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  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited August 2021

    MaxPB said:

    nico679 said:

    nico679 said:

    Christopher Snowdon
    @cjsnowdon
    ·
    1h
    Anti-vaccine radio host in Florida dies of Covid-19 at age 65

    Good riddance , got what he deserved.
    Are you really celebrating someone's death

    Words fail me no matter how wrong he was
    He spread lies about vaccines and contributed to the deaths of others by using his position as a radio host so I won’t apologize for saying good riddance to him.
    All I can repeat is words fail me no matter how much you disagree with him

    Not one of us should celebrate the death of anyone
    Hmm, I'd absolutely celebrate the death of the Belarus dictator. He's a tyrant and murderer. His presence in the world has brought misery to millions of people and his death would unwind a lot of it.
    I do not disagree that the death of a dictator is in the better good but in this case he was a DJ who no doubt had family and relations and good riddance just grates and is best just left unsaid
    Well said, @Big_G_NorthWales
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited August 2021
    eek said:

    eek said:

    Completely offtopic but how the BBC Salford studio was done for the Tokyo Olympics

    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-08-09-as-the-olympics-concludes-bbc-tours-its-unreal-engine-powered-studio

    Short overview, green screen and the Unreal Game engine powering the scenario, all in all a cheap version of how the Mandalorin was done.

    Not really comparable to Mandalorin tech. Like saying an Indy game is a cheap version of the latest AAA game.
    Both are powered by the same Unreal engine - which is the point I wanted to make.

    The Mandalorin uses screens to display the background images, (they then add props as appropriate to flesh things out. The BBC uses a green screen and added the images later, so it's a far cheaper alternative...
    Still not really. One is bog standard old school green screen that has been used for donkeys years with all the limitations that go with them, Mandalorin is much much more sophisticated e.g. the scene being projected moves, lighting adapts in real time as the camera moves, the resolution is insane. Also I doubt ILM I using the off the shelf version of Unreal, just as most AAA have heavily modified versions / additions.

    Twitch streamers these days have what the BBC did. It really is nothing special.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    stodge said:


    so much for the honour of the Tory Party.

    To be fair, Coalition 2.0 was never more than an idealistic concept. The LDs were aware in 2013 of increased Conservative activity in their seats but had no response to the question "would you rather have a CON majority or a LAB/SNP coalition?" For some reason, the English (and the Welsh too I suspect) didn't like the idea of Alex Salmond holding the Government by the majorities.

    2015 killed the LD party I joined - the party which exists now and has its name is effectively a post-2015 and post-EU Referendum construction (two thirds to three quarters of the members joined after 2015). The Coalition isn't just ancient history, it's someone else's history.
    I wonder if Davey, who was after all a Minister in the Coalition Government were to campaign on better and closer relations with the EU, rather than actual rejoining, he'd mop up a lot of Tory Remainer votes.
    Yes, but everyone around him can’t accept we left and need to plot a new future relationship, they all want to relight old battles.

    A Lib Dem party that accepts Brexit, and is prepared to fight in Southern England on the wealth being sent North, has a good opportunity to make progress.

    Not that I think they will, I think they’ll go on NIMBYism and rejoining the EU, which will be a huge failure.
    That would be a rather tawdry platform - opposing wealth being sent from the South to the less affluent North.

    And it's making the assumption that it will be. Unlikely, I'd have thought.
    It’s no more tawdry, than being massively in favour of expanding public transport systems, except in Amersham where they’re massively against it.

    It’s no more tawdry, than being in favour of almost unlimited immigration, but no new house building in the areas where the immigrants wish to settle.

    Tawdry is the Lib Dem modus operandi in the South East, and has been for the last decade.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    Have any of them become seriously ill?

    Because if not, that’s not a sign we’re losing the battle. Quite the contrary.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,134
    stodge said:

    2015 killed the LD party I joined - the party which exists now and has its name is effectively a post-2015 and post-EU Referendum construction (two thirds to three quarters of the members joined after 2015). The Coalition isn't just ancient history, it's someone else's history.

    Well, yes and no. I'm one of that group of post-2015 members -- but I'd been consistently voting LD for 20 years before that. The post-2015 events were just the trigger for me to actually get my wallet out...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    On what measure? Cases? Sure lots of infections, that thanks to vaccination are mostly nothing to worry about. On hospitals? There is pressure, but a lot of it for now is due to the after effects of Covid, not the current burden (although there are a not insignificant number of Covid patients). On deaths? A ripple set amongst the number who die everyday from other factors and are not reported each day.
    When you arrived on pb you were attacked for your opening posts. This latest one is similar. Of course some are getting infected, the level of Covid in the community is high. The big difference is that the consequences of that are much, much less serious now.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159
    JohnO said:

    If the Tories are behind by 10% and poll very poorly in the May 2023 local elections (plus lose a couple of Parliamentary by-elections) then Johnson might possibly have cause for concern about his continuing Premiership/Tory leadership. Until that point, he should have little or no trouble.

    I agree. Most of my chunky bets have an assumption that he will fight the next GE. I'm not seeing this "swap him out for Sunak" thing. I judge that highly highly unlikely.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    tlg86 said:

    nico679 said:

    nico679 said:

    Christopher Snowdon
    @cjsnowdon
    ·
    1h
    Anti-vaccine radio host in Florida dies of Covid-19 at age 65

    Good riddance , got what he deserved.
    Are you really celebrating someone's death

    Words fail me no matter how wrong he was
    He spread lies about vaccines and contributed to the deaths of others by using his position as a radio host so I won’t apologize for saying good riddance to him.
    I suspect his impact was negligible. In fact, his death may help save lives, though that may be wishful thinking.

    I reckon a lot of the people not getting jabbed are just out of touch and not paying attention. Plenty of people won’t be registered with doctors and won’t have been asked to go for a jab.
    But this is about Florida, where his impact (and that of others like him) isn't negligible. The take-up of vaccines in the US amongst older cohorts is poor compared with the UK, France, Israel and other comparable nations, and quite a lot of that is due to the anti-vaxx loons of the Trumpish right. People are certainly dying unnecessarily in the US as a direct result of the bizarre politicisation of vaccination.

