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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    chestnut said:

    GLA (Bexley/Bromley)

    Turnout 41% (2012:38%).

    The biggest gainers in actual votes were UKIP - up nearly 20,000

    Wow!
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Labour hold Ealing & Hillingdon
    and City and East
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Good evening.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Labour hold West Midlands PCC after transfers. But he was already over 48% on first prefs.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446
    Come on Havering & Redbridge!
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Kent PCC: Con gain from Ind (who didn't stand again)
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Lambeth and Southwark turnout also up around 30,000 - all parties up on actual votes.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446

    Labour hold Ealing & Hillingdon
    and City and East

    City & East = Barking & Dagenham borough lumped together with the City of London (and Newham and Tower Hamlets)!
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446
    AndyJS said:

    Good evening.

    Evening!
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    West Mercia PCC: another Con gain from Ind (who didn't re-stand)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Alistair said:

    Why is impossible for the SNP to put a independence referendum bill before parliament?

    It's not impossible - though it may be unwise- hello SNP welcome to tactical voting and goodbye majority government
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Ealing/Hillingdon

    Onkar Sahota (Lab) 86,088 (42.83%, +2.80%)
    Dominic Gilham (C) 70,155 (34.91%, -3.23%)
    Alex Nieora (UKIP) 15,832 (7.88%, +3.76%)
    Meena Hans (Green) 15,758 (7.84%, +1.20%)
    Francesco Fruzza (LD) 13,154 (6.54%, -0.66%)
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    I see jezza & mcmao getting much of a warm welcome if they go canvassing for votes there...about on the level as Boris in Toxteth.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    That's pretty obvious. After all Labour needs more than 10% swing to win. But only a small swing to deny Tories a majority.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Lab hold Merseyside PCC
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Kensington doesn't have that high a majority (5-6K I think) - it only has 50-somthing per cent turnout
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    surbiton said:

    That's pretty obvious. After all Labour needs more than 10% swing to win. But only a small swing to deny Tories a majority.
    Can we start asking if Labour will ever win a majority again? Us Tories had to put up with years of that :D
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    ICYMI @IpsosMORI https://t.co/BLyUYbTVWQ Detects minor impact elections & coverage #immigration on atts & u/standing https://t.co/CN0xc10kTs
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Charles said:

    Kensington doesn't have that high a majority (5-6K I think) - it only has 50-somthing per cent turnout
    They also needed to win seats like Putney (majority ~10k) assuming they make no inroads in Scotland.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    City and East

    Unmesh Desai (Lab) 122,175 (57.79%, -5.18%)
    Chris Chapman (C) 32,546 (15.39%, +0.82%)
    Rachel Collinson (Green) 18,766 (8.88%, +2.51%)
    Peter Harris (UKIP) 18,071 (8.55%, +5.48%)
    Elaine Bagshaw (LD) 10,714 (5.07%, +0.77%)
    Rayne Mickail (Respect GG) 6,772 (3.20%)
    Amina Gichinga (TBTC) 1,368 (0.65%)
    Aaron D'Souza (APP) 1,009 (0.48%)


    They are missing Ken there.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Kensington includes North Kensington which is a Labour area.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited May 2016
    Do we have any more.info on how manchester uni calculated Tories would win 2020 by 9% given the results?
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    PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    I can't work out if that's surprising or not. On balance probably not; if the SNP retain all seats and LD don't take any off the Tories it would presumably be LAB largest party about 60 seats further down the targets list.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446
    edited May 2016

    City and East

    Unmesh Desai (Lab) 122,175 (57.79%, -5.18%)
    Chris Chapman (C) 32,546 (15.39%, +0.82%)
    Rachel Collinson (Green) 18,766 (8.88%, +2.51%)
    Peter Harris (UKIP) 18,071 (8.55%, +5.48%)
    Elaine Bagshaw (LD) 10,714 (5.07%, +0.77%)
    Rayne Mickail (Respect GG) 6,772 (3.20%)
    Amina Gichinga (TBTC) 1,368 (0.65%)
    Aaron D'Souza (APP) 1,009 (0.48%)


    They are missing Ken there.

