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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,978

    OllyT said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

    How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?
    I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.
    Interesting. A few weeks ago there was some nervousness amongst the metropolitan Labour elite that WWC Labour voters outside London might not be motivated to turn out or even tempted to vote leave by the siren calls of UKIP.

    Fortunately the unions have weighed in heavily and Corbyn & McDonnell have done a lot to dispel talk that they were only lukewarm about Remain.
    I find it amusing when people like Blackburn63 confidently assert there will be "very few" WWC voters backing Remain outside of London. I doubt they they have a clue what campaigning the unions are doing.

    Who can forget how well UKIP were going to do in last years' s Oldham by-election?

    I am expecting very substantial numbers of WWC Remain voters, particularly in the big cities.
    Do you live in London?
    No I live in the North-West and I can assure you there are dozens of WWC voters involved in our Remain campaign
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Pulpstar said:

    “It takes a lifetime to build a good reputation, but you can lose it in a minute."
    Sam Wang is enjoying Nate's pisspoor 2016 immensely:

    http://election.princeton.edu/
    It has always been my contention - even when he was still a polling God - that Nate's output is only as good as the input - which includes a huge element of luck as the input's quality is not just whether the data is right, but whether it is the right data. This year, he's been analyzing not just poor data, but the wrong data.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 50,047
    MTimT said:



    My point being that London isn't as far from Washington as Honolulu is (currently the farthest State Capital from DC).

    And what relevance does your point have to the discussion?
    Distances can be deceptive.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,289
    Pulpstar said:

    “It takes a lifetime to build a good reputation, but you can lose it in a minute."
    Sam Wang is enjoying Nate's pisspoor 2016 immensely:

    http://election.princeton.edu/
    I think Silver has a way overinflated ego. When it comes down to it the presidency is won or lost on a handful of states, but yet people make him out to be some sort of soothsayer.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    “It takes a lifetime to build a good reputation, but you can lose it in a minute."
    The problem for nate is he is now the top bod of a 40 person team looking at all sorts of stuff. From interviews I have heard he now spends a huge amount of his time managing / editing rather than being the baseball stats geek applying similar methods to politics.
    I don't think Trump went under Nate's radar, quite the opposite. He owns this fiasco, royally.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    MTimT said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton in BIG trouble

    5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
    2016 General Election
    Trump 42% Clinton 37%

    Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

    Take any polls when one nominee is in place but another isn't with a mammoth dollop of salt.

    Supporters of Trump's opponents within the party are at the point where they're begrudgingly getting behind him. Same can not be said for Hillary.
    So true....Problem is, Bernie's supporters may well get behind The Donald!
    Indeed. I saw a poll suggesting up to 35% of his support in WV will go to Trump. Not that that will make one iota of difference to the make up of the Electoral College.
    The thing about Trump, is that he is like a room that only holds one big, red button.

    That has DO NOT PRESS on it.

    You just desperately want to know what happens if you do press the button/elect him as President....whether intrigued or appalled at the possibility, it is just too tantalising to pass up!
    :D
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 50,047
    OllyT said:

    OllyT said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

    How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?
    I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.
    Interesting. A few weeks ago there was some nervousness amongst the metropolitan Labour elite that WWC Labour voters outside London might not be motivated to turn out or even tempted to vote leave by the siren calls of UKIP.

    Fortunately the unions have weighed in heavily and Corbyn & McDonnell have done a lot to dispel talk that they were only lukewarm about Remain.
    I find it amusing when people like Blackburn63 confidently assert there will be "very few" WWC voters backing Remain outside of London. I doubt they they have a clue what campaigning the unions are doing.

    Who can forget how well UKIP were going to do in last years' s Oldham by-election?

    I am expecting very substantial numbers of WWC Remain voters, particularly in the big cities.
    Do you live in London?
    No I live in the North-West and I can assure you there are dozens of WWC voters involved in our Remain campaign
    Unfortunately, there are millions of voters in the North-West, not "dozens".
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    The mask slips?

    Shadow Europe minister apologises to whole VILLAGE after branding a voter 'racist' and saying she would never come back 'to wherever this is'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3599051/Shadow-Europe-minister-apologises-VILLAGE-branding-voter-racist-saying-never-come-is.html
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252
    midwinter said:

    OllyT said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

    How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?
    I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.
    Interesting. A few weeks ago there was some nervousness amongst the metropolitan Labour elite that WWC Labour voters outside London might not be motivated to turn out or even tempted to vote leave by the siren calls of UKIP.

    Fortunately the unions have weighed in heavily and Corbyn & McDonnell have done a lot to dispel talk that they were only lukewarm about Remain.
    I find it amusing when people like Blackburn63 confidently assert there will be "very few" WWC voters backing Remain outside of London. I doubt they they have a clue what campaigning the unions are doing.

    Who can forget how well UKIP were going to do in last years' s Oldham by-election?

    I am expecting very substantial numbers of WWC Remain voters, particularly in the big cities.
    Do you live in London?
    Certainly where I live (coast of West Sussex) most elderly WWC and a lot of middle class seem pro leave. Same amongst younger tradesmen.
    In an environment where several polls say it still looks relatively tight nationwide it is dangerous to infer too many conclusions from your peer group, or intelligence from those who agree with you already, or locality, IMHO.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,730
    edited May 2016
    RobD said:

    Mr. Urquhart, women-only is the good sort of discrimination. Keep up, old bean.

    Shortlists, carriages....
    If only everyone took a leaf out of Ruth (PBUH) Davidson's book, things would even up of their own accord.

