On immigration, Voters are like football fans. They don;t care where the F the person comes from, what colour/religion/race he is, as long as he gives 110% , doesn;t get sent off too often and turns up to sign autographs at the local children's hospital every now and then.
I've never seen an immigrant turn up to a children's hospital to sign autographs...
Not saying they don't, just that I've not seen it.
Marcin Waselewski and Christian Fuchs were doing autographs in the Leicester Childrens hospital the other week. Very popular they were too.
Yes, but they are footballers...
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...
Green candidate has overtaken FPO but margins of error are all over the place.
Vote might not be decided until Monday when postal votes get counted.
Exit polls said was too close to call
'An Austrian public TV exit poll gave Mr Hofer 50.2% of the vote and 49.8% to Mr van der Bellen, with a margin of error of two percentage points. Another exit poll quoted by Die Presse daily gave the Freedom Party candidate 50.9% to 49.1% for the independent. The margin of error for that poll was unclear.' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36353200
Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
I think it was the only time a current EC or EU member (Greenland joined in 1973 along with Denmark and the other Danish territories) succesfully "deserted", to quote Jean-Claude.
I wonder if there'll be a shy factor and Hofer will do a little better.
Mr. M, that's quite right, however, I suspect that the majority of Remain-leaning chaps and ladies will be thinking that *is* what they're voting for (even though it is not).
Green candidate has overtaken FPO but margins of error are all over the place.
Vote might not be decided until Monday when postal votes get counted.
Exit polls said was too close to call
'An Austrian public TV exit poll gave Mr Hofer 50.2% of the vote and 49.8% to Mr van der Bellen, with a margin of error of two percentage points. Another exit poll quoted by Die Presse daily gave the Freedom Party candidate 50.9% to 49.1% for the independent. The margin of error for that poll was unclear.' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36353200
result I quoted was based on latest projection. MoE +/-1.6 %
it could be anyone. Count probably favouring the Green atm as cities are counting faster than the countryside which is more for FPO
On immigration, Voters are like football fans. They don;t care where the F the person comes from, what colour/religion/race he is, as long as he gives 110% , doesn;t get sent off too often and turns up to sign autographs at the local children's hospital every now and then.
I've never seen an immigrant turn up to a children's hospital to sign autographs...
Not saying they don't, just that I've not seen it.
Marcin Waselewski and Christian Fuchs were doing autographs in the Leicester Childrens hospital the other week. Very popular they were too.
Yes, but they are footballers...
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...
Many of our non-celebrity immigrants write autographs in hospitals all the time: in the medical notes, in the nursing care plan, on prescriptions etc etc :-)
On the subject of the Turkish hordes I see the the lineup has been announced for tonights "friendly".
A short drone strike may be in order to keep Jonny Turk off the sacred English turf of the Emirates *.Stadium
* (note: sounds suspiciously foreign; best check that it is in England)
I think it was the only time a current EC or EU member (Greenland joined in 1973 along with Denmark and the other Danish territories) succesfully "deserted", to quote Jean-Claude.
If Greece were to default, is there a probable time frame, or would it come more or less out of the blue?
Unfortunately my crystal ball is a bit foggy on that one!
An analyst from Standard & Poor's said that they would reduce Britain's credit rating by a notch or two post Brexit due to short term uncertainty (reducing us to the level of such basket cases as the USA). When he was asked what would happen to French and German sovereign ratings, he wasn't able to give assurances. Concerns were raised by other panelists that up to 10 countries might have similar referenda to leave the EU in the event of a Brexit which would basically break the Euro as a project.
After that panel, some of the treasurers I spoke to were rethinking their hedging requirements of GBP/EUR post-Brexit. Most initially thought GBP would depreciate against EUR, they suddenly weren't so sure...
On immigration, Voters are like football fans. They don;t care where the F the person comes from, what colour/religion/race he is, as long as he gives 110% , doesn;t get sent off too often and turns up to sign autographs at the local children's hospital every now and then.
I've never seen an immigrant turn up to a children's hospital to sign autographs...
Not saying they don't, just that I've not seen it.
Marcin Waselewski and Christian Fuchs were doing autographs in the Leicester Childrens hospital the other week. Very popular they were too.
Yes, but they are footballers...
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...
Many of our non-celebrity immigrants write autographs in hospitals all the time: in the medical notes, in the nursing care plan, on prescriptions etc etc :-)
On the subject of the Turkish hordes I see the the lineup has been announced for tonights "friendly".
A short drone strike may be in order to keep Jonny Turk off the sacred English turf of the Emirates *.Stadium
* (note: sounds suspiciously foreign; best check that it is in England)
I think it was the only time a current EC or EU member (Greenland joined in 1973 along with Denmark and the other Danish territories) succesfully "deserted", to quote Jean-Claude.
Of course, Guernsey and Jersey are not in the EU, despite being British crown dependencies.
Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
I think it was the only time a current EC or EU member (Greenland joined in 1973 along with Denmark and the other Danish territories) succesfully "deserted", to quote Jean-Claude.
Algeria was in the EU until 1962.
They didn't hold a referendum to leave. They held a war.
I wonder if there'll be a shy factor and Hofer will do a little better.
