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This month has some great anniversaries if you’re British, Waterloo, The Queen’s official birthday, and of course tomorrow, the finest and most important military operation in human history, Operation Overlord*.
Have Remainers worked out that, if they want to win, they need to stop being rude to Leavers, engage with their concerns, and make a positive and patriotic case for Britain's future in the EU yet?
Catching up with BBC's Marr - Major was brilliant. Quiet, cold anger.
Yes. I liked Major a lot.
But then I think about what a disaster he said it would be if we left the ERM.
Turns out that he was wrong. Very very wrong.
So I am now on the other side.
That was what did it for me too. All that misery and despair. 15% mortgage rates, reposessions and bankruptcies and unemp,oyment back over three millio. Far,far worse for the man on the proverbial omnibus than the 2008 crash. And for NOTHING.
And then the idiot privatised the railways in the worst way possible to meet EU open access rules.
Publicise Major as much as you like. I can't think of a better way of getting over 40s to get of their backsides and vote leave
Have Remainers worked out that, if they want to win, they need to stop being rude to Leavers, engage with their concerns, and make a positive and patriotic case for Britain's future in the EU yet?
Remain will never win the patriotic argument, if they win it will be on fear of the consequences, particularly on the economy. See Scotland
Dr Johnson's quote 'Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel' is one of the most misused quotes in the language. What it means is that even after every other virtue has been abandoned, the scoundrel still has patriotic sentiment. What people who use it mean is that everyone that appeals to people's patriotism is a scoundrel. If that were the meaning, the quote would be 'Patriotism is the first recourse of the scoundrel'.
Catching up with BBC's Marr - Major was brilliant. Quiet, cold anger.
Yes. I liked Major a lot.
But then I think about what a disaster he said it would be if we left the ERM.
Turns out that he was wrong. Very very wrong.
So I am now on the other side.
That was what did it for me too. All that misery and despsir. 15% mortgage rates, reposessions and bankruptcies and unemp,oyment back over three millio. Far,far worse for the man on the proverbial omnibus than the 2008 crash. And for NOTHING
Most of us on the Leave side have heard it all before.
And the very worst prophecies of doom we're given, now, are milder than the 1992 recession, yet alone the 2008 crash.
Have Remainers worked out that, if they want to win, they need to stop being rude to Leavers, engage with their concerns, and make a positive and patriotic case for Britain's future in the EU yet?
I won't agree with that until I see a letter signed by at LEAST 20 experts to back it up.
Catching up with BBC's Marr - Major was brilliant. Quiet, cold anger.
Yes. I liked Major a lot.
But then I think about what a disaster he said it would be if we left the ERM.
Turns out that he was wrong. Very very wrong.
So I am now on the other side.
That was what did it for me too. All that misery and despsir. 15% mortgage rates, reposessions and bankruptcies and unemp,oyment back over three millio. Far,far worse for the man on the proverbial omnibus than the 2008 crash. And for NOTHING
Most of us on the Leave side have heard it all before.
And the very worst prophecies of doom we're given, now, are milder than the 1992 recession, yet alone the 2008 crash.
Can anyone else think of an occasion when a large developed country collectively stuck two fingers up at its entire political social and commercial elite.
Ahem. I pointed out ON THIS BOARD WITHIN 48 HOURS OF THE DATE BEING ANNOUNCED that the ref date was close to "ID4:2" release date.
I was hoping it would be counteracted by the release of "X-Men: Apocalypse" (where the bad guy explicitly wants to tear down all existing strictures without a plan in place to replace them).
...or conversely "Captain America: Civil War", where both sides have a point....
...but it seems even drawing analogies to comic book movies cannot save us now...
"Peter (Cook) never had any regrets in his life. I never heard him voice any regrets. He didn't regret the fact that he lost his early facility, he didn't regret the fact that he lost his looks, which he did quite spectacularly, he didn't regret the fact that Dudley had gone on to fame and fortune in Hollywood. The only regret he regularly voiced was that, at the house we all shared in Fairfield, Connecticut in 1963, he'd saved David Frost from drowning."
We are a distinct and insular people . We don't like being bossed around, least of all by Europeans. This truth is reasserting itself, and will prevail at some point, soon.
Except when they are invited to do so, for instance the Glorious Revolution
Ahem. I pointed out ON THIS BOARD WITHIN 48 HOURS OF THE DATE BEING ANNOUNCED that the ref date was close to "ID4:2" release date.
I was hoping it would be counteracted by the release of "X-Men: Apocalypse" (where the bad guy explicitly wants to tear down all existing strictures without a plan in place to replace them).
