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  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653
    The crime section could be a Conservative speech couldn't it?
  • Getting a bit boring now...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,776
    Cyclefree said:

    The information coming out at the Old Bailey at Wayne Couzens' sentencing is horrific and heartbreaking.

    I really feel for her parents and family today.

    What a vile man. I'd love to see him hang.
  • Stocky said:

    The crime section could be a Conservative speech couldn't it?

    It's not very 'labour' is it...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,290
    Stocky said:

    The crime section could be a Conservative speech couldn't it?

    A dull conservative speech

    He’s gone from rather good to notably dreary in 5 minutes
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    tlg86 said:

    What does fast-tracking rape cases mean?

    He hopes that the Six O’Clock News fast-tracks through the rape case that’s going to be the headline, and spends more time covering his speech?
  • He's going big on planning.

    So why didn't they use the word in the back drop slogan?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,598

    I don't think anyone can say that Starmer is not an honest decent man.

    But is he a good politician?

    I say that he's not an honest decent man.

    He stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Corbyn for years.
    Johnson was in May's Cabinet before he stabbed her in the front, but that's different?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,044
    edited September 2021
    "Where's Mandelson?" yells a cult loon.

    About to have you thrown out of the party mate.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,557

    Leon said:

    Bit disingenuous there. Claiming he was shocked when he found out 98% of rape cases don't end in a criminal conviction.

    What was he doing all that time he was DPP and head of the CPS?

    These have been the same numbers for years. Did he not know what was going on when he was the man responsible for prosecutions?

    Yes, that was an outright lie
    The man has never had any honesty so we shouldn't be surprised.

    He's a chameleon who'll say whatever he thinks is best to further his own career.
    You make much more succintly the point I made below.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,973
    The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,290
    Lost the mojo. Needs to go back to actual hard stories
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,100

    Bit disingenuous there. Claiming he was shocked when he found out 98% of rape cases don't end in a criminal conviction.

    What was he doing all that time he was DPP and head of the CPS?

    These have been the same numbers for years. Did he not know what was going on when he was the man responsible for prosecutions?

    Does he actually mean "complaints" rather than cases?
  • Bit disingenuous there. Claiming he was shocked when he found out 98% of rape cases don't end in a criminal conviction.

    What was he doing all that time he was DPP and head of the CPS?

    These have been the same numbers for years. Did he not know what was going on when he was the man responsible for prosecutions?

    I thought he was referring to his time as DPP.
    Well he became DPP under Labour in 2008 so he can hardly use that as a way to attack Boris.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,290
    edited September 2021
    “NHS waiting lists are at a record’

    Yeah, mate, we’ve just had a fucking global plague
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,785
    He has a plan??
  • I don't think anyone can say that Starmer is not an honest decent man.

    But is he a good politician?

    I say that he's not an honest decent man.

    He stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Corbyn for years.
    Johnson was in May's Cabinet before he stabbed her in the front, but that's different?
    May was atrocious but she was no Corbyn.

    Starmer stayed shoulder-to-should with Corbyn through the whole antisemitism drama and stuck with him to the bitter end. He stood on the platform of being in Corbyn's Cabinet and making Corbyn PM even after all the antisemitism stuff was public knowledge.

    He put his career first. He's a careerist not principled and he has no honesty.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,290
    Pro_Rata said:

    He has a plan??

    It would be nice if he told us
  • The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..

    Raging at the dying of the light. There were rumours they are planning to start yet another new socialist party. Let's hope they sod off and do just that.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,165
    Starmer will have us exercising every morning like in 1984.
  • Stocky said:

    The crime section could be a Conservative speech couldn't it?

    It's not very 'labour' is it...
    It's what Labour needs to be.


  • (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
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    8m
    My main takeaway from this is Keir Starmer is a decent guy and his party is still a bit of a rabble.
  • MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Yet another front that Labour is now facing is the threat to their dominance amongst ethnic minorities. This government is by far the most racially diverse we have ever had and it is not even close. The modern Conservative party has excellent role models for many ethnic minorities and has shown that there is no glass ceiling for them either.

