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The explanation. Yes, he is quite dedicated to his craft, this whole hour long program about gambling represented several months of his life. See the live stage show if you ever get the chance.DavidL said:
Wow. That's patience.FrancisUrquhart said:
9hrs worth...DavidL said:
How many takes did he do?Sandpit said:Catching up on three threads of Monty Hall puzzles and coin toss games reminds me of this:
A gambler relys on information. The video is completely genuine, despite Mr Brown's reputation for trickery, but think about what you don't know to work out how he did it.
https://youtu.be/XzYLHOX50Bc
https://youtu.be/n1SJ-Tn3bcQ
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Accepting what you say, I would opine that questioning need to see in the context of violence predisposes one (me anyway) to believe that offence has been given. How would you define what we NEED to see?FrancisUrquhart said:
I didn't say anything about being offended. I just queried if we NEED to see this. It was a general musing type question, not outrage.ReggieCide said:
You don't need to watch and it seems perfectly clear what you are about to watch if you press the titty. I wonder how many others are offended. I'm not even though you've enabled me to see something that offends you so that it might offend me.FrancisUrquhart said:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/01/leytonstone-tube-station-attack-victim-says-he-is-lucky-to-be-al/
Do we really need to see this?
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The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
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And Spain and Portugal and Italy and Greece would scream blue murder at the potential decimation of their tourist industry - would never happen.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
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No. If they imposed visas for short trips many businesses in France, Spain and Greece will have serious trouble.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
They are talking about the right to move to settle and/or work.0 -
I saw his latest show and I have to say I was a bit disappointed. Quite a bit of it was rehashes of well known industry wide tricks e.g Spike. But I was told by somebody in the know that he now signed up to a new show every year / 18 months and things have become rushed to meet the big pay days. Which is all a bit of a shame and detracts from some of the really good stuff he has done.Sandpit said:
The explanation. Yes, he is quite dedicated to his craft, this whole hour long program about gambling represented several months of his life. See the live stage show if you ever get the chance.DavidL said:
Wow. That's patience.FrancisUrquhart said:
9hrs worth...DavidL said:
How many takes did he do?Sandpit said:Catching up on three threads of Monty Hall puzzles and coin toss games reminds me of this:
A gambler relys on information. The video is completely genuine, despite Mr Brown's reputation for trickery, but think about what you don't know to work out how he did it.
https://youtu.be/XzYLHOX50Bc
https://youtu.be/n1SJ-Tn3bcQ
The best video I have seen of his, is not the public for consumption stuff, but rather the video he made many years ago for the trade.0 -
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.0 -
Spain and the Dutch are already threatening restrictions and if others follow it will happen.weejonnie said:
And Spain and Portugal and Italy and Greece would scream blue murder at the potential decimation of their tourist industry - would never happen.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
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That's never going to happen. There's already free movement of British citizens almost anywhere for the purposes of leisure and business (as opposed to taking a job abroad). Engineers from Airbus in Bristol are still going to go to Toulouse for the day for meetings, why would France want to block that?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
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Not quite taken that many liberties considering it is the French court of the 17th century. So far it is basically 'The Tudors' transported to France!FrancisUrquhart said:
Not watching, sounds like plenty of tits, but are there any dragons? ;-)HYUFD said:
10 minutes in and you have had your two scenes!Scott_P said:
@camillalong: 90 seconds into Versailles and still no gay sex or naked tittays. FlopHYUFD said:French historical bonkbuster, Versailles, about to start now on BBC2
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Indeed. You have to wonder if certain posters have ever ventured outside of the EU.weejonnie said:
And Spain and Portugal and Italy and Greece would scream blue murder at the potential decimation of their tourist industry - would never happen.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
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Who's going to stop them - once they are in Schengen they can go where they like. After all - Somalis, Syrians, L:ibyans and old uncle tom cobbley and all can.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Leave will just dismiss it as project fear but if this gets headlines and more EU Countries endorse Spain and the Dutch's position in the coming days it could have an influenceScott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
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Presumably our relationship with the EU would become much like our relationship with the US as regards travel. Holidays and business trips, no problem, but much more difficult to permanently move there.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
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Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
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Again - with Southern Europe largely dependent on the UK spending dosh on holidays, I am pretty sure there won't be many if any restrictions.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Presumably our relationship with the EU would become much like our relationship with the US as regards travel. Holidays and business trips, no problem, but much more difficult to permanently move there.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
