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RobD

Glorious First!

RobD

Did you write this thread just to put an Independence Day trailer in the header, TSE? Tut, tut!

Casino_Royale

Have Remainers worked out that, if they want to win, they need to stop being rude to Leavers, engage with their concerns, and make a positive and patriotic case for Britain's future in the EU yet?

Paul_Bedfordshire

BenedictWhite said:

rottenborough said:

Catching up with BBC's Marr - Major was brilliant. Quiet, cold anger.

Yes. I liked Major a lot.

But then I think about what a disaster he said it would be if we left the ERM.

Turns out that he was wrong. Very very wrong.

So I am now on the other side.

That was what did it for me too. All that misery and despair. 15% mortgage rates, reposessions and bankruptcies and unemp,oyment back over three millio. Far,far worse for the man on the proverbial omnibus than the 2008 crash. And for NOTHING.

And then the idiot privatised the railways in the worst way possible to meet EU open access rules.

Publicise Major as much as you like. I can't think of a better way of getting over 40s to get of their backsides and vote leave

Casino_Royale

PS. Even I chuckled at TSE's asterisk footnote. Very funny!

RobD

Casino_Royale said:

PS. Even I chuckled at TSE's asterisk footnote. Very funny!

He missed the most dreadful prospect - no Eurovision!!

Sunil_Prasannan

A Soviet European Union, if the Russians had reached Calais?

Sunil_Prasannan

BTW The Russians reached Paris in 1814!

HYUFD

Casino_Royale said:

Have Remainers worked out that, if they want to win, they need to stop being rude to Leavers, engage with their concerns, and make a positive and patriotic case for Britain's future in the EU yet?

Remain will never win the patriotic argument, if they win it will be on fear of the consequences, particularly on the economy. See Scotland

Luckyguy1983

Dr Johnson's quote 'Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel' is one of the most misused quotes in the language. What it means is that even after every other virtue has been abandoned, the scoundrel still has patriotic sentiment. What people who use it mean is that everyone that appeals to people's patriotism is a scoundrel. If that were the meaning, the quote would be 'Patriotism is the first recourse of the scoundrel'.

TheScreamingEagles

RobD said:

Did you write this thread just to put an Independence Day trailer in the header, TSE? Tut, tut!

This was more an attempt to bring some levity back to PB.

Some PBers, Leavers and Remainers, are becoming a bit grumpy.

Casino_Royale

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

BenedictWhite said:

rottenborough said:

Catching up with BBC's Marr - Major was brilliant. Quiet, cold anger.

Yes. I liked Major a lot.

But then I think about what a disaster he said it would be if we left the ERM.

Turns out that he was wrong. Very very wrong.

So I am now on the other side.

That was what did it for me too. All that misery and despsir. 15% mortgage rates, reposessions and bankruptcies and unemp,oyment back over three millio. Far,far worse for the man on the proverbial omnibus than the 2008 crash. And for NOTHING

Most of us on the Leave side have heard it all before.

And the very worst prophecies of doom we're given, now, are milder than the 1992 recession, yet alone the 2008 crash.

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/734797347486609408

Paul_Bedfordshire

Sunil_Prasannan said:

A Soviet European Union, if the Russians had reached Calais?

You mean a EUSSR?

FrancisUrquhart

Accidentally sat on the remote control and it turned onto BBC2...why is Shouty McShouty Face shouting while lying on a gurney?

Casino_Royale

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

Did you write this thread just to put an Independence Day trailer in the header, TSE? Tut, tut!

This was more an attempt to bring some levity back to PB.

Some PBers, Leavers and Remainers, are becoming a bit grumpy.

I think we can all agree with that.

RobD

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

Did you write this thread just to put an Independence Day trailer in the header, TSE? Tut, tut!

This was more an attempt to bring some levity back to PB.

Some PBers, Leavers and Remainers, are becoming a bit grumpy.

You and I both know what subject would bring gaiety to PB......

Luckyguy1983

Casino_Royale said:

Have Remainers worked out that, if they want to win, they need to stop being rude to Leavers, engage with their concerns, and make a positive and patriotic case for Britain's future in the EU yet?

I won't agree with that until I see a letter signed by at LEAST 20 experts to back it up.

Paul_Bedfordshire

Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

TheScreamingEagles

FrancisUrquhart said:

Accidentally set on the remote control and it turned onto BBC2...why is Shouty McShouty Face shouting while lying on a gurney?