    There are some interesting numbers in this site re the number of seats held by the respective parties and the percentage of the population that is non white: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/ge2019-how-did-demographics-affect-the-result/
    Other than 1 extreme outlier the Tories have traditionally done very badly in such seats. If that starts to change Labour are in deep trouble. And I think it will, especially with those of an Indian background. If Rishi replaces Boris those risks will be all the greater.

    Especially since the Tories don't talk down to minorities like Labour can tend to do so.

    The modern Tories are extremely comfortable with people of all races without needing to divide people against each other.
    There are of course still some not so modern Tories but they are increasingly far away from the power centre of the party. Its a very good thing.
    I think you are deluded. Mild racism and overt homophobia was rife in the Conservative Party among the more right wing of the activists when I was involved over 10 years ago. Those are the people that are still members and activists today. Most of the more liberally minded individuals have left. There is diversity in the upper echelons of the party and that is a good thing, but there is still plenty of prejudice, and while some wish to deny it the anti-EU rhetoric is essentially xenophobic in not all, but most.
    Is there research less than a decade old on this?

    Genuine question.
    It would need to be very recent research as Conservative Party membership has trebled in the last couple of years.
    Quite interested - do you have a source for Tory membership going down to 70k? I have seen speculative numbers but nothing more.

    Currently it is around 200-220k, and I'd agree with "nearly doubled".

    As to who they all are, I don't know.

    The numbers that would really interest me are 1 - Age profile, and 2 - Has there been a tilt to the Midlands / North.
    Since the Conservatives do not publish annual figures like the other parties, there can only be what you call speculation but are probably leaks from CCHQ. 60 or 70,000 was widely reported. Note that even now after the recent trebling of membership, they are really only back to where they were during the Labour years.

    A quick google finds this, for instance:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-party-membership-boris-johnson-b1823310.html

    Anyway, the point is that the recent influx of new members (not entryists because that only happens to Labour!) means any research on party members' attitudes or beliefs is probably unreliable if more than 2 or 3 years old.
    Exactly. I'm aware of that, and the Indy is not exactly a reliable source.

    That's likely based on a bit of speculation from here, where the actual number never goes below 100k.
    https://copov.blogspot.com/search?q=membership
    iirc the party's accounts showed a huge fall in income from membership fees, and a subsequent rise. You will notice in your link that party chair Brandon Lewis does not deny the 60 or 70,000 figures, he fudges over them and announces the rise.

  • The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..

    Raging at the dying of the light. There were rumours they are planning to start yet another new socialist party. Let's hope they sod off and do just that.
    If I were Starmer, I would hope not.
  • What does that actually mean? Prevention better than cure and all that yes.
  • tlg86 said:

    What does fast-tracking rape cases mean?

    The strategy I read about was prioritising rape and sexual crimes for things like forensic tests & results. Currently AIUI if the forensics for a break gets opened first then it treated first ahead of a rape forensics result.

    Also boosting the size of the CPS sexual crimes division would help in the fast tracking.

    Charging decisions is a huge bottle neck, not everyone is qualified/experience in this area.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    edited September 2021
    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1443180241585950724

    Labour is two different parties isn't it...
  • glwglw Posts: 9,535

    I don't think anyone can say that Starmer is not an honest decent man.

    But is he a good politician?

    I say that he's not an honest decent man.

    He stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Corbyn for years.
    Johnson was in May's Cabinet before he stabbed her in the front, but that's different?
    May was atrocious but she was no Corbyn.

    Starmer stayed shoulder-to-should with Corbyn through the whole antisemitism drama and stuck with him to the bitter end. He stood on the platform of being in Corbyn's Cabinet and making Corbyn PM even after all the antisemitism stuff was public knowledge.