    This is of course a tragedy for the families affected. Nonetheless, Oscar WIlde's quip on the death of Little Nell does inevitably come to mind all the same,

    Governor DeSantis is pro-vaccination and Florida is not a particularly low vaxx state.
    He has just banned Florida hospitals from requiring their medical staff to be vaccinated. That is not "pro-vaccination". The man has blamed the spike on in COVID on (of course) Mexican immigrants coming across the border when Florida is leading the way in case numbers and the border is 800 miles away. The man is either unhinged or, worse, knows full well he is costing lives for personal political gain.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited August 2021
    For those interested in BBC vs Sony / ILM approaches....its chalk and cheese.

    https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/20/how-the-mandalorian-and-ilm-invisibly-reinvented-film-and-tv-production/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    Aslan said:

    tlg86 said:

    nico679 said:

    nico679 said:

    Christopher Snowdon
    @cjsnowdon
    ·
    1h
    Anti-vaccine radio host in Florida dies of Covid-19 at age 65

    Good riddance , got what he deserved.
    Are you really celebrating someone's death

    Words fail me no matter how wrong he was
    He spread lies about vaccines and contributed to the deaths of others by using his position as a radio host so I won’t apologize for saying good riddance to him.
    I suspect his impact was negligible. In fact, his death may help save lives, though that may be wishful thinking.

    I reckon a lot of the people not getting jabbed are just out of touch and not paying attention. Plenty of people won’t be registered with doctors and won’t have been asked to go for a jab.
    But this is about Florida, where his impact (and that of others like him) isn't negligible. The take-up of vaccines in the US amongst older cohorts is poor compared with the UK, France, Israel and other comparable nations, and quite a lot of that is due to the anti-vaxx loons of the Trumpish right. People are certainly dying unnecessarily in the US as a direct result of the bizarre politicisation of vaccination.

    This is of course a tragedy for the families affected. Nonetheless, Oscar WIlde's quip on the death of Little Nell does inevitably come to mind all the same,

    Governor DeSantis is pro-vaccination and Florida is not a particularly low vaxx state.
    He has just banned Florida hospitals from requiring their medical staff to be vaccinated. That is not "pro-vaccination". The man has blamed the spike on in COVID on (of course) Mexican immigrants coming across the border when Florida is leading the way in case numbers and the border is 800 miles away. The man is either unhinged or, worse, knows full well he is costing lives for personal political gain.
    False dichotomy. He could easily be both.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    Have any of them become seriously ill?

    Because if not, that’s not a sign we’re losing the battle. Quite the contrary.
    Are you talking about my anecdotal comment or the evidential data?

    If the former, yes, two of them are seriously ill.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,829

    MaxPB said:

    nico679 said:

    nico679 said:

    Christopher Snowdon
    @cjsnowdon
    ·
    1h
    Anti-vaccine radio host in Florida dies of Covid-19 at age 65

    Good riddance , got what he deserved.
    Are you really celebrating someone's death

    Words fail me no matter how wrong he was
    He spread lies about vaccines and contributed to the deaths of others by using his position as a radio host so I won’t apologize for saying good riddance to him.
    All I can repeat is words fail me no matter how much you disagree with him

    Not one of us should celebrate the death of anyone
    Hmm, I'd absolutely celebrate the death of the Belarus dictator. He's a tyrant and murderer. His presence in the world has brought misery to millions of people and his death would unwind a lot of it.
    I do not disagree that the death of a dictator is in the better good but in this case he was a DJ who no doubt had family and relations and good riddance just grates and is best just left unsaid
    Well that's not the same as "not one is us should celebrate the death of anyone" is it. Life isn't black and white, a radio host who has broadcast anti-vaxxer propaganda to millions and caused countless unnecessary deaths in the process is not going to be missed and if the people who lost family and friends due to his anti-vaxxer nonsense celebrate his death, I'm not going to condemn them.
  • DeClareDeClare Posts: 483

    stodge said:


    so much for the honour of the Tory Party.

    To be fair, Coalition 2.0 was never more than an idealistic concept. The LDs were aware in 2013 of increased Conservative activity in their seats but had no response to the question "would you rather have a CON majority or a LAB/SNP coalition?" For some reason, the English (and the Welsh too I suspect) didn't like the idea of Alex Salmond holding the Government by the majorities.

    2015 killed the LD party I joined - the party which exists now and has its name is effectively a post-2015 and post-EU Referendum construction (two thirds to three quarters of the members joined after 2015). The Coalition isn't just ancient history, it's someone else's history.
    Che peccato. You brought it on yourselves. I mean, my God, coalition with the Tories! What on earth were you thinking. Turkeys voting for Christmas.
    The same thing happened to them in the 1979 election after the Lib/Lab pact many people that might have flirted with them returned to the Tories in disgust at them helping to keep Jim Callaghan in power.
    But this is actually what the LDs want, for years now they have been campaigning for a PR voting system so that there's always a coalition government, presumably with them always in it.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Completely offtopic but how the BBC Salford studio was done for the Tokyo Olympics

    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-08-09-as-the-olympics-concludes-bbc-tours-its-unreal-engine-powered-studio

    Short overview, green screen and the Unreal Game engine powering the scenario, all in all a cheap version of how the Mandalorin was done.

    Not really comparable to Mandalorin tech. Like saying an Indy game is a cheap version of the latest AAA game.
    Both are powered by the same Unreal engine - which is the point I wanted to make.

    The Mandalorin uses screens to display the background images, (they then add props as appropriate to flesh things out. The BBC uses a green screen and added the images later, so it's a far cheaper alternative...
    Still not really. One is bog standard old school green screen that has been used for donkeys years with all the limitations that go with them, Mandalorin is much much more sophisticated e.g. the scene being projected moves, lighting adapts in real time as the camera moves, the resolution is insane. Also I doubt ILM I using the off the shelf version of Unreal, just as most AAA have heavily modified versions / additions.

    Twitch streamers these days have what the BBC did. It really is nothing special.
    Have you watched the BBC video about what they did? Then compare what they say they are using with https://www.polygon.com/tv/2020/2/20/21146152/the-mandalorian-making-of-video-unreal-engine-projection-screen and whatever other mandalorian making of documents cover.

    The scene being projected moves, the lighting adapts to the appropriate background of the time in Tokyo, the resolution is definitely enough.

    There is really little difference beyond how the background is being rendered (and given that the Mandalorin software has been released I'm sure it's what the BBC were using).

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pro vaccine DeSantis losing his court battle with the Cruise Liners about suing them for demanding proof of Vaccination

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/norwegian-cruise-says-us-judge-allows-it-ask-passengers-vaccine-proof-2021-08-09/
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821




    Governor DeSantis is pro-vaccination and Florida is not a particularly low vaxx state.

    It's not as bad as some other states, but it's still very poor compared with the countries I mentioned:

    https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/florida

    And whilst de Santis has been urging people to get jabbed, that's being seen as a betrayal by some of his base:

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/29/anti-vax-desantis-501613


  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited August 2021
    Interesting move from apple;

    https://www.ft.com/content/17013489-e88c-4345-8845-8a03b8b50f60

    They built a rod for their own back by going big on the “what happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone” marketing angle.

