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@Alanbrooke - Very good! (Although I'm not sure about the 'scouser' bit)

TheScreamingEagles said:

Wanderer said:

Does anyone self-identify as "WWC"? It sounds like an outsized toilet.

If I were white, I would self identify as WWC, but as it is, I'm just WC.

your'e a lawyer, you don't actually work.

Richard_Nabavi said:

Alanbrooke said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

taffys said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!

Its good to see remainer tories riding to the defence of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour MPs.

I'm not, I'm riding to the defence of the elite.

it's ok Richard you're not part of it.

Certainly not!

Or at least, I think I'm not. I have just ordered a case of Léoville Barton 2015, so maybe I am. But I paid for it from my betting winnings, so maybe not. The main question is whether it's ready to drink before I pop my clogs.

LOL. Giscours is also worth a look but is an equally distant pleasure..

https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/733327610500009987

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!

Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?

I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.

Is that because you haven't met any before ?

I'm the only Tory in South Yorkshire, I'm surrounded by the WWC

No youre surrounded by the AAC - Asian aspirational class.

Is that a big demographic in Barnsley?

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Alanbrooke said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

taffys said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!

Its good to see remainer tories riding to the defence of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour MPs.

I'm not, I'm riding to the defence of the elite.

it's ok Richard you're not part of it.

Certainly not!

Or at least, I think I'm not. I have just ordered a case of Léoville Barton 2015, so maybe I am. But I paid for it from my betting winnings, so maybe not. The main question is whether it's ready to drink before I pop my clogs.

Worse than that Richard. It's whether it's ready to drink before you turn into SeanT.

Surprising

I had Richard down as more of a lager man.

Alanbrooke said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Alanbrooke said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

taffys said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!

Its good to see remainer tories riding to the defence of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour MPs.

I'm not, I'm riding to the defence of the elite.

it's ok Richard you're not part of it.

Certainly not!

Or at least, I think I'm not. I have just ordered a case of Léoville Barton 2015, so maybe I am. But I paid for it from my betting winnings, so maybe not. The main question is whether it's ready to drink before I pop my clogs.

Worse than that Richard. It's whether it's ready to drink before you turn into SeanT.

Surprising

I had Richard down as more of a lager man.

You clearly have not met him...

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Golfer Mickelson Named In Trading Scam Case
http://news.sky.com/story/1698899/golfer-mickelson-named-in-trading-scam-case

I know which side all the big bookies are rooting for...billy Walters is a legendary sports bettor who has spent years and years beating then.

Bookies really want to see Walters finally taken out. He's been taking them for millions every week for years at the sports book.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12280555/how-billy-walters-became-sports-most-successful-controversial-bettor

Interviews with a guy called Alan Boston (who helped pick college basketball for Walters) are always fascinating listening.

Haralabos Voulgaris (nothing to do with Walters) is also super interesting guy. He is one of the top nba bettors in the world.

Interesting, thanks.. Walters is a fascinating character - the first pro gambler to have a computer, mobile phones and a big team in Vegas placing bets for him before the bookies knew what he was up to.

He certainly is. The rumours about him & his activities have been about for a long time. It will be interesting how all this pans out. These days he is amazingly well connected.

These days with dfs (daily fantasy sports), there are also sort of groups of nerds "in the lab " crunching the numbers to beat this new form of gambling.

John Oliver on Daily Fantasy Sports.
Basically no-one is winning unless they're professionals at it, with large spreadsheets and researchers.

The formula for winning is pretty simple - enter hundreds of high variance teams at a time, it's basically offering up hundreds of value betting opportunities every day - much like the online poker boom of the 00s.

Eventually the pool of suckers will run dry.

Alistair said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Golfer Mickelson Named In Trading Scam Case
http://news.sky.com/story/1698899/golfer-mickelson-named-in-trading-scam-case

I know which side all the big bookies are rooting for...billy Walters is a legendary sports bettor who has spent years and years beating then.

Bookies really want to see Walters finally taken out. He's been taking them for millions every week for years at the sports book.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12280555/how-billy-walters-became-sports-most-successful-controversial-bettor

Interviews with a guy called Alan Boston (who helped pick college basketball for Walters) are always fascinating listening.

Haralabos Voulgaris (nothing to do with Walters) is also super interesting guy. He is one of the top nba bettors in the world.

