I don't think anyone can say that Starmer is not an honest decent man.
But is he a good politician?
I say that he's not an honest decent man.
He stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Corbyn for years.
Johnson was in May's Cabinet before he stabbed her in the front, but that's different?
May was atrocious but she was no Corbyn.
Starmer stayed shoulder-to-should with Corbyn through the whole antisemitism drama and stuck with him to the bitter end. He stood on the platform of being in Corbyn's Cabinet and making Corbyn PM even after all the antisemitism stuff was public knowledge.
He put his career first. He's a careerist not principled and he has no honesty.
The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..
Raging at the dying of the light. There were rumours they are planning to start yet another new socialist party. Let's hope they sod off and do just that.
Yet another front that Labour is now facing is the threat to their dominance amongst ethnic minorities. This government is by far the most racially diverse we have ever had and it is not even close. The modern Conservative party has excellent role models for many ethnic minorities and has shown that there is no glass ceiling for them either.
There are some interesting numbers in this site re the number of seats held by the respective parties and the percentage of the population that is non white: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/ge2019-how-did-demographics-affect-the-result/ Other than 1 extreme outlier the Tories have traditionally done very badly in such seats. If that starts to change Labour are in deep trouble. And I think it will, especially with those of an Indian background. If Rishi replaces Boris those risks will be all the greater.
Especially since the Tories don't talk down to minorities like Labour can tend to do so.
The modern Tories are extremely comfortable with people of all races without needing to divide people against each other.
There are of course still some not so modern Tories but they are increasingly far away from the power centre of the party. Its a very good thing.
I think you are deluded. Mild racism and overt homophobia was rife in the Conservative Party among the more right wing of the activists when I was involved over 10 years ago. Those are the people that are still members and activists today. Most of the more liberally minded individuals have left. There is diversity in the upper echelons of the party and that is a good thing, but there is still plenty of prejudice, and while some wish to deny it the anti-EU rhetoric is essentially xenophobic in not all, but most.
Is there research less than a decade old on this?
Genuine question.
It would need to be very recent research as Conservative Party membership has trebled in the last couple of years.
Quite interested - do you have a source for Tory membership going down to 70k? I have seen speculative numbers but nothing more.
Currently it is around 200-220k, and I'd agree with "nearly doubled".
As to who they all are, I don't know.
The numbers that would really interest me are 1 - Age profile, and 2 - Has there been a tilt to the Midlands / North.
Since the Conservatives do not publish annual figures like the other parties, there can only be what you call speculation but are probably leaks from CCHQ. 60 or 70,000 was widely reported. Note that even now after the recent trebling of membership, they are really only back to where they were during the Labour years.
Anyway, the point is that the recent influx of new members (not entryists because that only happens to Labour!) means any research on party members' attitudes or beliefs is probably unreliable if more than 2 or 3 years old.
Exactly. I'm aware of that, and the Indy is not exactly a reliable source.
iirc the party's accounts showed a huge fall in income from membership fees, and a subsequent rise. You will notice in your link that party chair Brandon Lewis does not deny the 60 or 70,000 figures, he fudges over them and announces the rise.
The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..
Raging at the dying of the light. There were rumours they are planning to start yet another new socialist party. Let's hope they sod off and do just that.
The strategy I read about was prioritising rape and sexual crimes for things like forensic tests & results. Currently AIUI if the forensics for a break gets opened first then it treated first ahead of a rape forensics result.
Also boosting the size of the CPS sexual crimes division would help in the fast tracking.
Charging decisions is a huge bottle neck, not everyone is qualified/experience in this area.
I don't think anyone can say that Starmer is not an honest decent man.
But is he a good politician?
I say that he's not an honest decent man.
He stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Corbyn for years.
Johnson was in May's Cabinet before he stabbed her in the front, but that's different?
May was atrocious but she was no Corbyn.
Starmer stayed shoulder-to-should with Corbyn through the whole antisemitism drama and stuck with him to the bitter end. He stood on the platform of being in Corbyn's Cabinet and making Corbyn PM even after all the antisemitism stuff was public knowledge.
He put his career first. He's a careerist not principled and he has no honesty.
A few more votes in 2019 and SKS would be serving in a Corbyn government.
It's a Dornier Aurigny sold them earlier this year....
15 projects given a total of £700,000. Can’t see that going too far, when trying to do anything involving aeroplanes.
It needs something like the X Prize. A $10mn prize for a jumbo jet design that is purely electric...
Simply not feasible. Electric will be short/medium haul, and single aisle aircraft.