Switch over to BBC Parliament, is much more fun.

Sean_F

FPT, I would have wanted to kill Norman Scott, had I been Jeremy Thorpe.

RobD

Casino_Royale said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

BenedictWhite said:

rottenborough said:

Catching up with BBC's Marr - Major was brilliant. Quiet, cold anger.

Yes. I liked Major a lot.

But then I think about what a disaster he said it would be if we left the ERM.

Turns out that he was wrong. Very very wrong.

So I am now on the other side.

That was what did it for me too. All that misery and despsir. 15% mortgage rates, reposessions and bankruptcies and unemp,oyment back over three millio. Far,far worse for the man on the proverbial omnibus than the 2008 crash. And for NOTHING

Most of us on the Leave side have heard it all before.

And the very worst prophecies of doom we're given, now, are milder than the 1992 recession, yet alone the 2008 crash.

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/734797347486609408

WW3 having less of an impact than I would have thought!

MarkHopkins

Oh look, Top Gear has started.

ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Paul_Bedfordshire

Can anyone else think of an occasion when a large developed country collectively stuck two fingers up at its entire political social and commercial elite.

I suppose the 1945 Labour landslide - sort of

FrancisUrquhart

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Accidentally set on the remote control and it turned onto BBC2...why is Shouty McShouty Face shouting while lying on a gurney?

Switch over to BBC Parliament, is much more fun.

I turned it over within 1 minute, as McShouty face shouted through the stig doing a fast lap in a sick coloured Mclaren.

Sunil_Prasannan

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Accidentally set on the remote control and it turned onto BBC2...why is Shouty McShouty Face shouting while lying on a gurney?

Switch over to BBC Parliament, is much more fun.

Great British Railway Journeys on "Yesterday" (Freeview 19)

viewcode

Ahem. I pointed out ON THIS BOARD WITHIN 48 HOURS OF THE DATE BEING ANNOUNCED that the ref date was close to "ID4:2" release date.

I was hoping it would be counteracted by the release of "X-Men: Apocalypse" (where the bad guy explicitly wants to tear down all existing strictures without a plan in place to replace them).

...or conversely "Captain America: Civil War", where both sides have a point....

...but it seems even drawing analogies to comic book movies cannot save us now...

Roger

FPT. Alan Benett's tribute to Peter Cook

"Peter (Cook) never had any regrets in his life. I never heard him voice any regrets. He didn't regret the fact that he lost his early facility, he didn't regret the fact that he lost his looks, which he did quite spectacularly, he didn't regret the fact that Dudley had gone on to fame and fortune in Hollywood. The only regret he regularly voiced was that, at the house we all shared in Fairfield, Connecticut in 1963, he'd saved David Frost from drowning."

ThreeQuidder

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

A Soviet European Union, if the Russians had reached Calais?

You mean a EUSSR?

POTD.

RobD

SeanT said:

We are a distinct and insular people . We don't like being bossed around, least of all by Europeans. This truth is reasserting itself, and will prevail at some point, soon.

Except when they are invited to do so, for instance the Glorious Revolution

Casino_Royale

viewcode said:

Ahem. I pointed out ON THIS BOARD WITHIN 48 HOURS OF THE DATE BEING ANNOUNCED that the ref date was close to "ID4:2" release date.

I was hoping it would be counteracted by the release of "X-Men: Apocalypse" (where the bad guy explicitly wants to tear down all existing strictures without a plan in place to replace them).

We Brexiters do it for teh evilz.

BenedictWhite

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.

TheScreamingEagles

BenedictWhite said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.

It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

Just saying.

FrancisUrquhart

I know Chris Evans has ruined Top Gear, but this seems a bit of an extreme reaction...

Emergency services have been dealing with an incident involving burning vans on the outskirts of Glasgow.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36456381

Paul_Bedfordshire

viewcode said:

Ahem. I pointed out ON THIS BOARD WITHIN 48 HOURS OF THE DATE BEING ANNOUNCED that the ref date was close to "ID4:2" release date.

I was hoping it would be counteracted by the release of "X-Men: Apocalypse" (where the bad guy explicitly wants to tear down all existing strictures without a plan in place to replace them).

Will they be putting up lots of Billboards with 'Independence Day .June 23rd lol'

Films not being made by Murdochs lot ia.s it lol

Sunil_Prasannan

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

A Soviet European Union, if the Russians had reached Calais?