Interesting, thanks.. Walters is a fascinating character - the first pro gambler to have a computer, mobile phones and a big team in Vegas placing bets for him before the bookies knew what he was up to.

He certainly is. The rumours about him & his activities have been about for a long time. It will be interesting how all this pans out. These days he is amazingly well connected.

These days with dfs (daily fantasy sports), there are also sort of groups of nerds "in the lab " crunching the numbers to beat this new form of gambling.

John Oliver on Daily Fantasy Sports.
Basically no-one is winning unless they're professionals at it, with large spreadsheets and researchers.

The formula for winning is pretty simple - enter hundreds of high variance teams at a time, it's basically offering up hundreds of value betting opportunities every day - much like the online poker boom of the 00s.

Eventually the pool of suckers will run dry.

To succeed at dfs it's a little bit more complex than that. Most of the pros win at the low stakes against the droolers to enable them to compete in the high stakes pools for a chance to make good money. However the level of sophistication is such that it already very difficult to overcome rake & competition to parlay this into big bucks...the evolution cycle is proceeding more quickly than poker.

Plato_Says said:

https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/733327610500009987

What's the context. Those look like unguided artillery rockets, like Katyusha rockets.

New Welsh government


Health, well being and sport: Vaughan Gething
Finance and Local Government: Mark Drakeford
Education: Kristy Williams
Environment and Rural Affairs: Lesley Griffiths
Communities and Children: Carl Sergeant

Leader of the House and Chief Whip: Jane Hutt

Junior minister

Skills and Science: Julie James
Lifelong learning and Welsh language: Alun Davies
Social Services and Public Health: Rebecca Evans

Hmm Selling to the US at $100/hr is good when it's 1.4ish to the £. Not quite the rate of Max's electrician though

Sandpit said:

Pulpstar said:

Sandpit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Plato_Says said:

Glass backtracks after horrible racist remark: "Concerns about immigration are entirely valid & its important politicians engage with them"

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/733304888839548928

Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

To call Pat Glass elite is to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.

When is it going to stop raining at Headingly?

How much have you laid the draw for ?

£60*, my standard cricket bet, changed from £50 in honour of the Convicts' meek capitulation for that score in the Ashes test last year.

*actually I forgot about there being a Test in May and am out of cash, so virtual betting on the spreadsheet for this Test.

Any thoughts on England's first inning total. I'm thinking around 225.

MTimT said:

AndreaParma_82 said:

New Welsh government


Health, well being and sport: Vaughan Gething
Finance and Local Government: Mark Drakeford
Education: Kristy Williams
Environment and Rural Affairs: Lesley Griffiths
Communities and Children: Carl Sergeant

Leader of the House and Chief Whip: Jane Hutt

Junior minister

Skills and Science: Julie James
Lifelong learning and Welsh language: Alun Davies
Social Services and Public Health: Rebecca Evans

Given recent posting, I started trying to read it as a limerick. Then I realized it wasn't, when I couldn't get it to scan ...

Ha!

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!

Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?

I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.

Is that because you haven't met any before ?

I'm the only Tory in South Yorkshire, I'm surrounded by the WWC

No youre surrounded by the AAC - Asian aspirational class.

I'm in area with 95% white population.

Too good to live with the rest of us Asians?

Yup. I'm surrounded by the professional middle classes.

FrancisUrquhart said:

SouthamObserver said:

Just out of interest, how would posters on here describe working class? If you are born into it do you ever leave it? For what it's worth, I'd say that I was born into a working class family, but am now firmly a member of the middle class. I reckon you can move up, but that you don't move down - though your descendants can. No MP, on £65,000 plus a year, is working class in my view. Not even Dennis Skinner.

I would like to see his reaction to.somebody telling him that ;-)

I think attitude to money is the most defining feature, though I am not keen even on that in principle. The working class live day to day; the middle class always want more and the upper class don't talk about it.

FrancisUrquhart said:

SouthamObserver said:

Just out of interest, how would posters on here describe working class? If you are born into it do you ever leave it? For what it's worth, I'd say that I was born into a working class family, but am now firmly a member of the middle class. I reckon you can move up, but that you don't move down - though your descendants can. No MP, on £65,000 plus a year, is working class in my view. Not even Dennis Skinner.

