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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Age versus social class: ComRes assess the first test for their turnout model and its implications for EURef

The polls for the London mayoral election performed strongly across the board, perhaps bringing pollsters some respite following last year’s General Election. But as pollsters, we must be careful never to rest on our laurels and make sure to review our methods and seek to improve when things go well, as well as when bigger problems occur.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,558
    edited May 2016
    Welcome Adam, excellent post.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Very interesting. Thanks.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,377
    Rain stops play at Headingley.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Good, clear, article, thanks Adam.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Interesting piece, Mr. Ludlow. Look forward to seeing how interesting the 10pm poll is.

    FPT: Mr. Sandpit, I agree, with a caveat. The McLaren is still unreliable, and nowhere's easier to crash than Monaco (although that can also help them if cars ahead fail to finish).
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Back in from a meeting, we were 5 down as I went in. Now to put on TMS...

    how many threads have I missed!!!
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Welcome Adam, excellent post.

    Indeed.

    "Age Versus Social Class" ... What about "Age and Aristocracy" ? .... :smile:
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    This plane was in Tunisia previous to Paris.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059

    Rain stops play at Headingley.

    You are joking!!! Spurs and English cricket fan... it's a curse.

    Thank goodness I'm not a moderate red or really it would all be too much
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Back in from a meeting, we were 5 down as I went in. Now to put on TMS...

    how many threads have I missed!!!

    Still only five down, and it's raining.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    This is a really helpful article, thank you. I don't envy pollsters having to keep track constantly of changing social trends in order to stay accurate. It's an impossible job.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    edited May 2016
    Good article, thanks Adam and thanks OGH for engaging with the pollsters.
    Looking forward to 10pm, if this is also a 10 point remain lead do we call it now?
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Not for the first time this week, Bollocks.

    The only highlight has been my first telephone poll call and helping lead the blue surge to remain as a result.....
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,377
    Interesting article, thanks Mr Ludlow.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    Sandpit said:

    Good article, thanks Adam and thnaks OGH for engaging with the pollsters.
    Looking forward to 10pm, if this is also a 10 point remain lead do we call it now?

    Fat lady will definitely be in final stages of preparation & paddy power drafting the press release to inform they are paying out early...
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Great insight - thanks so much, Adam for being so transparent and informative.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    edited May 2016

    Interesting piece, Mr. Ludlow. Look forward to seeing how interesting the 10pm poll is.

    FPT: Mr. Sandpit, I agree, with a caveat. The McLaren is still unreliable, and nowhere's easier to crash than Monaco (although that can also help them if cars ahead fail to finish).

    Monaco is Monaco, everyone's more likely to crash there (even Senna screwed up once!) so the odds you'd take should be a little longer than usual, but the Woking boys are both very experienced drivers and should qualify and finish well if the cars hold up. It's their best opportunity of the year and they know it.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,981
    Very interesting :)
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    The PredictIt - Betfair divide is out for all to see

    PredictIt, Hillary@1.75
    Betfair, Hillary@1.45

    PredictIt, Trump@2.33
    Betfair, Trump@3.75
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Mr. Sandpit, alas, the markets haven't yet gotten going, so we can't assess the odds yet.

    Sainz may be looking good too. He had a strong race in Spain, but, understandably, barely got a moment on the screen once he slipped to 5th.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Indeed, an interesting article and good news for polling in general elections.

    I still wonder how similar the electorates for national/local elections are to those for 'once in a lifetime' referenda.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Interesting and clear article, thank you.

    Interesting that the idea that demographic turnout (boosting Remain) could trump age-related turnout (boosting Leave). I'm not surprised. Leave need to try and swing AB voters over rather than just chase non-voters.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,981
    Alistair said:

    The PredictIt - Betfair divide is out for all to see

    PredictIt, Hillary@1.75
    Betfair, Hillary@1.45

    PredictIt, Trump@2.33
    Betfair, Trump@3.75

    Predictit - More like Gold mine it.

