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"I hope you washed your ARSE this morning. It's about to be kissed by aScott_P said:@holyroodmandy: @Ruth_E_Davidson says @theSNP must now govern not hector #SP16
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In a major concession over its controversial academy plans, the government has announced good or outstanding schools will no longer be forced to become academies.
Osborne told to get back in his box.
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Michael Dugher (Labour MP) on BBC Two still criticising Corbyn's leadership, saying that Labour should have been electorally "storming ahead" of what he deems "the worst Conservative government that I can remember since Major in the mid-90s".
Seeing as it's the first Conservative government (technically) since Major in the mid-90s... :-)0 -
A trick that SLab, despite its essentially Blairite tendencies, seems entirely incapable of performing on its own behalf.DecrepitJohnL said:
The SNP's most impressive trick is to convince people it is progressive or even left wing.SouthamObserver said:
The good news for the SNP is that with the Tories in second place they'll have no trouble in getting their tax cutting agenda through the Parliament. Unlike other parts of the UK, Scotland has voted unequivocally for parties that believe the best way to grow the economy is to cut taxes for the better off, rather than raising them, and to squeeze the public services used by the poorest. It is now clearly the most right wing of the home nations. Whoever would have thought it?scotslass said:Getting 47 per cent of the vote but no majority compared to Cameron's 37 per cent with a majority. Which would you have?
On governing Sturgeon will have no problem. Limit legislation, maximise intitiatives and put the other parties on the spot. Salmond did it with 47 for four years between 2007-2011. Sturgeon will do it with 63 for five.
On independence she still has an indy majority in the Parliament and Greens have just confirmed it in the same language of popular demand that Sturgeon uses.
Ironically the Greens are running on SNP petrol rather than their own wind power in the second vote. If they start to go cool on independence then they will be back in their two seat box in the next parliament.
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Sky News Newsdesk @SkyNewsBreak 2m2 minutes ago
The government has abandoned its plans to force all schools to become academies.
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Agreed.SouthamObserver said:
It may also be the case that the Goldsmith vote energised dormant anti-Tory voters who were reminded of why they do not like the party. It sort of happened in Oldham East too to an extent: the UKIP campaign actually got Labour voters to come out and vote.anothernick said:
Anecdotally I did meet a few Labour voters on the doorstep yesterday in inner London who said they weren't voting for Khan.NickPalmer said:Dismore now comfortably ahead for Labour in Brent and Harrow. Merton and Wandsworth still looking like a Labour gain on a slim margin (about a 3,5-4% swing to Labour there), and Redbridge like a Tory hold on an even slimmer one. Basically the core of the doughnut turned out and the outer ring is not as Tory as it was. There seems to be neither a big Khan personal vote or a big anti-Khan personal vote (except maybe in Brent and Harrow, but I think the difference there is Dismore's personal vote), as the Khan/Labour votes move in step. People have seemingly just shrugged off all the "you once met an Islamist" stuff and voted on a party basis.
However I also met a large number of very enthusiastic Khan supporters who hadn't always voted in the past and some who were splitting their vote - including one who said she has voted for Khan as Mayor and UKIP in the party list! In the event the two trends seem to have balanced each other, leaving Khan on roughly the same vote share as the Party.
Universal view was that Goldsmith had fought a poor campaign, completely failed to play to his strengths on the environment etc and recipients of the "family jewelry" letters felt insulted and angry.
Coming out for Leave was another Goldsmith blunder - London leans heavily to Remain and going for Leave lost him any chance of vocal support from business or the City.0 -
Con win Lincolnshire PCC. Last time it was won by an Independent who didn't stand again0
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Local election vote share is influenced by how many seats the Lib Dems and UKIP stand in. It does not necessarily reflect general election vote share when UKIP and Lib Dem stand in nearly all the seats.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike:
UKIP back in 4th place in 2016 projected national vote share from BBC.
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Good.FrancisUrquhart said:U-TURNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.....
In a major concession over its controversial academy plans, the government has announced good or outstanding schools will no longer be forced to become academies.
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Indy hold Dorset PCC0
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Does that include the Jedi Academy?????dr_spyn said:Sky News Newsdesk @SkyNewsBreak 2m2 minutes ago
The government has abandoned its plans to force all schools to become academies.
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Good grief GO is now a serious drag on the ticket.dr_spyn said:Sky News Newsdesk @SkyNewsBreak 2m2 minutes ago
The government has abandoned its plans to force all schools to become academies.