    Eventually..

    https://twitter.com/GlennBBC/status/733303484540424192
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,150
    Mr. Bedfordshire, time to implement the Miliband Protocol and immediately state respect for white vans.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972

    “It takes a lifetime to build a good reputation, but you can lose it in a minute."
    The problem for nate is he is now the top bod of a 40 person team looking at all sorts of stuff. From interviews I have heard he now spends a huge amount of his time managing / editing rather than being the baseball stats geek applying similar methods to politics.
    I don't think Trump went under Nate's radar, quite the opposite. He owns this fiasco, royally.
    That isn't quite what I meant. I think he just phoned it in as a nutter that won't get anywhere & went back to all the other things that are dragging him into a million different directions.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,289
    edited May 2016

    RobD said:

    Mr. Urquhart, women-only is the good sort of discrimination. Keep up, old bean.

    Shortlists, carriages....
    If only everyone took a leaf out of Ruth (PBUH) Davidson's book, things would even up of their own accord.

    Eventually..

    twitter.com/GlennBBC/status/733303484540424192
    I wonder what the gender ratio isn for the Tory cohort as a whole. If selected entirely based on merit, it should reflect that.
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    marke09 said:

    BBC PARLIAMENT
    BBC PARLIAMENT

    75: Not Out

    Angela Rippon presents 75: Not Out. As the UK prepares to go to the polls over membership of the EU, BBC Parliament looks back to 5 June 1975 when the British public was asked to vote on being part of the European Economic Community (EEC) in the country’s first ever nationwide referendum.

    Legendary BBC newsreader Angela Rippon returns to the story she covered as a young journalist, presenting an evening of programmes from the BBC archives and sharing her memories of the political turmoil of a nation - and a government - divided.

    The circumstances sound familiar: A Prime Minister promises to renegotiate the country's terms of European membership and then takes the choice to the people. He makes the unprecedented decision to allow members of his cabinet to campaign to leave, despite his government urging the public to vote yes. But the Prime Minster in question was Harold Wilson, and the year was 1975.

    Viewers will be treated to key moments in the 1975 campaign including the tense Panorama head-to-head between Tony Benn and Roy Jenkins and the riotous Oxford Union debate between Barbara Castle, Ted Heath, Jeremy Thorpe and Peter Shore. Newly-crowned Conservative leader Margaret Thatcher pops up in her striking European flag jumper and to give her support to the ‘In’ campaign on Newsday. The night ends with a young David Dimbleby presenting his first national results programme, when 67 percent of British voters said ‘Yes’ to the UK's membership of the European Economic Community (EEC).

    Join BBC Parliament on 5 June for 75: Not Out, a trip down memory lane, when no studio was too beige and no collar too large.

    75: Not Out Schedule
    19:05 The National Referendum Campaign ‘Out Into The World’ party political broadcast

    19:15 Part I: Debate from the Oxford Union featuring Peter Shore & Jeremy Thorpe

    20:05 ‘Britain In Europe’ party political broadcast with Jim Callaghan, Shirley Williams, David Steel, Willie Whitelaw and Roy Jenkins

    20:15 The Rock and Roll Years 1975

    20:45 Newsday: Angela Rippon reads the news, Michael Charlton interviews Conservative leader Margaret Thatcher

    21:00 Panorama: David Dimbleby presents a head to head debate between Tony Benn and Roy Jenkins

    21:50 Nationwide: Bernard Falk talks to ex-pat Brits living in Brussels

    22:00 Part II: Debate from the Oxford Union featuring Barbara Castle and Ted Heath

    23:00 News: Pro-marketeers celebrate victory and Tony Benn is graceful in defeat

    23:05 Referendum results programme presented by David Dimbleby with David Butler

    Sunday 5 June

    7.00pm-1.05am

    BBC PARLIAMENT

    Thanks for the heads up. I will set the Tivo box for this one.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    Wreckage of the plane found.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,294
    edited May 2016
    Corbyn has been interviewed by Joey Essex, but only one of them is trying to boost a flagging career.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252
    Found this snippet from the Dutch pro-EU constitution campaign in 2005. Sound familiar?

    "Television broadcasts by the "Yes" campaign provoked controversy for raising the spectre of war and chaos in Europe if the Constitution was rejected. The most emotive of the adverts, which featured emotive images of the Holocaust and Srebrenica Massacre, were never aired by the "Yes" campaign, but received national news coverage and were received very poorly."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    dr_spyn said:

    Corbyn has been interviewed by Joey Essex, but only one of them is trying to boost a flagging career.

    I can't work out what is a spoof and what is real these days...
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,730
    Scott_P said:

    @TelePolitics: John Swinney told to rethink SNP state guardian plan on first full day in new job https://t.co/6WDD3BYEMH https://t.co/5sRfqACKhW

    Any news on whether Ruth has 'told' Tory-led South Ayrshire Council to rethink their named person policy that they (according to them) have run without problems for the last 5 years?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RobD said:

    I think Silver has a way overinflated ego. When it comes down to it the presidency is won or lost on a handful of states, but yet people make him out to be some sort of soothsayer.

    Way over inflated ego .. POTUS elections .. Outstanding prior performance .. soothsayer ..

    I mean .. really .. if only PB might count a few among its number .. :sunglasses:





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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,978

    OllyT said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

    How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?
    I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.
    Interesting. A few weeks ago there was some nervousness amongst the metropolitan Labour elite that WWC Labour voters outside London might not be motivated to turn out or even tempted to vote leave by the siren calls of UKIP.

    Fortunately the unions have weighed in heavily and Corbyn & McDonnell have done a lot to dispel talk that they were only lukewarm about Remain.
    I find it amusing when people like Blackburn63 confidently assert there will be "very few" WWC voters backing Remain outside of London. I doubt they they have a clue what campaigning the unions are doing.

    Who can forget how well UKIP were going to do in last years' s Oldham by-election?