    Oh to be able to bet there from the UK !
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    The PredictIt - Betfair divide is out for all to see

    PredictIt, Hillary@1.75
    Betfair, Hillary@1.45

    PredictIt, Trump@2.33
    Betfair, Trump@3.75

    Predictit - More like Gold mine it.

    Oh to be able to bet there from the UK !
    Yeah but if you could we all could (the other exchanges, moribund in comparison to BF, inevitably just follow it).

    Incidentally do you have to be a US citizen or just physically in the US? Or have a US bank account?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    Alistair said:

    The PredictIt - Betfair divide is out for all to see

    PredictIt, Hillary@1.75
    Betfair, Hillary@1.45

    PredictIt, Trump@2.33
    Betfair, Trump@3.75

    Ooh, that's a rather large arb for anyone who can get on both markets.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,981
    Sandpit said:

    Alistair said:

    The PredictIt - Betfair divide is out for all to see

    PredictIt, Hillary@1.75
    Betfair, Hillary@1.45

    PredictIt, Trump@2.33
    Betfair, Trump@3.75

    Ooh, that's a rather large arb for anyone who can get on both markets.
    16% arb on the Donald :o
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Alistair said:

    The PredictIt - Betfair divide is out for all to see

    PredictIt, Hillary@1.75
    Betfair, Hillary@1.45

    PredictIt, Trump@2.33
    Betfair, Trump@3.75

    Ooh, that's a rather large arb for anyone who can get on both markets.
    16% arb on the Donald :o
    Pity about the currency risk and charges.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    Golfer Mickelson Named In Trading Scam Case
    http://news.sky.com/story/1698899/golfer-mickelson-named-in-trading-scam-case

    I know which side all the big bookies are rooting for...billy Walters is a legendary sports bettor who has spent years and years beating then.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Sandpit said:

    Alistair said:

    The PredictIt - Betfair divide is out for all to see

    PredictIt, Hillary@1.75
    Betfair, Hillary@1.45

    PredictIt, Trump@2.33
    Betfair, Trump@3.75

    Ooh, that's a rather large arb for anyone who can get on both markets.
    It's only an arb if you can deal with the currency variations isn't it?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    edited May 2016

    Golfer Mickelson Named In Trading Scam Case
    http://news.sky.com/story/1698899/golfer-mickelson-named-in-trading-scam-case

    I know which side all the big bookies are rooting for...billy Walters is a legendary sports bettor who has spent years and years beating then.

    Bookies really want to see Walters finally taken out. He's been taking them for millions every week for years at the sports book, a massive operation he has running.
    http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12280555/how-billy-walters-became-sports-most-successful-controversial-bettor
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Sandpit said:

    Good article, thanks Adam and thanks OGH for engaging with the pollsters.
    Looking forward to 10pm, if this is also a 10 point remain lead do we call it now?

    If we have another phone poll famine then it could be the last good-looking poll for Remain in a while (if, indeed, it is good for Remain).
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,981
    edited May 2016

    Sandpit said:

    Alistair said:

    The PredictIt - Betfair divide is out for all to see

    PredictIt, Hillary@1.75
    Betfair, Hillary@1.45

    PredictIt, Trump@2.33
    Betfair, Trump@3.75

    Ooh, that's a rather large arb for anyone who can get on both markets.
    It's only an arb if you can deal with the currency variations isn't it?
    It's full of idiots - Take this market for example:

    https://www.predictit.org/Contract/2468/Will-the-margin-of-victory-in-the-New-York-Democratic-primary-exceed-15-percentage-points#data

    That is a 5% return whenever the results are certified, as sure as tommorow is a friday.
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,578

    Interesting and clear article, thank you.

    Interesting that the idea that demographic turnout (boosting Remain) could trump age-related turnout (boosting Leave). I'm not surprised. Leave need to try and swing AB voters over rather than just chase non-voters.

    That is the nub of it for this referendum IMO. If the younger age groups in ABC1 turn out Remain will walk it. If they don't, the preponderance of older Leave voters will make it much closer.

