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On Sunday a Trump staffer sent out the weeks talking points to surrogates and one of the points was "Say nothing about Trump University. If forced say 'The matter will be settled in the courts not in the media'.Tim_B said:
Trump U is a complete non-issue here.Alistair said:Just in case people are wondering what is happening in America - Trump continues to get the worst possible options on his Trump University scam court case, keep it in the news cycle and get a swathe of Republicans who have endorsed him to openly call his statements racist.
Just in case you are wondering why his price is drifting.
At least it would be if Trump would stop talking about it. Criticising the judge's rulings etc is fair game, but attacking the judge personally is really really dumb. Even Newt said it's the worst mistake Trump has made.
Trump needs to shut up about it pronto and move on to immigration, the economy etc which are winning issues - calling the judge's heritage into question is not.
On Monday in a conference call with surrogates Trump said that was stupid advice, the staffer was not that bright and surrogates should relentlessly attack on the issue and call anyone who questions Trump the real racists.
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Again, this lady showing the dangers of "Leave" becoming a referendum on the Conservative government's record (especially on the NHS).0
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So is the ClintonetteJobabob said:
It's not too soon to say it. He cannot win. He is see widely, across the US, as being unsuitable to be president. Even among many lifelong Republicans.Tim_B said:
It's way too soon to say that - but this doesn't help him any, that's for sure.Jobabob said:
Trump is screwed whatever he does. He is finished.Tim_B said:
Trump U is a complete non-issue here.Alistair said:Just in case people are wondering what is happening in America - Trump continues to get the worst possible options on his Trump University scam court case, keep it in the news cycle and get a swathe of Republicans who have endorsed him to openly call his statements racist.
Just in case you are wondering why his price is drifting.
At least it would be if Trump would stop talking about it. Criticising the judge's rulings etc is fair game, but attacking the judge personally is really really dumb. Even Newt said it's the worst mistake Trump has made.
Trump needs to shut up about it pronto and move on to immigration, the economy etc which are winning issues - calling the judge's heritage into question is not.0 -
Cameron beasted on immigration then the NHS.0
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Do your tie up properly you numpty. Very low class of audience here.0
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He is, and being nailed by someone of South Asian decent who is harder to accuse of racism, followed by a black lady on the same theme but directed to the NHS.williamglenn said:Cameron is floundering on immigration.
He is being nailed.
Also expect Hilary Benn's "immigration is a price worth paying" to be hammered and hammered again.0 -
Farage was tetchy and Dave generally safe and dull. Boring show.Stark_Dawning said:
I'm not watching it myself, but using the PB Leave anti-barometer I'll assume Farage was dismal and Cameron is playing a blinder.rottenborough said:Sorry Leavers but Farage has made a total clusterf of this one. "Calm down"; "Alternative medicine is good". Blindingly bad IMHO.
20 years he's waited for this? What happened to the full throttle attack on the elite and focus on anti-politics?0 -
He was Ok but it's the usual story. If you don't like him he's a smarmy xenophobe but for those who do he was OK. The adjudicator is pathetic.rottenborough said:Sorry Leavers but Farage has made a total clusterf of this one. "Calm down"; "Alternative medicine is good". Blindingly bad IMHO.
20 years he's waited for this? What happened to the full throttle attack on the elite and focus on anti-politics?0 -
Too much wibble from Cameron so far - lots of quite unconvincing flannel.0
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Sky was much better than this.0
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Look at the pain in David Cameron's eyes.0
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Cameron is a dead man waffling.0
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Repeating restrictions on benefits for a second time.0
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The issue of the referendum is migration. You cannot control migration inside the EU. Cameron is getting shish kebabbed over this because there is no answer other than "they can come in"0
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I'd ask Dave, if people have been sponging off us tax payers, why didn't he put a stop to it when he became PM in 2010?0
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Lots of armchair psychiatrists on PB tonight...
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@rosschawkins: As with Sky show Cameron getting grief for his decisions not connected to EU - downside to PM as remain front man0
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A classy post. I didn't realise he had left.Richard_Tyndall said:OT.
For the record I am extremely sorry that Steven Whaley has decided to leave PB.
He and I are diametrically opposed in our views of the way Europe should develop but, like a few other Europhile contributors, he has never hidden his views or tried to pretend that he was anything other than a federalist. He always argued his case politely and never resorted to insult nor tried to pretend that his view for Britain was anything other than what he strongly believed in. I think he was a great contributor to the site and hope he will one day change his mind.
For those criticising his departure it is worth remembering that not everyone enjoys the sort of forthright arguments that many of us are happy to indulge in. It takes all sorts and Steven simply wasn't the sort of person to accept the sorts of attacks that many of us are used to and accept without comment.