    He put his career first. He's a careerist not principled and he has no honesty.
    A few more votes in 2019 and SKS would be serving in a Corbyn government.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,290
    God it’s dull now
  • Starmer - "My dad was a toolmaker"

    and people say he is not honest

    Woosh. Starmer was teeing up the same joke about Boris.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,290
    There’s a robot on a ward

    Lol
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840
    Mental health is long overdue taking seriously.
    Just look at these hecklers.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,587

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    The "future of aviation".....in a 36 year old aircraft:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/winners-of-3-million-zero-emission-flight-aviation-competition-announced

    It's a Dornier Aurigny sold them earlier this year....

    15 projects given a total of £700,000. Can’t see that going too far, when trying to do anything involving aeroplanes.
    It needs something like the X Prize. A $10mn prize for a jumbo jet design that is purely electric...
    Simply not feasible.
    Electric will be short/medium haul, and single aisle aircraft.

    The big jets will need synthetic fuel manufactured using renewable electric, which is a decade off at least, but is entirely feasible given the cash being thrown at developing more efficient processes (and the early results from that).
    Biomass gasification followed by Fischer Tropsch Synthesis gives you very good 'drop in' synthetic Jet-A1. Then you get to pretend that the CO2 coming out of the back end of the jet engines isn't really there.
    That's quite likely the stopgap solution.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,290
    Bring back the hecklers. More hecklers
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    Really smart move by Starmer's team to hire these actors and get them to heckle so ludicrously.

    A masterstroke. Pity they couldn't get Hatton out of retirement.
  • The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..

    Raging at the dying of the light. There were rumours they are planning to start yet another new socialist party. Let's hope they sod off and do just that.
    And in the parallel universe where the Labour leadership had kicked them out, they would have been they heroic martyrs that they are clearly desperate to be seen as.

    As it is, they've been given just enough rope to hang themselves... and that's what they've done. In just over a year.

    Smart.
  • Starmer is on about the white heat of the technological revolution.
  • Leon said:

    Bit disingenuous there. Claiming he was shocked when he found out 98% of rape cases don't end in a criminal conviction.

    What was he doing all that time he was DPP and head of the CPS?

    These have been the same numbers for years. Did he not know what was going on when he was the man responsible for prosecutions?

    Yes, that was an outright lie
    The man has never had any honesty so we shouldn't be surprised.

    He's a chameleon who'll say whatever he thinks is best to further his own career.
    Boris, you mean, I presume?
  • Getting a bit boring now...

    As of 12:48 in my google doc, where the speech is cut and paste, we are currently on page 12 of 25

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1443180885835231236
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,290
    edited September 2021

    Starmer is on about the white heat of the technological revolution.

    Yes it’s wilson trying and failing to be Blair - which is still far better than Corbyn, of course
  • It's ok but ...

    We remember Kinnock's speech from 1985. We won't remember this one for long.
  • Getting a bit boring now...

    As of 12:48 in my google doc, where the speech is cut and paste, we are currently on page 12 of 25

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1443180885835231236
    Strap yer-selfs in lads...
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
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    8m
    My main takeaway from this is Keir Starmer is a decent guy and his party is still a bit of a rabble.

    He IS a decent guy and is intelligent and strategic. He is positioning as New Labour did but without the charisma. Blair was easy to like - much more so than Starmer, who comes over as being overly earnest, droning, chiding and somewhat flat, monotone and a little insincere yet overly sentimental (though I don't think he actually does lack sincerity).

    He is totally focused on gaining power ahead of holding (or at least revealing) specific policy or an underpinning ideology. To get Red Wall voters back this is what he has to do.

    If you can stomach the cynicism I still think he was Labour's best choice at the time.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,587

    Not sure whether this has been covered?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/29/covid-new-zealand-reports-jump-in-cases-as-opposition-calls-for-opening-up

    I am/was a fan of Jacinda, but I'm increasingly concerned that she seems borderline delusional on Covid.