    You can’t say that and then do nothing about those sharing hideous abuse. These tech companies have a moral (and, IMO, should have a legal) obligation to prevent abuse being shared. The victims deserve nothing less.

    Having said that, I am worried about the slippery slope.

    On balance though, a sensible step forward.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    For those interested in BBC vs Sony / ILM approaches....its chalk and cheese.

    https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/20/how-the-mandalorian-and-ilm-invisibly-reinvented-film-and-tv-production/

    Again have you watched the BBC video and seen what the BBC actually did.

    It's not the same but it's not a amateur rip-off, it's a decent approach probably attached to 1% of the budget.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html


    When you arrived on pb you were attacked for your opening posts. This latest one is similar. Of course some are getting infected, the level of Covid in the community is high. The big difference is that the consequences of that are much, much less serious now.
    Well I'm sorry to drop a pebble into your pond of complacency but the cases are rising again and we are nowhere near herd immunity because we have refused to vaccinate kids.

    I'm allowed an opinion, y'know. At least, I hope so. It happens to be backed by the current evidence.

    I get that people 'want' things to look good. I do too. But I'm afraid that's not the way this is now heading.

    Mark my words.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724

    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    On what measure? Cases? Sure lots of infections, that thanks to vaccination are mostly nothing to worry about. On hospitals? There is pressure, but a lot of it for now is due to the after effects of Covid, not the current burden (although there are a not insignificant number of Covid patients). On deaths? A ripple set amongst the number who die everyday from other factors and are not reported each day.
    When you arrived on pb you were attacked for your opening posts. This latest one is similar. Of course some are getting infected, the level of Covid in the community is high. The big difference is that the consequences of that are much, much less serious now.
    Prof. Paul Hunter said today that we should stop obsessing about cases #s and focus on hospital numbers.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    At this moment, which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister for the United Kingdom? (9 Aug):

    Boris Johnson: 36% (-1)
    Rishi Sunak: 34% (+4)

    Changes +/- 2 Aug


    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1424785236815187976?s=21
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited August 2021
    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Completely offtopic but how the BBC Salford studio was done for the Tokyo Olympics

    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-08-09-as-the-olympics-concludes-bbc-tours-its-unreal-engine-powered-studio

    Short overview, green screen and the Unreal Game engine powering the scenario, all in all a cheap version of how the Mandalorin was done.

    Not really comparable to Mandalorin tech. Like saying an Indy game is a cheap version of the latest AAA game.
    Both are powered by the same Unreal engine - which is the point I wanted to make.

    The Mandalorin uses screens to display the background images, (they then add props as appropriate to flesh things out. The BBC uses a green screen and added the images later, so it's a far cheaper alternative...
    Still not really. One is bog standard old school green screen that has been used for donkeys years with all the limitations that go with them, Mandalorin is much much more sophisticated e.g. the scene being projected moves, lighting adapts in real time as the camera moves, the resolution is insane. Also I doubt ILM I using the off the shelf version of Unreal, just as most AAA have heavily modified versions / additions.

    Twitch streamers these days have what the BBC did. It really is nothing special.
    Have you watched the BBC video about what they did? Then compare what they say they are using with https://www.polygon.com/tv/2020/2/20/21146152/the-mandalorian-making-of-video-unreal-engine-projection-screen and whatever other mandalorian making of documents cover.

    The scene being projected moves, the lighting adapts to the appropriate background of the time in Tokyo, the resolution is definitely enough.

    There is really little difference beyond how the background is being rendered (and given that the Mandalorin software has been released I'm sure it's what the BBC were using).

    It really is totally different....see my link why. There is nothing that cutting edge about what the BBC did....It is totally standard on so many tv shows e.g NFL Redzone has had it for years.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    TimT said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Can the psephologists out there tell us: is it not fairly standard that a leader of the Opposition needs a whacking great mid term lead to have the faintest hope of winning the subsequent GE?

    Even Howard had a lead at some point didn’t he?

    Starmer hasn’t even come close.

    Yes, he’s like Ed Miliband, without the poll leads

    When it comes to the campaign, Boris will extend his lead/reduce the deficit if there is one, so Sir Keir’s party best have a 6-7 point lead by then
    In retrospect, Miliband was great! That is, in comparison with Johnson, Starmer, Corbyn, May and Cameron.

    The only other leader of the Westminster duopoly who I also think more warmly of with the passing of time is John Major. Last decent Tory. Did bloody well in Scotland I seem to recall. Didn’t interfere too much in the affairs of the Scottish Office. Old school.
    "Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband." David Cameron, 4th May 2015.

    Thank goodness Britain opted for stability and strong Government, otherwise the past six years would've been a total sh1t-show.
    Although had it been NOM, we would have the chaos of Cameron promising a referendum, the Lib Dem’s saying no, Ed saying Hell No, and UKIP demanding one.
    Cameron won his majority by shafting the LD's.He actually lost seats to Labour, although only a net of 1. What upset Milliband's applecart was the losses to the SNP.
    They'll be running that one again, I'd imagine. What do you want, Middle England, strong government with Boris continuing to Get Things Done, or weak and feeble Starmer in the pocket of that frightful Scottish woman?
    Of course they will, which is why Starmer needs to be making a positive case.

    If he wants to play negative politics about the Evil Tories, then he’s going to lose that game against more experienced players.

    Like it or not, they need to look to how Blair managed to convince a huge majority of constituencies to vote for him in 1997.
    Oh, and the Tories won’t hesitate to swap out the incumbent, if they think he’s going to be an electoral liability.

    They’ve learned that 1997 lesson, as was demonstrated in 2019. If Boris becomes the problem, he’ll be gone by next week.
    Boris is having a terrible time with self inflicted own goals and looking as if he is becoming a problem

    I would be pleased if he was replaced by next week, and hopefully conservative mps will be questioning just how long they are prepared to tolerate his ability to put his foot in it
    What is really hurting the tories is 'one rule for us, one rule for you....' On Covid. On climate change.

    Boris does not see this, or does not want to see it, but it is extremely toxic.
    As discussed earlier today, the climate change summit has a big chance of massively backfiring with the general public.

    *We* will continue to meet in public, on a hundred private jets, to discuss how *you* need to stop travelling and reduce your carbon emissions.

    If the leaders want to actually effect change, rather than enjoy the jolly, then you’ll be engaging Cisco and doing the whole thing on Webex.
    No, they still need to meet face to face. Let them all come by sailboat
    Or maybe we still need plane flights but we need to better tax and regulate industry and travel to develop technologies that allow for this travel that isn't so GHG intensive.

