"How we lost the plot on immigration: As a one-legged Albanian drug dealing murderer gets citizenship, benefits and a home, two utterly decent and hardworking families face being expelled
The Zielsdorfs and their children face deportation to Canada, (pictured top right) while Australians Greg and Kathryn Brain and son Lachlan (pictured bottom right) fell foul of altered immigration rules - despite being invited to the UK. But a one-legged Albanian drug dealing double murderer (left) gets citizenship, a lovely house, £500 a week benefits and legal aid to use Human Rights to fight deportation. Two utterly decent families from kith and kin nations which fought for us in the war are being expelled..."
The deportations are happening as a result of policies that the Tory Leavers support. Or used to.
That pure rubbish Southam, and I'm no Tory supporter.
In what way is it rubbish? The Canadian and Australian families face deportation as a result of decisions made by the government.
And the government is controlled overwhelmingly by REMAINians. The fact is that much to my surprise Leave is taking the edge., despite the Leave Campaign being lead by Tory leavers of all hues.
Perhaps you can knock up a graph showing European unemployment over the last decade to show how much Remain care, or maybe a Greek Special.
Are you saying unemployment will go down in Europe if the UK leaves the EU? Tory Leavers are so worried about the plight of the poorest in society that they have enthusiastically supported policies that hurt the poorest in society most. In the same way, they are so concerned about preventing illegal immigration that they have supported major cuts to the navy and the coastguard. That's how much they care.
Cyclefree set out recently what a professional, coherent, immigration policy and system would look like. It also needs a Chancellor who backs it up. Your comment on the navy is a tiny example, a bigger one is a fully resourced border police. But, in Osborne we have someone who does not support the tens of thousands promise and it shows in the govt shambles in this area. Quite why Cameron let this all happen will be for his next biography to answer.
Tory Leavers have backed every single one of the Chancellor's budgets and the government's overall economic and fiscal policies.
Remain is the side of George Osborne and David Cameron.
It is the side that implements UK austerity whilst handing £25bn a year over to the EU and Overseas Aid.
Leave is the side that wants to direct that money to the UK.
"How we lost the plot on immigration: As a one-legged Albanian drug dealing murderer gets citizenship, benefits and a home, two utterly decent and hardworking families face being expelled
The Zielsdorfs and their children face deportation to Canada, (pictured top right) while Australians Greg and Kathryn Brain and son Lachlan (pictured bottom right) fell foul of altered immigration rules - despite being invited to the UK. But a one-legged Albanian drug dealing double murderer (left) gets citizenship, a lovely house, £500 a week benefits and legal aid to use Human Rights to fight deportation. Two utterly decent families from kith and kin nations which fought for us in the war are being expelled..."
The deportations are happening as a result of policies that the Tory Leavers support. Or used to.
That pure rubbish Southam, and I'm no Tory supporter.
In what way is it rubbish? The Canadian and Australian families face deportation as a result of decisions made by the government.
And the government is controlled overwhelmingly by REMAINians. The fact is that much to my surprise Leave is taking the edge., despite the Leave Campaign being lead by Tory leavers of all hues.
The government can only get its policies enacted if it gets a majority in the Commons. If Tory Leavers had opposed them they would not have been implemented.
Tory Leavers have supported cuts in funding to the navy, the coastguard and the UK border agency. They have also supported government fiscal and economic policies that depend on high levels of ongoing immigration and which disproportionately affect the poorest most negatively.
You have to admire their chutzpah and straight faces when they now complain about immigration - legal and illegal - and the fate of the least advantaged in society :-D
"How we lost the plot on immigration: As a one-legged Albanian drug dealing murderer gets citizenship, benefits and a home, two utterly decent and hardworking families face being expelled
The Zielsdorfs and their children face deportation to Canada, (pictured top right) while Australians Greg and Kathryn Brain and son Lachlan (pictured bottom right) fell foul of altered immigration rules - despite being invited to the UK. But a one-legged Albanian drug dealing double murderer (left) gets citizenship, a lovely house, £500 a week benefits and legal aid to use Human Rights to fight deportation. Two utterly decent families from kith and kin nations which fought for us in the war are being expelled..."
The deportations are happening as a result of policies that the Tory Leavers support. Or used to.
