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edited June 2016 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Independence Day is going to be mentioned a lot in the run up June 23rd

This month has some great anniversaries if you’re British, Waterloo, The Queen’s official birthday, and of course tomorrow, the finest and most important military operation in human history, Operation Overlord*.

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  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,564
    Glorious First!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,564
    Did you write this thread just to put an Independence Day trailer in the header, TSE? Tut, tut! :p
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,653
    Have Remainers worked out that, if they want to win, they need to stop being rude to Leavers, engage with their concerns, and make a positive and patriotic case for Britain's future in the EU yet?
  • Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited June 2016
    BenedictWhite said:

    rottenborough said:

    Catching up with BBC's Marr - Major was brilliant. Quiet, cold anger.

    Yes. I liked Major a lot.

    But then I think about what a disaster he said it would be if we left the ERM.

    Turns out that he was wrong. Very very wrong.

    So I am now on the other side.
    That was what did it for me too. All that misery and despair. 15% mortgage rates, reposessions and bankruptcies and unemp,oyment back over three millio. Far,far worse for the man on the proverbial omnibus than the 2008 crash. And for NOTHING.

    And then the idiot privatised the railways in the worst way possible to meet EU open access rules.

    Publicise Major as much as you like. I can't think of a better way of getting over 40s to get of their backsides and vote leave
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,653
    PS. Even I chuckled at TSE's asterisk footnote. Very funny!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,564
    Casino_Royale said:

    PS. Even I chuckled at TSE's asterisk footnote. Very funny!

    He missed the most dreadful prospect - no Eurovision!!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,785
    A Soviet European Union, if the Russians had reached Calais?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,785
    BTW The Russians reached Paris in 1814!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,364
    Casino_Royale said:

    Have Remainers worked out that, if they want to win, they need to stop being rude to Leavers, engage with their concerns, and make a positive and patriotic case for Britain's future in the EU yet?

    Remain will never win the patriotic argument, if they win it will be on fear of the consequences, particularly on the economy. See Scotland
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,891
    Dr Johnson's quote 'Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel' is one of the most misused quotes in the language. What it means is that even after every other virtue has been abandoned, the scoundrel still has patriotic sentiment. What people who use it mean is that everyone that appeals to people's patriotism is a scoundrel. If that were the meaning, the quote would be 'Patriotism is the first recourse of the scoundrel'.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,522
    edited June 2016
    RobD said:

    Did you write this thread just to put an Independence Day trailer in the header, TSE? Tut, tut! :p

    This was more an attempt to bring some levity back to PB.

    Some PBers, Leavers and Remainers, are becoming a bit grumpy.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,653
    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    BenedictWhite said:

    rottenborough said:

    Catching up with BBC's Marr - Major was brilliant. Quiet, cold anger.

    Yes. I liked Major a lot.

    But then I think about what a disaster he said it would be if we left the ERM.

    Turns out that he was wrong. Very very wrong.

    So I am now on the other side.
    That was what did it for me too. All that misery and despsir. 15% mortgage rates, reposessions and bankruptcies and unemp,oyment back over three millio. Far,far worse for the man on the proverbial omnibus than the 2008 crash. And for NOTHING
    Most of us on the Leave side have heard it all before.

    And the very worst prophecies of doom we're given, now, are milder than the 1992 recession, yet alone the 2008 crash.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/734797347486609408
  • Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    A Soviet European Union, if the Russians had reached Calais?

    You mean a EUSSR?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,174
    edited June 2016
    Accidentally sat on the remote control and it turned onto BBC2...why is Shouty McShouty Face shouting while lying on a gurney?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,653
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    Did you write this thread just to put an Independence Day trailer in the header, TSE? Tut, tut! :p

    This was more an attempt to bring some levity back to PB.

    Some PBers, Leavers and Remainers, are becoming a bit grumpy.
    I think we can all agree with that.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,564
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    Did you write this thread just to put an Independence Day trailer in the header, TSE? Tut, tut! :p

    This was more an attempt to bring some levity back to PB.

    Some PBers, Leavers and Remainers, are becoming a bit grumpy.
    You and I both know what subject would bring gaiety to PB......
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,891
    edited June 2016
    Casino_Royale said:

    Have Remainers worked out that, if they want to win, they need to stop being rude to Leavers, engage with their concerns, and make a positive and patriotic case for Britain's future in the EU yet?

