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Yes, but they are footballers...foxinsoxuk said:
Marcin Waselewski and Christian Fuchs were doing autographs in the Leicester Childrens hospital the other week. Very popular they were too.BenedictWhite said:
I've never seen an immigrant turn up to a children's hospital to sign autographs...taffys said:On immigration, Voters are like football fans. They don;t care where the F the person comes from, what colour/religion/race he is, as long as he gives 110% , doesn;t get sent off too often and turns up to sign autographs at the local children's hospital every now and then.
Not saying they don't, just that I've not seen it.
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...0 -
Very tight in Austria
Green candidate has overtaken FPO but margins of error are all over the place.
Vote might not be decided until Monday when postal votes get counted.0 -
Albania, now Greenland... Leaves's continuous asserting of Britain's insignificance in the world depresses me.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Exit polls said was too close to callAlanbrooke said:Very tight in Austria
Green candidate has overtaken FPO but margins of error are all over the place.
Vote might not be decided until Monday when postal votes get counted.
'An Austrian public TV exit poll gave Mr Hofer 50.2% of the vote and 49.8% to Mr van der Bellen, with a margin of error of two percentage points.
Another exit poll quoted by Die Presse daily gave the Freedom Party candidate 50.9% to 49.1% for the independent. The margin of error for that poll was unclear.'
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To be cynical, it was a mistake because those groups are almost certainly already in the bag.TheScreamingEagles said:Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-backed-brexit-group-80254890 -
I think it was the only time a current EC or EU member (Greenland joined in 1973 along with Denmark and the other Danish territories) succesfully "deserted", to quote Jean-Claude.Casino_Royale said:0 -
Mr. HYUFD, thanks for those figures.
I wonder if there'll be a shy factor and Hofer will do a little better.
Mr. M, that's quite right, however, I suspect that the majority of Remain-leaning chaps and ladies will be thinking that *is* what they're voting for (even though it is not).0 -
result I quoted was based on latest projection. MoE +/-1.6 %HYUFD said:
Exit polls said was too close to callAlanbrooke said:Very tight in Austria
Green candidate has overtaken FPO but margins of error are all over the place.
Vote might not be decided until Monday when postal votes get counted.
'An Austrian public TV exit poll gave Mr Hofer 50.2% of the vote and 49.8% to Mr van der Bellen, with a margin of error of two percentage points.
Another exit poll quoted by Die Presse daily gave the Freedom Party candidate 50.9% to 49.1% for the independent. The margin of error for that poll was unclear.'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36353200
it could be anyone. Count probably favouring the Green atm as cities are counting faster than the countryside which is more for FPO0 -
Many of our non-celebrity immigrants write autographs in hospitals all the time: in the medical notes, in the nursing care plan, on prescriptions etc etc :-)BenedictWhite said:
Yes, but they are footballers...foxinsoxuk said:
Marcin Waselewski and Christian Fuchs were doing autographs in the Leicester Childrens hospital the other week. Very popular they were too.BenedictWhite said:
I've never seen an immigrant turn up to a children's hospital to sign autographs...taffys said:On immigration, Voters are like football fans. They don;t care where the F the person comes from, what colour/religion/race he is, as long as he gives 110% , doesn;t get sent off too often and turns up to sign autographs at the local children's hospital every now and then.
Not saying they don't, just that I've not seen it.
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...
On the subject of the Turkish hordes I see the the lineup has been announced for tonights "friendly".
A short drone strike may be in order to keep Jonny Turk off the sacred English turf of the Emirates *.Stadium
* (note: sounds suspiciously foreign; best check that it is in England)0 -
Er? What are you talking about?Stark_Dawning said:
Albania, now Greenland... Leaves's continuous asserting of Britain's insignificance in the world depresses me.Sunil_Prasannan said:
He was merely pointing out the result of the last referendum on a country in the EU leaving it.
It's the remainers thinking we can't be great outside of the EU that depress me, Little Europeans.0 -
Algeria was in the EU until 1962.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I think it was the only time a current EC or EU member (Greenland joined in 1973 along with Denmark and the other Danish territories) succesfully "deserted", to quote Jean-Claude.Casino_Royale said:0 -
Unfortunately my crystal ball is a bit foggy on that one!Morris_Dancer said:Welcome to pb.com, Miss Anna.
If Greece were to default, is there a probable time frame, or would it come more or less out of the blue?
An analyst from Standard & Poor's said that they would reduce Britain's credit rating by a notch or two post Brexit due to short term uncertainty (reducing us to the level of such basket cases as the USA). When he was asked what would happen to French and German sovereign ratings, he wasn't able to give assurances. Concerns were raised by other panelists that up to 10 countries might have similar referenda to leave the EU in the event of a Brexit which would basically break the Euro as a project.