    I wonder if the Kippers mostly lived in the Barking and Dagenham part of "City & East".
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,627
    Independent incumbent out of the running in Hampshire PCC.

    Between Labour and Conservative now.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Alistair said:

    Why is impossible for the SNP to put a independence referendum bill before parliament?

    Which parliament ?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068

    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    Goldsmith caught in the referendum tailwinds?

    Yup, being a Leaver was a 'courageous' choice in London.

    Especially as EU citizens can vote in this, but not the referendum.
    Combine that with the residual damage of Leavers in places like Bexley and Havering giving the Tory box a miss.
    Personally, I think Goldsmith's position on the EU had little to do with the result.

    He was a shy, low-profile candidate who ran a lacklustre campaign with limited policy offerings for Londoners.
    There was another problem, pithily captured by a friend of mine: "not good enough for a ministerial position, not good enough for London".
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited May 2016
    I remember a few years ago when all the talk was that the Tories could never win a majority because of labour in Scotland...now it's the other way around (kinda).

    You have to think at some point SNP level of popularity will have to drop from God worship level & traditionally labour will benefit.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446
    Tories hold Havering and Redbridge!
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,054
    Polruan said:

    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    Goldsmith caught in the referendum tailwinds?

    Yup, being a Leaver was a 'courageous' choice in London.

    Especially as EU citizens can vote in this, but not the referendum.
    Combine that with the residual damage of Leavers in places like Bexley and Havering giving the Tory box a miss.
    Personally, I think Goldsmith's position on the EU had little to do with the result.

    He was a shy, low-profile candidate who ran a lacklustre campaign with limited policy offerings for Londoners.
    Apologies if this has already been remarked upon, but as the results of London's second biggest elections (after GE) become clear, today's West End Final edition of the Standard devotes its front page to... Boaty McBoatface. It seems you have to look a couple of pages in to see how their anointed one did, first seeing a story about calls for Corbyn to quit after "poor results". I guess you have to give some credit for brazening it out.
    What sort of voice of London is that? It's farcical. Can anyone explain the ES's stance? Are the sort of people who buy it hugely pro-Zac or more the proprietor influence?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Has anyone got a big excellsheet of the Scottish consituency results yet?

    I will be writing a webscraper to get them off the BBC otherwise.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,627
    rcs1000 said:

    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    Goldsmith caught in the referendum tailwinds?

    Yup, being a Leaver was a 'courageous' choice in London.

    Especially as EU citizens can vote in this, but not the referendum.
    Combine that with the residual damage of Leavers in places like Bexley and Havering giving the Tory box a miss.
    Personally, I think Goldsmith's position on the EU had little to do with the result.

    He was a shy, low-profile candidate who ran a lacklustre campaign with limited policy offerings for Londoners.
    There was another problem, pithily captured by a friend of mine: "not good enough for a ministerial position, not good enough for London".
    Yes.

    Similar question over Boris as well - and he wasn't the 1st choice of Tory command - but he had the stardust factor.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    Charles said:

    Kensington doesn't have that high a majority (5-6K I think) - it only has 50-somthing per cent turnout
    Is that because it's full of Americans?
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Havering & Redbridge Con Hold

    Keith Prince (C) 64,483 (37.70%, +0.11%)
    Ivana Bartoletti (Lab) 63,045 (36.86%, +2.02%)
    Lawrence Webb (UKIP) 26,788 (15.66%, +8.98%)
    Lee Burkwood (Green) 9,617 (5.62%, +1.95%)
    Ian Sanderson (LD) 7,105 (4.15%, -0.39%)
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Labour hold Ealing & Hillingdon
    and City and East

    City & East = Barking & Dagenham borough lumped together with the City of London (and Newham and Tower Hamlets)!
    ridiculous right!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/728556123570196480

    LOL
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    PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    edited May 2016
    [duplicate]
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    surbiton said:

    That's pretty obvious. After all Labour needs more than 10% swing to win. But only a small swing to deny Tories a majority.
    We're witnessing the death of Labour as great national political party, aren't we ? The Scottish disease has metastasized far and wide.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Someone on Labour list breathes signs of relief on not gaining another constituency....
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Yes.