I would like to see his reaction to.somebody telling him that ;-)

I'd see it more as a cultural self-identification and worldview rather than an income bracket. That said, I don't thinking anyone who was born with a silver spoon in their mouth could ever become 'working class', but I have no problem if Skinner does. His credibility in doing so would be entirely related to his ability to understand and empathize at a visceral level with the WC's problems and concerns.

BBC PARLIAMENT
BBC PARLIAMENT

75: Not Out

Angela Rippon presents 75: Not Out. As the UK prepares to go to the polls over membership of the EU, BBC Parliament looks back to 5 June 1975 when the British public was asked to vote on being part of the European Economic Community (EEC) in the country’s first ever nationwide referendum.

Legendary BBC newsreader Angela Rippon returns to the story she covered as a young journalist, presenting an evening of programmes from the BBC archives and sharing her memories of the political turmoil of a nation - and a government - divided.

The circumstances sound familiar: A Prime Minister promises to renegotiate the country's terms of European membership and then takes the choice to the people. He makes the unprecedented decision to allow members of his cabinet to campaign to leave, despite his government urging the public to vote yes. But the Prime Minster in question was Harold Wilson, and the year was 1975.

Viewers will be treated to key moments in the 1975 campaign including the tense Panorama head-to-head between Tony Benn and Roy Jenkins and the riotous Oxford Union debate between Barbara Castle, Ted Heath, Jeremy Thorpe and Peter Shore. Newly-crowned Conservative leader Margaret Thatcher pops up in her striking European flag jumper and to give her support to the ‘In’ campaign on Newsday. The night ends with a young David Dimbleby presenting his first national results programme, when 67 percent of British voters said ‘Yes’ to the UK's membership of the European Economic Community (EEC).

Join BBC Parliament on 5 June for 75: Not Out, a trip down memory lane, when no studio was too beige and no collar too large.

75: Not Out Schedule
19:05 The National Referendum Campaign ‘Out Into The World’ party political broadcast

19:15 Part I: Debate from the Oxford Union featuring Peter Shore & Jeremy Thorpe

20:05 ‘Britain In Europe’ party political broadcast with Jim Callaghan, Shirley Williams, David Steel, Willie Whitelaw and Roy Jenkins

20:15 The Rock and Roll Years 1975

20:45 Newsday: Angela Rippon reads the news, Michael Charlton interviews Conservative leader Margaret Thatcher

21:00 Panorama: David Dimbleby presents a head to head debate between Tony Benn and Roy Jenkins

21:50 Nationwide: Bernard Falk talks to ex-pat Brits living in Brussels

22:00 Part II: Debate from the Oxford Union featuring Barbara Castle and Ted Heath

23:00 News: Pro-marketeers celebrate victory and Tony Benn is graceful in defeat

23:05 Referendum results programme presented by David Dimbleby with David Butler

Sunday 5 June

7.00pm-1.05am

BBC PARLIAMENT

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!

Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?

I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.

Is that because you haven't met any before ?

I'm the only Tory in South Yorkshire, I'm surrounded by the WWC

No youre surrounded by the AAC - Asian aspirational class.

I'm in area with 95% white population.

Blocks, even my village isn't that white.

Looking here it is 92% White, 4% Asian

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/sheffieldhallam/

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/ilfordnorth/
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/images/pie2/1328pie4.png

Ilford North is:

52% white, 33% Asian, 8% Black

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!

Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?

I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.

Is that because you haven't met any before ?

I'm the only Tory in South Yorkshire, I'm surrounded by the WWC

No youre surrounded by the AAC - Asian aspirational class.

I'm in area with 95% white population.

Blocks, even my village isn't that white.

Looking here it is 92% White, 4% Asian

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/sheffieldhallam/

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/ilfordnorth/
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/images/pie2/1328pie4.png

Ilford North is:

52% white, 33% Asian, 8% Black

And has a good rail network with low cost hotels.

FrancisUrquhart said:

SouthamObserver said:

Just out of interest, how would posters on here describe working class? If you are born into it do you ever leave it? For what it's worth, I'd say that I was born into a working class family, but am now firmly a member of the middle class. I reckon you can move up, but that you don't move down - though your descendants can. No MP, on £65,000 plus a year, is working class in my view. Not even Dennis Skinner.