    No good chasing non-voters - they are non-voters, they don't vote. The idea that non-voters will be inspired by Leave (or Corbyn's Labour) to break the non-voting habit of a lifetime is for the birds. Leave has to win over those who do vote.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    The PredictIt - Betfair divide is out for all to see

    PredictIt, Hillary@1.75
    Betfair, Hillary@1.45

    PredictIt, Trump@2.33
    Betfair, Trump@3.75

    Predictit - More like Gold mine it.

    Oh to be able to bet there from the UK !
    Yeah but if you could we all could (the other exchanges, moribund in comparison to BF, inevitably just follow it).

    Incidentally do you have to be a US citizen or just physically in the US? Or have a US bank account?
    Looks like you can be Canadian as well
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,558
    Wanderer said:

    Sandpit said:

    Good article, thanks Adam and thanks OGH for engaging with the pollsters.
    Looking forward to 10pm, if this is also a 10 point remain lead do we call it now?

    If we have another phone poll famine then it could be the last good-looking poll for Remain in a while (if, indeed, it is good for Remain).
    My understanding is, and this might change is, we'll see a lot more phone polls, with most of the major pollsters doing weekly polls in the run up to the referendum starting first of June.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    So I'm refurbishing my flat before I sell it next year, just got an emailed quote from an electrician. We need more Polish immigrants. :lol:
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Sandpit said:

    Alistair said:

    The PredictIt - Betfair divide is out for all to see

    PredictIt, Hillary@1.75
    Betfair, Hillary@1.45

    PredictIt, Trump@2.33
    Betfair, Trump@3.75

    Ooh, that's a rather large arb for anyone who can get on both markets.
    It's only an arb if you can deal with the currency variations isn't it?
    Yes, it's not quite so straightforward. Currency variations between now and November, and exchange commissions will reduce the value of it somewhat.

    Interesting that in the UK Hillary is further ahead than in the US, suggests that the UK haven't woken up yet to how close it might be. The Trump back on Betfair is probably the best value of the four bets.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670


    No good chasing non-voters - they are non-voters, they don't vote.

    Scottish Referendum Turnout - 85%
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Are Leave going to make something of Remain's new pin-up girl, Pat Glass?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,981

    Interesting and clear article, thank you.

    Interesting that the idea that demographic turnout (boosting Remain) could trump age-related turnout (boosting Leave). I'm not surprised. Leave need to try and swing AB voters over rather than just chase non-voters.

    That is the nub of it for this referendum IMO. If the younger age groups in ABC1 turn out Remain will walk it. If they don't, the preponderance of older Leave voters will make it much closer.

    No good chasing non-voters - they are non-voters, they don't vote. The idea that non-voters will be inspired by Leave (or Corbyn's Labour) to break the non-voting habit of a lifetime is for the birds. Leave has to win over those who do vote.
    One of my normally non voting colleagues is definitely voting, the office cleaner won't though. Both in theory leavers.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,558
    MaxPB said:

    So I'm refurbishing my flat before I sell it next year, just got an emailed quote from an electrician. We need more Polish immigrants. :lol:

    Join the metropolitan elite and back Remain :lol:
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    edited May 2016
    Sandpit said:

    Golfer Mickelson Named In Trading Scam Case
    http://news.sky.com/story/1698899/golfer-mickelson-named-in-trading-scam-case

    I know which side all the big bookies are rooting for...billy Walters is a legendary sports bettor who has spent years and years beating then.

    Bookies really want to see Walters finally taken out. He's been taking them for millions every week for years at the sports book.
    http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12280555/how-billy-walters-became-sports-most-successful-controversial-bettor
    Interviews with a guy called Alan Boston (who helped pick college basketball for Walters) are always fascinating listening.

    Haralabos Voulgaris (nothing to do with Walters) is also super interesting guy. He is one of the top nba bettors in the world.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    Federer out of French open.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,981

    Wanderer said:

    Sandpit said:

    Good article, thanks Adam and thanks OGH for engaging with the pollsters.
    Looking forward to 10pm, if this is also a 10 point remain lead do we call it now?

