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FPT!Stark_Dawning said:
You beat me to it! It's obvious that the euro-sceptic Tories have a plan, and it involves moving the Kippers on to the anti-immigration fringe. It's straight out of the New Labour playbook, and it is Gove, of course, who refers to Blair as 'the Master'.viewcode said:
Or he has always been in favour of full freedom of movement and is using "controlled migration" as a cloak to disguise what he really thinks and gain the votes of antiimmigrationists. See also BoJo (and come to think of it, Gove?)Wanderer said:
Hmm. If Hannan has said that I don't think he's just being nice to Remainers. He must either think Leave will win comfortably (and he wants to sound statesmanlike in the meantime) or he thinks it will be very close either way and wants to put pressure on Remain to make an equivalent commitment.Scott_P said:This might upset a few people...
@JoeWatts_: @DanHannanMEP says if it's a very tight win for #Leave there will have to be a middle way found between #Remain and full #Brexit0 -
And before anyone complains, I know Europe doesn't equal the EU, but take it up with the band Europe, they should have named themselves The European Union, not just plain Europe.0
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https://www.barnabasfund.org/news/EU-agreement-threatens-freedom-of-religion-and-freedom-of-the-press-by-censoring-critical-internet-posts?audience=GB
EU wants to shut down freedom of speech and religion from the Internet. Another reason to leave0 -
How about "The Single Market"?TheScreamingEagles said:And before anyone complains, I know Europe doesn't equal the EU, but take it up with the band Europe, they should have named themselves The European Union, not just plain Europe.
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If Remain had their head screwed on, we'd be seeing a lot less of Cameron and a lot more of Clegg and his wife in these final 16 days.0
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Hannan won't be speaking off his own bat. I wonder if Boris, Gove, Cameron and Osborne are already in talks - once Leave has won we'll all agree on EU-membership Lite so Dave can save face and economic turmoil won't blight Boris's first term. They're cunning old buggers these Tories!0
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There is literally no way for Dave to save face.Stark_Dawning said:Hannan won't be speaking off his own bat. I wonder if Boris, Gove, Cameron and Osborne are already in talks - once Leave has won we'll all agree on EU-membership Lite so Dave can save face and economic turmoil won't blight Boris's first term. They're cunning old buggers these Tories!
He has lost whether we Remain or Leave. He ceased to be useful when his personal poll ratings plumbed new depths.0 -
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Ah, that's right, it will probably cost more to implement than it will save.Indigo said:No it won't, all he got them to agree to was to let the UK prorate the benefit according to the cost of living in the country the kid is living in. Bureaucratic nightmare or what, it would have to be calculated for each country where someone is sending benefit to a child, and constantly updated, not only that in some of the countries we would have to pay more rather than less.
I don't get what the margin of victory has to do with it. At the end of the day we are voting on whether or not to remain in the EU. What leave actually looks like is up to our elected politicians.Scott_P said:This might upset a few people...
@JoeWatts_: @DanHannanMEP says if it's a very tight win for #Leave there will have to be a middle way found between #Remain and full #Brexit
If the voters don't like what they do between now and the next election then they can kick them out.0 -
Interestingly, a facebook acquaintance was yesterday encouraging people to come up with Brexit-themed songs. The one which immediately sprang to mind was 'The Final Countdown', which I didn't submit because, on reflection, it didn't appear particularly relevant, and then I couldn't work out why I'd thought of it. Only now you point out who wrote the song do I realise what my brain was doing.RobD said:
How about "The Single Market"?TheScreamingEagles said:And before anyone complains, I know Europe doesn't equal the EU, but take it up with the band Europe, they should have named themselves The European Union, not just plain Europe.
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Nick who?Mortimer said:If Remain had their head screwed on, we'd be seeing a lot less of Cameron and a lot more of Clegg and his wife in these final 16 days.
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Good grief.
Unilever CEO talks about the tariffs on ice-cream. This is DESPERATE.