Ahem. I pointed out ON THIS BOARD WITHIN 48 HOURS OF THE DATE BEING ANNOUNCED that the ref date was close to "ID4:2" release date.
I was hoping it would be counteracted by the release of "X-Men: Apocalypse" (where the bad guy explicitly wants to tear down all existing strictures without a plan in place to replace them).
Will they be putting up lots of Billboards with 'Independence Day .June 23rd lol'
I'm as mawkishly patriotic as the next man (I can cry on demand just by thinking of a British sporting win) but I honestly find the jingoism Leave are employing - Dad's Army, 'Who will speak for England now?' - utterly toe curling. I just hope no foreigners are watching, as it would give them the perfect reason to laugh and sneer. Britain is miles better than that, but the inadequates are determined to bring it down to their level.
Can anyone else think of an occasion when a large developed country collectively stuck two fingers up at its entire political social and commercial elite.
Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek
He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
Voters will royally shit their pants in the last 72 hours, IMHO.
There will be a final blitz from Project Terror the likes of which we have never seen before. Possibly including a panicked vow. This will be very heavily coordinated. The BBC will help. The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.
Question is, will that force people out to vote Remain (and hate themselves for doing it) or will they just abstain or spoil their ballot? "A plague on both EUr houses"
We are a distinct and insular people . We don't like being bossed around, least of all by Europeans. This truth is reasserting itself, and will prevail at some point, soon.
Except when they are invited to do so, for instance the Glorious Revolution
Ahem. I pointed out ON THIS BOARD WITHIN 48 HOURS OF THE DATE BEING ANNOUNCED that the ref date was close to "ID4:2" release date.
I was hoping it would be counteracted by the release of "X-Men: Apocalypse" (where the bad guy explicitly wants to tear down all existing strictures without a plan in place to replace them).
We Brexiters do it for teh evilz.
You're supposed to finish that with "MWAH-HAH-HAH-HAH, PUNY EARTHLINGS!". Although I understand "NOTHING CAN STOP ME NOW!" is also popular...
Have Remainers worked out that, if they want to win, they need to stop being rude to Leavers, engage with their concerns, and make a positive and patriotic case for Britain's future in the EU yet?
Leavers being rude to Remainers include Boris, Gove, IDS and Dorries. Admittedly it was rags like the DT which put the names in, in many cases.
Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek
He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.
Just saying.
I know, that is why I am voting patriotically for leave. Just saying. (And I have read the reports)
Even Leavers are saying there is going to be a short term hit in the event of Brexit.
Some are. I'm saying that even if you believe the treasury report it will be bugger all and may actually get inflation to the correct levels that the BoE should be aiming for, so no in that sense if the treasury is right (It frequently isn't) then it will actually fix some structural issues.
Have Remainers worked out that, if they want to win, they need to stop being rude to Leavers, engage with their concerns, and make a positive and patriotic case for Britain's future in the EU yet?
Leavers being rude to Remainers include Boris, Gove, IDS and Dorries. Admittedly it was rags like the DT which put the names in, in many cases.
Ah, "we're not listening".
Suits me.
Keep it up, old chap. Your side are doing sterling euro work.
Can anyone else think of an occasion when a large developed country collectively stuck two fingers up at its entire political social and commercial elite.
I was thinking exactly this as I hiked the Ridgeway today, in glorious sun. it is one of the great walks of the world, so much history and beauty and wildlife and so many excellent pubs, lost in the beechwoods of the Chilterns.
And this is a 5000 year old footpath. Anyone with native British ancestry is directly related to the men and women that walked it in the Bronze Age. And does it swerve to avoid the prime minister's estate at Chequers? - does it fuck. It goes straight through, past his front door, as it should, because this is England and he is just another politician.
All along the Ridgeway there are monuments to out differentness and our freedoms and our battles with Europe, from Whiteleaf Cross, carved to commemorate defeat of the Danes in about 900AD, to Wendover, where I drank a fine cold English ale in a pub built when the town's MP was Hampden- one of the MPs whose seizure by Charles First kicked off the Civil War.
We are a distinct and insular people . We don't like being bossed around, least of all by Europeans. This truth is reasserting itself, and will prevail at some point, soon.
Yes I have walked part of that walk, you can go right up to the Chequers drive, although not to the House itself
The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.
I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed
The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.
I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.
The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.
I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed
The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.
I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.
Some of remember in 1997 they told their readers to back the most Eurosceptic candidate in their constituency.
