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    Pulpstar said:

    “It takes a lifetime to build a good reputation, but you can lose it in a minute."
    Sam Wang is enjoying Nate's pisspoor 2016 immensely:

    http://election.princeton.edu/
    Didn't he also perform poorly at our May 2015 General Election?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219
    edited May 2016
    Alistair said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton in BIG trouble

    5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
    2016 General Election
    Trump 42% Clinton 37%

    Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

    It's strange that Romney only stood for one term.

    Rasmussen's 2012 performance was garbage.
    Indeed Rasmussen's final 2012 poll had Romney beating Obama, Fox had it tied, Obama won by 3. 9%. The gap is closing but Hillary still leads the RCP average this evening by 3.3%, the RCP average has correctly predicted the winner of the last 3 presidential elections
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972

    Pulpstar said:

    “It takes a lifetime to build a good reputation, but you can lose it in a minute."
    Sam Wang is enjoying Nate's pisspoor 2016 immensely:

    http://election.princeton.edu/
    Didn't he also perform poorly at our May 2015 General Election?
    He didn't do well at 2010 GE either if I remember correctly.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,769

    Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

    Wow that is incredibly surprising. I didn't think Chromebooks had gained much traction.

    They're very popular in US education.

    Oh yes, and OGH uses one to edit the site with. I was very tempted by one of these, but bottled it and went for one of these instead.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,769
    As an aside, I'd be gutted if TTIP doesn't get passed. Anything which diminishes the power of politicians is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    I think when it comes to the Tower of London, the PM would be better engaged fretting over the well-being of the ravens...

    You do spout a load of old corvids ....

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    FF43FF43 Posts: 16,116

    Pulpstar said:

    It's obviously not their main objective (Neither is Bojo leading the Leave campaign from the blues entirely about the country...), but I'm happy the assorted shits and bastards have used their power to offer a veto over TTIP to the NHS.

    They can't veto it. It is by QMV. The best they can do is get a majority of the other countries to support them. That is the only way they can stop it.
    I think TTIP is pretty much in the long grass already.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,242

    Pulpstar said:

    “It takes a lifetime to build a good reputation, but you can lose it in a minute."
    Sam Wang is enjoying Nate's pisspoor 2016 immensely:

    http://election.princeton.edu/
    Didn't he also perform poorly at our May 2015 General Election?
    Yes but this failure is worse, the data wasn't really pointing to a Tory majority - only a few (Matt Singh, @Tissue_Price) spotted it prior to the event... and it was quite hidden.

    Donald Trump had a big New Hampshire lead - one of the best indicators to GOP nominee in recent times.

    Trump GOP nominee is alot clearer than Con Majority was.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,382
    HYUFD said:


    Hillary was listed as one of the best lawyers of her generation, has a 145 IQ, was twice elected Senator for New York and was Secretary of State. People may dislike them but Trump and Clinton are probably the most experienced and capable candidates to have run for president in years (though Trump inherited much of his wealth so his business success should not be too hyped up)

    I think that's an exaggeration. Most presidents are pretty smart or they don't get close to start with. The only real idiot I can think of is Harding, and he may well have been dyslexic rather than stupid.

    What is true is that while both candidates have undoubted qualities, they are also deeply flawed in other ways. Trump is erratic and at times flops alarmingly into pub bore rhetoric including racism and misogyny. Clinton is rude, arrogant and intellectually lazy (and also had, oddly, a misogynist meltdown of her own this week). They are also I think the oldest average age of any two candidates.

    The point is perhaps not that the two candidates are useless. They're not. But they are neither suitable to be POTUS either, so it's a poor choice for the American people.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    edited May 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

    Wow that is incredibly surprising. I didn't think Chromebooks had gained much traction.

    They're very popular in US education.

    Oh yes, and OGH uses one to edit the site with. I was very tempted by one of these, but bottled it and went for one of these instead.
    Are you happy with your Surface? I bought a new laptop a few months ago, and I was tempted, but in the end I just went with the old trusty choice i.e. top of the range dell, which is now 4k, 16gb, m.2 jobbie.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    David Cameron tonight revealed he was trying to talk to Jeremy Corbyn about Latin America when he was given the cold shoulder by the Labour leader ahead of the Queen's Speech yesterday.

    As the pair made the short walk from the House of Commons to the House of Lords to attend the State Opening of Parliament yesterday - usually a chance for the two leaders to share a rare bit of light-hearted conversation - the PM was left red-faced as Mr Corbyn rejected several efforts to engage in the traditional small talk.

    Asked tonight what he had said, Mr Cameron replied: 'I was asking about whether he had time to see the Chilean President when she was in town because I know he’s got a great passion for Latin America and things that are happening there.

    'So we talked about Chile. We talked about Colombia. I was about to get on to Venezuela but we didn’t… maybe that’s what went wrong. But that’s sort of the thing we were talking about.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3599518/David-Cameron-reveals-Jeremy-Corbyn-gave-cold-shoulder-Queen-s-Speech-trying-talk-Latin-America-Labour-leader-s-favourite-topic.html
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    London said:

    Ryanair offers 20 Euro tickets so you can fly back to vote Remain: http://elpais.com/elpais/2016/05/19/inenglish/1463652390_550549.html?id_externo_rsoc=FB_CC

    plus booking fee, check-in fee, disabled person transportation supplement, card processing fee, Michael O'Leary pension fee...
    As long as they don't give free food or drink on the plane - treating.

    Mind you - with Ryanair it would probably count as treating if they DIDN'T give any food or drink out.
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    Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:


    Hillary was listed as one of the best lawyers of her generation, has a 145 IQ, was twice elected Senator for New York and was Secretary of State. People may dislike them but Trump and Clinton are probably the most experienced and capable candidates to have run for president in years (though Trump inherited much of his wealth so his business success should not be too hyped up)

    I think that's an exaggeration. Most presidents are pretty smart or they don't get close to start with. The only real idiot I can think of is Harding, and he may well have been dyslexic rather than stupid.

    What is true is that while both candidates have undoubted qualities, they are also deeply flawed in other ways. Trump is erratic and at times flops alarmingly into pub bore rhetoric including racism and misogyny. Clinton is rude, arrogant and intellectually lazy (and also had, oddly, a misogynist meltdown of her own this week). They are also I think the oldest average age of any two candidates.

    The point is perhaps not that the two candidates are useless. They're not. But they are neither suitable to be POTUS either, so it's a poor choice for the American people.
    Whichever wins, they'll likely be a one-term President.

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252
    FF43 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It's obviously not their main objective (Neither is Bojo leading the Leave campaign from the blues entirely about the country...), but I'm happy the assorted shits and bastards have used their power to offer a veto over TTIP to the NHS.

    They can't veto it. It is by QMV. The best they can do is get a majority of the other countries to support them. That is the only way they can stop it.
    I think TTIP is pretty much in the long grass already.
    In a way a UK-US trade deal wouldn't be.

    Another reason to Leave.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    edited May 2016
    weejonnie said:

    London said:

    Ryanair offers 20 Euro tickets so you can fly back to vote Remain: http://elpais.com/elpais/2016/05/19/inenglish/1463652390_550549.html?id_externo_rsoc=FB_CC

    plus booking fee, check-in fee, disabled person transportation supplement, card processing fee, Michael O'Leary pension fee...
    As long as they don't give free food or drink on the plane - treating.

    Mind you - with Ryanair it would probably count as treating if they DIDN'T give any food or drink out.
    The constant hard sell of everything under the sun from food / drink, to maps, to lotto tickets is the worst part about a RyanAir flight. It is like being stuck having to watch infomercials for 2-3hrs. Luckily I have a really good set of active noise cancelling headphones so I can block it all out.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,365
    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, I'd be gutted if TTIP doesn't get passed. Anything which diminishes the power of politicians is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.

    Not at the cost of giving more power to corporations and bureaucrats.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252
    HYUFD said:

    Alistair said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton in BIG trouble

    5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
    2016 General Election
    Trump 42% Clinton 37%

    Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

    It's strange that Romney only stood for one term.

    Rasmussen's 2012 performance was garbage.
    Indeed Rasmussen's final 2012 poll had Romney beating Obama, Fox had it tied, Obama won by 3. 9%. The gap is closing but Hillary still leads the RCP average this evening by 3.3%, the RCP average has correctly predicted the winner of the last 3 presidential elections
    I'm yet to be convinced of the path to the Presidency for Trump.

    But Hillary is more beatable (as a candidate) than Obama.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    FF43 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It's obviously not their main objective (Neither is Bojo leading the Leave campaign from the blues entirely about the country...), but I'm happy the assorted shits and bastards have used their power to offer a veto over TTIP to the NHS.

