Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
There's much worse than just requiring ID that is being done - but even requiring ID is a disgrace in a country where getting ID is a nightmare due to their notoriously incompetent and badly ran DMV - an institution so notoriously appalling that Marge's sisters in the Simpsons are the face of it. Getting ID is made very difficult.
As for HR1 it is long-overdue and much-required yes. I hope it gets through.
Packing the court is something I would completely support the Democrats doing after the way the GOP abused processes to pack the court themselves.
As for raising concerns about Trump being a stooge of Putin - that's an entirely legitimate concern. Just as Biden being an atrocious old fool is an entirely legitimate concern.
God Philip, you’re a bigger threat to democracy than I thought.
And do you realise how insulting it is to Black Americans to make the assumption that they are too thick to get ID?
Hell, you probably agreed with Biden when he said Blacks and Hispanics didn’t use computers
Not too thick, but its made deliberately difficult for them to get ID.
Its not like the UK where you can do it online or via the mail. In many states you need to go into the DMV which are notoriously difficult to deal with and tend not to be located in black neighbourhoods.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
Had we awoken on the morning after the election to Trump having taken the states he needed, what do you think he would have done in the subsequent 9 months that would have been more damaging to the cause of Western democracy than the last week?
Don’t get me wrong, the man’s a knobhead. But at least the foreign autocrats were wary of him.
Trump and the GOP spent 4 years undermining democratic norms and replacing professional people at institutions with those who would subvert the rule of law. I think he would have done more of that if he'd been in power the last 9 months - he'd already threatened to sack Fauci and replace him with a lackey and the GOP are trying to undermine democracy in voting reform bills in Texas etc
Foreign leaders are also wary of Putin, Xi and Jong-Un . . . doesn't mean I want a leader like that as President of the USA.
Having a leader that respects democracy and fights to win but accepts when they lose is a key part of democracy. I have no fear that if Biden loses the election that he won't relinquish control.
LOL. Pelosi, Clinton et al spent 4 years claiming Trump was an agent of the Russians and an illegitimate President but that’s not “undermining democracy”.
You’re smart in many ways Philip buy some times you truly are as thick as pig sh1t.
Have you read Ms Clinton's book? It's pitiful, self justifying and poorly written. But it starts off by saying "I lost".
There are lots of bad things by politicians on all sides of the political spectrum. And there are lots of good things. There are many things Trump did as President that I personally supported, even some - such as removing the tax shield on carried interest - that cost me financially.
But the single most important thing for any politician is to accept the decision of voters. If you look at every country that has gone from democracy to shithole in the last 100 years (and there's a surprisingly large number of them), the descent has always started with a single seed: a politician who refused to accept the decision of the voters.
That's really all that matters.
If Trump cannot say "I lost" and if he cannot say "I would accept the decision of the voters" then he is not a man who should elected to any democratic office.
Silly sods should have blocked him from future office while they could. As it is we are staring into the abyss of another 7 years or either Biden/Harris or 3 of them and 4 of Trump. Im not comforted by predictions that Trump will either be in a court room or a hospital by then. And I am not comforted either that the Democrat party will get their act together this time and choose a proper candidate.
I was in the audience for Any Questions tonight. I thought James Heappey (Tory MP, Armed Forces minister and ex-Major in the army) was very impressive. He seemed incredibly genuine whilst being quite direct in his answers, even saying that it was likely we would not get everyone out from Kabul. I hope he gets a promotion. Struck me as someone who could make a very good Prime Minister. Worth a listen.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
Who knows? He behaved as though it was true, which I'm sure was good enough for Putin.
You're very cocky about Biden's supposed failings, to the point of perhaps feigned incomprehension that anyone would still think he's better than Trump. For many of us, of course he's better. He's not a danger to democracy, an issue that completely dwarfs Afghanistan as a long-term concern for Americans.
I’d argue Nick you’re quite cocky that Biden is the better President even though the evidence so far is the opposite - inflation, failure in Afghanistan etc. You seem to take the view that, as a politician, you know best. Not sure that’s correct.
FWIW, I think Trump was an idiot and, as I said at the time, I was against what he was doing. But (1) I’d argue the Democrats are putting forwards some very anti democratic measures themselves (to reiterate - HR1, packing the Supreme Court etc) and (2) America is the leader of the Free World. What Biden has done has heightened the risk of serious conflict by showing America is weak
What's your issue with HR1? Besides the fact its an attempt to ensure people can vote and thus counteracts voter suppression.
Being able to vote is good, voter suppression is bad.
HR1 effectively imposes the Democrat point of view on the US. No ID needs, drop boxes for votes with no control, oversight etc. A dream scenario for fraud.
Funnily enough, when I asked on here whether people would be happy to see the types of proposals suggested in HR1 applied to U.K. elections, there was a resounding silence. Which suggests no.
Stop trying to pretend HR1 is all about expanding democracy. It’s not. It’s being portrayed with the same sort of fallacy about Georgia’s voting law when it was said “oooh, you can’t offer people in line water”. No, it was that political parties couldn’t offer water but electoral officials could. Plus it also extended voting hours.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
True but Xi, Putin, the Taliban etc were still uncertain about what Trump would do.
None of them fear Biden and Harris at all and they will do entirely what they want for the next 4 years.
The US urgently needs a non Trumpite Republican or non woke Democrat as President
The problem with Biden is not that he's woke.
The problem is that he's practically asleep and napping.
Yes and the very woke Harris therefore runs much of the show already anyway now
Harris is pretty useless: no charisma, etc.
But she is also a former prosecutor. And prosecutors are rarely known for being woke. Indeed, she was on the far right of the Democratic candidate list. So, I'm struggling with this idea that she's little Miss Woke.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
There's much worse than just requiring ID that is being done - but even requiring ID is a disgrace in a country where getting ID is a nightmare due to their notoriously incompetent and badly ran DMV - an institution so notoriously appalling that Marge's sisters in the Simpsons are the face of it. Getting ID is made very difficult.
As for HR1 it is long-overdue and much-required yes. I hope it gets through.
Packing the court is something I would completely support the Democrats doing after the way the GOP abused processes to pack the court themselves.
As for raising concerns about Trump being a stooge of Putin - that's an entirely legitimate concern. Just as Biden being an atrocious old fool is an entirely legitimate concern.
God Philip, you’re a bigger threat to democracy than I thought.
And do you realise how insulting it is to Black Americans to make the assumption that they are too thick to get ID?
Hell, you probably agreed with Biden when he said Blacks and Hispanics didn’t use computers
I see what you did there, with the non-sequitur segue from "less likely to have ID" to "too thick to get ID." Clever.
And I am more than ever convinced that nothing is closer to your heart than the interests of Black Americans. I'd stake my life on it.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
True but Xi, Putin, the Taliban etc were still uncertain about what Trump would do.
None of them fear Biden and Harris at all and they will do entirely what they want for the next 4 years.
The US urgently needs a non Trumpite Republican or non woke Democrat as President
The problem with Biden is not that he's woke.
The problem is that he's practically asleep and napping.
Yes and the very woke Harris therefore runs much of the show already anyway now
Harris is pretty useless: no charisma, etc.
But she is also a former prosecutor. And prosecutors are rarely known for being woke. Indeed, she was on the far right of the Democratic candidate list. So, I'm struggling with this idea that she's little Miss Woke.
Harris goes with the wind. So she will be woke because that’s what required
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
True but Xi, Putin, the Taliban etc were still uncertain about what Trump would do.
None of them fear Biden and Harris at all and they will do entirely what they want for the next 4 years.
The US urgently needs a non Trumpite Republican or non woke Democrat as President
The problem with Biden is not that he's woke.
The problem is that he's practically asleep and napping.
Yes and the very woke Harris therefore runs much of the show already anyway now
Harris is pretty useless: no charisma, etc.
But she is also a former prosecutor. And prosecutors are rarely known for being woke. Indeed, she was on the far right of the Democratic candidate list. So, I'm struggling with this idea that she's little Miss Woke.
Liatening to Biden, you would think the Taliban were simply a political party with some slightly unpleasant views who had just won an election and the US were having to do business with them, in the way everybody does with say the Polish government or Orban.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
It's also disingenuous to imply that Republicans aren't actively attempting to restrict the franchise for partisan advantage.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
Who knows? He behaved as though it was true, which I'm sure was good enough for Putin.
You're very cocky about Biden's supposed failings, to the point of perhaps feigned incomprehension that anyone would still think he's better than Trump. For many of us, of course he's better. He's not a danger to democracy, an issue that completely dwarfs Afghanistan as a long-term concern for Americans.
I’d argue Nick you’re quite cocky that Biden is the better President even though the evidence so far is the opposite - inflation, failure in Afghanistan etc. You seem to take the view that, as a politician, you know best. Not sure that’s correct.
FWIW, I think Trump was an idiot and, as I said at the time, I was against what he was doing. But (1) I’d argue the Democrats are putting forwards some very anti democratic measures themselves (to reiterate - HR1, packing the Supreme Court etc) and (2) America is the leader of the Free World. What Biden has done has heightened the risk of serious conflict by showing America is weak
The "the west has solved inflation and so we can borrow like crazy" strategy of the US is another incredibly dangerous position.
Is Trump followed by Biden the worst sequence of US presidents in US history?
My American history doesn't go back far enough to confidently talk about the 19th let alome 18th century, but in the 20th and 21st this seems the worst conjoined couplet of POTUSs ever
Quite bad timing, like England having Aethelred the Unready immediately followed by James II.... during the Cold War
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
God you're really making even more of a fool of yourself than usual. Do you really think people are convinced by this crap? Your dishonesty is just an insult to everyone's intelligence. People can easily look up for themselves how much more likely black Americans are than white Americans to have no ID.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
Had we awoken on the morning after the election to Trump having taken the states he needed, what do you think he would have done in the subsequent 9 months that would have been more damaging to the cause of Western democracy than the last week?
Don’t get me wrong, the man’s a knobhead. But at least the foreign autocrats were wary of him.
Trump and the GOP spent 4 years undermining democratic norms and replacing professional people at institutions with those who would subvert the rule of law. I think he would have done more of that if he'd been in power the last 9 months - he'd already threatened to sack Fauci and replace him with a lackey and the GOP are trying to undermine democracy in voting reform bills in Texas etc
Foreign leaders are also wary of Putin, Xi and Jong-Un . . . doesn't mean I want a leader like that as President of the USA.