I would like to see his reaction to.somebody telling him that ;-)

For some reason a lot of middle class people like to pretend they are still working class.

SouthamObserver said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

SouthamObserver said:

Just out of interest, how would posters on here describe working class? If you are born into it do you ever leave it? For what it's worth, I'd say that I was born into a working class family, but am now firmly a member of the middle class. I reckon you can move up, but that you don't move down - though your descendants can. No MP, on £65,000 plus a year, is working class in my view. Not even Dennis Skinner.

I would like to see his reaction to.somebody telling him that ;-)

For some reason a lot of middle class people like to pretend they are still working class.

I think partially because the term working class is a misnomer.

I would say I am middle class but I would also say I work damned hard so the idea I'm not so-called working class is odd. It is bizarre that a person working 50 hours a week is not working class but someone working 16 hours a week (if at all) is.

MTimT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

SouthamObserver said:

Just out of interest, how would posters on here describe working class? If you are born into it do you ever leave it? For what it's worth, I'd say that I was born into a working class family, but am now firmly a member of the middle class. I reckon you can move up, but that you don't move down - though your descendants can. No MP, on £65,000 plus a year, is working class in my view. Not even Dennis Skinner.

I would like to see his reaction to.somebody telling him that ;-)

I'd see it more as a cultural self-identification and worldview rather than an income bracket. That said, I don't thinking anyone who was born with a silver spoon in their mouth could ever become 'working class', but I have no problem if Skinner does. His credibility in doing so would be entirely related to his ability to understand and empathize at a visceral level with the WC's problems and concerns.

You can do that without being working class. I think I pretty much get working class aspiration, piss taking, attitudes to everything from drink to football to violence, worries about immigration etc, because I have come from there. But I am not there anymore. Neither is Mr Skinner. And, of course, there is no single working class bloc.

Mr. Observer, you decadent metropolitan bourgeois capitalist, you.

RodCrosby said:

Clinton in BIG trouble

5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
2016 General Election
Trump 42% Clinton 37%

Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

Blimey.

marke09 said:

BBC PARLIAMENT
BBC PARLIAMENT

75: Not Out

Angela Rippon presents 75: Not Out. As the UK prepares to go to the polls over membership of the EU, BBC Parliament looks back to 5 June 1975 when the British public was asked to vote on being part of the European Economic Community (EEC) in the country’s first ever nationwide referendum.

Legendary BBC newsreader Angela Rippon returns to the story she covered as a young journalist, presenting an evening of programmes from the BBC archives and sharing her memories of the political turmoil of a nation - and a government - divided.

The circumstances sound familiar: A Prime Minister promises to renegotiate the country's terms of European membership and then takes the choice to the people. He makes the unprecedented decision to allow members of his cabinet to campaign to leave, despite his government urging the public to vote yes. But the Prime Minster in question was Harold Wilson, and the year was 1975.

Viewers will be treated to key moments in the 1975 campaign including the tense Panorama head-to-head between Tony Benn and Roy Jenkins and the riotous Oxford Union debate between Barbara Castle, Ted Heath, Jeremy Thorpe and Peter Shore. Newly-crowned Conservative leader Margaret Thatcher pops up in her striking European flag jumper and to give her support to the ‘In’ campaign on Newsday. The night ends with a young David Dimbleby presenting his first national results programme, when 67 percent of British voters said ‘Yes’ to the UK's membership of the European Economic Community (EEC).

Join BBC Parliament on 5 June for 75: Not Out, a trip down memory lane, when no studio was too beige and no collar too large.

75: Not Out Schedule
19:05 The National Referendum Campaign ‘Out Into The World’ party political broadcast

19:15 Part I: Debate from the Oxford Union featuring Peter Shore & Jeremy Thorpe

20:05 ‘Britain In Europe’ party political broadcast with Jim Callaghan, Shirley Williams, David Steel, Willie Whitelaw and Roy Jenkins

20:15 The Rock and Roll Years 1975

20:45 Newsday: Angela Rippon reads the news, Michael Charlton interviews Conservative leader Margaret Thatcher

21:00 Panorama: David Dimbleby presents a head to head debate between Tony Benn and Roy Jenkins

21:50 Nationwide: Bernard Falk talks to ex-pat Brits living in Brussels

22:00 Part II: Debate from the Oxford Union featuring Barbara Castle and Ted Heath

23:00 News: Pro-marketeers celebrate victory and Tony Benn is graceful in defeat

23:05 Referendum results programme presented by David Dimbleby with David Butler

Sunday 5 June

7.00pm-1.05am

BBC PARLIAMENT

I was at that Oxford Union debate, seated close to the front....wonder if the TV captured a 19 year old John O (though even in those salad days of youth, a face made for radio).

anothernick said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!

Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?

I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.

Interesting. A few weeks ago there was some nervousness amongst the metropolitan Labour elite that WWC Labour voters outside London might not be motivated to turn out or even tempted to vote leave by the siren calls of UKIP.

Fortunately the unions have weighed in heavily and Corbyn & McDonnell have done a lot to dispel talk that they were only lukewarm about Remain.

I find it amusing when people like Blackburn63 confidently assert there will be "very few" WWC voters backing Remain outside of London. I doubt they they have a clue what campaigning the unions are doing.

Who can forget how well UKIP were going to do in last years' s Oldham by-election?

I am expecting very substantial numbers of WWC Remain voters, particularly in the big cities.

Hillary is just as big a mathematical cert as the Donald is for the nomination (I suppose either one of them could die between now and the convention (Or be arrested (Trump U, E-mails) but neither scenario is particularly likely))

What has screwed Hillary is that it simply hasn't looked that way - she has not had a big somewhat unexpected against the demographics win like Trump had in IN (Her bigger than expected victories were on Super Tuesday in very AA states where she was a mile ahead anyway), and Bernie has stayed in way past the point it is even vaguely plausible he can win unlike Cruz/Kasich !

Bernie has had as many winning nights as Hillary too, which has distorted perceptions

SouthamObserver said:

MTimT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

SouthamObserver said:

Just out of interest, how would posters on here describe working class? If you are born into it do you ever leave it? For what it's worth, I'd say that I was born into a working class family, but am now firmly a member of the middle class. I reckon you can move up, but that you don't move down - though your descendants can. No MP, on £65,000 plus a year, is working class in my view. Not even Dennis Skinner.

I would like to see his reaction to.somebody telling him that ;-)

I'd see it more as a cultural self-identification and worldview rather than an income bracket. That said, I don't thinking anyone who was born with a silver spoon in their mouth could ever become 'working class', but I have no problem if Skinner does. His credibility in doing so would be entirely related to his ability to understand and empathize at a visceral level with the WC's problems and concerns.

You can do that without being working class. I think I pretty much get working class aspiration, piss taking, attitudes to everything from drink to football to violence, worries about immigration etc, because I have come from there. But I am not there anymore. Neither is Mr Skinner. And, of course, there is no single working class bloc.

Indeed. My point about the silver spoon is that, unless one has genuinely experienced 'being working class' firsthand - and that probably implies being born into it - I don't think you can credibly claim to be working class. No champagne socialist could ever make the claim credibly, no matter how much they try to empathize. But if you were born into it, you can still conjure up what being in that culture means. Despite my current relative affluence, I can still recall what it meant for my mother to have to budget the food shop in a way that would be entirely artificial for the Posh Boys.

PAW said:

Middle class is best described as clinging to the belly of the upper class, I've heard.

I thought it meant actually following the rules.

RodCrosby said:

Philip_Thompson said:

RodCrosby said:

Clinton in BIG trouble

5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
2016 General Election
Trump 42% Clinton 37%

Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

Take any polls when one nominee is in place but another isn't with a mammoth dollop of salt.

Supporters of Trump's opponents within the party are at the point where they're begrudgingly getting behind him. Same can not be said for Hillary.

So true....Problem is, Bernie's supporters may well get behind The Donald!

Indeed. I saw a poll suggesting up to 35% of his support in WV will go to Trump. Not that that will make one iota of difference to the make up of the Electoral College.

MonikerDiCanio said:

RodCrosby said:

Clinton in BIG trouble

5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
2016 General Election
Trump 42% Clinton 37%

Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

I'm worried that the Democrats will read the writing on the wall and slay the monster before the Presidential run-off.