Mr. M, that's quite right, however, I suspect that the majority of Remain-leaning chaps and ladies will be thinking that *is* what they're voting for (even though it is not).
For those who like near certainties, backing the turnout in next month's referendum in a combination bet with Ladbrokes appears to offer certain attractions:
Back a turnout of 50% - 60% at 3.75, staking 34.78%
Back a turnout of 60% - 70% at 2.0, staking the remaining 65.22%
A turnout of anything between 50% - 70% produces a profitable return of 30.44%. Rather more attractive in my view than simply backing REMAIN for a 22% return. DYOR.
Green candidate has overtaken FPO but margins of error are all over the place.
Vote might not be decided until Monday when postal votes get counted.
Exit polls said was too close to call
'An Austrian public TV exit poll gave Mr Hofer 50.2% of the vote and 49.8% to Mr van der Bellen, with a margin of error of two percentage points. Another exit poll quoted by Die Presse daily gave the Freedom Party candidate 50.9% to 49.1% for the independent. The margin of error for that poll was unclear.' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36353200
result I quoted was based on latest projection. MoE +/-1.6 %
it could be anyone. Count probably favouring the Green atm as cities are counting faster than the countryside which is more for FPO
If Greece were to default, is there a probable time frame, or would it come more or less out of the blue?
Unfortunately my crystal ball is a bit foggy on that one!
An analyst from Standard & Poor's said that they would reduce Britain's credit rating by a notch or two post Brexit due to short term uncertainty (reducing us to the level of such basket cases as the USA). When he was asked what would happen to French and German sovereign ratings, he wasn't able to give assurances. Concerns were raised by other panelists that up to 10 countries might have similar referenda to leave the EU in the event of a Brexit which would basically break the Euro as a project.
After that panel, some of the treasurers I spoke to were rethinking their hedging requirements of GBP/EUR post-Brexit. Most initially thought GBP would depreciate against EUR, they suddenly weren't so sure...
Welcome to pb.com, Anna. Very interesting inaugural posts.
If Greece were to default, is there a probable time frame, or would it come more or less out of the blue?
Unfortunately my crystal ball is a bit foggy on that one!
An analyst from Standard & Poor's said that they would reduce Britain's credit rating by a notch or two post Brexit due to short term uncertainty (reducing us to the level of such basket cases as the USA). When he was asked what would happen to French and German sovereign ratings, he wasn't able to give assurances. Concerns were raised by other panelists that up to 10 countries might have similar referenda to leave the EU in the event of a Brexit which would basically break the Euro as a project.
After that panel, some of the treasurers I spoke to were rethinking their hedging requirements of GBP/EUR post-Brexit. Most initially thought GBP would depreciate against EUR, they suddenly weren't so sure...
Interesting. The EU/Euro breaking up seems the only route to reform which is a shame.
The problem is people like Juncker like rubbing peoples noses in its lack of democracy and aloofness.
I think it was the only time a current EC or EU member (Greenland joined in 1973 along with Denmark and the other Danish territories) succesfully "deserted", to quote Jean-Claude.
Algeria was in the EU until 1962.
Algeria fought a long-drawn out civil war to secede from France. Greenland is still part of the Kingdom of Denmark.
If Greece were to default, is there a probable time frame, or would it come more or less out of the blue?
Unfortunately my crystal ball is a bit foggy on that one!
An analyst from Standard & Poor's said that they would reduce Britain's credit rating by a notch or two post Brexit due to short term uncertainty (reducing us to the level of such basket cases as the USA). When he was asked what would happen to French and German sovereign ratings, he wasn't able to give assurances. Concerns were raised by other panelists that up to 10 countries might have similar referenda to leave the EU in the event of a Brexit which would basically break the Euro as a project.
After that panel, some of the treasurers I spoke to were rethinking their hedging requirements of GBP/EUR post-Brexit. Most initially thought GBP would depreciate against EUR, they suddenly weren't so sure...
I'm pretty sure GBP/USD will go pear-shaped, but GBP/EUR could go up, down or sideways.
(Oh, welcome to the party. You'll get your hammer and badge in the post. You do have the option to run away now before the board gets inside your head, btw... )
I am not a fan of insults in general. I think they actually demean the user more than the target.
That said, Tom Conti's reaction is, how shall I put it, pathetically self-pitying in about as un-self-aware manner as possible. I'd suggest he live in parts of SE Washington DC or some 'hoods in Baltimore or Richmond and then compare how it feels to be called a Luvvie vs a n*gger. The one 'insult' implies wealth and status and evokes envy. The other, not so much.
Or yid. Perhaps he'd like to live through a pogrom and compare his life to that.
Words have associations. Those associated with 'luvvie' really aren't that bad. I suspect many using the word would actually be quite happy to swap places.
I think it was the only time a current EC or EU member (Greenland joined in 1973 along with Denmark and the other Danish territories) succesfully "deserted", to quote Jean-Claude.
Algeria was in the EU until 1962.
They didn't hold a referendum to leave. They held a war.
If Greece were to default, is there a probable time frame, or would it come more or less out of the blue?
Unfortunately my crystal ball is a bit foggy on that one!