After that panel, some of the treasurers I spoke to were rethinking their hedging requirements of GBP/EUR post-Brexit. Most initially thought GBP would depreciate against EUR, they suddenly weren't so sure...0 -
LOL!foxinsoxuk said:
Many of our non-celebrity immigrants write autographs in hospitals all the time: in the medical notes, in the nursing care plan, on prescriptions etc etc :-)BenedictWhite said:
Yes, but they are footballers...foxinsoxuk said:
Marcin Waselewski and Christian Fuchs were doing autographs in the Leicester Childrens hospital the other week. Very popular they were too.BenedictWhite said:
I've never seen an immigrant turn up to a children's hospital to sign autographs...taffys said:On immigration, Voters are like football fans. They don;t care where the F the person comes from, what colour/religion/race he is, as long as he gives 110% , doesn;t get sent off too often and turns up to sign autographs at the local children's hospital every now and then.
Not saying they don't, just that I've not seen it.
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...
On the subject of the Turkish hordes I see the the lineup has been announced for tonights "friendly".
A short drone strike may be in order to keep Jonny Turk off the sacred English turf of the Emirates *.Stadium
* (note: sounds suspiciously foreign; best check that it is in England)
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Of course, Guernsey and Jersey are not in the EU, despite being British crown dependencies.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I think it was the only time a current EC or EU member (Greenland joined in 1973 along with Denmark and the other Danish territories) succesfully "deserted", to quote Jean-Claude.Casino_Royale said:
Lucky it didn't start WWIII.0 -
It certainly exposes Leave's 'What would Hitler do' rhetoric as entirely bogus, if they're trying to cosy up to his demographic.TheScreamingEagles said:Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-backed-brexit-group-80254890 -
They didn't hold a referendum to leave. They held a war.foxinsoxuk said:
Algeria was in the EU until 1962.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I think it was the only time a current EC or EU member (Greenland joined in 1973 along with Denmark and the other Danish territories) succesfully "deserted", to quote Jean-Claude.Casino_Royale said:0 -
Will be clear in a few hours I expectMorris_Dancer said:Mr. HYUFD, thanks for those figures.
I wonder if there'll be a shy factor and Hofer will do a little better.
Mr. M, that's quite right, however, I suspect that the majority of Remain-leaning chaps and ladies will be thinking that *is* what they're voting for (even though it is not).0 -
Yes will need to wait for rural areasAlanbrooke said:
result I quoted was based on latest projection. MoE +/-1.6 %HYUFD said:
Exit polls said was too close to callAlanbrooke said:Very tight in Austria
Green candidate has overtaken FPO but margins of error are all over the place.
Vote might not be decided until Monday when postal votes get counted.
'An Austrian public TV exit poll gave Mr Hofer 50.2% of the vote and 49.8% to Mr van der Bellen, with a margin of error of two percentage points.
Another exit poll quoted by Die Presse daily gave the Freedom Party candidate 50.9% to 49.1% for the independent. The margin of error for that poll was unclear.'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36353200
it could be anyone. Count probably favouring the Green atm as cities are counting faster than the countryside which is more for FPO0 -
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Back a turnout of 50% - 60% at 3.75, staking 34.78%
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A turnout of anything between 50% - 70% produces a profitable return of 30.44%. Rather more attractive in my view than simply backing REMAIN for a 22% return.
DYOR.0 -
Welcome to pb.com, Anna. Very interesting inaugural posts.Anna said:
Unfortunately my crystal ball is a bit foggy on that one!Morris_Dancer said:Welcome to pb.com, Miss Anna.
If Greece were to default, is there a probable time frame, or would it come more or less out of the blue?
An analyst from Standard & Poor's said that they would reduce Britain's credit rating by a notch or two post Brexit due to short term uncertainty (reducing us to the level of such basket cases as the USA). When he was asked what would happen to French and German sovereign ratings, he wasn't able to give assurances. Concerns were raised by other panelists that up to 10 countries might have similar referenda to leave the EU in the event of a Brexit which would basically break the Euro as a project.
After that panel, some of the treasurers I spoke to were rethinking their hedging requirements of GBP/EUR post-Brexit. Most initially thought GBP would depreciate against EUR, they suddenly weren't so sure...0 -
Miss Anna, thanks for that interesting response
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Interesting. The EU/Euro breaking up seems the only route to reform which is a shame.Anna said:
Unfortunately my crystal ball is a bit foggy on that one!Morris_Dancer said:Welcome to pb.com, Miss Anna.
If Greece were to default, is there a probable time frame, or would it come more or less out of the blue?
An analyst from Standard & Poor's said that they would reduce Britain's credit rating by a notch or two post Brexit due to short term uncertainty (reducing us to the level of such basket cases as the USA). When he was asked what would happen to French and German sovereign ratings, he wasn't able to give assurances. Concerns were raised by other panelists that up to 10 countries might have similar referenda to leave the EU in the event of a Brexit which would basically break the Euro as a project.
After that panel, some of the treasurers I spoke to were rethinking their hedging requirements of GBP/EUR post-Brexit. Most initially thought GBP would depreciate against EUR, they suddenly weren't so sure...
The problem is people like Juncker like rubbing peoples noses in its lack of democracy and aloofness.0 -
Algeria fought a long-drawn out civil war to secede from France. Greenland is still part of the Kingdom of Denmark.foxinsoxuk said:
Algeria was in the EU until 1962.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I think it was the only time a current EC or EU member (Greenland joined in 1973 along with Denmark and the other Danish territories) succesfully "deserted", to quote Jean-Claude.Casino_Royale said:0 -
I'm pretty sure GBP/USD will go pear-shaped, but GBP/EUR could go up, down or sideways.Anna said:
Unfortunately my crystal ball is a bit foggy on that one!Morris_Dancer said:Welcome to pb.com, Miss Anna.