Having a leader that respects democracy and fights to win but accepts when they lose is a key part of democracy. I have no fear that if Biden loses the election that he won't relinquish control.
LOL. Pelosi, Clinton et al spent 4 years claiming Trump was an agent of the Russians and an illegitimate President but that’s not “undermining democracy”.
You’re smart in many ways Philip buy some times you truly are as thick as pig sh1t.
Have you read Ms Clinton's book? It's pitiful, self justifying and poorly written. But it starts off by saying "I lost".
There are lots of bad things by politicians on all sides of the political spectrum. And there are lots of good things. There are many things Trump did as President that I personally supported, even some - such as removing the tax shield on carried interest - that cost me financially.
But the single most important thing for any politician is to accept the decision of voters. If you look at every country that has gone from democracy to shithole in the last 100 years (and there's a surprisingly large number of them), the descent has always started with a single seed: a politician who refused to accept the decision of the voters.
That's really all that matters.
If Trump cannot say "I lost" and if he cannot say "I would accept the decision of the voters" then he is not a man who should elected to any democratic office.
As I said, Trump should have said she lost.
However, as for Clinton, whatever she said in her book, her public message - all the way up to the 2020 election - was that Russia helped Trump to power. You can quote her book as much as you like but I’d argue she was being disingenuous - giving the fig leaf of saying she lost while all her public announcements and commentary made it clear she believed she had been cheated. Many other Democrats said the same:
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
True but Xi, Putin, the Taliban etc were still uncertain about what Trump would do.
None of them fear Biden and Harris at all and they will do entirely what they want for the next 4 years.
The US urgently needs a non Trumpite Republican or non woke Democrat as President
The problem with Biden is not that he's woke.
The problem is that he's practically asleep and napping.
Yes and the very woke Harris therefore runs much of the show already anyway now
Harris is pretty useless: no charisma, etc.
But she is also a former prosecutor. And prosecutors are rarely known for being woke. Indeed, she was on the far right of the Democratic candidate list. So, I'm struggling with this idea that she's little Miss Woke.
I’d trade charisma for competence right now
Problem is of course that lack of charisma does not guarantee competence, just as charisma does not prevent competence. We have to get lucky on that.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
God you're really making even more of a fool of yourself than usual. Do you really think people are convinced by this crap? Your dishonesty is just an insult to everyone's intelligence. People can easily look up for themselves how much more likely black Americans are than white Americans to have no ID.
Yawn Kamski, just go back to your usual “Biden is so great, he’s wonderful and compassionate” you have no interest in facts so it is pointless debating you.
I was in the audience for Any Questions tonight. I thought James Heappey (Tory MP, Armed Forces minister and ex-Major in the army) was very impressive. He seemed incredibly genuine whilst being quite direct in his answers, even saying that it was likely we would not get everyone out from Kabul. I hope he gets a promotion. Struck me as someone who could make a very good Prime Minister. Worth a listen.
Check his stats in your Panini Brexit Sticker Album. Remainer, man, fucking Remainer. Fails the Brexit gom jabbar test.
Just a tip: if you think the Tories are still obsessed by how their putative leaders voted in a referendum 5 years ago you've got it dead wrong.
Brexit is over now, done and finished.
The political battles of the future will be different ones with different battlelines.
I can understand why Tory Brexiters want to pretend that Brexit is done. They don't want to deal with the messy reality. It isn't though, it will smoulder for decades, and there is no sign of Remainers softening over it.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
Had we awoken on the morning after the election to Trump having taken the states he needed, what do you think he would have done in the subsequent 9 months that would have been more damaging to the cause of Western democracy than the last week?
Don’t get me wrong, the man’s a knobhead. But at least the foreign autocrats were wary of him.
Trump and the GOP spent 4 years undermining democratic norms and replacing professional people at institutions with those who would subvert the rule of law. I think he would have done more of that if he'd been in power the last 9 months - he'd already threatened to sack Fauci and replace him with a lackey and the GOP are trying to undermine democracy in voting reform bills in Texas etc
Foreign leaders are also wary of Putin, Xi and Jong-Un . . . doesn't mean I want a leader like that as President of the USA.
Having a leader that respects democracy and fights to win but accepts when they lose is a key part of democracy. I have no fear that if Biden loses the election that he won't relinquish control.
LOL. Pelosi, Clinton et al spent 4 years claiming Trump was an agent of the Russians and an illegitimate President but that’s not “undermining democracy”.
You’re smart in many ways Philip buy some times you truly are as thick as pig sh1t.
Have you read Ms Clinton's book? It's pitiful, self justifying and poorly written. But it starts off by saying "I lost".
There are lots of bad things by politicians on all sides of the political spectrum. And there are lots of good things. There are many things Trump did as President that I personally supported, even some - such as removing the tax shield on carried interest - that cost me financially.
But the single most important thing for any politician is to accept the decision of voters. If you look at every country that has gone from democracy to shithole in the last 100 years (and there's a surprisingly large number of them), the descent has always started with a single seed: a politician who refused to accept the decision of the voters.
That's really all that matters.
If Trump cannot say "I lost" and if he cannot say "I would accept the decision of the voters" then he is not a man who should elected to any democratic office.
As I said, Trump should have said she lost.
However, as for Clinton, whatever she said in her book, her public message - all the way up to the 2020 election - was that Russia helped Trump to power. You can quote her book as much as you like but I’d argue she was being disingenuous - giving the fig leaf of saying she lost while all her public announcements and commentary made it clear she believed she had been cheated. Many other Democrats said the same:
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
It's also disingenuous to imply that Republicans aren't actively attempting to restrict the franchise for partisan advantage.
Both parties do, I’d agree the Republicans are guilty. It’s the posters who claim the Democrats are saints who really get my ire.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
"too thick to get ID" is not the same as "tend not to have ID," you dickless minge monkey.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
Had we awoken on the morning after the election to Trump having taken the states he needed, what do you think he would have done in the subsequent 9 months that would have been more damaging to the cause of Western democracy than the last week?
Don’t get me wrong, the man’s a knobhead. But at least the foreign autocrats were wary of him.
Trump and the GOP spent 4 years undermining democratic norms and replacing professional people at institutions with those who would subvert the rule of law. I think he would have done more of that if he'd been in power the last 9 months - he'd already threatened to sack Fauci and replace him with a lackey and the GOP are trying to undermine democracy in voting reform bills in Texas etc
Foreign leaders are also wary of Putin, Xi and Jong-Un . . . doesn't mean I want a leader like that as President of the USA.
Having a leader that respects democracy and fights to win but accepts when they lose is a key part of democracy. I have no fear that if Biden loses the election that he won't relinquish control.
LOL. Pelosi, Clinton et al spent 4 years claiming Trump was an agent of the Russians and an illegitimate President but that’s not “undermining democracy”.
You’re smart in many ways Philip buy some times you truly are as thick as pig sh1t.
Have you read Ms Clinton's book? It's pitiful, self justifying and poorly written. But it starts off by saying "I lost".
There are lots of bad things by politicians on all sides of the political spectrum. And there are lots of good things. There are many things Trump did as President that I personally supported, even some - such as removing the tax shield on carried interest - that cost me financially.
But the single most important thing for any politician is to accept the decision of voters. If you look at every country that has gone from democracy to shithole in the last 100 years (and there's a surprisingly large number of them), the descent has always started with a single seed: a politician who refused to accept the decision of the voters.
That's really all that matters.
If Trump cannot say "I lost" and if he cannot say "I would accept the decision of the voters" then he is not a man who should elected to any democratic office.
As I said, Trump should have said she lost.
However, as for Clinton, whatever she said in her book, her public message - all the way up to the 2020 election - was that Russia helped Trump to power. You can quote her book as much as you like but I’d argue she was being disingenuous - giving the fig leaf of saying she lost while all her public announcements and commentary made it clear she believed she had been cheated. Many other Democrats said the same:
Nauseating dishonesty. Nobody honest thinks the difference between saying "I lost" and "I won" is a figleaf.
God @kamski you really are making yourself an idiot. You have clear quotes showing the Democrats didn’t accept Trump was elected legitimately and you still claim the Democrats are all sweetness and light .
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
God you're really making even more of a fool of yourself than usual. Do you really think people are convinced by this crap? Your dishonesty is just an insult to everyone's intelligence. People can easily look up for themselves how much more likely black Americans are than white Americans to have no ID.
Yawn Kamski, just go back to your usual “Biden is so great, he’s wonderful and compassionate” you have no interest in facts so it is pointless debating you.
More dishonesty from easily the most dishonest poster on here. Or can you point me to where I have said that? Of course not because you are just a liar. Have you looked up what proportion of black americans and white americans don't have ID? Of course not because you already knew the answer you liar.
Another thing that struck me with Biden this evening, again it was all "America only" again. It is basically convention that the US president name checks partners working on these missions, and yet it was all only America can do this....not America and its long standing partners such as UK and France.
I was in the audience for Any Questions tonight. I thought James Heappey (Tory MP, Armed Forces minister and ex-Major in the army) was very impressive. He seemed incredibly genuine whilst being quite direct in his answers, even saying that it was likely we would not get everyone out from Kabul. I hope he gets a promotion. Struck me as someone who could make a very good Prime Minister. Worth a listen.
Check his stats in your Panini Brexit Sticker Album. Remainer, man, fucking Remainer. Fails the Brexit gom jabbar test.
Just a tip: if you think the Tories are still obsessed by how their putative leaders voted in a referendum 5 years ago you've got it dead wrong.
Brexit is over now, done and finished.
The political battles of the future will be different ones with different battlelines.
I can understand why Tory Brexiters want to pretend that Brexit is done. They don't want to deal with the messy reality. It isn't though, it will smoulder for decades, and there is no sign of Remainers softening over it.
Remoaners is the term preferred by totally chilled out Tory Brexiteers who are so over Brexit they can barely remember what all the fuss was about.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
"too thick to get ID" is not the same as "tend not to have ID," you dickless minge monkey.
Nice to see you as soon as charming as ever @Ishmael_Z
How far down your throat have you managed to suck Biden’s c*ck?
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
Had we awoken on the morning after the election to Trump having taken the states he needed, what do you think he would have done in the subsequent 9 months that would have been more damaging to the cause of Western democracy than the last week?