An analyst from Standard & Poor's said that they would reduce Britain's credit rating by a notch or two post Brexit due to short term uncertainty (reducing us to the level of such basket cases as the USA). When he was asked what would happen to French and German sovereign ratings, he wasn't able to give assurances. Concerns were raised by other panelists that up to 10 countries might have similar referenda to leave the EU in the event of a Brexit which would basically break the Euro as a project.
After that panel, some of the treasurers I spoke to were rethinking their hedging requirements of GBP/EUR post-Brexit. Most initially thought GBP would depreciate against EUR, they suddenly weren't so sure...
I'm pretty sure GBP/USD will go pear-shaped, but GBP/EUR could go up, down or sideways.
(Oh, welcome to the party. You'll get your hammer and badge in the post. You do have the option to run away now before the board gets inside your head, btw... )
Thanks viewcode and all for being so welcoming! It's been 10 years since I had the time to post on here - great to see so many people still around. I've missed JackW's ARSE ;-)
I was at the Association of Corporate Treasurers annual conference this week. Brexit was one of the main debated issues, but the biggest uncertainty on most treasurers' minds is the Eurozone crisis and whether Greece will actually default.
The ECB creating negative interest rates is causing big problems across the economy in Europe - one treasurer of a services company has drawn down a revolving credit facility from her bank and is being paid for having taken the loan (negative interest rate). The only problem is, she doesn't trust the solvency of pretty much any bank to put the cash on deposit with them.
That would though be a old and unusual RCF I suspect. The cannot go negative drafting has been part of the LMA suite for some time and dates back, I think to CHF negative rates. That Treasurer might also note the disconnect between her borrowing at negative rates and then complaining about bank solvency risk. Cake and eating.
Green candidate has overtaken FPO but margins of error are all over the place.
Vote might not be decided until Monday when postal votes get counted.
The FPO guy is now 0.25% ahead. However, 14% of the electorate votes by post and will be counted tomorrow. In the first round, the Green candidate did markedly better in the postal votes than overall, so there's speculation that he'll win - the FPO is already grumbling about postal votes.
Green candidate has overtaken FPO but margins of error are all over the place.
Vote might not be decided until Monday when postal votes get counted.
The FPO guy is now 0.25% ahead. However, 14% of the electorate votes by post and will be counted tomorrow. In the first round, the Green candidate did markedly better in the postal votes than overall, so there's speculation that he'll win - the FPO is already grumbling about postal votes.
The projections on ORF say they include postal votes Ss at 18.03 projection it was 50-50 with 0.9% MOE.
Whichever way you look at it this will need a full count.
I was at the Association of Corporate Treasurers annual conference this week. Brexit was one of the main debated issues, but the biggest uncertainty on most treasurers' minds is the Eurozone crisis and whether Greece will actually default.
The ECB creating negative interest rates is causing big problems across the economy in Europe - one treasurer of a services company has drawn down a revolving credit facility from her bank and is being paid for having taken the loan (negative interest rate). The only problem is, she doesn't trust the solvency of pretty much any bank to put the cash on deposit with them.
That would though be a old and unusual RCF I suspect. The cannot go negative drafting has been part of the LMA suite for some time and dates back, I think to CHF negative rates. That Treasurer might also note the disconnect between her borrowing at negative rates and then complaining about bank solvency risk. Cake and eating.
Draw down in USD and swap to EUR et voila....
Most corporates also try to reject the LIBOR floor in loan documents because it creates a nightmare with hedge accounting rules and any associated swap. Not everyone manages to get it removed, but the larger corporates have the leverage with the bank (forgive the pun...)
'Trump and Clinton are currently the two most unpopular likely presidential nominees in the history of the NBC/WSJ poll.
Thirty four percent of registered voters have a positive opinion of Clinton, versus 54 percent who have a negative opinion (-20) — a slight uptick from her minus-24 score last month. Trump’s rating is even worse than Clinton’s: Twenty nine percent have a positive opinion of him, while 58 percent have a negative opinion (-29) — an improvement from his minus-41 score in April.
“This has never been matched, or even close to being matched,” Democratic pollster Peter Hart, who conducted the survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff, says of these negative ratings for Trump and Clinton.
Forty Seven Percent Would Consider a Third-Party Candidate Asked if they would consider a third-party candidate if Clinton and Trump were the major party nominees, 47 percent of registered voters say yes — a higher percentage than those who said yes on a similar question in 2008 and 2012.' http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/clinton-s-lead-over-trump-shrinks-3-points-new-nbc-n577726
If Greece were to default, is there a probable time frame, or would it come more or less out of the blue?
Unfortunately my crystal ball is a bit foggy on that one!
An analyst from Standard & Poor's said that they would reduce Britain's credit rating by a notch or two post Brexit due to short term uncertainty (reducing us to the level of such basket cases as the USA). When he was asked what would happen to French and German sovereign ratings, he wasn't able to give assurances. Concerns were raised by other panelists that up to 10 countries might have similar referenda to leave the EU in the event of a Brexit which would basically break the Euro as a project.
After that panel, some of the treasurers I spoke to were rethinking their hedging requirements of GBP/EUR post-Brexit. Most initially thought GBP would depreciate against EUR, they suddenly weren't so sure...