    I won't agree with that until I see a letter signed by at LEAST 20 experts to back it up.
  • Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,522
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Accidentally set on the remote control and it turned onto BBC2...why is Shouty McShouty Face shouting while lying on a gurney?

    Switch over to BBC Parliament, is much more fun.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,978
    FPT, I would have wanted to kill Norman Scott, had I been Jeremy Thorpe.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,564
    Casino_Royale said:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    BenedictWhite said:

    rottenborough said:

    Catching up with BBC's Marr - Major was brilliant. Quiet, cold anger.

    Yes. I liked Major a lot.

    But then I think about what a disaster he said it would be if we left the ERM.

    Turns out that he was wrong. Very very wrong.

    So I am now on the other side.
    That was what did it for me too. All that misery and despsir. 15% mortgage rates, reposessions and bankruptcies and unemp,oyment back over three millio. Far,far worse for the man on the proverbial omnibus than the 2008 crash. And for NOTHING
    Most of us on the Leave side have heard it all before.

    And the very worst prophecies of doom we're given, now, are milder than the 1992 recession, yet alone the 2008 crash.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/734797347486609408
    WW3 having less of an impact than I would have thought!
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Oh look, Top Gear has started.

    ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz
  • Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    Can anyone else think of an occasion when a large developed country collectively stuck two fingers up at its entire political social and commercial elite.

    I suppose the 1945 Labour landslide - sort of
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,174
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Accidentally set on the remote control and it turned onto BBC2...why is Shouty McShouty Face shouting while lying on a gurney?

    Switch over to BBC Parliament, is much more fun.
    I turned it over within 1 minute, as McShouty face shouted through the stig doing a fast lap in a sick coloured Mclaren.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,785
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Accidentally set on the remote control and it turned onto BBC2...why is Shouty McShouty Face shouting while lying on a gurney?

    Switch over to BBC Parliament, is much more fun.
    Great British Railway Journeys on "Yesterday" (Freeview 19)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,037
    edited June 2016
    Ahem. I pointed out ON THIS BOARD WITHIN 48 HOURS OF THE DATE BEING ANNOUNCED that the ref date was close to "ID4:2" release date.

    I was hoping it would be counteracted by the release of "X-Men: Apocalypse" (where the bad guy explicitly wants to tear down all existing strictures without a plan in place to replace them).

    ...or conversely "Captain America: Civil War", where both sides have a point....

    ...but it seems even drawing analogies to comic book movies cannot save us now... :(
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,744
    edited June 2016
    FPT. Alan Benett's tribute to Peter Cook

    "Peter (Cook) never had any regrets in his life. I never heard him voice any regrets. He didn't regret the fact that he lost his early facility, he didn't regret the fact that he lost his looks, which he did quite spectacularly, he didn't regret the fact that Dudley had gone on to fame and fortune in Hollywood. The only regret he regularly voiced was that, at the house we all shared in Fairfield, Connecticut in 1963, he'd saved David Frost from drowning."
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    A Soviet European Union, if the Russians had reached Calais?

    You mean a EUSSR?
    POTD.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,564
    SeanT said:



    We are a distinct and insular people . We don't like being bossed around, least of all by Europeans. This truth is reasserting itself, and will prevail at some point, soon.

    Except when they are invited to do so, for instance the Glorious Revolution :D
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,653
    viewcode said:

    Ahem. I pointed out ON THIS BOARD WITHIN 48 HOURS OF THE DATE BEING ANNOUNCED that the ref date was close to "ID4:2" release date.

    I was hoping it would be counteracted by the release of "X-Men: Apocalypse" (where the bad guy explicitly wants to tear down all existing strictures without a plan in place to replace them).

    We Brexiters do it for teh evilz.
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

    He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,522
    BenedictWhite said:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

    He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
    It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

    Just saying.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,174
    edited June 2016
    I know Chris Evans has ruined Top Gear, but this seems a bit of an extreme reaction...

    Emergency services have been dealing with an incident involving burning vans on the outskirts of Glasgow.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36456381

  • Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    viewcode said:

    Ahem. I pointed out ON THIS BOARD WITHIN 48 HOURS OF THE DATE BEING ANNOUNCED that the ref date was close to "ID4:2" release date.

    I was hoping it would be counteracted by the release of "X-Men: Apocalypse" (where the bad guy explicitly wants to tear down all existing strictures without a plan in place to replace them).