Someone tell him that there are no tarrifs on goods across Europe between Iceland and Yugoslavia.....0 -
tim would be happy.Mortimer said:If Remain had their head screwed on, we'd be seeing a lot less of Cameron and a lot more of Clegg and his wife in these final 16 days.
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Yugoslavia?! That hasn't existed in a decade.Mortimer said:Good grief.
Unilever CEO talks about the tariffs on ice-cream. This is DESPERATE.
Someone tell him that there are no tarrifs on goods across Europe between Iceland and Yugoslavia.....0 -
Typical Leaver, always living in the past.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Yugoslavia?! That hasn't existed in a decade.Mortimer said:Good grief.
Unilever CEO talks about the tariffs on ice-cream. This is DESPERATE.
Someone tell him that there are no tarrifs on goods across Europe between Iceland and Yugoslavia.....0 -
Yes yes, but you know where I mean don't you...TheWhiteRabbit said:
Yugoslavia?! That hasn't existed in a decade.Mortimer said:Good grief.
Unilever CEO talks about the tariffs on ice-cream. This is DESPERATE.
Someone tell him that there are no tarrifs on goods across Europe between Iceland and Yugoslavia.....0 -
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'Ever Closer Union' would be a great name for a band.RobD said:
How about "The Single Market"?TheScreamingEagles said:And before anyone complains, I know Europe doesn't equal the EU, but take it up with the band Europe, they should have named themselves The European Union, not just plain Europe.
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Sounds more like a twee sitcom.TheScreamingEagles said:
'Ever Closer Union' would be a great name for a band.RobD said:
How about "The Single Market"?TheScreamingEagles said:And before anyone complains, I know Europe doesn't equal the EU, but take it up with the band Europe, they should have named themselves The European Union, not just plain Europe.
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@Independent: Billions of pounds aer being taken out of the British economy as investors fear Brexit https://t.co/wf9RHFw3B10
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williamglenn said:
Sounds more like a twee sitcom.TheScreamingEagles said:
'Ever Closer Union' would be a great name for a band.RobD said:
How about "The Single Market"?TheScreamingEagles said:And before anyone complains, I know Europe doesn't equal the EU, but take it up with the band Europe, they should have named themselves The European Union, not just plain Europe.
"Ever Decreasing Liberty"
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One for the Leavers - "Referendum Lock"MarkHopkins said:williamglenn said:
Sounds more like a twee sitcom.TheScreamingEagles said:
'Ever Closer Union' would be a great name for a band.RobD said:
How about "The Single Market"?TheScreamingEagles said:And before anyone complains, I know Europe doesn't equal the EU, but take it up with the band Europe, they should have named themselves The European Union, not just plain Europe.
"Ever Decreasing Liberty"0 -
Microsoft facebook and twitter are not internet providers they are site provifers just like OGH is with this site.kjohnw said:https://www.barnabasfund.org/news/EU-agreement-threatens-freedom-of-religion-and-freedom-of-the-press-by-censoring-critical-internet-posts?audience=GB
EU wants to shut down freedom of speech and religion from the Internet. Another reason to leave
Removing things that the authorities dont like within 24 hours is as futile as trying to stop people posting about superinjunctions on those sites.
It will just go viral and be reposted and retweeted and published on sites like Guidos with serveds outside the EU who dont give a 4X what EU censors think0 -
Not worth the paper its written on.Scott_P said:@Independent: Billions of pounds aer being taken out of the British economy as investors fear Brexit https://t.co/wf9RHFw3B1
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Well, Dave's reputation wasn't really my point. More interesting is that tonight we've got the most vocable Tory eurosceptics on the planet explicitly talking about fudge and compromise with Remain should Leave win. There's some skulduggery afoot!Mortimer said:
There is literally no way for Dave to save face.Stark_Dawning said:Hannan won't be speaking off his own bat. I wonder if Boris, Gove, Cameron and Osborne are already in talks - once Leave has won we'll all agree on EU-membership Lite so Dave can save face and economic turmoil won't blight Boris's first term. They're cunning old buggers these Tories!