I'm pretty sure GBP/USD will go pear-shaped, but GBP/EUR could go up, down or sideways.
(Oh, welcome to the party. You'll get your hammer and badge in the post. You do have the option to run away now before the board gets inside your head, btw... )
Thanks viewcode and all for being so welcoming! It's been 10 years since I had the time to post on here - great to see so many people still around. I've missed JackW's ARSE ;-)
Welcome back Anna, I only started trolling posting on here in 2009.
Thanks viewcode and all for being so welcoming! It's been 10 years since I had the time to post on here - great to see so many people still around. I've missed JackW's ARSE ;-)
Good evening. And now the burning question of the hour. Who is @Anna? Morris claims it's Miss Anna. Or is it Mrs Anna? Ms Anna? Mr Anna? or Transgender Anna?
Good evening. And now the burning question of the hour. Who is @Anna? Morris claims it's Miss Anna. Or is it Mrs Anna? Ms Anna? Mr Anna? or Transgender Anna?
Last TV proj was 50/50, note that pretty much all of the rural areas finished counting first, we are just waiting on Vienna, Innsbruck, and one district in Lower Austria now).
Good evening. And now the burning question of the hour. Who is @Anna? Morris claims it's Miss Anna. Or is it Mrs Anna? Ms Anna? Mr Anna? or Transgender Anna?
Anna,come clean.
"Her Celestial Highness Anna" works just fine. Do you have preferred pronouns?
Good evening. And now the burning question of the hour. Who is @Anna? Morris claims it's Miss Anna. Or is it Mrs Anna? Ms Anna? Mr Anna? or Transgender Anna?
If Greece were to default, is there a probable time frame, or would it come more or less out of the blue?
Unfortunately my crystal ball is a bit foggy on that one!
An analyst from Standard & Poor's said that they would reduce Britain's credit rating by a notch or two post Brexit due to short term uncertainty (reducing us to the level of such basket cases as the USA). When he was asked what would happen to French and German sovereign ratings, he wasn't able to give assurances. Concerns were raised by other panelists that up to 10 countries might have similar referenda to leave the EU in the event of a Brexit which would basically break the Euro as a project.
After that panel, some of the treasurers I spoke to were rethinking their hedging requirements of GBP/EUR post-Brexit. Most initially thought GBP would depreciate against EUR, they suddenly weren't so sure...
I'd be very surprised if it were ten. The obvious EU-leavers (other than us) are:
1. Sweden & Denmark - not in the Eurozone, not going to join. 2. Poland - constant arguments with the EZ, not in the Eurozone. But dependent on foreign remittances, and aid.
Longer shots:
1. Greece - post Grexit 2. Italy - where disatisfaction with the Euro is very high
Unlikely Leavers
1. The Netherlands. People think that because the PVV is leading in the polls that the Netherlands is very Eurosceptic. But the internals on PVV support show it as mostly anti-Muslim immigration rather than anti-EU. (More than half of PVV supporters agree with the statement "The Euro is good for the Netherlands".) 2. France. Marion Marechel-Le Pen has been giving speeches about the EU being the Christian front in the war against Islam. If she were to take over from Marine, then the FN's whole pitch would change markedly.
Good evening. And now the burning question of the hour. Who is @Anna? Morris claims it's Miss Anna. Or is it Mrs Anna? Ms Anna? Mr Anna? or Transgender Anna?
Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
It's just that Cameron is a day to day BAREFACED LIAR. He can't help it, it's in the blood. He lies every day. Almost daily he contradicts himself. Most of the Tory Party are absolutely sick of it: except perhaps JackW and TSE.
JackW has never had relations with that party .... let alone inhaled.
Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
Good evening. And now the burning question of the hour. Who is @Anna? Morris claims it's Miss Anna. Or is it Mrs Anna? Ms Anna? Mr Anna? or Transgender Anna?
Good evening. And now the burning question of the hour. Who is @Anna? Morris claims it's Miss Anna. Or is it Mrs Anna? Ms Anna? Mr Anna? or Transgender Anna?
Anna,come clean.
"Her Celestial Highness Anna" works just fine. Do you have preferred pronouns?
I would bend the knee, but my arthritis won't let me.
I think it was the only time a current EC or EU member (Greenland joined in 1973 along with Denmark and the other Danish territories) succesfully "deserted", to quote Jean-Claude.
Of course, Guernsey and Jersey are not in the EU, despite being British crown dependencies.
It's just that Cameron is a day to day BAREFACED LIAR. He can't help it, it's in the blood. He lies every day. Almost daily he contradicts himself. Most of the Tory Party are absolutely sick of it: except perhaps JackW and TSE.
JackW has never had relations with that party .... let alone inhaled.
For a long time, I thought JackW was the nom-de-pb of a Tory grandee who'd served under Mrs Thatcher; though if I am right, there must be a ouija board involved.
Good evening. And now the burning question of the hour. Who is @Anna? Morris claims it's Miss Anna. Or is it Mrs Anna? Ms Anna? Mr Anna? or Transgender Anna?
On immigration, Voters are like football fans. They don;t care where the F the person comes from, what colour/religion/race he is, as long as he gives 110% , doesn;t get sent off too often and turns up to sign autographs at the local children's hospital every now and then.