    She is on record as saying that 90% of the NZ population must be fully vaccinated before the country opens up – which sounds sensible until you calculate that (almost?) zero nations have achieved that yet, despite being months ahead of NZ on their vaccine programmes.

    The global evidence is that the law of diminishing returns bites hard – getting the last 15% vaccinated is tricky, because you run into a wall of apathy and/or antivaxxery.

    Meanwhile, NZ has plummeted from 1st to 38th on the Bloomberg Covid Resilience Index, which is a quite remarkable fall from grace.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-resilience-ranking/

    Has Jacinda lost the plot?

    Portugal is just shy of 85%.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,480
    edited September 2021

    Starmer is on about the white heat of the technological revolution.

    If he follows that up with some more Wilsonian and less Mandelsonian party management skills and tactics, he could yet be Prime Minister.
  • Very worthy on poor children but he is no Marcus Rashford.
  • Stocky said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    8m
    My main takeaway from this is Keir Starmer is a decent guy and his party is still a bit of a rabble.

    He IS a decent guy and is intelligent and strategic. He is positioning as New Labour did but without the charisma. Blair was easy to like - much more so than Starmer, who comes over as being overly earnest, droning, chiding and somewhat flat, monotone and a little insincere yet overly sentimental (though I don't think he actually does lack sincerity).

    He is totally focused on gaining power ahead of holding (or at least revealing) specific policy or an underpinning ideology. To get Red Wall voters back this is what he has to do.

    If you can stomach the cynicism I still think he was Labour's best choice at the time.
    The difference is that New labour was united (mostly) and firing on all cyclinders with many people working together.

    Starmer feels like he's trying to herd cats.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653
    Leon said:

    “NHS waiting lists are at a record’

    Yeah, mate, we’ve just had a fucking global plague

    And they argued for lockdowns as much as anyone (and still do).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,598

    The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..

    Raging at the dying of the light. There were rumours they are planning to start yet another new socialist party. Let's hope they sod off and do just that.
    If I were Starmer, I would hope not.
    It won't take any voters with it, just like Change didn't from the other wing. Except maybe BJO.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,290
    Cringe. Fat boy slim
  • Stocky said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    8m
    My main takeaway from this is Keir Starmer is a decent guy and his party is still a bit of a rabble.

    He IS a decent guy and is intelligent and strategic. He is positioning as New Labour did but without the charisma. Blair was easy to like - much more so than Starmer, who comes over as being overly earnest, droning, chiding and somewhat flat, monotone and a little insincere yet overly sentimental (though I don't think he actually does lack sincerity).

    He is totally focused on gaining power ahead of holding (or at least revealing) specific policy or an underpinning ideology. To get Red Wall voters back this is what he has to do.

    If you can stomach the cynicism I still think he was Labour's best choice at the time.
    If he was so decent why was he prepared to stand with the far left and stand against those who were opposing antisemitism in 2019? Why did he put his career before saying that antisemitism is wrong?

    If he'd have had the courage to stab Corbyn in the front then maybe he'd be decent. But then maybe he'd have not become Labour Leader and his career came first.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,725
    Yawnsville City Arizona

    The 3 Rs FFS is that the plan

    RRRD
  • Starmers a bit of a traditional Tory isn't he....3r's and all that.
  • The stuff on computer skills is really important.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840
    "Curriculum for the future" is a good line tbh.
    This is pure our 'arold.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,725
    What a boring twat SKS is
  • Apparently this speech is 7,286 words long
  • What a boring twat SKS is

    Put you down as a maybe?
  • I think this is a very good speech - but what do I know
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,480
    edited September 2021

    The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..