    Will they be putting up lots of Billboards with 'Independence Day .June 23rd lol'

    Films not being made by Murdochs lot ia.s it lol
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,785
    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    A Soviet European Union, if the Russians had reached Calais?

    You mean a EUSSR?
    Never! :lol:
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,163
    I'm as mawkishly patriotic as the next man (I can cry on demand just by thinking of a British sporting win) but I honestly find the jingoism Leave are employing - Dad's Army, 'Who will speak for England now?' - utterly toe curling. I just hope no foreigners are watching, as it would give them the perfect reason to laugh and sneer. Britain is miles better than that, but the inadequates are determined to bring it down to their level.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,785
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BenedictWhite said:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

    He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
    It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

    Just saying.
    Naught but REMAIN scaremongering!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,037
    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Films not being made by Murdochs lot ia.s it lol

    Yes it is (20th Century Fox).
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BenedictWhite said:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

    He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
    It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

    Just saying.
    I know, that is why I am voting patriotically for leave. Just saying. (And I have read the reports)
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Can anyone else think of an occasion when a large developed country collectively stuck two fingers up at its entire political social and commercial elite.

    I suppose the 1945 Labour landslide - sort of

    Donald Trump
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,653
    BenedictWhite said:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

    He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
    Voters will royally shit their pants in the last 72 hours, IMHO.

    There will be a final blitz from Project Terror the likes of which we have never seen before. Possibly including a panicked vow. This will be very heavily coordinated. The BBC will help. The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.

    Question is, will that force people out to vote Remain (and hate themselves for doing it) or will they just abstain or spoil their ballot? "A plague on both EUr houses"

    Dunno.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,785
    RobD said:

    SeanT said:



    We are a distinct and insular people . We don't like being bossed around, least of all by Europeans. This truth is reasserting itself, and will prevail at some point, soon.

    Except when they are invited to do so, for instance the Glorious Revolution :D
    The Monarchy - an EU import since 1066? :lol:
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,037
    Casino_Royale said:

    viewcode said:

    Ahem. I pointed out ON THIS BOARD WITHIN 48 HOURS OF THE DATE BEING ANNOUNCED that the ref date was close to "ID4:2" release date.

    I was hoping it would be counteracted by the release of "X-Men: Apocalypse" (where the bad guy explicitly wants to tear down all existing strictures without a plan in place to replace them).

    We Brexiters do it for teh evilz.
    You're supposed to finish that with "MWAH-HAH-HAH-HAH, PUNY EARTHLINGS!". Although I understand "NOTHING CAN STOP ME NOW!" is also popular... :)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,522
    BenedictWhite said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BenedictWhite said:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

    He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
    It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

    Just saying.
    I know, that is why I am voting patriotically for leave. Just saying. (And I have read the reports)
    Even Leavers are saying there is going to be a short term hit in the event of Brexit.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Casino_Royale said:

    Have Remainers worked out that, if they want to win, they need to stop being rude to Leavers, engage with their concerns, and make a positive and patriotic case for Britain's future in the EU yet?

    Leavers being rude to Remainers include Boris, Gove, IDS and Dorries. Admittedly it was rags like the DT which put the names in, in many cases.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,653
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BenedictWhite said:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

    He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
    It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

    Just saying.
    That's why I'm voting Leave.

    Our future economic prospects are best served by Brexit.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,037
    Casino_Royale said:

    The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.

    I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed

  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BenedictWhite said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BenedictWhite said:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

    He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
    It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

    Just saying.
    I know, that is why I am voting patriotically for leave. Just saying. (And I have read the reports)
    Even Leavers are saying there is going to be a short term hit in the event of Brexit.
    Some are. I'm saying that even if you believe the treasury report it will be bugger all and may actually get inflation to the correct levels that the BoE should be aiming for, so no in that sense if the treasury is right (It frequently isn't) then it will actually fix some structural issues.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,653
    perdix said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Have Remainers worked out that, if they want to win, they need to stop being rude to Leavers, engage with their concerns, and make a positive and patriotic case for Britain's future in the EU yet?

    Leavers being rude to Remainers include Boris, Gove, IDS and Dorries. Admittedly it was rags like the DT which put the names in, in many cases.

    Ah, "we're not listening".

    Suits me.

    Keep it up, old chap. Your side are doing sterling euro work.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,364
    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Can anyone else think of an occasion when a large developed country collectively stuck two fingers up at its entire political social and commercial elite.