    Of course the anti-green brigade know this full well but would have their profits reduced by this, so are trying to turn the topic onto individual households, rather than their own massive pollution.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    For those interested in BBC vs Sony / ILM approaches....its chalk and cheese.

    https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/20/how-the-mandalorian-and-ilm-invisibly-reinvented-film-and-tv-production/

    The BBC Olympics coverage was mostly just a big old-fashioned green screen. What ILM are now doing, is projecting the scene image onto the screen, so the actors are in the actual environment.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    edited August 2021
    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    Have any of them become seriously ill?

    Because if not, that’s not a sign we’re losing the battle. Quite the contrary.
    Are you talking about my anecdotal comment or the evidential data?

    If the former, yes, two of them are seriously ill.
    That is a surprisingly high proportion for one small group.

    However, given I have met literally dozens of people who have had it and had severe symptoms short of hospitalisations, and @Foxy could go a lot further, it is also surprising you only met one who had it. Might it simply be that your social group was extremely well locked down so the effect of coming out is more pronounced?

    Case numbers are after all currently falling and so are deaths, so individual surges may be due to individual factors.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,362
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    tlg86 said:

    Apparently David Cameron made £7m out of Greensill Capital. They didn’t get much for their money.

    How much of that did they have to pay him because of the money he persuaded government minsters to funnel through the outfit? Is there a case for HMG asking for most of it back?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html


    When you arrived on pb you were attacked for your opening posts. This latest one is similar. Of course some are getting infected, the level of Covid in the community is high. The big difference is that the consequences of that are much, much less serious now.
    Well I'm sorry to drop a pebble into your pond of complacency but the cases are rising again and we are nowhere near herd immunity because we have refused to vaccinate kids.

    I'm allowed an opinion, y'know. At least, I hope so. It happens to be backed by the current evidence.

    I get that people 'want' things to look good. I do too. But I'm afraid that's not the way this is now heading.

    Mark my words.
    I’m not complacent. I want cases to fall, and I do fear rises, but as I wrote, cases are no longer the measure to follow. We are in a different phase of the pandemic in the U.K.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited August 2021
    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    Have any of them become seriously ill?

    Because if not, that’s not a sign we’re losing the battle. Quite the contrary.
    Are you talking about my anecdotal comment or the evidential data?

    If the former, yes, two of them are seriously ill.
    Case numbers are after all currently falling .
    No they aren't. That's a lie. Or a fantasy within your own bubble.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    The cases are not only increasing, they are doing so exponentially.

    As for deaths, well it really doesn't take a rocket scientists, or even someone on political betting, to work out that there's a lag between rising case numbers, hospitalisations and then deaths. Sadly.

    Anyway, I shall head off out of this echo chamber again. Some angry-seeming people on here just seem to want to shout one another down without listening to or considering alternative opinions.

    I have posted an opinion, backed by today's data, of cases rising for the past 5 days. The rolling 7-day average has increased 15% today and deaths have jumped too.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited August 2021
    Sandpit said:

    For those interested in BBC vs Sony / ILM approaches....its chalk and cheese.

    https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/20/how-the-mandalorian-and-ilm-invisibly-reinvented-film-and-tv-production/

    The BBC Olympics coverage was mostly just a big old-fashioned green screen. What ILM are now doing, is projecting the scene image onto the screen, so the actors are in the actual environment.
    Also those environments change in real time and react to what the actors are doing on the space e.g. causing shadows to form. And its full 360....

    BBC is a bit of a green screen in a corner studio.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    edited August 2021
    Aslan said:

    TimT said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Can the psephologists out there tell us: is it not fairly standard that a leader of the Opposition needs a whacking great mid term lead to have the faintest hope of winning the subsequent GE?

    Even Howard had a lead at some point didn’t he?

    Starmer hasn’t even come close.

    Yes, he’s like Ed Miliband, without the poll leads

    When it comes to the campaign, Boris will extend his lead/reduce the deficit if there is one, so Sir Keir’s party best have a 6-7 point lead by then
    In retrospect, Miliband was great! That is, in comparison with Johnson, Starmer, Corbyn, May and Cameron.

    The only other leader of the Westminster duopoly who I also think more warmly of with the passing of time is John Major. Last decent Tory. Did bloody well in Scotland I seem to recall. Didn’t interfere too much in the affairs of the Scottish Office. Old school.
    "Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband." David Cameron, 4th May 2015.

    Thank goodness Britain opted for stability and strong Government, otherwise the past six years would've been a total sh1t-show.
    Although had it been NOM, we would have the chaos of Cameron promising a referendum, the Lib Dem’s saying no, Ed saying Hell No, and UKIP demanding one.
    Cameron won his majority by shafting the LD's.He actually lost seats to Labour, although only a net of 1. What upset Milliband's applecart was the losses to the SNP.
    They'll be running that one again, I'd imagine. What do you want, Middle England, strong government with Boris continuing to Get Things Done, or weak and feeble Starmer in the pocket of that frightful Scottish woman?
    Of course they will, which is why Starmer needs to be making a positive case.

    If he wants to play negative politics about the Evil Tories, then he’s going to lose that game against more experienced players.

    Like it or not, they need to look to how Blair managed to convince a huge majority of constituencies to vote for him in 1997.
    Oh, and the Tories won’t hesitate to swap out the incumbent, if they think he’s going to be an electoral liability.

    They’ve learned that 1997 lesson, as was demonstrated in 2019. If Boris becomes the problem, he’ll be gone by next week.
    Boris is having a terrible time with self inflicted own goals and looking as if he is becoming a problem

    I would be pleased if he was replaced by next week, and hopefully conservative mps will be questioning just how long they are prepared to tolerate his ability to put his foot in it
    What is really hurting the tories is 'one rule for us, one rule for you....' On Covid. On climate change.

    Boris does not see this, or does not want to see it, but it is extremely toxic.
    As discussed earlier today, the climate change summit has a big chance of massively backfiring with the general public.

    *We* will continue to meet in public, on a hundred private jets, to discuss how *you* need to stop travelling and reduce your carbon emissions.

    If the leaders want to actually effect change, rather than enjoy the jolly, then you’ll be engaging Cisco and doing the whole thing on Webex.
    No, they still need to meet face to face. Let them all come by sailboat
    Or maybe we still need plane flights but we need to better tax and regulate industry and travel to develop technologies that allow for this travel that isn't so GHG intensive.

    Of course the anti-green brigade know this full well but would have their profits reduced by this, so are trying to turn the topic onto individual households, rather than their own massive pollution.
    So long as a hundred private jets keep turning up to climate change summits, the general public will at best be laughing at the participants.

    Doubly so after the past 18 months.

    Triply so, in the context of taking about advanced green screen technology.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Completely offtopic but how the BBC Salford studio was done for the Tokyo Olympics

    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-08-09-as-the-olympics-concludes-bbc-tours-its-unreal-engine-powered-studio

    Short overview, green screen and the Unreal Game engine powering the scenario, all in all a cheap version of how the Mandalorin was done.