If Greece were to default, is there a probable time frame, or would it come more or less out of the blue?
An analyst from Standard & Poor's said that they would reduce Britain's credit rating by a notch or two post Brexit due to short term uncertainty (reducing us to the level of such basket cases as the USA). When he was asked what would happen to French and German sovereign ratings, he wasn't able to give assurances. Concerns were raised by other panelists that up to 10 countries might have similar referenda to leave the EU in the event of a Brexit which would basically break the Euro as a project.
After that panel, some of the treasurers I spoke to were rethinking their hedging requirements of GBP/EUR post-Brexit. Most initially thought GBP would depreciate against EUR, they suddenly weren't so sure...
(Oh, welcome to the party. You'll get your hammer and badge in the post. You do have the option to run away now before the board gets inside your head, btw... ) 0 -
Latest projection now has both candidates on 50%0
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I am not a fan of insults in general. I think they actually demean the user more than the target.Plato_Says said:
That said, Tom Conti's reaction is, how shall I put it, pathetically self-pitying in about as un-self-aware manner as possible. I'd suggest he live in parts of SE Washington DC or some 'hoods in Baltimore or Richmond and then compare how it feels to be called a Luvvie vs a n*gger. The one 'insult' implies wealth and status and evokes envy. The other, not so much.
Or yid. Perhaps he'd like to live through a pogrom and compare his life to that.
Words have associations. Those associated with 'luvvie' really aren't that bad. I suspect many using the word would actually be quite happy to swap places.0 -
Maybe that's what Cameron was going on about?BenedictWhite said:
They didn't hold a referendum to leave. They held a war.foxinsoxuk said:
Algeria was in the EU until 1962.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I think it was the only time a current EC or EU member (Greenland joined in 1973 along with Denmark and the other Danish territories) succesfully "deserted", to quote Jean-Claude.Casino_Royale said:0 -
Another example of trying to work out the real news from a daily mash creation & failing...it's just too hard these days to spot the spoofs!Plato_Says said:0 -
Thanks viewcode and all for being so welcoming! It's been 10 years since I had the time to post on here - great to see so many people still around. I've missed JackW's ARSE ;-)viewcode said:
I'm pretty sure GBP/USD will go pear-shaped, but GBP/EUR could go up, down or sideways.Anna said:
Unfortunately my crystal ball is a bit foggy on that one!Morris_Dancer said:Welcome to pb.com, Miss Anna.
If Greece were to default, is there a probable time frame, or would it come more or less out of the blue?
An analyst from Standard & Poor's said that they would reduce Britain's credit rating by a notch or two post Brexit due to short term uncertainty (reducing us to the level of such basket cases as the USA). When he was asked what would happen to French and German sovereign ratings, he wasn't able to give assurances. Concerns were raised by other panelists that up to 10 countries might have similar referenda to leave the EU in the event of a Brexit which would basically break the Euro as a project.
After that panel, some of the treasurers I spoke to were rethinking their hedging requirements of GBP/EUR post-Brexit. Most initially thought GBP would depreciate against EUR, they suddenly weren't so sure...
(Oh, welcome to the party. You'll get your hammer and badge in the post. You do have the option to run away now before the board gets inside your head, btw... )0 -
I guess PB REMAINERs are going to support Turkey in the footy just about to begin 0
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Has the dye in his Parachute Regiment beret run?Plato_Says said:0 -
That would though be a old and unusual RCF I suspect. The cannot go negative drafting has been part of the LMA suite for some time and dates back, I think to CHF negative rates. That Treasurer might also note the disconnect between her borrowing at negative rates and then complaining about bank solvency risk. Cake and eating.Anna said:I was at the Association of Corporate Treasurers annual conference this week. Brexit was one of the main debated issues, but the biggest uncertainty on most treasurers' minds is the Eurozone crisis and whether Greece will actually default.
The ECB creating negative interest rates is causing big problems across the economy in Europe - one treasurer of a services company has drawn down a revolving credit facility from her bank and is being paid for having taken the loan (negative interest rate). The only problem is, she doesn't trust the solvency of pretty much any bank to put the cash on deposit with them.0 -
Straight outta tunbridge wells, crazy motherf##ker named Conti
From the gang called Luuvies With Attitude...
Not sure it has quite the same ring to it...0 -
Miss Anna, I just missed you the first time (joined in 2007).0
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LOLSunil_Prasannan said:I guess PB REMAINERs are going to support Turkey in the footy just about to begin
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The FPO guy is now 0.25% ahead. However, 14% of the electorate votes by post and will be counted tomorrow. In the first round, the Green candidate did markedly better in the postal votes than overall, so there's speculation that he'll win - the FPO is already grumbling about postal votes.Alanbrooke said:Very tight in Austria
Green candidate has overtaken FPO but margins of error are all over the place.