    They can't veto it. It is by QMV. The best they can do is get a majority of the other countries to support them. That is the only way they can stop it.
    I think TTIP is pretty much in the long grass already.
    It's AMAZING how much is in the long grass at the moment - but I suspect the EU will get out the petrol strimmer on June 24th
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,365
    rcs1000 said:

    Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

    Wow that is incredibly surprising. I didn't think Chromebooks had gained much traction.

    They're very popular in US education.

    Oh yes, and OGH uses one to edit the site with. I was very tempted by one of these, but bottled it and went for one of these instead.
    Snap. I got a surface book a few weeks ago (and am using it right now). Very pleased with it.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,769

    rcs1000 said:

    Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

    Wow that is incredibly surprising. I didn't think Chromebooks had gained much traction.

    They're very popular in US education.

    Oh yes, and OGH uses one to edit the site with. I was very tempted by one of these, but bottled it and went for one of these instead.
    Snap. I got a surface book a few weeks ago (and am using it right now). Very pleased with it.
    It's a well known device for Eurosceptics :lol:
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,365
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

    Wow that is incredibly surprising. I didn't think Chromebooks had gained much traction.

    They're very popular in US education.

    Oh yes, and OGH uses one to edit the site with. I was very tempted by one of these, but bottled it and went for one of these instead.
    Snap. I got a surface book a few weeks ago (and am using it right now). Very pleased with it.
    It's a well known device for Eurosceptics :lol:
    That's because we are the future :-)
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,769

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, I'd be gutted if TTIP doesn't get passed. Anything which diminishes the power of politicians is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.

    Not at the cost of giving more power to corporations and bureaucrats.
    I agree with not giving power to bureaucrats; but what's wrong with voluntary collections of people (aka corporations)?
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    London said:

    Ryanair offers 20 Euro tickets so you can fly back to vote Remain: http://elpais.com/elpais/2016/05/19/inenglish/1463652390_550549.html?id_externo_rsoc=FB_CC

    Or you can vote Leave if you change your mind at the polling booth.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,365
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, I'd be gutted if TTIP doesn't get passed. Anything which diminishes the power of politicians is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.

    Not at the cost of giving more power to corporations and bureaucrats.
    I agree with not giving power to bureaucrats; but what's wrong with voluntary collections of people (aka corporations)?
    What is wrong is that they are given the same rights as people but without the responsibilities.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219

    HYUFD said:

    Alistair said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton in BIG trouble

    5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
    2016 General Election
    Trump 42% Clinton 37%

    Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

    It's strange that Romney only stood for one term.

    Rasmussen's 2012 performance was garbage.
    Indeed Rasmussen's final 2012 poll had Romney beating Obama, Fox had it tied, Obama won by 3. 9%. The gap is closing but Hillary still leads the RCP average this evening by 3.3%, the RCP average has correctly predicted the winner of the last 3 presidential elections
    I'm yet to be convinced of the path to the Presidency for Trump.

    But Hillary is more beatable (as a candidate) than Obama.
    Well yes but then Trump is arguably more beatable than Romney too
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219
    Quinnipiac New Jersey

    Dems Primary
    Clinton 54 Sanders 40

    General Election
    Clinton 45 Trump 38

    Sanders 49 Trump 37
    https://www.qu.edu/images/polling/nj/nj05192016_Nwh73tr.pdf
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,382

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:


    Hillary was listed as one of the best lawyers of her generation, has a 145 IQ, was twice elected Senator for New York and was Secretary of State. People may dislike them but Trump and Clinton are probably the most experienced and capable candidates to have run for president in years (though Trump inherited much of his wealth so his business success should not be too hyped up)

    I think that's an exaggeration. Most presidents are pretty smart or they don't get close to start with. The only real idiot I can think of is Harding, and he may well have been dyslexic rather than stupid.

    What is true is that while both candidates have undoubted qualities, they are also deeply flawed in other ways. Trump is erratic and at times flops alarmingly into pub bore rhetoric including racism and misogyny. Clinton is rude, arrogant and intellectually lazy (and also had, oddly, a misogynist meltdown of her own this week). They are also I think the oldest average age of any two candidates.

    The point is perhaps not that the two candidates are useless. They're not. But they are neither suitable to be POTUS either, so it's a poor choice for the American people.
    Whichever wins, they'll likely be a one-term President.

    You would hope so. But how many thought that of Reagan or Truman? One commentator even confidently predict Landon would win in 1936, suggesting in charming fashion that the Republicans 'could beat Roosevelt with a Chinaman'. It's not always easy to get incumbent presidents out, even when they're completely useless.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,686
    If anyone is looking for a laptop, I just got given a Dell XPS 13 from work. It is absolutely wonderful.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219
    Paxman on the EU on BBC1 now
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,242
    HYUFD said:

    Quinnipiac New Jersey

    Dems Primary
    Clinton 54 Sanders 40

    General Election
    Clinton 45 Trump 38

    Sanders 49 Trump 37
    https://www.qu.edu/images/polling/nj/nj05192016_Nwh73tr.pdf

    Thats a great poll for Trump in truth.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    David Cameron tonight revealed he was trying to talk to Jeremy Corbyn about Latin America when he was given the cold shoulder by the Labour leader ahead of the Queen's Speech yesterday.

    As the pair made the short walk from the House of Commons to the House of Lords to attend the State Opening of Parliament yesterday - usually a chance for the two leaders to share a rare bit of light-hearted conversation - the PM was left red-faced as Mr Corbyn rejected several efforts to engage in the traditional small talk.

    Asked tonight what he had said, Mr Cameron replied: 'I was asking about whether he had time to see the Chilean President when she was in town because I know he’s got a great passion for Latin America and things that are happening there.

    'So we talked about Chile. We talked about Colombia. I was about to get on to Venezuela but we didn’t… maybe that’s what went wrong. But that’s sort of the thing we were talking about.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3599518/David-Cameron-reveals-Jeremy-Corbyn-gave-cold-shoulder-Queen-s-Speech-trying-talk-Latin-America-Labour-leader-s-favourite-topic.html

    Cameron's a cad and a sneak. He has no respect for privacy and decency as his PR stunt with Her Majesty the other week showed. Corbyn should have turned Dave's ham face red by bringing up Panama if the heir to Blair was so eager to discuss Latin America.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    edited May 2016
    MaxPB said:

    If anyone is looking for a laptop, I just got given a Dell XPS 13 from work. It is absolutely wonderful.

    I have the XPS 15, tis the nizzles IMO.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:


    Hillary was listed as one of the best lawyers of her generation, has a 145 IQ, was twice elected Senator for New York and was Secretary of State. People may dislike them but Trump and Clinton are probably the most experienced and capable candidates to have run for president in years (though Trump inherited much of his wealth so his business success should not be too hyped up)

    I think that's an exaggeration. Most presidents are pretty smart or they don't get close to start with. The only real idiot I can think of is Harding, and he may well have been dyslexic rather than stupid.

    What is true is that while both candidates have undoubted qualities, they are also deeply flawed in other ways. Trump is erratic and at times flops alarmingly into pub bore rhetoric including racism and misogyny. Clinton is rude, arrogant and intellectually lazy (and also had, oddly, a misogynist meltdown of her own this week). They are also I think the oldest average age of any two candidates.

    The point is perhaps not that the two candidates are useless. They're not. But they are neither suitable to be POTUS either, so it's a poor choice for the American people.
    Well you obviously have to be above average to get to be president but if you look at recent candidates none have exactly had truly outstanding careers before. Obama was a community organiser and lecturer, Dubya ran a baseball team (a post his father gave him), Kerry was a pretty average DA in Boston, Gore was a middle ranking journalist, Clinton was essentially a professional politician from a young age apart from a brief spell with an Arkansas law firm between governorships (Hillary got better grades than Bill at Yale and had a more distinguished legal career) etc. Romney is perhaps an exception but even he is not in Trump's league, he never made the billionaires' club!
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    London said:

    Ryanair offers 20 Euro tickets so you can fly back to vote Remain: http://elpais.com/elpais/2016/05/19/inenglish/1463652390_550549.html?id_externo_rsoc=FB_CC

    Or you can vote Leave if you change your mind at the polling booth.
    That must be quite close to a breach of electoral law.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    National - IPSOS/Reuters

    Clinton 41 .. Trump 36

    Clinton 52 .. Sanders 43

    http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/2016ReutersTrackingCorePolitical5182016.pdf
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:


    Hillary was listed as one of the best lawyers of her generation, has a 145 IQ, was twice elected Senator for New York and was Secretary of State. People may dislike them but Trump and Clinton are probably the most experienced and capable candidates to have run for president in years (though Trump inherited much of his wealth so his business success should not be too hyped up)

    I think that's an exaggeration. Most presidents are pretty smart or they don't get close to start with. The only real idiot I can think of is Harding, and he may well have been dyslexic rather than stupid.

