Catching up on three threads of Monty Hall puzzles and coin toss games reminds me of this:
A gambler relys on information. The video is completely genuine, despite Mr Brown's reputation for trickery, but think about what you don't know to work out how he did it. https://youtu.be/XzYLHOX50Bc
How many takes did he do?
9hrs worth...
Wow. That's patience.
The explanation. Yes, he is quite dedicated to his craft, this whole hour long program about gambling represented several months of his life. See the live stage show if you ever get the chance. https://youtu.be/n1SJ-Tn3bcQ
You don't need to watch and it seems perfectly clear what you are about to watch if you press the titty. I wonder how many others are offended. I'm not even though you've enabled me to see something that offends you so that it might offend me.
I didn't say anything about being offended. I just queried if we NEED to see this. It was a general musing type question, not outrage.
Accepting what you say, I would opine that questioning need to see in the context of violence predisposes one (me anyway) to believe that offence has been given. How would you define what we NEED to see?
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
And Spain and Portugal and Italy and Greece would scream blue murder at the potential decimation of their tourist industry - would never happen.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
No. If they imposed visas for short trips many businesses in France, Spain and Greece will have serious trouble.
They are talking about the right to move to settle and/or work.
Catching up on three threads of Monty Hall puzzles and coin toss games reminds me of this:
A gambler relys on information. The video is completely genuine, despite Mr Brown's reputation for trickery, but think about what you don't know to work out how he did it. https://youtu.be/XzYLHOX50Bc
How many takes did he do?
9hrs worth...
Wow. That's patience.
The explanation. Yes, he is quite dedicated to his craft, this whole hour long program about gambling represented several months of his life. See the live stage show if you ever get the chance. https://youtu.be/n1SJ-Tn3bcQ
I saw his latest show and I have to say I was a bit disappointed. Quite a bit of it was rehashes of well known industry wide tricks e.g Spike. But I was told by somebody in the know that he now signed up to a new show every year / 18 months and things have become rushed to meet the big pay days. Which is all a bit of a shame and detracts from some of the really good stuff he has done.
The best video I have seen of his, is not the public for consumption stuff, but rather the video he made many years ago for the trade.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement?
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
And Spain and Portugal and Italy and Greece would scream blue murder at the potential decimation of their tourist industry - would never happen.
Spain and the Dutch are already threatening restrictions and if others follow it will happen.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
That's never going to happen. There's already free movement of British citizens almost anywhere for the purposes of leisure and business (as opposed to taking a job abroad). Engineers from Airbus in Bristol are still going to go to Toulouse for the day for meetings, why would France want to block that?
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
And Spain and Portugal and Italy and Greece would scream blue murder at the potential decimation of their tourist industry - would never happen.
Indeed. You have to wonder if certain posters have ever ventured outside of the EU.
Leave will just dismiss it as project fear but if this gets headlines and more EU Countries endorse Spain and the Dutch's position in the coming days it could have an influence
Who's going to stop them - once they are in Schengen they can go where they like. After all - Somalis, Syrians, L:ibyans and old uncle tom cobbley and all can.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Presumably our relationship with the EU would become much like our relationship with the US as regards travel. Holidays and business trips, no problem, but much more difficult to permanently move there.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Presumably our relationship with the EU would become much like our relationship with the US as regards travel. Holidays and business trips, no problem, but much more difficult to permanently move there.
Again - with Southern Europe largely dependent on the UK spending dosh on holidays, I am pretty sure there won't be many if any restrictions.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
And Spain and Portugal and Italy and Greece would scream blue murder at the potential decimation of their tourist industry - would never happen.
Spain and the Dutch are already threatening restrictions and if others follow it will happen.
To holiday travel? They're not stupid. No one is talking about stopping holiday travel, or indeed business trips.
French historical bonkbuster, Versailles, about to start now on BBC2
@camillalong: 90 seconds into Versailles and still no gay sex or naked tittays. Flop
10 minutes in and you have had your two scenes!
Monsieur certainly played for both sides. He had 11 children, as well as numerous boyfriends, and would turn up on the battlefield beribboned and made up - but he fought like a lion.
I imagine that the show makes everyone look much cleaner, and more attractive, than was actually the case.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement?