I've never seen an immigrant turn up to a children's hospital to sign autographs...
Not saying they don't, just that I've not seen it.
Marcin Waselewski and Christian Fuchs were doing autographs in the Leicester Childrens hospital the other week. Very popular they were too.
Yes, but they are footballers...
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...
Many of our non-celebrity immigrants write autographs in hospitals all the time: in the medical notes, in the nursing care plan, on prescriptions etc etc :-)
On the subject of the Turkish hordes I see the the lineup has been announced for tonights "friendly".
A short drone strike may be in order to keep Jonny Turk off the sacred English turf of the Emirates *.Stadium
* (note: sounds suspiciously foreign; best check that it is in England)
A bit late for that; Özil regularly plays there for Arsenal.
Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
It certainly exposes Leave's 'What would Hitler do' rhetoric as entirely bogus, if they're trying to cosy up to his demographic.
Since when were British people 'his demographic'?
You're equating the British people with the BNP? That's an outrageous slur. I realize you've fashioned yourself as some kind of Leave 'attack dog', but I'm afraid you're coming over as more keen that capable. Come back in a couple of months, and I'll assess whether there's any sign of improvement.
Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
It certainly exposes Leave's 'What would Hitler do' rhetoric as entirely bogus, if they're trying to cosy up to his demographic.
Since when were British people 'his demographic'?
You're equating the British people with the BNP? That's an outrageous slur. I realize you've fashioned yourself as some kind of Leave 'attack dog', but I'm afraid you're coming over as more keen that capable. Come back in a couple of months, and I'll assess whether there's any sign of improvement.
Well, that's what the B stands for, isn't it?
And didn't the saintly British People elect 2 BNP MEPs?
Don't like it when you get a taste of your own medicine, do you?
Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
It certainly exposes Leave's 'What would Hitler do' rhetoric as entirely bogus, if they're trying to cosy up to his demographic.
Since when were British people 'his demographic'?
You're equating the British people with the BNP? That's an outrageous slur. I realize you've fashioned yourself as some kind of Leave 'attack dog', but I'm afraid you're coming over as more keen that capable. Come back in a couple of months, and I'll assess whether there's any sign of improvement.
Well, that's what the B stands for, isn't it?
And didn't the saintly British People elect 2 BNP MEPs?
Don't like it when you get a taste of your own medicine, do you?
The polling is uncertain but my instinct is that remain are ahead. People are increasingly cynical about Project Fear but that does not mean that they are not listening. From my circle the most common response is X is ridiculous but...
Leave need a game changer at the debates and Remain need no mistakes. Odds on Remain but not over by any means.
On immigration, Voters are like football fans. They don;t care where the F the person comes from, what colour/religion/race he is, as long as he gives 110% , doesn;t get sent off too often and turns up to sign autographs at the local children's hospital every now and then.
I've never seen an immigrant turn up to a children's hospital to sign autographs...
Not saying they don't, just that I've not seen it.
Marcin Waselewski and Christian Fuchs were doing autographs in the Leicester Childrens hospital the other week. Very popular they were too.
Yes, but they are footballers...
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...
Many of our non-celebrity immigrants write autographs in hospitals all the time: in the medical notes, in the nursing care plan, on prescriptions etc etc :-)
On the subject of the Turkish hordes I see the the lineup has been announced for tonights "friendly".
A short drone strike may be in order to keep Jonny Turk off the sacred English turf of the Emirates *.Stadium
* (note: sounds suspiciously foreign; best check that it is in England)
A bit late for that; Özil regularly plays there for Arsenal.
Apparently it is at the Etihad. Sounds a lot more English the the Emirates!
So, Trump ahead in three of the last five polls...
The markets are going to reflect this sooner or later which will create a technical chance to trade out at a profit but for my modest stakes I am inclined to let it roll. Maybe when he is a clear favourite.
The polling is uncertain but my instinct is that remain are ahead. People are increasingly cynical about Project Fear but that does not mean that they are not listening. From my circle the most common response is X is ridiculous but...
Leave need a game changer at the debates and Remain need no mistakes. Odds on Remain but not over by any means.
The polling is uncertain but my instinct is that remain are ahead. People are increasingly cynical about Project Fear but that does not mean that they are not listening. From my circle the most common response is X is ridiculous but...
Leave need a game changer at the debates and Remain need no mistakes. Odds on Remain but not over by any means.
While the mocking of the hyperbole over Brexit is very droll, it does rather perpetuate the meme of danger with Brexit.
I stand by my Nojam of a safe Remain win of 58.43% on a 67% turnout, but with all the uncertainties over various polling and turnout issues a Leave vote is possible, and if any value in the market it is on Leave. Turnout is a better option.
On immigration, Voters are like football fans. They don;t care where the F the person comes from, what colour/religion/race he is, as long as he gives 110% , doesn;t get sent off too often and turns up to sign autographs at the local children's hospital every now and then.
I've never seen an immigrant turn up to a children's hospital to sign autographs...
Not saying they don't, just that I've not seen it.
Marcin Waselewski and Christian Fuchs were doing autographs in the Leicester Childrens hospital the other week. Very popular they were too.
Yes, but they are footballers...
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...