Don’t get me wrong, the man’s a knobhead. But at least the foreign autocrats were wary of him.
Trump and the GOP spent 4 years undermining democratic norms and replacing professional people at institutions with those who would subvert the rule of law. I think he would have done more of that if he'd been in power the last 9 months - he'd already threatened to sack Fauci and replace him with a lackey and the GOP are trying to undermine democracy in voting reform bills in Texas etc
Foreign leaders are also wary of Putin, Xi and Jong-Un . . . doesn't mean I want a leader like that as President of the USA.
Having a leader that respects democracy and fights to win but accepts when they lose is a key part of democracy. I have no fear that if Biden loses the election that he won't relinquish control.
LOL. Pelosi, Clinton et al spent 4 years claiming Trump was an agent of the Russians and an illegitimate President but that’s not “undermining democracy”.
You’re smart in many ways Philip buy some times you truly are as thick as pig sh1t.
Have you read Ms Clinton's book? It's pitiful, self justifying and poorly written. But it starts off by saying "I lost".
There are lots of bad things by politicians on all sides of the political spectrum. And there are lots of good things. There are many things Trump did as President that I personally supported, even some - such as removing the tax shield on carried interest - that cost me financially.
But the single most important thing for any politician is to accept the decision of voters. If you look at every country that has gone from democracy to shithole in the last 100 years (and there's a surprisingly large number of them), the descent has always started with a single seed: a politician who refused to accept the decision of the voters.
That's really all that matters.
If Trump cannot say "I lost" and if he cannot say "I would accept the decision of the voters" then he is not a man who should elected to any democratic office.
As I said, Trump should have said she lost.
However, as for Clinton, whatever she said in her book, her public message - all the way up to the 2020 election - was that Russia helped Trump to power. You can quote her book as much as you like but I’d argue she was being disingenuous - giving the fig leaf of saying she lost while all her public announcements and commentary made it clear she believed she had been cheated. Many other Democrats said the same:
Nauseating dishonesty. Nobody honest thinks the difference between saying "I lost" and "I won" is a figleaf.
God @kamski you really are making yourself an idiot. You have clear quotes showing the Democrats didn’t accept Trump was elected legitimately and you still claim the Democrats are all sweetness and light .
Is it even possible for you make a single post without lying? You are like Trump in that way.
Another thing that struck me with Biden this evening, again it was all "America only" again. It is basically convention that the US president name checks partners working on these missions, and yet it was all only America can do this....not America and its long standing partners such as UK and France.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
God you're really making even more of a fool of yourself than usual. Do you really think people are convinced by this crap? Your dishonesty is just an insult to everyone's intelligence. People can easily look up for themselves how much more likely black Americans are than white Americans to have no ID.
Yawn Kamski, just go back to your usual “Biden is so great, he’s wonderful and compassionate” you have no interest in facts so it is pointless debating you.
More dishonesty from easily the most dishonest poster on here. Or can you point me to where I have said that? Of course not because you are just a liar. Have you looked up what proportion of black americans and white americans don't have ID? Of course not because you already knew the answer you liar.
Do you have any facts to back that up @kamski or just another rant?
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
"too thick to get ID" is not the same as "tend not to have ID," you dickless minge monkey.
Nice to see you as soon as charming as ever @Ishmael_Z
How far down your throat have you managed to suck Biden’s c*ck?
well you did call him a racist you liar, so what do you expect
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
Had we awoken on the morning after the election to Trump having taken the states he needed, what do you think he would have done in the subsequent 9 months that would have been more damaging to the cause of Western democracy than the last week?
Don’t get me wrong, the man’s a knobhead. But at least the foreign autocrats were wary of him.
Trump and the GOP spent 4 years undermining democratic norms and replacing professional people at institutions with those who would subvert the rule of law. I think he would have done more of that if he'd been in power the last 9 months - he'd already threatened to sack Fauci and replace him with a lackey and the GOP are trying to undermine democracy in voting reform bills in Texas etc
Foreign leaders are also wary of Putin, Xi and Jong-Un . . . doesn't mean I want a leader like that as President of the USA.
Having a leader that respects democracy and fights to win but accepts when they lose is a key part of democracy. I have no fear that if Biden loses the election that he won't relinquish control.
LOL. Pelosi, Clinton et al spent 4 years claiming Trump was an agent of the Russians and an illegitimate President but that’s not “undermining democracy”.
You’re smart in many ways Philip buy some times you truly are as thick as pig sh1t.
No its not. Trump being too close to the Russians was a problem and pointing that out isn't undermining democracy any more than pointing out that Corbyn was too close to antisemites and the IRA undermined democracy.
Jesus. Do you really believe the Russians controlled Trump? Do you think the US intelligence services would have allowed Trump to be US President if that were so?
I don't think the Russians controlled Trump.
I do think the Russians could manipulate Trump. I do think the Russians helped Trump win in 2016. I do think the Russians wanted Trump in charge.
Very much like Corbyn for all of those. As Cyclefree, myself and others have pointed out there are remarkable similarities between Corbyn and Trump.
Boris is far more the British Trump than Corbyn ever was. Educated, charismatic, widely known through television, atypical of their nominal parties, highly sexed, placing a high value on personal fealty, and with a casual disregard for the truth.
Another thing that struck me with Biden this evening, again it was all "America only" again. It is basically convention that the US president name checks partners working on these missions, and yet it was all only America can do this....not America and its long standing partners such as UK and France.
Yes, all the talk about “America’s back” is just waffle. Biden has shafted his allies and couldn’t give a f*ck. At least Trump didn’t pretend
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
"too thick to get ID" is not the same as "tend not to have ID," you dickless minge monkey.
Nice to see you as soon as charming as ever @Ishmael_Z
How far down your throat have you managed to suck Biden’s c*ck?
well you did call him a racist you liar, so what do you expect
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
"too thick to get ID" is not the same as "tend not to have ID," you dickless minge monkey.
Nice to see you as soon as charming as ever @Ishmael_Z
How far down your throat have you managed to suck Biden’s c*ck?
Good! You are beginning to show a grasp of what is "insulting" and what isn't. Which was exactly my point.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
Had we awoken on the morning after the election to Trump having taken the states he needed, what do you think he would have done in the subsequent 9 months that would have been more damaging to the cause of Western democracy than the last week?
Don’t get me wrong, the man’s a knobhead. But at least the foreign autocrats were wary of him.
Trump and the GOP spent 4 years undermining democratic norms and replacing professional people at institutions with those who would subvert the rule of law. I think he would have done more of that if he'd been in power the last 9 months - he'd already threatened to sack Fauci and replace him with a lackey and the GOP are trying to undermine democracy in voting reform bills in Texas etc
Foreign leaders are also wary of Putin, Xi and Jong-Un . . . doesn't mean I want a leader like that as President of the USA.
Having a leader that respects democracy and fights to win but accepts when they lose is a key part of democracy. I have no fear that if Biden loses the election that he won't relinquish control.
LOL. Pelosi, Clinton et al spent 4 years claiming Trump was an agent of the Russians and an illegitimate President but that’s not “undermining democracy”.
You’re smart in many ways Philip buy some times you truly are as thick as pig sh1t.
No its not. Trump being too close to the Russians was a problem and pointing that out isn't undermining democracy any more than pointing out that Corbyn was too close to antisemites and the IRA undermined democracy.
Jesus. Do you really believe the Russians controlled Trump? Do you think the US intelligence services would have allowed Trump to be US President if that were so?
I don't think the Russians controlled Trump.
I do think the Russians could manipulate Trump. I do think the Russians helped Trump win in 2016. I do think the Russians wanted Trump in charge.
Very much like Corbyn for all of those. As Cyclefree, myself and others have pointed out there are remarkable similarities between Corbyn and Trump.
Boris is far more the British Trump than Corbyn ever was. Educated, charismatic, widely known through television, atypical of their nominal parties, highly sexed, placing a high value on personal fealty, and with a casual disregard for the truth.
Biden being incompetent and out of his depth doesn’t make Trump any less dangerous to humanity.
Both can be dangerous to humanity, as they are/were leaders of the Free World
Biden is doing it by sheer, grotesque, senescent incompetence, Trump by being a lunatic who contemplated a coup
Of the two I'd have Trump as obviously the most dangerous, but Biden is really really doing his best to make it a decent contest. If the Afghan debacle turns into a new Al Qaeda/ISIS situation, then it might become properly debatable
Very cheesy film but worth it for the Sean Connery cameo, and the Queen soundtrack - which is superb.
Did they ever write a bad song?
Yes.
Every great songwriter has written lots of poor material.
Dylan?
Dylan is a tricky one. I am so addicted to Blood on the Tracks that I’ve a very sketchy understanding of the rest of his career, especially the post 70s stuff.
I can’t point out a bad song, but surely there must be one or two.
My favourite album (not just Dylan album) of all time. I have to admit I kind of lose track of what he did after that.
In that case I am the bearer of good news. Spotify has the bootleg version of Blood on the Tracks, or at least a bootleg version. I think it is based on the New York City recording sessions. The official album is 50/50 NYC recordings and Minneapolis recordings.
Search for More Blood, More Tracks.
Such a pleasure to discover “new” versions of songs I fell in love with over 30 years ago.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
"too thick to get ID" is not the same as "tend not to have ID," you dickless minge monkey.
Nice to see you as soon as charming as ever @Ishmael_Z
How far down your throat have you managed to suck Biden’s c*ck?
Good! You are beginning to show a grasp of what is "insulting" and what isn't. Which was exactly my point.
Sorry, what was your point? I made a point, you made a personal insult.
What would Biden’s reaction be if the Taliban end up holding a few thousand Western hostages and very publicly ask for a multi billion dollar ransom? What if they undertake a “YouTube” execution every day for the rest of his presidency? Quite a lot rests on the next 72 hours.
Biden being incompetent and out of his depth doesn’t make Trump any less dangerous to humanity.
Both can be dangerous to humanity, as they are/were leaders of the Free World
Biden is doing it by sheer, grotesque, senescent incompetence, Trump by being a lunatic who contemplated a coup
Of the two I'd have Trump as obviously the most dangerous, but Biden is really really doing his best to make it a decent contest. If the Afghan debacle turns into a new Al Qaeda/ISIS situation, then it might become properly debatable
The difference is the rest of the world knew Trump was wildly unpredictable and so treated everything he did and said through that lens. Buyer beware doing anything with him or rely on him for anything, as he might change his mind tomorrow because he saw some report on Fox news.