    I am expecting very substantial numbers of WWC Remain voters, particularly in the big cities.
    I think the Remain ground campaign is stronger and better coordinated than the Leave campaign but it seems to be concentrated in major cities and metropolitan areas, and that won't necessarily be decisive.
    Who knows. My gut instinct is that if Remain can get the overall turnout up to 65% they will win comfortably. As it's a national referendum every vote counts and the cities are where turnout is usually lowest, which is why a lot of effort will be focussed there from the Remain camp.
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    Mr. Bedfordshire, time to implement the Miliband Protocol and immediately state respect for white vans.

    How about a pro remain pressure group

    Whitevamen And Nonbigoted Kippers Europe Remain Suppoerters?

    Reminds me of a limerick by Boris for some reason.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,294
    @FrancisUrquhart

    Am surprised Joey can string a sentence together. Corbyn's cut price answer to Russell Brand.

    http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Joey-Essex-s-surprise-interview-Jeremy-Corbyn/story-29295045-detail/story.html
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,289
    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    I think Silver has a way overinflated ego. When it comes down to it the presidency is won or lost on a handful of states, but yet people make him out to be some sort of soothsayer.

    Way over inflated ego .. POTUS elections .. Outstanding prior performance .. soothsayer ..

    I mean .. really .. if only PB might count a few among its number .. :sunglasses:


    Naughty... I never said outstanding performance :D
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    VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,453
    Lib Dem/ Labour coalition in Wales. Power and influence gained with 1 WAM.

    Subject to a special Lib Dem Welsh conference to approve.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    The mask slips?

    Shadow Europe minister apologises to whole VILLAGE after branding a voter 'racist' and saying she would never come back 'to wherever this is'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3599051/Shadow-Europe-minister-apologises-VILLAGE-branding-voter-racist-saying-never-come-is.html

    No mask, just her actual grotty face and her belief that British people are dirt and should be replaced by foreigners.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    edited May 2016
    dr_spyn said:

    @FrancisUrquhart

    Am surprised Joey can string a sentence together. Corbyn's cut price answer to Russell Brand.

    http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Joey-Essex-s-surprise-interview-Jeremy-Corbyn/story-29295045-detail/story.html

    Joey said: "I know politicians get quite a lot of abuse. Are you a politician?

    Poundshop Russell Brand is too generous!
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RobD said:

    Naughty... I never said outstanding performance :D

    An understandable oversight on your part, no doubt caused by the dazzle of the brilliance of your ARSE shrine.

    You are forgiven .... this time.

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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    I think Silver has a way overinflated ego. When it comes down to it the presidency is won or lost on a handful of states, but yet people make him out to be some sort of soothsayer.

    Way over inflated ego .. POTUS elections .. Outstanding prior performance .. soothsayer ..

    I mean .. really .. if only PB might count a few among its number .. :sunglasses:





    The collision between Rod and ARSE is a mouth watering prospect.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    David ginola has had a heart attack & in a bad way in hospital.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Egyptair VP confirms that wreckage has been found. It is a now officially a search and recovery mission, so it looks like no survivors.

    Investigations are being stepped up on who had airside access to the plane at CDG, and also regarding the plane's itinerary in the previous 24 hours.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    Tim_B said:

    Egyptair VP confirms that wreckage has been found. It is a now officially a search and recovery mission, so it looks like no survivors.

    Investigations are being stepped up on who had airside access to the plane at CDG, and also regarding the plane's itinerary in the previous 24 hours.

    It came from Tunisia prior to cdg apparently.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,730
    edited May 2016
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Mr. Urquhart, women-only is the good sort of discrimination. Keep up, old bean.

    Shortlists, carriages....
    If only everyone took a leaf out of Ruth (PBUH) Davidson's book, things would even up of their own accord.

    Eventually..

    twitter.com/GlennBBC/status/733303484540424192
    I wonder what the gender ratio isn for the Tory cohort as a whole. If selected entirely based on merit, it should reflect that.
    If one holds to the optimistic view that candidates are selected entirely based on merit, it would appear the SCons are pisspoor at attracting talented women to their ranks.

    'Yet while the SNP and Labour’s use of quotas has made a difference, the overall figures have stagnated due in large part to an unexpectedly strong Tory performance across Scotland. Only around 19 per cent of Scottish Conservative candidates were women – and one of their regional lists, Highlands and Islands, was men-only. Top list places were also predominantly taken by men – with the party’s North East Scotland list returning four male MSPs, while West Scotland included more candidates named ‘Maurice’ (two, both elected), than it did women (one, in tenth position). The same number of Conservative women were elected as in 2011 – six – but this is set in the context of the party more than doubling its seats, which means that only 19 per cent of Conservative MSPs are women.'

    http://tinyurl.com/h8c2v7m
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,978

    OllyT said:

    OllyT said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

    How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?
    I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.
    Interesting. A few weeks ago there was some nervousness amongst the metropolitan Labour elite that WWC Labour voters outside London might not be motivated to turn out or even tempted to vote leave by the siren calls of UKIP.

    Fortunately the unions have weighed in heavily and Corbyn & McDonnell have done a lot to dispel talk that they were only lukewarm about Remain.
    I find it amusing when people like Blackburn63 confidently assert there will be "very few" WWC voters backing Remain outside of London. I doubt they they have a clue what campaigning the unions are doing.

    Who can forget how well UKIP were going to do in last years' s Oldham by-election?

    I am expecting very substantial numbers of WWC Remain voters, particularly in the big cities.
    Do you live in London?
    No I live in the North-West and I can assure you there are dozens of WWC voters involved in our Remain campaign
    Unfortunately, there are millions of voters in the North-West, not "dozens".
    You're joshing me, I thought there were only about 100. PB is such an educational website.

    PS You forgot to put BE LIEVE or whatever it is at the bottom.

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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Tim_B said:

    Egyptair VP confirms that wreckage has been found. It is a now officially a search and recovery mission, so it looks like no survivors.

    Investigations are being stepped up on who had airside access to the plane at CDG, and also regarding the plane's itinerary in the previous 24 hours.