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To holiday travel? They're not stupid. No one is talking about stopping holiday travel, or indeed business trips.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Spain and the Dutch are already threatening restrictions and if others follow it will happen.weejonnie said:
And Spain and Portugal and Italy and Greece would scream blue murder at the potential decimation of their tourist industry - would never happen.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
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Monsieur certainly played for both sides. He had 11 children, as well as numerous boyfriends, and would turn up on the battlefield beribboned and made up - but he fought like a lion.HYUFD said:
10 minutes in and you have had your two scenes!Scott_P said:
@camillalong: 90 seconds into Versailles and still no gay sex or naked tittays. FlopHYUFD said:French historical bonkbuster, Versailles, about to start now on BBC2
I imagine that the show makes everyone look much cleaner, and more attractive, than was actually the case.0 -
Eurocamps and Eurodisney have just issued a press release
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You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.0 -
Even the fascists were happy for Brits to holiday in Spain before we joined the Common Market. More Remain BS.weejonnie said:
Again - with Southern Europe largely dependent on the UK spending dosh on holidays, I am pretty sure there won't be many if any restrictions.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Presumably our relationship with the EU would become much like our relationship with the US as regards travel. Holidays and business trips, no problem, but much more difficult to permanently move there.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
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Not going to happen. Not for short stay. Benidorm or Mykonos probably appreciate us deep down. Working, and settling maybe, depends what would be negotiated. If we negotiated the right to work here if you have a job of a certain level to come to or you have independent means to an agreed level for example not much would change for the vast majority of Brits.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
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I saw him in London in I think 2012, was very good but I worked out the finale when I saw it (it was somewhat assisted by the interval). I have seen snippets of the 'trade' video to which you refer, and his early work was quite brilliant, although some of the recent C4 stuff was clearly just for the ratings/money - lottery numbers, really..?FrancisUrquhart said:
I saw his latest show and I have to say I was a bit disappointed. Quite a bit of it was rehashes of well known industry wide tricks e.g Spike. But I was told by somebody in the know that he now signed up to a new show every year / 18 months and things have become rushed to meet the big pay days. Which is all a bit of a shame and detracts from some of the really good stuff he has done.Sandpit said:
The explanation. Yes, he is quite dedicated to his craft, this whole hour long program about gambling represented several months of his life. See the live stage show if you ever get the chance.DavidL said:
Wow. That's patience.FrancisUrquhart said:
9hrs worth...DavidL said:
How many takes did he do?Sandpit said:Catching up on three threads of Monty Hall puzzles and coin toss games reminds me of this:
A gambler relys on information. The video is completely genuine, despite Mr Brown's reputation for trickery, but think about what you don't know to work out how he did it.
https://youtu.be/XzYLHOX50Bc
https://youtu.be/n1SJ-Tn3bcQ
The best video I have seen of his, is not the public for consumption stuff, but rather the video he made many years ago for the trade.0 -
Yes, as I said, I wouldn't expect holidays to be a problem (apart from a little more hassle with insurance due the the lack of an E111). This isn't what is meant by "freedom of movement" though. FoM implies the right to settle, i.e. live, work, study, retire, etc., not just take short trips for business or leisure. That's what's in doubt.weejonnie said:
Again - with Southern Europe largely dependent on the UK spending dosh on holidays, I am pretty sure there won't be many if any restrictions.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Presumably our relationship with the EU would become much like our relationship with the US as regards travel. Holidays and business trips, no problem, but much more difficult to permanently move there.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
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Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
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Revenge of the 1995/96 LSE General Secretary of the Student Union!FrancisUrquhart said:
I have seen them use him in social media adverts as well.TCPoliticalBetting said:REMAIN are using Martin Lewis on the leaflet that is being posted to every postal voter. This is after he objected.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3601228/Consumer-champion-Martin-Lewis-attacks-pro-EU-campaign-featured-quote-picture-leaflet-without-permission.html0 -
Priti Patel rocking a sub-Bullingdon look today with Boris.0
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Oh dear
@StigAbell: Signatories to open letter include Arsene Wenger, Julie Delpy, Isabella Rossellini. https://t.co/EbE6b5fZ5O https://t.co/bTL0E9T1tv0 -
Listen mate, you're clearly a decent bloke but you spout utter bollocks. You regurgitate things you've heard without giving them a moment's thought. Read the posts around this and then consider the implications of restricting "leisure movement".Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
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they would miss the pensioners too - don't they already have a glut of housing?SeanT said:
The Spanish economy would collapse without British tourists. What twaddle this is.ReggieCide said:
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
Fuck Europe. Fuck Remain.
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Still on the fence then?SeanT said:
The Spanish economy would collapse without British tourists. What twaddle this is.ReggieCide said:
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
Fuck Europe. Fuck Remain.