    Raging at the dying of the light. There were rumours they are planning to start yet another new socialist party. Let's hope they sod off and do just that.
    If I were Starmer, I would hope not.
    It won't take any voters with it, just like Change didn't from the other wing. Except maybe BJO.
    I don't agree with that. He's already lost around six points to the Greens, without equivalent gains on the centre-right, because not all those around him have updated their tactics. He should also look back to what old Harold was doing in 1965 and 1966, I think, too.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,718
    edited September 2021
    Starmer's speech generally good overall in terms of targeting swing voters, apart from that bit he just did where he attacked Boris for reintroducing Latin in state schools which was a bit philistine
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,290
    edited September 2021
    This is seriously trite now

    Totally forgettable. The only really memorable bit (to date) is his excellent put-down of the hecklers - ‘changing nations, not changing slogans’

    That’s what people will take-away. Might be rather good for Labour
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,100
    edited September 2021
    Artificial intelligence will fix special needs education ... Hmm.

    Has he said anything on Independent Schools, yet?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653

    What a boring twat SKS is

    Ha ha. Yes, ten minutes of listening to it is too much. But TBF I don't think I'd want to listen to any politician for over ten minutes.

    Some in the past I would have (and did). Tony Benn, Ken Clark and Alan Clark come to mind.

    Are you actually there heckling by any chance?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,725

    The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..

    Raging at the dying of the light. There were rumours they are planning to start yet another new socialist party. Let's hope they sod off and do just that.
    If I were Starmer, I would hope not.
    It won't take any voters with it, just like Change didn't from the other wing. Except maybe BJO.
    Hecklers have nodded off.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653

    I think this is a very good speech - but what do I know

    Be honest. Aren't your eyelids drooping?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,290
    Someone is heckling by… cheerful whistling?
  • HYUFD said:

    Starmer's speech generally good overall in terms of targeting swing voters, apart from that bit he just did where he attacked Boris for reintroducing Latin in state schools which was a bit philistine

    Will they be offering ballroom as well?
  • Leon said:

    This is seriously trite now

    Totally forgettable. The only really memorable bit (to date) is his excellent put-down of the hecklers - ‘changing nations, not changing slogans’

    That’s what people will take-away. Might be rather good for Labour

    He is becoming boring because his speech is too long
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 23,944
    edited September 2021
    HYUFD said:

    Starmer's speech generally good overall in terms of targeting swing voters, apart from that bit he just did where he attacked Boris for reintroducing Latin in state schools which was a bit philistine

    Perhaps. In the long term, both parties need to recognise that introducing or increasing modern work skills to the national curriculum will mean squeezing out old stuff whether that be Latin or oxbow lakes or the unification of Italy.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,725

    The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..

    Raging at the dying of the light. There were rumours they are planning to start yet another new socialist party. Let's hope they sod off and do just that.
    If I were Starmer, I would hope not.
    It won't take any voters with it, just like Change didn't from the other wing. Except maybe BJO.
    Hecklers have nodded off.
    Just woke up with "£15 an hour"

  • Bit disingenuous there. Claiming he was shocked when he found out 98% of rape cases don't end in a criminal conviction.

    What was he doing all that time he was DPP and head of the CPS?

    These have been the same numbers for years. Did he not know what was going on when he was the man responsible for prosecutions?

    I liked the way he said, "I asked my team to check the figures." It's a rhetorical technique to give himself a managerial aura.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    An hour in, and half way through. Really?

    Needs to be 45 minutes total, unless he wants half the room to be asleep by the end.
  • Starmer loves big business...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    Here he comes, £15 per hour :smiley:

  • Jessica Elgot
    @jessicaelgot
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    11m
    It’s a close call but the speech might be more than 14,000 words at this rate

    Labour launches job creation programme for editors
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,480
    edited September 2021

    I think this is a very good speech - but what do I know

    I think, on a lot of it if not necessarily all, you're right. ;.)
  • Leon said:

    This is seriously trite now

    Totally forgettable. The only really memorable bit (to date) is his excellent put-down of the hecklers - ‘changing nations, not changing slogans’

    That’s what people will take-away. Might be rather good for Labour

    He is becoming boring because his speech is too long
    Like the Fabian essay I guess.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,725
    edited September 2021

    Apparently this speech is 7,286 words long

    It seems longer and I only tuned in 5 mins ago

    Get Boris on lets have some razzmatazz with our Tory policies
  • What is going to make an impact on Labour in the polls, is how this is reported.