He has lost whether we Remain or Leave. He ceased to be useful when his personal poll ratings plumbed new depths.0 -
Trying to get my head around Hannan's bizarre intervention.
Clearly he is the thinking man's eurosceptic so one would be foolish to give some credence to his views.
Message seems to be Vote Leave get Remain. Could be effective.0 -
Weirdly, Cameron does have an escape route, and Gove's given it to him!Mortimer said:
There is literally no way for Dave to save face.Stark_Dawning said:Hannan won't be speaking off his own bat. I wonder if Boris, Gove, Cameron and Osborne are already in talks - once Leave has won we'll all agree on EU-membership Lite so Dave can save face and economic turmoil won't blight Boris's first term. They're cunning old buggers these Tories!
He has lost whether we Remain or Leave. He ceased to be useful when his personal poll ratings plumbed new depths.
IF LEAVE wins
AND Cameron executes Article 50 almost immediately
AND Cameron goes to the commons and gets a HOC vote that Cameron's government will lead the negotiations to exit EU and take UK into EEA
AND makes that vote a confidence motion
AND he wins...
...then he's won! A brand new mandate, a legitimate position ("..It's the next best thing..."), he royally f***s Gove, and gets a thirteenth regeneration. OK, not that last bit... 0 -
Off topic - so we have Arsenal chasing Vardy and Man City chasing Stones. Hope they can keep their focus on the job in hand.0
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@AdamBienkov: Undecided referendum voters tend to be pro-Conservative and anti-Farage.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2016/06/how-important-are-tv-debates-deciding-eu-referendum0 -
Would hate to be Graham Brady's postman in that unlikely event...viewcode said:
Weirdly, Cameron does have an escape route, and Gove's given it to him!Mortimer said:
There is literally no way for Dave to save face.Stark_Dawning said:Hannan won't be speaking off his own bat. I wonder if Boris, Gove, Cameron and Osborne are already in talks - once Leave has won we'll all agree on EU-membership Lite so Dave can save face and economic turmoil won't blight Boris's first term. They're cunning old buggers these Tories!
He has lost whether we Remain or Leave. He ceased to be useful when his personal poll ratings plumbed new depths.
IF LEAVE wins
AND Cameron executes Article 50 almost immediately
AND Cameron goes to the commons and gets a HOC vote that Cameron's government will lead the negotiations to exit EU and take UK into EEA
AND makes that vote a confidence motion
AND he wins...
...then he's won! A brand new mandate, a legitimate position ("..It's the next best thing..."), he royally f***s Gove, and gets a thirteenth regeneration. OK, not that last bit...0 -
Anyhoo, gotta go. Laters, alligators0
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Re Hannan, surely the first question is whether he will repudiate this statement that is attributed to him. I would have expected him to do so by now though. But maybe he's stuck in a tunnel.0
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That is a great point.Stark_Dawning said:
Well, Dave's reputation wasn't really my point. More interesting is that tonight we've got the most vocable Tory eurosceptics on the planet explicitly talking about fudge and compromise with Remain should Leave win. There's some skulduggery afoot!Mortimer said:
There is literally no way for Dave to save face.Stark_Dawning said:Hannan won't be speaking off his own bat. I wonder if Boris, Gove, Cameron and Osborne are already in talks - once Leave has won we'll all agree on EU-membership Lite so Dave can save face and economic turmoil won't blight Boris's first term. They're cunning old buggers these Tories!
He has lost whether we Remain or Leave. He ceased to be useful when his personal poll ratings plumbed new depths.
Hmm.
What is going on?
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Well, IIRC, @NickPalmer was saying on here recently that in countries where referendums are used a lot, a very close result does bring concessions to the losing side, which seems fairly sensible. Maybe Mr Hannan is thinking along those lines.Jobabob said:Trying to get my head around Hannan's bizarre intervention.
Clearly he is the thinking man's eurosceptic so one would be foolish to give some credence to his views.