    Similar question over Boris as well - and he wasn't the 1st choice of Tory command - but he had the stardust factor.

    Mayor of London is a role which could almost have been created specially for Boris. He should have stayed for another term.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    Kensington doesn't have that high a majority (5-6K I think) - it only has 50-somthing per cent turnout
    Is that because it's full of Americans?
    That's St. John's Wood... Kensington is Russians, Ukrainians and Frenchies
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited May 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    Goldsmith caught in the referendum tailwinds?

    Yup, being a Leaver was a 'courageous' choice in London.

    Especially as EU citizens can vote in this, but not the referendum.
    Combine that with the residual damage of Leavers in places like Bexley and Havering giving the Tory box a miss.
    Personally, I think Goldsmith's position on the EU had little to do with the result.

    He was a shy, low-profile candidate who ran a lacklustre campaign with limited policy offerings for Londoners.
    There was another problem, pithily captured by a friend of mine: "not good enough for a ministerial position, not good enough for London".
    Having looked through the three sets of results published on the London elects site, it seems that Zac has probably generated as many votes as Boris did in 2012.

    There is a clear uplift in overall turnout though.

    Lab/Green = one bloc.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @heraldscotland: Election 2016: Tories urge Nicola Sturgeon to rule out independence referendum
    https://t.co/3uyrzPD1Ay
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Con hold Thames Valley PCC
    Con hold Staffordshire PCC
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446
    edited May 2016
    Havering & Redbridge:

    CON hold

    Full results:
    • Keith Prince (C) 64,483 (37.70%, +0.11%)
    • Ivana Bartoletti (Lab) 63,045 (36.86%, +2.02%)
    • Lawrence Webb (UKIP) 26,788 (15.66%, +8.98%)
    • Lee Burkwood (Green) 9,617 (5.62%, +1.95%)
    • Ian Sanderson (LD) 7,105 (4.15%, -0.39%)

    The turnout was up 8.2% on 2012 with 171,038 people voting
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    So far Conservatives have picked up 4 PCCs all from Ind, all other results are holds.
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,045

    Havering & Redbridge:

    Full results:
    • Keith Prince (C) 64,483 (37.70%, +0.11%)
    • Ivana Bartoletti (Lab) 63,045 (36.86%, +2.02%)
    • Lawrence Webb (UKIP) 26,788 (15.66%, +8.98%)
    • Lee Burkwood (Green) 9,617 (5.62%, +1.95%)
    • Ian Sanderson (LD) 7,105 (4.15%, -0.39%)

    The turnout was up 8.2% on 2012 with 171,038 people voting

    Ohhh close - UKIP nearly let Labour in!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2016
    In terms of Labour having any chance of winning the next election, these election results have been a bit of a disaster. They keep Corbyn in place and Labour can't win a general election with him as leader. If you go backwards in Bury, Dudley, Thurrock, Tamworth, Peterborough, etc. you're not going to win a GE.
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    PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083

    Do we have any more.info on how manchester uni calculated Tories would win 2020 by 9% given the results?

    Is BES based at Manchester? Only skimmed this on phone but may be what you're looking for

    http://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-impact/what-do-the-2016-local-elections-tell-us-about-what-might-happen-in-2020/
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Conservatives not winning in London, Wales or Scotland.

    These are big gaps in the ONE NATION CONSERVATIVE approach of Cameron.

    It will be hard for any subsequent Conservative leader to do the One Nation stuff as well as Cameron - maybe Johnson?

    So is this peak Conservative now?

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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    I think 3 of those Indies were not standing and 1 was defeated.
    BigRich said:

    So far Conservatives have picked up 4 PCCs all from Ind, all other results are holds.

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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,897
    edited May 2016

    Ken Livingstone is asked about the impact the anti-Semitism row - and his comments about Hitler in a BBC radio interview - has had on the ability of Jewish Londoners to back Sadiq Khan.

    Mr Livingston says Sadiq Khan "was 12 years old when Lenni Brenner published his book about the deal between the Zionist movement and the Nazis".