That pure rubbish Southam, and I'm no Tory supporter.
In what way is it rubbish? The Canadian and Australian families face deportation as a result of decisions made by the government.
Yes, that decision being to prioritise unskilled immigration from EU countries, at the expense of those with more skills from other countries. That's why we are having a referendum on EU membership.
Perhaps you can knock up a graph showing European unemployment over the last decade to show how much Remain care, or maybe a Greek Special.
Are you saying unemployment will go down in Europe if the UK leaves the EU? Tory Leavers are so worried about the plight of the poorest in society that they have enthusiastically supported policies that hurt the poorest in society most. In the same way, they are so concerned about preventing illegal immigration that they have supported major cuts to the navy and the coastguard. That's how much they care.
Cyclefree set out recently what a professional, coherent, immigration policy and system would look like. It also needs a Chancellor who backs it up. Your comment on the navy is a tiny example, a bigger one is a fully resourced border police. But, in Osborne we have someone who does not support the tens of thousands promise and it shows in the govt shambles in this area. Quite why Cameron let this all happen will be for his next biography to answer.
Tory Leavers have backed every single one of the Chancellor's budgets and the government's overall economic and fiscal policies.
Remain is the side of George Osborne and David Cameron.
It is the side that implements UK austerity whilst handing £25bn a year over to the EU and Overseas Aid.
Leave is the side that wants to direct that money to the UK.
As with Dave and George, I judge Tory Leavers on what they have and haven't done, rather than on what they say.
"How we lost the plot on immigration: As a one-legged Albanian drug dealing murderer gets citizenship, benefits and a home, two utterly decent and hardworking families face being expelled
The Zielsdorfs and their children face deportation to Canada, (pictured top right) while Australians Greg and Kathryn Brain and son Lachlan (pictured bottom right) fell foul of altered immigration rules - despite being invited to the UK. But a one-legged Albanian drug dealing double murderer (left) gets citizenship, a lovely house, £500 a week benefits and legal aid to use Human Rights to fight deportation. Two utterly decent families from kith and kin nations which fought for us in the war are being expelled..."
The deportations are happening as a result of policies that the Tory Leavers support. Or used to.
That pure rubbish Southam, and I'm no Tory supporter.
In what way is it rubbish? The Canadian and Australian families face deportation as a result of decisions made by the government.
Yes, that decision being to prioritise unskilled immigration from EU countries, at the expense of those with more skills from other countries. That's why we are having a referendum on EU membership.
It is hard to see the politicians and officials responsible for this, and I am reluctant to use such a strong word as this, as anything other than Traitors.
Perhaps you can knock up a graph showing European unemployment over the last decade to show how much Remain care, or maybe a Greek Special.
Are you saying unemployment will go down in Europe if the UK leaves the EU? Tory Leavers are so worried about the plight of the poorest in society that they have enthusiastically supported policies that hurt the poorest in society most. In the same way, they are so concerned about preventing illegal immigration that they have supported major cuts to the navy and the coastguard. That's how much they care.
Cyclefree set out recently what a professional, coherent, immigration policy and system would look like. It also needs a Chancellor who backs it up. Your comment on the navy is a tiny example, a bigger one is a fully resourced border police. But, in Osborne we have someone who does not support the tens of thousands promise and it shows in the govt shambles in this area. Quite why Cameron let this all happen will be for his next biography to answer.
Tory Leavers have backed every single one of the Chancellor's budgets and the government's overall economic and fiscal policies.
Remain is the side of George Osborne and David Cameron.
It is the side that implements UK austerity whilst handing £25bn a year over to the EU and Overseas Aid.
Leave is the side that wants to direct that money to the UK.
As with Dave and George, I judge Tory Leavers on what they have and haven't done, rather than on what they say.
Perhaps I should judge the Leader of the opposition on the same grounds. He keeps proposing policies but cant get them through parliament.
"How we lost the plot on immigration: As a one-legged Albanian drug dealing murderer gets citizenship, benefits and a home, two utterly decent and hardworking families face being expelled
The Zielsdorfs and their children face deportation to Canada, (pictured top right) while Australians Greg and Kathryn Brain and son Lachlan (pictured bottom right) fell foul of altered immigration rules - despite being invited to the UK. But a one-legged Albanian drug dealing double murderer (left) gets citizenship, a lovely house, £500 a week benefits and legal aid to use Human Rights to fight deportation. Two utterly decent families from kith and kin nations which fought for us in the war are being expelled..."