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of people
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Presumably our relationship with the EU would become much like our relationship with the US as regards travel. Holidays and business trips, no problem, but much more difficult to permanently move there.
Again - with Southern Europe largely dependent on the UK spending dosh on holidays, I am pretty sure there won't be many if any restrictions.
Even the fascists were happy for Brits to holiday in Spain before we joined the Common Market. More Remain BS.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Not going to happen. Not for short stay. Benidorm or Mykonos probably appreciate us deep down. Working, and settling maybe, depends what would be negotiated. If we negotiated the right to work here if you have a job of a certain level to come to or you have independent means to an agreed level for example not much would change for the vast majority of Brits.
Catching up on three threads of Monty Hall puzzles and coin toss games reminds me of this:
A gambler relys on information. The video is completely genuine, despite Mr Brown's reputation for trickery, but think about what you don't know to work out how he did it. https://youtu.be/XzYLHOX50Bc
How many takes did he do?
9hrs worth...
Wow. That's patience.
The explanation. Yes, he is quite dedicated to his craft, this whole hour long program about gambling represented several months of his life. See the live stage show if you ever get the chance. https://youtu.be/n1SJ-Tn3bcQ
I saw his latest show and I have to say I was a bit disappointed. Quite a bit of it was rehashes of well known industry wide tricks e.g Spike. But I was told by somebody in the know that he now signed up to a new show every year / 18 months and things have become rushed to meet the big pay days. Which is all a bit of a shame and detracts from some of the really good stuff he has done.
The best video I have seen of his, is not the public for consumption stuff, but rather the video he made many years ago for the trade.
I saw him in London in I think 2012, was very good but I worked out the finale when I saw it (it was somewhat assisted by the interval). I have seen snippets of the 'trade' video to which you refer, and his early work was quite brilliant, although some of the recent C4 stuff was clearly just for the ratings/money - lottery numbers, really..?
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Presumably our relationship with the EU would become much like our relationship with the US as regards travel. Holidays and business trips, no problem, but much more difficult to permanently move there.
Again - with Southern Europe largely dependent on the UK spending dosh on holidays, I am pretty sure there won't be many if any restrictions.
Yes, as I said, I wouldn't expect holidays to be a problem (apart from a little more hassle with insurance due the the lack of an E111). This isn't what is meant by "freedom of movement" though. FoM implies the right to settle, i.e. live, work, study, retire, etc., not just take short trips for business or leisure. That's what's in doubt.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement? I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of people
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement?
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of people
Listen mate, you're clearly a decent bloke but you spout utter bollocks. You regurgitate things you've heard without giving them a moment's thought. Read the posts around this and then consider the implications of restricting "leisure movement".
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement? I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of people
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?
OK.
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement? I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of people
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?
OK.
Sky now reporting both Spain and the Dutch are saying that there will be consequences if UK restricts movement - this is just so obvious
Decided against canvassing for Leave. Was afraid of this scenario:
Voter: Will I need a visa to travel to Europe Me: We just don't know.
Surely the answer to that is Do you need a visa to Travel to Iceland, Switzerland or Canada, No. So highly unlikely.
Travel isn't the issue. It's the right to work and live that's the concern. Try moving to the US to work without expensive lawyers like Fragomen. It would be a disaster if we had to experience anything similar to take a job in France.
Many British nationals seem to have little difficulty living and working in First World countries outside the EU. But of course, they have no unqualified right to live and work there. They are subject to immigration controls and that is right.
I certainly see no reason why I should have an unqualified right to live and work in other countries and vice versa.
Stop thinking of the EU as 'other countries'. It is a federation whose citizens, including Brits, should consider such privileges as a birthright.
But a pretty impractical one. Most of us don't have the language skills to exercise such a right. It would be far more useful for far more people to have the right to live and work in Australia, Canada, and New Zealand - and I think we would be fairly happy for those rights to be reciprocal. The right to go and work in France or Italy or Romania isn't really much use to many beyond a small minority. I don't want to dismiss this out of hand, but I don't think many people can get too excited by it.