Vote might not be decided until Monday when postal votes get counted.0 -
We shall be supporting the EU team against the non-EU team :-)Sunil_Prasannan said:I guess PB REMAINERs are going to support Turkey in the footy just about to begin
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The projections on ORF say they include postal votes Ss at 18.03 projection it was 50-50 with 0.9% MOE.NickPalmer said:
The FPO guy is now 0.25% ahead. However, 14% of the electorate votes by post and will be counted tomorrow. In the first round, the Green candidate did markedly better in the postal votes than overall, so there's speculation that he'll win - the FPO is already grumbling about postal votes.Alanbrooke said:Very tight in Austria
Green candidate has overtaken FPO but margins of error are all over the place.
Vote might not be decided until Monday when postal votes get counted.
Whichever way you look at it this will need a full count.0 -
Gooooooooalllllllllllllllll - Harry kane0
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Draw down in USD and swap to EUR et voila....matt said:
That would though be a old and unusual RCF I suspect. The cannot go negative drafting has been part of the LMA suite for some time and dates back, I think to CHF negative rates. That Treasurer might also note the disconnect between her borrowing at negative rates and then complaining about bank solvency risk. Cake and eating.Anna said:I was at the Association of Corporate Treasurers annual conference this week. Brexit was one of the main debated issues, but the biggest uncertainty on most treasurers' minds is the Eurozone crisis and whether Greece will actually default.
The ECB creating negative interest rates is causing big problems across the economy in Europe - one treasurer of a services company has drawn down a revolving credit facility from her bank and is being paid for having taken the loan (negative interest rate). The only problem is, she doesn't trust the solvency of pretty much any bank to put the cash on deposit with them.
Most corporates also try to reject the LIBOR floor in loan documents because it creates a nightmare with hedge accounting rules and any associated swap. Not everyone manages to get it removed, but the larger corporates have the leverage with the bank (forgive the pun...)0 -
1-0 to England
Kane!0 -
That England forward line looks frightening. Unfortunately so do their defence.0
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Trumped! (+2)HYUFD said:NBC news poll
Clinton 46 Trump 43
Sanders 54 Trump 39
'Trump and Clinton are currently the two most unpopular likely presidential nominees in the history of the NBC/WSJ poll.
Thirty four percent of registered voters have a positive opinion of Clinton, versus 54 percent who have a negative opinion (-20) — a slight uptick from her minus-24 score last month.
Trump’s rating is even worse than Clinton’s: Twenty nine percent have a positive opinion of him, while 58 percent have a negative opinion (-29) — an improvement from his minus-41 score in April.
“This has never been matched, or even close to being matched,” Democratic pollster Peter Hart, who conducted the survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff, says of these negative ratings for Trump and Clinton.
Forty Seven Percent Would Consider a Third-Party Candidate
Asked if they would consider a third-party candidate if Clinton and Trump were the major party nominees, 47 percent of registered voters say yes — a higher percentage than those who said yes on a similar question in 2008 and 2012.'
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/clinton-s-lead-over-trump-shrinks-3-points-new-nbc-n577726
ABC/Post 5/16 - 5/19
829 Registered Voters
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Welcome back Anna, I only startedAnna said:
Thanks viewcode and all for being so welcoming! It's been 10 years since I had the time to post on here - great to see so many people still around. I've missed JackW's ARSE ;-)viewcode said:
I'm pretty sure GBP/USD will go pear-shaped, but GBP/EUR could go up, down or sideways.Anna said:
Unfortunately my crystal ball is a bit foggy on that one!Morris_Dancer said:Welcome to pb.com, Miss Anna.
If Greece were to default, is there a probable time frame, or would it come more or less out of the blue?
An analyst from Standard & Poor's said that they would reduce Britain's credit rating by a notch or two post Brexit due to short term uncertainty (reducing us to the level of such basket cases as the USA). When he was asked what would happen to French and German sovereign ratings, he wasn't able to give assurances. Concerns were raised by other panelists that up to 10 countries might have similar referenda to leave the EU in the event of a Brexit which would basically break the Euro as a project.
After that panel, some of the treasurers I spoke to were rethinking their hedging requirements of GBP/EUR post-Brexit. Most initially thought GBP would depreciate against EUR, they suddenly weren't so sure...
(Oh, welcome to the party. You'll get your hammer and badge in the post. You do have the option to run away now before the board gets inside your head, btw... )trollingposting on here in 2009.0 -
The TTIP is unlikely to reach ratification stage during his time in power in any case.Casino_Royale said:If he wins TTIP might be off.
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Most kind ....Anna said:Thanks viewcode and all for being so welcoming! It's been 10 years since I had the time to post on here - great to see so many people still around. I've missed JackW's ARSE ;-)
Bloody Johnny-Come-Lately ....Morris_Dancer said:Miss Anna, I just missed you the first time (joined in 2007).
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Oh no!!!
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Turkey level.0
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Terrible defending by England.0
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DW it's a bonus for Leave. lol.Sunil_Prasannan said:Oh no!!!
