Starmer's speech generally good overall in terms of targeting swing voters, apart from that bit he just did where he attacked Boris for reintroducing Latin in state schools which was a bit philistine
Perhaps. In the long term, both parties need to recognise that introducing or increasing modern work skills to the national curriculum will mean squeezing out old stuff whether that be Latin or oxbow lakes or the unification of Italy.
How can Latin be squeezed out when it is not taught in the State sector?
What he has missed on that one is that a large majority of European countries teach Latin. It is about culture and thinking; but he's chosen the cheap mudslinging option.
That's a US level for R&D spending. I can't see a Labour government offering similar business and financial terms to support it. Are Labour going to let such investors get filthy rich? Are they going to change the law so that businesses that fail and the people that run them can rapidly bounce back? And they going to offer the massive tax breaks you can get in the US at Federal and State level?
Nice target, but I really would be surprised to see Labour adopt policies that would see the UK catch up with the US. Labour usually condemns such stuff.
Filled up at Sainsbury's, bust but nothing out of the ordinary queue wise. However did have one fellow filling up a petrol can on foot and another person who had apparently never used a petrol station before and stopped at the first available pump rather than pulling forward to the next free pump.
Starmer's speech generally good overall in terms of targeting swing voters, apart from that bit he just did where he attacked Boris for reintroducing Latin in state schools which was a bit philistine
Perhaps. In the long term, both parties need to recognise that introducing or increasing modern work skills to the national curriculum will mean squeezing out old stuff whether that be Latin or oxbow lakes or the unification of Italy.
Studying pronouns could be good training for the modern workplace.
I cannot watch it, how is his delivery? I confess his voice is slightly annoying to me in some undefinable way, but its not a big deal.
His cadence is good.
He was excellent in the emotional story bits. Very well rehearsed I would say.
Why didn’t he stay there? He’s now sounding like a kind of well-meaning middle-management Lib Dem version of ceaucescu, with a 3 hour speech to dutifully applauding party apparatchiks
I cannot watch it, how is his delivery? I confess his voice is slightly annoying to me in some undefinable way, but its not a big deal.
It's...fine. It's not set your world on fire but it's not bad, I'd put him somewhere between Attlee and Blair
More between IDS and Sooty
Very funny image. To be fair, IDS's "quiet man" speech is one on the funniest things I've ever seen in politics, whereas I'd place the effectiveness of this speech so far more between Howard and early Cameron.
I cannot watch it, how is his delivery? I confess his voice is slightly annoying to me in some undefinable way, but its not a big deal.
His cadence is good.
He was excellent in the emotional story bits. Very well rehearsed I would say.
Why didn’t he stay there? He’s now sounding like a kind of well-meaning middle-management Lib Dem version of ceaucescu, with a 3 hour speech to dutifully applauding party apparatchiks
I think he wants to make sure he says as much as he can that is in the infamous essay, otherwise he has wasted a summer.
The greater proportion of tax burden should not fall on working people.
Is that even remotely possible if taken literally?
Yes absolutely 100% possible.
Tax unearned income at the same rate as earned income.
I won't hold my breath for Labour to actually mean that though, but if they did I'd lend them my vote.
I agree but I think the question is whether the amount of unearned income is greater than the amount of earned income which is what he seems to be claiming? I have no idea about that.
All Ed Miliband's work, and both left and right of the party standing to applaud. As I've mentioned many times, the centre of the party, not Mandelsonianism, will ultimately be what is essential for Starmer.
I cannot watch it, how is his delivery? I confess his voice is slightly annoying to me in some undefinable way, but its not a big deal.
His cadence is good.
He was excellent in the emotional story bits. Very well rehearsed I would say.
Why didn’t he stay there? He’s now sounding like a kind of well-meaning middle-management Lib Dem version of ceaucescu, with a 3 hour speech to dutifully applauding party apparatchiks
I think he wants to make sure he says as much as he can that is in the infamous essay, otherwise he has wasted a summer.