Quite and one of the deep problems of the Euro. It's all well and good having the right to work in Italy, and you might be a highly qualified lawyer, accountant actor or whatever but if you can't speak Italian that right is severely limited in practice. There isn't the real free movement of labour as between Sussex and Dundee, Chicago and Alabama or Stuttgart and Leipzig.
There isn't a European "polis" despite decades of trying to will one into existence by creating Euro parliaments, passports, currencies, or regional development funds.
Exactly the point I was making last night, albeit with less brevity!
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement? I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of people
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?
OK.
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.
The problem is that the EU elites would collapse the very zombie economies that they need to keep limping on. If they do that, then they could start a process of unravelling.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Presumably our relationship with the EU would become much like our relationship with the US as regards travel. Holidays and business trips, no problem, but much more difficult to permanently move there.
Again - with Southern Europe largely dependent on the UK spending dosh on holidays, I am pretty sure there won't be many if any restrictions.
Yes, as I said, I wouldn't expect holidays to be a problem (apart from a little more hassle with insurance due the the lack of an E111). This isn't what is meant by "freedom of movement" though. FoM implies the right to settle, i.e. live, work, study, retire, etc., not just take short trips for business or leisure. That's what's in doubt.
Forget about the EHIC (E111 is Sooo 1990s - it ended in 2005) And many insurers rate countries outside the EU but in Europe exactly the same as those in the EU. (Trust me on this - I am a travel insurance broker).
(Anyone trusting in the EHIC is naïve at best, stupid at worst)
Oh - and there ARE countries not in the EU but who are members of the Erasmus scheme.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement? I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of people
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?
OK.
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.
In which case screw 'em. I'm not being bought or blackmailed.
I for one don't actually view the EU as malevolent, just wrong headed, and impractical in its idealism ( the woes of the euro are I am sure cock up not conspiracy). But threats will just harden my attitude.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Presumably our relationship with the EU would become much like our relationship with the US as regards travel. Holidays and business trips, no problem, but much more difficult to permanently move there.
Again - with Southern Europe largely dependent on the UK spending dosh on holidays, I am pretty sure there won't be many if any restrictions.
Even the fascists were happy for Brits to holiday in Spain before we joined the Common Market. More Remain BS.
True, perhaps, but they had shut the border with Gibraltar.
I fully expect Gibraltar to strongly vote for Remain.
On topic, I don't follow the campaigns closely on social media, but it would appear to me, based on a brief look at numbers and engagement, that Leave are 'winning' the social media battle. But so did 'Yes', and it didn't do them any good.
French historical bonkbuster, Versailles, about to start now on BBC2
@camillalong: 90 seconds into Versailles and still no gay sex or naked tittays. Flop
10 minutes in and you have had your two scenes!
Monsieur certainly played for both sides. He had 11 children, as well as numerous boyfriends, and would turn up on the battlefield beribboned and made up - but he fought like a lion.
I imagine that the show makes everyone look much cleaner, and more attractive, than was actually the case.
Famously Versailles was built, originally, without toilets.
So you'd have all these fabulously rich, coiffured, periwigged French counts and countesses urgently taking a crap or a pee in any old corner, right behind the Flemish tapestries.
Which is extraordinary. Windsor Castle had some privies in the 1360s. Henry VIII built the Great House of Easement at Hampton Court in the 1530's. Even worse, Versailles was full of pets that weren't house-trained. Madame de Maintenon even kept pet mice that roamed at will.
Catching up on three threads of Monty Hall puzzles and coin toss games reminds me of this:
A gambler relys on information. The video is completely genuine, despite Mr Brown's reputation for trickery, but think about what you don't know to work out how he did it. https://youtu.be/XzYLHOX50Bc
How many takes did he do?
9hrs worth...
Wow. That's patience.
The explanation. Yes, he is quite dedicated to his craft, this whole hour long program about gambling represented several months of his life. See the live stage show if you ever get the chance. https://youtu.be/n1SJ-Tn3bcQ
I saw his latest show and I have to say I was a bit disappointed. Quite a bit of it was rehashes of well known industry wide tricks e.g Spike. But I was told by somebody in the know that he now signed up to a new show every year / 18 months and things have become rushed to meet the big pay days. Which is all a bit of a shame and detracts from some of the really good stuff he has done.
