mostly before #ITVEURef), now down to 26% #EUref https://t.co/a5nCm2mvJ00
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And?williamglenn said:
I don't agree. There were at least two that were criticising his renegotiation like a sales manager reprimanding an account rep after a poor client meeting. It was completely demeaning for him.BenedictWhite said:
Yes, though Dave's questioners were a tad more polite.Pulpstar said:This audience is very good indeed. Tough for both Nige and Dave.
He's our rep, and done a bad bad job. What was he expecting?0 -
It was a great line about Merkel or Hollande saying we'll shut this car plant.Casino_Royale said:I love Gisela Stuart. I can see why the Tories never get near Edgbaston.
I'd vote for her.0 -
Indeed, I tend to only post during work hours for that reason, on weekends I'm delivering a lot of leaflets which keeps me away from here as well.SeanT said:
I think tyson said he was overly invested, emotionally, in the vote, and starting to get obsessive and cranky, to the detriment of normal life.MaxPB said:
Why are you in exile? I enjoy your posts, even if I disagree with them most of the time, I think we could probably have a beer or two and have a laugh, why disappear?tyson said:Maybe you might have more fun playing with your pussies.
And, on that note, I am placing myself back into a self imposed exile.PlatoSaid said:ITV host isn't making the interventions with Cameron.
I'm bored here = it's a broadcast from him
I'm sure plenty on here can empathise. I can.
Ah, well that also makes sense.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I think she who must be obeyed was displeased with sharingnhim with usMaxPB said:
Why are you in exile? I enjoy your posts, even if I disagree with them most of the time, I think we could probably have a beer or two and have a laugh, why disappear?tyson said:Maybe you might have more fun playing with your pussies.
And, on that note, I am placing myself back into a self imposed exile.PlatoSaid said:ITV host isn't making the interventions with Cameron.
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Nah. We want to be pirates and corsairs on the open seas. What is more romantic than that!!!Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, there's definitely huge millage in making the jingoistic case for Remain - Good old Britain in the thick of it, saving those Europeans from themselves again. Let's have a bit of romance and soaring passion. (Contrast with stale old Leave, the height of whose ambition is turning us into the world's largest ferry port.)
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She tells the marginal Tories that she is one of them really.Casino_Royale said:I love Gisela Stuart. I can see why the Tories never get near Edgbaston.
I'd vote for her.0 -
Britain was at her best when she ruled the waves.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nah. We want to be pirates and corsairs on the open seas. What is more romantic than that!!!Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, there's definitely huge millage in making the jingoistic case for Remain - Good old Britain in the thick of it, saving those Europeans from themselves again. Let's have a bit of romance and soaring passion. (Contrast with stale old Leave, the height of whose ambition is turning us into the world's largest ferry port.)
:-)
We can all agree on that.0 -
Hmmmm...
@Jeremy_Hunt: Net EU contributions could only run NHS for 19 days but for the other 346 days NHS needs a strong economy not a Brexit recession#ITVEURef0 -
She must have a lot of "Tories For Gisela" voters I think.Casino_Royale said:I love Gisela Stuart. I can see why the Tories never get near Edgbaston.
I'd vote for her.
Am off to watch Farage/Cameron on Catch Up.
Will post my (completely unbiased) opinion later.
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No. It is an undemocratic protection racket that is threatening punishment and consequences for members that Leave. That's what East Germany did to its citizens that wanted to leave.RobD said:
The EU is kinda crap, you must admit? Maybe a necessary evil.Casino_Royale said:
They've been looking for a new non-negative non-fear based positive EU line for a long time.RobD said:
Less doom and gloom, which is a refreshing change.TheScreamingEagles said:Interesting
twitter.com/StrongerIn/status/740283325001129984
Well, they haven't been able to find that for the EU. So I take it this is it.
A EU worth staying in would take reform seriously, engage seriously with those who were thinking of leaving and both welcome new members or wave a sad but friendly goodbye to those who wanted to go.
It has to do the former rather than the latter precisely because it is undemocratic.0 -
Paul_Bedfordshire said:
This was s fantastic show for Cameron. Farage was trounced. Remain are dead cert now.
Edit: damn, logged into the wrong identity
Ha!
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I love ITV's totally representative 'floating voters'. 60% white, 40% black (judging by accent not UK born), no Asians and no pensioners. They come down on Mr Cameron's side. What a surprise!0
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RCP average has it 2% lead todayAlistair said:
National polls say 4% leadHYUFD said:
Obama won Florida by 1% and won nationally by 3% in 2012 which suggests Hillary has about a a 1% lead nationally if Trump has a 1% lead in FloridaAlistair said:
In a head to head match up, Trump leads Clinton 45/44. What’s interesting about that is Clinton actually leads 45/34 with independents. But Trump has the slight overall edge because his 83/9 advantage with Republicans is a good deal better than the 77/14 one Clinton has with Democrats.RodCrosby said:
Disappeared? There was a hiatus in the polls.Jobabob said:
Trump is toast walking. I said it long ago. Even when RodCrosby (disappeared) insisted otherwise.TheScreamingEagles said:And so it begins, it'll become a stampede
https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/740269903945469952
Oh look, here's one today...