    It came from Tunisia prior to cdg apparently.
    And Asmara prior to that.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,363
    Interesting that War on Want are not best pleased with the EU at the moment

    http://www.waronwant.org/media/eu-planning-parallel-justice-system-business-new-leak-shows

    I must admit I had not heard about the ISDS mechanism before and think it might bear further investigation.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    I think Silver has a way overinflated ego. When it comes down to it the presidency is won or lost on a handful of states, but yet people make him out to be some sort of soothsayer.

    Way over inflated ego .. POTUS elections .. Outstanding prior performance .. soothsayer ..

    I mean .. really .. if only PB might count a few among its number .. :sunglasses:





    The collision between Rod and ARSE is a mouth watering prospect.
    Not sure the word 'mouth' belongs in that sentence ...
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Egyptair VP confirms that wreckage has been found. It is a now officially a search and recovery mission, so it looks like no survivors.

    Investigations are being stepped up on who had airside access to the plane at CDG, and also regarding the plane's itinerary in the previous 24 hours.

    It came from Tunisia prior to cdg apparently.
    It had 4 flights yesterday. Including Southern Egypt, Tunisia, Cairo and up to Paris.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,363

    David ginola has had a heart attack & in a bad way in hospital.

    Bloody hell. He's no age.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,289
    edited May 2016

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Mr. Urquhart, women-only is the good sort of discrimination. Keep up, old bean.

    Shortlists, carriages....
    If only everyone took a leaf out of Ruth (PBUH) Davidson's book, things would even up of their own accord.

    Eventually..

    twitter.com/GlennBBC/status/733303484540424192
    I wonder what the gender ratio isn for the Tory cohort as a whole. If selected entirely based on merit, it should reflect that.
    If one holds to the optimistic view that candidates are selected entirely based on merit, it would appear the SCons are pisspoor at attracting talented women to their ranks.

    'Yet while the SNP and Labour’s use of quotas has made a difference, the overall figures have stagnated due in large part to an unexpectedly strong Tory performance across Scotland. Only around 19 per cent of Scottish Conservative candidates were women – and one of their regional lists, Highlands and Islands, was men-only. Top list places were also predominantly taken by men – with the party’s North East Scotland list returning four male MSPs, while West Scotland included more candidates named ‘Maurice’ (two, both elected), than it did women (one, in tenth position). The same number of Conservative women were elected as in 2011 – six – but this is set in the context of the party more than doubling its seats, which means that only 19 per cent of Conservative MSPs are women.'

    http://tinyurl.com/h8c2v7m
    So it is actually the local associations whose book we should be taking a leaf from ;) Saying that, I do agree that more should be done to make being a Tory MSP an attractive prospect for both genders. :p

    Edited to add - I hadn't realised that the SNP used all-women shortlists. That may flatter their position somewhat given the Tories' ideological oppositions such things.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    Egyptair VP confirms that wreckage has been found. It is a now officially a search and recovery mission, so it looks like no survivors.

    Investigations are being stepped up on who had airside access to the plane at CDG, and also regarding the plane's itinerary in the previous 24 hours.

    It came from Tunisia prior to cdg apparently.
    It had 4 flights yesterday. Including Southern Egypt, Tunisia, Cairo and up to Paris.
    It's amazing how hard these planes work.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972

    David ginola has had a heart attack & in a bad way in hospital.

    Bloody hell. He's no age.
    No. 49 apparently...lots of middle aged ladies praying that the grim reaper has missed this time.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    Egyptair VP confirms that wreckage has been found. It is a now officially a search and recovery mission, so it looks like no survivors.

    Investigations are being stepped up on who had airside access to the plane at CDG, and also regarding the plane's itinerary in the previous 24 hours.

    It came from Tunisia prior to cdg apparently.
    It had 4 flights yesterday. Including Southern Egypt, Tunisia, Cairo and up to Paris.
    Very southern Egypt, like Eritrea ... :)
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,625

    David ginola has had a heart attack & in a bad way in hospital.

    Bad news. The guy's a legend, if only for the anagram of his name...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    Football League wants new five-league, 100-club system
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36335384
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    GaiusGaius Posts: 227
    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton in BIG trouble

    5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
    2016 General Election
    Trump 42% Clinton 37%

    Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

    Trump is going to beat Clinton like a baby seal. Good.

    Where is Cromwell, btw.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    MTimT said:

    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    Egyptair VP confirms that wreckage has been found. It is a now officially a search and recovery mission, so it looks like no survivors.

    Investigations are being stepped up on who had airside access to the plane at CDG, and also regarding the plane's itinerary in the previous 24 hours.

    It came from Tunisia prior to cdg apparently.
    It had 4 flights yesterday. Including Southern Egypt, Tunisia, Cairo and up to Paris.
    Very southern Egypt, like Eritrea ... :)
    Yup, Eritrea it is I think on reflection - but it's only 2 inches on the map!
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,730
    edited May 2016
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Mr. Urquhart, women-only is the good sort of discrimination. Keep up, old bean.

    Shortlists, carriages....
    If only everyone took a leaf out of Ruth (PBUH) Davidson's book, things would even up of their own accord.

    Eventually..

    twitter.com/GlennBBC/status/733303484540424192
    I wonder what the gender ratio isn for the Tory cohort as a whole. If selected entirely based on merit, it should reflect that.
    If one holds to the optimistic view that candidates are selected entirely based on merit, it would appear the SCons are pisspoor at attracting talented women to their ranks.