The best video I have seen of his, is not the public for consumption stuff, but rather the video he made many years ago for the trade.
I saw him in London in I think 2012, was very good but I worked out the finale when I saw it (it was somewhat assisted by the interval). I have seen snippets of the 'trade' video to which you refer, and his early work was quite brilliant, although some of the recent C4 stuff was clearly just for the ratings/money - lottery numbers, really..?
I think my experience was slightly negatively affected by moronic audience members when asked simple things like name a famous person and date, managed to come up with my mate Bob at 3.15pm.
and Houllier and Lebouef and Karl Heinz-Riedle and one of my favourite pianists Alfred Brendel.
I'd love to give them all a 10 minute lecture on the case for vote leave whilst stressing how pro-European I am. There is no contradiction between being pro-European anti EU and in the leave camp. We just want what's best for Europe.....and the world as a whole.
and Houllier and Lebouef and Karl Heinz-Riedle and one of my favourite pianists Alfred Brendel.
I'd love to give them all a 10 minute lecture on the case for vote leave whilst stressing how pro-European I am. There is no contradiction between being pro-European anti EU and in the leave camp. We just want what's best for Europe.....and the world as a whole.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement? I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of people
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?
OK.
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.
25% of all foreign tourists to Spain come from the UK. They will not do anything to harm an industry worth 11% of their GDP.
The European Union has issued a formal warning to Poland for threatening the rule of law - one of the founding principles of the EU. Critics of the right-wing Polish government have been angry at changes it has made to the country's top court, leaving it, they say, in effect unable to review and veto legislation.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement? I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of people
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?
OK.
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.
Do you want to be part of a gang that threatens you if you want to leave it?
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement? I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of people
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?
OK.
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.
We've all seen how rule by fear works out throughout the ages. You have to go with the grain of the PEOPLE. Nothing, but nothing held together by force, edict and dictat holds together in the long term. The EU and its ignorance of the lessons of history really is quite staggering.
You'd have thought that other EU states would have realised by now that the British don't like being bullied.
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
If we vote Leave the EU should accept this gracefully not behave like a wronged girlfriend hiding prawns in her ex's curtain rods.
French historical bonkbuster, Versailles, about to start now on BBC2
@camillalong: 90 seconds into Versailles and still no gay sex or naked tittays. Flop
10 minutes in and you have had your two scenes!
Monsieur certainly played for both sides. He had 11 children, as well as numerous boyfriends, and would turn up on the battlefield beribboned and made up - but he fought like a lion.
I imagine that the show makes everyone look much cleaner, and more attractive, than was actually the case.
Probably the leads but the supporting cast are largely character actors, it was certainly a time of free love, the Restoration court of Charles II was not much different
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement? I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of people
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?
OK.
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.
25% of all foreign tourists to Spain come from the UK. They will not do anything to harm an industry worth 11% of their GDP.
Just annex Gibraltar - it is Spain's PM who is threatening consequences
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement? I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of people
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?
OK.
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.
We've all seen how rule by fear works out throughout the ages. You have to go with the grain of the PEOPLE. Nothing, but nothing held together by force, edict and dictat holds together in the long term. The EU and its ignorance of the lessons of history really is quite staggering.
Why on earth do you think they are allowing us to have this referendum?
Why do you think they would allow us to have a referendum on EU membership every week for the next 20 years?
A failure in exercise of superstate power, surely?
French historical bonkbuster, Versailles, about to start now on BBC2
@camillalong: 90 seconds into Versailles and still no gay sex or naked tittays. Flop
10 minutes in and you have had your two scenes!
Monsieur certainly played for both sides. He had 11 children, as well as numerous boyfriends, and would turn up on the battlefield beribboned and made up - but he fought like a lion.
I imagine that the show makes everyone look much cleaner, and more attractive, than was actually the case.
Famously Versailles was built, originally, without toilets.
So you'd have all these fabulously rich, coiffured, periwigged French counts and countesses urgently taking a crap or a pee in any old corner, right behind the Flemish tapestries.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Presumably our relationship with the EU would become much like our relationship with the US as regards travel. Holidays and business trips, no problem, but much more difficult to permanently move there.
Again - with Southern Europe largely dependent on the UK spending dosh on holidays, I am pretty sure there won't be many if any restrictions.