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Anti-Eu, anti-heathrow, less than pro uber, wrong side of all those arguments for London.anothernick said:
Agreed.SouthamObserver said:
It may also be the case that the Goldsmith vote energised dormant anti-Tory voters who were reminded of why they do not like the party. It sort of happened in Oldham East too to an extent: the UKIP campaign actually got Labour voters to come out and vote.anothernick said:
Anecdotally I did meet a few Labour voters on the doorstep yesterday in inner London who said they weren't voting for Khan.NickPalmer said:Dismore now comfortably ahead for Labour in Brent and Harrow. Merton and Wandsworth still looking like a Labour gain on a slim margin (about a 3,5-4% swing to Labour there), and Redbridge like a Tory hold on an even slimmer one. Basically the core of the doughnut turned out and the outer ring is not as Tory as it was. There seems to be neither a big Khan personal vote or a big anti-Khan personal vote (except maybe in Brent and Harrow, but I think the difference there is Dismore's personal vote), as the Khan/Labour votes move in step. People have seemingly just shrugged off all the "you once met an Islamist" stuff and voted on a party basis.
However I also met a large number of very enthusiastic Khan supporters who hadn't always voted in the past and some who were splitting their vote - including one who said she has voted for Khan as Mayor and UKIP in the party list! In the event the two trends seem to have balanced each other, leaving Khan on roughly the same vote share as the Party.
Universal view was that Goldsmith had fought a poor campaign, completely failed to play to his strengths on the environment etc and recipients of the "family jewelry" letters felt insulted and angry.
Coming out for Leave was another Goldsmith blunder - London leans heavily to Remain and going for Leave lost him any chance of vocal support from business or the City.0 -
UKIP stood in more councils. LDs didn't have any candidates in 10% of councils at all.David_Evershed said:
Local election vote share is influenced by how many seats the Lib Dems and UKIP stand in. It does not necessarily reflect general election vote share when UKIP and Lib Dem stand in nearly all the seats.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike:
UKIP back in 4th place in 2016 projected national vote share from BBC.
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If you tell people what they want to hear they will often ignore what you actually do. But Scotland is a right of centre country today. There is absolutely no doubt about it.DecrepitJohnL said:
The SNP's most impressive trick is to convince people it is progressive or even left wing. This ought to provide an opening for SLAB to attack SNP as the party of the rich and big business.SouthamObserver said:
The good news for the SNP is that with the Tories in second place they'll have no trouble in getting their tax cutting agenda through the Parliament. Unlike other parts of the UK, Scotland has voted unequivocally for parties that believe the best way to grow the economy is to cut taxes for the better off, rather than raising them, and to squeeze the public services used by the poorest. It is now clearly the most right wing of the home nations. Whoever would have thought it?scotslass said:Getting 47 per cent of the vote but no majority compared to Cameron's 37 per cent with a majority. Which would you have?
On governing Sturgeon will have no problem. Limit legislation, maximise intitiatives and put the other parties on the spot. Salmond did it with 47 for four years between 2007-2011. Sturgeon will do it with 63 for five.
On independence she still has an indy majority in the Parliament and Greens have just confirmed it in the same language of popular demand that Sturgeon uses.
Ironically the Greens are running on SNP petrol rather than their own wind power in the second vote. If they start to go cool on independence then they will be back in their two seat box in the next parliament.
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Compared with last time, Con minus 1K, Lab up 5K.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The truest, bluest part of Greater London?AndreaParma_82 said:Bexley and Bromley GLA constituency
Conservative 87460
Labour 45791
Ukip 30485
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One consolation of a remain victory might be Osborne being moved.TGOHF said:
Good grief GO is now a serious drag on the ticket.dr_spyn said:Sky News Newsdesk @SkyNewsBreak 2m2 minutes ago
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Is it still an unfair extrapolation because of full votes in areas where UKIP typically do worse, such as Scotland and London?Plato_Says said:
UKIP stood in more councils. LDs didn't have any candidates in 10% of councils at all.David_Evershed said:
Local election vote share is influenced by how many seats the Lib Dems and UKIP stand in. It does not necessarily reflect general election vote share when UKIP and Lib Dem stand in nearly all the seats.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike:
UKIP back in 4th place in 2016 projected national vote share from BBC.