I am probably not going to change my bad behaviour and don't expect anyone else to either but I am still very sorry to see him go.
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It's good that at least both politicians appear to be getting difficult questions. I don't think the format works though - a politician in a debate with an ordinary voter is going to be doing so with one hand tied behind his back due to the need not to appear like they are arguing. A debate between Farage and Cameron would be far more watchable.
Having said that, I think Cameron is doing rather better than Farage, partially assisted by more polite questioners.0 -
I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
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The bottom line here is people want reasonable controls on immigration without leaving the single market, but David was not able to secure that.0
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I missed the beginning of the Farage/Cameron "debate". How was it decided who went first with the audience questions, I presume Cameron was able to listen to the first half.0
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Cameron bored of and unconvinced by his own material. Half-hearted.0
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I think it's finally dawning on him that he doesn't have the almighty powers of persuading the country that he previously thought he had.SeanT said:
He looks exhausted - and a little frightened. Exposed.OUT said:Don't you think he looks tired?
The Tory hubris and overrating of their Election victory last year (a victory in which, although they obviously outperformed expectations, was still at the end of the day only a scrape over the line against Ed Miliband) really did him no favours. It meant he came into this referendum campaign far too complacent and unprepared.0 -
A whole set of proposals?
There was almost nothing in that Queens Speech.0 -
Clinton will walk it. As you know.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
So is the ClintonetteJobabob said:
It's not too soon to say it. He cannot win. He is see widely, across the US, as being unsuitable to be president. Even among many lifelong Republicans.Tim_B said:
It's way too soon to say that - but this doesn't help him any, that's for sure.Jobabob said:
Trump is screwed whatever he does. He is finished.Tim_B said:
Trump U is a complete non-issue here.Alistair said:Just in case people are wondering what is happening in America - Trump continues to get the worst possible options on his Trump University scam court case, keep it in the news cycle and get a swathe of Republicans who have endorsed him to openly call his statements racist.
Just in case you are wondering why his price is drifting.
At least it would be if Trump would stop talking about it. Criticising the judge's rulings etc is fair game, but attacking the judge personally is really really dumb. Even Newt said it's the worst mistake Trump has made.
Trump needs to shut up about it pronto and move on to immigration, the economy etc which are winning issues - calling the judge's heritage into question is not.0 -
The immigration debate wouldn't be like this if Blair and Brown hadn't used immigration to massage the GDP top line. If we'd had the same policy as France and Germany after the A10 joined this wouldn't be happening.
As a pro-European it's sad to listen to this.0 -
Does Cameron even know what the Magna f-ing Carta is?
Maybe he thinks it's a small village in Somerset.0 -
Disappeared? There was a hiatus in the polls.Jobabob said:
Trump is toast walking. I said it long ago. Even when RodCrosby (disappeared) insisted otherwise.TheScreamingEagles said:And so it begins, it'll become a stampede
https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/740269903945469952
Oh look, here's one today...
6/2-6/5
2016 Florida President
Trump 41% Clinton 40%
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Reading the commentary without watching the TV, it's surprisingly hard to be certain whether one's reading about Mr Cameron or Mr Trump.0
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"You don't restrict your country" says the man ceding sovereignty to 27 EU nations whilst ignoring 170 + others.
Little European.0 -
I am OGH and RCS and TSE as wellviewcode said:I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
Hahahwhababaha0 -
This audience is very good indeed. Tough for both Nige and Dave.0
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Well you don't know what it is either.Casino_Royale said:Does Cameron even know what the Magna f-ing Carta is?
Maybe he thinks it's a small village in Somerset.
It is Magna Carta, not THE Magna Carta.
Magna Carta means The Great Charter.0 -
You reckon? Surely it would have just delayed it as we're now seeing with Romania and Bulgaria.williamglenn said:The immigration debate wouldn't be like this if Blair and Brown hadn't used immigration to massage the GDP top line. If we'd had the same policy as France and Germany after the A10 joined this wouldn't be happening.
As a pro-European it's sad to listen to this.0 -
I was just checking that you're not me...viewcode said:I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
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@journodave: if this audience are as informed as journalists keep tweeting then why do they keep saying uninformed things0
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I know more about it than you ever will.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well you don't know what it is either.Casino_Royale said:Does Cameron even know what the Magna f-ing Carta is?
Maybe he thinks it's a small village in Somerset.
It is Magna Carta, not THE Magna Carta.
Magna Carta means The Great Charter.0 -
Magna Carta?
Did that poor girl die in vain?0 -
Let the next 16 days pass by. So many lies told, so many lies yet to be told. How a nation can make a decision based on such deceit is unfathomable.