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Mr. W, I arrived precisely when I intended.0
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Austria:
Results (Tirol, Lower Austria, Vienna all to come plus postals to be added in):
http://wahl16.bmi.gv.at/index.html
Livestream:
http://tvthek.orf.at/live/Bundespraesidentenwahl-Stichwahl-um-die-Hofburg/12775055
Map:
http://visual.apa.at/presidential/
Last TV proj was 50/50, note that pretty much all of the rural areas finished counting first, we are just waiting on Vienna, Innsbruck, and one district in Lower Austria now).
Thanks!
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Mr. Carpet, good to see you on
I checked Twitter a moment ago. Lots of reports after 97% counted the tally is 50/50 (Green chap just 3,000 votes ahead).0 -
Luvvie.FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
I'd be very surprised if it were ten. The obvious EU-leavers (other than us) are:Anna said:
Unfortunately my crystal ball is a bit foggy on that one!Morris_Dancer said:Welcome to pb.com, Miss Anna.
If Greece were to default, is there a probable time frame, or would it come more or less out of the blue?
An analyst from Standard & Poor's said that they would reduce Britain's credit rating by a notch or two post Brexit due to short term uncertainty (reducing us to the level of such basket cases as the USA). When he was asked what would happen to French and German sovereign ratings, he wasn't able to give assurances. Concerns were raised by other panelists that up to 10 countries might have similar referenda to leave the EU in the event of a Brexit which would basically break the Euro as a project.
After that panel, some of the treasurers I spoke to were rethinking their hedging requirements of GBP/EUR post-Brexit. Most initially thought GBP would depreciate against EUR, they suddenly weren't so sure...
1. Sweden & Denmark - not in the Eurozone, not going to join.
2. Poland - constant arguments with the EZ, not in the Eurozone. But dependent on foreign remittances, and aid.
Longer shots:
1. Greece - post Grexit
2. Italy - where disatisfaction with the Euro is very high
Unlikely Leavers
1. The Netherlands. People think that because the PVV is leading in the polls that the Netherlands is very Eurosceptic. But the internals on PVV support show it as mostly anti-Muslim immigration rather than anti-EU. (More than half of PVV supporters agree with the statement "The Euro is good for the Netherlands".)
2. France. Marion Marechel-Le Pen has been giving speeches about the EU being the Christian front in the war against Islam. If she were to take over from Marine, then the FN's whole pitch would change markedly.0 -
Compared to your reputation that was something of a triumph for you ....Morris_Dancer said:Mr. W, I arrived precisely when I intended.
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...and here's the prediction from the main TV company, taking into account the expected share of postal votes...
http://orf.at/wahl/bp16/
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Seems a bit offensive & uncalled for ;-)SandyRentool said:
Luvvie.FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Mr. W, one simply does not know what you mean.0
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Since when were British people 'his demographic'?Stark_Dawning said:
It certainly exposes Leave's 'What would Hitler do' rhetoric as entirely bogus, if they're trying to cosy up to his demographic.TheScreamingEagles said:Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-backed-brexit-group-80254890 -
JackW has never had relations with that party .... let alone inhaled.MikeK said:It's just that Cameron is a day to day BAREFACED LIAR. He can't help it, it's in the blood. He lies every day. Almost daily he contradicts himself. Most of the Tory Party are absolutely sick of it: except perhaps JackW and TSE.
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Tee hee @Stark_Bonkers walks into it every time.VapidBilge said:
Since when were British people 'his demographic'?Stark_Dawning said:
It certainly exposes Leave's 'What would Hitler do' rhetoric as entirely bogus, if they're trying to cosy up to his demographic.TheScreamingEagles said:Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-backed-brexit-group-80254890 -
http://i64.tinypic.com/5ouvjd.jpgMikeK said:Good evening.
And now the burning question of the hour. Who is @Anna?
Morris claims it's Miss Anna. Or is it Mrs Anna? Ms Anna? Mr Anna? or Transgender Anna?
Anna, come clean.0 -
I would bend the knee, but my arthritis won't let me.Anna said:
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Turkey pretty dirty for a friendly. Need to be careful not to get players injured or lose their temper.0
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Well, that's cleared that up then...NickPalmer said:...and here's the prediction from the main TV company, taking into account the expected share of postal votes...
http://orf.at/wahl/bp16/
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Never were members. Unfold memories of WWII.Casino_Royale said:
Of course, Guernsey and Jersey are not in the EU, despite being British crown dependencies.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I think it was the only time a current EC or EU member (Greenland joined in 1973 along with Denmark and the other Danish territories) succesfully "deserted", to quote Jean-Claude.Casino_Royale said:
Lucky it didn't start WWIII.0 -
For a long time, I thought JackW was the nom-de-pb of a Tory grandee who'd served under Mrs Thatcher; though if I am right, there must be a ouija board involved.JackW said:
JackW has never had relations with that party .... let alone inhaled.MikeK said:It's just that Cameron is a day to day BAREFACED LIAR. He can't help it, it's in the blood. He lies every day. Almost daily he contradicts himself. Most of the Tory Party are absolutely sick of it: except perhaps JackW and TSE.
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ROFLMAO.AlastairMeeks said:
http://i64.tinypic.com/5ouvjd.jpgMikeK said:Good evening.
And now the burning question of the hour. Who is @Anna?
Morris claims it's Miss Anna. Or is it Mrs Anna? Ms Anna? Mr Anna? or Transgender Anna?