Biden was supposed to be the return of the grown-ups and professionals, that could be trusted and relied upon. I imagine many countries have got quite a shock over the past week or two. And rather pissed off with Only America attitude.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
Had we awoken on the morning after the election to Trump having taken the states he needed, what do you think he would have done in the subsequent 9 months that would have been more damaging to the cause of Western democracy than the last week?
Don’t get me wrong, the man’s a knobhead. But at least the foreign autocrats were wary of him.
Trump and the GOP spent 4 years undermining democratic norms and replacing professional people at institutions with those who would subvert the rule of law. I think he would have done more of that if he'd been in power the last 9 months - he'd already threatened to sack Fauci and replace him with a lackey and the GOP are trying to undermine democracy in voting reform bills in Texas etc
Foreign leaders are also wary of Putin, Xi and Jong-Un . . . doesn't mean I want a leader like that as President of the USA.
Having a leader that respects democracy and fights to win but accepts when they lose is a key part of democracy. I have no fear that if Biden loses the election that he won't relinquish control.
LOL. Pelosi, Clinton et al spent 4 years claiming Trump was an agent of the Russians and an illegitimate President but that’s not “undermining democracy”.
You’re smart in many ways Philip buy some times you truly are as thick as pig sh1t.
Have you read Ms Clinton's book? It's pitiful, self justifying and poorly written. But it starts off by saying "I lost".
There are lots of bad things by politicians on all sides of the political spectrum. And there are lots of good things. There are many things Trump did as President that I personally supported, even some - such as removing the tax shield on carried interest - that cost me financially.
But the single most important thing for any politician is to accept the decision of voters. If you look at every country that has gone from democracy to shithole in the last 100 years (and there's a surprisingly large number of them), the descent has always started with a single seed: a politician who refused to accept the decision of the voters.
That's really all that matters.
If Trump cannot say "I lost" and if he cannot say "I would accept the decision of the voters" then he is not a man who should elected to any democratic office.
As I said, Trump should have said she lost.
However, as for Clinton, whatever she said in her book, her public message - all the way up to the 2020 election - was that Russia helped Trump to power. You can quote her book as much as you like but I’d argue she was being disingenuous - giving the fig leaf of saying she lost while all her public announcements and commentary made it clear she believed she had been cheated. Many other Democrats said the same:
Another thing that struck me with Biden this evening, again it was all "America only" again. It is basically convention that the US president name checks partners working on these missions, and yet it was all only America can do this....not America and its long standing partners such as UK and France.
Yes, all the talk about “America’s back” is just waffle. Biden has shafted his allies and couldn’t give a f*ck. At least Trump didn’t pretend
"didn't pretend" to care about his allies' interests, and that's a positive?
You really are embarrassing yourself here. There are no Biden fans.
What would Biden’s reaction be if the Taliban end up holding a few thousand Western hostages and very publicly ask for a multi billion dollar ransom? What if they undertake a “YouTube” execution every day for the rest of his presidency? Quite a lot rests on the next 72 hours.
In those circumstances would he not send in Navy SEALs or something? Surely he and the US public would view that as a totally different situation to the prior/general Afghan engagement.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
Had we awoken on the morning after the election to Trump having taken the states he needed, what do you think he would have done in the subsequent 9 months that would have been more damaging to the cause of Western democracy than the last week?
Don’t get me wrong, the man’s a knobhead. But at least the foreign autocrats were wary of him.
Trump and the GOP spent 4 years undermining democratic norms and replacing professional people at institutions with those who would subvert the rule of law. I think he would have done more of that if he'd been in power the last 9 months - he'd already threatened to sack Fauci and replace him with a lackey and the GOP are trying to undermine democracy in voting reform bills in Texas etc
Foreign leaders are also wary of Putin, Xi and Jong-Un . . . doesn't mean I want a leader like that as President of the USA.
Having a leader that respects democracy and fights to win but accepts when they lose is a key part of democracy. I have no fear that if Biden loses the election that he won't relinquish control.
LOL. Pelosi, Clinton et al spent 4 years claiming Trump was an agent of the Russians and an illegitimate President but that’s not “undermining democracy”.
You’re smart in many ways Philip buy some times you truly are as thick as pig sh1t.
No its not. Trump being too close to the Russians was a problem and pointing that out isn't undermining democracy any more than pointing out that Corbyn was too close to antisemites and the IRA undermined democracy.
Jesus. Do you really believe the Russians controlled Trump? Do you think the US intelligence services would have allowed Trump to be US President if that were so?
I don't think the Russians controlled Trump.
I do think the Russians could manipulate Trump. I do think the Russians helped Trump win in 2016. I do think the Russians wanted Trump in charge.
Very much like Corbyn for all of those. As Cyclefree, myself and others have pointed out there are remarkable similarities between Corbyn and Trump.
Boris is far more the British Trump than Corbyn ever was. Educated, charismatic, widely known through television, atypical of their nominal parties, highly sexed, placing a high value on personal fealty, and with a casual disregard for the truth.
Those are by far Trump's least malign characteristics. That's like saying Hitler's a vegetarian, this person's a vegetarian, so they're the same.
When you look at Trump's malign characteristics, he shares them very much with Corbyn.
Very cheesy film but worth it for the Sean Connery cameo, and the Queen soundtrack - which is superb.
Did they ever write a bad song?
Yes.
Every great songwriter has written lots of poor material.
Dylan?
Dylan is a tricky one. I am so addicted to Blood on the Tracks that I’ve a very sketchy understanding of the rest of his career, especially the post 70s stuff.
I can’t point out a bad song, but surely there must be one or two.
My favourite album (not just Dylan album) of all time. I have to admit I kind of lose track of what he did after that.
In that case I am the bearer of good news. Spotify has the bootleg version of Blood on the Tracks, or at least a bootleg version. I think it is based on the New York City recording sessions. The official album is 50/50 NYC recordings and Minneapolis recordings.
Search for More Blood, More Tracks.
Such a pleasure to discover “new” versions of songs I fell in love with over 30 years ago.
Will look. I know there's a few very different versions of Tangled Up In Blue out there.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
Had we awoken on the morning after the election to Trump having taken the states he needed, what do you think he would have done in the subsequent 9 months that would have been more damaging to the cause of Western democracy than the last week?
Don’t get me wrong, the man’s a knobhead. But at least the foreign autocrats were wary of him.
Trump and the GOP spent 4 years undermining democratic norms and replacing professional people at institutions with those who would subvert the rule of law. I think he would have done more of that if he'd been in power the last 9 months - he'd already threatened to sack Fauci and replace him with a lackey and the GOP are trying to undermine democracy in voting reform bills in Texas etc
Foreign leaders are also wary of Putin, Xi and Jong-Un . . . doesn't mean I want a leader like that as President of the USA.
Having a leader that respects democracy and fights to win but accepts when they lose is a key part of democracy. I have no fear that if Biden loses the election that he won't relinquish control.
LOL. Pelosi, Clinton et al spent 4 years claiming Trump was an agent of the Russians and an illegitimate President but that’s not “undermining democracy”.
You’re smart in many ways Philip buy some times you truly are as thick as pig sh1t.
Have you read Ms Clinton's book? It's pitiful, self justifying and poorly written. But it starts off by saying "I lost".
There are lots of bad things by politicians on all sides of the political spectrum. And there are lots of good things. There are many things Trump did as President that I personally supported, even some - such as removing the tax shield on carried interest - that cost me financially.
But the single most important thing for any politician is to accept the decision of voters. If you look at every country that has gone from democracy to shithole in the last 100 years (and there's a surprisingly large number of them), the descent has always started with a single seed: a politician who refused to accept the decision of the voters.
That's really all that matters.
If Trump cannot say "I lost" and if he cannot say "I would accept the decision of the voters" then he is not a man who should elected to any democratic office.
As I said, Trump should have said she lost.
However, as for Clinton, whatever she said in her book, her public message - all the way up to the 2020 election - was that Russia helped Trump to power. You can quote her book as much as you like but I’d argue she was being disingenuous - giving the fig leaf of saying she lost while all her public announcements and commentary made it clear she believed she had been cheated. Many other Democrats said the same:
So should that not be mentioned? Should Russia be allowed to meddle with our elections with impunity and it can't even be brought up?
If it’s true, it should be mentioned.
The question is how far it is true. The whole Christopher Steele evidence has been discredited completely. He was paid by the Clinton campaign, he was vehemently anti Trump and Steele admitted he couldn’t verify the claims.
Ask yourself. You are Russia, you want to undermine the US. How better than to allow some biased researcher to hear what he wanted to believe ?
What would Biden’s reaction be if the Taliban end up holding a few thousand Western hostages and very publicly ask for a multi billion dollar ransom? What if they undertake a “YouTube” execution every day for the rest of his presidency? Quite a lot rests on the next 72 hours.
In those circumstances would he not send in Navy SEALs or something? Surely he and the US public would view that as a totally different situation to the prior/general Afghan engagement.
Presumably they’d be spread around the country and successful extraction would be nigh on impossible.
What would Biden’s reaction be if the Taliban end up holding a few thousand Western hostages and very publicly ask for a multi billion dollar ransom? What if they undertake a “YouTube” execution every day for the rest of his presidency? Quite a lot rests on the next 72 hours.
In those circumstances would he not send in Navy SEALs or something? Surely he and the US public would view that as a totally different situation to the prior/general Afghan engagement.
Easier said than done. We know what an inhospitable and difficult to traverse place much of Afghanistan is. It took ages to finally get the lot in Syria that were loping heads off on camera.
I knew him personally quite well - an intelligent, courageous man. Unlike me, he refused to speak to audiences segregated by gender (though he said it was easier for him to insist as a fellow-Muslim).
Intelligent and courageous my arse. Almost as bent as his colleague in Kelvin.
What would Biden’s reaction be if the Taliban end up holding a few thousand Western hostages and very publicly ask for a multi billion dollar ransom? What if they undertake a “YouTube” execution every day for the rest of his presidency? Quite a lot rests on the next 72 hours.