So they effectively endorsed Tony Benn and Michael Portillo
Can anyone else think of an occasion when a large developed country collectively stuck two fingers up at its entire political social and commercial elite.
I suppose the 1945 Labour landslide - sort of
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I guess Leninspart winning the Mayor of London as an independent was in that ballpark too
The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.
I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed
The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.
I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.
Murdoch will hedge his bets, the Times will be for Remain and the Sun for Leave (in accordance with the likely voting intentions of their readers). He has done it before, at the general election the English Sun backed the Tories, the Scottish Sun backed the SNP
The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.
I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed
The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.
I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.
Some of remember in 1997 they told their readers to back the most Eurosceptic candidate in their constituency.
So they effectively endorsed Tony Benn and Michael Portillo
And this is a 5000 year old footpath. Anyone with native British ancestry is directly related to the men and women that walked it in the Bronze Age.
Depends on your theory of the ancestry of the current Anglo-Saxon-speaking peoples. I agree, but there is still a prevalent view that the roots of the majority English people in England are much more recent than 5,000 years.
Don't laugh immediately, but Britain needs to have more referendums.
Swiss and Irish have referendums all the time about European and other topics, and they don't seem to get as bitter. Maybe people accept that they will often be on the opposite side to friends and colleagues.
set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?
I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2
I glanced at Twitter, still not popular. Some big changes needed.
Matt will be great - he has just the light touch and self-deprecating humor needed. Sabine will be great.
The problem is Evans. He has no persona, no on-screen presence, and doesn't do empathy. Otherwise than he's a gear head I don't understand for the life of me what he's doing fronting Top Gear.
set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?
I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2
I glanced at Twitter, still not popular. Some big changes needed.
Matt will be great - he has just the light touch and self-deprecating humor needed. Sabine will be great.
The problem is Evans. He has no persona, no on-screen presence, and doesn't do empathy. Otherwise than he's a gear head I don't understand for the life of me what he's doing fronting Top Gear.
Leblanc has a new sitcom in the US starting. If it is a hit I doubt bbc could afford him or he would have time.
The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.
I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed
The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.
I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.
Some of remember in 1997 they told their readers to back the most Eurosceptic candidate in their constituency.
So they effectively endorsed Tony Benn and Michael Portillo
Yes, that was utterly embarrassing and was really the first step towards the forfeiture of any claim The Times had to be taken seriously. As Nick Palmer pointed out, they beseeched their readership to vote against the Tory, pro-european candidate for Broxtowe without bothering to establish his views on the matter. Clumsy and crass.
Good evening. In less than 18 days, activists from here will join others from around these Islands. And you will be launching the largest electoral battle in the history of mankind.
Mankind - that word should have new meaning for all of us today.
We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore.
We will be united in our common interests.
Perhaps its fate that day is the 23rd of June, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom, not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution - but from EU diktats and red tape.
We're fighting for our right to live, to exist.
And should we win the day, the 23rd of June will no longer be known as a British holiday, but as the day when the world declared in one voice:
"We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive!"
Re: Top Gear: this doesn't even qualify as a tribute act.
It's like a really shite bedroom swede.
Umm, dare I ask?
Basically, Chris Evans' "Top Gear" is like him trying to be Arnie, and re-do Terminator 2, and yet still failing, with a huge budget, to match the quality of this:
set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?
I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2
The Twitter reaction: this is initially rather better, but No, on reflection, still awful
I think the BBC has just realised that millions of people aren't THAT interested in cars - viewers just found Clarkson, May and Hammond surprisingly funny and endearing, even if they were also annoying.
What a dreadful fuck up. Its ever more noticeable that the man responsible for sacking Clarkson - Danny Cohen - has already departed the Corporation.
I've said on here several times that the appeal of Top Gear was 3 middle aged blokes and their relationship - the rest was secondary. It is NOT a vehicle for vehicles.
Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek
He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.
Just saying.
There is one approach the Remain side could usefully try.
Many people are discounting the doom & gloom because we've heard it too many times before and it's been proved wrong.
So if Remain would acknowledge this, and explain why the doom & gloom wrong before and why it's right now, they might sway some of us back again.
If you want to try doom and gloom it has to be credible. Remains isnt. The fact that they are willing to scare voters into voting for remain with the threat of higher mobile roaming charges on holiday brings contempt on them.
set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?