    What is true is that while both candidates have undoubted qualities, they are also deeply flawed in other ways. Trump is erratic and at times flops alarmingly into pub bore rhetoric including racism and misogyny. Clinton is rude, arrogant and intellectually lazy (and also had, oddly, a misogynist meltdown of her own this week). They are also I think the oldest average age of any two candidates.

    The point is perhaps not that the two candidates are useless. They're not. But they are neither suitable to be POTUS either, so it's a poor choice for the American people.
    Whichever wins, they'll likely be a one-term President.

    I disagree, if Hillary wins the GOP will likely pick Cruz in 2020, if Trump wins the Democrats Warren (or Sanders if he still has his faculties), both are beatable and most presidents normally get re-elected after only one term of their party in the White House
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Gaius said:

    MTimT said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton in BIG trouble

    5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
    2016 General Election
    Trump 42% Clinton 37%

    Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

    Take any polls when one nominee is in place but another isn't with a mammoth dollop of salt.

    Supporters of Trump's opponents within the party are at the point where they're begrudgingly getting behind him. Same can not be said for Hillary.
    So true....Problem is, Bernie's supporters may well get behind The Donald!
    Indeed. I saw a poll suggesting up to 35% of his support in WV will go to Trump. Not that that will make one iota of difference to the make up of the Electoral College.
    The thing about Trump, is that he is like a room that only holds one big, red button.

    That has DO NOT PRESS on it.

    You just desperately want to know what happens if you do press the button/elect him as President....whether intrigued or appalled at the possibility, it is just too tantalising to pass up!
    What do we know a bout Trump?

    He has a genius level IQ.

    He built a multi billion dollar company.

    He has written bestselling books.

    Has had a hit TV show for years.

    Has pumped and dumped numerous supermodels.

    IOW he is extremely competent*.

    It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he actually understands the problems facing america and he will attempt to impliment sensible policies.

    *compare and contrast with Clinton, what has she ever actually achieved apart from marrying an extremely talented politician.
    Hillary was listed as one of the best lawyers of her generation, has a 145 IQ, was twice elected Senator for New York and was Secretary of State. People may dislike them but Trump and Clinton are probably the most experienced and capable candidates to have run for president in years (though Trump inherited much of his wealth so his business success should not be too hyped up)
    Hillary is dull as dishwater, whereas Trump has charisma though.
    Neither are particularly likeable and Hillary has Bill who is more charismatic than both!
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    GaiusGaius Posts: 227
    HYUFD said:

    Gaius said:

    MTimT said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton in BIG trouble

    5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
    2016 General Election
    Trump 42% Clinton 37%

    Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

    Take any polls when one nominee is in place but another isn't with a mammoth dollop of salt.

    Supporters of Trump's opponents within the party are at the point where they're begrudgingly getting behind him. Same can not be said for Hillary.
    So true....Problem is, Bernie's supporters may well get behind The Donald!
    Indeed. I saw a poll suggesting up to 35% of his support in WV will go to Trump. Not that that will make one iota of difference to the make up of the Electoral College.
    The thing about Trump, is that he is like a room that only holds one big, red button.

    That has DO NOT PRESS on it.

    You just desperately want to know what happens if you do press the button/elect him as President....whether intrigued or appalled at the possibility, it is just too tantalising to pass up!
    What do we know a bout Trump?

    He has a genius level IQ.

    He built a multi billion dollar company.

    He has written bestselling books.

    Has had a hit TV show for years.

    Has pumped and dumped numerous supermodels.

    IOW he is extremely competent*.

    It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he actually understands the problems facing america and he will attempt to impliment sensible policies.

    *compare and contrast with Clinton, what has she ever actually achieved apart from marrying an extremely talented politician.
    Hillary was listed as one of the best lawyers of her generation, has a 145 IQ, was twice elected Senator for New York and was Secretary of State. People may dislike them but Trump and Clinton are probably the most experienced and capable candidates to have run for president in years (though Trump inherited much of his wealth so his business success should not be too hyped up)
    And this is where people go wrong.

    Being a lawyer is no great achievement, what has Clinton ever done with her IQ, and winning elections is no great feat for politicians when most voters go for the party no matter what. You do know all these things don't pretend you don't.

    Also Trump didn't inherit much of his wealth. His father died in 1999 and left his estate of about $300m which i assume was split 4 ways.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,415
    House of Lords has just lost another 4 Peers - new rule under the 2014 Act - if you don't attend at all in a whole session (ie a year) you are out.

    Result: one Lab, one LD, two Crossbenchers out.

    There have been a lot of departures in the last few months - in 2016 there had already previously been 6 deaths, 11 retirements, 5 have gone on Leave of Absence and one suspended.

    So 27 out in less than 5 months. Result is that the number of Peers is now back down to 803.

    We often hear about Cameron appointing numerous Peers but, perhaps surprisingly, that is an increase of just 15 over the last 5 years (there were 788 in June 2011).

    State of the Parties is now: Con 247, Lab 210, LD 108, Crossbench 173.

    If Cameron wins the EU referendum and remains PM reports have suggested a big wave of new appointments soon afterwards.

    http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/lords/non-attending-lords/
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, I'd be gutted if TTIP doesn't get passed. Anything which diminishes the power of politicians is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.

    Not at the cost of giving more power to corporations and bureaucrats.
    I agree with not giving power to bureaucrats; but what's wrong with voluntary collections of people (aka corporations)?
    What is wrong is that they are given the same rights as people but without the responsibilities.
    Have you ever ran a corporation? Corporations have lots of responsibilities.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    rcs1000 said:

    Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

    Wow that is incredibly surprising. I didn't think Chromebooks had gained much traction.

    They're very popular in US education.

    Oh yes, and OGH uses one to edit the site with. I was very tempted by one of these, but bottled it and went for one of these instead.
    I have a Chromebook, a £200 model that I bought out of interest and now find that I use for all kinds of casual stuff. I really like it, it's a beautifully simple, well-designed platform. I'm very tempted to get a Pixel and move as much of my work to Chrome as I can.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 19,277
    edited May 2016
    The perfect vision of an elderly Englishmen in Europe. Paxman walking through beautiful parts of Brussels past idyllic chocolate shops impersonating Victor Meldrew on BBC 1.

    Very interesting thread though my head crashed
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    MikeL said:

    We often hear about Cameron appointing numerous Peers but, perhaps surprisingly, that is an increase of just 15 over the last 5 years (there were 788 in June 2011).

    So plenty of room "upstairs" for anyone who loses out due to the boundary review.
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    GaiusGaius Posts: 227

    David Cameron tonight revealed he was trying to talk to Jeremy Corbyn about Latin America when he was given the cold shoulder by the Labour leader ahead of the Queen's Speech yesterday.

    As the pair made the short walk from the House of Commons to the House of Lords to attend the State Opening of Parliament yesterday - usually a chance for the two leaders to share a rare bit of light-hearted conversation - the PM was left red-faced as Mr Corbyn rejected several efforts to engage in the traditional small talk.

    Asked tonight what he had said, Mr Cameron replied: 'I was asking about whether he had time to see the Chilean President when she was in town because I know he’s got a great passion for Latin America and things that are happening there.

    'So we talked about Chile. We talked about Colombia. I was about to get on to Venezuela but we didn’t… maybe that’s what went wrong. But that’s sort of the thing we were talking about.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3599518/David-Cameron-reveals-Jeremy-Corbyn-gave-cold-shoulder-Queen-s-Speech-trying-talk-Latin-America-Labour-leader-s-favourite-topic.html

    No wonder Corbyn didn't reply to Cameron.

    It wasn't rudeness, he was merely embarresed about the outcome of Venezuela trying out his policies.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219
    I see Vote Leave is calling for more immigration from outside the EU, in clear contrast to Farage and UKIP
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/chuka-umunna-accuses-nigel-farage-of-echoing-enoch-powell-a3251936.html
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,365
    HYUFD said:

    Paxman on the EU on BBC1 now

    Sigh. I may scorn the EU but the Strasbourg building is very beautiful. Based I believe on the Tower of Babel image by Bruegel
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    GaiusGaius Posts: 227

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:


    Hillary was listed as one of the best lawyers of her generation, has a 145 IQ, was twice elected Senator for New York and was Secretary of State. People may dislike them but Trump and Clinton are probably the most experienced and capable candidates to have run for president in years (though Trump inherited much of his wealth so his business success should not be too hyped up)

    I think that's an exaggeration. Most presidents are pretty smart or they don't get close to start with. The only real idiot I can think of is Harding, and he may well have been dyslexic rather than stupid.