I'll be happily surprised if the Taliban don't hold on to a few hundred, or even a few thousand, western hostages - pleading "instability". It would give them near-infinite leverage, like Iran over Carter but an order of magnitude bigger
How does it benefit them to let everyone go? Then they are once more open to attack. If they have loads of westerners imprisoned around Kabul - or the country - drones and bombs are much trickier to use
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
Had we awoken on the morning after the election to Trump having taken the states he needed, what do you think he would have done in the subsequent 9 months that would have been more damaging to the cause of Western democracy than the last week?
Don’t get me wrong, the man’s a knobhead. But at least the foreign autocrats were wary of him.
Trump and the GOP spent 4 years undermining democratic norms and replacing professional people at institutions with those who would subvert the rule of law. I think he would have done more of that if he'd been in power the last 9 months - he'd already threatened to sack Fauci and replace him with a lackey and the GOP are trying to undermine democracy in voting reform bills in Texas etc
Foreign leaders are also wary of Putin, Xi and Jong-Un . . . doesn't mean I want a leader like that as President of the USA.
Having a leader that respects democracy and fights to win but accepts when they lose is a key part of democracy. I have no fear that if Biden loses the election that he won't relinquish control.
LOL. Pelosi, Clinton et al spent 4 years claiming Trump was an agent of the Russians and an illegitimate President but that’s not “undermining democracy”.
You’re smart in many ways Philip buy some times you truly are as thick as pig sh1t.
Have you read Ms Clinton's book? It's pitiful, self justifying and poorly written. But it starts off by saying "I lost".
There are lots of bad things by politicians on all sides of the political spectrum. And there are lots of good things. There are many things Trump did as President that I personally supported, even some - such as removing the tax shield on carried interest - that cost me financially.
But the single most important thing for any politician is to accept the decision of voters. If you look at every country that has gone from democracy to shithole in the last 100 years (and there's a surprisingly large number of them), the descent has always started with a single seed: a politician who refused to accept the decision of the voters.
That's really all that matters.
If Trump cannot say "I lost" and if he cannot say "I would accept the decision of the voters" then he is not a man who should elected to any democratic office.
As I said, Trump should have said she lost.
However, as for Clinton, whatever she said in her book, her public message - all the way up to the 2020 election - was that Russia helped Trump to power. You can quote her book as much as you like but I’d argue she was being disingenuous - giving the fig leaf of saying she lost while all her public announcements and commentary made it clear she believed she had been cheated. Many other Democrats said the same:
So should that not be mentioned? Should Russia be allowed to meddle with our elections with impunity and it can't even be brought up?
If it’s true, it should be mentioned.
The question is how far it is true. The whole Christopher Steele evidence has been discredited completely. He was paid by the Clinton campaign, he was vehemently anti Trump and Steele admitted he couldn’t verify the claims.
Ask yourself. You are Russia, you want to undermine the US. How better than to allow some biased researcher to hear what he wanted to believe ?
You do realise the evidence went well beyond Steele.
Despite the fact that Trump was putting his thumb on the scales of justice, many people went to jail because of colluding with Russian interference or covering it up etc
Biden being incompetent and out of his depth doesn’t make Trump any less dangerous to humanity.
Both can be dangerous to humanity, as they are/were leaders of the Free World
Biden is doing it by sheer, grotesque, senescent incompetence, Trump by being a lunatic who contemplated a coup
Of the two I'd have Trump as obviously the most dangerous, but Biden is really really doing his best to make it a decent contest. If the Afghan debacle turns into a new Al Qaeda/ISIS situation, then it might become properly debatable
The difference is the rest of the world knew Trump was wildly unpredictable and so treated everything he did and said through that lens. Buyer beware doing anything with him or rely on him for anything, as he might change his mind tomorrow because he saw some report on Fox news.
Biden was supposed to be the return of the grown-ups and professionals, that could be trusted and relied upon. I imagine many countries have got quite a shock over the past week or two. And rather pissed off with Only America attitude.
Until about 6 days huge numbers of people seemed to think Biden was fantastic, simply because he wasn't Trump. In a way, it was a strange form of "my enemy's enemy is my friend" type logic.
Another thing that struck me with Biden this evening, again it was all "America only" again. It is basically convention that the US president name checks partners working on these missions, and yet it was all only America can do this....not America and its long standing partners such as UK and France.
Yes, all the talk about “America’s back” is just waffle. Biden has shafted his allies and couldn’t give a f*ck. At least Trump didn’t pretend
"didn't pretend" to care about his allies' interests, and that's a positive?
You really are embarrassing yourself here. There are no Biden fans.
Another thing that struck me with Biden this evening, again it was all "America only" again. It is basically convention that the US president name checks partners working on these missions, and yet it was all only America can do this....not America and its long standing partners such as UK and France.
Yes, all the talk about “America’s back” is just waffle. Biden has shafted his allies and couldn’t give a f*ck. At least Trump didn’t pretend
"didn't pretend" to care about his allies' interests, and that's a positive?
You really are embarrassing yourself here. There are no Biden fans.
Mate, you are the one resorting to personal insults. Look in the mirror.
Jim Callaghan - the classic "in office but not in power" PM, at any rate before John Major and TM.
Still at least he paved the way for Margaret Thatcher. Although I still remember the candles my parents kept for several years afterwards in case the Winter of Discontent was repeated.
I do not recall candles being needed during the Winter of Discontent - the miners, electricity power workers etc were not involved in the industrial chaos which then engulfed the country. Power cuts and the associated need for candles belonged to the 3-Day Week of the 1973/74 Winter - and before that the first Miners Strike in early 1972.In the Winter of 1970/71 there had also been power cuts when Frank Chappell's power workers took industrial action. All of that happened under Ted Heath's Government - not Callaghan.
Candles. I still recall the smell of burnt hair if you leant too close.
Power cuts were always caused by Labour and the Unions. Trash on the streets was always caused by Labour and the Unions. Nothing good has ever come from Labour and the Unions.
I have voted Tory for most of my adult life, but to state "Nothing good has ever come from Labour and the Unions" suggests you are either so far right you should be wearing jackboots, or you are ignorant of history or perhaps both.
You may have a small point
And so what I should have said is 'since 1918'.
I'm depressed to think that you regard anyone that disagrees with you as wearing jackboots. That suggests to me that you're biased in all sorts of bad ways. However I am most certainly ignorant as to much of history. You will be too.
I do not know of a single good thing that Labour or the Unions have done since 1918.
Biden being incompetent and out of his depth doesn’t make Trump any less dangerous to humanity.
Both can be dangerous to humanity, as they are/were leaders of the Free World
Biden is doing it by sheer, grotesque, senescent incompetence, Trump by being a lunatic who contemplated a coup
Of the two I'd have Trump as obviously the most dangerous, but Biden is really really doing his best to make it a decent contest. If the Afghan debacle turns into a new Al Qaeda/ISIS situation, then it might become properly debatable
The difference is the rest of the world knew Trump was wildly unpredictable and so treated everything he did and said through that lens. Buyer beware doing anything with him or rely on him for anything, as he might change his mind tomorrow because he saw some report on Fox news.
Biden was supposed to be the return of the grown-ups and professionals, that could be trusted and relied upon. I imagine many countries have got quite a shock over the past week or two. And rather pissed off with Only America attitude.
Until about 6 days huge numbers of people seemed to think Biden was fantastic, simply because he wasn't Trump. In a way, it was a strange form of "my enemy's enemy is my friend" type logic.
I was definitely of the opinion that although I don't think he is up to much, it was the return of the vaguely component swamp dwellers to control the levers of power....then I heard one of his chief economic advisers talking about how the west had solved inflation, we could borrow massively and worry about the bill in 15 years....and i started to get a bit concerned.
Another thing that struck me with Biden this evening, again it was all "America only" again. It is basically convention that the US president name checks partners working on these missions, and yet it was all only America can do this....not America and its long standing partners such as UK and France.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
God you're really making even more of a fool of yourself than usual. Do you really think people are convinced by this crap? Your dishonesty is just an insult to everyone's intelligence. People can easily look up for themselves how much more likely black Americans are than white Americans to have no ID.
Yawn Kamski, just go back to your usual “Biden is so great, he’s wonderful and compassionate” you have no interest in facts so it is pointless debating you.
More dishonesty from easily the most dishonest poster on here. Or can you point me to where I have said that? Of course not because you are just a liar. Have you looked up what proportion of black americans and white americans don't have ID? Of course not because you already knew the answer you liar.
Do you have any facts to back that up @kamski or just another rant?
you are the one claiming that I said things I never said.
as for ID, eg 2012 ANES 5% whites without ID and 13% blacks.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
Had we awoken on the morning after the election to Trump having taken the states he needed, what do you think he would have done in the subsequent 9 months that would have been more damaging to the cause of Western democracy than the last week?
Don’t get me wrong, the man’s a knobhead. But at least the foreign autocrats were wary of him.
Trump and the GOP spent 4 years undermining democratic norms and replacing professional people at institutions with those who would subvert the rule of law. I think he would have done more of that if he'd been in power the last 9 months - he'd already threatened to sack Fauci and replace him with a lackey and the GOP are trying to undermine democracy in voting reform bills in Texas etc
Foreign leaders are also wary of Putin, Xi and Jong-Un . . . doesn't mean I want a leader like that as President of the USA.
Having a leader that respects democracy and fights to win but accepts when they lose is a key part of democracy. I have no fear that if Biden loses the election that he won't relinquish control.
LOL. Pelosi, Clinton et al spent 4 years claiming Trump was an agent of the Russians and an illegitimate President but that’s not “undermining democracy”.
You’re smart in many ways Philip buy some times you truly are as thick as pig sh1t.
Have you read Ms Clinton's book? It's pitiful, self justifying and poorly written. But it starts off by saying "I lost".
There are lots of bad things by politicians on all sides of the political spectrum. And there are lots of good things. There are many things Trump did as President that I personally supported, even some - such as removing the tax shield on carried interest - that cost me financially.
But the single most important thing for any politician is to accept the decision of voters. If you look at every country that has gone from democracy to shithole in the last 100 years (and there's a surprisingly large number of them), the descent has always started with a single seed: a politician who refused to accept the decision of the voters.
That's really all that matters.
If Trump cannot say "I lost" and if he cannot say "I would accept the decision of the voters" then he is not a man who should elected to any democratic office.
As I said, Trump should have said she lost.