    I suppose the 1945 Labour landslide - sort of

    Plenty of referendums on the continent
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,364
    SeanT said:

    I was thinking exactly this as I hiked the Ridgeway today, in glorious sun. it is one of the great walks of the world, so much history and beauty and wildlife and so many excellent pubs, lost in the beechwoods of the Chilterns.

    And this is a 5000 year old footpath. Anyone with native British ancestry is directly related to the men and women that walked it in the Bronze Age. And does it swerve to avoid the prime minister's estate at Chequers? - does it fuck. It goes straight through, past his front door, as it should, because this is England and he is just another politician.

    All along the Ridgeway there are monuments to out differentness and our freedoms and our battles with Europe, from Whiteleaf Cross, carved to commemorate defeat of the Danes in about 900AD, to Wendover, where I drank a fine cold English ale in a pub built when the town's MP was Hampden- one of the MPs whose seizure by Charles First kicked off the Civil War.

    We are a distinct and insular people . We don't like being bossed around, least of all by Europeans. This truth is reasserting itself, and will prevail at some point, soon.

    Yes I have walked part of that walk, you can go right up to the Chequers drive, although not to the House itself
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,653
    viewcode said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.

    I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed

    The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.

    I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,364
    MarkHopkins said:


    Oh look, Top Gear has started.

    ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Penelope Keith on the Queen's residences on 4, Soccer Aid on 3
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,522
    Casino_Royale said:

    viewcode said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.

    I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed

    The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.

    I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.
    Some of remember in 1997 they told their readers to back the most Eurosceptic candidate in their constituency.

    So they effectively endorsed Tony Benn and Michael Portillo
  • Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    not_on_fire said:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Can anyone else think of an occasion when a large developed country collectively stuck two fingers up at its entire political social and commercial elite.

    I suppose the 1945 Labour landslide - sort of

    Donald Trump
    I guess Leninspart winning the Mayor of London as an independent was in that ballpark too
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,930
    55th - Like Boy George in the next Tory Party leadership contest! :smiley:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,364
    edited June 2016
    Casino_Royale said:

    viewcode said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.

    I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed

    The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.

    I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.
    Murdoch will hedge his bets, the Times will be for Remain and the Sun for Leave (in accordance with the likely voting intentions of their readers). He has done it before, at the general election the English Sun backed the Tories, the Scottish Sun backed the SNP
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,653
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    viewcode said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.

    I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed

    The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.

    I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.
    Some of remember in 1997 they told their readers to back the most Eurosceptic candidate in their constituency.

    So they effectively endorsed Tony Benn and Michael Portillo
    Yeah I know, but I think The Times has moved on.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,737
    SeanT said:

    And this is a 5000 year old footpath. Anyone with native British ancestry is directly related to the men and women that walked it in the Bronze Age.

    Depends on your theory of the ancestry of the current Anglo-Saxon-speaking peoples. I agree, but there is still a prevalent view that the roots of the majority English people in England are much more recent than 5,000 years.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    GIN1138 said:

    55th - Like Boy George in the next Tory Party leadership contest! :smiley:

    Excellent post.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BenedictWhite said:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

    He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
    It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

    Just saying.
    So we can be ruled by lizards, tortured, sent to the gas chambers - as long as the economic prospects are ok?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,706
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BenedictWhite said:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

    He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
    It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

    Just saying.
    There is one approach the Remain side could usefully try.

    Many people are discounting the doom & gloom because we've heard it too many times before and it's been proved wrong.

    So if Remain would acknowledge this, and explain why the doom & gloom wrong before and why it's right now, they might sway some of us back again.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,653
    MarkHopkins said:


    Oh look, Top Gear has started.

    ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Jesus. Just tried a few minutes of that.

    *Chris Evans tells a joke*

    Audience: *huhhuhhuhhuh...*

    Embarrassing.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,737
    Don't laugh immediately, but Britain needs to have more referendums.