    'Yet while the SNP and Labour’s use of quotas has made a difference, the overall figures have stagnated due in large part to an unexpectedly strong Tory performance across Scotland. Only around 19 per cent of Scottish Conservative candidates were women – and one of their regional lists, Highlands and Islands, was men-only. Top list places were also predominantly taken by men – with the party’s North East Scotland list returning four male MSPs, while West Scotland included more candidates named ‘Maurice’ (two, both elected), than it did women (one, in tenth position). The same number of Conservative women were elected as in 2011 – six – but this is set in the context of the party more than doubling its seats, which means that only 19 per cent of Conservative MSPs are women.'

    http://tinyurl.com/h8c2v7m
    So it is actually the local associations whose book we should be taking a leaf from ;) Saying that, I do agree that more should be done to make being a Tory MSP an attractive prospect for both genders. :p

    Edited to add - I hadn't realised that the SNP used all-women shortlists. That may flatter their position somewhat given the Tories' ideological oppositions such things.
    Perhaps these local associations (unlike Tory led councils) take their lead from their..er..leader.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,625

    Football League wants new five-league, 100-club system
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36335384

    And what are they going to change the name of the top tier to THIS time?

    The Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious League?

    The La Liga Best In Europe - My Arse League?

    Hint: how about League Division One?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    Egyptair VP confirms that wreckage has been found. It is a now officially a search and recovery mission, so it looks like no survivors.

    Investigations are being stepped up on who had airside access to the plane at CDG, and also regarding the plane's itinerary in the previous 24 hours.

    It came from Tunisia prior to cdg apparently.
    It had 4 flights yesterday. Including Southern Egypt, Tunisia, Cairo and up to Paris.
    It's amazing how hard these planes work.
    They have to financially - it's rare to see a small plane like an A320 on the ground for more than 90-120 minutes between flights, unless it's an overnight stop when the airport's closed.

    Few things are more perishable than a passenger seat mile.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,252
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972

    Football League wants new five-league, 100-club system
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36335384

    And what are they going to change the name of the top tier to THIS time?

    The Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious League?

    The La Liga Best In Europe - My Arse League?

    Hint: how about League Division One?
    Premier league deux :-)
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited May 2016

    Football League wants new five-league, 100-club system
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36335384

    And what are they going to change the name of the top tier to THIS time?

    The Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious League?

    The La Liga Best In Europe - My Arse League?

    Hint: how about League Division One?
    Hint: how about National Football League? :smiley:
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    In office but not in power. Our Zombie Prime Minister.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,242
    Gaius said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton in BIG trouble

    5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
    2016 General Election
    Trump 42% Clinton 37%

    Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

    Trump is going to beat Clinton like a baby seal. Good.

    Where is Cromwell, btw.
    Rubio rising !
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    Middl aged ladies can breath a sigh of relief David is on twitter saying he is ok...
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    Scott_P said:

    @TelePolitics: John Swinney told to rethink SNP state guardian plan on first full day in new job https://t.co/6WDD3BYEMH https://t.co/5sRfqACKhW

    The SNP need to introduce a guardian plan for male SNP MPs at Westminster.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,363
    edited May 2016
    So what happens when the TTIP deal is done and doesn't include these protections? Since the trade deal is decided by QMV there is every chance that Cameron agreeing to this in Parliament is meaningless.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,242

    Football League wants new five-league, 100-club system
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36335384

    And what are they going to change the name of the top tier to THIS time?

    The Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious League?

    The La Liga Best In Europe - My Arse League?

    Hint: how about League Division One?
    Just keep it as it is and add Division 3 ?
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    GaiusGaius Posts: 227

    MTimT said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton in BIG trouble

    5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
    2016 General Election
    Trump 42% Clinton 37%

    Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

    Take any polls when one nominee is in place but another isn't with a mammoth dollop of salt.

    Supporters of Trump's opponents within the party are at the point where they're begrudgingly getting behind him. Same can not be said for Hillary.
    So true....Problem is, Bernie's supporters may well get behind The Donald!
    Indeed. I saw a poll suggesting up to 35% of his support in WV will go to Trump. Not that that will make one iota of difference to the make up of the Electoral College.
    The thing about Trump, is that he is like a room that only holds one big, red button.

    That has DO NOT PRESS on it.

    You just desperately want to know what happens if you do press the button/elect him as President....whether intrigued or appalled at the possibility, it is just too tantalising to pass up!
    What do we know a bout Trump?

    He has a genius level IQ.

    He built a multi billion dollar company.

    He has written bestselling books.

    Has had a hit TV show for years.

    Has pumped and dumped numerous supermodels.

    IOW he is extremely competent*.

    It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he actually understands the problems facing america and he will attempt to impliment sensible policies.

    *compare and contrast with Clinton, what has she ever actually achieved apart from marrying an extremely talented politician.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    In other news today, Morley Safer has died. He retired last week from CBS, who showed a 1 hour retrospective on his career last weekend. He always said he hated being on TV, found it intimidating, and how unnatural it was to talk to a machine. But the money was good. He joined 60 Minutes in 1970.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,625

    So what happens when the TTIP deal is done and doesn't include these protections? Since the trade deal is decided by QMV there is every chance that Cameron agreeing to this in Parliament is meaningless.
    We have 6 weeks to hammer home that point. Cameron has no reply.
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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274
    edited May 2016
    OllyT said:

    OllyT said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Another weasel-worded non apology from an elite Labour MP. Lady Bucket Mk II.

    Calling Pat Glass one of the elite is stretching the term rather far!
    Elite in her attitudes, if not in her upbringing.

    How many Labour WWC are going to turn out for Remain, outside London?
    I think a lot, I've been surprised how many WWC and youthful campaigners in Sheffield Remain have.
    Interesting. A few weeks ago there was some nervousness amongst the metropolitan Labour elite that WWC Labour voters outside London might not be motivated to turn out or even tempted to vote leave by the siren calls of UKIP.

    Fortunately the unions have weighed in heavily and Corbyn & McDonnell have done a lot to dispel talk that they were only lukewarm about Remain.
    I find it amusing when people like Blackburn63 confidently assert there will be "very few" WWC voters backing Remain outside of London. I doubt they they have a clue what campaigning the unions are doing.