I don't think you need to worry. The Clintons won't give up unless their dead bodies are pried from the nomination. And with 90%+ of the Dem Establishment vying desperately for floor passes to the Convention, no-one will jump ship until it is too late.

midwinter said:

blackburn63 said:

OllyT said:

anothernick said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!

Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?

I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.

Interesting. A few weeks ago there was some nervousness amongst the metropolitan Labour elite that WWC Labour voters outside London might not be motivated to turn out or even tempted to vote leave by the siren calls of UKIP.

Fortunately the unions have weighed in heavily and Corbyn & McDonnell have done a lot to dispel talk that they were only lukewarm about Remain.

I find it amusing when people like Blackburn63 confidently assert there will be "very few" WWC voters backing Remain outside of London. I doubt they they have a clue what campaigning the unions are doing.

Who can forget how well UKIP were going to do in last years' s Oldham by-election?

I am expecting very substantial numbers of WWC Remain voters, particularly in the big cities.

Do you live in London?

Certainly where I live (coast of West Sussex) most elderly WWC and a lot of middle class seem pro leave. Same amongst younger tradesmen.

Proximity to Calais a factor?

RodCrosby said:

Clinton in BIG trouble

5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
2016 General Election
Trump 42% Clinton 37%

Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

It's strange that Romney only stood for one term.

Rasmussen's 2012 performance was garbage.

Men only? The UK's last strongholds of masculinity as Muirfield keeps ban on women members
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/articles/36332346

Very sexist article...no exploration of women only clubs, only.a token mention in the final sentence! ;-)

Ken Skates gets Economy and Infrastructure in Welsh cabinet. I forgot him earlier. So that is 6 cabinet members; the chief whip and 3 junior ministers.

Skates and Gething got promotion. The LibDem joins in. No one gets demoted as there were 3 retirements and 1 defeat among previous members.

blackburn63 said:

MTimT said:

midwinter said:

blackburn63 said:

OllyT said:

anothernick said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!

Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?

I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.

Interesting. A few weeks ago there was some nervousness amongst the metropolitan Labour elite that WWC Labour voters outside London might not be motivated to turn out or even tempted to vote leave by the siren calls of UKIP.

Fortunately the unions have weighed in heavily and Corbyn & McDonnell have done a lot to dispel talk that they were only lukewarm about Remain.

I find it amusing when people like Blackburn63 confidently assert there will be "very few" WWC voters backing Remain outside of London. I doubt they they have a clue what campaigning the unions are doing.

Who can forget how well UKIP were going to do in last years' s Oldham by-election?

I am expecting very substantial numbers of WWC Remain voters, particularly in the big cities.

Do you live in London?

Certainly where I live (coast of West Sussex) most elderly WWC and a lot of middle class seem pro leave. Same amongst younger tradesmen.

Proximity to Calais a factor?

West Sussex close to Calais?

Certainly relative to Scotland or Cornwall.

blackburn63 said:

MTimT said:

midwinter said:

blackburn63 said:

OllyT said:

anothernick said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!

Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?

I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.

Interesting. A few weeks ago there was some nervousness amongst the metropolitan Labour elite that WWC Labour voters outside London might not be motivated to turn out or even tempted to vote leave by the siren calls of UKIP.

Fortunately the unions have weighed in heavily and Corbyn & McDonnell have done a lot to dispel talk that they were only lukewarm about Remain.

I find it amusing when people like Blackburn63 confidently assert there will be "very few" WWC voters backing Remain outside of London. I doubt they they have a clue what campaigning the unions are doing.

Who can forget how well UKIP were going to do in last years' s Oldham by-election?

I am expecting very substantial numbers of WWC Remain voters, particularly in the big cities.

Do you live in London?

Certainly where I live (coast of West Sussex) most elderly WWC and a lot of middle class seem pro leave. Same amongst younger tradesmen.

Proximity to Calais a factor?

West Sussex close to Calais?

98 miles as the crow flies from Calais to Worthing. So less than my daily commute round trip. Ergo, in my book, relatively close by. Certainly only a hop in terms of modern economic migration.

MTimT said:

blackburn63 said:

MTimT said:

midwinter said:

blackburn63 said:

OllyT said:

anothernick said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!

Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?

I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.