LEAVE
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Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.BenedictWhite said:
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
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Sky now reporting both Spain and the Dutch are saying that there will be consequences if UK restricts movement - this is just so obviousBenedictWhite said:
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
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Exactly the point I was making last night, albeit with less brevity!welshowl said:
Quite and one of the deep problems of the Euro. It's all well and good having the right to work in Italy, and you might be a highly qualified lawyer, accountant actor or whatever but if you can't speak Italian that right is severely limited in practice. There isn't the real free movement of labour as between Sussex and Dundee, Chicago and Alabama or Stuttgart and Leipzig.Cookie said:
But a pretty impractical one. Most of us don't have the language skills to exercise such a right. It would be far more useful for far more people to have the right to live and work in Australia, Canada, and New Zealand - and I think we would be fairly happy for those rights to be reciprocal. The right to go and work in France or Italy or Romania isn't really much use to many beyond a small minority. I don't want to dismiss this out of hand, but I don't think many people can get too excited by it.williamglenn said:
Stop thinking of the EU as 'other countries'. It is a federation whose citizens, including Brits, should consider such privileges as a birthright.Sean_F said:
Many British nationals seem to have little difficulty living and working in First World countries outside the EU. But of course, they have no unqualified right to live and work there. They are subject to immigration controls and that is right.williamglenn said:
Travel isn't the issue. It's the right to work and live that's the concern. Try moving to the US to work without expensive lawyers like Fragomen. It would be a disaster if we had to experience anything similar to take a job in France.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Surely the answer to that is Do you need a visa to Travel to Iceland, Switzerland or Canada, No. So highly unlikely.nunu said:Decided against canvassing for Leave.
Was afraid of this scenario:
Voter: Will I need a visa to travel to Europe
Me: We just don't know.
I certainly see no reason why I should have an unqualified right to live and work in other countries and vice versa.
There isn't a European "polis" despite decades of trying to will one into existence by creating Euro parliaments, passports, currencies, or regional development funds.0 -
The problem is that the EU elites would collapse the very zombie economies that they need to keep limping on. If they do that, then they could start a process of unravelling.Stark_Dawning said:
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.BenedictWhite said:
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
OK.
That said, they are stupid so who knows?0 -
Forget about the EHIC (E111 is Sooo 1990s - it ended in 2005) And many insurers rate countries outside the EU but in Europe exactly the same as those in the EU. (Trust me on this - I am a travel insurance broker).FeersumEnjineeya said:
Yes, as I said, I wouldn't expect holidays to be a problem (apart from a little more hassle with insurance due the the lack of an E111). This isn't what is meant by "freedom of movement" though. FoM implies the right to settle, i.e. live, work, study, retire, etc., not just take short trips for business or leisure. That's what's in doubt.weejonnie said:
Again - with Southern Europe largely dependent on the UK spending dosh on holidays, I am pretty sure there won't be many if any restrictions.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Presumably our relationship with the EU would become much like our relationship with the US as regards travel. Holidays and business trips, no problem, but much more difficult to permanently move there.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
(Anyone trusting in the EHIC is naïve at best, stupid at worst)
Oh - and there ARE countries not in the EU but who are members of the Erasmus scheme.0 -
Fuck them indeed.SeanT said:
The Spanish economy would collapse without British tourists. What twaddle this is.ReggieCide said:
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
Fuck Europe. Fuck Remain.
LEAVE
But all of this for what?
What is it that gets your goat so much about our membership of the EU?0 -
In which case screw 'em. I'm not being bought or blackmailed.Stark_Dawning said:
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.BenedictWhite said:
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
OK.
I for one don't actually view the EU as malevolent, just wrong headed, and impractical in its idealism ( the woes of the euro are I am sure cock up not conspiracy). But threats will just harden my attitude.0 -
True, perhaps, but they had shut the border with Gibraltar.SandyRentool said:
Even the fascists were happy for Brits to holiday in Spain before we joined the Common Market. More Remain BS.weejonnie said:
Again - with Southern Europe largely dependent on the UK spending dosh on holidays, I am pretty sure there won't be many if any restrictions.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Presumably our relationship with the EU would become much like our relationship with the US as regards travel. Holidays and business trips, no problem, but much more difficult to permanently move there.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I fully expect Gibraltar to strongly vote for Remain.0 -
At the risk of looking silly, who is Julie Delpy?SeanT said:
OMGScott_P said:Oh dear
@StigAbell: Signatories to open letter include Arsene Wenger, Julie Delpy, Isabella Rossellini. https://t.co/EbE6b5fZ5O https://t.co/bTL0E9T1tv
Julie Delpy????
The referendum is won. Let's call it a night. Just get everything in crates. REMAIN has won. JULIE DELPY has SPOKEN0 -
On topic, I don't follow the campaigns closely on social media, but it would appear to me, based on a brief look at numbers and engagement, that Leave are 'winning' the social media battle. But so did 'Yes', and it didn't do them any good.0
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I was going to ask the same questionblackburn63 said:
At the risk of looking silly, who is Julie Delpy?SeanT said:
OMGScott_P said:Oh dear
@StigAbell: Signatories to open letter include Arsene Wenger, Julie Delpy, Isabella Rossellini. https://t.co/EbE6b5fZ5O https://t.co/bTL0E9T1tv
Julie Delpy????