    Who can forget how well UKIP were going to do in last years' s Oldham by-election?

    I am expecting very substantial numbers of WWC Remain voters, particularly in the big cities.
    I think the Remain ground campaign is stronger and better coordinated than the Leave campaign but it seems to be concentrated in major cities and metropolitan areas, and that won't necessarily be decisive.
    Who knows. My gut instinct is that if Remain can get the overall turnout up to 65% they will win comfortably. As it's a national referendum every vote counts and the cities are where turnout is usually lowest, which is why a lot of effort will be focussed there from the Remain camp.
    65% is GE turnout. Who knows what the referendum turnout will be, but 65% is optimistic I think. In 1975 the turnout was 65%; the Feb '74 election had 78.8%. Low turnout areas are likely to remain low turnout area - it was ever thus.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 26,190
    OllyT said:



    I find it amusing when people like Blackburn63 confidently assert there will be "very few" WWC voters backing Remain outside of London.

    I think you may have a rather a low amusement threshold

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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    So what happens when the TTIP deal is done and doesn't include these protections? Since the trade deal is decided by QMV there is every chance that Cameron agreeing to this in Parliament is meaningless.
    We have 6 weeks to hammer home that point. Cameron has no reply.
    4 weeks and 6 days now.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    Muirfield's members were right to block women from joining, says 'voice of golf' Peter Alliss

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/19/muirfields-members-were-right-to-block-women-from-joining-says-v/
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

    Wow that is incredibly surprising. I didn't think Chromebooks had gained much traction.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    Cambridge University has scrapped its 300-year-old tradition of posting exam results on public noticeboards because today's students don't want anyone else to know how they've done.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3599286/Cambridge-University-scraps-300-year-old-tradition-posting-exam-results-public-noticeboards-students-don-t-want-know-ve-done.html

    Pathetic...
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,730

    Muirfield's members were right to block women from joining, says 'voice of golf' Peter Alliss

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/19/muirfields-members-were-right-to-block-women-from-joining-says-v/

    Surely he should have said that the 36% of members that voted to block women from joining were right to overrule the 64% that voted to accept them.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

    Wow that is incredibly surprising. I didn't think Chromebooks had gained much traction.

    Mrs JackW uses the small "flip" model. She loves the versatility, different positions, size and staying power - up to 10 hours per session.

    Oh er missus ... :smiley:
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972

    Muirfield's members were right to block women from joining, says 'voice of golf' Peter Alliss

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/19/muirfields-members-were-right-to-block-women-from-joining-says-v/

    Surely he should have said that the 36% of members that voted to block women from joining were right to overrule the 64% that voted to accept them.
    I have little time for Alliss. His commentary is well past its sell by date. Give me Butch Harmon anytime.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,625
    Wanderer said:

    So what happens when the TTIP deal is done and doesn't include these protections? Since the trade deal is decided by QMV there is every chance that Cameron agreeing to this in Parliament is meaningless.
    We have 6 weeks to hammer home that point. Cameron has no reply.
    4 weeks and 6 days now.
    Plus another 8 days to force his resignation.... ;-)
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    edited May 2016
    JackW said:

    Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

    Wow that is incredibly surprising. I didn't think Chromebooks had gained much traction.

    Mrs JackW uses the small "flip" model. She loves the versatility, different positions, size and staying power - up to 10 hours per session.

    Oh er missus ... :smiley:
    I have played with one and I quite liked it and could see how it would be attractive for those that just want to do basic tasks (no good for myself), but they don't get a huge amount of coverage, especially in comparison to mac release where all the journos go gooey eyed and write column inch after column inch about it. Thus, I presumed that had flopped, but it seems not (at least in the US).
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,196
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-roots-of-mitt-romneys-anti-trump-fervor-102549761.html

    Mitt Romney has given up looking for a third party candidate.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    So what happens when the TTIP deal is done and doesn't include these protections? Since the trade deal is decided by QMV there is every chance that Cameron agreeing to this in Parliament is meaningless.
    Of course it's meaningless. It's a completely silly amendment brought in for no other reason than childishness (although it's amusing enough to see that particular list of signatories pretending to support protectionism for NHS providers).

    Quite how some Leavers have got themselves into the contortion of supporting protectionism is a mystery. What on earth do they think the terms of the much-vaunted trade deal with the US which they claim to want would be?
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    JackW said:

    Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

    Wow that is incredibly surprising. I didn't think Chromebooks had gained much traction.

    Mrs JackW uses the small "flip" model. She loves the versatility, different positions, size and staying power - up to 10 hours per session.

    Oh er missus ... :smiley:
    Mrs JackW likes small.
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    LondonLondon Posts: 40
    Ryanair offers 20 Euro tickets so you can fly back to vote Remain: http://elpais.com/elpais/2016/05/19/inenglish/1463652390_550549.html?id_externo_rsoc=FB_CC
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    edited May 2016
    London said:

    Ryanair offers 20 Euro tickets so you can fly back to vote Remain: http://elpais.com/elpais/2016/05/19/inenglish/1463652390_550549.html?id_externo_rsoc=FB_CC

    plus booking fee, check-in fee, disabled person transportation supplement, card processing fee, Michael O'Leary pension fee...
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,363

    So what happens when the TTIP deal is done and doesn't include these protections? Since the trade deal is decided by QMV there is every chance that Cameron agreeing to this in Parliament is meaningless.
    Of course it's meaningless. It's a completely silly amendment brought in for no other reason than childishness (although it's amusing enough to see that particular list of signatories pretending to support protectionism for NHS providers).

    Quite how some Leavers have got themselves into the contortion of supporting protectionism is a mystery. What on earth do they think the terms of the much-vaunted trade deal with the US which they claim to want would be?
    Ah yes the Eurofanatic once again pops up to blindly defend Cameron and the EU.

    Why am I not surprised.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Mrs JackW likes small.