Message seems to be Vote Leave get Remain. Could be effective.
Obviously, the main point (Remain/Leave) can't be conceded, but if the country is really evenly split, it is silly to say (as the EU undoubtedly will if its Remain) that it means a 100% endorsement of the winning side.
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Go Dave.TheScreamingEagles said:@AdamBienkov: Undecided referendum voters tend to be pro-Conservative and anti-Farage.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2016/06/how-important-are-tv-debates-deciding-eu-referendum
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My guess is that they've identified uncertainty as a massive Leave weak-spot, so are now going to push 'nothing much'll change folks', 'back to the negotiating table', 'it'll all come out in the wash'. In two years' time we'll all be here discussing the merit's of PM Boris's 'deal'.Jobabob said:Trying to get my head around Hannan's bizarre intervention.
Clearly he is the thinking man's eurosceptic so one would be foolish to give some credence to his views.
Message seems to be Vote Leave get Remain. Could be effective.0 -
Yes, that was a country stitched together by elites. That went well didn't it?TheWhiteRabbit said:
Yugoslavia?! That hasn't existed in a decade.Mortimer said:Good grief.
Unilever CEO talks about the tariffs on ice-cream. This is DESPERATE.
Someone tell him that there are no tarrifs on goods across Europe between Iceland and Yugoslavia.....0 -
Hasn't shown up in the £$ rate or the £/Euro rate. I've been watching both for years. Just the usual noise.Scott_P said:@Independent: Billions of pounds aer being taken out of the British economy as investors fear Brexit https://t.co/wf9RHFw3B1
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Gove talked in his Sky interview about the economic plan being unveiled this week.
It stands to reason that a transitional plan would be part of that, in my view.
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Which makes you wonder if Astors intervention was part of it, which makes you wonder about the conspiracy theory that Dave is a secret leaver...Stark_Dawning said:
My guess is that they've identified uncertainty as a massive Leave weak-spot, so are now going to push 'nothing much'll change folks', 'back to the negotiating table', 'it'll all come out in the wash'. In two years' time we'll all be here discussing the merit's of PM Boris's 'deal'.Jobabob said:Trying to get my head around Hannan's bizarre intervention.
Clearly he is the thinking man's eurosceptic so one would be foolish to give some credence to his views.
Message seems to be Vote Leave get Remain. Could be effective.0 -
Well, this country was stitched together by elites.BenedictWhite said:
Yes, that was a country stitched together by elites. That went well didn't it?TheWhiteRabbit said:
Yugoslavia?! That hasn't existed in a decade.Mortimer said:Good grief.
Unilever CEO talks about the tariffs on ice-cream. This is DESPERATE.
Someone tell him that there are no tarrifs on goods across Europe between Iceland and Yugoslavia.....
Can you think of a country that wasn't?0 -
If it's 50/50 and mine is the casting vote, some fudge would be required.Stark_Dawning said:
Well, Dave's reputation wasn't really my point. More interesting is that tonight we've got the most vocable Tory eurosceptics on the planet explicitly talking about fudge and compromise with Remain should Leave win. There's some skulduggery afoot!Mortimer said:
There is literally no way for Dave to save face.Stark_Dawning said:Hannan won't be speaking off his own bat. I wonder if Boris, Gove, Cameron and Osborne are already in talks - once Leave has won we'll all agree on EU-membership Lite so Dave can save face and economic turmoil won't blight Boris's first term. They're cunning old buggers these Tories!
He has lost whether we Remain or Leave. He ceased to be useful when his personal poll ratings plumbed new depths.
If it's 55/45 less so and so on and so forth.
What we are seeing though, is the whites of their eyes.
Fun, no?0 -
FPT @ viewcode/wanderer "Eh? Both sides have the same capabilities. They would both be the British Government after the vote.
If what he means is that a 51/49 Leave win should mean EEA then he can reasonably argue that a 51/49 Remain win should too and press Cameron to sign up to that.