You mean a EUSSR?

Never!

Stark_Dawning

I'm as mawkishly patriotic as the next man (I can cry on demand just by thinking of a British sporting win) but I honestly find the jingoism Leave are employing - Dad's Army, 'Who will speak for England now?' - utterly toe curling. I just hope no foreigners are watching, as it would give them the perfect reason to laugh and sneer. Britain is miles better than that, but the inadequates are determined to bring it down to their level.

Sunil_Prasannan

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.

It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

Just saying.

Naught but REMAIN scaremongering!

viewcode

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Films not being made by Murdochs lot ia.s it lol

Yes it is (20th Century Fox).

BenedictWhite

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.

It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

Just saying.

I know, that is why I am voting patriotically for leave. Just saying. (And I have read the reports)

not_on_fire

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Can anyone else think of an occasion when a large developed country collectively stuck two fingers up at its entire political social and commercial elite.

I suppose the 1945 Labour landslide - sort of

Donald Trump

Casino_Royale

BenedictWhite said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.

Voters will royally shit their pants in the last 72 hours, IMHO.

There will be a final blitz from Project Terror the likes of which we have never seen before. Possibly including a panicked vow. This will be very heavily coordinated. The BBC will help. The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.

Question is, will that force people out to vote Remain (and hate themselves for doing it) or will they just abstain or spoil their ballot? "A plague on both EUr houses"

Dunno.

Sunil_Prasannan

RobD said:

SeanT said:

We are a distinct and insular people . We don't like being bossed around, least of all by Europeans. This truth is reasserting itself, and will prevail at some point, soon.

Except when they are invited to do so, for instance the Glorious Revolution

The Monarchy - an EU import since 1066?

viewcode

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:

Ahem. I pointed out ON THIS BOARD WITHIN 48 HOURS OF THE DATE BEING ANNOUNCED that the ref date was close to "ID4:2" release date.

I was hoping it would be counteracted by the release of "X-Men: Apocalypse" (where the bad guy explicitly wants to tear down all existing strictures without a plan in place to replace them).

We Brexiters do it for teh evilz.

You're supposed to finish that with "MWAH-HAH-HAH-HAH, PUNY EARTHLINGS!". Although I understand "NOTHING CAN STOP ME NOW!" is also popular...

TheScreamingEagles

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.

It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

Just saying.

I know, that is why I am voting patriotically for leave. Just saying. (And I have read the reports)

Even Leavers are saying there is going to be a short term hit in the event of Brexit.

perdix

Casino_Royale said:

Have Remainers worked out that, if they want to win, they need to stop being rude to Leavers, engage with their concerns, and make a positive and patriotic case for Britain's future in the EU yet?

Leavers being rude to Remainers include Boris, Gove, IDS and Dorries. Admittedly it was rags like the DT which put the names in, in many cases.

Casino_Royale

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.

It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

Just saying.

That's why I'm voting Leave.

Our future economic prospects are best served by Brexit.

viewcode

Casino_Royale said:

The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.

I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed

BenedictWhite

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.

It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

Just saying.

I know, that is why I am voting patriotically for leave. Just saying. (And I have read the reports)

Even Leavers are saying there is going to be a short term hit in the event of Brexit.

Some are. I'm saying that even if you believe the treasury report it will be bugger all and may actually get inflation to the correct levels that the BoE should be aiming for, so no in that sense if the treasury is right (It frequently isn't) then it will actually fix some structural issues.

Casino_Royale

perdix said:

Casino_Royale said:

Have Remainers worked out that, if they want to win, they need to stop being rude to Leavers, engage with their concerns, and make a positive and patriotic case for Britain's future in the EU yet?

Leavers being rude to Remainers include Boris, Gove, IDS and Dorries. Admittedly it was rags like the DT which put the names in, in many cases.

Ah, "we're not listening".

Suits me.

Keep it up, old chap. Your side are doing sterling euro work.

HYUFD

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Can anyone else think of an occasion when a large developed country collectively stuck two fingers up at its entire political social and commercial elite.

I suppose the 1945 Labour landslide - sort of

Plenty of referendums on the continent

HYUFD

SeanT said:

I was thinking exactly this as I hiked the Ridgeway today, in glorious sun. it is one of the great walks of the world, so much history and beauty and wildlife and so many excellent pubs, lost in the beechwoods of the Chilterns.