    Swiss and Irish have referendums all the time about European and other topics, and they don't seem to get as bitter. Maybe people accept that they will often be on the opposite side to friends and colleagues.
  • Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    weejonnie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BenedictWhite said:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

    He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
    It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

    Just saying.
    So we can be ruled by lizards, tortured, sent to the gas chambers - as long as the economic prospects are ok?
    Oh dear
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,522
    weejonnie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BenedictWhite said:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

    He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
    It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

    Just saying.
    So we can be ruled by lizards, tortured, sent to the gas chambers - as long as the economic prospects are ok?
    Sounds fair.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Top Gear fans -

    set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

    I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,564
    Tim_B said:


    I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

    Replaced with 60 minutes of test card footage? :D
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Tim_B said:

    Top Gear fans -

    set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

    I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

    I glanced at Twitter, still not popular. Some big changes needed.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited June 2016
    Tim_B said:

    Top Gear fans -

    set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

    I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

    Its quite a bit better. Glorious Drakensberg helps.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,653
    Re: Top Gear: this doesn't even qualify as a tribute act.

    It's like a really shite bedroom swede.
  • Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited June 2016


    Like swapping Terry Scott for Ben Elton in Terry and June and wondering whi it isnt funny.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,174
    Tim_B said:

    Top Gear fans -

    set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

    I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

    Twitter seems to think bit better, if you mute your TV whenever shouty mcshouty face is on.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Casino_Royale said:

    Re: Top Gear: this doesn't even qualify as a tribute act.

    It's like a really shite bedroom swede.

    Umm, dare I ask? :astonished:
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,285
    Hmmmm..... The original Independence Day required the use of a suicide bomber to overthrow the oppressors. Bit extreme, even for Brexiteers!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,564
    Casino_Royale said:

    Re: Top Gear: this doesn't even qualify as a tribute act.

    It's like a really shite bedroom swede.

    Turnip, surely? :D
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    PlatoSaid said:

    Tim_B said:

    Top Gear fans -

    set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

    I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

    I glanced at Twitter, still not popular. Some big changes needed.
    Matt will be great - he has just the light touch and self-deprecating humor needed. Sabine will be great.

    The problem is Evans. He has no persona, no on-screen presence, and doesn't do empathy. Otherwise than he's a gear head I don't understand for the life of me what he's doing fronting Top Gear.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,174
    Tim_B said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Tim_B said:

    Top Gear fans -

    set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

    I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

    I glanced at Twitter, still not popular. Some big changes needed.
    Matt will be great - he has just the light touch and self-deprecating humor needed. Sabine will be great.

    The problem is Evans. He has no persona, no on-screen presence, and doesn't do empathy. Otherwise than he's a gear head I don't understand for the life of me what he's doing fronting Top Gear.
    Leblanc has a new sitcom in the US starting. If it is a hit I doubt bbc could afford him or he would have time.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,163
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    viewcode said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.

    I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed

    The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.

    I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.
    Some of remember in 1997 they told their readers to back the most Eurosceptic candidate in their constituency.

    So they effectively endorsed Tony Benn and Michael Portillo
    Yes, that was utterly embarrassing and was really the first step towards the forfeiture of any claim The Times had to be taken seriously. As Nick Palmer pointed out, they beseeched their readership to vote against the Tory, pro-european candidate for Broxtowe without bothering to establish his views on the matter. Clumsy and crass.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,785
    edited June 2016
    President Sunil's address to the PB Faithful :)

    Good evening. In less than 18 days, activists from here will join others from around these Islands. And you will be launching the largest electoral battle in the history of mankind.

    Mankind - that word should have new meaning for all of us today.

    We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore.

    We will be united in our common interests.

    Perhaps its fate that day is the 23rd of June, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom, not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution - but from EU diktats and red tape.

    We're fighting for our right to live, to exist.

    And should we win the day, the 23rd of June will no longer be known as a British holiday, but as the day when the world declared in one voice:

    "We will not go quietly into the night!
    We will not vanish without a fight!
    We're going to live on!
    We're going to survive!"

    That day, we celebrate our Independence Day!

    **crowd cheers**
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,653
    PlatoSaid said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Re: Top Gear: this doesn't even qualify as a tribute act.

    It's like a really shite bedroom swede.

    Umm, dare I ask? :astonished:
    Basically, Chris Evans' "Top Gear" is like him trying to be Arnie, and re-do Terminator 2, and yet still failing, with a huge budget, to match the quality of this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mTCgIHpQXE
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,285
    Casino_Royale said:

    MarkHopkins said:


    Oh look, Top Gear has started.

    ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Jesus. Just tried a few minutes of that.