Con 30
Lab 31
LD 15
UKIP 12
UKIP failed in goal of being 3rd
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Constant u-turns is an inevitable feature of a government with a majority of 12 and a glittering array of would-be divas on its backbenches.0
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Have I missed Sussex or are we still waiting?AndreaParma_82 said:Con win Lincolnshire PCC. Last time it was won by an Independent who didn't stand again
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NESV takes into account that.David_Evershed said:
Local election vote share is influenced by how many seats the Lib Dems and UKIP stand in. It does not necessarily reflect general election vote share when UKIP and Lib Dem stand in nearly all the seats.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike:
UKIP back in 4th place in 2016 projected national vote share from BBC.
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The front bench seems to be the issue here.AlastairMeeks said:Constant u-turns is an inevitable feature of a government with a majority of 12 and a glittering array of would-be divas on its backbenches.
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On schools though it was a bloody stupid idea, with no real upside.AlastairMeeks said:Constant u-turns is an inevitable feature of a government with a majority of 12 and a glittering array of would-be divas on its backbenches.
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Still waiting.
So far
Labour held PCC for Durham, Cleveland and Northumbria
Con held Northamptonshire, Wiltshire, Suffolk
Indy held Dorset
Con gained Lincolnshire from IndPlato_Says said:
Have I missed Sussex or are we still waiting?AndreaParma_82 said:Con win Lincolnshire PCC. Last time it was won by an Independent who didn't stand again
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I think we're still waiting, but I'd be gobsmacked if Katy Bourne doesn't get re-elected easily.Plato_Says said:
Have I missed Sussex or are we still waiting?AndreaParma_82 said:Con win Lincolnshire PCC. Last time it was won by an Independent who didn't stand again
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If only Nicky Morgan had the balls to tell him where to go when he suggested it. Osborne's toadys are completely inept. Rudd, Morgan and Javid are completely incapable of being Secretaries of State.FrancisUrquhart said:U-TURNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.....
In a major concession over its controversial academy plans, the government has announced good or outstanding schools will no longer be forced to become academies.
Osborne told to get back in his box.0 -
Is there a place to follow just PCCs that gives you hold/gains?0
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But local authority schools are never good or outstanding in Osborne-land.FrancisUrquhart said:U-TURNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.....
In a major concession over its controversial academy plans, the government has announced good or outstanding schools will no longer be forced to become academies.
Osborne told to get back in his box.0 -
Am I right in thinking that outside Scotland this is a pretty meh performance by the Tories too?0
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at one point they fill be flashed here by BBC
http://www.bbc.com/news/election/2016/policeTheWhiteRabbit said:Is there a place to follow just PCCs that gives you hold/gains?
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Oh I completely agree. Sometimes the would-be divas are right.FrancisUrquhart said:
On schools though it was a bloody stupid idea, with no real upside.AlastairMeeks said:Constant u-turns is an inevitable feature of a government with a majority of 12 and a glittering array of would-be divas on its backbenches.
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I think the principal opponent to this policy lives next door to Mr Osborne.AlastairMeeks said:Constant u-turns is an inevitable feature of a government with a majority of 12 and a glittering array of would-be divas on its backbenches.
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I think meh sums up results for everybody.SouthamObserver said:Am I right in thinking that outside Scotland this is a pretty meh performance by the Tories too?
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I'm glad we've stopped talking about Independence.Scott_P said:@holyroodmandy: @Ruth_E_Davidson says @theSNP must now govern not hector #SP16
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Yup. Is slightly worse than after the omnishambles budget.SouthamObserver said:Am I right in thinking that outside Scotland this is a pretty meh performance by the Tories too?
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'Boris's legacy to London is a Labour mayor and a Labour assembly.'
As the assembly needs a two-thirds majority to block any of the Mayor's policies, it's in realty just a talking shop and jobs for the boys.0 -
In Hampshire PCC contest
Con and Lab go to round 2. Incumbent Indy eliminated.
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Davidson is asking Sturgeon to do just that.Alistair said:
I'm glad we've stopped talking about Independence.Scott_P said:@holyroodmandy: @Ruth_E_Davidson says @theSNP must now govern not hector #SP16
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Yes, but for a split party Labour have let them off the hook. A better Labour leader would have put them to the sword and Dave would be in serious shit right now trying to explain that 300 losses aren't so bad.SouthamObserver said:Am I right in thinking that outside Scotland this is a pretty meh performance by the Tories too?