To understand Hannan's response you must understand what he wants. I know many here admire Hannan (I don't), and if memory serves I think some have met him (Casino Royale?) so in deference to their feelings I won't bang on. If you want to find out why I think Hannan said what he said, see below."
Hannan wants EFTA. He doesn't have a problem with free movement of workers and supports taking higher numbers of refugees and immigrants in general.
However, he concedes that immigration would have broader support if we had sovereign control over numbers and terms.
I know, because he told me.0 -
And all planning (bar Kosova) to join back up within the EU. Its not just us doing the hokey-cokey!BenedictWhite said:
Yes, that was a country stitched together by elites. That went well didn't it?TheWhiteRabbit said:
Yugoslavia?! That hasn't existed in a decade.Mortimer said:Good grief.
Unilever CEO talks about the tariffs on ice-cream. This is DESPERATE.
Someone tell him that there are no tarrifs on goods across Europe between Iceland and Yugoslavia.....0 -
We have a bad case of split personality posting going on here...Casino_Royale said:if memory serves I think some have met him (Casino Royale?) so in deference to their feelings I won't bang on. If you want to find out why I think Hannan said what he said, see below.
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Bad quoting! FPT :-)williamglenn said:
We have a bad case of split personality posting going on here...Casino_Royale said:if memory serves I think some have met him (Casino Royale?) so in deference to their feelings I won't bang on. If you want to find out why I think Hannan said what he said, see below.
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Good question. It at least had some common ground and shared history though.Wanderer said:
Well, this country was stitched together by elites.BenedictWhite said:
Yes, that was a country stitched together by elites. That went well didn't it?TheWhiteRabbit said:
Yugoslavia?! That hasn't existed in a decade.Mortimer said:Good grief.
Unilever CEO talks about the tariffs on ice-cream. This is DESPERATE.
Someone tell him that there are no tarrifs on goods across Europe between Iceland and Yugoslavia.....
Can you think of a country that wasn't?0 -
Why did you name yourself in your own post when speculating about posters who've possibly met Dan Hannan? Bit odd. Hope there's no multiple-identity thing going on here and you used the wrong login!Casino_Royale said:Eh? Both sides have the same capabilities. They would both be the British Government after the vote.
If what he means is that a 51/49 Leave win should mean EEA then he can reasonably argue that a 51/49 Remain win should too and press Cameron to sign up to that.
To understand Hannan's response you must understand what he wants. I know many here admire Hannan (I don't), and if memory serves I think some have met him (Casino Royale?) so in deference to their feelings I won't bang on. If you want to find out why I think Hannan said what he said, see below.
Hannan wants EFTA. He doesn't have a problem with free movement of workers and supports taking higher numbers of refugees and immigrants in general.
However, he concedes that immigration would have broader support if we had sovereign control over numbers and terms.
I know, because he told me.0 -
Thought you were leaving. Glad you haven't!Wanderer said:
Well, this country was stitched together by elites.BenedictWhite said:
Yes, that was a country stitched together by elites. That went well didn't it?TheWhiteRabbit said:
Yugoslavia?! That hasn't existed in a decade.Mortimer said:Good grief.
Unilever CEO talks about the tariffs on ice-cream. This is DESPERATE.
Someone tell him that there are no tarrifs on goods across Europe between Iceland and Yugoslavia.....
Can you think of a country that wasn't?
Welcome back!0 -
I am very nervous about Farage.0
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I hope voters in California vote judge Aaron Persky OUT of office today.
http://fortune.com/2016/06/06/stanford-swimmer-assault/0 -
Completely off topic:
Anyone fancy a PB fantasy football league for the Euros?
If so, what is the best site?0 -
Yes but swapping being dominated by Serbs (led by 1 Croat) for being dominated by the Germans...foxinsoxuk said:
And all planning (bar Kosova) to join back up within the EU. Its not just us doing the hokey-cokey!BenedictWhite said:
Yes, that was a country stitched together by elites. That went well didn't it?TheWhiteRabbit said:
Yugoslavia?! That hasn't existed in a decade.Mortimer said:Good grief.