    *Chris Evans tells a joke*

    Audience: *huhhuhhuhhuh...*

    Embarrassing.
    Apparently there is a dubbed on laughter track, so poor was the audience response....
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    SeanT said:

    Tim_B said:

    Top Gear fans -

    set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

    I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

    The Twitter reaction: this is initially rather better, but No, on reflection, still awful

    I think the BBC has just realised that millions of people aren't THAT interested in cars - viewers just found Clarkson, May and Hammond surprisingly funny and endearing, even if they were also annoying.

    What a dreadful fuck up. Its ever more noticeable that the man responsible for sacking Clarkson - Danny Cohen - has already departed the Corporation.


    I've said on here several times that the appeal of Top Gear was 3 middle aged blokes and their relationship - the rest was secondary. It is NOT a vehicle for vehicles.

    Cohen, Cohen, Gone? (sorry)
  • Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    AnneJGP said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BenedictWhite said:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

    He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
    It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

    Just saying.
    There is one approach the Remain side could usefully try.

    Many people are discounting the doom & gloom because we've heard it too many times before and it's been proved wrong.

    So if Remain would acknowledge this, and explain why the doom & gloom wrong before and why it's right now, they might sway some of us back again.
    If you want to try doom and gloom it has to be credible. Remains isnt. The fact that they are willing to scare voters into voting for remain with the threat of higher mobile roaming charges on holiday brings contempt on them.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,285
    SeanT said:

    Tim_B said:

    Top Gear fans -

    set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

    I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

    The Twitter reaction: this is initially rather better, but No, on reflection, still awful

    I think the BBC has just realised that millions of people aren't THAT interested in cars - viewers just found Clarkson, May and Hammond surprisingly funny and endearing, even if they were also annoying.

    What a dreadful fuck up. Its ever more noticeable that the man responsible for sacking Clarkson - Danny Cohen - has already departed the Corporation.


    He only cost the Corporation a few hundred millions a year in international sales. No biggie...
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,163
    SeanT said:

    Tim_B said:

    Top Gear fans -

    set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

    I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

    The Twitter reaction: this is initially rather better, but No, on reflection, still awful

    I think the BBC has just realised that millions of people aren't THAT interested in cars - viewers just found Clarkson, May and Hammond surprisingly funny and endearing, even if they were also annoying.

    What a dreadful fuck up. Its ever more noticeable that the man responsible for sacking Clarkson - Danny Cohen - has already departed the Corporation.


    What happened to the bloke whose head Clarkson pulped? Is he still there?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,174
    MarqueeMark said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    MarkHopkins said:


    Oh look, Top Gear has started.

    ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Jesus. Just tried a few minutes of that.

    *Chris Evans tells a joke*

    Audience: *huhhuhhuhhuh...*

    Embarrassing.
    Apparently there is a dubbed on laughter track, so poor was the audience response....
    Given how annoying he is just for a few minutes, imagine having to stand their all day & have to listen to him shouting over and over for hours on end.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,522
    Thatcher making the exact same argument as Dave. The EC stops another world war.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited June 2016
    The myriad of ordinary footpaths connecting ordinary places for ordinary people is an ill-appreciated wonder of this country. The Icknield/Ridge Way is a glory amongst them. It traverses what were ancient tribal areas whose inhabitants strove and fought. Am I wrong to think that it's ironic that the Way can now represent a unified culture best kept separate from its European neighbours?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,522
    edited June 2016
    I shall be publishing a EURef poll at one minute past midnight.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,785
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Thatcher making the exact same argument as Dave. The EC stops another world war.

    "I could NEVER have signed this treaty!" Maggie in 1993, speaking about Maastricht in the HoL.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,564
    edited June 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I shall be publishing an EURef poll at one minute past midnight.

    No premature posting for us today? :(
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,100
    edited June 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I shall be publishing an EURef poll at one minute past midnight.

    Is that the one with Leave ahead mentioned earlier?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,564
    Tim_B said:

    SeanT said:

    Tim_B said:

    Top Gear fans -

    set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

    I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

    The Twitter reaction: this is initially rather better, but No, on reflection, still awful

    I think the BBC has just realised that millions of people aren't THAT interested in cars - viewers just found Clarkson, May and Hammond surprisingly funny and endearing, even if they were also annoying.

    What a dreadful fuck up. Its ever more noticeable that the man responsible for sacking Clarkson - Danny Cohen - has already departed the Corporation.