6/2-6/5
2016 Florida President
Trump 41% Clinton 40%
PPP
Hmm, I wonder which side has a clear presumptive nominee?
https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/740229028632793088
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/0 -
I'm for Remain but I was unimpressed with Cameron this evening. Looked like he was just going through the motions.BenedictWhite said:
Well, if you were not enthusiastic about either side already then that will not have changed certainly.not_on_fire said:Uninspiring from both sides. I think Farage just edged it though.
Farage was more convincing but his shoutiness was off-putting.0 -
One of the unequivocally brilliant and great things the coalition government did was setup Government Digital Services.
Their approach to developing websites for government departments is superb.
Look at how awesome this is
https://www.gov.uk/performance/register-to-vote
Just going to https://www.gov.uk/performance/ allows you to browse hundreds of really interesting metrics pages.0 -
Key question, are we still talking about immigration and borders? The answer is yes and highlighting Farage's latest outburst may just add to that.SeanT said:
It wasn't. Peston is now on ITV saying that is good for LEAVE, as they have the momentum.HYUFD said:Am watching the debate on ITV+1 but from the comments does not seem a gamechanger!
Status quo ante, I think.
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Does that line not risk, well, you know, pissing English voters off?Scott_P said:It's obviously the line to take...
@George_Osborne: Great Britain not Little England. That's who we are. That's what's at stake. PM at his best #StrongerIn0 -
Yup. It's the new attack line.Scott_P said:It's obviously the line to take...
@George_Osborne: Great Britain not Little England. That's who we are. That's what's at stake. PM at his best #StrongerIn
Osborne and Cameron incapable of doing anything other than parroting their tried and tested attack lines.0 -
Just to confirm; I don't need to bother watching the "debate", right?0
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Apparently the focus groups like itRazedabode said:Does that line not risk, well, you know, pissing English voters off?
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Yes. But let REMAIN keep digging with George 2% Osborne.Razedabode said:
Does that line not risk, well, you know, pissing English voters off?Scott_P said:It's obviously the line to take...
@George_Osborne: Great Britain not Little England. That's who we are. That's what's at stake. PM at his best #StrongerIn
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I'm just checking out how many e-mails the cabinet office sent on the 9th June 20150
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You never need to watch the debate.rcs1000 said:Just to confirm; I don't need to bother watching the "debate", right?
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Ah yes, that one. As ever brilliant!chestnut said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTABenedictWhite said:
The problem here is that not enough of our current crop have watched that.0 -
I agree that Farage was a bit shouty - on the other hand, lots of questioners didn't bother waiting for an answer and I didn't think the presenter handled it very well. People were a lot more deferential towards the PM.not_on_fire said:
I'm for Remain but I was unimpressed with Cameron this evening. Looked like he was just going through the motions.BenedictWhite said:
Well, if you were not enthusiastic about either side already then that will not have changed certainly.not_on_fire said:Uninspiring from both sides. I think Farage just edged it though.
Farage was more convincing but his shoutiness was off-putting.0 -
And here is a £350m answer I have not seen before. Seems to feed the LITTLE England theme too
@euromove: This is what the EU debate is about. https://t.co/xEVv9EfYk30 -
For once Jeremy Hunt is talking sense...Scott_P said:Hmmmm...
@Jeremy_Hunt: Net EU contributions could only run NHS for 19 days but for the other 346 days NHS needs a strong economy not a Brexit recession#ITVEURef0 -
These Posh Boys insulting England (population 52m) is an... Interesting strategy when they're trying to win a referendum?Casino_Royale said:
Yup. It's the new attack line.Scott_P said:It's obviously the line to take...
@George_Osborne: Great Britain not Little England. That's who we are. That's what's at stake. PM at his best #StrongerIn
Osborne and Cameron incapable of doing anything other than parroting their tried and tested attack lines.0 -
That is Hilary's attack line from a few days ago.TheScreamingEagles said:
"Imagine thin-skinned Trump not with his Twitter account but with the full force of the US Military at his disposal"0 -
http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2016/06/register-or-regretchestnut said:
What's the source for these figures please, RoyalBlue?RoyalBlue said:30% of 20-24s not registered, vs 5% for 65+.
Can Remain win on those figures?
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