    Not really comparable to Mandalorin tech. Like saying an Indy game is a cheap version of the latest AAA game.
    Both are powered by the same Unreal engine - which is the point I wanted to make.

    The Mandalorin uses screens to display the background images, (they then add props as appropriate to flesh things out. The BBC uses a green screen and added the images later, so it's a far cheaper alternative...
    Still not really. One is bog standard old school green screen that has been used for donkeys years with all the limitations that go with them, Mandalorin is much much more sophisticated e.g. the scene being projected moves, lighting adapts in real time as the camera moves, the resolution is insane. Also I doubt ILM I using the off the shelf version of Unreal, just as most AAA have heavily modified versions / additions.

    Twitch streamers these days have what the BBC did. It really is nothing special.
    Have you watched the BBC video about what they did? Then compare what they say they are using with https://www.polygon.com/tv/2020/2/20/21146152/the-mandalorian-making-of-video-unreal-engine-projection-screen and whatever other mandalorian making of documents cover.

    The scene being projected moves, the lighting adapts to the appropriate background of the time in Tokyo, the resolution is definitely enough.

    There is really little difference beyond how the background is being rendered (and given that the Mandalorin software has been released I'm sure it's what the BBC were using).

    It really is totally different....see my link why.
    You mean the 270 degree screens - apart from the lighting options it provides (which are significant but the the cost is oh boy) there actually really, really isn't....

  • Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton

    At this moment, which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister for the United Kingdom? (9 Aug):

    Boris Johnson: 43% (-1)
    Keir Starmer: 32% (+4)

    Changes +/- 2 Aug
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    edited August 2021
    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    Have any of them become seriously ill?

    Because if not, that’s not a sign we’re losing the battle. Quite the contrary.
    Are you talking about my anecdotal comment or the evidential data?

    If the former, yes, two of them are seriously ill.
    Case numbers are after all currently falling .
    No they aren't. That's a lie. Or a fantasy within your own bubble.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    The cases are not only increasing, they are doing to exponentially.

    As for deaths, well it really doesn't take a rocket scientists, or even someone on political betting, to work out that there's a lag between rising case numbers, hospitalisations and then deaths. Sadly.
    Cases are slightly up this week, fair enough. They are still massively down on June, and numbers are still low. Having been trying to rebuild a patio I haven’t been following closely.

    Even when they were rising exponentially a few weeks ago, deaths did not follow by rising in proportion.

    I think you are seeing what you expect to see. We had this conversation before, when you mistook contingency planning - a long overdue change of approach by the government - as a sign we would have a crisis and a lockdown in October.

    One other question, which I appreciate I should have been clearer about - how serious is ‘serious?’ Are they in hospital? Or just feeling very ill?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited August 2021
    Department of Health bosses posted 25,161 positive Covid tests — up 14.6 per cent on last Monday's figure

    The week-on-week percentage growth for the daily infection count has now risen for four consecutive days

    Cases had fallen consistently towards end of July, sparking hopes that the UK's third wave was fizzling out

    Separate England-only statistics have suggested Covid hospital admissions may also be on the rise again

    Meanwhile, another 37 lab-confirmed fatalities were registered today, up 54.2 per cent on last week's toll

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    Sorry. I wish it weren't so. But we can't keep pretending about the latest trends. Let's just hope it's a blip but I don't think it is.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    Have any of them become seriously ill?

    Because if not, that’s not a sign we’re losing the battle. Quite the contrary.
    Are you talking about my anecdotal comment or the evidential data?

    If the former, yes, two of them are seriously ill.
    Age? vaccination status?
  • Cases rising again, this is just like what was happening last summer and then seemingly out of nowhere we had a problem, despite lots of us warning that we were in trouble.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,829
    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    Have any of them become seriously ill?

    Because if not, that’s not a sign we’re losing the battle. Quite the contrary.
    Are you talking about my anecdotal comment or the evidential data?

    If the former, yes, two of them are seriously ill.
    Case numbers are after all currently falling .
    No they aren't. That's a lie. Or a fantasy within your own bubble.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    The cases are not only increasing, they are doing so exponentially.

    As for deaths, well it really doesn't take a rocket scientists, or even someone on political betting, to work out that there's a lag between rising case numbers, hospitalisations and then deaths. Sadly.

    Anyway, I shall head off out of this echo chamber again. Some angry-seeming people on here just seem to want to shout one another down without listening to or considering alternative opinions.

    I have posted an opinion, backed by today's data, of cases rising for the past 5 days. The rolling 7-day average has increased 15% today and deaths have jumped too.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html
    Ok let's say you're right, what are you proposing? Lockdown 4? Mandatory vaccinations? What do you think the government should do, tomorrow? What policy should be implemented?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,063
    edited August 2021
    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    28m
    Johnson vs. Starmer (9 Aug):

    Johnson Scores Best In:
    Can build a strong economy 43%
    Stands up for UK 42%
    Can bring British people together 41%

    Starmer Scores Best In:
    Good physical & mental health 39%
    Willing to work with other parties 37%

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1424782676503011332?s=20
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,829

    Cases rising again, this is just like what was happening last summer and then seemingly out of nowhere we had a problem, despite lots of us warning that we were in trouble.

    But what do you want to do about it? If vaccines aren't the answer what is the answer? Lockdown forever? No one seems to have any answers that don't result in keeping everyone locked down forever.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,459


    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton

    At this moment, which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister for the United Kingdom? (9 Aug):

    Boris Johnson: 43% (-1)
    Keir Starmer: 32% (+4)

    Changes +/- 2 Aug

    Still a healthy gap
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    MaxPB said:

    Cases rising again, this is just like what was happening last summer and then seemingly out of nowhere we had a problem, despite lots of us warning that we were in trouble.

    But what do you want to do about it? If vaccines aren't the answer what is the answer? Lockdown forever? No one seems to have any answers that don't result in keeping everyone locked down forever.
    We’re still not seeing the huge rise in hospitalisations and deaths that accompanied earlier waves.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,829
    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    Cases rising again, this is just like what was happening last summer and then seemingly out of nowhere we had a problem, despite lots of us warning that we were in trouble.