And this is a 5000 year old footpath. Anyone with native British ancestry is directly related to the men and women that walked it in the Bronze Age. And does it swerve to avoid the prime minister's estate at Chequers? - does it fuck. It goes straight through, past his front door, as it should, because this is England and he is just another politician.

All along the Ridgeway there are monuments to out differentness and our freedoms and our battles with Europe, from Whiteleaf Cross, carved to commemorate defeat of the Danes in about 900AD, to Wendover, where I drank a fine cold English ale in a pub built when the town's MP was Hampden- one of the MPs whose seizure by Charles First kicked off the Civil War.

We are a distinct and insular people . We don't like being bossed around, least of all by Europeans. This truth is reasserting itself, and will prevail at some point, soon.

Yes I have walked part of that walk, you can go right up to the Chequers drive, although not to the House itself

Casino_Royale

viewcode said:

Casino_Royale said:

The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.

I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed

The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.

I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.

HYUFD

MarkHopkins said:

Oh look, Top Gear has started.

ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Penelope Keith on the Queen's residences on 4, Soccer Aid on 3

TheScreamingEagles

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:

Casino_Royale said:

The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.

I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed

The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.

I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.

Some of remember in 1997 they told their readers to back the most Eurosceptic candidate in their constituency.

So they effectively endorsed Tony Benn and Michael Portillo

Paul_Bedfordshire

not_on_fire said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Can anyone else think of an occasion when a large developed country collectively stuck two fingers up at its entire political social and commercial elite.

I suppose the 1945 Labour landslide - sort of

Donald Trump

I guess Leninspart winning the Mayor of London as an independent was in that ballpark too

GIN1138

55th - Like Boy George in the next Tory Party leadership contest!

HYUFD

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:

Casino_Royale said:

The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.

I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed

The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.

I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.

Murdoch will hedge his bets, the Times will be for Remain and the Sun for Leave (in accordance with the likely voting intentions of their readers). He has done it before, at the general election the English Sun backed the Tories, the Scottish Sun backed the SNP

Casino_Royale

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:

Casino_Royale said:

The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.

I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed

The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.

I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.

Some of remember in 1997 they told their readers to back the most Eurosceptic candidate in their constituency.

So they effectively endorsed Tony Benn and Michael Portillo

Yeah I know, but I think The Times has moved on.

EPG

SeanT said:

And this is a 5000 year old footpath. Anyone with native British ancestry is directly related to the men and women that walked it in the Bronze Age.

Depends on your theory of the ancestry of the current Anglo-Saxon-speaking peoples. I agree, but there is still a prevalent view that the roots of the majority English people in England are much more recent than 5,000 years.

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

GIN1138 said:

55th - Like Boy George in the next Tory Party leadership contest!

Excellent post.

weejonnie

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.

It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

Just saying.

So we can be ruled by lizards, tortured, sent to the gas chambers - as long as the economic prospects are ok?

AnneJGP

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.

It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

Just saying.

There is one approach the Remain side could usefully try.

Many people are discounting the doom & gloom because we've heard it too many times before and it's been proved wrong.

So if Remain would acknowledge this, and explain why the doom & gloom wrong before and why it's right now, they might sway some of us back again.

Casino_Royale

MarkHopkins said:

Oh look, Top Gear has started.

ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Jesus. Just tried a few minutes of that.

*Chris Evans tells a joke*

Audience: *huhhuhhuhhuh...*

Embarrassing.

EPG

Don't laugh immediately, but Britain needs to have more referendums.

Swiss and Irish have referendums all the time about European and other topics, and they don't seem to get as bitter. Maybe people accept that they will often be on the opposite side to friends and colleagues.

Paul_Bedfordshire

weejonnie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.

It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

Just saying.

So we can be ruled by lizards, tortured, sent to the gas chambers - as long as the economic prospects are ok?

Oh dear

TheScreamingEagles

weejonnie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.

It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

Just saying.

So we can be ruled by lizards, tortured, sent to the gas chambers - as long as the economic prospects are ok?

Sounds fair.

Tim_B

Top Gear fans -

set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

RobD

Tim_B said:

I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

Replaced with 60 minutes of test card footage?

PlatoSaid

Tim_B said:

Top Gear fans -

set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

I glanced at Twitter, still not popular. Some big changes needed.

foxinsoxuk

Tim_B said:

Top Gear fans -

set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

Its quite a bit better. Glorious Drakensberg helps.