    What is true is that while both candidates have undoubted qualities, they are also deeply flawed in other ways. Trump is erratic and at times flops alarmingly into pub bore rhetoric including racism and misogyny. Clinton is rude, arrogant and intellectually lazy (and also had, oddly, a misogynist meltdown of her own this week). They are also I think the oldest average age of any two candidates.

    The point is perhaps not that the two candidates are useless. They're not. But they are neither suitable to be POTUS either, so it's a poor choice for the American people.
    Whichever wins, they'll likely be a one-term President.

    Interestingly, I don't think thats true. Trump seems fit enough to stay on for two full terms whereas Clinton looks ill. (not that I think she has any chance of winning anyway).

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    Jeremy Paxman is showing the ridiculous EU transporting two hundred miles to Strasbourg every month. It shows what a farce the EU is that it can't fix something so barmy.
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    GaiusGaius Posts: 227

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, I'd be gutted if TTIP doesn't get passed. Anything which diminishes the power of politicians is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.

    Not at the cost of giving more power to corporations and bureaucrats.
    The difference being of course that we can decide not to trade with companies we disagree with, try doing that with the govt.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219
    edited May 2016
    Gaius said:

    HYUFD said:

    Gaius said:

    MTimT said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton in BIG trouble

    5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
    2016 General Election
    Trump 42% Clinton 37%

    Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

    Take any polls when one nominee is in plac
    So true....Problem is, Bernie's supporters may well get behind The Donald!
    Indeed. I saw a poll suggesting up to 35% of his support in .
    The thing about Trump, is that he is like a room that only holds one big, red button.

    That has DO NOT PRESS on it.

    You just desperately want to know what happens if you do press the button/elect him as President....whether intrigued or appalled at the possibility, it is just too tantalising to pass up!
    What do we know a bout Trump?

    He has a genius level IQ.

    He built a multi billion dollar company.

    He has written bestselling books.

    Has had a hit TV show for years.

    Has pumped and dumped numerous supermodels.

    IOW he is extremely competent*.

    It is not beyond the bo
    Hillary was listed as one of the best lawyers of her generation, has a 145 IQ, was twice elected Senator for New York and was Secretary of State. People may dislike them but Trump and Clinton are probably the most experienced and capable candidates to have run for president in years (though Trump inherited much of his wealth so his business success should not be too hyped up)
    And this is where people go wrong.

    Being a lawyer is no great achievement, what has Clinton ever done with her IQ, and winning elections is no great feat for politicians when most voters go for the party no matter what. You do know all these things don't pretend you don't.

    Also Trump didn't inherit much of his wealth. His father died in 1999 and left his estate of about $300m which i assume was split 4 ways.
    Trump inherited $200 million, which it is fair to say gave him a rather large legup. There is being a lawyer and being a lawyer, the only presidential candidate prior to Hillary who really made some waves in the profession was Richard Nixon.
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/election-2016/tenth-republican-debate-highlights/donald-trump-inheritance

    Also, in 1977, President Carter appointed Hillary to the Legal Services Corporation, a federal program charged with expanding access to legal aid. Hillary was the first woman to chair the corporation, and under her leadership, funding more than tripled from $90 million to $300 million.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/allida-black/blazing-a-trail-hillary-clinton_b_5610884.html
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,365
    Interesting. Corbett lying on TV.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,242
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Gaius said:

    MTimT said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton in BIG trouble

    5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
    2016 General Election
    Trump 42% Clinton 37%

    Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

    Take any polls when one nominee is in place but another isn't with a mammoth dollop of salt.

    Supporters of Trump's opponents within the party are at the point where they're begrudgingly getting behind him. Same can not be said for Hillary.
    So true....Problem is, Bernie's supporters may well get behind The Donald!
    Indeed. I saw a poll suggesting up to 35% of his support in WV will go to Trump. Not that that will make one iota of difference to the make up of the Electoral College.
    The thing about Trump, is that he is like a room that only holds one big, red button.

    That has DO NOT PRESS on it.

    You just desperately want to know what happens if you do press the button/elect him as President....whether intrigued or appalled at the possibility, it is just too tantalising to pass up!
    What do we know a bout Trump?

    He has a genius level IQ.

    He built a multi billion dollar company.

    He has written bestselling books.

    Has had a hit TV show for years.

    Has pumped and dumped numerous supermodels.

    IOW he is extremely competent*.

    It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he actually understands the problems facing america and he will attempt to impliment sensible policies.

    *compare and contrast with Clinton, what has she ever actually achieved apart from marrying an extremely talented politician.
    Hillary was listed as one of the best lawyers of her generation, has a 145 IQ, was twice elected Senator for New York and was Secretary of State. People may dislike them but Trump and Clinton are probably the most experienced and capable candidates to have run for president in years (though Trump inherited much of his wealth so his business success should not be too hyped up)
    Hillary is dull as dishwater, whereas Trump has charisma though.
    Neither are particularly likeable and Hillary has Bill who is more charismatic than both!
    Bill is a damn sight better than his wife ever will be, but he looks old now and unwell last time I saw him. He was definitely a good pres tho.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Quinnipiac New Jersey

    Dems Primary
    Clinton 54 Sanders 40

    General Election
    Clinton 45 Trump 38

    Sanders 49 Trump 37
    https://www.qu.edu/images/polling/nj/nj05192016_Nwh73tr.pdf

    Thats a great poll for Trump in truth.
    It is OK but still a long way away from winning the state and even if Hillary only wins it by 1% she still gets all its EC votes
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    HYUFD said:

    Paxman on the EU on BBC1 now

    Sigh. I may scorn the EU but the Strasbourg building is very beautiful. Based I believe on the Tower of Babel image by Bruegel
    I didn't know that. I see the similarity now that you mention it.

    Now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,365
    Gaius said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, I'd be gutted if TTIP doesn't get passed. Anything which diminishes the power of politicians is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.

    Not at the cost of giving more power to corporations and bureaucrats.
    The difference being of course that we can decide not to trade with companies we disagree with, try doing that with the govt.

    The problem comes when companies are given the sorts of powers held by Governments. Look at the examples of ISDS decisions I posted earlier.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    Wreckage is not from aircraft, Greek aviation official says
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Gaius said:

    MTimT said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton in BIG trouble

    5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
    2016 General Election
    Trump 42% Clinton 37%

    Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

    Take any polls when one nominee is in place but another isn't with a mammoth dollop of salt.

    Supporters of Trump's opponents within the party are at the point where they're begrudgingly getting behind him. Same can not be said for Hillary.
    So true....Problem is, Bernie's supporters may well get behind The Donald!
    Indeed. I saw a poll suggesting up to 35% of his support in WV will go to Trump. Not that that will make one iota of difference to the make up of the Electoral College.
    The thing about Trump, is that he is like a room that only holds one big, red button.

    That has DO NOT PRESS on it.

    You just desperately want to know what happens if you do press the button/elect him as President....whether intrigued or appalled at the possibility, it is just too tantalising to pass up!
    What do we know a bout Trump?

    He has a genius level IQ.

    He built a multi billion dollar company.

    He has written bestselling books.

    Has had a hit TV show for years.

    Has pumped and dumped numerous supermodels.

    IOW he is extremely competent*.

    It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he actually understands the problems facing america and he will attempt to impliment sensible policies.

    *compare and contrast with Clinton, what has she ever actually achieved apart from marrying an extremely talented politician.
    Hillary was listed as one of the best lawyers of her generation, has a 145 IQ, was twice elected Senator for New York and was Secretary of State. People may dislike them but Trump and Clinton are probably the most experienced and capable candidates to have run for president in years (though Trump inherited much of his wealth so his business success should not be too hyped up)
    Hillary is dull as dishwater, whereas Trump has charisma though.
    Neither are particularly likeable and Hillary has Bill who is more charismatic than both!
    Bill is a damn sight better than his wife ever will be, but he looks old now and unwell last time I saw him. He was definitely a good pres tho.
    He is still out campaigning for her
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,382
    HYUFD said:



    Well you obviously have to be above average to get to be president but if you look at recent candidates none have exactly had truly outstanding careers before. Obama was a community organiser and lecturer, Dubya ran a baseball team (a post his father gave him), Kerry was a pretty average DA in Boston, Gore was a middle ranking journalist, Clinton was essentially a professional politician from a young age apart from a brief spell with an Arkansas law firm between governorships (Hillary got better grades than Bill at Yale and had a more distinguished legal career) etc. Romney is perhaps an exception but even he is not in Trump's league, he never made the billionaires' club!