    I've said on here several times that the appeal of Top Gear was 3 middle aged blokes and their relationship - the rest was secondary. It is NOT a vehicle for vehicles.

    Cohen, Cohen, Gone? (sorry)
    Agreed, the cars almost became a side show.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,785
    SeanT said:

    Tim_B said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Tim_B said:

    Top Gear fans -

    set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

    I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

    I glanced at Twitter, still not popular. Some big changes needed.
    Matt will be great - he has just the light touch and self-deprecating humor needed. Sabine will be great.

    The problem is Evans. He has no persona, no on-screen presence, and doesn't do empathy. Otherwise than he's a gear head I don't understand for the life of me what he's doing fronting Top Gear.
    Also and more importantly: Evans is NOT FUNNY. He's not ever been funny. He knows he's not funny. He has a manic charisma (I guess) but it's all about energy and stuff, and it's got nothing to do with being funny.

    Clarkson is a comic genius. This was absolutely key to the last show being so successful. He's a brilliant clown. A natural posh upper middle class ageing English clown. Even if you hated him, you had to admit he could be funny.

    People watched Top Gear, in their millions, to be amused. They won't watch a merely competent car show in anything like the same numbers.
    "The brand new Top Gear is like doing a jigsaw: a pointless way to pass the time until you die!"
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    AnneJGP said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BenedictWhite said:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

    He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
    It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

    Just saying.
    There is one approach the Remain side could usefully try.

    Many people are discounting the doom & gloom because we've heard it too many times before and it's been proved wrong.

    So if Remain would acknowledge this, and explain why the doom & gloom wrong before and why it's right now, they might sway some of us back again.
    If you want to try doom and gloom it has to be credible. Remains isnt. The fact that they are willing to scare voters into voting for remain with the threat of higher mobile roaming charges on holiday brings contempt on them.
    The big problem they have with all the economic doom scenarios is that there is a flip side to every one.

    There are many UK business sectors or people who will benefit from a falling currency, new tariffs, rising interest rates.

    And their 'experts' need to be bullet proof, not a list of serial failures with a charge sheet of wrong calls longer than Steve McLaren.

  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Thatcher making the exact same argument as Dave. The EC stops another world war.

    The problem is that in my assessment it doesn't.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,364
    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    viewcode said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.

    I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed

    The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.

    I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.
    Murdoch will hedge his bets, the Times will be for Remain and the Sun for Leave. He has done it before, at the general election the English Sun backed the Tories, the Scottish Sun backed the SNP
    I've got a bet on this with Rob Smithson.

    He thinks a majority of the Sun, Sun on Sunday, Times and Sunday Times will go REMAIN, I've wagered the opposite (IIRC, we might also have bet on the Mail and Mail on Sunday)

    I now reckon it will be a dead rubber. 50/50

    Sun will go LEAVE, as will the Times

    Their Sunday sisters will go REMAIN
    Interesting but why split the Sundays and the dailies when their readership have largely the same voting patterns? There is a much sharper divide between Times and Sun readers, according to Yougov 62% of Times readers back Remain and 38% Leave but with Sun readers the figures are reversed with 71% backing Leave and just 29% Remain
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/21/eu-referendum-who-in-britain-wants-to-leave-and-who-wants-to-rem/
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    Did you write this thread just to put an Independence Day trailer in the header, TSE? Tut, tut! :p

    This was more an attempt to bring some levity back to PB.

    Some PBers, Leavers and Remainers, are becoming a bit grumpy.
    You and I both know what subject would bring gaiety to PB......
    The return of JackW?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Tim_B said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Tim_B said:

    Top Gear fans -

    set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

    I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

    I glanced at Twitter, still not popular. Some big changes needed.
    Matt will be great - he has just the light touch and self-deprecating humor needed. Sabine will be great.

    The problem is Evans. He has no persona, no on-screen presence, and doesn't do empathy. Otherwise than he's a gear head I don't understand for the life of me what he's doing fronting Top Gear.
    Leblanc has a new sitcom in the US starting. If it is a hit I doubt bbc could afford him or he would have time.
    His new sitcom "I'm Not Your Friend" (on CBS I think) would have a 13 episode season, so he has plenty of time for Top Gear. He has apparently already been offered a huge increase to return for Top Gear's next season.

    Remember, he is known world wide, but nobody outside the UK has ever heard of Chris Evans.
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