Casino_Royale

Re: Top Gear: this doesn't even qualify as a tribute act.

It's like a really shite bedroom swede.

Paul_Bedfordshire

Like swapping Terry Scott for Ben Elton in Terry and June and wondering whi it isnt funny.

FrancisUrquhart

Tim_B said:

Top Gear fans -

set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

Twitter seems to think bit better, if you mute your TV whenever shouty mcshouty face is on.

PlatoSaid

Casino_Royale said:

Re: Top Gear: this doesn't even qualify as a tribute act.

It's like a really shite bedroom swede.

Umm, dare I ask?

MarqueeMark

Hmmmm..... The original Independence Day required the use of a suicide bomber to overthrow the oppressors. Bit extreme, even for Brexiteers!

RobD

Casino_Royale said:

Re: Top Gear: this doesn't even qualify as a tribute act.

It's like a really shite bedroom swede.

Turnip, surely?

Tim_B

PlatoSaid said:

Tim_B said:

Top Gear fans -

set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

I glanced at Twitter, still not popular. Some big changes needed.

Matt will be great - he has just the light touch and self-deprecating humor needed. Sabine will be great.

The problem is Evans. He has no persona, no on-screen presence, and doesn't do empathy. Otherwise than he's a gear head I don't understand for the life of me what he's doing fronting Top Gear.

FrancisUrquhart

Tim_B said:

PlatoSaid said:

Tim_B said:

Top Gear fans -

set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

I glanced at Twitter, still not popular. Some big changes needed.

Matt will be great - he has just the light touch and self-deprecating humor needed. Sabine will be great.

The problem is Evans. He has no persona, no on-screen presence, and doesn't do empathy. Otherwise than he's a gear head I don't understand for the life of me what he's doing fronting Top Gear.

Leblanc has a new sitcom in the US starting. If it is a hit I doubt bbc could afford him or he would have time.

Stark_Dawning

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:

Casino_Royale said:

The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.

I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed

The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.

I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.

Some of remember in 1997 they told their readers to back the most Eurosceptic candidate in their constituency.

So they effectively endorsed Tony Benn and Michael Portillo

Yes, that was utterly embarrassing and was really the first step towards the forfeiture of any claim The Times had to be taken seriously. As Nick Palmer pointed out, they beseeched their readership to vote against the Tory, pro-european candidate for Broxtowe without bothering to establish his views on the matter. Clumsy and crass.

Sunil_Prasannan

President Sunil's address to the PB Faithful

Good evening. In less than 18 days, activists from here will join others from around these Islands. And you will be launching the largest electoral battle in the history of mankind.

Mankind - that word should have new meaning for all of us today.

We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore.

We will be united in our common interests.

Perhaps its fate that day is the 23rd of June, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom, not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution - but from EU diktats and red tape.

We're fighting for our right to live, to exist.

And should we win the day, the 23rd of June will no longer be known as a British holiday, but as the day when the world declared in one voice:

"We will not go quietly into the night!
We will not vanish without a fight!
We're going to live on!
We're going to survive!"

That day, we celebrate our Independence Day!

**crowd cheers**

Casino_Royale

PlatoSaid said:

Casino_Royale said:

Re: Top Gear: this doesn't even qualify as a tribute act.

It's like a really shite bedroom swede.

Umm, dare I ask?

Basically, Chris Evans' "Top Gear" is like him trying to be Arnie, and re-do Terminator 2, and yet still failing, with a huge budget, to match the quality of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mTCgIHpQXE

MarqueeMark

Casino_Royale said:

MarkHopkins said:

Oh look, Top Gear has started.

ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Jesus. Just tried a few minutes of that.

*Chris Evans tells a joke*

Audience: *huhhuhhuhhuh...*

Embarrassing.

Apparently there is a dubbed on laughter track, so poor was the audience response....

Tim_B

SeanT said:

Tim_B said:

Top Gear fans -

set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

The Twitter reaction: this is initially rather better, but No, on reflection, still awful

I think the BBC has just realised that millions of people aren't THAT interested in cars - viewers just found Clarkson, May and Hammond surprisingly funny and endearing, even if they were also annoying.

What a dreadful fuck up. Its ever more noticeable that the man responsible for sacking Clarkson - Danny Cohen - has already departed the Corporation.

I've said on here several times that the appeal of Top Gear was 3 middle aged blokes and their relationship - the rest was secondary. It is NOT a vehicle for vehicles.