    If we have another phone poll famine then it could be the last good-looking poll for Remain in a while (if, indeed, it is good for Remain).
    My understanding is, and this might change is, we'll see a lot more phone polls, with most of the major pollsters doing weekly polls in the run up to the referendum starting first of June.
    Anyone and everyone mixing the phone and online pollsters is producing a nonsense of a graph. You need two lines, demonstrated aptly by ICM and a couple of others producing diametrically opposed results with the differing methodolgies.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    Sandpit said:

    Good article, thanks Adam and thanks OGH for engaging with the pollsters.
    Looking forward to 10pm, if this is also a 10 point remain lead do we call it now?

    I don't think there is a 10pm exit poll for the EU referendum (unfortunately!). There wasn't one either for the Scottish vote IIRC
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ABC1 is surely pretty complex

    ABC1 in Islington is very different to ABC1 in Surrey.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,981

    Federer out of French open.

    Red ink for Tyson !
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited May 2016
    Glass backtracks after horrible racist remark: "Concerns about immigration are entirely valid & its important politicians engage with them"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/733304888839548928
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291

    Glass backtracks after horrible racist remark: "Concerns about immigration are entirely valid & its important politicians engage with them"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/733304888839548928

    Well she won't be going back....
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,558
    Pulpstar said:

    Wanderer said:

    Sandpit said:

    Good article, thanks Adam and thanks OGH for engaging with the pollsters.
    Looking forward to 10pm, if this is also a 10 point remain lead do we call it now?

    If we have another phone poll famine then it could be the last good-looking poll for Remain in a while (if, indeed, it is good for Remain).
    My understanding is, and this might change is, we'll see a lot more phone polls, with most of the major pollsters doing weekly polls in the run up to the referendum starting first of June.
    Anyone and everyone mixing the phone and online pollsters is producing a nonsense of a graph. You need two lines, demonstrated aptly by ICM and a couple of others producing diametrically opposed results with the differing methodolgies.
    Whilst I'm editing PB, I won't be following the Daily Mail policy on graphs on the EURef

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/733283679947132928
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,503

    Glass backtracks after horrible racist remark: "Concerns about immigration are entirely valid & its important politicians engage with them"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/733304888839548928

    Lolz
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    Wanderer said:

    Sandpit said:

    Good article, thanks Adam and thanks OGH for engaging with the pollsters.
    Looking forward to 10pm, if this is also a 10 point remain lead do we call it now?

    If we have another phone poll famine then it could be the last good-looking poll for Remain in a while (if, indeed, it is good for Remain).
    My understanding is, and this might change is, we'll see a lot more phone polls, with most of the major pollsters doing weekly polls in the run up to the referendum starting first of June.
    Ah OK. Worth knowing.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    What is the meaning of this 'Glass' person and his/her remarks?
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753

    Glass backtracks after horrible racist remark: "Concerns about immigration are entirely valid & its important politicians engage with them"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/733304888839548928

    One way leave might try to recover is to shove a wedge between labour remain and conservative remain.

    What does Dave think of Glass?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    Looks like that is it for the cricket today.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Sandpit said:

    Golfer Mickelson Named In Trading Scam Case
    http://news.sky.com/story/1698899/golfer-mickelson-named-in-trading-scam-case

    I know which side all the big bookies are rooting for...billy Walters is a legendary sports bettor who has spent years and years beating then.

    Bookies really want to see Walters finally taken out. He's been taking them for millions every week for years at the sports book.
    http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12280555/how-billy-walters-became-sports-most-successful-controversial-bettor
    Interviews with a guy called Alan Boston (who helped pick college basketball for Walters) are always fascinating listening.

    Haralabos Voulgaris (nothing to do with Walters) is also super interesting guy. He is one of the top nba bettors in the world.
    Interesting, thanks.. Walters is a fascinating character - the first pro gambler to have a computer, mobile phones and a big team in Vegas placing bets for him before the bookies knew what he was up to.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,981

    Glass backtracks after horrible racist remark: "Concerns about immigration are entirely valid & its important politicians engage with them"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/733304888839548928

    Would North West Durham be so different to Erewash in terms of social attitudes ?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Glass backtracks after horrible racist remark: "Concerns about immigration are entirely valid & its important politicians engage with them"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/733304888839548928

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    edited May 2016
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Golfer Mickelson Named In Trading Scam Case
    http://news.sky.com/story/1698899/golfer-mickelson-named-in-trading-scam-case

    I know which side all the big bookies are rooting for...billy Walters is a legendary sports bettor who has spent years and years beating then.