However, as for Clinton, whatever she said in her book, her public message - all the way up to the 2020 election - was that Russia helped Trump to power. You can quote her book as much as you like but I’d argue she was being disingenuous - giving the fig leaf of saying she lost while all her public announcements and commentary made it clear she believed she had been cheated. Many other Democrats said the same:
So should that not be mentioned? Should Russia be allowed to meddle with our elections with impunity and it can't even be brought up?
If it’s true, it should be mentioned.
The question is how far it is true. The whole Christopher Steele evidence has been discredited completely. He was paid by the Clinton campaign, he was vehemently anti Trump and Steele admitted he couldn’t verify the claims.
Ask yourself. You are Russia, you want to undermine the US. How better than to allow some biased researcher to hear what he wanted to believe ?
You do realise the evidence went well beyond Steele.
Despite the fact that Trump was putting his thumb on the scales of justice, many people went to jail because of colluding with Russian interference or covering it up etc
Convictions that have been overturned and where the FISA courts have said they would never have given approval if they had known the truth. Pretty serious stuff.
Biden being incompetent and out of his depth doesn’t make Trump any less dangerous to humanity.
Both can be dangerous to humanity, as they are/were leaders of the Free World
Biden is doing it by sheer, grotesque, senescent incompetence, Trump by being a lunatic who contemplated a coup
Of the two I'd have Trump as obviously the most dangerous, but Biden is really really doing his best to make it a decent contest. If the Afghan debacle turns into a new Al Qaeda/ISIS situation, then it might become properly debatable
The difference is the rest of the world knew Trump was wildly unpredictable and so treated everything he did and said through that lens. Buyer beware doing anything with him or rely on him for anything, as he might change his mind tomorrow because he saw some report on Fox news.
Biden was supposed to be the return of the grown-ups and professionals, that could be trusted and relied upon. I imagine many countries have got quite a shock over the past week or two. And rather pissed off with Only America attitude.
Until about 6 days huge numbers of people seemed to think Biden was fantastic, simply because he wasn't Trump. In a way, it was a strange form of "my enemy's enemy is my friend" type logic.
Yes, quite true
I despised Trump but I always realised Biden was dangerously mediocre and ominously old. Some people were so joyously glad to be relieved of the Donald, Biden became some weird mix of Lincoln and FDR. Ridic
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
Who knows? He behaved as though it was true, which I'm sure was good enough for Putin.
You're very cocky about Biden's supposed failings, to the point of perhaps feigned incomprehension that anyone would still think he's better than Trump. For many of us, of course he's better. He's not a danger to democracy, an issue that completely dwarfs Afghanistan as a long-term concern for Americans.
I’d argue Nick you’re quite cocky that Biden is the better President even though the evidence so far is the opposite - inflation, failure in Afghanistan etc. You seem to take the view that, as a politician, you know best. Not sure that’s correct.
FWIW, I think Trump was an idiot and, as I said at the time, I was against what he was doing. But (1) I’d argue the Democrats are putting forwards some very anti democratic measures themselves (to reiterate - HR1, packing the Supreme Court etc) and (2) America is the leader of the Free World. What Biden has done has heightened the risk of serious conflict by showing America is weak
What's your issue with HR1? Besides the fact its an attempt to ensure people can vote and thus counteracts voter suppression.
Being able to vote is good, voter suppression is bad.
Would you accept a piece of EU legislation (pre Brexit) determining our electorate?
What would Biden’s reaction be if the Taliban end up holding a few thousand Western hostages and very publicly ask for a multi billion dollar ransom? What if they undertake a “YouTube” execution every day for the rest of his presidency? Quite a lot rests on the next 72 hours.
I'll be happily surprised if the Taliban don't hold on to a few hundred, or even a few thousand, western hostages - pleading "instability". It would give them near-infinite leverage, like Iran over Carter but an order of magnitude bigger
How does it benefit them to let everyone go? Then they are once more open to attack. If they have loads of westerners imprisoned around Kabul - or the country - drones and bombs are much trickier to use
The reason for pessimism surely has to be the fairly decentralised nature of the Taliban’s power structure. Plenty of bloodthirsty nutters in their ranks ready to make a name for themselves and it’s not obvious what the Qatar posse could or would do to restrain them.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
There's much worse than just requiring ID that is being done - but even requiring ID is a disgrace in a country where getting ID is a nightmare due to their notoriously incompetent and badly ran DMV - an institution so notoriously appalling that Marge's sisters in the Simpsons are the face of it. Getting ID is made very difficult.
As for HR1 it is long-overdue and much-required yes. I hope it gets through.
Packing the court is something I would completely support the Democrats doing after the way the GOP abused processes to pack the court themselves.
As for raising concerns about Trump being a stooge of Putin - that's an entirely legitimate concern. Just as Biden being an atrocious old fool is an entirely legitimate concern.
God Philip, you’re a bigger threat to democracy than I thought.
And do you realise how insulting it is to Black Americans to make the assumption that they are too thick to get ID?
Hell, you probably agreed with Biden when he said Blacks and Hispanics didn’t use computers
Not too thick, but its made deliberately difficult for them to get ID.
Its not like the UK where you can do it online or via the mail. In many states you need to go into the DMV which are notoriously difficult to deal with and tend not to be located in black neighbourhoods.
Another thing that struck me with Biden this evening, again it was all "America only" again. It is basically convention that the US president name checks partners working on these missions, and yet it was all only America can do this....not America and its long standing partners such as UK and France.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
God you're really making even more of a fool of yourself than usual. Do you really think people are convinced by this crap? Your dishonesty is just an insult to everyone's intelligence. People can easily look up for themselves how much more likely black Americans are than white Americans to have no ID.
Yawn Kamski, just go back to your usual “Biden is so great, he’s wonderful and compassionate” you have no interest in facts so it is pointless debating you.
More dishonesty from easily the most dishonest poster on here. Or can you point me to where I have said that? Of course not because you are just a liar. Have you looked up what proportion of black americans and white americans don't have ID? Of course not because you already knew the answer you liar.
Do you have any facts to back that up @kamski or just another rant?
you are the one claiming that I said things I never said.
as for ID, eg 2012 ANES 5% whites without ID and 13% blacks.
Sorry you are making no sense. I never said you were a liar or a racist. Where has that come from?
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
Had we awoken on the morning after the election to Trump having taken the states he needed, what do you think he would have done in the subsequent 9 months that would have been more damaging to the cause of Western democracy than the last week?
Don’t get me wrong, the man’s a knobhead. But at least the foreign autocrats were wary of him.
Trump and the GOP spent 4 years undermining democratic norms and replacing professional people at institutions with those who would subvert the rule of law. I think he would have done more of that if he'd been in power the last 9 months - he'd already threatened to sack Fauci and replace him with a lackey and the GOP are trying to undermine democracy in voting reform bills in Texas etc
Foreign leaders are also wary of Putin, Xi and Jong-Un . . . doesn't mean I want a leader like that as President of the USA.
Having a leader that respects democracy and fights to win but accepts when they lose is a key part of democracy. I have no fear that if Biden loses the election that he won't relinquish control.
LOL. Pelosi, Clinton et al spent 4 years claiming Trump was an agent of the Russians and an illegitimate President but that’s not “undermining democracy”.
You’re smart in many ways Philip buy some times you truly are as thick as pig sh1t.
No its not. Trump being too close to the Russians was a problem and pointing that out isn't undermining democracy any more than pointing out that Corbyn was too close to antisemites and the IRA undermined democracy.
Jesus. Do you really believe the Russians controlled Trump? Do you think the US intelligence services would have allowed Trump to be US President if that were so?
I don't think the Russians controlled Trump.
I do think the Russians could manipulate Trump. I do think the Russians helped Trump win in 2016. I do think the Russians wanted Trump in charge.
Very much like Corbyn for all of those. As Cyclefree, myself and others have pointed out there are remarkable similarities between Corbyn and Trump.
Boris is far more the British Trump than Corbyn ever was. Educated, charismatic, widely known through television, atypical of their nominal parties, highly sexed, placing a high value on personal fealty, and with a casual disregard for the truth.
Those are by far Trump's least malign characteristics. That's like saying Hitler's a vegetarian, this person's a vegetarian, so they're the same.
When you look at Trump's malign characteristics, he shares them very much with Corbyn.
Another thing that struck me with Biden this evening, again it was all "America only" again. It is basically convention that the US president name checks partners working on these missions, and yet it was all only America can do this....not America and its long standing partners such as UK and France.
Yes, all the talk about “America’s back” is just waffle. Biden has shafted his allies and couldn’t give a f*ck. At least Trump didn’t pretend
"didn't pretend" to care about his allies' interests, and that's a positive?
You really are embarrassing yourself here. There are no Biden fans.
"There are no Biden fans."
There certainly were. But not any more
They are a bit like the Afghan army. There but shed their uniforms as the first sight of trouble…
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
Who knows? He behaved as though it was true, which I'm sure was good enough for Putin.
You're very cocky about Biden's supposed failings, to the point of perhaps feigned incomprehension that anyone would still think he's better than Trump. For many of us, of course he's better. He's not a danger to democracy, an issue that completely dwarfs Afghanistan as a long-term concern for Americans.
I’d argue Nick you’re quite cocky that Biden is the better President even though the evidence so far is the opposite - inflation, failure in Afghanistan etc. You seem to take the view that, as a politician, you know best. Not sure that’s correct.
FWIW, I think Trump was an idiot and, as I said at the time, I was against what he was doing. But (1) I’d argue the Democrats are putting forwards some very anti democratic measures themselves (to reiterate - HR1, packing the Supreme Court etc) and (2) America is the leader of the Free World. What Biden has done has heightened the risk of serious conflict by showing America is weak
What's your issue with HR1? Besides the fact its an attempt to ensure people can vote and thus counteracts voter suppression.
Being able to vote is good, voter suppression is bad.
Would you accept a piece of EU legislation (pre Brexit) determining our electorate?
Voting rights are a State matter
@Philip_Thompson I said below my issue with HR1 - it is a gateway to massive voter fraud because it allows votes to be case without any checks. We wouldn’t accept it in the U.K. so why should we expect the US to accept it?
Another thing that struck me with Biden this evening, again it was all "America only" again. It is basically convention that the US president name checks partners working on these missions, and yet it was all only America can do this....not America and its long standing partners such as UK and France.
Yes, all the talk about “America’s back” is just waffle. Biden has shafted his allies and couldn’t give a f*ck. At least Trump didn’t pretend
"didn't pretend" to care about his allies' interests, and that's a positive?