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Harriet Jones, Prime Minister...OUT said:Don't you think he looks tired?
(Oh fuck, I didn't even need to look it up. I am an adult with a mortgage, really...
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That's the world most tedious shop owner. Asking your customers who their MEPs are is a recipe for a business going mammary glands up0
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Unmasked at last after all these years.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I am OGH and RCS and TSE as wellviewcode said:I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
Hahahwhababaha
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Cameron has obviously been briefed that he needs to acknowledge the EU isn't perfect, but worth fighting for0
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That guy should have asked Dave to name his MEPs.0
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To be fair some civil servant told them 10-15k per annum would turn up. A slight miscalculation I think we can all agree.williamglenn said:The immigration debate wouldn't be like this if Blair and Brown hadn't used immigration to massage the GDP top line. If we'd had the same policy as France and Germany after the A10 joined this wouldn't be happening.
As a pro-European it's sad to listen to this.0 -
And they did at the expense of the per capita income, which is why people are negative about immigration, it lowers wealth and living standards for the average person.williamglenn said:The immigration debate wouldn't be like this if Blair and Brown hadn't used immigration to massage the GDP top line. If we'd had the same policy as France and Germany after the A10 joined this wouldn't be happening.
As a pro-European it's sad to listen to this.0 -
Private polling use the same companies as published ones. That doesn't make senseMortimer said:0 -
Cameron getting testy.0
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This debate is a 0-0 draw. Neither Farage or Cameron has delivered for their side0
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WibbleJobabob said:
Unmasked at last after all these years.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I am OGH and RCS and TSE as wellviewcode said:I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
Hahahwhababaha0 -
The pod is germinating...it's only a matter of time...BenedictWhite said:
I was just checking that you're not me...viewcode said:I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
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Yup. Huge opportunity missed.tlg86 said:That guy should have asked Dave to name his MEPs.
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Trump has a one point lead, in a single poll, in a state Hillary doesn't even need to win.RodCrosby said:
Disappeared? There was a hiatus in the polls.Jobabob said:
Trump is toast walking. I said it long ago. Even when RodCrosby (disappeared) insisted otherwise.TheScreamingEagles said:And so it begins, it'll become a stampede
https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/740269903945469952
Oh look, here's one today...
6/2-6/5
2016 Florida President
Trump 41% Clinton 40%
PPP
Trump is toast.
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Are people still listening to him?0
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Clearly you don't, or you wouldn't have called it The Magna Carta.Casino_Royale said:
I know more about it than you ever will.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well you don't know what it is either.Casino_Royale said:Does Cameron even know what the Magna f-ing Carta is?
Maybe he thinks it's a small village in Somerset.
It is Magna Carta, not THE Magna Carta.
Magna Carta means The Great Charter.0 -
I think your right when you say the magic has gone. He answers competently, looks prime ministerial at times but does anyone actually believe him anymore?SeanT said:Cameron slightly improving here, helped by some easily waffled-away questions.
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Cameron looked weak with that promise, I expect many are thinking "we've heard it all before".0
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I like it so much, I call it The Great Magna Carta.TheScreamingEagles said:
Clearly you don't, or you wouldn't have called it The Magna Carta.Casino_Royale said:
I know more about it than you ever will.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well you don't know what it is either.Casino_Royale said:Does Cameron even know what the Magna f-ing Carta is?
Maybe he thinks it's a small village in Somerset.
It is Magna Carta, not THE Magna Carta.
Magna Carta means The Great Charter. 0 -
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Bottom line is that the political classes just don't feel the pain.williamglenn said:The immigration debate wouldn't be like this if Blair and Brown hadn't used immigration to massage the GDP top line. If we'd had the same policy as France and Germany after the A10 joined this wouldn't be happening.
As a pro-European it's sad to listen to this.
It is a price worth paying for the son of Viscount Stansgate, who doesn't actually have to pay it though the good Viscount was clearly an outer.0 -
It depends where he voted. Remember, it's PR, but I think they get split out around the region.SeanT said:
No, Cameron would have known that. They'd be Tories.CornishBlue said:
Yup. Huge opportunity missed.tlg86 said:That guy should have asked Dave to name his MEPs.
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Bit like when you criticised someone's grammar yesterday as a put down but left out an "an" and made yourself look like a total numpty?TheScreamingEagles said:
Clearly you don't, or you wouldn't have called it The Magna Carta.Casino_Royale said:
I know more about it than you ever will.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well you don't know what it is either.Casino_Royale said:Does Cameron even know what the Magna f-ing Carta is?
Maybe he thinks it's a small village in Somerset.
It is Magna Carta, not THE Magna Carta.
Magna Carta means The Great Charter.0 -
@RobDotHutton:
"Can I get 20 Rothmans, please?"