    Bookies really want to see Walters finally taken out. He's been taking them for millions every week for years at the sports book.
    http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12280555/how-billy-walters-became-sports-most-successful-controversial-bettor
    Interviews with a guy called Alan Boston (who helped pick college basketball for Walters) are always fascinating listening.

    Haralabos Voulgaris (nothing to do with Walters) is also super interesting guy. He is one of the top nba bettors in the world.
    Interesting, thanks.. Walters is a fascinating character - the first pro gambler to have a computer, mobile phones and a big team in Vegas placing bets for him before the bookies knew what he was up to.
    He certainly is. The rumours about him & his activities have been about for a long time. It will be interesting how all this pans out. These days he is amazingly well connected.

    These days with dfs (daily fantasy sports), there are also sort of groups of nerds "in the lab " crunching the numbers to beat this new form of gambling.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    Fascinating article Mr Ludlow. This:

    The significance of AB social grades (who lean heavily towards Remain) actually slightly outweighed that of older voters.

    May hold the key to the referendum.....
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,558

    Fascinating article Mr Ludlow. This:

    The significance of AB social grades (who lean heavily towards Remain) actually slightly outweighed that of older voters.

    May hold the key to the referendum.....

    *cough cough*

    "Zac had leads ranging between 22% and 30% with the overs 65s, yet still lost by nearly 14%, which these polls accurately predicted."

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/08/zac-goldsmith-led-by-up-to-30-with-the-over-65s-and-still-lost/
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    By engage I presume that is coded language for screaming RRRRAAAAACCCCCIIISSSSTTTTT
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,503

    Sandpit said:

    Good article, thanks Adam and thanks OGH for engaging with the pollsters.
    Looking forward to 10pm, if this is also a 10 point remain lead do we call it now?

    I don't think there is a 10pm exit poll for the EU referendum (unfortunately!). There wasn't one either for the Scottish vote IIRC
    Sometime (somewhere) between 10pm and 11pm some journalist will write or tweet it's "too close to call".
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    edited May 2016

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Golfer Mickelson Named In Trading Scam Case
    http://news.sky.com/story/1698899/golfer-mickelson-named-in-trading-scam-case

    I know which side all the big bookies are rooting for...billy Walters is a legendary sports bettor who has spent years and years beating then.

    Bookies really want to see Walters finally taken out. He's been taking them for millions every week for years at the sports book.
    http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12280555/how-billy-walters-became-sports-most-successful-controversial-bettor
    Interviews with a guy called Alan Boston (who helped pick college basketball for Walters) are always fascinating listening.

    Haralabos Voulgaris (nothing to do with Walters) is also super interesting guy. He is one of the top nba bettors in the world.
    Interesting, thanks.. Walters is a fascinating character - the first pro gambler to have a computer, mobile phones and a big team in Vegas placing bets for him before the bookies knew what he was up to.
    He certainly is. The rumours about him & his activities have been about for a long time. It will be interesting how all this pans out. These days he is amazingly well connected.

    These days with dfs (daily fantasy sports), there are also sort of groups of nerds "in the lab " crunching the numbers to beat this new form of gambling.
    John Oliver on Daily Fantasy Sports.
    Basically no-one is winning unless they're professionals at it, with large spreadsheets and researchers.
    https://youtu.be/Mq785nJ0FXQ
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,558
    Sandpit said:

    Glass backtracks after horrible racist remark: "Concerns about immigration are entirely valid & its important politicians engage with them"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/733304888839548928

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.
    To call Pat Glass elite is to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Federer out of French open.

    That will push Wawrinka and Nadal to 3 and 4 in the seedings meaning that neither Djokovic or Murray may play both the former in their half of the draw.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    edited May 2016

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

    How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,503

    Fascinating article Mr Ludlow. This:

    The significance of AB social grades (who lean heavily towards Remain) actually slightly outweighed that of older voters.