    Agreed, but have either of these really had what you could consider 'outstanding' careers as well? Trump has made money, but then he had a lot to start with (just as Rupert Murdoch cannot hold a candle to Keith, and James is less impressive than Rupert). Getting together a million dollars is a lot harder than getting it to make a hundred million dollars later, and Donald never had to do that first bit. I don't credit him with the patience or the nerve to build up a business from absolutely nothing.

    As for Clinton, the only real landmarks in her career have been - working on Watergate (where she had a walk-on part) dismally failing to get healthcare reform through Congress, and being a singularly inept Secretary of State. Hardly a glittering record, for all her ability.

    They look pretty close to the mean to me, I have to say. But then, the mean is probably higher than most people realise. As Obama once said, being President is a bit like being on American Idol, but with everyone else playing Simon Cowell.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219
    French MEP on Paxman 'We started without Great Britain, we can finish without it!'
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    Wanderer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

    Wow that is incredibly surprising. I didn't think Chromebooks had gained much traction.

    They're very popular in US education.

    Oh yes, and OGH uses one to edit the site with. I was very tempted by one of these, but bottled it and went for one of these instead.
    I have a Chromebook, a £200 model that I bought out of interest and now find that I use for all kinds of casual stuff. I really like it, it's a beautifully simple, well-designed platform. I'm very tempted to get a Pixel and move as much of my work to Chrome as I can.
    Her Indoors has a Toshiba Chromebook which I sometimes use as a spare. it's pretty basic but works OK, except for scanning, which I've pretty given up on trying to link it to my Epson printer which works perfectly with my Lenovo Windows 10 laptop. Having read others' experiences, it seems that scanning and chromebooks simply don't mix. If however any PBers know otherwise, please let me know what I'm doing wrong.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219

    HYUFD said:

    Paxman on the EU on BBC1 now

    Sigh. I may scorn the EU but the Strasbourg building is very beautiful. Based I believe on the Tower of Babel image by Bruegel
    Yes I went on a visit once, beautiful building in a beautiful city
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    Robert_Of_SheffieldRobert_Of_Sheffield Posts: 207
    edited May 2016
    I've not seen this mentioned yet: Pat Glass, the Shadow Europe Minister, called a voter a racist while campaigning, and couldn't quite remember where she was - https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/75191/labour-mp-pat-glass-describes-member-public
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    GaiusGaius Posts: 227
    HYUFD said:

    Gaius said:

    HYUFD said:

    Gaius said:

    MTimT said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton in BIG trouble

    5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
    2016 General Election
    Trump 42% Clinton 37%

    Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

    Take any polls when one nominee is in plac
    So true....Problem is, Bernie's supporters may well get behind The Donald!
    Indeed. I saw a poll suggesting up to 35% of his support in .
    , red button.



    IOW he is extremely competent*.

    It is not beyond the bo
    Hillary was listed as one of the best lawyers of her generation, has a 145 IQ, was twice elected Senator for New York and was Secretary of State. People may dislike them but Trump and Clinton are probably the most experienced and capable candidates to have run for president in years (though Trump inherited much of his wealth so his business success should not be too hyped up)
    And this is where people go wrong.

    Being a lawyer is no great achievement, what has Clinton ever done with her IQ, and winning elections is no great feat for politicians when most voters go for the party no matter what. You do know all these things don't pretend you don't.

    Also Trump didn't inherit much of his wealth. His father died in 1999 and left his estate of about $300m which i assume was split 4 ways.
    Trump inherited $200 million, which it is fair to say gave him a rather large legup. There is being a lawyer and being a lawyer, the only presidential candidate prior to Hillary who really made some waves in the profession was Richard Nixon.
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/election-2016/tenth-republican-debate-highlights/donald-trump-inheritance

    Also, in 1977, President Carter appointed Hillary to the Legal Services Corporation, a federal program charged with expanding access to legal aid. Hillary was the first woman to chair the corporation, and under her leadership, funding more than tripled from $90 million to $300 million.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/allida-black/blazing-a-trail-hillary-clinton_b_5610884.html
    Trump certainly got a leg up from his father, however loads of lottery winners have also come into loadsamoney and none of them have gone on to make billions.

    Being appointed as a penpusher because of her husbands political connections and having her budget increased due to political decisions hardly shows great merit, more like Buggins turn.

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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    Wanderer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

    Wow that is incredibly surprising. I didn't think Chromebooks had gained much traction.

    They're very popular in US education.

    Oh yes, and OGH uses one to edit the site with. I was very tempted by one of these, but bottled it and went for one of these instead.
    I have a Chromebook, a £200 model that I bought out of interest and now find that I use for all kinds of casual stuff. I really like it, it's a beautifully simple, well-designed platform. I'm very tempted to get a Pixel and move as much of my work to Chrome as I can.
    Her Indoors has a Toshiba Chromebook which I sometimes use as a spare. it's pretty basic but works OK, except for scanning, which I've pretty given up on trying to link it to my Epson printer which works perfectly with my Lenovo Windows 10 laptop. Having read others' experiences, it seems that scanning and chromebooks simply don't mix. If however any PBers know otherwise, please let me know what I'm doing wrong.
    I can imagine that would be an issue. I don't scan or print so I haven't come across it.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,507

    I've not seen this mentioned yet: Pat Glass, the Shadow Europe Minister, called a voter a racist while campaigning, and couldn't quite remember where she was - https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/75191/labour-mp-pat-glass-describes-member-public

    She may very well have encountered someone who is racist (unlike Gillian Duffy), but the way she wrote off the whole place as racist is damming.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:



    Well you obviously have to be above average to get to be president but if you look at recent candidates none have exactly had truly outstanding careers before. Obama was a community organiser and lecturer, Dubya ran a ba

    Agreed, but have either of these really had what you could consider 'outstanding' careers as well? Trump has made money, but then he had a lot to start with (just as Rupert Murdoch cannot hold a candle to Keith, and James is less impressive than Rupert). Getting together a million dollars is a lot harder than getting it to make a hundred million dollars later, and Donald never had to do that first bit. I don't credit him with the patience or the nerve to build up a business from absolutely nothing.

    As for Clinton, the only real landmarks in her career have been - working on Watergate (where she had a walk-on part) dismally failing to get healthcare reform through Congress, and being a singularly inept Secretary of State. Hardly a glittering record, for all her ability.

    They look pretty close to the mean to me, I have to say. But then, the mean is probably higher than most people realise. As Obama once said, being President is a bit like being on American Idol, but with everyone else playing Simon Cowell.
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:



    Well you obviously have to be above average to get to be president but if you look at recent candidates none have exactly had truly outstanding careers before. Obama was a community organiser and lecturer, Dubya ran a base

    Agreed, but have either
    As for Clinton, the only real landmarks in her career have been - working on Watergate (where she had a walk-on part) dismally failing to get healthcare reform through Congress, and being a singularly inept Secretary of State. Hardly a glittering record, for all her ability.

    They look pretty close to the mean to me, I have to say. But then, the mean is probably higher than most people realise. As Obama once said, being President is a bit like being on American Idol, but with everyone else playing Simon Cowell.
    Well you are never going to get perfect candidates, few will be self-made billionaires or on the Supreme Court but of recent candidates they are certainly in the top tier. Of post war presidents only really Eisenhower (the Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in Europe) and maybe Bush Snr, former Head of the CIA really had outstanding careers before they were elected to the office
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,365
    Wanderer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Paxman on the EU on BBC1 now

    Sigh. I may scorn the EU but the Strasbourg building is very beautiful. Based I believe on the Tower of Babel image by Bruegel
    I didn't know that. I see the similarity now that you mention it.

    Now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
    As iconography goes I think it a fantastic example. Again I may not like the EU but they do have some fantastic art associated with them.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    Wanderer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Paxman on the EU on BBC1 now

    Sigh. I may scorn the EU but the Strasbourg building is very beautiful. Based I believe on the Tower of Babel image by Bruegel
    I didn't know that. I see the similarity now that you mention it.

    Now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
    As iconography goes I think it a fantastic example. Again I may not like the EU but they do have some fantastic art associated with them.
    Well, if there's one thing a pan-European organisation should have it's great art.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,365
    Wanderer said:

    Wanderer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Paxman on the EU on BBC1 now

    Sigh. I may scorn the EU but the Strasbourg building is very beautiful. Based I believe on the Tower of Babel image by Bruegel
    I didn't know that. I see the similarity now that you mention it.