"Who is your MEP?"
"I don't know. Can I just have the cigarettes?"
"WHO IS YOUR MEP?"0 -
Everyone knows who my MP isnot_on_fire said:0 -
Talking of polls what happened to that 22,000 poll that was supposed to have been published at the end of May ?0
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"Do you go with Farage?"
Again - for 3rd time - he says "Leave = Farage"0 -
That bloke has had two questions each way!0
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He didn't. He said the Magna f-ing Carta, not The Magna Carta. Even dropping the swear word, there was no capitalised T which makes a difference or you wouldn't have written it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Clearly you don't, or you wouldn't have called it The Magna Carta.Casino_Royale said:
I know more about it than you ever will.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well you don't know what it is either.Casino_Royale said:Does Cameron even know what the Magna f-ing Carta is?
Maybe he thinks it's a small village in Somerset.
It is Magna Carta, not THE Magna Carta.
Magna Carta means The Great Charter.0 -
Well that was a rubbish programme.0
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Cameron nowhere near as good as in the audience section of the Sky debate, IMO.0
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He isn't.BenedictWhite said:
I was just checking that you're not me...viewcode said:I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
I am.
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You're grumpy, it's only a referendum.Casino_Royale said:
Bit like when you criticised someone's grammar yesterday as a put down put left out an "an" and made yourself look like a total numpty?TheScreamingEagles said:
Clearly you don't, or you wouldn't have called it The Magna Carta.Casino_Royale said:
I know more about it than you ever will.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well you don't know what it is either.Casino_Royale said:Does Cameron even know what the Magna f-ing Carta is?
Maybe he thinks it's a small village in Somerset.
It is Magna Carta, not THE Magna Carta.
Magna Carta means The Great Charter.0 -
Did he just close describing Brexit as the "Nigel Farrage Little England option" - that is going to backfire very very badly....0
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That was duller than Wolf Hall.0
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Now a 4th time:
"Farage = Little England option"
The point he knows is that Leave is more popular than Farage. So he equates Leave to Farage.0 -
Wasn't it just - very dull.numbertwelve said:Well that was a rubbish programme.
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In a head to head match up, Trump leads Clinton 45/44. What’s interesting about that is Clinton actually leads 45/34 with independents. But Trump has the slight overall edge because his 83/9 advantage with Republicans is a good deal better than the 77/14 one Clinton has with Democrats.RodCrosby said:
Disappeared? There was a hiatus in the polls.Jobabob said:
Trump is toast walking. I said it long ago. Even when RodCrosby (disappeared) insisted otherwise.TheScreamingEagles said:And so it begins, it'll become a stampede
https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/740269903945469952
Oh look, here's one today...
6/2-6/5
2016 Florida President
Trump 41% Clinton 40%
PPP
Hmm, I wonder which side has a clear presumptive nominee?0 -
It's clear what the focus groups like.
Don't choose the Nigel Farage little Englander option.0 -
Betfair now moves.
In 1.35 (from 1.38 at 9pm)
Out 3.75 (from 3.6 at 9pm)0 -
Yeah, it must have been focus grouped because it just sounds bad. He should have just made the positive case without going on the negatives in his closing remark.SeanT said:Really big mistake to repeat the LITTLE ENGLAND line
The people he needs to win over are the white working classes in England
Stupid. A basic error early Cameron would not have made.0 -
Why are you in exile? I enjoy your posts, even if I disagree with them most of the time, I think we could probably have a beer or two and have a laugh, why disappear?tyson said:Maybe you might have more fun playing with your pussies.
And, on that note, I am placing myself back into a self imposed exile.PlatoSaid said:ITV host isn't making the interventions with Cameron.
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Anyone interested in Magna Carta with a bit of time to spare should read this speech by the cleverest man in England:
https://www.supremecourt.uk/docs/speech-150309.pdf0 -
Yes, though Dave's questioners were a tad more polite.Pulpstar said:This audience is very good indeed. Tough for both Nige and Dave.
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This was s fantastic show for Cameron. Farage was trounced. Remain are dead cert now.
Edit: damn, logged into the wrong identity0 -
I believe it will now be published after June 24th.MarkSenior said:Talking of polls what happened to that 22,000 poll that was supposed to have been published at the end of May ?
Which is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard.0 -
Well, if you think the Cameron belongs in Oxfordshire (Witney, Chipping Norton), then the MEP who finished top of the list was .......(drum roll) .........Nigel Farage!RobD said:
That would have been good. I suspect the number of people who actually know their MEP is extremely low.tlg86 said:That guy should have asked Dave to name his MEPs.
I think even Dopey Dave would have got that.0