The referendum is won. Let's call it a night. Just get everything in crates. REMAIN has won. JULIE DELPY has SPOKEN0 -
Which is extraordinary. Windsor Castle had some privies in the 1360s. Henry VIII built the Great House of Easement at Hampton Court in the 1530's. Even worse, Versailles was full of pets that weren't house-trained. Madame de Maintenon even kept pet mice that roamed at will.SeanT said:
Famously Versailles was built, originally, without toilets.Sean_F said:
Monsieur certainly played for both sides. He had 11 children, as well as numerous boyfriends, and would turn up on the battlefield beribboned and made up - but he fought like a lion.HYUFD said:
10 minutes in and you have had your two scenes!Scott_P said:
@camillalong: 90 seconds into Versailles and still no gay sex or naked tittays. FlopHYUFD said:French historical bonkbuster, Versailles, about to start now on BBC2
I imagine that the show makes everyone look much cleaner, and more attractive, than was actually the case.
So you'd have all these fabulously rich, coiffured, periwigged French counts and countesses urgently taking a crap or a pee in any old corner, right behind the Flemish tapestries.0 -
I think my experience was slightly negatively affected by moronic audience members when asked simple things like name a famous person and date, managed to come up with my mate Bob at 3.15pm.Sandpit said:
I saw him in London in I think 2012, was very good but I worked out the finale when I saw it (it was somewhat assisted by the interval). I have seen snippets of the 'trade' video to which you refer, and his early work was quite brilliant, although some of the recent C4 stuff was clearly just for the ratings/money - lottery numbers, really..?FrancisUrquhart said:
I saw his latest show and I have to say I was a bit disappointed. Quite a bit of it was rehashes of well known industry wide tricks e.g Spike. But I was told by somebody in the know that he now signed up to a new show every year / 18 months and things have become rushed to meet the big pay days. Which is all a bit of a shame and detracts from some of the really good stuff he has done.Sandpit said:
The explanation. Yes, he is quite dedicated to his craft, this whole hour long program about gambling represented several months of his life. See the live stage show if you ever get the chance.DavidL said:
Wow. That's patience.FrancisUrquhart said:
9hrs worth...DavidL said:
How many takes did he do?Sandpit said:Catching up on three threads of Monty Hall puzzles and coin toss games reminds me of this:
A gambler relys on information. The video is completely genuine, despite Mr Brown's reputation for trickery, but think about what you don't know to work out how he did it.
https://youtu.be/XzYLHOX50Bc
https://youtu.be/n1SJ-Tn3bcQ
The best video I have seen of his, is not the public for consumption stuff, but rather the video he made many years ago for the trade.0 -
blackburn63 said:
At the risk of looking silly, who is Julie Delpy?SeanT said:
OMGScott_P said:Oh dear
@StigAbell: Signatories to open letter include Arsene Wenger, Julie Delpy, Isabella Rossellini. https://t.co/EbE6b5fZ5O https://t.co/bTL0E9T1tv
Julie Delpy????
The referendum is won. Let's call it a night. Just get everything in crates. REMAIN has won. JULIE DELPY has SPOKEN
Exactly.
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and Houllier and Lebouef and Karl Heinz-Riedle and one of my favourite pianists Alfred Brendel.Scott_P said:Oh dear
@StigAbell: Signatories to open letter include Arsene Wenger, Julie Delpy, Isabella Rossellini. https://t.co/EbE6b5fZ5O https://t.co/bTL0E9T1tv
I'd love to give them all a 10 minute lecture on the case for vote leave whilst stressing how pro-European I am. There is no contradiction between being pro-European anti EU and in the leave camp. We just want what's best for Europe.....and the world as a whole.0 -
Excellent, so you are back in the Remain camp.hunchman said:
and Houllier and Lebouef and Karl Heinz-Riedle and one of my favourite pianists Alfred Brendel.Scott_P said:Oh dear
@StigAbell: Signatories to open letter include Arsene Wenger, Julie Delpy, Isabella Rossellini. https://t.co/EbE6b5fZ5O https://t.co/bTL0E9T1tv
I'd love to give them all a 10 minute lecture on the case for vote leave whilst stressing how pro-European I am. There is no contradiction between being pro-European anti EU and in the leave camp. We just want what's best for Europe.....and the world as a whole.
Well done you.0 -
25% of all foreign tourists to Spain come from the UK. They will not do anything to harm an industry worth 11% of their GDP.Stark_Dawning said:
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.BenedictWhite said:
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
OK.0 -
The European Union has issued a formal warning to Poland for threatening the rule of law - one of the founding principles of the EU.
Critics of the right-wing Polish government have been angry at changes it has made to the country's top court, leaving it, they say, in effect unable to review and veto legislation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-364293250 -
Holiday would be fine, retire may well be a different story.ReggieCide said:
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
It may have to be the Isle of Wight after all....0 -
Do you want to be part of a gang that threatens you if you want to leave it?Stark_Dawning said:
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.BenedictWhite said:
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
OK.0 -
Talking of Derren Brown, surprised to see him in the banner for the French bonkbuster on tomorrow's TelegraphMP_SE said:
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Fatuous question:
Do Spurs fans vote Remain to keep Wenger at Arsenal, or vote Leave to get him removed?0 -
We've all seen how rule by fear works out throughout the ages. You have to go with the grain of the PEOPLE. Nothing, but nothing held together by force, edict and dictat holds together in the long term. The EU and its ignorance of the lessons of history really is quite staggering.Stark_Dawning said:
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.BenedictWhite said:
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
OK.0 -
Imagine the collapse in property prices in Spain - it would be calamitous - and so unlikely..foxinsoxuk said:
Holiday would be fine, retire may well be a different story.ReggieCide said:
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
It may have to be the Isle of Wight after all....0 -
You'd have thought that other EU states would have realised by now that the British don't like being bullied.