Yes, as I said, I wouldn't expect holidays to be a problem (apart from a little more hassle with insurance due the the lack of an E111). This isn't what is meant by "freedom of movement" though. FoM implies the right to settle, i.e. live, work, study, retire, etc., not just take short trips for business or leisure. That's what's in doubt.
Forget about the EHIC (E111 is Sooo 1990s - it ended in 2005) And many insurers rate countries outside the EU but in Europe exactly the same as those in the EU. (Trust me on this - I am a travel insurance broker).
(Anyone trusting in the EHIC is naïve at best, stupid at worst)
Oh - and there ARE countries not in the EU but who are members of the Erasmus scheme.
Sorry, I meant EHIC of course - mind just slipped a decade.
Why is it wrong to trust the EHIC? Personally, I've always regarded travel insurance as a complete waste of money - virtually a scam - when travelling to the EU and have never bought any. Mind you, I suppose there may be certain circumstances in which it might be worthwhile buying.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement? I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of people
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?
OK.
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.
Do you want to be part of a gang that threatens you if you want to leave it?
Can't see any threats myself - just no longer doing us any favours.
The European Union has issued a formal warning to Poland for threatening the rule of law - one of the founding principles of the EU. Critics of the right-wing Polish government have been angry at changes it has made to the country's top court, leaving it, they say, in effect unable to review and veto legislation.
You'd have thought that other EU states would have realised by now that the British don't like being bullied.
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
If we vote Leave the EU should accept this gracefully not behave like a wronged girlfriend hiding prawns in her ex's curtain rods.
I really don't think it's that dramatic.
The EU has enabled trade and movement amongst its member states. It tries to normalise things that probably shouldn't be normalised, but really, it is not the huge superstate conspiracy that so many on here fear.
If we leave there will be huge disruption, which is not to say we couldn't negotiate all the things we will need to negotiate.
But aside from immigration, and the ability to reduce VAT on home energy bills, something which no political party has advocated doing for the past 25 years, I can't see why people get so het up about leaving.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement? I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of people
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?
OK.
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.
Do you want to be part of a gang that threatens you if you want to leave it?
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement? I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of people
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?
OK.
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.
Do you want to be part of a gang that threatens you if you want to leave it?
Can't see any threats myself - just no longer doing us any favours.
You would be eager to see Britain punished if we had the nerve to vote for Brexit.
The thing is most of the people planning on voting Leave are the "underclass" who don't have a chance of leaving Goole or Thanet let alone moving to Madrid or Amsterdam.
The big issue would be the imposition of visas on the UK by the EU and the threat to holidays and general free business and leisure movement throughout Europe
Leisure movement? I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
You are out of order yet again. You seem to think that abuse is acceptable if you do not agree with someone. Of course UK residents can go on holiday in Europe but you cannot say that this will be visa free if Europe decides to take action against the threat to their cherished free movement of people
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?
OK.
Sky now reporting both Spain and the Dutch are saying that there will be consequences if UK restricts movement - this is just so obvious
We Brits respond so well to threats... Another own goal from project fear.
You'd have thought that other EU states would have realised by now that the British don't like being bullied.
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
If we vote Leave the EU should accept this gracefully not behave like a wronged girlfriend hiding prawns in her ex's curtain rods.
Why should they accept Brexit gratefully - their free movement is under threat and expect them to be ruthless
You'd have thought that other EU states would have realised by now that the British don't like being bullied.
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
If we vote Leave the EU should accept this gracefully not behave like a wronged girlfriend hiding prawns in her ex's curtain rods.
I think there'll be an absolute Götterdämmerung of threats over the next three weeks.
You'd have thought that other EU states would have realised by now that the British don't like being bullied.
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
If we vote Leave the EU should accept this gracefully not behave like a wronged girlfriend hiding prawns in her ex's curtain rods.
I really don't think it's that dramatic.
The EU has enabled trade and movement amongst its member states. It tries to normalise things that probably shouldn't be normalised, but really, it is not the huge superstate conspiracy that so many on here fear.
If we leave there will be huge disruption, which is not to say we couldn't negotiate all the things we will need to negotiate.