The big jets will need synthetic fuel manufactured using renewable electric, which is a decade off at least, but is entirely feasible given the cash being thrown at developing more efficient processes (and the early results from that).
Biomass gasification followed by Fischer Tropsch Synthesis gives you very good 'drop in' synthetic Jet-A1. Then you get to pretend that the CO2 coming out of the back end of the jet engines isn't really there.
The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..
Raging at the dying of the light. There were rumours they are planning to start yet another new socialist party. Let's hope they sod off and do just that.
And in the parallel universe where the Labour leadership had kicked them out, they would have been they heroic martyrs that they are clearly desperate to be seen as.
As it is, they've been given just enough rope to hang themselves... and that's what they've done. In just over a year.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 8m My main takeaway from this is Keir Starmer is a decent guy and his party is still a bit of a rabble.
He IS a decent guy and is intelligent and strategic. He is positioning as New Labour did but without the charisma. Blair was easy to like - much more so than Starmer, who comes over as being overly earnest, droning, chiding and somewhat flat, monotone and a little insincere yet overly sentimental (though I don't think he actually does lack sincerity).
He is totally focused on gaining power ahead of holding (or at least revealing) specific policy or an underpinning ideology. To get Red Wall voters back this is what he has to do.
If you can stomach the cynicism I still think he was Labour's best choice at the time.
I am/was a fan of Jacinda, but I'm increasingly concerned that she seems borderline delusional on Covid.
She is on record as saying that 90% of the NZ population must be fully vaccinated before the country opens up – which sounds sensible until you calculate that (almost?) zero nations have achieved that yet, despite being months ahead of NZ on their vaccine programmes.
The global evidence is that the law of diminishing returns bites hard – getting the last 15% vaccinated is tricky, because you run into a wall of apathy and/or antivaxxery.
Meanwhile, NZ has plummeted from 1st to 38th on the Bloomberg Covid Resilience Index, which is a quite remarkable fall from grace.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 8m My main takeaway from this is Keir Starmer is a decent guy and his party is still a bit of a rabble.
He IS a decent guy and is intelligent and strategic. He is positioning as New Labour did but without the charisma. Blair was easy to like - much more so than Starmer, who comes over as being overly earnest, droning, chiding and somewhat flat, monotone and a little insincere yet overly sentimental (though I don't think he actually does lack sincerity).
He is totally focused on gaining power ahead of holding (or at least revealing) specific policy or an underpinning ideology. To get Red Wall voters back this is what he has to do.
If you can stomach the cynicism I still think he was Labour's best choice at the time.
The difference is that New labour was united (mostly) and firing on all cyclinders with many people working together.
The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..
Raging at the dying of the light. There were rumours they are planning to start yet another new socialist party. Let's hope they sod off and do just that.
If I were Starmer, I would hope not.
It won't take any voters with it, just like Change didn't from the other wing. Except maybe BJO.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 8m My main takeaway from this is Keir Starmer is a decent guy and his party is still a bit of a rabble.
He IS a decent guy and is intelligent and strategic. He is positioning as New Labour did but without the charisma. Blair was easy to like - much more so than Starmer, who comes over as being overly earnest, droning, chiding and somewhat flat, monotone and a little insincere yet overly sentimental (though I don't think he actually does lack sincerity).
He is totally focused on gaining power ahead of holding (or at least revealing) specific policy or an underpinning ideology. To get Red Wall voters back this is what he has to do.
If you can stomach the cynicism I still think he was Labour's best choice at the time.
If he was so decent why was he prepared to stand with the far left and stand against those who were opposing antisemitism in 2019? Why did he put his career before saying that antisemitism is wrong?
If he'd have had the courage to stab Corbyn in the front then maybe he'd be decent. But then maybe he'd have not become Labour Leader and his career came first.
The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..
Raging at the dying of the light. There were rumours they are planning to start yet another new socialist party. Let's hope they sod off and do just that.
If I were Starmer, I would hope not.
It won't take any voters with it, just like Change didn't from the other wing. Except maybe BJO.
I don't agree with that. He's already lost around six points to the Greens, without equivalent gains on the centre-right, because not all those around him have updated their tactics. He should also look back to what old Harold was doing in 1965 and 1966, I think, too.
Starmer's speech generally good overall in terms of targeting swing voters, apart from that bit he just did where he attacked Boris for reintroducing Latin in state schools which was a bit philistine
The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..
Raging at the dying of the light. There were rumours they are planning to start yet another new socialist party. Let's hope they sod off and do just that.
If I were Starmer, I would hope not.
It won't take any voters with it, just like Change didn't from the other wing. Except maybe BJO.