    May hold the key to the referendum.....

    *cough cough*

    "Zac had leads ranging between 22% and 30% with the overs 65s, yet still lost by nearly 14%, which these polls accurately predicted."

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/08/zac-goldsmith-led-by-up-to-30-with-the-over-65s-and-still-lost/
    Yeah, yeah, yeah.. Leave are shit, Remain are awesome, it's all over for a generation etc. etc.

    Rinse and repeat.

    Yet there has been a trend of a narrowing gap, favourable to Leave, in the polls since February, there are five weeks to go and several online pollsters have Leave ahead.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Sandpit said:

    Glass backtracks after horrible racist remark: "Concerns about immigration are entirely valid & its important politicians engage with them"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/733304888839548928

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.
    To call Pat Glass elite is to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.
    When is it going to stop raining at Headingly?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,558
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

    How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?
    I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Its good to see remainer tories riding to the defence of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour MPs.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,558
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Glass backtracks after horrible racist remark: "Concerns about immigration are entirely valid & its important politicians engage with them"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/733304888839548928

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.
    To call Pat Glass elite is to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.
    When is it going to stop raining at Headingly?
    Not today I don't think, is rather dark
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

    How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?
    Very few
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,905

    Fascinating article Mr Ludlow. This:

    The significance of AB social grades (who lean heavily towards Remain) actually slightly outweighed that of older voters.

    May hold the key to the referendum.....

    *cough cough*

    "Zac had leads ranging between 22% and 30% with the overs 65s, yet still lost by nearly 14%, which these polls accurately predicted."

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/08/zac-goldsmith-led-by-up-to-30-with-the-over-65s-and-still-lost/
    Yeah, yeah, yeah.. Leave are shit, Remain are awesome, it's all over for a generation etc. etc.

    Rinse and repeat.

    Yet there has been a trend of a narrowing gap, favourable to Leave, in the polls since February, there are five weeks to go and several online pollsters have Leave ahead.
    Polls that are encouraging for Leave don't count.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    taffys said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Its good to see remainer tories riding to the defence of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour MPs.
    I'm not, I'm riding to the defence of the elite.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    taffys said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Its good to see remainer tories riding to the defence of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour MPs.
    Not sure that that is what Richard did though.

    Depends how you define elite. Being a shadow minister is a fairly elite position.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,905
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

    How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?
    In big cities and Merseyside, lots. In other areas, not so many.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Mr. Eagles, you can't be surprised that residents of the People's Republic of South Yorkshire are pro-EU, surely?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763

    taffys said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Its good to see remainer tories riding to the defence of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour MPs.
    I'm not, I'm riding to the defence of the elite.
    it's ok Richard you're not part of it.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    MaxPB said:

    So I'm refurbishing my flat before I sell it next year, just got an emailed quote from an electrician. We need more Polish immigrants. :lol:

    Join the metropolitan elite and back Remain :lol:
    Three grand for 6 days work. D:
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Glass backtracks after horrible racist remark: "Concerns about immigration are entirely valid & its important politicians engage with them"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/733304888839548928

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.
    To call Pat Glass elite is to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.
    When is it going to stop raining at Headingly?
    Not today I don't think, is rather dark
    Okay. Work to do then!
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

    How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?
    I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.
    Is that because you haven't met any before ?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,558

    Mr. Eagles, you can't be surprised that residents of the People's Republic of South Yorkshire are pro-EU, surely?

    I've heard good reports for Remain in Rotherham, somewhere where I was convinced Leave was going to do well in.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    edited May 2016
    Sean_F said:

    Fascinating article Mr Ludlow. This:

    The significance of AB social grades (who lean heavily towards Remain) actually slightly outweighed that of older voters.

    May hold the key to the referendum.....

    *cough cough*

    "Zac had leads ranging between 22% and 30% with the overs 65s, yet still lost by nearly 14%, which these polls accurately predicted."

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/08/zac-goldsmith-led-by-up-to-30-with-the-over-65s-and-still-lost/
    Yeah, yeah, yeah.. Leave are shit, Remain are awesome, it's all over for a generation etc. etc.