    "The left vs Keir Starmer", he'll get a big increase in support, I think.
  • That 150/170 stat is shocking. I hope someone's checked it. (Actually, for the sake of the country, I hope it is wrong.)
  • Sandpit said:

    An hour in, and half way through. Really?

    Needs to be 45 minutes total, unless he wants half the room to be asleep by the end.

    And half of the them have whacking hangovers no doubt and need to get back to the strong coffee and the paracetamols.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842

    The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..

    Raging at the dying of the light. There were rumours they are planning to start yet another new socialist party. Let's hope they sod off and do just that.
    If I were Starmer, I would hope not.
    It won't take any voters with it, just like Change didn't from the other wing. Except maybe BJO.
    Hecklers have nodded off.
    Just woke up with "£15 an hour"

    Starmer's big plan for the youth is £15 an hour retooling a mill in Yorkshire ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,290
    All this technocratic stuff is worthy and fine but it belongs in the speech of the shadow Business minister, or the Shadow Science dude.

    This is far too long, oddly detailed (yet empty), waffly, meandering. Excellent early start getting badly muddied
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    That 150/170 stat is shocking. I hope someone's checked it. (Actually, for the sake of the country, I hope it is wrong.)

    For those not watching it, what was the stat?
  • I haven't seen anything in this speech which you can actually identify as 'left wing'.
  • Targetting a percentage of GDP at investment.

    Jeez not another percentage of GDP target. 🤦‍♂️

    Good investment should happen because good investment has been identified and its incentivised to do it/not disincentivised not to do it.

    Spending for the sake of spending's sake just to hit a number is a terrible, terrible idea.
  • Why is that guy recording it on his phone? Doesn't he know it will be on telly?
  • 3% of GDP on R&D.

    Actual policy alert.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,718
    edited September 2021

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer's speech generally good overall in terms of targeting swing voters, apart from that bit he just did where he attacked Boris for reintroducing Latin in state schools which was a bit philistine

    Perhaps. In the long term, both parties need to recognise that introducing or increasing modern work skills to the national curriculum will mean squeezing out old stuff whether that be Latin or oxbow lakes or the unification of Italy.
    I don't see why. Education should be precisely that, broad, at least until 14 certainly.

    After that and certainly after GCSEs comes the time more can specialise in modern work skills/vocational courses or more intellectual A levels as they wish
  • https://twitter.com/spectator/status/1443185078893490177

    Starmer will be delighted that this is being reported
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,290
    An hour in and he tells us

    ‘We have to build a strong economy’

    Ffs
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408

    Shouting slogans or changing lives?

    GREAT STUFF. The nutters are playing into his hands.

    That is a great line.

    Albeit delivered at a lectern with a slogan on it, but still great.
  • RobD said:

    That 150/170 stat is shocking. I hope someone's checked it. (Actually, for the sake of the country, I hope it is wrong.)

    For those not watching it, what was the stat?
    150th out of 170 countries in investment.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,725

    What is going to make an impact on Labour in the polls, is how this is reported.

    "The left vs Keir Starmer", he'll get a big increase in support, I think.

    Nothing to do with the fuel crisis then all down to this riveting performance
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    RobD said:

    That 150/170 stat is shocking. I hope someone's checked it. (Actually, for the sake of the country, I hope it is wrong.)

    For those not watching it, what was the stat?
    150th out of 170 countries in investment.
    Seems shockingly low.
  • What is going to make an impact on Labour in the polls, is how this is reported.

    "The left vs Keir Starmer", he'll get a big increase in support, I think.

    Nothing to do with the fuel crisis then all down to this riveting performance
    Crisis? What Crisis? 😉
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,290
    A fly, apparently driven crazy by boredom, just attacked him
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