Interesting. A few weeks ago there was some nervousness amongst the metropolitan Labour elite that WWC Labour voters outside London might not be motivated to turn out or even tempted to vote leave by the siren calls of UKIP.

Fortunately the unions have weighed in heavily and Corbyn & McDonnell have done a lot to dispel talk that they were only lukewarm about Remain.

I find it amusing when people like Blackburn63 confidently assert there will be "very few" WWC voters backing Remain outside of London. I doubt they they have a clue what campaigning the unions are doing.

Who can forget how well UKIP were going to do in last years' s Oldham by-election?

I am expecting very substantial numbers of WWC Remain voters, particularly in the big cities.

Do you live in London?

Certainly where I live (coast of West Sussex) most elderly WWC and a lot of middle class seem pro leave. Same amongst younger tradesmen.

Proximity to Calais a factor?

West Sussex close to Calais?

Certainly relative to Scotland or Cornwall.

Dover is in Kent, not West Sussex

Sunil_Prasannan said:

MTimT said:

blackburn63 said:

MTimT said:

midwinter said:

blackburn63 said:

OllyT said:

anothernick said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!

Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?

I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.

Interesting. A few weeks ago there was some nervousness amongst the metropolitan Labour elite that WWC Labour voters outside London might not be motivated to turn out or even tempted to vote leave by the siren calls of UKIP.

Fortunately the unions have weighed in heavily and Corbyn & McDonnell have done a lot to dispel talk that they were only lukewarm about Remain.

I find it amusing when people like Blackburn63 confidently assert there will be "very few" WWC voters backing Remain outside of London. I doubt they they have a clue what campaigning the unions are doing.

Who can forget how well UKIP were going to do in last years' s Oldham by-election?

I am expecting very substantial numbers of WWC Remain voters, particularly in the big cities.

Do you live in London?

Certainly where I live (coast of West Sussex) most elderly WWC and a lot of middle class seem pro leave. Same amongst younger tradesmen.

Proximity to Calais a factor?

West Sussex close to Calais?

Certainly relative to Scotland or Cornwall.

Dover is in Kent, not West Sussex

I do understand that. Worthing is as close to Calais as Baltimore is to Philly.

MTimT said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

MTimT said:

blackburn63 said:

MTimT said:

midwinter said:

blackburn63 said:

OllyT said:

anothernick said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!

Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?

I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.

Interesting. A few weeks ago there was some nervousness amongst the metropolitan Labour elite that WWC Labour voters outside London might not be motivated to turn out or even tempted to vote leave by the siren calls of UKIP.

Fortunately the unions have weighed in heavily and Corbyn & McDonnell have done a lot to dispel talk that they were only lukewarm about Remain.

I find it amusing when people like Blackburn63 confidently assert there will be "very few" WWC voters backing Remain outside of London. I doubt they they have a clue what campaigning the unions are doing.

Who can forget how well UKIP were going to do in last years' s Oldham by-election?

I am expecting very substantial numbers of WWC Remain voters, particularly in the big cities.

Do you live in London?

Certainly where I live (coast of West Sussex) most elderly WWC and a lot of middle class seem pro leave. Same amongst younger tradesmen.

Proximity to Calais a factor?

West Sussex close to Calais?

Certainly relative to Scotland or Cornwall.

Dover is in Kent, not West Sussex

I do understand that. Worthing is as close to Calais as Baltimore is to Philly.

And London, UK, is closer to Washington DC than Honolulu, Hawaii, is to DC.

LewisDuckworth said:

Nate Silver got it wrong:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-i-acted-like-a-pundit-and-screwed-up-on-donald-trump/?ex_cid=538twitter

“It takes a lifetime to build a good reputation, but you can lose it in a minute."

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. D, quite. The sooner the fallopian-deprived apes learn their place the better.

Positions of power and influence??

MonikerDiCanio said:

LewisDuckworth said:

Nate Silver got it wrong:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-i-acted-like-a-pundit-and-screwed-up-on-donald-trump/?ex_cid=538twitter

“It takes a lifetime to build a good reputation, but you can lose it in a minute."

Sam Wang is enjoying Nate's pisspoor 2016 immensely:

http://election.princeton.edu/

@TelePolitics: John Swinney told to rethink SNP state guardian plan on first full day in new job https://t.co/6WDD3BYEMH https://t.co/5sRfqACKhW