Many of our non-celebrity immigrants write autographs in hospitals all the time: in the medical notes, in the nursing care plan, on prescriptions etc etc :-)
On the subject of the Turkish hordes I see the the lineup has been announced for tonights "friendly".
A short drone strike may be in order to keep Jonny Turk off the sacred English turf of the Emirates *.Stadium
* (note: sounds suspiciously foreign; best check that it is in England)
A bit late for that; Özil regularly plays there for Arsenal.
Apparently it is at the Etihad. Sounds a lot more English the the Emirates!
Wasn't St Etihad a saxon king?
Etihad is Arabic for "United" - but there already is a United Airlines
On immigration, Voters are like football fans. They don;t care where the F the person comes from, what colour/religion/race he is, as long as he gives 110% , doesn;t get sent off too often and turns up to sign autographs at the local children's hospital every now and then.
I've never seen an immigrant turn up to a children's hospital to sign autographs...
Not saying they don't, just that I've not seen it.
Marcin Waselewski and Christian Fuchs were doing autographs in the Leicester Childrens hospital the other week. Very popular they were too.
Yes, but they are footballers...
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...
Many of our non-celebrity immigrants write autographs in hospitals all the time: in the medical notes, in the nursing care plan, on prescriptions etc etc :-)
On the subject of the Turkish hordes I see the the lineup has been announced for tonights "friendly".
A short drone strike may be in order to keep Jonny Turk off the sacred English turf of the Emirates *.Stadium
* (note: sounds suspiciously foreign; best check that it is in England)
A bit late for that; Özil regularly plays there for Arsenal.
Apparently it is at the Etihad. Sounds a lot more English the the Emirates!
Wasn't St Etihad a saxon king?
Do you mean Aethelred? He wasn't a saint, he was just Unready.
On immigration, Voters are like football fans. They don;t care where the F the person comes from, what colour/religion/race he is, as long as he gives 110% , doesn;t get sent off too often and turns up to sign autographs at the local children's hospital every now and then.
I've never seen an immigrant turn up to a children's hospital to sign autographs...
Not saying they don't, just that I've not seen it.
Marcin Waselewski and Christian Fuchs were doing autographs in the Leicester Childrens hospital the other week. Very popular they were too.
Yes, but they are footballers...
Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...
Many of our non-celebrity immigrants write autographs in hospitals all the time: in the medical notes, in the nursing care plan, on prescriptions etc etc :-)
On the subject of the Turkish hordes I see the the lineup has been announced for tonights "friendly".
A short drone strike may be in order to keep Jonny Turk off the sacred English turf of the Emirates *.Stadium
* (note: sounds suspiciously foreign; best check that it is in England)
A bit late for that; Özil regularly plays there for Arsenal.
Apparently it is at the Etihad. Sounds a lot more English the the Emirates!
Wasn't St Etihad a saxon king?
Etihad is Arabic for "United" - but there already is a United Airlines
Surely no right thinking Englishman would play for arabs!
Maybe Etihad was one of King Arthur's knights of the round table, asleep until our hour of need? Or maybe it is just the English defence that sleeps....
For a long time, I thought JackW was the nom-de-pb of a Tory grandee who'd served under Mrs Thatcher; though if I am right, there must be a ouija board involved.
Shall we hold hands ....Knock once for yes and twice for no .....
Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
Just Alsergrund in Vienna to come and that's it for today, whole country counted in 2 hours after final polls close, thanks to polling station count and staggered poll close.
TV projection still 50/50, but projecting Van der Bellen to win by 3K votes nationwide once postals counted - he will win Vienna, Vorarlberg, Tirol (projection after postals).
Hofer wins Carinthia, Styria, Burgenland, Salzburg, Lower Austria. Upper Austria may flip to VdB after postals, currently Hofer 50.7%.
The polling is uncertain but my instinct is that remain are ahead. People are increasingly cynical about Project Fear but that does not mean that they are not listening. From my circle the most common response is X is ridiculous but...
Leave need a game changer at the debates and Remain need no mistakes. Odds on Remain but not over by any means.
If this was Australia where you are up before the beak if you neglect to vote I think Remain would win.
But it is not. Drive around and you barely see a poster. People dont seem to be engaging a great desl.
I reckon turnout will be between 50-60%.
Brexiters would walk through snowdrifts to vote but the remain case is quite technocratic and dull and isnt the sort of thing to inspire someone tepid to go out and vote.
This closes the gap. I also think (and know in a few cases)the death of the first born over the topness of project fear is annoying people who tended to remain at the start of this but will now vote OUT or not vote as Cameron and the remainers have insulted their intelligence and and destroyed their respect for Cameron and co.
How the Remainers must wish that the SNP had acted like most European nationalist countries.and opted for Brexit.
A good article @TSE. I think it's closer than the implied odds suggest, Leave at 4.7 on Betfair seems value more than ever. Always difficult to think of these things with the head though, when the heart wants the 7/2 to come in!
The polling is uncertain but my instinct is that remain are ahead. People are increasingly cynical about Project Fear but that does not mean that they are not listening. From my circle the most common response is X is ridiculous but...
Leave need a game changer at the debates and Remain need no mistakes. Odds on Remain but not over by any means.