The deportations are happening as a result of policies that the Tory Leavers support. Or used to.
That pure rubbish Southam, and I'm no Tory supporter.
In what way is it rubbish? The Canadian and Australian families face deportation as a result of decisions made by the government.
Yes, that decision being to prioritise unskilled immigration from EU countries, at the expense of those with more skills from other countries. That's why we are having a referendum on EU membership.
Except the Albanian & Iraqui alleged criminals in the article are not from tbe EU.
Not hard to get the impression that elements in the Home Office get a kick out of deporting white English speaking churchgoing Christians of British ancestry.
"How we lost the plot on immigration: As a one-legged Albanian drug dealing murderer gets citizenship, benefits and a home, two utterly decent and hardworking families face being expelled
The Zielsdorfs and their children face deportation to Canada, (pictured top right) while Australians Greg and Kathryn Brain and son Lachlan (pictured bottom right) fell foul of altered immigration rules - despite being invited to the UK. But a one-legged Albanian drug dealing double murderer (left) gets citizenship, a lovely house, £500 a week benefits and legal aid to use Human Rights to fight deportation. Two utterly decent families from kith and kin nations which fought for us in the war are being expelled..."
The deportations are happening as a result of policies that the Tory Leavers support. Or used to.
That pure rubbish Southam, and I'm no Tory supporter.
In what way is it rubbish? The Canadian and Australian families face deportation as a result of decisions made by the government.
Yes, that decision being to prioritise unskilled immigration from EU countries, at the expense of those with more skills from other countries. That's why we are having a referendum on EU membership.
Are you saying that if we vote to Leave people that flout the terms of their UK visas will be allowed to remain in the UK? Or is it that we will make visa requirements less stringent?
Perhaps you can knock up a graph showing European unemployment over the last decade to show how much Remain care, or maybe a Greek Special.
Are you saying unemployment will go down in Europe if the UK leaves the EU? Tory Leavers are so worried about the plight of the poorest in society that they have enthusiastically supported policies that hurt the poorest in society most. In the same way, they are so concerned about preventing illegal immigration that they have supported major cuts to the navy and the coastguard. That's how much they care.
Cyclefree set out recently what a professional, coherent, immigration policy and system would look like. It also needs a Chancellor who backs it up. Your comment on the navy is a tiny example, a bigger one is a fully resourced border police. But, in Osborne we have someone who does not support the tens of thousands promise and it shows in the govt shambles in this area. Quite why Cameron let this all happen will be for his next biography to answer.
Tory Leavers have backed every single one of the Chancellor's budgets and the government's overall economic and fiscal policies.
Remain is the side of George Osborne and David Cameron.
It is the side that implements UK austerity whilst handing £25bn a year over to the EU and Overseas Aid.
Leave is the side that wants to direct that money to the UK.
As with Dave and George, I judge Tory Leavers on what they have and haven't done, rather than on what they say.
Perhaps I should judge the Leader of the opposition on the same grounds. He keeps proposing policies but cant get them through parliament.
I am all for judging Corbyn on his deeds. That's why I regard him as electoral poison.
Perhaps you can knock up a graph showing European unemployment over the last decade to show how much Remain care, or maybe a Greek Special.
Are you saying unemployment will go down in Europe if the UK leaves the EU? Tory Leavers are so worried about the plight of the poorest in society that they have enthusiastically supported policies that hurt the poorest in society most. In the same way, they are so concerned about preventing illegal immigration that they have supported major cuts to the navy and the coastguard. That's how much they care.
Cyclefree set out recently what a professional, coherent, immigration policy and system would look like. It also needs a Chancellor who backs it up. Your comment on the navy is a tiny example, a bigger one is a fully resourced border police. But, in Osborne we have someone who does not support the tens of thousands promise and it shows in the govt shambles in this area. Quite why Cameron let this all happen will be for his next biography to answer.
Tory Leavers have backed every single one of the Chancellor's budgets and the government's overall economic and fiscal policies.