    Now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
    As iconography goes I think it a fantastic example. Again I may not like the EU but they do have some fantastic art associated with them.
    Well, if there's one thing a pan-European organisation should have it's great art.
    Can't argue with that.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    edited May 2016
    tlg86 said:

    I've not seen this mentioned yet: Pat Glass, the Shadow Europe Minister, called a voter a racist while campaigning, and couldn't quite remember where she was - https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/75191/labour-mp-pat-glass-describes-member-public

    She may very well have encountered someone who is racist (unlike Gillian Duffy), but the way she wrote off the whole place as racist is damming.
    It was the comment "where ever this place is" which is the killer line.

    If she had said "crickey I have just had a terribly racist individual come up to me, but I am sure that person isn't typical of those that live here" there wouldn't have been half the fuss.

    I have heard what the individual is supposed to have said and to paraphrase it was basically, well all my neighbours are Polish and lazy and they are only here for the benefits. So not racist, more xenophobic. I don't know, perhaps that perhaps neighbours really are lazy.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,917
    MTimT said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Glass backtracks after horrible racist remark: "Concerns about immigration are entirely valid & its important politicians engage with them"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/733304888839548928

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.
    To call Pat Glass elite is to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.
    When is it going to stop raining at Headingly?
    How much have you laid the draw for :D ?
    £60*, my standard cricket bet, changed from £50 in honour of the Convicts' meek capitulation for that score in the Ashes test last year. :D

    *actually I forgot about there being a Test in May and am out of cash, so virtual betting on the spreadsheet for this Test.
    Any thoughts on England's first inning total. I'm thinking around 225.
    Sorry for late reply, went out and just seen this. 225 seems low, the pitch was quite good for the batsman, it's just that three of ours never got into their stride. If the current partnership can last an hour in the morning then 275-300 should be doable. But this is England, we lost three wickets for 2 runs this morning!
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 16,116
    weejonnie said:

    FF43 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It's obviously not their main objective (Neither is Bojo leading the Leave campaign from the blues entirely about the country...), but I'm happy the assorted shits and bastards have used their power to offer a veto over TTIP to the NHS.

    They can't veto it. It is by QMV. The best they can do is get a majority of the other countries to support them. That is the only way they can stop it.
    I think TTIP is pretty much in the long grass already.
    It's AMAZING how much is in the long grass at the moment - but I suspect the EU will get out the petrol strimmer on June 24th
    It's as much on the US side as on the European side. There's something for everyone to dislike and no-one is investing any moral authority to make it happen..
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,384
    It's almost too good to be true, but I've read that if Donald Trump had sat back and invested his inheritance in a balanced portfolio, his net worth would be almost the same as it is today. He only inherited a few hundred million, but that was before the inflation of the 1970s and the equity booms.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    edited May 2016
    EPG said:

    It's almost too good to be true, but I've read that if Donald Trump had sat back and invested his inheritance in a balanced portfolio, his net worth would be almost the same as it is today. He only inherited a few hundred million, but that was before the inflation of the 1970s and the equity booms.

    I am surprised there hasn't been more noise about his claim of giving $100 million to charity. It has been pulled apart and basically he gave a few million, the rest included things like giving away free rounds of golf at his own courses, over valuing land etc etc etc that he put some enormous value on. It seems like it is mostly tax reduction strategy.
    Since the first day of his presidential campaign, Donald Trump has said that he gave more than $102 million to charity in the past five years.

    To back up that claim, Trump’s campaign compiled a list of his contributions — 4,844 of them, filling 93 pages.

    But, in that massive list, one thing was missing.

    Not a single one of those donations was actually a personal gift of Trump’s own money.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-portrait-of-trump-the-donor-free-rounds-of-golf-but-no-personal-cash/2016/04/10/373b9b92-fb40-11e5-9140-e61d062438bb_story.html
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,289
    EPG said:

    It's almost too good to be true, but I've read that if Donald Trump had sat back and invested his inheritance in a balanced portfolio, his net worth would be almost the same as it is today. He only inherited a few hundred million, but that was before the inflation of the 1970s and the equity booms.

    Where's the fun in that?
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,971
    I assumed from the Pat Glass story that she'd be some hi-falutin inner London MP, but she's MP for Durham North West. She's from Esh Winning. I can't imagine the views of her constituents on immigratioo are massively different to those she encountered today.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219
    Gaius said:

    HYUFD said:

    Gaius said:

    HYUFD said:

    Gaius said:

    MTimT said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton in BIG trouble

    5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
    2016 General Election
    Trump 42% Clinton 37%

    Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

    Take any polls when one nominee is in plac
    So true....Problem is, Bernie's supporters may well get behind The Donald!
    Indeed. I saw a poll suggesting up to 35% of his support in .
    , red button.



    IOW he is extremely competent*.

    It is not beyond the bo
    Hillary was listed as one of the best lawyers of her generation, has a 145 IQ, was twice elected Senator for New York and was Secretary of State. People may dislike them but Trump and Clinton are probably the most experienced and capable candidates to have run for president in years (though Trump inherited much of his wealth so his business success should not be too hyped up)
    And this is where people go wrong.

    Being a lawyer is no great achievement, what has Clinton ever done with her IQ, and winning elections is no grea.
    Trump inherited $200 million, which it is fair to say gave him a rather large legup. There is being a lawyer and being a lawyer, the only presidential candidate prior to Hillary who really made some waves in the profession was Richard Nixon.
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/election-2016/tenth-republican-debate-highlights/donald-trump-inheritance

    Also, in 1977, President Carter appointed Hillary to the Legal Services Corporation, a federal program charged with expanding access to legal aid. Hillary was the first woman to chair the corporation, and under her leadership, funding more than tripled from $90 million to $300 million.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/allida-black/blazing-a-trail-hillary-clinton_b_5610884.html
    Trump certainly got a leg up from his father, however loads of lottery winners have also come into loadsamoney and none of them have gone on to make billions.

    Being appointed as a penpusher because of her husbands political connections and having her budget increased due to political decisions hardly shows great merit, more like Buggins turn.

    Well you can lose money as well as make it yes and Trump did well to keep it. Hillary was named one of the top 100 lawyers in the US by the National Law Journal in 1988 and 1991, she is no fool
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/biography/clinton-hillary/
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,625
    HYUFD said:

    French MEP on Paxman 'We started without Great Britain, we can finish without it!'

    Finished by the end of the decade?
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,384

    EPG said:

    It's almost too good to be true, but I've read that if Donald Trump had sat back and invested his inheritance in a balanced portfolio, his net worth would be almost the same as it is today. He only inherited a few hundred million, but that was before the inflation of the 1970s and the equity booms.

    I am surprised there hasn't been more noise about his claim of giving $100 million to charity. It has been pulled apart and basically he gave a few million, the rest included things like giving away free rounds of golf at his own courses, over valuing land etc etc etc that he put some enormous value on.
    That's what the tax returns chat is about, right? The speculation is that he is failing to release tax returns because they will reveal a much smaller charitable donation amount than he claimed. However 1. he has probably gotten away with worse - like reneging on his pledge to forgo political donations or saying he liked veterance who weren't captured - and 2. he may simply be playing the media.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    Cookie said:

    I assumed from the Pat Glass story that she'd be some hi-falutin inner London MP, but she's MP for Durham North West. She's from Esh Winning. I can't imagine the views of her constituents on immigratioo are massively different to those she encountered today.

    Its a mindset among some, anybody who waves an England flag, racist...anybody who mentions immigration, racist....etc etc etc
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    edited May 2016
    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    It's almost too good to be true, but I've read that if Donald Trump had sat back and invested his inheritance in a balanced portfolio, his net worth would be almost the same as it is today. He only inherited a few hundred million, but that was before the inflation of the 1970s and the equity booms.

    I am surprised there hasn't been more noise about his claim of giving $100 million to charity. It has been pulled apart and basically he gave a few million, the rest included things like giving away free rounds of golf at his own courses, over valuing land etc etc etc that he put some enormous value on.
    That's what the tax returns chat is about, right? The speculation is that he is failing to release tax returns because they will reveal a much smaller charitable donation amount than he claimed. However 1. he has probably gotten away with worse - like reneging on his pledge to forgo political donations or saying he liked veterance who weren't captured - and 2. he may simply be playing the media.
    No, thats separate. He released 100 page document on his charitable giving, and like a lot of his property deals, there is bugger all of his own money in it.