You really are embarrassing yourself here. There are no Biden fans.
"There are no Biden fans."
There certainly were. But not any more
They are a bit like the Afghan army. There but shed their uniforms as the first sight of trouble…
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
"too thick to get ID" is not the same as "tend not to have ID," you dickless minge monkey.
Nice to see you as soon as charming as ever @Ishmael_Z
How far down your throat have you managed to suck Biden’s c*ck?
well you did call him a racist you liar, so what do you expect
When did I call him that?
Citation please
you are so relentlessly dishonest, it's almost impressive. you know exactly what I am talking about. don't you?
Very cheesy film but worth it for the Sean Connery cameo, and the Queen soundtrack - which is superb.
Did they ever write a bad song?
Yes.
Every great songwriter has written lots of poor material.
Dylan?
Dylan is a tricky one. I am so addicted to Blood on the Tracks that I’ve a very sketchy understanding of the rest of his career, especially the post 70s stuff.
I can’t point out a bad song, but surely there must be one or two.
My favourite album (not just Dylan album) of all time. I have to admit I kind of lose track of what he did after that.
In that case I am the bearer of good news. Spotify has the bootleg version of Blood on the Tracks, or at least a bootleg version. I think it is based on the New York City recording sessions. The official album is 50/50 NYC recordings and Minneapolis recordings.
Search for More Blood, More Tracks.
Such a pleasure to discover “new” versions of songs I fell in love with over 30 years ago.
Will look. I know there's a few very different versions of Tangled Up In Blue out there.
The bootleg Idiot Wind is fascinating. The full bitterness and hurt of the lyrics really take prominence. Whacks you in the face. Whereas the official version is more like a painting, making you feel the pain rather than having it explained. Both ways are pure genius.
Most songwriters would give their eye teeth to write just one Idiot Wind. Dylan wrote hundreds.
Another thing that struck me with Biden this evening, again it was all "America only" again. It is basically convention that the US president name checks partners working on these missions, and yet it was all only America can do this....not America and its long standing partners such as UK and France.
Yes, all the talk about “America’s back” is just waffle. Biden has shafted his allies and couldn’t give a f*ck. At least Trump didn’t pretend
"didn't pretend" to care about his allies' interests, and that's a positive?
You really are embarrassing yourself here. There are no Biden fans.
"There are no Biden fans."
There certainly were. But not any more
They are a bit like the Afghan army. There but shed their uniforms as the first sight of trouble…
So, linky time.
What for the Afghan army shedding their uniforms? Plenty of links to be found. You can do it though for yourself
Very cheesy film but worth it for the Sean Connery cameo, and the Queen soundtrack - which is superb.
Did they ever write a bad song?
Yes.
Every great songwriter has written lots of poor material.
Dylan?
Dylan is a tricky one. I am so addicted to Blood on the Tracks that I’ve a very sketchy understanding of the rest of his career, especially the post 70s stuff.
I can’t point out a bad song, but surely there must be one or two.
My favourite album (not just Dylan album) of all time. I have to admit I kind of lose track of what he did after that.
In that case I am the bearer of good news. Spotify has the bootleg version of Blood on the Tracks, or at least a bootleg version. I think it is based on the New York City recording sessions. The official album is 50/50 NYC recordings and Minneapolis recordings.
Search for More Blood, More Tracks.
Such a pleasure to discover “new” versions of songs I fell in love with over 30 years ago.
Indeed. There are numerous bootlegs and outtakes of Dylan doing the rounds now in high quality. Almost every song had 15+ versions before settling on the recorded one. Tangled Up in Blue is better imho. Idiot Wind achingly sad. Less bitter and accusatory. Almost hurtful. You can hear the pain with the anger stripped back.
Obviously the 90% is a tiny sample size based on a single snapshot, but still. The equation with delta variant is pretty simple, if you aren't vaccinated, covid will find you and even younger adults are at serious risk now.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
"too thick to get ID" is not the same as "tend not to have ID," you dickless minge monkey.
Nice to see you as soon as charming as ever @Ishmael_Z
How far down your throat have you managed to suck Biden’s c*ck?
well you did call him a racist you liar, so what do you expect
When did I call him that?
Citation please
you are so relentlessly dishonest, it's almost impressive. you know exactly what I am talking about. don't you?
An internal State Department memo last month warned top agency officials of the potential collapse of Kabul soon after the U.S.’s Aug. 31 troop withdrawal deadline in Afghanistan, according to a U.S. official and a person familiar with the document.
The classified cable represents the clearest evidence yet that the administration had been warned by its own officials on the ground that the Taliban’s advance was imminent and Afghanistan’s military may be unable to stop it.
The cable, sent via the State Department’s confidential dissent channel, warned of rapid territorial gains by the Taliban and the subsequent collapse of Afghan security forces, and offered recommendations on ways to mitigate the crisis and speed up an evacuation, the two people said.
An internal State Department memo last month warned top agency officials of the potential collapse of Kabul soon after the U.S.’s Aug. 31 troop withdrawal deadline in Afghanistan, according to a U.S. official and a person familiar with the document.
The classified cable represents the clearest evidence yet that the administration had been warned by its own officials on the ground that the Taliban’s advance was imminent and Afghanistan’s military may be unable to stop it.
The cable, sent via the State Department’s confidential dissent channel, warned of rapid territorial gains by the Taliban and the subsequent collapse of Afghan security forces, and offered recommendations on ways to mitigate the crisis and speed up an evacuation, the two people said.
It feels like the US intelligence bureaucracy has decided it’s time to throw Biden under the bus
What would Biden’s reaction be if the Taliban end up holding a few thousand Western hostages and very publicly ask for a multi billion dollar ransom? What if they undertake a “YouTube” execution every day for the rest of his presidency? Quite a lot rests on the next 72 hours.
I'll be happily surprised if the Taliban don't hold on to a few hundred, or even a few thousand, western hostages - pleading "instability". It would give them near-infinite leverage, like Iran over Carter but an order of magnitude bigger
How does it benefit them to let everyone go? Then they are once more open to attack. If they have loads of westerners imprisoned around Kabul - or the country - drones and bombs are much trickier to use
The reason for pessimism surely has to be the fairly decentralised nature of the Taliban’s power structure. Plenty of bloodthirsty nutters in their ranks ready to make a name for themselves and it’s not obvious what the Qatar posse could or would do to restrain them.
Another thing that struck me with Biden this evening, again it was all "America only" again. It is basically convention that the US president name checks partners working on these missions, and yet it was all only America can do this....not America and its long standing partners such as UK and France.
Yes, all the talk about “America’s back” is just waffle. Biden has shafted his allies and couldn’t give a f*ck. At least Trump didn’t pretend
"didn't pretend" to care about his allies' interests, and that's a positive?
You really are embarrassing yourself here. There are no Biden fans.
"There are no Biden fans."
There certainly were. But not any more
They are a bit like the Afghan army. There but shed their uniforms as the first sight of trouble…
So, linky time.
What for the Afghan army shedding their uniforms? Plenty of links to be found. You can do it though for yourself
Ooh, you're clever. I don't think I'd last five minutes in a mano a mano debate with you.
Now that we've got you being a dildo out of the way: I don't rememember anyone here having any enthusiasm at all for Biden getting the Democrat nomination, nor any enthusiasm at all for him getting the presidency for any other reason than that he was a. not Donald Trump or b. a precursor to Kamala. Do you know different?
I was in the audience for Any Questions tonight. I thought James Heappey (Tory MP, Armed Forces minister and ex-Major in the army) was very impressive. He seemed incredibly genuine whilst being quite direct in his answers, even saying that it was likely we would not get everyone out from Kabul. I hope he gets a promotion. Struck me as someone who could make a very good Prime Minister. Worth a listen.
An internal State Department memo last month warned top agency officials of the potential collapse of Kabul soon after the U.S.’s Aug. 31 troop withdrawal deadline in Afghanistan, according to a U.S. official and a person familiar with the document.
The classified cable represents the clearest evidence yet that the administration had been warned by its own officials on the ground that the Taliban’s advance was imminent and Afghanistan’s military may be unable to stop it.
The cable, sent via the State Department’s confidential dissent channel, warned of rapid territorial gains by the Taliban and the subsequent collapse of Afghan security forces, and offered recommendations on ways to mitigate the crisis and speed up an evacuation, the two people said.
It feels like the US intelligence bureaucracy has decided it’s time to throw Biden under the bus
The US government isn't supposed to be a one man affair. Where are Biden's advisers?
Another thing that struck me with Biden this evening, again it was all "America only" again. It is basically convention that the US president name checks partners working on these missions, and yet it was all only America can do this....not America and its long standing partners such as UK and France.
Huge story… leaked memo shows Biden promised Boris Johnson and G7 leaders in June that the US would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan that they would keep Kabul safe — then failed to keep that commitment
NEW: Biden assured key allies in June that US security enablers would remain in place in Afghanistan as NATO troops withdrew, so much so that U.K. thought it could maintain its Kabul embassy
Is this worse for US-Ally relationships than everything under Trump combined? Horrendous abdication of responsibility.
He's a useless fucker so he is.
Sorry David, you wanted Biden, you and your ilk own it
Yes, I wanted Biden. Proud to say so.
Because Trump winning a 2nd term would have been either the end of american democracy or a civil war or succession of several states.
As was proved by his attempts to run a coup and claim he won the election.
If Trump was running a coup, he did a piss poor imitation of one. My dog could have done better.
Vote Trump. He's incompetent at fascist coups.
Compelling.
As opposed to incompetent at being the leader of the Free World.
And don’t tell me, you are one of those who truly believe Trump was controlled by Putin and pissed on by Russian hookers, as in some third-rate conspiracy theory movie. F*ck, that is up there with the QAnon conspiracy crap.
I'd rather someone be incompetent at being the leader of the Free World, than someone being more competent but ending the Free element of Free World.
Trump threatened to end America's democracy. The GOP are still trying to do so with their disgraceful voting reforms in places like Texas.
“Disgraceful voter reforms”. What, you mean people have to show ID? Oh my God, how terrible! In a country where 90pc+ have a driving licence.
Not sure if you have been listening Philip but do you know about HR1, or the Democrats threatening to pack the Supreme Court or that for 4 years Democrats claimed Trump was an illegitimate President as he was a stooge of Putin?
Now that is some crazy sh1t.