But aside from immigration, and the ability to reduce VAT on home energy bills, something which no political party has advocated doing for the past 25 years, I can't see why people get so het up about leaving.
"the ability to reduce VAT on home energy bills, something which no political party has advocated doing for the past 25 years"
Please stop repeating this nonsense. No political party advocates reducing VAT on home energy bills to 0%, because we're not allowed by the EU.
More threats from foreign leaders and Dave stands by and smiles,British people don't like threats.
This is only heading one way if we remain - Superstate.
I don't see any threats, just statements of the bleedin' obvious. If we don't allow them freedom of movement to the UK, then there's no reason to expect them to allow us freedom of movement to the EU. Note: For avoidance of doubt, this refers to permanent settlement, not business and leisure trips!
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?
Holiday would be fine, retire may well be a different story.
It may have to be the Isle of Wight after all....
Can Spain afford to be picky? Can the Isle of Wight stay afloat?
They could make retirees pay the full costs of their settling, including full healthcare costs. Indeed if Spaniards are required to do the same here who could complain?
I don't regard it as particularly exceptionable to note that if Britain chooses to limit access of EU member states' citizens to its shores that EU states might choose to review the terms of access of British citizens to their own country. We can expect reciprocal arrangements to be put in place, regardless of narrow economic arguments. After all, narrow economic arguments don't seem to interest Leavers very much.
You'd have thought that other EU states would have realised by now that the British don't like being bullied.
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
If we vote Leave the EU should accept this gracefully not behave like a wronged girlfriend hiding prawns in her ex's curtain rods.
Why should they accept Brexit gratefully - their free movement is under threat and expect them to be ruthless
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?
Holiday would be fine, retire may well be a different story.
It may have to be the Isle of Wight after all....
Can Spain afford to be picky? Can the Isle of Wight stay afloat?
They could make retirees pay the full costs of their settling, including full healthcare costs. Indeed if Spaniards are required to do the same here who could complain?
You'd have thought that other EU states would have realised by now that the British don't like being bullied.
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
If we vote Leave the EU should accept this gracefully not behave like a wronged girlfriend hiding prawns in her ex's curtain rods.
I really don't think it's that dramatic.
The EU has enabled trade and movement amongst its member states. It tries to normalise things that probably shouldn't be normalised, but really, it is not the huge superstate conspiracy that so many on here fear.
If we leave there will be huge disruption, which is not to say we couldn't negotiate all the things we will need to negotiate.
But aside from immigration, and the ability to reduce VAT on home energy bills, something which no political party has advocated doing for the past 25 years, I can't see why people get so het up about leaving.
"the ability to reduce VAT on home energy bills, something which no political party has advocated doing for the past 25 years"
Please stop repeating this nonsense. No political party advocates reducing VAT on home energy bills to 0%, because we're not allowed by the EU.
The Conservative Party raised it, no one has ever mooted zero-rating it. Zero rating it has never been in a manifesto; it has never been a serious talking point. Not once, in the past 25 years. did 99.9% of the population have a clue about the details of VAT on home energy supply.
But now?
Now it is the cause for which we will burn our single market membership upon.
Right, so people from Venuzuela, USA, Canada etc etc can travel visa free to the EU without visas but the EU will want to make it harder to get money from us?
OK.
Depends if the EU and its governing elites decide to make an example of us, to prevent the exiting contagion spreading. We know how protective they are of their project. A few euros of British holiday wonga is piffling compared to the EU's very survival.
We've all seen how rule by fear works out throughout the ages. You have to go with the grain of the PEOPLE. Nothing, but nothing held together by force, edict and dictat holds together in the long term. The EU and its ignorance of the lessons of history really is quite staggering.
Why on earth do you think they are allowing us to have this referendum?
Why do you think they would allow us to have a referendum on EU membership every week for the next 20 years?
A failure in exercise of superstate power, surely?
Very simple, Cameron and co in their hubris believed that they could sell anything to the British people, including continued membership of the EU. But as the wonderful gentleman from the leave campaign on Channel 4 news tonight said, "there is no status quo in this election, its either more Brussels and more EU or get out" - I thought that was a great line and I'd go for the latter any week for every week in the next 20 years.