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Yes, I agree - there were plenty of pitfalls and he avoided them all with a careful, positive and disciplined effort. I thought his comment of regret that Goldsmith, who he knew as a liberal cosmopolitan, had allowed his campaign to slip into anti-Muslim stereotyping was far better than if he'd denounced Goldsmith personally. It pretty much defused the issue.SouthamObserver said:
I think Khan fought an excellent campaign. One that Labour nationally would do well to emulate - plenty of outreach to potentially difficult and doubtful parts of the electorate.
Boris's legacy to London is a Labour mayor and a Labour assembly.
It's a lesson for Crosby and his mates - you can't win an election *only* by shouting "Islamist!" "friends with extremists!" and the like.0 -
The almost total lack of council/seat changes in England as been really odd. Bar the odd upset where Kippers have picked up a few new ones, its SNAFU.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think meh sums up results for everybody.SouthamObserver said:Am I right in thinking that outside Scotland this is a pretty meh performance by the Tories too?
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Good result for Khan though, as the numbers currently stand.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think meh sums up results for everybody.SouthamObserver said:Am I right in thinking that outside Scotland this is a pretty meh performance by the Tories too?
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Who let Ken on the telly??
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The idea was piss poor for outstanding schools to become academies. I said so as muchAlastairMeeks said:
Oh I completely agree. Sometimes the would-be divas are right.FrancisUrquhart said:
On schools though it was a bloody stupid idea, with no real upside.AlastairMeeks said:Constant u-turns is an inevitable feature of a government with a majority of 12 and a glittering array of would-be divas on its backbenches.
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SPIN have settled their seats market
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UKIP, though, will probably finish slightly ahead of the Lib Dems in London.Pauly said:
Is it still an unfair extrapolation because of full votes in areas where UKIP typically do worse, such as Scotland and London?Plato_Says said:
UKIP stood in more councils. LDs didn't have any candidates in 10% of councils at all.David_Evershed said:
Local election vote share is influenced by how many seats the Lib Dems and UKIP stand in. It does not necessarily reflect general election vote share when UKIP and Lib Dem stand in nearly all the seats.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike:
UKIP back in 4th place in 2016 projected national vote share from BBC.
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Yep.MaxPB said:
Yes, but for a split party Labour have let them off the hook. A better Labour leader would have put them to the sword and Dave would be in serious shit right now trying to explain that 300 losses aren't so bad.SouthamObserver said:Am I right in thinking that outside Scotland this is a pretty meh performance by the Tories too?
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Under Major as PM the economy recovered from the recession of the early 1990s and a new monetary policy was put into effect after Black Wednesday. The basic rate of income tax was reduced from 25% to 23%, UK Government spending reduced as a percentage of GDP, and the budget deficit reduced from £50.8 billion in 1993 to £15.5 billion in 1997.BannedInParis said:"This is the worst conservative government since Major in the 90s"
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A better record than under Cameron.0 -
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Not in London you can't no.NickPalmer said:
Yes, I agree - there were plenty of pitfalls and he avoided them all with a careful, positive and disciplined effort. I thought his comment of regret that Goldsmith, who he knew as a liberal cosmopolitan, had allowed his campaign to slip into anti-Muslim stereotyping was far better than if he'd denounced Goldsmith personally. It pretty much defused the issue.SouthamObserver said:
I think Khan fought an excellent campaign. One that Labour nationally would do well to emulate - plenty of outreach to potentially difficult and doubtful parts of the electorate.
Boris's legacy to London is a Labour mayor and a Labour assembly.
It's a lesson for Crosby and his mates - you can't win an election *only* by shouting "Islamist!" "friends with extremists!" and the like.0 -
Sussex PCC Live Video
https://www.periscope.tv/SussexPCC/1djGXDoqNPyGZ
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@PaulBrandITV: Ken is definitely not talking about Hitler again on the BBC right now... not at all. #election20160
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Looks like Lib Dems have gained Watford from NOC.0
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Are the embittered Blairites making a fuss again? They'll do anything to distract from the wave of Corbynism sweeping the nation.RobD said:Who let Ken on the telly??
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@ChrisMasonBBC: Ken Livingstone has been talking Hitler for about 5 minutes now on @bbcnews0
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In Kent PCC ELECTION: After the 1st round, UKIP's Henry Bolton (73,299) & Conservative Matthew Scott (88,396) proceed to the second preference count0
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This does lead to one question. If Labour is doing just as well / just as badly as in 2012, why is Khan winning so easily when Livingstone lost ?RobD said:
Good result for Khan though, as the numbers currently stand.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think meh sums up results for everybody.SouthamObserver said:Am I right in thinking that outside Scotland this is a pretty meh performance by the Tories too?