    But what do you want to do about it? If vaccines aren't the answer what is the answer? Lockdown forever? No one seems to have any answers that don't result in keeping everyone locked down forever.
    We’re still not seeing the huge rise in hospitalisations and deaths that accompanied earlier waves.
    Well I know that and so do you. There are some people who think that one person dying of COVID is one too many and we should stay locked down forever to avoid that.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,876


    Perhaps I'm being a tad harsh, but I think I'm being realistic. It's not just Covid. On every policy area, he's all over the place. He has absolutely zero to say on relations with the EU - why for example is he not pointing out the disaster of the government's utterly brain-dead refusal to recognise CE marks, which will hit both our manufacturers and consumers badly when the grace period ends in a few months? Or indeed many other areas where the UK is engaging in huge self-harm. He is not making any effort to put Labour forward as having a coherent alternative to the disastrous implementation of Brexit. He has nothing to say on the economy. He has nothing to say on social care. He flips around on Covid, managing to mangle his messaging so much that he can't decide whether the latest removal of most restrictions was too reckless or not reckless enough. He doesn't seem to understand that he needs a team behind him. Where's the Shadow Chancellor? (Who's the Shadow Chancellor? I know the answer, but I bet most people, even quite well informed people, don't).

    By now he should be ahead in the polls and beginning to build up some credibility as a possible government-in-waiting. These things can't be turned around at the last minute.

    I do agree his performance on Covid has been unimpressive at times but to be fair the Government has flipped and flopped like a beached whale on more than one occasion.

    The economy is and continues to be distorted by Covid - to paraphrase Viv Nicholson "Borrow, Borrow, Borrow" will only get us so far and to escape short-termism for a moment, the future is going to have enough problems trying to deal with climate change without having to additionally service our huge debt.

    Social Care - well, Johnson has been talking about it for three years or more, I suppose you could argue in the spirit of national interest, if Starmer has a credible and viable solution, he should put it forward. The other side of that argument is Johnson is probably going to provide a stick with which Starmer can beat him - just as May did for Corbyn in 2017.

    The wider issue (and here you are quite right) is I can't visualise what a Labour Government led by Starmer would do - what would be its leading objectives, how would it govern? Without being unkind, you could always envisage Blair as Prime Minister (ditto Cameron to an extent) in the mid-90s. You might not have agreed with is policies but you couldn't argue he didn't look or act the part.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    28m
    Johnson vs. Starmer (9 Aug):

    Johnson Scores Best In:
    Can build a strong economy 43%
    Stands up for UK 42%
    Can bring British people together 41%

    Starmer Scores Best In:
    Good physical & mental health 39%
    Willing to work with other parties 37%

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1424782676503011332?s=20

    I suppose it is possible that one day his admirers will have a Damascene conversion and the country will unite in hatred for him.

    Otherwise...that’s got to be people having a laugh.
  • MaxPB said:

    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    Have any of them become seriously ill?

    Because if not, that’s not a sign we’re losing the battle. Quite the contrary.
    Are you talking about my anecdotal comment or the evidential data?

    If the former, yes, two of them are seriously ill.
    Case numbers are after all currently falling .
    No they aren't. That's a lie. Or a fantasy within your own bubble.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    The cases are not only increasing, they are doing so exponentially.

    As for deaths, well it really doesn't take a rocket scientists, or even someone on political betting, to work out that there's a lag between rising case numbers, hospitalisations and then deaths. Sadly.

    Anyway, I shall head off out of this echo chamber again. Some angry-seeming people on here just seem to want to shout one another down without listening to or considering alternative opinions.

    I have posted an opinion, backed by today's data, of cases rising for the past 5 days. The rolling 7-day average has increased 15% today and deaths have jumped too.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html
    Ok let's say you're right, what are you proposing? Lockdown 4? Mandatory vaccinations? What do you think the government should do, tomorrow? What policy should be implemented?
    Execution of antivaxxers is the only solution.

  • Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton

    At this moment, which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister for the United Kingdom? (9 Aug):

    Boris Johnson: 43% (-1)
    Keir Starmer: 32% (+4)

    Changes +/- 2 Aug

    Still a healthy gap
    The polls are tightening but if you monitor the local election results labour's performances to date have been dire and little sign of improvement
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839

    Cases rising again, this is just like what was happening last summer and then seemingly out of nowhere we had a problem, despite lots of us warning that we were in trouble.

    Don't panic Mr Mainwaring :smile:

    Seriously, just because they've started trickling up again it doesn't follow that they're going to increase to infinity. What you're going to get as we gradually settle into a more stable situation is the cases fluctuating up a bit, down a bit, back up, back down...

    I wouldn't be unduly concerned unless or until we arrive at a sharp and sustained rise in hospital numbers, but I'm not expecting disaster or anywhere close. The vaccines are too effective and coverage, especially amongst the vulnerable, is, as we are all aware by now, very high indeed.

    Or, to put it another way, were you expecting cases to decline to zero? Because, unless either the disease is eradicated like smallpox or the caseload remains billiard table flat forever, they must necessarily go back up at some point.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    Have any of them become seriously ill?

    Because if not, that’s not a sign we’re losing the battle. Quite the contrary.
    Are you talking about my anecdotal comment or the evidential data?

    If the former, yes, two of them are seriously ill.
    Case numbers are after all currently falling .
    No they aren't. That's a lie. Or a fantasy within your own bubble.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    The cases are not only increasing, they are doing so exponentially.

    As for deaths, well it really doesn't take a rocket scientists, or even someone on political betting, to work out that there's a lag between rising case numbers, hospitalisations and then deaths. Sadly.

    Anyway, I shall head off out of this echo chamber again. Some angry-seeming people on here just seem to want to shout one another down without listening to or considering alternative opinions.

    I have posted an opinion, backed by today's data, of cases rising for the past 5 days. The rolling 7-day average has increased 15% today and deaths have jumped too.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html
    You don’t seem to want to engage on my argument for why cases matter so much less? On the narrow definition of the las5 few days yes cases are going up. That’s not a surprise. Three weeks ago England removed all legal restrictions. Think on that. We are close to normal, with a very transmissible variant, yet with no legal restrictions, and cases are have gently risen. All the while more vaccinations are going on and same are getting immunity via infection. We are in a much better place than at any time since March 2020.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    edited August 2021

    MaxPB said:

    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    Have any of them become seriously ill?

    Because if not, that’s not a sign we’re losing the battle. Quite the contrary.
    Are you talking about my anecdotal comment or the evidential data?

    If the former, yes, two of them are seriously ill.
    Case numbers are after all currently falling .
    No they aren't. That's a lie. Or a fantasy within your own bubble.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    The cases are not only increasing, they are doing so exponentially.

    As for deaths, well it really doesn't take a rocket scientists, or even someone on political betting, to work out that there's a lag between rising case numbers, hospitalisations and then deaths. Sadly.

    Anyway, I shall head off out of this echo chamber again. Some angry-seeming people on here just seem to want to shout one another down without listening to or considering alternative opinions.