    The tax stuff is the speculation that a) he aint as rich as he says he is and b) he might have been rather aggressive in minimizing his tax (which is actually very standard in US, as pretty much everybody does some sort of personal tax returns in US and the norm is to get an accountant to write off as much as possible).
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    RogerRoger Posts: 19,277
    Excellent documentary on the EU by Paxman. Showed the difference between the underlying values of each side more clearly than anything I've seen so far.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,507

    tlg86 said:

    I've not seen this mentioned yet: Pat Glass, the Shadow Europe Minister, called a voter a racist while campaigning, and couldn't quite remember where she was - https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/75191/labour-mp-pat-glass-describes-member-public

    She may very well have encountered someone who is racist (unlike Gillian Duffy), but the way she wrote off the whole place as racist is damming.
    It was the comment "where ever this place is" which is the killer line.

    If she had said "crickey I have just had a terribly racist individual come up to me, but I am sure that person isn't typical of those that live here" there wouldn't have been half the fuss.

    I have heard what the individual is supposed to have said and to paraphrase it was basically, well all my neighbours are Polish and lazy and they are only here for the benefits. So not racist, more xenophobic. I don't know, perhaps that perhaps neighbours really are lazy.
    Quite often our prejudices on a number of subjects are determined by the world around us. I know someone (a Brit) living it up on benefits. From that I know I should not take them as representative of the whole demographic, but I know some people who will not have it said that anybody enjoys the benefits lifestyle.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,384

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    It's almost too good to be true, but I've read that if Donald Trump had sat back and invested his inheritance in a balanced portfolio, his net worth would be almost the same as it is today. He only inherited a few hundred million, but that was before the inflation of the 1970s and the equity booms.

    I am surprised there hasn't been more noise about his claim of giving $100 million to charity. It has been pulled apart and basically he gave a few million, the rest included things like giving away free rounds of golf at his own courses, over valuing land etc etc etc that he put some enormous value on.
    That's what the tax returns chat is about, right? The speculation is that he is failing to release tax returns because they will reveal a much smaller charitable donation amount than he claimed. However 1. he has probably gotten away with worse - like reneging on his pledge to forgo political donations or saying he liked veterance who weren't captured - and 2. he may simply be playing the media.
    No, thats separate. He released 100 page document on his charitable giving, and like a lot of his property deals, there is bugger all of his own money in it.

    The tax stuff is the speculation that a) he aint as rich as he says he is and b) he might have been rather aggressive in minimizing his tax (which is actually very standard in US, as pretty much everybody does some sort of personal tax returns in US and the norm is to get an accountant to write off as much as possible).
    Yeah, ok. He sounded quite specific about how much he was worth in his self-nomination speech, so a) would be a big oopsie. I wonder whether people have already priced in b) but of course not everyone knows everything about him yet. I doubt it would be that advantageous for Clinton of the Clinton Foundation to bang on about it.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219

    HYUFD said:

    French MEP on Paxman 'We started without Great Britain, we can finish without it!'

    Finished by the end of the decade?
    I think he was referring to integration but quite possibly
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,365
    Roger said:

    Excellent documentary on the EU by Paxman. Showed the difference between the underlying values of each side more clearly than anything I've seen so far.

    Couldn't agree more. He put the arguments for each side better in an hour than either campaign has done in 2 months. Frist class, well balanced and informative.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    edited May 2016
    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    It's almost too good to be true, but I've read that if Donald Trump had sat back and invested his inheritance in a balanced portfolio, his net worth would be almost the same as it is today. He only inherited a few hundred million, but that was before the inflation of the 1970s and the equity booms.

    I am surprised there hasn't been more noise about his claim of giving $100 million to charity. It has been pulled apart and basically he gave a few million, the rest included things like giving away free rounds of golf at his own courses, over valuing land etc etc etc that he put some enormous value on.
    That's what the tax returns chat is about, right? The speculation is that he is failing to release tax returns because they will reveal a much smaller charitable donation amount than he claimed. However 1. he has probably gotten away with worse - like reneging on his pledge to forgo political donations or saying he liked veterance who weren't captured - and 2. he may simply be playing the media.
    No, thats separate. He released 100 page document on his charitable giving, and like a lot of his property deals, there is bugger all of his own money in it.

    The tax stuff is the speculation that a) he aint as rich as he says he is and b) he might have been rather aggressive in minimizing his tax (which is actually very standard in US, as pretty much everybody does some sort of personal tax returns in US and the norm is to get an accountant to write off as much as possible).
    Yeah, ok. He sounded quite specific about how much he was worth in his self-nomination speech, so a) would be a big oopsie. I wonder whether people have already priced in b) but of course not everyone knows everything about him yet. I doubt it would be that advantageous for Clinton of the Clinton Foundation to bang on about it.
    No idea. Just thought it was a bit strange nobody has really gone big on the charity stuff during the campaign, it is his own documents that could be used against him...i.e. the claims he makes don't stand up, $100 million when he actually gave perhaps $4-5 million...that is a lot more than a bit of boasting say being worst $750 million and claiming to be worth a $1bn.

    Now might be too late as you say Clinton's have some interesting financial arrangements and financial dealings.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited May 2016

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    It's almost too good to be true, but I've read that if Donald Trump had sat back and invested his inheritance in a balanced portfolio, his net worth would be almost the same as it is today. He only inherited a few hundred million, but that was before the inflation of the 1970s and the equity booms.

    I am surprised there hasn't been more noise about his claim of giving $100 million to charity. It has been pulled apart and basically he gave a few million, the rest included things like giving away free rounds of golf at his own courses, over valuing land etc etc etc that he put some enormous value on.
    That's what the tax returns chat is about, right? The speculation is that he is failing to release tax returns because they will reveal a much smaller charitable donation amount than he claimed. However 1. he has probably gotten away with worse - like reneging on his pledge to forgo political donations or saying he liked veterance who weren't captured - and 2. he may simply be playing the media.
    No, thats separate. He released 100 page document on his charitable giving, and like a lot of his property deals, there is bugger all of his own money in it.

    The tax stuff is the speculation that a) he aint as rich as he says he is and b) he might have been rather aggressive in minimizing his tax (which is actually very standard in US, as pretty much everybody does some sort of personal tax returns in US and the norm is to get an accountant to write off as much as possible).
    Trump still has to file regular financial disclosure statements with the Federal Election Commission, which contain a reasonably accurate picture of his assets etc.

    His taxes are audited every year (which is normal for super rich people here) and NO attorney would allow their client to release their return while under audit.

    He is plenty rich, don't worry. He gives quite a bit to charity.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    edited May 2016
    Tim_B said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    It's almost too good to be true, but I've read that if Donald Trump had sat back and invested his inheritance in a balanced portfolio, his net worth would be almost the same as it is today. He only inherited a few hundred million, but that was before the inflation of the 1970s and the equity booms.

    I am surprised there hasn't been more noise about his claim of giving $100 million to charity. It has been pulled apart and basically he gave a few million, the rest included things like giving away free rounds of golf at his own courses, over valuing land etc etc etc that he put some enormous value on.
    That's what the tax returns chat is about, right? The speculation is that he is failing to release tax returns because they will reveal a much smaller charitable donation amount than he claimed. However 1. he has probably gotten away with worse - like reneging on his pledge to forgo political donations or saying he liked veterance who weren't captured - and 2. he may simply be playing the media.
    No, thats separate. He released 100 page document on his charitable giving, and like a lot of his property deals, there is bugger all of his own money in it.

    The tax stuff is the speculation that a) he aint as rich as he says he is and b) he might have been rather aggressive in minimizing his tax (which is actually very standard in US, as pretty much everybody does some sort of personal tax returns in US and the norm is to get an accountant to write off as much as possible).
    Trump still has to file regular financial disclosure statements with the Federal Election Commission, which contain a reasonably accurate picture of his assets etc.

    His taxes are audited every year (which is normal for super rich people here) and NO attorney would allow their client to release their return while under audit.

    He is plenty rich, don't worry. He gives quite a bit to charity.
    I don't doubt he is rich, boasting about the size of his wealth perhaps. However, this charity thing though shows that he didn't give anywhere near what he claimed, the documents he released himself with a boast of $100 million show nothing close to that.

    My point was I am surprised his opponents didn't attack him on that as it is a clear point of making a specific claim and it not standing up.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Roger said:

    Excellent documentary on the EU by Paxman. Showed the difference between the underlying values of each side more clearly than anything I've seen so far.

    Couldn't agree more. He put the arguments for each side better in an hour than either campaign has done in 2 months. Frist class, well balanced and informative.
    What was it? I might have a look.