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Seriously....he must have been on the juice all day.Scott_P said:@ChrisMasonBBC: Ken Livingstone has been talking Hitler for about 5 minutes now on @bbcnews
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London has improved for Labour since 2012. The results in 2015 show that.surbiton said:
This does lead to one question. If Labour is doing just as well / just as badly as in 2012, why is Khan winning so easily when Livingstone lost ?RobD said:
Good result for Khan though, as the numbers currently stand.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think meh sums up results for everybody.SouthamObserver said:Am I right in thinking that outside Scotland this is a pretty meh performance by the Tories too?
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Big winner from last night is Ruth - meh results for everyone else0
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When the seats were last contested?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup. Is slightly worse than after the omnishambles budget.SouthamObserver said:Am I right in thinking that outside Scotland this is a pretty meh performance by the Tories too?
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A swing of 3.5% since the General Election is equivalent to a 2% Conservative lead in England. It's an artificial exercise though, as so much of England didn't have local elections. The PCC elections may give some pointer as to how the parties were faring elsewhere.0 -
Two words...Boris....Livingston....surbiton said:
This does lead to one question. If Labour is doing just as well / just as badly as in 2012, why is Khan winning so easily when Livingstone lost ?RobD said:
Good result for Khan though, as the numbers currently stand.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think meh sums up results for everybody.SouthamObserver said:Am I right in thinking that outside Scotland this is a pretty meh performance by the Tories too?
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Tory and Labour into the 2nd round of the Sussex PCC election.
Rock'n'roll.0 -
Priceless Ken: "You've cost us seats all over the country."0
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The London result looks to be a carbon copy of the GE result there.0
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BBC Council results site is dire.
Always used to be able to see gains or losses by council, now all you get is a link to the relevant council's homepage! Most of these don;t have "gain" or "loss" just who won.
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In 2012 Livingstone's vote was appreciably less than that of the Labour assembly candidates. This year Khan's vote seems to be about the same.surbiton said:
This does lead to one question. If Labour is doing just as well / just as badly as in 2012, why is Khan winning so easily when Livingstone lost ?RobD said:
Good result for Khan though, as the numbers currently stand.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think meh sums up results for everybody.SouthamObserver said:Am I right in thinking that outside Scotland this is a pretty meh performance by the Tories too?
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People will never vote for these Politically Correct Commissioners.TheWhiteRabbit said:Is there a place to follow just PCCs that gives you hold/gains?
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We don't know the counterfactual. It might easily have been worse for Zac Goldsmith.NickPalmer said:
Yes, I agree - there were plenty of pitfalls and he avoided them all with a careful, positive and disciplined effort. I thought his comment of regret that Goldsmith, who he knew as a liberal cosmopolitan, had allowed his campaign to slip into anti-Muslim stereotyping was far better than if he'd denounced Goldsmith personally. It pretty much defused the issue.SouthamObserver said:
I think Khan fought an excellent campaign. One that Labour nationally would do well to emulate - plenty of outreach to potentially difficult and doubtful parts of the electorate.
Boris's legacy to London is a Labour mayor and a Labour assembly.
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http://www.gatwickobviously.com/FrancisUrquhart said:
Anti-Eu, anti-heathrow, less than pro uber, wrong side of all those arguments for London.anothernick said:
Agreed.SouthamObserver said:
It may also be the case that the Goldsmith vote energised dormant anti-Tory voters who were reminded of why they do not like the party. It sort of happened in Oldham East too to an extent: the UKIP campaign actually got Labour voters to come out and vote.anothernick said:
Anecdotally I did meet a few Labour voters on the doorstep yesterday in inner London who said they weren't voting for Khan.NickPalmer said:Dismore now comfortably ahead for Labour in Brent and Harrow. Merton and Wandsworth still looking like a Labour gain on a slim margin (about a 3,5-4% swing to Labour there), and Redbridge like a Tory hold on an even slimmer one. Basically the core of the doughnut turned out and the outer ring is not as Tory as it was. There seems to be neither a big Khan personal vote or a big anti-Khan personal vote (except maybe in Brent and Harrow, but I think the difference there is Dismore's personal vote), as the Khan/Labour votes move in step. People have seemingly just shrugged off all the "you once met an Islamist" stuff and voted on a party basis.