90%+ is not a very compelling statistic when you look at the margin of victory in, frinstance, every pres election since and including 2000, is it?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Or Billy Bob GOP voters?
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
God you're really making even more of a fool of yourself than usual. Do you really think people are convinced by this crap? Your dishonesty is just an insult to everyone's intelligence. People can easily look up for themselves how much more likely black Americans are than white Americans to have no ID.
Yawn Kamski, just go back to your usual “Biden is so great, he’s wonderful and compassionate” you have no interest in facts so it is pointless debating you.
More dishonesty from easily the most dishonest poster on here. Or can you point me to where I have said that? Of course not because you are just a liar. Have you looked up what proportion of black americans and white americans don't have ID? Of course not because you already knew the answer you liar.
Do you have any facts to back that up @kamski or just another rant?
you are the one claiming that I said things I never said.
as for ID, eg 2012 ANES 5% whites without ID and 13% blacks.
Sorry you are making no sense. I never said you were a liar or a racist. Where has that come from?
1. You quote me as saying things like "Biden is so great". I have never said anything of the sort. You lied. 2. When others say that black Americans are less likely to have ID than white Americans you say it is insulting to black people. More lies from you. Or do you honestly think that pointing out the fact that black americans are more likely to lack ID than white Americans is insulting black people's intelligence????
Do you understand now? Don't bother answering because I will only assume you are probably lying, like with everything else you post.
Ha ha, let’s laugh at all those people who said Biden was great!
Who were they?
Loads of them, bet you were one.
Any actual quotes of people actually saying Biden was great?
..
THEY WERE SAYING IT INWARDLY!
During the debates, every time someone pointed out that Biden sounded a bit doddery they were ridiculed for daring to say such a thing. Because defeating Trump was the only thing that mattered.
An internal State Department memo last month warned top agency officials of the potential collapse of Kabul soon after the U.S.’s Aug. 31 troop withdrawal deadline in Afghanistan, according to a U.S. official and a person familiar with the document.
The classified cable represents the clearest evidence yet that the administration had been warned by its own officials on the ground that the Taliban’s advance was imminent and Afghanistan’s military may be unable to stop it.
The cable, sent via the State Department’s confidential dissent channel, warned of rapid territorial gains by the Taliban and the subsequent collapse of Afghan security forces, and offered recommendations on ways to mitigate the crisis and speed up an evacuation, the two people said.
It feels like the US intelligence bureaucracy has decided it’s time to throw Biden under the bus
The US government isn't supposed to be a one man affair. Where are Biden's advisers?
Conspicuously absent. Recall that Kamala Harris apparently said "they won't pin this shit on me" re the Kabul Disaster. Now we get various officials directly contradicting what Biden just stupidly said in the presser - "al Qaeda are gone", "Americans with passports are reaching the airport fine". And now these dangerous leaks for Biden out of DC and London
It does look rather like Biden is being set up as the Fall Guy. He will take the blame for this, retire early? Harris takes over. New broom sweeps clean
Obviously the 90% is a tiny sample size based on a single snapshot, but still. The equation with delta variant is pretty simple, if you aren't vaccinated, covid will find you and even younger adults are at serious risk now.
I’m sure Darwin had something to say about things like this.
Ha ha, let’s laugh at all those people who said Biden was great!
Who were they?
Loads of them, bet you were one.
Any actual quotes of people actually saying Biden was great?
..
THEY WERE SAYING IT INWARDLY!
During the debates, every time someone pointed out that Biden sounded a bit doddery they were ridiculed for daring to say such a thing. Because defeating Trump was the only thing that mattered.
Not doubting you for a moment, but any examples of this? Particularly interested in the 'every time' component.
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Its not like the UK where you can do it online or via the mail. In many states you need to go into the DMV which are notoriously difficult to deal with and tend not to be located in black neighbourhoods.
Yet again what is your problem with HR1?
Who knew Plague would make travel so easy?
Also, are the non driving licence holders disproportionately (1) dem niggaz or (2) dem whiteys?
Brexit is over now, done and finished.
The political battles of the future will be different ones with different battlelines.
Funnily enough, when I asked on here whether people would be happy to see the types of proposals suggested in HR1 applied to U.K. elections, there was a resounding silence. Which suggests no.
Stop trying to pretend HR1 is all about expanding democracy. It’s not. It’s being portrayed with the same sort of fallacy about Georgia’s voting law when it was said “oooh, you can’t offer people in line water”. No, it was that political parties couldn’t offer water but electoral officials could. Plus it also extended voting hours.
But she is also a former prosecutor. And prosecutors are rarely known for being woke. Indeed, she was on the far right of the Democratic candidate list. So, I'm struggling with this idea that she's little Miss Woke.
It’s insulting to say Black voters are too thick to get ID
And I am more than ever convinced that nothing is closer to your heart than the interests of Black Americans. I'd stake my life on it.
Is Trump followed by Biden the worst sequence of US presidents in US history?
My American history doesn't go back far enough to confidently talk about the 19th let alome 18th century, but in the 20th and 21st this seems the worst conjoined couplet of POTUSs ever
Quite bad timing, like England having Aethelred the Unready immediately followed by James II.... during the Cold War
However, as for Clinton, whatever she said in her book, her public message - all the way up to the 2020 election - was that Russia helped Trump to power. You can quote her book as much as you like but I’d argue she was being disingenuous - giving the fig leaf of saying she lost while all her public announcements and commentary made it clear she believed she had been cheated. Many other Democrats said the same:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html?outputType=amp&outputType=amp
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/joe-bidens-bitter-harvest-11604963930
Nobody honest thinks the difference between saying "I lost" and "I won" is a figleaf.
Of course not because you are just a liar.
Have you looked up what proportion of black americans and white americans don't have ID?
Of course not because you already knew the answer you liar.
How far down your throat have you managed to suck Biden’s c*ck?
"This team is ready to lead the world, not retreat from it.
Ready to confront our adversaries, not reject our allies.
And ready to stand up for our values."
Biden November 2020
Sick joke
1. I quite like Biden, but am even keener on Harris. Their domestic policies have been fine by me.
2. I suspect there may be a bit of an over-reaction to what's happened in Afghanistan vis-a-vis Biden's future - too early to say.
3. Trump is an unpleasant, ignorant, racist fuckwit (this may be slightly more popular than 1. and 2. above).
Citation please
Biden is doing it by sheer, grotesque, senescent incompetence, Trump by being a lunatic who contemplated a coup
Of the two I'd have Trump as obviously the most dangerous, but Biden is really really doing his best to make it a decent contest. If the Afghan debacle turns into a new Al Qaeda/ISIS situation, then it might become properly debatable
Search for More Blood, More Tracks.
Such a pleasure to discover “new” versions of songs I fell in love with over 30 years ago.
Biden was supposed to be the return of the grown-ups and professionals, that could be trusted and relied upon. I imagine many countries have got quite a shock over the past week or two. And rather pissed off with Only America attitude.
So should that not be mentioned? Should Russia be allowed to meddle with our elections with impunity and it can't even be brought up?
You really are embarrassing yourself here. There are no Biden fans.
When you look at Trump's malign characteristics, he shares them very much with Corbyn.
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/04/04/the-british-trump-the-similarities-between-the-president-and-the-leader-of-the-opposition/
The question is how far it is true. The whole Christopher Steele evidence has been discredited completely. He was paid by the Clinton campaign, he was vehemently anti Trump and Steele admitted he couldn’t verify the claims.
Ask yourself. You are Russia, you want to undermine the US. How better than to allow some biased researcher to hear what he wanted to believe ?
How does it benefit them to let everyone go? Then they are once more open to attack. If they have loads of westerners imprisoned around Kabul - or the country - drones and bombs are much trickier to use
Despite the fact that Trump was putting his thumb on the scales of justice, many people went to jail because of colluding with Russian interference or covering it up etc
There certainly were. But not any more
Unforced error.
Smokescreen.
as for ID, eg 2012 ANES 5% whites without ID and 13% blacks.
I despised Trump but I always realised Biden was dangerously mediocre and ominously old. Some people were so joyously glad to be relieved of the Donald, Biden became some weird mix of Lincoln and FDR. Ridic
Voting rights are a State matter
Who were they?
Loads of them, bet you were one.
Any actual quotes of people actually saying Biden was great?
..
THEY WERE SAYING IT INWARDLY!
The Assault on Truth
Boris Johnson, Donald Trump and the Emergence of a New Moral Barbarism
https://www.simonandschuster.co.uk/books/The-Assault-on-Truth/Peter-Oborne/9781398501003
Most songwriters would give their eye teeth to write just one Idiot Wind. Dylan wrote hundreds.
Almost every song had 15+ versions before settling on the recorded one. Tangled Up in Blue is better imho.
Idiot Wind achingly sad. Less bitter and accusatory. Almost hurtful. You can hear the pain with the anger stripped back.
Obviously the 90% is a tiny sample size based on a single snapshot, but still. The equation with delta variant is pretty simple, if you aren't vaccinated, covid will find you and even younger adults are at serious risk now.
An internal State Department memo last month warned top agency officials of the potential collapse of Kabul soon after the U.S.’s Aug. 31 troop withdrawal deadline in Afghanistan, according to a U.S. official and a person familiar with the document.
The classified cable represents the clearest evidence yet that the administration had been warned by its own officials on the ground that the Taliban’s advance was imminent and Afghanistan’s military may be unable to stop it.
The cable, sent via the State Department’s confidential dissent channel, warned of rapid territorial gains by the Taliban and the subsequent collapse of Afghan security forces, and offered recommendations on ways to mitigate the crisis and speed up an evacuation, the two people said.
Now that we've got you being a dildo out of the way: I don't rememember anyone here having any enthusiasm at all for Biden getting the Democrat nomination, nor any enthusiasm at all for him getting the presidency for any other reason than that he was a. not Donald Trump or b. a precursor to Kamala. Do you know different?
That's an anti-vaxxer talking point gone.
2. When others say that black Americans are less likely to have ID than white Americans you say it is insulting to black people. More lies from you. Or do you honestly think that pointing out the fact that black americans are more likely to lack ID than white Americans is insulting black people's intelligence????
Do you understand now? Don't bother answering because I will only assume you are probably lying, like with everything else you post.
It does look rather like Biden is being set up as the Fall Guy. He will take the blame for this, retire early? Harris takes over. New broom sweeps clean