    I have posted an opinion, backed by today's data, of cases rising for the past 5 days. The rolling 7-day average has increased 15% today and deaths have jumped too.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html
    Ok let's say you're right, what are you proposing? Lockdown 4? Mandatory vaccinations? What do you think the government should do, tomorrow? What policy should be implemented?
    Execution of antivaxxers is the only solution.
    Has nico hacked your account, or have you just seen an anti vaxxer eating pineapple pizza while dissing Star Wars and betting on Max Verstappen?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    MaxPB said:

    Cases rising again, this is just like what was happening last summer and then seemingly out of nowhere we had a problem, despite lots of us warning that we were in trouble.

    But what do you want to do about it? If vaccines aren't the answer what is the answer? Lockdown forever? No one seems to have any answers that don't result in keeping everyone locked down forever.
    Once everyone has had a chance to be vaccinated (it's annoying that we haven't done the 12-17 age group though) we really do need to let it rip. For there is nothing more we can do to protect people....
  • ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    Have any of them become seriously ill?

    Because if not, that’s not a sign we’re losing the battle. Quite the contrary.
    Are you talking about my anecdotal comment or the evidential data?

    If the former, yes, two of them are seriously ill.
    Case numbers are after all currently falling .
    No they aren't. That's a lie. Or a fantasy within your own bubble.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    The cases are not only increasing, they are doing so exponentially.

    As for deaths, well it really doesn't take a rocket scientists, or even someone on political betting, to work out that there's a lag between rising case numbers, hospitalisations and then deaths. Sadly.

    Anyway, I shall head off out of this echo chamber again. Some angry-seeming people on here just seem to want to shout one another down without listening to or considering alternative opinions.

    I have posted an opinion, backed by today's data, of cases rising for the past 5 days. The rolling 7-day average has increased 15% today and deaths have jumped too.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html
    Ok let's say you're right, what are you proposing? Lockdown 4? Mandatory vaccinations? What do you think the government should do, tomorrow? What policy should be implemented?
    Execution of antivaxxers is the only solution.
    Has nico hacked your account, or have you just seen an anti vaxxer eating pineapple pizza while dissing Star Wars and betting on Max Verstappen?
    No, I've always been anti antivaxxers.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited August 2021
    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Completely offtopic but how the BBC Salford studio was done for the Tokyo Olympics

    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-08-09-as-the-olympics-concludes-bbc-tours-its-unreal-engine-powered-studio

    Short overview, green screen and the Unreal Game engine powering the scenario, all in all a cheap version of how the Mandalorin was done.

    Not really comparable to Mandalorin tech. Like saying an Indy game is a cheap version of the latest AAA game.
    Both are powered by the same Unreal engine - which is the point I wanted to make.

    The Mandalorin uses screens to display the background images, (they then add props as appropriate to flesh things out. The BBC uses a green screen and added the images later, so it's a far cheaper alternative...
    Still not really. One is bog standard old school green screen that has been used for donkeys years with all the limitations that go with them, Mandalorin is much much more sophisticated e.g. the scene being projected moves, lighting adapts in real time as the camera moves, the resolution is insane. Also I doubt ILM I using the off the shelf version of Unreal, just as most AAA have heavily modified versions / additions.

    Twitch streamers these days have what the BBC did. It really is nothing special.
    Have you watched the BBC video about what they did? Then compare what they say they are using with https://www.polygon.com/tv/2020/2/20/21146152/the-mandalorian-making-of-video-unreal-engine-projection-screen and whatever other mandalorian making of documents cover.

    The scene being projected moves, the lighting adapts to the appropriate background of the time in Tokyo, the resolution is definitely enough.

    There is really little difference beyond how the background is being rendered (and given that the Mandalorin software has been released I'm sure it's what the BBC were using).

    It really is totally different....see my link why.
    You mean the 270 degree screens - apart from the lighting options it provides (which are significant but the the cost is oh boy) there actually really, really isn't....
    There is loads of difference...but even at base level, nobody really thought they were actually atop a skyscraper in Tokyo looking at the skyline....it looks like computer graphics...the Mandalorin, its impossible to tell what was (if any) was on a location and what was on the stage...

    As I say, NFL redzone has had exactly what the BBC had for years.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Cases rising again, this is just like what was happening last summer and then seemingly out of nowhere we had a problem, despite lots of us warning that we were in trouble.

    Vaccination. That is the difference between now and then.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    28m
    Johnson vs. Starmer (9 Aug):

    Johnson Scores Best In:
    Can build a strong economy 43%
    Stands up for UK 42%
    Can bring British people together 41%

    Starmer Scores Best In:
    Good physical & mental health 39%
    Willing to work with other parties 37%

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1424782676503011332?s=20

    So, Starmer is fit and available. Sounds good to me.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    Have any of them become seriously ill?

    Because if not, that’s not a sign we’re losing the battle. Quite the contrary.
    Are you talking about my anecdotal comment or the evidential data?

    If the former, yes, two of them are seriously ill.
    Case numbers are after all currently falling .
    No they aren't. That's a lie. Or a fantasy within your own bubble.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    The cases are not only increasing, they are doing so exponentially.

    As for deaths, well it really doesn't take a rocket scientists, or even someone on political betting, to work out that there's a lag between rising case numbers, hospitalisations and then deaths. Sadly.

    Anyway, I shall head off out of this echo chamber again. Some angry-seeming people on here just seem to want to shout one another down without listening to or considering alternative opinions.

    I have posted an opinion, backed by today's data, of cases rising for the past 5 days. The rolling 7-day average has increased 15% today and deaths have jumped too.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html
    Ok let's say you're right, what are you proposing? Lockdown 4? Mandatory vaccinations? What do you think the government should do, tomorrow? What policy should be implemented?
    Execution of antivaxxers is the only solution.
    Has nico hacked your account, or have you just seen an anti vaxxer eating pineapple pizza while dissing Star Wars and betting on Max Verstappen?
    No, I've always been anti antivaxxers.
    Quite a jump from disliking them to shooting them.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Well offtopic, F1:

    Aston Martin have had their appeal thrown out, after admitting the Seb Vettel’s car ran out of fuel.

    https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021 Hungarian Grand Prix - Decision - Aston Martin - Right of review.pdf
  • pigeon said:

    Cases rising again, this is just like what was happening last summer and then seemingly out of nowhere we had a problem, despite lots of us warning that we were in trouble.

    Don't panic Mr Mainwaring :smile:

    Seriously, just because they've started trickling up again it doesn't follow that they're going to increase to infinity. What you're going to get as we gradually settle into a more stable situation is the cases fluctuating up a bit, down a bit, back up, back down...

    I wouldn't be unduly concerned unless or until we arrive at a sharp and sustained rise in hospital numbers, but I'm not expecting disaster or anywhere close. The vaccines are too effective and coverage, especially amongst the vulnerable, is, as we are all aware by now, very high indeed.