Cohen, Cohen, Gone? (sorry)

Paul_Bedfordshire

AnneJGP said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.

It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

Just saying.

There is one approach the Remain side could usefully try.

Many people are discounting the doom & gloom because we've heard it too many times before and it's been proved wrong.

So if Remain would acknowledge this, and explain why the doom & gloom wrong before and why it's right now, they might sway some of us back again.

If you want to try doom and gloom it has to be credible. Remains isnt. The fact that they are willing to scare voters into voting for remain with the threat of higher mobile roaming charges on holiday brings contempt on them.

MarqueeMark

SeanT said:

Tim_B said:

Top Gear fans -

set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

The Twitter reaction: this is initially rather better, but No, on reflection, still awful

I think the BBC has just realised that millions of people aren't THAT interested in cars - viewers just found Clarkson, May and Hammond surprisingly funny and endearing, even if they were also annoying.

What a dreadful fuck up. Its ever more noticeable that the man responsible for sacking Clarkson - Danny Cohen - has already departed the Corporation.

He only cost the Corporation a few hundred millions a year in international sales. No biggie...

Stark_Dawning

SeanT said:

Tim_B said:

Top Gear fans -

set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

The Twitter reaction: this is initially rather better, but No, on reflection, still awful

I think the BBC has just realised that millions of people aren't THAT interested in cars - viewers just found Clarkson, May and Hammond surprisingly funny and endearing, even if they were also annoying.

What a dreadful fuck up. Its ever more noticeable that the man responsible for sacking Clarkson - Danny Cohen - has already departed the Corporation.

What happened to the bloke whose head Clarkson pulped? Is he still there?

FrancisUrquhart

MarqueeMark said:

Casino_Royale said:

MarkHopkins said:

Oh look, Top Gear has started.

ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Jesus. Just tried a few minutes of that.

*Chris Evans tells a joke*

Audience: *huhhuhhuhhuh...*

Embarrassing.

Apparently there is a dubbed on laughter track, so poor was the audience response....

Given how annoying he is just for a few minutes, imagine having to stand their all day & have to listen to him shouting over and over for hours on end.

TheScreamingEagles

Thatcher making the exact same argument as Dave. The EC stops another world war.

Toms

The myriad of ordinary footpaths connecting ordinary places for ordinary people is an ill-appreciated wonder of this country. The Icknield/Ridge Way is a glory amongst them. It traverses what were ancient tribal areas whose inhabitants strove and fought. Am I wrong to think that it's ironic that the Way can now represent a unified culture best kept separate from its European neighbours?

TheScreamingEagles

I shall be publishing a EURef poll at one minute past midnight.

Sunil_Prasannan

TheScreamingEagles said:

Thatcher making the exact same argument as Dave. The EC stops another world war.

"I could NEVER have signed this treaty!" Maggie in 1993, speaking about Maastricht in the HoL.

RobD

TheScreamingEagles said:

I shall be publishing an EURef poll at one minute past midnight.

No premature posting for us today?

SandyRentool

TheScreamingEagles said:

I shall be publishing an EURef poll at one minute past midnight.

Is that the one with Leave ahead mentioned earlier?

RobD

Tim_B said:

SeanT said:

Tim_B said:

Top Gear fans -

set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

The Twitter reaction: this is initially rather better, but No, on reflection, still awful

I think the BBC has just realised that millions of people aren't THAT interested in cars - viewers just found Clarkson, May and Hammond surprisingly funny and endearing, even if they were also annoying.

What a dreadful fuck up. Its ever more noticeable that the man responsible for sacking Clarkson - Danny Cohen - has already departed the Corporation.

I've said on here several times that the appeal of Top Gear was 3 middle aged blokes and their relationship - the rest was secondary. It is NOT a vehicle for vehicles.

Cohen, Cohen, Gone? (sorry)

Agreed, the cars almost became a side show.

Sunil_Prasannan

SeanT said:

Tim_B said:

PlatoSaid said:

Tim_B said:

Top Gear fans -

set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

I glanced at Twitter, still not popular. Some big changes needed.

Matt will be great - he has just the light touch and self-deprecating humor needed. Sabine will be great.

The problem is Evans. He has no persona, no on-screen presence, and doesn't do empathy. Otherwise than he's a gear head I don't understand for the life of me what he's doing fronting Top Gear.