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
If we vote Leave the EU should accept this gracefully not behave like a wronged girlfriend hiding prawns in her ex's curtain rods.0 -
Googled her. Was in some "American Werewolf" movie. Think I need say little else.blackburn63 said:
At the risk of looking silly, who is Julie Delpy?SeanT said:
OMGScott_P said:Oh dear
@StigAbell: Signatories to open letter include Arsene Wenger, Julie Delpy, Isabella Rossellini. https://t.co/EbE6b5fZ5O https://t.co/bTL0E9T1tv
Julie Delpy????
The referendum is won. Let's call it a night. Just get everything in crates. REMAIN has won. JULIE DELPY has SPOKEN0 -
Probably the leads but the supporting cast are largely character actors, it was certainly a time of free love, the Restoration court of Charles II was not much differentSean_F said:
Monsieur certainly played for both sides. He had 11 children, as well as numerous boyfriends, and would turn up on the battlefield beribboned and made up - but he fought like a lion.HYUFD said:
10 minutes in and you have had your two scenes!Scott_P said:
@camillalong: 90 seconds into Versailles and still no gay sex or naked tittays. FlopHYUFD said:French historical bonkbuster, Versailles, about to start now on BBC2
I imagine that the show makes everyone look much cleaner, and more attractive, than was actually the case.0 -
Just annex Gibraltar - it is Spain's PM who is threatening consequencesMP_SE said:
25% of all foreign tourists to Spain come from the UK. They will not do anything to harm an industry worth 11% of their GDP.Stark_Dawning said:
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.BenedictWhite said:
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
OK.0 -
Why on earth do you think they are allowing us to have this referendum?hunchman said:
We've all seen how rule by fear works out throughout the ages. You have to go with the grain of the PEOPLE. Nothing, but nothing held together by force, edict and dictat holds together in the long term. The EU and its ignorance of the lessons of history really is quite staggering.Stark_Dawning said:
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.BenedictWhite said:
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
OK.
Why do you think they would allow us to have a referendum on EU membership every week for the next 20 years?
A failure in exercise of superstate power, surely?0 -
As long as they did not do it on the tapestries!SeanT said:
Famously Versailles was built, originally, without toilets.Sean_F said:
Monsieur certainly played for both sides. He had 11 children, as well as numerous boyfriends, and would turn up on the battlefield beribboned and made up - but he fought like a lion.HYUFD said:
10 minutes in and you have had your two scenes!Scott_P said:
@camillalong: 90 seconds into Versailles and still no gay sex or naked tittays. FlopHYUFD said:French historical bonkbuster, Versailles, about to start now on BBC2
I imagine that the show makes everyone look much cleaner, and more attractive, than was actually the case.
So you'd have all these fabulously rich, coiffured, periwigged French counts and countesses urgently taking a crap or a pee in any old corner, right behind the Flemish tapestries.0 -
Yes, those Spanish won't want you taking your pension over there and spending it all year round. 10 days in August should be ok, if you ask nicely.foxinsoxuk said:
Holiday would be fine, retire may well be a different story.ReggieCide said:
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
It may have to be the Isle of Wight after all....0 -
Sorry, I meant EHIC of course - mind just slipped a decade.weejonnie said:
Forget about the EHIC (E111 is Sooo 1990s - it ended in 2005) And many insurers rate countries outside the EU but in Europe exactly the same as those in the EU. (Trust me on this - I am a travel insurance broker).FeersumEnjineeya said:
Yes, as I said, I wouldn't expect holidays to be a problem (apart from a little more hassle with insurance due the the lack of an E111). This isn't what is meant by "freedom of movement" though. FoM implies the right to settle, i.e. live, work, study, retire, etc., not just take short trips for business or leisure. That's what's in doubt.weejonnie said:
Again - with Southern Europe largely dependent on the UK spending dosh on holidays, I am pretty sure there won't be many if any restrictions.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Presumably our relationship with the EU would become much like our relationship with the US as regards travel. Holidays and business trips, no problem, but much more difficult to permanently move there.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
(Anyone trusting in the EHIC is naïve at best, stupid at worst)
Oh - and there ARE countries not in the EU but who are members of the Erasmus scheme.