I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2
The Twitter reaction: this is initially rather better, but No, on reflection, still awful
I think the BBC has just realised that millions of people aren't THAT interested in cars - viewers just found Clarkson, May and Hammond surprisingly funny and endearing, even if they were also annoying.
What a dreadful fuck up. Its ever more noticeable that the man responsible for sacking Clarkson - Danny Cohen - has already departed the Corporation.
He only cost the Corporation a few hundred millions a year in international sales. No biggie...
set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?
I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2
The Twitter reaction: this is initially rather better, but No, on reflection, still awful
I think the BBC has just realised that millions of people aren't THAT interested in cars - viewers just found Clarkson, May and Hammond surprisingly funny and endearing, even if they were also annoying.
What a dreadful fuck up. Its ever more noticeable that the man responsible for sacking Clarkson - Danny Cohen - has already departed the Corporation.
What happened to the bloke whose head Clarkson pulped? Is he still there?
Apparently there is a dubbed on laughter track, so poor was the audience response....
Given how annoying he is just for a few minutes, imagine having to stand their all day & have to listen to him shouting over and over for hours on end.
The myriad of ordinary footpaths connecting ordinary places for ordinary people is an ill-appreciated wonder of this country. The Icknield/Ridge Way is a glory amongst them. It traverses what were ancient tribal areas whose inhabitants strove and fought. Am I wrong to think that it's ironic that the Way can now represent a unified culture best kept separate from its European neighbours?
set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?
I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2
The Twitter reaction: this is initially rather better, but No, on reflection, still awful
I think the BBC has just realised that millions of people aren't THAT interested in cars - viewers just found Clarkson, May and Hammond surprisingly funny and endearing, even if they were also annoying.
What a dreadful fuck up. Its ever more noticeable that the man responsible for sacking Clarkson - Danny Cohen - has already departed the Corporation.
I've said on here several times that the appeal of Top Gear was 3 middle aged blokes and their relationship - the rest was secondary. It is NOT a vehicle for vehicles.
set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?
I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2
I glanced at Twitter, still not popular. Some big changes needed.
Matt will be great - he has just the light touch and self-deprecating humor needed. Sabine will be great.
The problem is Evans. He has no persona, no on-screen presence, and doesn't do empathy. Otherwise than he's a gear head I don't understand for the life of me what he's doing fronting Top Gear.
Also and more importantly: Evans is NOT FUNNY. He's not ever been funny. He knows he's not funny. He has a manic charisma (I guess) but it's all about energy and stuff, and it's got nothing to do with being funny.
Clarkson is a comic genius. This was absolutely key to the last show being so successful. He's a brilliant clown. A natural posh upper middle class ageing English clown. Even if you hated him, you had to admit he could be funny.
People watched Top Gear, in their millions, to be amused. They won't watch a merely competent car show in anything like the same numbers.
"The brand new Top Gear is like doing a jigsaw: a pointless way to pass the time until you die!"
Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek
He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.
It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.
Just saying.
There is one approach the Remain side could usefully try.
Many people are discounting the doom & gloom because we've heard it too many times before and it's been proved wrong.
So if Remain would acknowledge this, and explain why the doom & gloom wrong before and why it's right now, they might sway some of us back again.
If you want to try doom and gloom it has to be credible. Remains isnt. The fact that they are willing to scare voters into voting for remain with the threat of higher mobile roaming charges on holiday brings contempt on them.
The big problem they have with all the economic doom scenarios is that there is a flip side to every one.
There are many UK business sectors or people who will benefit from a falling currency, new tariffs, rising interest rates.
And their 'experts' need to be bullet proof, not a list of serial failures with a charge sheet of wrong calls longer than Steve McLaren.
The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.
I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed
The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.
I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.
Murdoch will hedge his bets, the Times will be for Remain and the Sun for Leave. He has done it before, at the general election the English Sun backed the Tories, the Scottish Sun backed the SNP
I've got a bet on this with Rob Smithson.
He thinks a majority of the Sun, Sun on Sunday, Times and Sunday Times will go REMAIN, I've wagered the opposite (IIRC, we might also have bet on the Mail and Mail on Sunday)
I now reckon it will be a dead rubber. 50/50
Sun will go LEAVE, as will the Times
Their Sunday sisters will go REMAIN
Interesting but why split the Sundays and the dailies when their readership have largely the same voting patterns? There is a much sharper divide between Times and Sun readers, according to Yougov 62% of Times readers back Remain and 38% Leave but with Sun readers the figures are reversed with 71% backing Leave and just 29% Remain http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/21/eu-referendum-who-in-britain-wants-to-leave-and-who-wants-to-rem/
set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?