    Just got back from a vote.leave event with Priti Patel. Not my cup of tea really, but wanted to get a feel how things are going.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,971

    Cookie said:

    I assumed from the Pat Glass story that she'd be some hi-falutin inner London MP, but she's MP for Durham North West. She's from Esh Winning. I can't imagine the views of her constituents on immigratioo are massively different to those she encountered today.

    Its a mindset among some, anybody who waves an England flag, racist...anybody who mentions immigration, racist....etc etc etc
    The other mystery is that she apparently said all this on local radio - it wasn't a simple matter of private thoughts inadvertently becoming public a la Gordon Brown. Presumably she thinks that there are more votes to be gained than lost by sneering at provincial attitudes.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    .

    I am surprised there hasn't been more noise about his claim of giving $100 million to charity. It has been pulled apart and basically he gave a few million, the rest included things like giving away free rounds of golf at his own courses, over valuing land etc etc etc that he put some enormous value on.
    That's what the tax returns chat is about, right? The speculation is that he is failing to release tax returns because they will reveal a much smaller charitable donation amount than he claimed. However 1. he has probably gotten away with worse - like reneging on his pledge to forgo political donations or saying he liked veterance who weren't captured - and 2. he may simply be playing the media.
    No, thats separate. He released 100 page document on his charitable giving, and like a lot of his property deals, there is bugger all of his own money in it.

    The tax stuff is the speculation that a) he aint as rich as he says he is and b) he might have been rather aggressive in minimizing his tax (which is actually very standard in US, as pretty much everybody does some sort of personal tax returns in US and the norm is to get an accountant to write off as much as possible).
    Yeah, ok. He sounded quite specific about how much he was worth in his self-nomination speech, so a) would be a big oopsie. I wonder whether people have already priced in b) but of course not everyone knows everything about him yet. I doubt it would be that advantageous for Clinton of the Clinton Foundation to bang on about it.
    No idea. Just thought it was a bit strange nobody has really gone big on the charity stuff during the campaign, it is his own documents that could be used against him...i.e. the claims he makes don't stand up, $100 million when he actually gave perhaps $4-5 million...that is a lot more than a bit of boasting say being worst $750 million and claiming to be worth a $1bn.

    Now might be too late as you say Clinton's have some interesting financial arrangements and financial dealings.
    You're comparing apples and oranges. The Clinton's interesting and opaque financial arrangements tend to involve the Foundation rather than their tax returns. The Foundation makes something of an industry of refiling prior year taxes when questions are asked. Charity navigator - the Gold Standard of charity rating - will not touch the Clinton Foundation as it is not set up as a charity.

    There's not much mystery about Trump's financial standing.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    I assumed from the Pat Glass story that she'd be some hi-falutin inner London MP, but she's MP for Durham North West. She's from Esh Winning. I can't imagine the views of her constituents on immigratioo are massively different to those she encountered today.

    Its a mindset among some, anybody who waves an England flag, racist...anybody who mentions immigration, racist....etc etc etc
    The other mystery is that she apparently said all this on local radio - it wasn't a simple matter of private thoughts inadvertently becoming public a la Gordon Brown. Presumably she thinks that there are more votes to be gained than lost by sneering at provincial attitudes.
    Occams razor...She is a moron?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    edited May 2016
    Tim_b - not confusing the two...see down thread I say tax return totally separate & is all rumour / speculation. I am talking very specifically about a document trump released about his charitable giving which he claims shows something that isn't true.

    My point was given he is attacked for the tiniest thing surprised.they didn't go much bigger on this charity stuff.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,365

    Roger said:

    Excellent documentary on the EU by Paxman. Showed the difference between the underlying values of each side more clearly than anything I've seen so far.

    Couldn't agree more. He put the arguments for each side better in an hour than either campaign has done in 2 months. Frist class, well balanced and informative.
    What was it? I might have a look.

    Just got back from a vote.leave event with Priti Patel. Not my cup of tea really, but wanted to get a feel how things are going.
    It was called Paxman in Brussels and was on Beeb 1 I think.

    I suspect both sides were shouting at the TV at times but overall it was very informative and an excellent explanation of both the system and the arguments for and against.

    My only slight complaint was he was unnecessarily rude to the British Commissioner Lord Hill. Even though I disagreed with what Hill was saying Paxman didn't have to be quite so dismissive of him.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,365

    Roger said:

    Excellent documentary on the EU by Paxman. Showed the difference between the underlying values of each side more clearly than anything I've seen so far.

    Couldn't agree more. He put the arguments for each side better in an hour than either campaign has done in 2 months. Frist class, well balanced and informative.
    What was it? I might have a look.

    Just got back from a vote.leave event with Priti Patel. Not my cup of tea really, but wanted to get a feel how things are going.
    What were your impressions of the Patel event?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972

    Roger said:

    Excellent documentary on the EU by Paxman. Showed the difference between the underlying values of each side more clearly than anything I've seen so far.

    Couldn't agree more. He put the arguments for each side better in an hour than either campaign has done in 2 months. Frist class, well balanced and informative.
    What was it? I might have a look.

    Just got back from a vote.leave event with Priti Patel. Not my cup of tea really, but wanted to get a feel how things are going.
    It was called Paxman in Brussels and was on Beeb 1 I think.

    I suspect both sides were shouting at the TV at times but overall it was very informative and an excellent explanation of both the system and the arguments for and against.

    My only slight complaint was he was unnecessarily rude to the British Commissioner Lord Hill. Even though I disagreed with what Hill was saying Paxman didn't have to be quite so dismissive of him.
    I think paxman thinks it is trademark to be rude thus he must do it in any show he is on. It.is like frankie Boyle not doing any offensive jokes.
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    Tim_B said:

    EPG said:

    EPG said:

    It's almost too good to be true, but I've read that if Donald Trump had sat back and invested his inheritance in a balanced portfolio, his net worth would be almost the same as it is today. He only inherited a few hundred million, but that was before the inflation of the 1970s and the equity booms.

    I am surprised there hasn't been more noise about his claim of giving $100 million to charity. It has been pulled apart and basically he gave a few million, the rest included things like giving away free rounds of golf at his own courses, over valuing land etc etc etc that he put some enormous value on.
    That's what the tax returns chat is about, right? The speculation is that he is failing to release tax returns because they will reveal a much smaller charitable donation amount than he claimed. However 1. he has probably gotten away with worse - like reneging on his pledge to forgo political donations or saying he liked veterance who weren't captured - and 2. he may simply be playing the media.
    No, thats separate. He released 100 page document on his charitable giving, and like a lot of his property deals, there is bugger all of his own money in it.

    The tax stuff is the speculation that a) he aint as rich as he says he is and b) he might have been rather aggressive in minimizing his tax (which is actually very standard in US, as pretty much everybody does some sort of personal tax returns in US and the norm is to get an accountant to write off as much as possible).
    Trump still has to file regular financial disclosure statements with the Federal Election Commission, which contain a reasonably accurate picture of his assets etc.

    His taxes are audited every year (which is normal for super rich people here) and NO attorney would allow their client to release their return while under audit.

    He is plenty rich, don't worry. He gives quite a bit to charity.
    He could give tax returns for previous years. Seems like a pathetic excuse to me.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    Wanderer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

    Wow that is incredibly surprising. I didn't think Chromebooks had gained much traction.

    They're very popular in US education.

    Oh yes, and OGH uses one to edit the site with. I was very tempted by one of these, but bottled it and went for one of these instead.
    I have a Chromebook, a £200 model that I bought out of interest and now find that I use for all kinds of casual stuff. I really like it, it's a beautifully simple, well-designed platform. I'm very tempted to get a Pixel and move as much of my work to Chrome as I can.
    Her Indoors has a Toshiba Chromebook which I sometimes use as a spare. it's pretty basic but works OK, except for scanning, which I've pretty given up on trying to link it to my Epson printer which works perfectly with my Lenovo Windows 10 laptop. Having read others' experiences, it seems that scanning and chromebooks simply don't mix. If however any PBers know otherwise, please let me know what I'm doing wrong.
    PB has been run solely on Chromebooks for more than 4 years and I've just spent part of my Sadiq Khan winnings on one of the fastest available a Dell 13 with super fast processor and 8gb of RAM.

    Only hassle on printing is that you have to have a compatible Google cloud print machine. Once that's set up then you can print with any number of Chromebooks without any extra hassle.

    They start up in 6 seconds, you don't need an anti-virus software and the range of Google office apps is constantly updated and is free. Only hassle is that you always need an internet connection which with widespread 4G is almost always possible by using your phone as a hotspot.

    I will never go back to a Windows.
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    Mitt Romney thinks Trump is making excuses on tax returns:

    https://facebook.com/mittromney/posts/10153487016861121
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