As for a failure in superstate power, well we've been here enough times before haven't we - the collapse of Communism, the collapse of Nazism / Fascism, the collapse of Rome and every empire in history that hasn't been able to stand the test of time. If the people don't want it, the authorities that be can try to resist it, but eventually they'll run out of capital and credibility - the EU is no different in this regard and has completely lost sight of serving the people under its jurisdiction. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that its days are numbered.....and not before time.
I don't regard it as particularly exceptionable to note that if Britain chooses to limit access of EU member states' citizens to its shores that EU states might choose to review the terms of access of British citizens to their own country. We can expect reciprocal arrangements to be put in place, regardless of narrow economic arguments. After all, narrow economic arguments don't seem to interest Leavers very much.
What is the advantage to REMAIN in saying it? It comes across as a threat. A good move for LEAVE. BBC highlighting it in radio news bulletins I heard during the day whilst between meetings.
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?
The Spanish economy would collapse without British tourists. What twaddle this is.
Fuck Europe. Fuck Remain.
LEAVE
Fuck them indeed.
But all of this for what?
What is it that gets your goat so much about our membership of the EU?
It is repulsively undemocratic. In the end freedom is what counts, everything else is just getting and spending, getting and spending. No one ever died thinking I'm so glad I bought that excellent 90 inch plasma screen TV, but people do die thinking, proudly: I spent my life as a free man, and I hand on a free country to my children.
We are not free. We are governed by those we do not elect. No the EU is not some horrible prison, or Stalinist tyranny, but it is very undemocratic, and it cannot be reformed, because there is no demos, and it encroaches ever further on our lives with laws we did not will, and laws we can never repeal, however we vote.
Enough. Yes leaving the EU will cost us money, but, as I say, in the end, what is money compared to freedom and self respect?
LEAVE
Does freedom mean:
a) deciding to have a referendum to leave the EU; or b) not being allowed to have a referendum to leave the EU.
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?
Holiday would be fine, retire may well be a different story.
It may have to be the Isle of Wight after all....
Can Spain afford to be picky? Can the Isle of Wight stay afloat?
They could make retirees pay the full costs of their settling, including full healthcare costs. Indeed if Spaniards are required to do the same here who could complain?
We pay £1bn and they pay us £100m a year. Not exactly a cashflow that we gain from.
You'd have thought that other EU states would have realised by now that the British don't like being bullied.
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
If we vote Leave the EU should accept this gracefully not behave like a wronged girlfriend hiding prawns in her ex's curtain rods.
I really don't think it's that dramatic.
The EU has enabled trade and movement amongst its member states. It tries to normalise things that probably shouldn't be normalised, but really, it is not the huge superstate conspiracy that so many on here fear.
If we leave there will be huge disruption, which is not to say we couldn't negotiate all the things we will need to negotiate.
But aside from immigration, and the ability to reduce VAT on home energy bills, something which no political party has advocated doing for the past 25 years, I can't see why people get so het up about leaving.
"the ability to reduce VAT on home energy bills, something which no political party has advocated doing for the past 25 years"
Please stop repeating this nonsense. No political party advocates reducing VAT on home energy bills to 0%, because we're not allowed by the EU.
The Conservative Party raised it, no one has ever mooted zero-rating it. Zero rating it has never been in a manifesto; it has never been a serious talking point. Not once, in the past 25 years. did 99.9% of the population have a clue about the details of VAT on home energy supply. ...
Zero-rating cannot be in a UK manifesto, as the EU disallows it.
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to holiday or retire in Spain?
Holiday would be fine, retire may well be a different story.
It may have to be the Isle of Wight after all....
Can Spain afford to be picky? Can the Isle of Wight stay afloat?
They could make retirees pay the full costs of their settling, including full healthcare costs. Indeed if Spaniards are required to do the same here who could complain?
We pay £1bn and they pay us £100m a year. Not exactly a cashflow that we gain from.
That is because Spaniards here are younger and fitter. Very fit indeed from the ones I see at my hospital!
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https://youtu.be/n1SJ-Tn3bcQ
They are talking about the right to move to settle and/or work.
The best video I have seen of his, is not the public for consumption stuff, but rather the video he made many years ago for the trade.