    Rinse and repeat.

    Yet there has been a trend of a narrowing gap, favourable to Leave, in the polls since February, there are five weeks to go and several online pollsters have Leave ahead.
    Polls that are encouraging for Leave don't count.
    On the contrary, you know what it says in the Bible: sell all that you have and put the money on Leave.*

    * This is not to be interpreted as a tip.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,981
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Glass backtracks after horrible racist remark: "Concerns about immigration are entirely valid & its important politicians engage with them"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/733304888839548928

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.
    To call Pat Glass elite is to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.
    When is it going to stop raining at Headingly?
    How much have you laid the draw for :D ?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    Just catching up.. what happens if the Queens Speech is amended? Surely that throws an almighty spanner into the works?
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Thinking further about the polling and Adam's article, I think we're still going to be very much in the dark as to which polls to believe. The difficulty is this bit:

    Firstly, while the Likely Electorate Model helped us produce the right result in London, this was using an online survey methodology (as it is more appropriate for contacting London’s young and transient population). We are yet to see how the model interplays with telephone polling, which we are using for polling the EU referendum

    Given that we know the online and telephone polls for the referendum are so different, It's perfectly possible that the model won't be appropriate to tonight's ComRes (phone) poll - it might even make things worse to apply it.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,503

    Mr. Eagles, you can't be surprised that residents of the People's Republic of South Yorkshire are pro-EU, surely?

    I've heard good reports for Remain in Rotherham, somewhere where I was convinced Leave was going to do well in.
    Remain are doing well everywhere.

    Leave are shit.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,558

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

    How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?
    I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.
    Is that because you haven't met any before ?
    I'm the only Tory in South Yorkshire, I'm surrounded by the WWC
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Does anyone self-identify as "WWC"? It sounds like an outsized toilet.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited May 2016

    taffys said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Its good to see remainer tories riding to the defence of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour MPs.
    I'm not, I'm riding to the defence of the elite.
    it's ok Richard you're not part of it.
    Certainly not!

    Or at least, I think I'm not. I have just ordered a case of Léoville Barton 2015, so maybe I am. But I paid for it from my betting winnings, so maybe not. The main question is whether it's ready to drink before I pop my clogs.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,558
    edited May 2016
    RobD said:

    Just catching up.. what happens if the Queens Speech is amended? Surely that throws an almighty spanner into the works?

    In the past, it has brought down governments, what happens under the FTPA, Gawd knows.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,558
    Wanderer said:

    Does anyone self-identify as "WWC"? It sounds like an outsized toilet.

    If I were white, I would self identify as WWC, but as it is, I'm just WC.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763

    taffys said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Its good to see remainer tories riding to the defence of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour MPs.
    I'm not, I'm riding to the defence of the elite.
    it's ok Richard you're not part of it.
    Certainly not!
    there once was a rough scouser navvy
    whose bets were judicious and savvy
    with his mountain of dosh
    he began to talk posh
    and called himself Doctor Nabavi :-)
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,558

    taffys said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Its good to see remainer tories riding to the defence of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour MPs.
    I'm not, I'm riding to the defence of the elite.
    it's ok Richard you're not part of it.
    Certainly not!
    there once was a rough scouser navvy
    whose bets were judicious and savvy
    with his mountain of dosh
    he began to talk posh
    and called himself Doctor Nabavi :-)
    When I become Directly Elected Dictator, I'm appointing you my Poet Laureate
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

    How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?
    I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.
    Is that because you haven't met any before ?
    I'm the only Tory in South Yorkshire, I'm surrounded by the WWC
    No youre surrounded by the AAC - Asian aspirational class.
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,578

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

    How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?
    I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.
    Interesting. A few weeks ago there was some nervousness amongst the metropolitan Labour elite that WWC Labour voters outside London might not be motivated to turn out or even tempted to vote leave by the siren calls of UKIP.

    Fortunately the unions have weighed in heavily and Corbyn & McDonnell have done a lot to dispel talk that they were only lukewarm about Remain.
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