Unilever CEO talks about the tariffs on ice-cream. This is DESPERATE.
Someone tell him that there are no tarrifs on goods across Europe between Iceland and Yugoslavia.....0 -
Dan Hannan is an EEA guy. He supports movement of people.0
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I haven't met Hannan but my view of him is that, although he is "merely" an MEP, he is a major figure on the Leave side. So I am applying the Metternich "What did he mean by that?" to him.Casino_Royale said:FPT @ viewcode/wanderer "Eh? Both sides have the same capabilities. They would both be the British Government after the vote.
If what he means is that a 51/49 Leave win should mean EEA then he can reasonably argue that a 51/49 Remain win should too and press Cameron to sign up to that.
To understand Hannan's response you must understand what he wants. I know many here admire Hannan (I don't), and if memory serves I think some have met him (Casino Royale?) so in deference to their feelings I won't bang on. If you want to find out why I think Hannan said what he said, see below."
Hannan wants EFTA. He doesn't have a problem with free movement of workers and supports taking higher numbers of refugees and immigrants in general.
However, he concedes that immigration would have broader support if we had sovereign control over numbers and terms.
I know, because he told me.
But I realise it's possible that he's just saying what's in his head.0 -
Trump is toast walking. I said it long ago. Even when RodCrosby (disappeared) insisted otherwise.TheScreamingEagles said:And so it begins, it'll become a stampede
https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/740269903945469952
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Could it be the following:Casino_Royale said:FPT @ viewcode/wanderer "Eh? Both sides have the same capabilities. They would both be the British Government after the vote.
If what he means is that a 51/49 Leave win should mean EEA then he can reasonably argue that a 51/49 Remain win should too and press Cameron to sign up to that.
To understand Hannan's response you must understand what he wants.
- His assumption was that Remain would win
- He wanted to make the result as close as possible and use it to argue that the status quo wouldn't wash and push for EEA
- It's started to look like Leave could actually win outright which would throw a spanner in the works of this plan
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That was really quite a good first answer.0
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No one craves another multiple screen names controversy.williamglenn said:
We have a bad case of split personality posting going on here...Casino_Royale said:if memory serves I think some have met him (Casino Royale?) so in deference to their feelings I won't bang on. If you want to find out why I think Hannan said what he said, see below.
The Last Boy Scout would be turning in his tent.
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In view of how western countries like UK are revolting against theiir elites in the ballot box at the moment Im not sure that this will have any more effect than Lord Heseltine saying he is voting remain.Jobabob said:
Trump is toast walking. I said it long ago. Even when RodCrosby (disappeared) insisted otherwise.TheScreamingEagles said:And so it begins, it'll become a stampede
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I thought it was no responses from the audience?0
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This questioner has had his shredded wheat.0
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Thank you.PeterC said:
Thought you were leaving. Glad you haven't!Wanderer said:
Well, this country was stitched together by elites.BenedictWhite said:
Yes, that was a country stitched together by elites. That went well didn't it?TheWhiteRabbit said:
Yugoslavia?! That hasn't existed in a decade.Mortimer said:Good grief.
Unilever CEO talks about the tariffs on ice-cream. This is DESPERATE.
Someone tell him that there are no tarrifs on goods across Europe between Iceland and Yugoslavia.....
Can you think of a country that wasn't?
Welcome back!
I said I was probably going to leave and I probably am. I waste too much time here really.0 -
How much respect does the public have for pharmaceuticals, I wonder? More or less than bankers?0
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It was.Mortimer said:That was really quite a good first answer.
Trouble is, will anyone listen to his answers?
And I think quite a few questioners in the audience just want to attack him.0 -
Nigel needs to keep the good humour - the first answer was good, the second questioner rattled him I think.0
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Was it ever determined if Tim and compouter were the same person?Jobabob said:
No one craves another multiple screen names controversy.williamglenn said:
We have a bad case of split personality posting going on here...Casino_Royale said:if memory serves I think some have met him (Casino Royale?) so in deference to their feelings I won't bang on. If you want to find out why I think Hannan said what he said, see below.