Why is it wrong to trust the EHIC? Personally, I've always regarded travel insurance as a complete waste of money - virtually a scam - when travelling to the EU and have never bought any. Mind you, I suppose there may be certain circumstances in which it might be worthwhile buying.0 -
As a Spurs supporter. I'm voting LEAVE regardless of what Wenger does. Some things really are more important.VapidBilge said:Fatuous question:
Do Spurs fans vote Remain to keep Wenger at Arsenal, or vote Leave to get him removed?0 -
Can't see any threats myself - just no longer doing us any favours.Sean_F said:
Do you want to be part of a gang that threatens you if you want to leave it?Stark_Dawning said:
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.BenedictWhite said:
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
OK.0 -
Now Professor Kate Williams and Historical Consultant Greg Jenner doing a post drama analysis before Newsnight!0
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Can Spain afford to be picky? Can the Isle of Wight stay afloat?foxinsoxuk said:
Holiday would be fine, retire may well be a different story.ReggieCide said:
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
It may have to be the Isle of Wight after all....0 -
That democracy's a bummer, eh?PlatoSaid said:The European Union has issued a formal warning to Poland for threatening the rule of law - one of the founding principles of the EU.
Critics of the right-wing Polish government have been angry at changes it has made to the country's top court, leaving it, they say, in effect unable to review and veto legislation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-364293250 -
More threats from foreign leaders and Dave stands by and smiles,British people don't like threats.
This is only heading one way if we remain - Superstate.0 -
I really don't think it's that dramatic.Cyclefree said:You'd have thought that other EU states would have realised by now that the British don't like being bullied.
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
If we vote Leave the EU should accept this gracefully not behave like a wronged girlfriend hiding prawns in her ex's curtain rods.
The EU has enabled trade and movement amongst its member states. It tries to normalise things that probably shouldn't be normalised, but really, it is not the huge superstate conspiracy that so many on here fear.
If we leave there will be huge disruption, which is not to say we couldn't negotiate all the things we will need to negotiate.
But aside from immigration, and the ability to reduce VAT on home energy bills, something which no political party has advocated doing for the past 25 years, I can't see why people get so het up about leaving.0 -
Alan Shearer doing a programme on Euro '96 after the Beeb News!Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
As a Spurs supporter. I'm voting LEAVE regardless of what Wenger does. Some things really are more important.VapidBilge said:Fatuous question:
Do Spurs fans vote Remain to keep Wenger at Arsenal, or vote Leave to get him removed?0 -
Is the EU a gang or a club or a shitehouse?Sean_F said:
Do you want to be part of a gang that threatens you if you want to leave it?Stark_Dawning said:
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.BenedictWhite said:
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
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You would be eager to see Britain punished if we had the nerve to vote for Brexit.Stark_Dawning said:
Can't see any threats myself - just no longer doing us any favours.Sean_F said:
Do you want to be part of a gang that threatens you if you want to leave it?Stark_Dawning said:
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.BenedictWhite said:
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
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Is this what Remain have come to? Vote IN because a woman in a B movie says so, vote OUT and never see Benidorm again.
Where's Nabavi prattling on about EEA and EFTA when you need him.0 -
Cuck CameronTykejohnno said:More threats from foreign leaders and Dave stands by and smiles,British people don't like threats.
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We Brits respond so well to threats... Another own goal from project fear.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sky now reporting both Spain and the Dutch are saying that there will be consequences if UK restricts movement - this is just so obviousBenedictWhite said:
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europenunu said:
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
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Why should they accept Brexit gratefully - their free movement is under threat and expect them to be ruthlessCyclefree said:You'd have thought that other EU states would have realised by now that the British don't like being bullied.
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
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Gove 30%, Boris 22%, May 16%, Fox 11%, Osborne 8%, Patel 6%, Javid 4%, Morgan 2%, Hunt 2%
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A French actress.blackburn63 said:
At the risk of looking silly, who is Julie Delpy?SeanT said:
OMGScott_P said:Oh dear
@StigAbell: Signatories to open letter include Arsene Wenger, Julie Delpy, Isabella Rossellini. https://t.co/EbE6b5fZ5O https://t.co/bTL0E9T1tv
Julie Delpy????
The referendum is won. Let's call it a night. Just get everything in crates. REMAIN has won. JULIE DELPY has SPOKEN
I remember her from Three Colours:White, Before Sunrise and Before Sunset.
And an awful movie with Chris Rock.
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I think there'll be an absolute Götterdämmerung of threats over the next three weeks.Cyclefree said:You'd have thought that other EU states would have realised by now that the British don't like being bullied.
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
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Beautiful in Before Sunrise.blackburn63 said:
At the risk of looking silly, who is Julie Delpy?SeanT said:
OMGScott_P said:Oh dear
@StigAbell: Signatories to open letter include Arsene Wenger, Julie Delpy, Isabella Rossellini. https://t.co/EbE6b5fZ5O https://t.co/bTL0E9T1tv
Julie Delpy????
The referendum is won. Let's call it a night. Just get everything in crates. REMAIN has won. JULIE DELPY has SPOKEN
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TOPPING said:
I really don't think it's that dramatic.Cyclefree said:You'd have thought that other EU states would have realised by now that the British don't like being bullied.