Anna, come clean.0 -
A bit late for that; Özil regularly plays there for Arsenal.foxinsoxuk said:
Many of our non-celebrity immigrants write autographs in hospitals all the time: in the medical notes, in the nursing care plan, on prescriptions etc etc :-)BenedictWhite said:
Yes, but they are footballers...foxinsoxuk said:
Marcin Waselewski and Christian Fuchs were doing autographs in the Leicester Childrens hospital the other week. Very popular they were too.BenedictWhite said:
I've never seen an immigrant turn up to a children's hospital to sign autographs...taffys said:On immigration, Voters are like football fans. They don;t care where the F the person comes from, what colour/religion/race he is, as long as he gives 110% , doesn;t get sent off too often and turns up to sign autographs at the local children's hospital every now and then.
Not saying they don't, just that I've not seen it.
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...
On the subject of the Turkish hordes I see the the lineup has been announced for tonights "friendly".
A short drone strike may be in order to keep Jonny Turk off the sacred English turf of the Emirates *.Stadium
* (note: sounds suspiciously foreign; best check that it is in England)0 -
Schwankungsbreite0
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You're equating the British people with the BNP? That's an outrageous slur. I realize you've fashioned yourself as some kind of Leave 'attack dog', but I'm afraid you're coming over as more keen that capable. Come back in a couple of months, and I'll assess whether there's any sign of improvement.VapidBilge said:
Since when were British people 'his demographic'?Stark_Dawning said:
It certainly exposes Leave's 'What would Hitler do' rhetoric as entirely bogus, if they're trying to cosy up to his demographic.TheScreamingEagles said:Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-backed-brexit-group-80254890 -
So, Trump ahead in three of the last five polls...0
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Well, that's what the B stands for, isn't it?Stark_Dawning said:
You're equating the British people with the BNP? That's an outrageous slur. I realize you've fashioned yourself as some kind of Leave 'attack dog', but I'm afraid you're coming over as more keen that capable. Come back in a couple of months, and I'll assess whether there's any sign of improvement.VapidBilge said:
Since when were British people 'his demographic'?Stark_Dawning said:
It certainly exposes Leave's 'What would Hitler do' rhetoric as entirely bogus, if they're trying to cosy up to his demographic.TheScreamingEagles said:Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-backed-brexit-group-8025489
And didn't the saintly British People elect 2 BNP MEPs?
Don't like it when you get a taste of your own medicine, do you?0 -
Thin.VapidBilge said:
Well, that's what the B stands for, isn't it?Stark_Dawning said:
You're equating the British people with the BNP? That's an outrageous slur. I realize you've fashioned yourself as some kind of Leave 'attack dog', but I'm afraid you're coming over as more keen that capable. Come back in a couple of months, and I'll assess whether there's any sign of improvement.VapidBilge said:
Since when were British people 'his demographic'?Stark_Dawning said:
It certainly exposes Leave's 'What would Hitler do' rhetoric as entirely bogus, if they're trying to cosy up to his demographic.TheScreamingEagles said:Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-backed-brexit-group-8025489
And didn't the saintly British People elect 2 BNP MEPs?
Don't like it when you get a taste of your own medicine, do you?0 -
The polling is uncertain but my instinct is that remain are ahead. People are increasingly cynical about Project Fear but that does not mean that they are not listening. From my circle the most common response is X is ridiculous but...
Leave need a game changer at the debates and Remain need no mistakes. Odds on Remain but not over by any means.0 -
Apparently it is at the Etihad. Sounds a lot more English the the Emirates!VapidBilge said:
A bit late for that; Özil regularly plays there for Arsenal.foxinsoxuk said:
Many of our non-celebrity immigrants write autographs in hospitals all the time: in the medical notes, in the nursing care plan, on prescriptions etc etc :-)BenedictWhite said:
Yes, but they are footballers...foxinsoxuk said:
Marcin Waselewski and Christian Fuchs were doing autographs in the Leicester Childrens hospital the other week. Very popular they were too.BenedictWhite said:
I've never seen an immigrant turn up to a children's hospital to sign autographs...taffys said:On immigration, Voters are like football fans. They don;t care where the F the person comes from, what colour/religion/race he is, as long as he gives 110% , doesn;t get sent off too often and turns up to sign autographs at the local children's hospital every now and then.
Not saying they don't, just that I've not seen it.
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...
On the subject of the Turkish hordes I see the the lineup has been announced for tonights "friendly".
A short drone strike may be in order to keep Jonny Turk off the sacred English turf of the Emirates *.Stadium
* (note: sounds suspiciously foreign; best check that it is in England)
Wasn't St Etihad a saxon king?0 -
Seems a reasonable sentiment.DavidL said:The polling is uncertain but my instinct is that remain are ahead. People are increasingly cynical about Project Fear but that does not mean that they are not listening. From my circle the most common response is X is ridiculous but...
Leave need a game changer at the debates and Remain need no mistakes. Odds on Remain but not over by any means.0 -
While the mocking of the hyperbole over Brexit is very droll, it does rather perpetuate the meme of danger with Brexit.DavidL said:The polling is uncertain but my instinct is that remain are ahead. People are increasingly cynical about Project Fear but that does not mean that they are not listening. From my circle the most common response is X is ridiculous but...