I called you out as a spoof weeks ago, I apologise, if you HONESTLY believe Brexit will mean we can't go to Magaluf you're not a spoof you're a fucking idiot. Even Remain wouldn't use you as a plant.
I imagine that the show makes everyone look much cleaner, and more attractive, than was actually the case.
NO BRITS WANTED HERE
OK.
@StigAbell: Signatories to open letter include Arsene Wenger, Julie Delpy, Isabella Rossellini. https://t.co/EbE6b5fZ5O https://t.co/bTL0E9T1tv
That said, they are stupid so who knows?
(Anyone trusting in the EHIC is naïve at best, stupid at worst)
Oh - and there ARE countries not in the EU but who are members of the Erasmus scheme.
But all of this for what?
What is it that gets your goat so much about our membership of the EU?
I for one don't actually view the EU as malevolent, just wrong headed, and impractical in its idealism ( the woes of the euro are I am sure cock up not conspiracy). But threats will just harden my attitude.
I fully expect Gibraltar to strongly vote for Remain.
Exactly.
I'd love to give them all a 10 minute lecture on the case for vote leave whilst stressing how pro-European I am. There is no contradiction between being pro-European anti EU and in the leave camp. We just want what's best for Europe.....and the world as a whole.
Well done you.
Critics of the right-wing Polish government have been angry at changes it has made to the country's top court, leaving it, they say, in effect unable to review and veto legislation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36429325
It may have to be the Isle of Wight after all....
Do Spurs fans vote Remain to keep Wenger at Arsenal, or vote Leave to get him removed?
Britain has been an escape valve for many EU economies, providing their young with the jobs those states were unable to. If that option is no longer open or not to the same extent, those states will have to bear the costs. So they will make it harder for British people to liv and work in their countries. But they would have to be pretty foolish to harm their own tourist industries or their own businesses. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course.
But I'm damned if I'm going to be lectured by the Prime Minister of a country which became democratic barely 5 minutes ago.
If we vote Leave the EU should accept this gracefully not behave like a wronged girlfriend hiding prawns in her ex's curtain rods.
Why do you think they would allow us to have a referendum on EU membership every week for the next 20 years?
A failure in exercise of superstate power, surely?
Why is it wrong to trust the EHIC? Personally, I've always regarded travel insurance as a complete waste of money - virtually a scam - when travelling to the EU and have never bought any. Mind you, I suppose there may be certain circumstances in which it might be worthwhile buying.
This is only heading one way if we remain - Superstate.
The EU has enabled trade and movement amongst its member states. It tries to normalise things that probably shouldn't be normalised, but really, it is not the huge superstate conspiracy that so many on here fear.
If we leave there will be huge disruption, which is not to say we couldn't negotiate all the things we will need to negotiate.
But aside from immigration, and the ability to reduce VAT on home energy bills, something which no political party has advocated doing for the past 25 years, I can't see why people get so het up about leaving.
Where's Nabavi prattling on about EEA and EFTA when you need him.
Gove 30%, Boris 22%, May 16%, Fox 11%, Osborne 8%, Patel 6%, Javid 4%, Morgan 2%, Hunt 2%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/06/gove-tops-our-next-party-leader-survey-for-the-third-month-running.html
I remember her from Three Colours:White, Before Sunrise and Before Sunset.
And an awful movie with Chris Rock.
I think she is based in the US.
"the ability to reduce VAT on home energy bills, something which no political party has advocated doing for the past 25 years"
Please stop repeating this nonsense. No political party advocates reducing VAT on home energy bills to 0%, because we're not allowed by the EU.
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/738117776368390144
But now?
Now it is the cause for which we will burn our single market membership upon.
As for a failure in superstate power, well we've been here enough times before haven't we - the collapse of Communism, the collapse of Nazism / Fascism, the collapse of Rome and every empire in history that hasn't been able to stand the test of time. If the people don't want it, the authorities that be can try to resist it, but eventually they'll run out of capital and credibility - the EU is no different in this regard and has completely lost sight of serving the people under its jurisdiction. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that its days are numbered.....and not before time.
a) deciding to have a referendum to leave the EU; or
b) not being allowed to have a referendum to leave the EU.
Zero-rating cannot be in a UK manifesto, as the EU disallows it.