However I also met a large number of very enthusiastic Khan supporters who hadn't always voted in the past and some who were splitting their vote - including one who said she has voted for Khan as Mayor and UKIP in the party list! In the event the two trends seem to have balanced each other, leaving Khan on roughly the same vote share as the Party.
Universal view was that Goldsmith had fought a poor campaign, completely failed to play to his strengths on the environment etc and recipients of the "family jewelry" letters felt insulted and angry.
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@GerriPeev: Handing Ken Livingstone a mic is like giving an alcoholic a bottle of Jack Daniel's.They can't help themselves & it's not good for the kids0
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Rotherham Lab 48 UKIP 14 Ind 1 final figures
several seats swopped both ways between UKIP and Lab but net change appears to be
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A substantial increase in PCC turnout, even if from dismal to very poor...0
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Turnout up across the board:surbiton said:
People will never vote for these Politically Correct Commissioners.TheWhiteRabbit said:Is there a place to follow just PCCs that gives you hold/gains?
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Khan ran a very good campaign and was a good choice for Labour, albeit a bit dull. But Zac was even more dull, so that didn't matter.NickPalmer said:Yes, I agree - there were plenty of pitfalls and he avoided them all with a careful, positive and disciplined effort. I thought his comment of regret that Goldsmith, who he knew as a liberal cosmopolitan, had allowed his campaign to slip into anti-Muslim stereotyping was far better than if he'd denounced Goldsmith personally. It pretty much defused the issue.
It's a lesson for Crosby and his mates - you can't win an election *only* by shouting "Islamist!" "friends with extremists!" and the like.
The 'friends with extremists' line never really caught on. Personally I was never convinced by it, the well-argued posts by Ms Cyclefree notwithstanding. I'm much more concerned about Sadiq's daft policies on housing and transport fares, but if Londoners want to vote for less housing and worse transport, who am I to complain?
As @anothernick and @FrancisUrquhart pointed out, Zac managed to be on the wrong side of some crucial issues. I'm surprised his campaign wasn't better; he never really made the leap from what works in Richmond to what would work in London as a whole.0 -
London won the GLA vote in 2012, having lost it in 2008. The mayoral vote was Boris v Ken and having seen Ken in action over recent weeks perhaps a few more people will begin to understand why a lot of Labour voters could not put their X's next to Ken's name.RobD said:
London has improved for Labour since 2012. The results in 2015 show that.surbiton said:
This does lead to one question. If Labour is doing just as well / just as badly as in 2012, why is Khan winning so easily when Livingstone lost ?RobD said:
Good result for Khan though, as the numbers currently stand.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think meh sums up results for everybody.SouthamObserver said:Am I right in thinking that outside Scotland this is a pretty meh performance by the Tories too?
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That comment very close to the bone....Scott_P said:@GerriPeev: Handing Ken Livingstone a mic is like giving an alcoholic a bottle of Jack Daniel's.They can't help themselves & it's not good for the kids
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Yep, Ken after lunch is very dangerous.FrancisUrquhart said:
That comment very close to the bone....Scott_P said:@GerriPeev: Handing Ken Livingstone a mic is like giving an alcoholic a bottle of Jack Daniel's.They can't help themselves & it's not good for the kids
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Reason he couldn't make the leap out of Richmond...he got confused by the tube ;-)Richard_Nabavi said:
Khan ran a very good campaign and was a good choice for Labour, albeit a bit dull. But Zac was even more dull, so that didn't matter.NickPalmer said:Yes, I agree - there were plenty of pitfalls and he avoided them all with a careful, positive and disciplined effort. I thought his comment of regret that Goldsmith, who he knew as a liberal cosmopolitan, had allowed his campaign to slip into anti-Muslim stereotyping was far better than if he'd denounced Goldsmith personally. It pretty much defused the issue.
It's a lesson for Crosby and his mates - you can't win an election *only* by shouting "Islamist!" "friends with extremists!" and the like.
The 'friends with extremists' line never really caught on. Personally I was never convinced by it, the well-argued posts by Ms Cyclefree notwithstanding. I'm much more concerned about Sadiq's daft policies on housing and transport fares, but if Londoners want to vote for less housing and worse transport, who am I to complain?