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
If we vote Leave the EU should accept this gracefully not behave like a wronged girlfriend hiding prawns in her ex's curtain rods.
The EU has enabled trade and movement amongst its member states. It tries to normalise things that probably shouldn't be normalised, but really, it is not the huge superstate conspiracy that so many on here fear.
If we leave there will be huge disruption, which is not to say we couldn't negotiate all the things we will need to negotiate.
But aside from immigration, and the ability to reduce VAT on home energy bills, something which no political party has advocated doing for the past 25 years, I can't see why people get so het up about leaving.
"the ability to reduce VAT on home energy bills, something which no political party has advocated doing for the past 25 years"
Please stop repeating this nonsense. No political party advocates reducing VAT on home energy bills to 0%, because we're not allowed by the EU.
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I'll have to miss it as I'm in the pubSunil_Prasannan said:
Alan Shearer doing a programme on Euro '96 after the Beeb News!Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
As a Spurs supporter. I'm voting LEAVE regardless of what Wenger does. Some things really are more important.VapidBilge said:Fatuous question:
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Still a close run thing tho'Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
As a Spurs supporter. I'm voting LEAVE regardless of what Wenger does. Some things really are more important.VapidBilge said:Fatuous question:
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Easy. Some of us have very fond memories of Mme Delpy in Before Sunriseblackburn63 said:Is this what Remain have come to? Vote IN because a woman in a B movie says so, vote OUT and never see Benidorm again.
Where's Nabavi prattling on about EEA and EFTA when you need him.
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I don't see any threats, just statements of the bleedin' obvious. If we don't allow them freedom of movement to the UK, then there's no reason to expect them to allow us freedom of movement to the EU. Note: For avoidance of doubt, this refers to permanent settlement, not business and leisure trips!Tykejohnno said:More threats from foreign leaders and Dave stands by and smiles,British people don't like threats.
This is only heading one way if we remain - Superstate.0 -
They could make retirees pay the full costs of their settling, including full healthcare costs. Indeed if Spaniards are required to do the same here who could complain?ReggieCide said:
Can Spain afford to be picky? Can the Isle of Wight stay afloat?foxinsoxuk said:
Holiday would be fine, retire may well be a different story.ReggieCide said:
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
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I don't regard it as particularly exceptionable to note that if Britain chooses to limit access of EU member states' citizens to its shores that EU states might choose to review the terms of access of British citizens to their own country. We can expect reciprocal arrangements to be put in place, regardless of narrow economic arguments. After all, narrow economic arguments don't seem to interest Leavers very much.0
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Ruthless? WARRRRRRRRR!!!!!!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Why should they accept Brexit gratefully - their free movement is under threat and expect them to be ruthlessCyclefree said:You'd have thought that other EU states would have realised by now that the British don't like being bullied.
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
If we vote Leave the EU should accept this gracefully not behave like a wronged girlfriend hiding prawns in her ex's curtain rods.0 -
Agreed.foxinsoxuk said:
They could make retirees pay the full costs of their settling, including full healthcare costs. Indeed if Spaniards are required to do the same here who could complain?ReggieCide said:
Can Spain afford to be picky? Can the Isle of Wight stay afloat?foxinsoxuk said:
Holiday would be fine, retire may well be a different story.ReggieCide said:
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
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The Conservative Party raised it, no one has ever mooted zero-rating it. Zero rating it has never been in a manifesto; it has never been a serious talking point. Not once, in the past 25 years. did 99.9% of the population have a clue about the details of VAT on home energy supply.MarkHopkins said:TOPPING said:
I really don't think it's that dramatic.Cyclefree said:You'd have thought that other EU states would have realised by now that the British don't like being bullied.
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
If we vote Leave the EU should accept this gracefully not behave like a wronged girlfriend hiding prawns in her ex's curtain rods.
The EU has enabled trade and movement amongst its member states. It tries to normalise things that probably shouldn't be normalised, but really, it is not the huge superstate conspiracy that so many on here fear.
If we leave there will be huge disruption, which is not to say we couldn't negotiate all the things we will need to negotiate.
But aside from immigration, and the ability to reduce VAT on home energy bills, something which no political party has advocated doing for the past 25 years, I can't see why people get so het up about leaving.
"the ability to reduce VAT on home energy bills, something which no political party has advocated doing for the past 25 years"
Please stop repeating this nonsense. No political party advocates reducing VAT on home energy bills to 0%, because we're not allowed by the EU.
But now?
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How would voting Leave stop the already illegal people smugglers?MP_SE said:Another good front page for Remain.
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Very simple, Cameron and co in their hubris believed that they could sell anything to the British people, including continued membership of the EU. But as the wonderful gentleman from the leave campaign on Channel 4 news tonight said, "there is no status quo in this election, its either more Brussels and more EU or get out" - I thought that was a great line and I'd go for the latter any week for every week in the next 20 years.TOPPING said:
Why on earth do you think they are allowing us to have this referendum?hunchman said:
We've all seen how rule by fear works out throughout the ages. You have to go with the grain of the PEOPLE. Nothing, but nothing held together by force, edict and dictat holds together in the long term. The EU and its ignorance of the lessons of history really is quite staggering.Stark_Dawning said:
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.BenedictWhite said:
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You peopleblackburn63 said:
Leisure movement?plant.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The big issue wEuropenunu said:
The terdam.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
OK.