Which tory leavers have supported all Osborne's budgets? Not I . I attacked Osborne for his part time chancellor work.
It is the tory remainers that seem to be Osborne's BFFs on here. Please reassess your view.
"How we lost the plot on immigration: As a one-legged Albanian drug dealing murderer gets citizenship, benefits and a home, two utterly decent and hardworking families face being expelled
The Zielsdorfs and their children face deportation to Canada, (pictured top right) while Australians Greg and Kathryn Brain and son Lachlan (pictured bottom right) fell foul of altered immigration rules - despite being invited to the UK. But a one-legged Albanian drug dealing double murderer (left) gets citizenship, a lovely house, £500 a week benefits and legal aid to use Human Rights to fight deportation. Two utterly decent families from kith and kin nations which fought for us in the war are being expelled..."
The deportations are happening as a result of policies that the Tory Leavers support. Or used to.
That pure rubbish Southam, and I'm no Tory supporter.
In what way is it rubbish? The Canadian and Australian families face deportation as a result of decisions made by the government.
Yes, that decision being to prioritise unskilled immigration from EU countries, at the expense of those with more skills from other countries. That's why we are having a referendum on EU membership.
Are you saying that if we vote to Leave people that flout the terms of their UK visas will be allowed to remain in the UK? Or is it that we will make visa requirements less stringent?
No that people.from places like Australia and Canada will get the rights to work and live here instead of people from far away countries of which we know little but happen to have joined the EU.
Perhaps you can knock up a graph showing European unemployment over the last decade to show how much Remain care, or maybe a Greek Special.
Are you saying unemployment will go down in Europe if the UK leaves the EU? Tory Leavers are so worried about the plight of the poorest in society that they have enthusiastically supported policies that hurt the poorest in society most. In the same way, they are so concerned about preventing illegal immigration that they have supported major cuts to the navy and the coastguard. That's how much they care.
Cyclefree set out recently what a professional, coherent, immigration policy and system would look like. It also needs a Chancellor who backs it up. Your comment on the navy is a tiny example, a bigger one is a fully resourced border police. But, in Osborne we have someone who does not support the tens of thousands promise and it shows in the govt shambles in this area. Quite why Cameron let this all happen will be for his next biography to answer.
Tory Leavers have backed every single one of the Chancellor's budgets and the government's overall economic and fiscal policies.
Remain is the side of George Osborne and David Cameron.
It is the side that implements UK austerity whilst handing £25bn a year over to the EU and Overseas Aid.
Leave is the side that wants to direct that money to the UK.
As with Dave and George, I judge Tory Leavers on what they have and haven't done, rather than on what they say.
Frozen council tax, cut fuel duty on car fuels, frozen the TV tax, raised the personal allowance for low paid workers, overseen big increases in the minimum wage. Millions more in employment.
"How we lost the plot on immigration: As a one-legged Albanian drug dealing murderer gets citizenship, benefits and a home, two utterly decent and hardworking families face being expelled
The Zielsdorfs and their children face deportation to Canada, (pictured top right) while Australians Greg and Kathryn Brain and son Lachlan (pictured bottom right) fell foul of altered immigration rules - despite being invited to the UK. But a one-legged Albanian drug dealing double murderer (left) gets citizenship, a lovely house, £500 a week benefits and legal aid to use Human Rights to fight deportation. Two utterly decent families from kith and kin nations which fought for us in the war are being expelled..."
The deportations are happening as a result of policies that the Tory Leavers support. Or used to.
That pure rubbish Southam, and I'm no Tory supporter.
In what way is it rubbish? The Canadian and Australian families face deportation as a result of decisions made by the government.
Yes, that decision being to prioritise unskilled immigration from EU countries, at the expense of those with more skills from other countries. That's why we are having a referendum on EU membership.
Except the Albanian & Iraqui alleged criminals in the article are not from tbe EU.
Not hard to get the impression that elements in the Home Office get a kick out of deporting white English speaking churchgoing Christians of British ancestry.
I've seen it mentioned many times here and elsewhere that the HOffice are screwing down on non-EU migration as it's the only lever they have. All the nonsense about bringing in your entire family, not deporting those whose spouse was the qualifier anchor et al.
It's a complete mess and needs tearing up and starting again without all the pressures of bizarre Article 8 decisions.