Leave need a game changer at the debates and Remain need no mistakes. Odds on Remain but not over by any means.
I stand by my Nojam of a safe Remain win of 58.43% on a 67% turnout, but with all the uncertainties over various polling and turnout issues a Leave vote is possible, and if any value in the market it is on Leave. Turnout is a better option.0 -
Etihad is Arabic for "United" - but there already is a United Airlinesfoxinsoxuk said:
Apparently it is at the Etihad. Sounds a lot more English the the Emirates!VapidBilge said:
A bit late for that; Özil regularly plays there for Arsenal.foxinsoxuk said:
Many of our non-celebrity immigrants write autographs in hospitals all the time: in the medical notes, in the nursing care plan, on prescriptions etc etc :-)BenedictWhite said:
Yes, but they are footballers...foxinsoxuk said:
Marcin Waselewski and Christian Fuchs were doing autographs in the Leicester Childrens hospital the other week. Very popular they were too.BenedictWhite said:
I've never seen an immigrant turn up to a children's hospital to sign autographs...taffys said:On immigration, Voters are like football fans. They don;t care where the F the person comes from, what colour/religion/race he is, as long as he gives 110% , doesn;t get sent off too often and turns up to sign autographs at the local children's hospital every now and then.
Not saying they don't, just that I've not seen it.
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...
On the subject of the Turkish hordes I see the the lineup has been announced for tonights "friendly".
A short drone strike may be in order to keep Jonny Turk off the sacred English turf of the Emirates *.Stadium
* (note: sounds suspiciously foreign; best check that it is in England)
Wasn't St Etihad a saxon king? 0 -
Do you mean Aethelred? He wasn't a saint, he was just Unready.foxinsoxuk said:
Apparently it is at the Etihad. Sounds a lot more English the the Emirates!VapidBilge said:
A bit late for that; Özil regularly plays there for Arsenal.foxinsoxuk said:
Many of our non-celebrity immigrants write autographs in hospitals all the time: in the medical notes, in the nursing care plan, on prescriptions etc etc :-)BenedictWhite said:
Yes, but they are footballers...foxinsoxuk said:
Marcin Waselewski and Christian Fuchs were doing autographs in the Leicester Childrens hospital the other week. Very popular they were too.BenedictWhite said:
I've never seen an immigrant turn up to a children's hospital to sign autographs...taffys said:On immigration, Voters are like football fans. They don;t care where the F the person comes from, what colour/religion/race he is, as long as he gives 110% , doesn;t get sent off too often and turns up to sign autographs at the local children's hospital every now and then.
Not saying they don't, just that I've not seen it.
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...
On the subject of the Turkish hordes I see the the lineup has been announced for tonights "friendly".
A short drone strike may be in order to keep Jonny Turk off the sacred English turf of the Emirates *.Stadium
* (note: sounds suspiciously foreign; best check that it is in England)
Wasn't St Etihad a saxon king?0 -
IS Anna not obvious?
She is a collective like Abba but the girls are called Nina and Nellie.
DO keep up.0 -
Surely no right thinking Englishman would play for arabs!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Etihad is Arabic for "United" - but there already is a United Airlinesfoxinsoxuk said:
Apparently it is at the Etihad. Sounds a lot more English the the Emirates!VapidBilge said:
A bit late for that; Özil regularly plays there for Arsenal.foxinsoxuk said:
Many of our non-celebrity immigrants write autographs in hospitals all the time: in the medical notes, in the nursing care plan, on prescriptions etc etc :-)BenedictWhite said:
Yes, but they are footballers...foxinsoxuk said:
Marcin Waselewski and Christian Fuchs were doing autographs in the Leicester Childrens hospital the other week. Very popular they were too.BenedictWhite said:
I've never seen an immigrant turn up to a children's hospital to sign autographs...taffys said:On immigration, Voters are like football fans. They don;t care where the F the person comes from, what colour/religion/race he is, as long as he gives 110% , doesn;t get sent off too often and turns up to sign autographs at the local children's hospital every now and then.
Not saying they don't, just that I've not seen it.
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...
On the subject of the Turkish hordes I see the the lineup has been announced for tonights "friendly".
A short drone strike may be in order to keep Jonny Turk off the sacred English turf of the Emirates *.Stadium
* (note: sounds suspiciously foreign; best check that it is in England)
Wasn't St Etihad a saxon king?
Maybe Etihad was one of King Arthur's knights of the round table, asleep until our hour of need? Or maybe it is just the English defence that sleeps....0 -
Shall we hold hands ....Knock once for yes and twice for no .....DecrepitJohnL said:For a long time, I thought JackW was the nom-de-pb of a Tory grandee who'd served under Mrs Thatcher; though if I am right, there must be a ouija board involved.
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You can tell by those on this siteTheuniondivvie said:
To be cynical, it was a mistake because those groups are almost certainly already in the bag.TheScreamingEagles said:Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-backed-brexit-group-80254890 -
Any chance of a recount - or best out of three?BenedictWhite said:
Well, that's cleared that up then...NickPalmer said:...and here's the prediction from the main TV company, taking into account the expected share of postal votes...
http://orf.at/wahl/bp16/
lol...0 -
Just Alsergrund in Vienna to come and that's it for today, whole country counted in 2 hours after final polls close, thanks to polling station count and staggered poll close.