Is he reading this off something we can't see? Otherwise, remembering all of this and delivering it so well is seriously impressive.
Have seen one of his heckle retorts about it usually being Tories who heckle him on a Wednesday - very good, ties in the idea that they are being the Tories' helpers.
I cannot watch it, how is his delivery? I confess his voice is slightly annoying to me in some undefinable way, but its not a big deal.
His cadence is good.
He was excellent in the emotional story bits. Very well rehearsed I would say.
Why didn’t he stay there? He’s now sounding like a kind of well-meaning middle-management Lib Dem version of ceaucescu, with a 3 hour speech to dutifully applauding party apparatchiks
I think he wants to make sure he says as much as he can that is in the infamous essay, otherwise he has wasted a summer.
Is he reading this off something we can't see? Otherwise, remembering all of this and delivering it so well is seriously impressive.
He turns from left to right to left again, like anyone reading a speech from two invisible plastic screens - as is normal these days
All Ed Miliband's work, and both left and right of the party standing to applaud. As I've mentioned many times, the centre of the party, not Mandelsonianism, will be key for Starmer.
I cannot watch it, how is his delivery? I confess his voice is slightly annoying to me in some undefinable way, but its not a big deal.
His cadence is good.
He was excellent in the emotional story bits. Very well rehearsed I would say.
Why didn’t he stay there? He’s now sounding like a kind of well-meaning middle-management Lib Dem version of ceaucescu, with a 3 hour speech to dutifully applauding party apparatchiks
I think he wants to make sure he says as much as he can that is in the infamous essay, otherwise he has wasted a summer.
Is he reading this off something we can't see? Otherwise, remembering all of this and delivering it so well is seriously impressive.
There's two visible teleprompters just ahead of him.
Just flipped the radio on. Genuinely no idea if it is/was SKS or Ed Milliband talking. Talking about Labour achievements - when? And how wages have gone down under the Cons - not according to the ONS they haven't.
If he was so decent why was he prepared to stand with the far left and stand against those who were opposing antisemitism in 2019? Why did he put his career before saying that antisemitism is wrong?
Probably the same reason Corbyn and his rabble didn't leave in the 1990s. They were biding their time, just as the more moderate wing of Labour had to bide theirs.
You can't just leave a party you don't agree with at the current time (well, you can, but you'll achieve very little unless you really are lucky). You wait and try and change it back to your vision of what Labour should be.
On a personal note, Starmer is still on the "might vote for" list, unlike the NIMBY borderline antivax Lib Dems right now. I've a mind to read the manifestoes thoroughly this time round.
I think it has been bold to mention an opposition slogan, eg levelling up, so prominently. Can go wrong to air your opponents' messaging, but they must see a weakness there given its vagueness.
Filled up at Sainsbury's, bust but nothing out of the ordinary queue wise. However did have one fellow filling up a petrol can on foot and another person who had apparently never used a petrol station before and stopped at the first available pump rather than pulling forward to the next free pump.
On a personal note, Starmer is still on the "might vote for" list, unlike the NIMBY borderline antivax Lib Dems right now. I've a mind to read the manifestoes thoroughly this time round.
I can't vote for anyone, dislike Starmer for his plans to destroy private schools.
He seems a deep, deep functionalist. He is going to do lots of small but important foundational stuff to make things run smoother, change emphasis and piece it all together in the belief the end result will amount to big stuff. I think he is genuinely working up not down - this is the level at which Starmer will govern, perhaps there isn't and doesn't need to be more. If done well and with thought, it could work, but how is that pitch to be made?
On a personal note, Starmer is still on the "might vote for" list, unlike the NIMBY borderline antivax Lib Dems right now. I've a mind to read the manifestoes thoroughly this time round.
I can't vote for anyone, dislike Starmer for his plans to destroy private schools.