    I've just seen one of the most powerful films I've ever seen. It's the really brilliant Oscar winning 'Son of Saul' and takes place in a concentration camp. Ken should be forced to sit through it as should the shroud wavers. It's almost without dialogue and a difficult watch but I can't think anyone could leave the cinema without being a little wiser
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446
    murali_s said:

    Havering & Redbridge:

    Full results:
    • Keith Prince (C) 64,483 (37.70%, +0.11%)
    • Ivana Bartoletti (Lab) 63,045 (36.86%, +2.02%)
    • Lawrence Webb (UKIP) 26,788 (15.66%, +8.98%)
    • Lee Burkwood (Green) 9,617 (5.62%, +1.95%)
    • Ian Sanderson (LD) 7,105 (4.15%, -0.39%)

    The turnout was up 8.2% on 2012 with 171,038 people voting

    Ohhh close - UKIP nearly let Labour in!
    UKIP + Tory = 53%!
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    stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,780
    Could Labour win here without vile Ken Livingstone debacle? (10)
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,368

    Nottinghamshire

    Round 1

    TIPPING Paddy Labour Party 80926
    HARPER Tony The Conservative Party Candidate 48155
    LOI Fran UK Independence Party (UKIP) 20030
    BATES Tony Independent 14579
    ZADROZNY Jason Bernard Independent 7164

    Round 2

    Tipping 89749
    Harper 56105

    Round 1 in Broxtowe was Lab 7882 Con 7378

    It's that 2015 surge I was talking about - just arrived a bit late.

    I see Respect has now lost all its councillors in Bradford. Tough day for Galloway.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    murali_s said:

    Havering & Redbridge:

    Full results:
    • Keith Prince (C) 64,483 (37.70%, +0.11%)
    • Ivana Bartoletti (Lab) 63,045 (36.86%, +2.02%)
    • Lawrence Webb (UKIP) 26,788 (15.66%, +8.98%)
    • Lee Burkwood (Green) 9,617 (5.62%, +1.95%)
    • Ian Sanderson (LD) 7,105 (4.15%, -0.39%)

    The turnout was up 8.2% on 2012 with 171,038 people voting

    Ohhh close - UKIP nearly let Labour in!
    Not after second prefs surely?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @edmorrish: "Your name?"
    "Ken Livingstone"
    "Your specialist subject?"
    "Not bringing up Hitler"
    "You have sixty seconds and your time starts n-"
    "Hitler"
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Con hold Sussex PCC

    Lab hold Greenwich & Lewisham and Enfield & Haringey GLA seats
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,578
    RobD said:

    murali_s said:

    Havering & Redbridge:

    Full results:
    • Keith Prince (C) 64,483 (37.70%, +0.11%)
    • Ivana Bartoletti (Lab) 63,045 (36.86%, +2.02%)
    • Lawrence Webb (UKIP) 26,788 (15.66%, +8.98%)
    • Lee Burkwood (Green) 9,617 (5.62%, +1.95%)
    • Ian Sanderson (LD) 7,105 (4.15%, -0.39%)

    The turnout was up 8.2% on 2012 with 171,038 people voting

    Ohhh close - UKIP nearly let Labour in!
    Not after second prefs surely?
    RobD said:

    murali_s said:

    Havering & Redbridge:

    Full results:
    • Keith Prince (C) 64,483 (37.70%, +0.11%)
    • Ivana Bartoletti (Lab) 63,045 (36.86%, +2.02%)
    • Lawrence Webb (UKIP) 26,788 (15.66%, +8.98%)
    • Lee Burkwood (Green) 9,617 (5.62%, +1.95%)
    • Ian Sanderson (LD) 7,105 (4.15%, -0.39%)

    The turnout was up 8.2% on 2012 with 171,038 people voting

    Ohhh close - UKIP nearly let Labour in!
    Not after second prefs surely?
    Constituencies are FPTP - no second preferences.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    RobD said:

    murali_s said:

    Havering & Redbridge:

    Full results:
    • Keith Prince (C) 64,483 (37.70%, +0.11%)
    • Ivana Bartoletti (Lab) 63,045 (36.86%, +2.02%)
    • Lawrence Webb (UKIP) 26,788 (15.66%, +8.98%)
    • Lee Burkwood (Green) 9,617 (5.62%, +1.95%)
    • Ian Sanderson (LD) 7,105 (4.15%, -0.39%)

    The turnout was up 8.2% on 2012 with 171,038 people voting

    Ohhh close - UKIP nearly let Labour in!
    Not after second prefs surely?
    RobD said:

    murali_s said:

    Havering & Redbridge:

    Full results:
    • Keith Prince (C) 64,483 (37.70%, +0.11%)
    • Ivana Bartoletti (Lab) 63,045 (36.86%, +2.02%)
    • Lawrence Webb (UKIP) 26,788 (15.66%, +8.98%)
    • Lee Burkwood (Green) 9,617 (5.62%, +1.95%)
    • Ian Sanderson (LD) 7,105 (4.15%, -0.39%)

    The turnout was up 8.2% on 2012 with 171,038 people voting

    Ohhh close - UKIP nearly let Labour in!
    Not after second prefs surely?
    Constituencies are FPTP - no second preferences.
    Ah, thanks!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Scott_P said:

    @edmorrish: "Your name?"
    "Ken Livingstone"
    "Your specialist subject?"
    "Not bringing up Hitler"
    "You have sixty seconds and your time starts n-"
    "Hitler"

    I can see a new TV show..."What would Hitler do" starring acclaimed amateur historian ken livingstone. Each week he tackles modern day issues & using his expert knowledge of the former nazis leader he will tell us what Hitler would have do e to solve them.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    murali_s said:

    Havering & Redbridge:

    Full results:
    • Keith Prince (C) 64,483 (37.70%, +0.11%)
    • Ivana Bartoletti (Lab) 63,045 (36.86%, +2.02%)
    • Lawrence Webb (UKIP) 26,788 (15.66%, +8.98%)
    • Lee Burkwood (Green) 9,617 (5.62%, +1.95%)
    • Ian Sanderson (LD) 7,105 (4.15%, -0.39%)

    The turnout was up 8.2% on 2012 with 171,038 people voting

    Ohhh close - UKIP nearly let Labour in!
    Maybe UKIP stopped labour winning,did you think about that ?
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Labour hold Brent & Harrow
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Lewisham and Greenwich

    Len Duvall (Lab) 85,735 (52.48%, +2.87%)
    Adam Thomas (C) 30,840 (18.88%, -1.86%)
    Imogen Solly (Green) 20,520 (12.56%, +3.13%)
    Paul Oakley (UKIP) 13,686 (8.38%, +4.59%)
    Julia Fletcher (LD) 11,303 (6.92%, -0.21%)
    Ajaratu Bangura (APP) 1,275 (0.78%)


    Enfield and Haringay

    Joanne McCartney (Lab) 91,075 (54.00%, +2.80%)
    Linda Kelly (C) 39,923 (23.67%, -2.12%)
    Ronald Stewart (Green) 15,409 (9.14%, +0.64%)
    Nicholas da Costa (LD) 12,038 (7.14%, -2.27%)
    Neville Watson (UKIP) 9,042 (5.36%, +2.39%)
    Godson Azu (APP) 1,172 (0.69%)
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ScottyNational: Lost & Found section : Lost - one majority. Last seen next to a copy of The Sun. If found, contact Nicola S
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Lord Bach gain Leicestershire PCC for Labour from Con
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,054
    Polruan said:

    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    Goldsmith caught in the referendum tailwinds?

    Yup, being a Leaver was a 'courageous' choice in London.

    Especially as EU citizens can vote in this, but not the referendum.
    Combine that with the residual damage of Leavers in places like Bexley and Havering giving the Tory box a miss.
    Personally, I think Goldsmith's position on the EU had little to do with the result.