Also and more importantly: Evans is NOT FUNNY. He's not ever been funny. He knows he's not funny. He has a manic charisma (I guess) but it's all about energy and stuff, and it's got nothing to do with being funny.

Clarkson is a comic genius. This was absolutely key to the last show being so successful. He's a brilliant clown. A natural posh upper middle class ageing English clown. Even if you hated him, you had to admit he could be funny.

People watched Top Gear, in their millions, to be amused. They won't watch a merely competent car show in anything like the same numbers.

"The brand new Top Gear is like doing a jigsaw: a pointless way to pass the time until you die!"

chestnut

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

AnneJGP said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Good egg award for TSE for giving the other perspective a view - however tongue in cheek

He's right though, a bit of patriotism could swing a few votes.

It's not patriotic to ruin the economic prospects of your fellow countrymen and women for ideology.

Just saying.

There is one approach the Remain side could usefully try.

Many people are discounting the doom & gloom because we've heard it too many times before and it's been proved wrong.

So if Remain would acknowledge this, and explain why the doom & gloom wrong before and why it's right now, they might sway some of us back again.

If you want to try doom and gloom it has to be credible. Remains isnt. The fact that they are willing to scare voters into voting for remain with the threat of higher mobile roaming charges on holiday brings contempt on them.

The big problem they have with all the economic doom scenarios is that there is a flip side to every one.

There are many UK business sectors or people who will benefit from a falling currency, new tariffs, rising interest rates.

And their 'experts' need to be bullet proof, not a list of serial failures with a charge sheet of wrong calls longer than Steve McLaren.

BenedictWhite

TheScreamingEagles said:

Thatcher making the exact same argument as Dave. The EC stops another world war.

The problem is that in my assessment it doesn't.

HYUFD

SeanT said:

HYUFD said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:

Casino_Royale said:

The print media will finally pick sides: Telegraph, Sun, Mail and Express vs. FT, Times, Evening Standard, Guardian and Independent.

I'm still not sure about the Times: could go either way. Otherwise agreed

The Times is a mainstream centre/centre-right establishment newspaper read by ABs.

I'm 80% sure it'll come out for Remain (albeit reluctantly) - there's a chance it might fence sit, but I don't think that's the sort of newspaper The Times is.

Murdoch will hedge his bets, the Times will be for Remain and the Sun for Leave. He has done it before, at the general election the English Sun backed the Tories, the Scottish Sun backed the SNP

I've got a bet on this with Rob Smithson.

He thinks a majority of the Sun, Sun on Sunday, Times and Sunday Times will go REMAIN, I've wagered the opposite (IIRC, we might also have bet on the Mail and Mail on Sunday)

I now reckon it will be a dead rubber. 50/50

Sun will go LEAVE, as will the Times

Their Sunday sisters will go REMAIN

Interesting but why split the Sundays and the dailies when their readership have largely the same voting patterns? There is a much sharper divide between Times and Sun readers, according to Yougov 62% of Times readers back Remain and 38% Leave but with Sun readers the figures are reversed with 71% backing Leave and just 29% Remain
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/21/eu-referendum-who-in-britain-wants-to-leave-and-who-wants-to-rem/

peter_from_putney

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

Did you write this thread just to put an Independence Day trailer in the header, TSE? Tut, tut!

This was more an attempt to bring some levity back to PB.

Some PBers, Leavers and Remainers, are becoming a bit grumpy.

You and I both know what subject would bring gaiety to PB......

The return of JackW?

Tim_B

FrancisUrquhart said:

Tim_B said:

PlatoSaid said:

Tim_B said:

Top Gear fans -

set my expectations for tomorrow night - is the second episode better, the same, or worse than the first one?

I know there are changes coming along for episode 3 as a result of 'feedback', but they had already shot ep. 2

I glanced at Twitter, still not popular. Some big changes needed.

Matt will be great - he has just the light touch and self-deprecating humor needed. Sabine will be great.

The problem is Evans. He has no persona, no on-screen presence, and doesn't do empathy. Otherwise than he's a gear head I don't understand for the life of me what he's doing fronting Top Gear.

Leblanc has a new sitcom in the US starting. If it is a hit I doubt bbc could afford him or he would have time.

His new sitcom "I'm Not Your Friend" (on CBS I think) would have a 13 episode season, so he has plenty of time for Top Gear. He has apparently already been offered a huge increase to return for Top Gear's next season.

Remember, he is known world wide, but nobody outside the UK has ever heard of Chris Evans.