I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2
I glanced at Twitter, still not popular. Some big changes needed.
Matt will be great - he has just the light touch and self-deprecating humor needed. Sabine will be great.
The problem is Evans. He has no persona, no on-screen presence, and doesn't do empathy. Otherwise than he's a gear head I don't understand for the life of me what he's doing fronting Top Gear.
Leblanc has a new sitcom in the US starting. If it is a hit I doubt bbc could afford him or he would have time.
His new sitcom "I'm Not Your Friend" (on CBS I think) would have a 13 episode season, so he has plenty of time for Top Gear. He has apparently already been offered a huge increase to return for Top Gear's next season.
Remember, he is known world wide, but nobody outside the UK has ever heard of Chris Evans.
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And then the idiot privatised the railways in the worst way possible to meet EU open access rules.
Publicise Major as much as you like. I can't think of a better way of getting over 40s to get of their backsides and vote leave
Some PBers, Leavers and Remainers, are becoming a bit grumpy.
And the very worst prophecies of doom we're given, now, are milder than the 1992 recession, yet alone the 2008 crash.
https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/734797347486609408
Oh look, Top Gear has started.
ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz
I suppose the 1945 Labour landslide - sort of
I was hoping it would be counteracted by the release of "X-Men: Apocalypse" (where the bad guy explicitly wants to tear down all existing strictures without a plan in place to replace them).
...or conversely "Captain America: Civil War", where both sides have a point....
...but it seems even drawing analogies to comic book movies cannot save us now...
"Peter (Cook) never had any regrets in his life. I never heard him voice any regrets. He didn't regret the fact that he lost his early facility, he didn't regret the fact that he lost his looks, which he did quite spectacularly, he didn't regret the fact that Dudley had gone on to fame and fortune in Hollywood. The only regret he regularly voiced was that, at the house we all shared in Fairfield, Connecticut in 1963, he'd saved David Frost from drowning."
Just saying.
Emergency services have been dealing with an incident involving burning vans on the outskirts of Glasgow.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36456381
Films not being made by Murdochs lot ia.s it lol
There will be a final blitz from Project Terror the likes of which we have never seen before. Possibly including a panicked vow. This will be very heavily coordinated. The BBC will help. The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.
Question is, will that force people out to vote Remain (and hate themselves for doing it) or will they just abstain or spoil their ballot? "A plague on both EUr houses"
Dunno.
Our future economic prospects are best served by Brexit.
Suits me.
Keep it up, old chap. Your side are doing sterling euro work.
I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.
So they effectively endorsed Tony Benn and Michael Portillo
Many people are discounting the doom & gloom because we've heard it too many times before and it's been proved wrong.
So if Remain would acknowledge this, and explain why the doom & gloom wrong before and why it's right now, they might sway some of us back again.
*Chris Evans tells a joke*
Audience: *huhhuhhuhhuh...*
Embarrassing.
Swiss and Irish have referendums all the time about European and other topics, and they don't seem to get as bitter. Maybe people accept that they will often be on the opposite side to friends and colleagues.
set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?
I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2
It's like a really shite bedroom swede.
Like swapping Terry Scott for Ben Elton in Terry and June and wondering whi it isnt funny.
The problem is Evans. He has no persona, no on-screen presence, and doesn't do empathy. Otherwise than he's a gear head I don't understand for the life of me what he's doing fronting Top Gear.
Good evening. In less than 18 days, activists from here will join others from around these Islands. And you will be launching the largest electoral battle in the history of mankind.
Mankind - that word should have new meaning for all of us today.
We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore.
We will be united in our common interests.
Perhaps its fate that day is the 23rd of June, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom, not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution - but from EU diktats and red tape.
We're fighting for our right to live, to exist.
And should we win the day, the 23rd of June will no longer be known as a British holiday, but as the day when the world declared in one voice:
"We will not go quietly into the night!
We will not vanish without a fight!
We're going to live on!
We're going to survive!"
That day, we celebrate our Independence Day!
**crowd cheers**
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mTCgIHpQXE
Cohen, Cohen, Gone? (sorry)
There are many UK business sectors or people who will benefit from a falling currency, new tariffs, rising interest rates.
And their 'experts' need to be bullet proof, not a list of serial failures with a charge sheet of wrong calls longer than Steve McLaren.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/21/eu-referendum-who-in-britain-wants-to-leave-and-who-wants-to-rem/
Remember, he is known world wide, but nobody outside the UK has ever heard of Chris Evans.