Why do you think they would allow us to have a referendum on EU membership every week for the next 20 years?
A failure in exercise of superstate power, surely?
As for a failure in superstate power, well we've been here enough times before haven't we - the collapse of Communism, the collapse of Nazism / Fascism, the collapse of Rome and every empire in history that hasn't been able to stand the test of time. If the people don't want it, the authorities that be can try to resist it, but eventually they'll run out of capital and credibility - the EU is no different in this regard and has completely lost sight of serving the people under its jurisdiction. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that its days are numbered.....and not before time.0 -
What is the advantage to REMAIN in saying it? It comes across as a threat. A good move for LEAVE. BBC highlighting it in radio news bulletins I heard during the day whilst between meetings.AlastairMeeks said:I don't regard it as particularly exceptionable to note that if Britain chooses to limit access of EU member states' citizens to its shores that EU states might choose to review the terms of access of British citizens to their own country. We can expect reciprocal arrangements to be put in place, regardless of narrow economic arguments. After all, narrow economic arguments don't seem to interest Leavers very much.
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Does freedom mean:SeanT said:
It is repulsively undemocratic. In the end freedom is what counts, everything else is just getting and spending, getting and spending. No one ever died thinking I'm so glad I bought that excellent 90 inch plasma screen TV, but people do die thinking, proudly: I spent my life as a free man, and I hand on a free country to my children.TOPPING said:
Fuck them indeed.SeanT said:
The Spanish economy would collapse without British tourists. What twaddle this is.ReggieCide said:
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
Fuck Europe. Fuck Remain.
LEAVE
But all of this for what?
What is it that gets your goat so much about our membership of the EU?
We are not free. We are governed by those we do not elect. No the EU is not some horrible prison, or Stalinist tyranny, but it is very undemocratic, and it cannot be reformed, because there is no demos, and it encroaches ever further on our lives with laws we did not will, and laws we can never repeal, however we vote.
Enough. Yes leaving the EU will cost us money, but, as I say, in the end, what is money compared to freedom and self respect?
LEAVE
a) deciding to have a referendum to leave the EU; or
b) not being allowed to have a referendum to leave the EU.0 -
We pay £1bn and they pay us £100m a year. Not exactly a cashflow that we gain from.foxinsoxuk said:
They could make retirees pay the full costs of their settling, including full healthcare costs. Indeed if Spaniards are required to do the same here who could complain?ReggieCide said:
Can Spain afford to be picky? Can the Isle of Wight stay afloat?foxinsoxuk said:
Holiday would be fine, retire may well be a different story.ReggieCide said:
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
It may have to be the Isle of Wight after all....
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TOPPING said:
The Conservative Party raised it, no one has ever mooted zero-rating it. Zero rating it has never been in a manifesto; it has never been a serious talking point. Not once, in the past 25 years. did 99.9% of the population have a clue about the details of VAT on home energy supply.MarkHopkins said:TOPPING said:
I really don't think it's that dramatic.Cyclefree said:You'd have thought that other EU states would have realised by now that the British don't like being bullied.
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
If we vote Leave the EU should accept this gracefully not behave like a wronged girlfriend hiding prawns in her ex's curtain rods.
The EU has enabled trade and movement amongst its member states. It tries to normalise things that probably shouldn't be normalised, but really, it is not the huge superstate conspiracy that so many on here fear.
If we leave there will be huge disruption, which is not to say we couldn't negotiate all the things we will need to negotiate.
But aside from immigration, and the ability to reduce VAT on home energy bills, something which no political party has advocated doing for the past 25 years, I can't see why people get so het up about leaving.
"the ability to reduce VAT on home energy bills, something which no political party has advocated doing for the past 25 years"
Please stop repeating this nonsense. No political party advocates reducing VAT on home energy bills to 0%, because we're not allowed by the EU.
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Zero-rating cannot be in a UK manifesto, as the EU disallows it.
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That is because Spaniards here are younger and fitter. Very fit indeed from the ones I see at my hospital!TCPoliticalBetting said:
We pay £1bn and they pay us £100m a year. Not exactly a cashflow that we gain from.foxinsoxuk said:
They could make retirees pay the full costs of their settling, including full healthcare costs. Indeed if Spaniards are required to do the same here who could complain?ReggieCide said:
Can Spain afford to be picky? Can the Isle of Wight stay afloat?foxinsoxuk said:
Holiday would be fine, retire may well be a different story.ReggieCide said:
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING:Spanish president says Brits would lose right to "move freely" in EU after Brexit https://t.co/pQYQIqLOXc https://t.co/GAp0jBUbcL
It may have to be the Isle of Wight after all....0