Starmer's speech generally good overall in terms of targeting swing voters, apart from that bit he just did where he attacked Boris for reintroducing Latin in state schools which was a bit philistine
Starmer's speech generally good overall in terms of targeting swing voters, apart from that bit he just did where he attacked Boris for reintroducing Latin in state schools which was a bit philistine
Perhaps. In the long term, both parties need to recognise that introducing or increasing modern work skills to the national curriculum will mean squeezing out old stuff whether that be Latin or oxbow lakes or the unification of Italy.
The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..
Raging at the dying of the light. There were rumours they are planning to start yet another new socialist party. Let's hope they sod off and do just that.
If I were Starmer, I would hope not.
It won't take any voters with it, just like Change didn't from the other wing. Except maybe BJO.
The lefty cultists really are running out of steam with these heckles aren’t they..
Raging at the dying of the light. There were rumours they are planning to start yet another new socialist party. Let's hope they sod off and do just that.
If I were Starmer, I would hope not.
It won't take any voters with it, just like Change didn't from the other wing. Except maybe BJO.
Hecklers have nodded off.
Just woke up with "£15 an hour"
Starmer's big plan for the youth is £15 an hour retooling a mill in Yorkshire ?
Starmer's speech generally good overall in terms of targeting swing voters, apart from that bit he just did where he attacked Boris for reintroducing Latin in state schools which was a bit philistine
Perhaps. In the long term, both parties need to recognise that introducing or increasing modern work skills to the national curriculum will mean squeezing out old stuff whether that be Latin or oxbow lakes or the unification of Italy.
I don't see why. Education should be precisely that, broad, at least until 14 certainly.
After that and certainly after GCSEs comes the time more can specialise in modern work skills/vocational courses or more intellectual A levels as they wish
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He’s gone from rather good to notably dreary in 5 minutes
So why didn't they use the word in the back drop slogan?
About to have you thrown out of the party mate.
Yeah, mate, we’ve just had a fucking global plague
Starmer stayed shoulder-to-should with Corbyn through the whole antisemitism drama and stuck with him to the bitter end. He stood on the platform of being in Corbyn's Cabinet and making Corbyn PM even after all the antisemitism stuff was public knowledge.
He put his career first. He's a careerist not principled and he has no honesty.
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My main takeaway from this is Keir Starmer is a decent guy and his party is still a bit of a rabble.
Also boosting the size of the CPS sexual crimes division would help in the fast tracking.
Charging decisions is a huge bottle neck, not everyone is qualified/experience in this area.
Labour is two different parties isn't it...
Lol
Just look at these hecklers.
As it is, they've been given just enough rope to hang themselves... and that's what they've done. In just over a year.
Smart.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1443180885835231236
We remember Kinnock's speech from 1985. We won't remember this one for long.
He is totally focused on gaining power ahead of holding (or at least revealing) specific policy or an underpinning ideology. To get Red Wall voters back this is what he has to do.
If you can stomach the cynicism I still think he was Labour's best choice at the time.
Starmer feels like he's trying to herd cats.
If he'd have had the courage to stab Corbyn in the front then maybe he'd be decent. But then maybe he'd have not become Labour Leader and his career came first.
The 3 Rs FFS is that the plan
RRRD
This is pure our 'arold.
Totally forgettable. The only really memorable bit (to date) is his excellent put-down of the hecklers - ‘changing nations, not changing slogans’
That’s what people will take-away. Might be rather good for Labour
Has he said anything on Independent Schools, yet?
Some in the past I would have (and did). Tony Benn, Ken Clark and Alan Clark come to mind.
Are you actually there heckling by any chance?
Needs to be 45 minutes total, unless he wants half the room to be asleep by the end.
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It’s a close call but the speech might be more than 14,000 words at this rate
Labour launches job creation programme for editors
Get Boris on lets have some razzmatazz with our Tory policies
"The left vs Keir Starmer", he'll get a big increase in support, I think.
This is far too long, oddly detailed (yet empty), waffly, meandering. Excellent early start getting badly muddied
You're getting to hear a top lawyer speak for 90mins for FREE and you're complaining.
You lot don't know how lucky you are.
Jeez not another percentage of GDP target. 🤦♂️
Good investment should happen because good investment has been identified and its incentivised to do it/not disincentivised not to do it.
Spending for the sake of spending's sake just to hit a number is a terrible, terrible idea.
Actual policy alert.
After that and certainly after GCSEs comes the time more can specialise in modern work skills/vocational courses or more intellectual A levels as they wish
Starmer will be delighted that this is being reported
‘We have to build a strong economy’
Ffs
Albeit delivered at a lectern with a slogan on it, but still great.