    He was a shy, low-profile candidate who ran a lacklustre campaign with limited policy offerings for Londoners.
    Apologies if this has already been remarked upon, but as the results of London's second biggest elections (after GE) become clear, today's West End Final edition of the Standard devotes its front page to... Boaty McBoatface. It seems you have to look a couple of pages in to see how their anointed one did, first seeing a story about calls for Corbyn to quit after "poor results". I guess you have to give some credit for brazening it out.
    What sort of voice of London is that? It's farcical. Can anyone explain the ES's stance? Are the sort of people who buy it hugely pro-Zac or more the proprietor influence?
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    There's probably a place for gorgeous George at Labour's top table recently vacated by Ken "I can stop talking about Hitler" Livingstone.

    Nottinghamshire

    Round 1

    TIPPING Paddy Labour Party 80926
    HARPER Tony The Conservative Party Candidate 48155
    LOI Fran UK Independence Party (UKIP) 20030
    BATES Tony Independent 14579
    ZADROZNY Jason Bernard Independent 7164

    Round 2

    Tipping 89749
    Harper 56105

    Round 1 in Broxtowe was Lab 7882 Con 7378

    It's that 2015 surge I was talking about - just arrived a bit late.

    I see Respect has now lost all its councillors in Bradford. Tough day for Galloway.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,897
    I thought Ian Murray the last Labour MP in Scotland gave a far more sensible appraisal of the elections than the pile of drivel that McDonnell treated us to. The sooner this bunch of chancers get kicked out the better
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,967
    I'm glad to see that both Tony Devenish and Keith Prince have been elected to the London Assembly. They'll both be very able.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    New thread
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Good evening, everyone.

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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    Conservatives not winning in London, Wales or Scotland.

    These are big gaps in the ONE NATION CONSERVATIVE approach of Cameron.

    It will be hard for any subsequent Conservative leader to do the One Nation stuff as well as Cameron - maybe Johnson?

    So is this peak Conservative now?

    The big gaps you cite is the exact reason I voted Labour for the first time in my life yesterday. True, my vote is just one but I felt the Conservatives needed a kick in the posterior. Shame the results are not worse for the Tories, that's all I can say as they will carry on regardless. I will have to spoil my ballot or look for a party that will do little damage to the country like the Lib Dems at the next GE.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    GMB union: Jeremy Corbyn should be given 'a year or so' to prove himself
    Posted at 17:18
    Jeremy Corbyn should be given "a year or so" to prove himself, according to Tim Roache, the general secretary of the GMB union.

    He said the Labour leader's critics should rally around his leadership - but conceded the party "should be winning hundreds of seats" at this stage.

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    How many times did we hear this about ed & 5 years later he was still there in a car park with a 7ft high tablet of stone...
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited May 2016
    Hitlers deal wiyth the Zionists..
    H..We wont kill you if you start shipping Jews out of Germany to Israel
    Z..OK
    H ..Deal done...now piss off and get on with it.... Schnell
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Paul Waugh
    Team Corbyn shd buy Rallings&Thrasher a big bottle of champers. Their forecast of Lab losing 150 seats set the bar the party cleared today
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,897

    I.am not sure Jezza is very wise to keep linking labour with extremists...surely he would be better saying Tories ran a very negative campaign etc etc etc, but he said numerous times in his speech about Tories claims of Sadiq connections to extremists.

    I thought the advice was always never repeat your opponents allegations rather reframe them. Cameron going in about offshore tax.havens just makes people think he is a tax dodger.

    Quite right. He's gone 67 years without needing to understand the finer points of his trade and it shows
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    stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,780
    stjohn said:

    Could Labour win here without vile Ken Livingstone debacle? (10)

    Kensington. "Ken Livingstone" with "vile" removed and letters rearranged.

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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    I see that Tory losses at 33 are now higher than Labour's 25.Don't think that was part of the script.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,551
    stjohn said:

    stjohn said:

    Could Labour win here without vile Ken Livingstone debacle? (10)

    Kensington. "Ken Livingstone" with "vile" removed and letters rearranged.

    Brilliant! Vote Ken, and put the Vile back into Kensington!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,047

    Paul Waugh
    Team Corbyn shd buy Rallings&Thrasher a big bottle of champers. Their forecast of Lab losing 150 seats set the bar the party cleared today

    Helped, certainly, although team Corbyn played the expectations game very well bar Corbyn's one 'won't lose seats gaffe'. Made their message management seem less absurd.
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