"How we lost the plot on immigration: As a one-legged Albanian drug dealing murderer gets citizenship, benefits and a home, two utterly decent and hardworking families face being expelled
The Zielsdorfs and their children face deportation to Canada, (pictured top right) while Australians Greg and Kathryn Brain and son Lachlan (pictured bottom right) fell foul of altered immigration rules - despite being invited to the UK. But a one-legged Albanian drug dealing double murderer (left) gets citizenship, a lovely house, £500 a week benefits and legal aid to use Human Rights to fight deportation. Two utterly decent families from kith and kin nations which fought for us in the war are being expelled..."
The deportations are happening as a result of policies that the Tory Leavers support. Or used to.
That pure rubbish Southam, and I'm no Tory supporter.
In what way is it rubbish? The Canadian and Australian families face deportation as a result of decisions made by the government.
Yes, that decision being to prioritise unskilled immigration from EU countries, at the expense of those with more skills from other countries. That's why we are having a referendum on EU membership.
Except the Albanian & Iraqui alleged criminals in the article are not from tbe EU.
Not hard to get the impression that elements in the Home Office get a kick out of deporting white English speaking churchgoing Christians of British ancestry.
I've seen it mentioned many times here and elsewhere that the HOffice are screwing down on non-EU migration as it's the only lever they have. All the nonsense about bringing in your entire family, not deporting those whose spouse was the qualifier anchor et al.
It's a complete mess and needs tearing up and starting again without all the pressures of bizarre Article 8 decisions.
Which is where Cyclefree's articIe is so appropriate.
"How we lost the plot on immigration: As a one-legged Albanian drug dealing murderer gets citizenship, benefits and a home, two utterly decent and hardworking families face being expelled
The Zielsdorfs and their children face deportation to Canada, (pictured top right) while Australians Greg and Kathryn Brain and son Lachlan (pictured bottom right) fell foul of altered immigration rules - despite being invited to the UK. But a one-legged Albanian drug dealing double murderer (left) gets citizenship, a lovely house, £500 a week benefits and legal aid to use Human Rights to fight deportation. Two utterly decent families from kith and kin nations which fought for us in the war are being expelled..."
The deportations are happening as a result of policies that the Tory Leavers support. Or used to.
That pure rubbish Southam, and I'm no Tory supporter.
In what way is it rubbish? The Canadian and Australian families face deportation as a result of decisions made by the government.
Yes, that decision being to prioritise unskilled immigration from EU countries, at the expense of those with more skills from other countries. That's why we are having a referendum on EU membership.
Are you saying that if we vote to Leave people that flout the terms of their UK visas will be allowed to remain in the UK? Or is it that we will make visa requirements less stringent?
No that people.from places like Australia and Canada will get the rights to work and live here instead of people from far away countries of which we know little but happen to have joined the EU.
As I understand it, Leave is promising substantially less immigration overall. That means less from outside the EU too. And those two families are being deported because they flouted their visa terms. Those terms may be far too stringent, I think they are, but they are not going to get any more liberal if the overall aim is to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands a year.
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EU - Canada trade deal still in doubt after seven years. Canada has a GDP comparable to 14 EU nations combined.
Romania (GDP $189bn) prominent in impeding UK in striking deal with Canada (GDP $1.8TN).
It also suggests 55% of those questioned think EU migration has been bad for the NHS, while 67% believe it has put pressure on housing.
The fact is that much to my surprise Leave is taking the edge., despite the Leave Campaign being lead by Tory leavers of all hues.
It is the side that implements UK austerity whilst handing £25bn a year over to the EU and Overseas Aid.
Leave is the side that wants to direct that money to the UK.
You have to admire their chutzpah and straight faces when they now complain about immigration - legal and illegal - and the fate of the least advantaged in society :-D
That's why we are having a referendum on EU membership.
Not hard to get the impression that elements in the Home Office get a kick out of deporting white English speaking churchgoing Christians of British ancestry.
(But in the spirit of Brexit let's not be slaves to the French language!)
It is the tory remainers that seem to be Osborne's BFFs on here. Please reassess your view.
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It's a complete mess and needs tearing up and starting again without all the pressures of bizarre Article 8 decisions.