You will vote LD then I imagine like you usually do
I can get behind this. It is boringly presented and I don't agree with much of the answers but he has chosen the right topics and has the right intent.
On a personal note, Starmer is still on the "might vote for" list, unlike the NIMBY borderline antivax Lib Dems right now. I've a mind to read the manifestoes thoroughly this time round.
I can't vote for anyone, dislike Starmer for his plans to destroy private schools.
My old school seems to have destroyed merged with the other independent school and rebranded must to everyone's annoyance itself so that's not an ideological hang up for me.
That's a US level for R&D spending. I can't see a Labour government offering similar business and financial terms to support it. Are Labour going to let such investors get filthy rich? Are they going to change the law so that businesses that fail and the people that run them can rapidly bounce back? And they going to offer the massive tax breaks you can get in the US at Federal and State level?
Nice target, but I really would be surprised to see Labour adopt policies that would see the UK catch up with the US. Labour usually condemns such stuff.
The only way you could achieve anything like that is more than 100% tax relief on R&D, a policy I have suggested before. But it would be expensive.
Good on taking the knee and England and so on but iirc Dominic Cummings said much the same thing about the stupidity of Boris getting on the wrong side of motherhood and apple pie over this.
On a personal note, Starmer is still on the "might vote for" list, unlike the NIMBY borderline antivax Lib Dems right now. I've a mind to read the manifestoes thoroughly this time round.
I can't vote for anyone, dislike Starmer for his plans to destroy private schools.
I was just reading this in today's grauniad and thinking how chilling it was
When Bentall was 13, his parents used all their savings to send the brothers to Uppingham, then a forbidding boys’ boarding school in Rutland, which they hoped would give them a good start in life. Instead, Bentall was bullied for his Yorkshire accent and poor athletic performance. “I was basically mocked every day of my life between the ages of 13 and 18,” he says.
I can get behind this. It is boringly presented and I don't agree with much of the answers but he has chosen the right topics and has the right intent.
He's chosen the right topics by covering everything. Expect a passage on water resource allocation in Guatemala incoming.
On a personal note, Starmer is still on the "might vote for" list, unlike the NIMBY borderline antivax Lib Dems right now. I've a mind to read the manifestoes thoroughly this time round.
I can't vote for anyone, dislike Starmer for his plans to destroy private schools.
You will vote LD then I imagine like you usually do
Nope, I've said I cannot vote for the Lib Dems as some of them have drunk the antivax/5G koolaid.
As for usually, out of the seven general elections I've been eligible to vote in I've voted Conservative in five of them. So I usually vote Conservative.
The only two times I haven't was when I had to vote tactically and stop Corbynites winning the seat.
Also amused (as always at these things, all parties) by the people giving a standing ovation while looking thoroughly bored, glancing around or down. If you're really enthused, you tend to look at the person enthusing you.
If he was so decent why was he prepared to stand with the far left and stand against those who were opposing antisemitism in 2019? Why did he put his career before saying that antisemitism is wrong?
Probably the same reason Corbyn and his rabble didn't leave in the 1990s. They were biding their time, just as the more moderate wing of Labour had to bide theirs.
You can't just leave a party you don't agree with at the current time (well, you can, but you'll achieve very little unless you really are lucky). You wait and try and change it back to your vision of what Labour should be.
Corbyn didn't bide his time in Blair's Cabinet.
Starmer could have stabbed Corbyn in the front and stood up against antisemitism and bided his time on the backbenches.
Managed to see some of it now. He's doing well as far as I can see. Not that dull, some decent lines, yes a lot of trite stuff, dealt well with hecklers.
It's a dull line, but he does seem credible, and believable when he talks about patriotism, the union, the military etc.