    10" might be small to you .... :sunglasses:

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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    So what happens when the TTIP deal is done and doesn't include these protections? Since the trade deal is decided by QMV there is every chance that Cameron agreeing to this in Parliament is meaningless.
    Of course it's meaningless. It's a completely silly amendment brought in for no other reason than childishness (although it's amusing enough to see that particular list of signatories pretending to support protectionism for NHS providers).

    Quite how some Leavers have got themselves into the contortion of supporting protectionism is a mystery. What on earth do they think the terms of the much-vaunted trade deal with the US which they claim to want would be?
    Ah yes the Eurofanatic once again pops up to blindly defend Cameron and the EU.

    Why am I not surprised.
    There's only only fanatic out of us two, and it certainly ain't me!
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,363

    So what happens when the TTIP deal is done and doesn't include these protections? Since the trade deal is decided by QMV there is every chance that Cameron agreeing to this in Parliament is meaningless.
    Of course it's meaningless. It's a completely silly amendment brought in for no other reason than childishness (although it's amusing enough to see that particular list of signatories pretending to support protectionism for NHS providers).

    Quite how some Leavers have got themselves into the contortion of supporting protectionism is a mystery. What on earth do they think the terms of the much-vaunted trade deal with the US which they claim to want would be?
    Ah yes the Eurofanatic once again pops up to blindly defend Cameron and the EU.

    Why am I not surprised.
    There's only only fanatic out of us two, and it certainly ain't me!
    Keep telling yourself that. There is only one of us who blindly supports his party no matter what.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited May 2016

    Keep telling yourself that. There is only one of us who blindly supports his party no matter what.

    The party which I support is hardly Eurofanatic or even Europhile!

    I can't think of any case, not one, where you have accepted that there is any valid argument whatsoever for remaining in the EU. Not one. You call anyone who is mildly in favour, on balance, of staying in a 'Eurofanatic' or a 'Europhile'. You accuse everyone who is unpersuaded of your case of lying.

    As I said, it's quite clear who the fanatic is, and it ain't me.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,625
    Is there a list anywhere of these Tory rebels who were prepared to vote against the Queen's Speech?
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Is there a list anywhere of these Tory rebels who were prepared to vote against the Queen's Speech?

    I'm sure the whips have one!
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,363
    Further to the ISDS claims by War on Want I mentioned earlier. It does seem somewhat insidious in terms of overturning decisions by elected governments.


    S.D. Myers v. Canada

    Between 1995 and 1997 the Canadian government banned the export of toxic PCB waste, in order to comply with its obligations under the Basel Convention, of which the United States is not a party. Waste treatment company S.D. Myers then sued the Canadian government under NAFTA Chapter 11 for $20 million in damages. The claim was upheld by a NAFTA Tribunal in 2000


    Ethyl Corporation v. Canada

    In April 1997 the Canadian parliament banned the import and transport of MMT, a gasoline additive, over concerns that it poses a significant public health risk. Ethyl Corporation, the additive's manufacturer, sued the Canadian Government under NAFTA Chapter 11 for $251 million, to cover losses resulting from the "expropriation" of both its MMT production plant and its "good reputation"


    Dow AgroSciences v. Canada

    On August 25, 2008, Dow AgroSciences LLC, a U.S. corporation, served a Notice of Intent to Submit a Claim to Arbitration under Chapter 11 of NAFTA, for losses allegedly caused by a Quebec ban on the sale and certain uses of lawn pesticides containing the active ingredient 2,4-D.[26] The tribunal issued a consent award as the parties to the dispute reached a settlement.[
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,363

    Keep telling yourself that. There is only one of us who blindly supports his party no matter what.

    The party which I support is hardly Eurofanatic or even Europhile!

    I can't think of any case, not one, where you have accepted that there is any valid argument whatsoever for remaining in the EU. Not one. You call anyone who is mildly in favour, on balance, of staying in a 'Eurofanatic' or a 'Europhile'. You accuse everyone who is unpersuaded of your case of lying.

    As I said, it's quite clear who the fanatic is, and it ain't me.
    Yep keep telling yourself that. As many have said on here in the recent past your reputation such as it was has been completely destroyed by your Eurofanaticism and continual misrepresentation. No surprise you put a pro-Cameron spin on everything that is said on here.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Is there a list anywhere of these Tory rebels who were prepared to vote against the Queen's Speech?

    The PM has a list copied to the Tower of London.
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,978

    OllyT said:



    I find it amusing when people like Blackburn63 confidently assert there will be "very few" WWC voters backing Remain outside of London.

    I think you may have a rather a low amusement threshold

    I was being polite
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited May 2016

    Yep keep telling yourself that. As many have said on here in the recent past your reputation such as it was has been completely destroyed by your Eurofanaticism and continual misrepresentation. No surprise you put a pro-Cameron spin on everything that is said on here.

    My reputation is fine, thank you. I shall continue to express my independent view, as I always do. Being a supporter of a centre-right one-nation PM is hardly fanaticism - the complete opposite, in fact. But your world-view is so skewed that I appreciate you can't get your head around the idea that someone disagreeing with you is not a fanatic, a liar, a stooge, or some sort of secret Europhile plotting a European superstate.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,382

    JackW said:

    Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

    Wow that is incredibly surprising. I didn't think Chromebooks had gained much traction.

    Mrs JackW uses the small "flip" model. She loves the versatility, different positions, size and staying power - up to 10 hours per session.

    Oh er missus ... :smiley:
    I have played with one and I quite liked it and could see how it would be attractive for those that just want to do basic tasks (no good for myself), but they don't get a huge amount of coverage
    That could have been better phrased...
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Keep telling yourself that. There is only one of us who blindly supports his party no matter what.

    The party which I support is hardly Eurofanatic or even Europhile!