If this was Australia where you are up before the beak if you neglect to vote I think Remain would win.
But it is not. Drive around and you barely see a poster. People dont seem to be engaging a great desl.
I reckon turnout will be between 50-60%.
Brexiters would walk through snowdrifts to vote but the remain case is quite technocratic and dull and isnt the sort of thing to inspire someone tepid to go out and vote.
This closes the gap. I also think (and know in a few cases)the death of the first born over the topness of project fear is annoying people who tended to remain at the start of this but will now vote OUT or not vote as Cameron and the remainers have insulted their intelligence and and destroyed their respect for Cameron and co.
How the Remainers must wish that the SNP had acted like most European nationalist countries.and opted for Brexit.
One of the striking things about last years election was the dearth of physical posters in windows and front gardens. There was quite a strong turnout though, so I do not think it means that much.
Turnout 50-60% seems quite good value. Turnout will probably be less than a GE.
Just when I thought some Leavers couldn't sink any lower
A Brexit campaign backed by Nigel Farage targeted National Front supporters with adverts on Facebook.
The white nationalists were among a range of political groups hit with paid-for advertising earlier this year on behalf of Leave.EU.
The group's message showed a British bulldog chewing up the EU flag with the message: "Help us win our country back".
Leave.EU said the far-right group, along with the BNP, EDL and Britain First, was chosen by an external agency which had been briefed to find people right across the political spectrum.
But a campaign spokesman admitted the briefing was "perhaps naive" and said: "It was probably a mistake."
The polling is uncertain but my instinct is that remain are ahead. People are increasingly cynical about Project Fear but that does not mean that they are not listening. From my circle the most common response is X is ridiculous but...
Leave need a game changer at the debates and Remain need no mistakes. Odds on Remain but not over by any means.
If this was Australia where you are up before the beak if you neglect to vote I think Remain would win.
But it is not. Drive around and you barely see a poster. People dont seem to be engaging a great desl.
I reckon turnout will be between 50-60%.
Brexiters would walk through snowdrifts to vote but the remain case is quite technocratic and dull and isnt the sort of thing to inspire someone tepid to go out and vote.
This closes the gap. I also think (and know in a few cases)the death of the first born over the topness of project fear is annoying people who tended to remain at the start of this but will now vote OUT or not vote as Cameron and the remainers have insulted their intelligence and and destroyed their respect for Cameron and co.
How the Remainers must wish that the SNP had acted like most European nationalist countries.and opted for Brexit.
One of the striking things about last years election was the dearth of physical posters in windows and front gardens. There was quite a strong turnout though, so I do not think it means that much. Turnout 50-60% seems quite good value. Turnout will probably be less than a GE.
Turnouts 2016 45.60% London Assembly 45.30% Wales 55.60% Scotland 54.20% Northern Ire
Now why would more people turn out in the referendum in Wales and Scotland, than turned out to vote 3 weeks ago? There is going to be almost no GOTV operation in most areas - both camps lack the canvass data and lack the activists. Any knocking up would risk reminding the opposing voters to vote.
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Sorry perhaps I should have been clearer, I have not seen or heard of non celebrity immigrants doing autographs in hospitals. That would be odd. Just like non celebrity locals...
Green candidate has overtaken FPO but margins of error are all over the place.
Vote might not be decided until Monday when postal votes get counted.
'An Austrian public TV exit poll gave Mr Hofer 50.2% of the vote and 49.8% to Mr van der Bellen, with a margin of error of two percentage points.
Another exit poll quoted by Die Presse daily gave the Freedom Party candidate 50.9% to 49.1% for the independent. The margin of error for that poll was unclear.'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36353200
I wonder if there'll be a shy factor and Hofer will do a little better.
Mr. M, that's quite right, however, I suspect that the majority of Remain-leaning chaps and ladies will be thinking that *is* what they're voting for (even though it is not).
it could be anyone. Count probably favouring the Green atm as cities are counting faster than the countryside which is more for FPO
On the subject of the Turkish hordes I see the the lineup has been announced for tonights "friendly".
A short drone strike may be in order to keep Jonny Turk off the sacred English turf of the Emirates *.Stadium
* (note: sounds suspiciously foreign; best check that it is in England)
He was merely pointing out the result of the last referendum on a country in the EU leaving it.
It's the remainers thinking we can't be great outside of the EU that depress me, Little Europeans.
An analyst from Standard & Poor's said that they would reduce Britain's credit rating by a notch or two post Brexit due to short term uncertainty (reducing us to the level of such basket cases as the USA). When he was asked what would happen to French and German sovereign ratings, he wasn't able to give assurances. Concerns were raised by other panelists that up to 10 countries might have similar referenda to leave the EU in the event of a Brexit which would basically break the Euro as a project.
After that panel, some of the treasurers I spoke to were rethinking their hedging requirements of GBP/EUR post-Brexit. Most initially thought GBP would depreciate against EUR, they suddenly weren't so sure...
Lucky it didn't start WWIII.
Back a turnout of 50% - 60% at 3.75, staking 34.78%
Back a turnout of 60% - 70% at 2.0, staking the remaining 65.22%
A turnout of anything between 50% - 70% produces a profitable return of 30.44%. Rather more attractive in my view than simply backing REMAIN for a 22% return.