The Last Boy Scout would be turning in his tent.0 -
Just in case people are wondering what is happening in America - Trump continues to get the worst possible options on his Trump University scam court case, keep it in the news cycle and get a swathe of Republicans who have endorsed him to openly call his statements racist.
Just in case you are wondering why his price is drifting.
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Very good sir.0
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Good response on Juncker. Got a hit in there.0
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My reading of the latest YouGov polling is different to that.TheScreamingEagles said:@AdamBienkov: Undecided referendum voters tend to be pro-Conservative and anti-Farage.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2016/06/how-important-are-tv-debates-deciding-eu-referendum
In response to the question "Thinking about the current debate over Britain’s membership of the European Union and the referendum, how much do you trust the statements and claims made by the following people?", the "Don't Knows" broke as follows:
- Cameron: Trust 15 Do Not Trust 60
- Farage: Trust 14, Do Not Trust 56
If we're splitting hairs, they are very marginally less likely to trust Cameron than Farage. That doesn't suggest to me that Cameron is going to be any more persuasive.
The more telling statistic is this: only 36% of undecideds are certain to vote. So in practice most won't (unless you believe that overall turnout will be well above 67%, the % of the overall YouGov sample who declared themselves certain to vote). I think that shifts in opinion amongst those already declared for one camp or the other are more important. (i.e. people shifting from Leave or Remain to undecided).0 -
The danger is that Farage does too well. No one likes a smart arse.0
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I believe one of the big bangs Remain will deploy in the next 15 days, will be the NHS staff, and the medical industry will be coming out for Remain, very heavily.tlg86 said:How much respect does the public have for pharmaceuticals, I wonder? More or less than bankers?
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He didn't. It was Viewcode who mentioned him. And one thing you can be sure of is he isn't Casino given he is on the other side of the argument. I think you are having nesting issues.Stark_Dawning said:
Why did you name yourself in your own post when speculating about posters who've possibly met Dan Hannan? Bit odd. Hope there's no multiple-identity thing going on here and you used the wrong login!Casino_Royale said:Eh? Both sides have the same capabilities. They would both be the British Government after the vote.
If what he means is that a 51/49 Leave win should mean EEA then he can reasonably argue that a 51/49 Remain win should too and press Cameron to sign up to that.
To understand Hannan's response you must understand what he wants. I know many here admire Hannan (I don't), and if memory serves I think some have met him (Casino Royale?) so in deference to their feelings I won't bang on. If you want to find out why I think Hannan said what he said, see below.
Hannan wants EFTA. He doesn't have a problem with free movement of workers and supports taking higher numbers of refugees and immigrants in general.
However, he concedes that immigration would have broader support if we had sovereign control over numbers and terms.
I know, because he told me.0 -
Cripes, I've got 50 quid on trump I intended to trade out after the convention bounce but I might take my break even point now an be done with it.TheScreamingEagles said:And so it begins, it'll become a stampede
https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/740269903945469952-1 -
Farage has caught the dreadful "you-know-what-itis"
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Oh dear... Farage got the tone all wrong there. "We're British! We're not going to be bullied by Juncker."0
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This is a much better informed audience than any QT audience I've ever seen. Kudos to ITV0
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Posho in the audience wanting to keep wages down.0
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"We're not going to be bullied by the unelected" got the best response so far.0
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The audience making a plea for cheap labour.0
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I've met @CasinoRoyale. And a thoroughly decent chap he is too.0
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Oooh, telling her to calm down is not a good look.0
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Farage getting too tetchy.0
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Calm down dear...0
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Betfair rock solid - not moving a muscle.
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What a dangerous game. I admire Hannan, but Leave have set their stall out: a cut in immigration to the tens of thousands.SeanT said:It's pretty clear Hannan is pointing to EEA or EFTA.
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Good level headed criticism of Arch Bish.0