    I can't think of any case, not one, where you have accepted that there is any valid argument whatsoever for remaining in the EU. Not one. You call anyone who is mildly in favour, on balance, of staying in a 'Eurofanatic' or a 'Europhile'. You accuse everyone who is unpersuaded of your case of lying.

    As I said, it's quite clear who the fanatic is, and it ain't me.
    Yep keep telling yourself that. As many have said on here in the recent past your reputation such as it was has been completely destroyed by your Eurofanaticism and continual misrepresentation. No surprise you put a pro-Cameron spin on everything that is said on here.
    Nabavi is a lion led by donkeys. I respect his diehard loyalty.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,625
    JackW said:

    Is there a list anywhere of these Tory rebels who were prepared to vote against the Queen's Speech?

    The PM has a list copied to the Tower of London.
    I think when it comes to the Tower of London, the PM would be better engaged fretting over the well-being of the ravens...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,242
    It's obviously not their main objective (Neither is Bojo leading the Leave campaign from the blues entirely about the country...), but I'm happy the assorted shits and bastards have used their power to offer a veto over TTIP to the NHS.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,972
    ydoethur said:

    JackW said:

    Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

    Wow that is incredibly surprising. I didn't think Chromebooks had gained much traction.

    Mrs JackW uses the small "flip" model. She loves the versatility, different positions, size and staying power - up to 10 hours per session.

    Oh er missus ... :smiley:
    I have played with one and I quite liked it and could see how it would be attractive for those that just want to do basic tasks (no good for myself), but they don't get a huge amount of coverage
    That could have been better phrased...
    LOL....
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,219
    Gaius said:

    MTimT said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton in BIG trouble

    5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
    2016 General Election
    Trump 42% Clinton 37%

    Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

    Take any polls when one nominee is in place but another isn't with a mammoth dollop of salt.

    Supporters of Trump's opponents within the party are at the point where they're begrudgingly getting behind him. Same can not be said for Hillary.
    So true....Problem is, Bernie's supporters may well get behind The Donald!
    Indeed. I saw a poll suggesting up to 35% of his support in WV will go to Trump. Not that that will make one iota of difference to the make up of the Electoral College.
    The thing about Trump, is that he is like a room that only holds one big, red button.

    That has DO NOT PRESS on it.

    You just desperately want to know what happens if you do press the button/elect him as President....whether intrigued or appalled at the possibility, it is just too tantalising to pass up!
    What do we know a bout Trump?

    He has a genius level IQ.

    He built a multi billion dollar company.

    He has written bestselling books.

    Has had a hit TV show for years.

    Has pumped and dumped numerous supermodels.

    IOW he is extremely competent*.

    It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he actually understands the problems facing america and he will attempt to impliment sensible policies.

    *compare and contrast with Clinton, what has she ever actually achieved apart from marrying an extremely talented politician.
    Hillary was listed as one of the best lawyers of her generation, has a 145 IQ, was twice elected Senator for New York and was Secretary of State. People may dislike them but Trump and Clinton are probably the most experienced and capable candidates to have run for president in years (though Trump inherited much of his wealth so his business success should not be too hyped up)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,242
    HYUFD said:

    Gaius said:

    MTimT said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton in BIG trouble

    5/17-5/18 Rasmussen
    2016 General Election
    Trump 42% Clinton 37%

    Second consecutive poll showing Trump in the lead...

    Take any polls when one nominee is in place but another isn't with a mammoth dollop of salt.

    Supporters of Trump's opponents within the party are at the point where they're begrudgingly getting behind him. Same can not be said for Hillary.
    So true....Problem is, Bernie's supporters may well get behind The Donald!
    Indeed. I saw a poll suggesting up to 35% of his support in WV will go to Trump. Not that that will make one iota of difference to the make up of the Electoral College.
    The thing about Trump, is that he is like a room that only holds one big, red button.

    That has DO NOT PRESS on it.

    You just desperately want to know what happens if you do press the button/elect him as President....whether intrigued or appalled at the possibility, it is just too tantalising to pass up!
    What do we know a bout Trump?

    He has a genius level IQ.

    He built a multi billion dollar company.

    He has written bestselling books.

    Has had a hit TV show for years.

    Has pumped and dumped numerous supermodels.

    IOW he is extremely competent*.

    It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he actually understands the problems facing america and he will attempt to impliment sensible policies.

    *compare and contrast with Clinton, what has she ever actually achieved apart from marrying an extremely talented politician.
    Hillary was listed as one of the best lawyers of her generation, has a 145 IQ, was twice elected Senator for New York and was Secretary of State. People may dislike them but Trump and Clinton are probably the most experienced and capable candidates to have run for president in years (though Trump inherited much of his wealth so his business success should not be too hyped up)
    Hillary is dull as dishwater, whereas Trump has charisma though.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,363

    Yep keep telling yourself that. As many have said on here in the recent past your reputation such as it was has been completely destroyed by your Eurofanaticism and continual misrepresentation. No surprise you put a pro-Cameron spin on everything that is said on here.

    My reputation is fine, thank you. I shall continue to express my independent view, as I always do. Being a supporter of a centre-right one-nation PM is hardly fanaticism - the complete opposite, in fact. But your world-view is so skewed that I appreciate you can't get your head around the idea that someone disagreeing with you is not a fanatic, a liar, a stooge, or some sort of secret Europhile plotting a European superstate.
    You are not independent at all.

    There are plenty of people who disagree with me on here and that is to be expected.

    What sets you apart is the people you never, ever disagree with which is Cameron and the other Eurofanatics.

    Your credibility is zero.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,363
    Pulpstar said:

    It's obviously not their main objective (Neither is Bojo leading the Leave campaign from the blues entirely about the country...), but I'm happy the assorted shits and bastards have used their power to offer a veto over TTIP to the NHS.

    They can't veto it. It is by QMV. The best they can do is get a majority of the other countries to support them. That is the only way they can stop it.
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