DYOR.
The problem is people like Juncker like rubbing peoples noses in its lack of democracy and aloofness.
(Oh, welcome to the party. You'll get your hammer and badge in the post. You do have the option to run away now before the board gets inside your head, btw...
That said, Tom Conti's reaction is, how shall I put it, pathetically self-pitying in about as un-self-aware manner as possible. I'd suggest he live in parts of SE Washington DC or some 'hoods in Baltimore or Richmond and then compare how it feels to be called a Luvvie vs a n*gger. The one 'insult' implies wealth and status and evokes envy. The other, not so much.
Or yid. Perhaps he'd like to live through a pogrom and compare his life to that.
Words have associations. Those associated with 'luvvie' really aren't that bad. I suspect many using the word would actually be quite happy to swap places.
From the gang called Luuvies With Attitude...
Not sure it has quite the same ring to it...
Whichever way you look at it this will need a full count.
Most corporates also try to reject the LIBOR floor in loan documents because it creates a nightmare with hedge accounting rules and any associated swap. Not everyone manages to get it removed, but the larger corporates have the leverage with the bank (forgive the pun...)
Kane!
ABC/Post 5/16 - 5/19
829 Registered Voters
Clinton 44 Trump 46
trollingposting on here in 2009.1-1
And now the burning question of the hour. Who is @Anna?
Morris claims it's Miss Anna. Or is it Mrs Anna? Ms Anna? Mr Anna? or Transgender Anna?
Anna, come clean.
Results (Tirol, Lower Austria, Vienna all to come plus postals to be added in):
http://wahl16.bmi.gv.at/index.html
Livestream:
http://tvthek.orf.at/live/Bundespraesidentenwahl-Stichwahl-um-die-Hofburg/12775055
Map:
http://visual.apa.at/presidential/
Last TV proj was 50/50, note that pretty much all of the rural areas finished counting first, we are just waiting on Vienna, Innsbruck, and one district in Lower Austria now).
Thanks!
DC
I checked Twitter a moment ago. Lots of reports after 97% counted the tally is 50/50 (Green chap just 3,000 votes ahead).
1. Sweden & Denmark - not in the Eurozone, not going to join.
2. Poland - constant arguments with the EZ, not in the Eurozone. But dependent on foreign remittances, and aid.
Longer shots:
1. Greece - post Grexit
2. Italy - where disatisfaction with the Euro is very high
Unlikely Leavers
1. The Netherlands. People think that because the PVV is leading in the polls that the Netherlands is very Eurosceptic. But the internals on PVV support show it as mostly anti-Muslim immigration rather than anti-EU. (More than half of PVV supporters agree with the statement "The Euro is good for the Netherlands".)
2. France. Marion Marechel-Le Pen has been giving speeches about the EU being the Christian front in the war against Islam. If she were to take over from Marine, then the FN's whole pitch would change markedly.
http://orf.at/wahl/bp16/
lol...
And didn't the saintly British People elect 2 BNP MEPs?
Don't like it when you get a taste of your own medicine, do you?
Leave need a game changer at the debates and Remain need no mistakes. Odds on Remain but not over by any means.
Wasn't St Etihad a saxon king?
I stand by my Nojam of a safe Remain win of 58.43% on a 67% turnout, but with all the uncertainties over various polling and turnout issues a Leave vote is possible, and if any value in the market it is on Leave. Turnout is a better option.
She is a collective like Abba but the girls are called Nina and Nellie.
DO keep up.
Maybe Etihad was one of King Arthur's knights of the round table, asleep until our hour of need? Or maybe it is just the English defence that sleeps....
TV projection still 50/50, but projecting Van der Bellen to win by 3K votes nationwide once postals counted - he will win Vienna, Vorarlberg, Tirol (projection after postals).
Hofer wins Carinthia, Styria, Burgenland, Salzburg, Lower Austria. Upper Austria may flip to VdB after postals, currently Hofer 50.7%.
But it is not. Drive around and you barely see a poster. People dont seem to be engaging a great desl.
I reckon turnout will be between 50-60%.
Brexiters would walk through snowdrifts to vote but the remain case is quite technocratic and dull and isnt the sort of thing to inspire someone tepid to go out and vote.
This closes the gap. I also think (and know in a few cases)the death of the first born over the topness of project fear is annoying people who tended to remain at the start of this but will now vote OUT or not vote as Cameron and the remainers have insulted their intelligence and and destroyed their respect for Cameron and co.
How the Remainers must wish that the SNP had acted like most European nationalist countries.and opted for Brexit.
Turnout 50-60% seems quite good value. Turnout will probably be less than a GE.
If so, can you canvas for Remain please? Leave needs all the help it can get at the moment.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/economy/280761-moodys-election-model-sticks-with-democrats?platform=hootsuite
45.60% London Assembly
45.30% Wales
55.60% Scotland
54.20% Northern Ire
Now why would more people turn out in the referendum in Wales and Scotland, than turned out to vote 3 weeks ago? There is going to be almost no GOTV operation in most areas - both camps lack the canvass data and lack the activists. Any knocking up would risk reminding the opposing voters to vote.