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Is that even remotely possible if taken literally?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/apr/23/rape-conviction-rate-high
(2013)...In raw figures, there were 3,692 prosecutions for rape last year, resulting in 2,333 convictions...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/23/fewer-than-one-in-60-cases-lead-to-charge-in-england-and-wales
(2020) ...While there were 52,210 rapes recorded by police in England and Wales in 2020, only 843 resulted in a charge or a summons – a rate of 1.6%..
Sir kyrr Starmer saying ‘and let me give you an example’
What he has missed on that one is that a large majority of European countries teach Latin. It is about culture and thinking; but he's chosen the cheap mudslinging option.
Nice target, but I really would be surprised to see Labour adopt policies that would see the UK catch up with the US. Labour usually condemns such stuff.
Keir will be delighted
Started well, now crap
Be a boring Twat
Tax unearned income at the same rate as earned income.
I won't hold my breath for Labour to actually mean that though, but if they did I'd lend them my vote.
The 2013 number is the the number of prosecutions which led to a conviction.
The 2020 number is the number of accusations that led to a charge
They are measuring completely different things.
Sir K is working well.
Someone on UC has a bigger tax burden than a multi millionaire, imo.
Burden = cause (someone) worry, hardship, or distress.
I'm sure there's a way of measuring investment that makes it right (they'll have been careful, I hope!). Might not be the most valid of measurements.
You can get almost any figure if you ask exactly the right question.
GREEN NEW DEAL
gets standing ovation.
Pity he didnt want it discussed at Conference
I have no idea how it will be reported with the shocking news on Sarah Everard and the media likely covering the heckling
However, Starmer has proved he is the best leader for labour at this time
Also, the number of rapes reported has grown massively since 2013, so Starmer was being nowhere near as disingenuous as suggested.
Exactly what everyone listening wants them to mean?
It's a close run think but I'd give it to the hecklers -just.
Hahahaha
Keir Starmer has not looked to Blair, or Corbyn, for inspiration.
He has looked to David Cameron.
Starmer is positioning to claim credit for the significant things that have already been achieved.
Such as the UK being approx. on track for the 1.5C level, an about the only significant economy to be so.
There a lot of versions of it around.
Maybe Keir Starmer won't win - but he has plotted a course for Labour back to power.
What's going on???
Edit: the audience were loving it tho
OK I cant watch anymore he is crap
You can't just leave a party you don't agree with at the current time (well, you can, but you'll achieve very little unless you really are lucky). You wait and try and change it back to your vision of what Labour should be.
Not sure, otherwise.
Given red is Labour's colour, it's a wee bit ambiguous.
Looks like the performative political posturing on facewear didn't suit today.
*a nation prays*
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1443178459627507714?s=20
No chance with this bloke.
This speech is too long but in many ways he is bringing labour out of its unelectability and laying down a challenge to Boris
If they are so bad, what does it say about us
Excellent line
This is a boring speech that had to be made
When Bentall was 13, his parents used all their savings to send the brothers to Uppingham, then a forbidding boys’ boarding school in Rutland, which they hoped would give them a good start in life. Instead, Bentall was bullied for his Yorkshire accent and poor athletic performance. “I was basically mocked every day of my life between the ages of 13 and 18,” he says.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/29/richard-bentall-the-doctor-who-lost-his-brother-then-revolutionised-psychology
Expect a passage on water resource allocation in Guatemala incoming.
The best part of his speech.
As for usually, out of the seven general elections I've been eligible to vote in I've voted Conservative in five of them. So I usually vote Conservative.
The only two times I haven't was when I had to vote tactically and stop Corbynites winning the seat.
Also amused (as always at these things, all parties) by the people giving a standing ovation while looking thoroughly bored, glancing around or down. If you're really enthused, you tend to look at the person enthusing you.
Starmer could have stabbed Corbyn in the front and stood up against antisemitism and bided his time on the backbenches.
But no, he put his own personal career first.
It's a dull line, but he does seem credible, and believable when he talks about patriotism, the union, the military etc.
He's sounding too much like a Tory for my taste. Let's hope not being Johnson is enough..