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I voted for Ken in 2000, voted against him in 2004 and 2008 and 2012.SouthamObserver said:
London won the GLA vote in 2012, having lost it in 2008. The mayoral vote was Boris v Ken and having seen Ken in action over recent weeks perhaps a few more people will begin to understand why a lot of Labour voters could not put their X's next to Ken's name.RobD said:
London has improved for Labour since 2012. The results in 2015 show that.surbiton said:
This does lead to one question. If Labour is doing just as well / just as badly as in 2012, why is Khan winning so easily when Livingstone lost ?RobD said:
Good result for Khan though, as the numbers currently stand.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think meh sums up results for everybody.SouthamObserver said:Am I right in thinking that outside Scotland this is a pretty meh performance by the Tories too?
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Khan is not up against Boris Johnson.surbiton said:
This does lead to one question. If Labour is doing just as well / just as badly as in 2012, why is Khan winning so easily when Livingstone lost ?RobD said:
Good result for Khan though, as the numbers currently stand.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think meh sums up results for everybody.SouthamObserver said:Am I right in thinking that outside Scotland this is a pretty meh performance by the Tories too?
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@katie_martin_fx: Ken says the Hitler controversy is fired up by Labour people "backed by the hedge funds".0
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You could never accuse him of losing his bottle.SouthamObserver said:
Yep, Ken after lunch is very dangerous.FrancisUrquhart said:
That comment very close to the bone....Scott_P said:@GerriPeev: Handing Ken Livingstone a mic is like giving an alcoholic a bottle of Jack Daniel's.They can't help themselves & it's not good for the kids
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@surbiton
'This does lead to one question. If Labour is doing just as well / just as badly as in 2012, why is Khan winning so easily when Livingstone lost ?'
8 years of Livingstone and his assorted nutters.
According to Prof Curtice Labour results excluding London are worse than in 2011 & 2012.
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Just noticed that the Election Night 2015 coverage on iPlayer is no longer available.
Shame. I have enjoyed flicking through it a few times over the past 12 months, particularly the "OMFG" moment at the stroke of 10pm when Dimbleby revealed the exit poll and nobody could quite believe what they were seeing. And then Paddy promising to eat his hat, literally, if the LDs finished with as few as 10 MPs...
Is it available on DVD? :-)0 -
As usual with Osborne this was purely political.No_Offence_Alan said:
But local authority schools are never good or outstanding in Osborne-land.FrancisUrquhart said:U-TURNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.....
In a major concession over its controversial academy plans, the government has announced good or outstanding schools will no longer be forced to become academies.
Osborne told to get back in his box.
It was about him finding a policy basis to cement an alliance with Gove post Brexit referendum.0 -
My comment about corbyn 2020 GE campaign only talking to the BBC (if they promise to be nice) & press tv the other day looking like it will be spot on. He already doesn't do sky news, telegraph, Daily mailPlato_Says said:0 -
Labour losses 25, Tory losses 20. Lib Dem gains 29. UKIP 24.0
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Labour? Golly. His statement wasn't up to much IIRC.Jonathan said:Tory and Labour into the 2nd round of the Sussex PCC election.
Rock'n'roll.0 -
I make it (% change from 2012)AndreaParma_82 said:Bexley and Bromley GLA constituency
Conservative 87460
Labour 45791
Ukip 30485
Green 12685
Lib Dem 12145
APP 1243
CON -6.5%
LAB -0.1%
UKIP +9.7%
GRE +1.2%
LD -0.4%0 -
It is on youtube... preserved for the nation etc....Bob__Sykes said:Just noticed that the Election Night 2015 coverage on iPlayer is no longer available.
Shame. I have enjoyed flicking through it a few times over the past 12 months, particularly the "OMFG" moment at the stroke of 10pm when Dimbleby revealed the exit poll and nobody could quite believe what they were seeing. And then Paddy promising to eat his hat, literally, if the LDs finished with as few as 10 MPs...
Is it available on DVD? :-)
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Livingstone from BBC News
"Former London Mayor Ken Livingstone comments on the anti-Semitism row that engulfed Labour. He claims others in Labour made an issue of it and tells these critics: "You've cost us seats all over the country."
They wouldn't have had the chance to fan the flames unless Livingstone had poured a great big can of petrol over an ember that seemed set to go out. He now accepts that the row cost Labour seats, yes is oblivious to his own role. The man is an utter liability to the party he purports to support.
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Is he wrong ?Scott_P said:@katie_martin_fx: Ken says the Hitler controversy is fired up by Labour people "backed by the hedge funds".
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