TV projection still 50/50, but projecting Van der Bellen to win by 3K votes nationwide once postals counted - he will win Vienna, Vorarlberg, Tirol (projection after postals).
Hofer wins Carinthia, Styria, Burgenland, Salzburg, Lower Austria. Upper Austria may flip to VdB after postals, currently Hofer 50.7%.0 -
If this was Australia where you are up before the beak if you neglect to vote I think Remain would win.DavidL said:The polling is uncertain but my instinct is that remain are ahead. People are increasingly cynical about Project Fear but that does not mean that they are not listening. From my circle the most common response is X is ridiculous but...
Leave need a game changer at the debates and Remain need no mistakes. Odds on Remain but not over by any means.
But it is not. Drive around and you barely see a poster. People dont seem to be engaging a great desl.
I reckon turnout will be between 50-60%.
Brexiters would walk through snowdrifts to vote but the remain case is quite technocratic and dull and isnt the sort of thing to inspire someone tepid to go out and vote.
This closes the gap. I also think (and know in a few cases)the death of the first born over the topness of project fear is annoying people who tended to remain at the start of this but will now vote OUT or not vote as Cameron and the remainers have insulted their intelligence and and destroyed their respect for Cameron and co.
How the Remainers must wish that the SNP had acted like most European nationalist countries.and opted for Brexit.0 -
One of the striking things about last years election was the dearth of physical posters in windows and front gardens. There was quite a strong turnout though, so I do not think it means that much.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
If this was Australia where you are up before the beak if you neglect to vote I think Remain would win.DavidL said:The polling is uncertain but my instinct is that remain are ahead. People are increasingly cynical about Project Fear but that does not mean that they are not listening. From my circle the most common response is X is ridiculous but...
Leave need a game changer at the debates and Remain need no mistakes. Odds on Remain but not over by any means.
But it is not. Drive around and you barely see a poster. People dont seem to be engaging a great desl.
I reckon turnout will be between 50-60%.
Brexiters would walk through snowdrifts to vote but the remain case is quite technocratic and dull and isnt the sort of thing to inspire someone tepid to go out and vote.
This closes the gap. I also think (and know in a few cases)the death of the first born over the topness of project fear is annoying people who tended to remain at the start of this but will now vote OUT or not vote as Cameron and the remainers have insulted their intelligence and and destroyed their respect for Cameron and co.
How the Remainers must wish that the SNP had acted like most European nationalist countries.and opted for Brexit.
Turnout 50-60% seems quite good value. Turnout will probably be less than a GE.
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Really? You think those voting leave on this site are BNP or National Front voters?Roger said:
You can tell by those on this siteTheuniondivvie said:
To be cynical, it was a mistake because those groups are almost certainly already in the bag.TheScreamingEagles said:Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-backed-brexit-group-8025489
If so, can you canvas for Remain please? Leave needs all the help it can get at the moment.0 -
weejonnie said:
Any chance of a recount - or best out of three?BenedictWhite said:
Well, that's cleared that up then...NickPalmer said:...and here's the prediction from the main TV company, taking into account the expected share of postal votes...
http://orf.at/wahl/bp16/
lol... 0 -
Moody's Analytics projects a 332/206 win for Clinton over Trump in the Electoral College :
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/economy/280761-moodys-election-model-sticks-with-democrats?platform=hootsuite0 -
Turnouts 2016foxinsoxuk said:
One of the striking things about last years election was the dearth of physical posters in windows and front gardens. There was quite a strong turnout though, so I do not think it means that much.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
If this was Australia where you are up before the beak if you neglect to vote I think Remain would win.DavidL said:The polling is uncertain but my instinct is that remain are ahead. People are increasingly cynical about Project Fear but that does not mean that they are not listening. From my circle the most common response is X is ridiculous but...
Leave need a game changer at the debates and Remain need no mistakes. Odds on Remain but not over by any means.
But it is not. Drive around and you barely see a poster. People dont seem to be engaging a great desl.
I reckon turnout will be between 50-60%.
Brexiters would walk through snowdrifts to vote but the remain case is quite technocratic and dull and isnt the sort of thing to inspire someone tepid to go out and vote.
This closes the gap. I also think (and know in a few cases)the death of the first born over the topness of project fear is annoying people who tended to remain at the start of this but will now vote OUT or not vote as Cameron and the remainers have insulted their intelligence and and destroyed their respect for Cameron and co.
How the Remainers must wish that the SNP had acted like most European nationalist countries.and opted for Brexit.
Turnout 50-60% seems quite good value. Turnout will probably be less than a GE.
45.60% London Assembly
45.30% Wales
55.60% Scotland
54.20% Northern Ire
Now why would more people turn out in the referendum in Wales and Scotland, than turned out to vote 3 weeks ago? There is going to be almost no GOTV operation in most areas - both camps lack the canvass data and lack the activists. Any knocking up would risk reminding the opposing voters to vote.
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