    Or, to put it another way, were you expecting cases to decline to zero? Because, unless either the disease is eradicated like smallpox or the caseload remains billiard table flat forever, they must necessarily go back up at some point.
    Having watched the Welsh and Scottish news tonight and the activity in the night clubs with largely very young people (they are to me) if there is not an increase in cases in the young then I would be very surprised indeed

    Is it not the case that an increase in cases was expected after freedom day
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    Sandpit said:

    Well offtopic, F1:

    Aston Martin have had their appeal thrown out, after admitting the Seb Vettel’s car ran out of fuel.

    https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021 Hungarian Grand Prix - Decision - Aston Martin - Right of review.pdf

    Lewis Hamilton is having the most extraordinary run of luck right now.

    You wonder if it’s all going to go horribly wrong at once for him...
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited August 2021
    stodge said:


    [snip]
    The wider issue (and here you are quite right) is I can't visualise what a Labour Government led by Starmer would do - what would be its leading objectives, how would it govern? Without being unkind, you could always envisage Blair as Prime Minister (ditto Cameron to an extent) in the mid-90s. You might not have agreed with is policies but you couldn't argue he didn't look or act the part.

    That's exactly the point I'm making, although I'd make a distinction between the personal and the policy aspects. As regards Starmer personally, I can easily envisage him as PM in a way that I certainly couldn't envisage Corbyn, or even Ed Miliband. It's easy to picture Starmer at a press conference with Angela Merkel or appearing on TV in response to some national crisis, and doing a solid job at it. The difficulty is as you say is more about envisaging what a Starmer government would actually be for. That's where the team (or lack of one) comes in, but ultimately it's a failure of his leadership. He just doesn't seem to 'get' politics or have any identifiable position on anything much.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    COVID vaccination rates by age in the US (in blue) compared to England (in red) - double jabbed in darker colours.

    The US has better coverage in the youngest age groups, but much worse coverage in older ages.

    As COVID risks vary so much with age, this is bad news for the US.



    https://twitter.com/VictimOfMaths/status/1424788095485071367?s=20
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Just read Greenshill & Cameron scammed the taxpayer out of £320m

    Astonishing.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,063
    edited August 2021
    kinabalu said:

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    28m
    Johnson vs. Starmer (9 Aug):

    Johnson Scores Best In:
    Can build a strong economy 43%
    Stands up for UK 42%
    Can bring British people together 41%

    Starmer Scores Best In:
    Good physical & mental health 39%
    Willing to work with other parties 37%

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1424782676503011332?s=20

    So, Starmer is fit and available. Sounds good to me.
    Depends what he is fit and available for to be honest !!!!!!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161

    COVID vaccination rates by age in the US (in blue) compared to England (in red) - double jabbed in darker colours.

    The US has better coverage in the youngest age groups, but much worse coverage in older ages.

    As COVID risks vary so much with age, this is bad news for the US.



    https://twitter.com/VictimOfMaths/status/1424788095485071367?s=20

    That's a fabulous chart. The US has a particular problem with those in the 40 to 60 year old range, which is just when Covid starts getting dangerous.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724
    eek said:

    Completely offtopic but how the BBC Salford studio was done for the Tokyo Olympics

    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-08-09-as-the-olympics-concludes-bbc-tours-its-unreal-engine-powered-studio

    Short overview, green screen and the Unreal Game engine powering the scenario, all in all a cheap version of how the Mandalorin was done.

    OMG. I had no idea. Incredible.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,636
    edited August 2021
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    At the risk of getting shouted down, I think the UK is currently losing the battle against covid. The evidence is growing. Anecdotally I also know several people who have caught it in the past fortnight whereas I've only known one in the previous 18 months.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    Have any of them become seriously ill?

    Because if not, that’s not a sign we’re losing the battle. Quite the contrary.
    Are you talking about my anecdotal comment or the evidential data?

    If the former, yes, two of them are seriously ill.
    Case numbers are after all currently falling .
    No they aren't. That's a lie. Or a fantasy within your own bubble.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html

    The cases are not only increasing, they are doing so exponentially.

    As for deaths, well it really doesn't take a rocket scientists, or even someone on political betting, to work out that there's a lag between rising case numbers, hospitalisations and then deaths. Sadly.

    Anyway, I shall head off out of this echo chamber again. Some angry-seeming people on here just seem to want to shout one another down without listening to or considering alternative opinions.

    I have posted an opinion, backed by today's data, of cases rising for the past 5 days. The rolling 7-day average has increased 15% today and deaths have jumped too.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9877119/Britains-daily-increase-Covid-cases-SPEEDING-UP.html
    Ok let's say you're right, what are you proposing? Lockdown 4? Mandatory vaccinations? What do you think the government should do, tomorrow? What policy should be implemented?
    Execution of antivaxxers is the only solution.
    Has nico hacked your account, or have you just seen an anti vaxxer eating pineapple pizza while dissing Star Wars and betting on Max Verstappen?
    No, I've always been anti antivaxxers.
    Quite a jump from disliking them to shooting them.
    There's a pandemic on.

    Extraordinary times require extraordinary measures.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930

    I'm going to have nightmares for the rest of my days.



    What next, “let’s discuss pineapple pizza”?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159


    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton

    At this moment, which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister for the United Kingdom? (9 Aug):

    Boris Johnson: 43% (-1)
    Keir Starmer: 32% (+4)

    Changes +/- 2 Aug

    Still a healthy gap
    An UNhealthy gap. 🤨
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    Not surprised cases are rising. In my local area you are seeing less and less masks and distancing. The initial 'i will keep wearing them for a bit' seems to have worn off.

    A number of my colleagues vaccinated at the same time as me: December for first dose and March second dose are coming down with the Covid. Nobody seriously unwell, but alarming that I am seeing colleagues around me getting it for the first time despite being double vaccinated.

    Busy times at work, Flu and Booster preparation well under way.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843
    edited August 2021
    Cases are rising?

    09-08-21 25,161
    08-08-21 27,429
    07-08-21 28,612
    06-08-21 31,808

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well offtopic, F1:

    Aston Martin have had their appeal thrown out, after admitting the Seb Vettel’s car ran out of fuel.

    https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021 Hungarian Grand Prix - Decision - Aston Martin - Right of review.pdf

    Lewis Hamilton is having the most extraordinary run of luck right now.

    You wonder if it’s all going to go horribly wrong at once for him...
    He’s had a couple of lucky races, and his principal opponent has also had a couple of lucky races.

    One American racing driver had the book to throw at MV for the Silverstone accident, in contrast to a lot of other F1 commentators, when giving a briefing to a bunch of first-time track day guys.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=ukMJcji7DBM
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,829
    jonny83 said:

    Not surprised cases are rising. In my local area you are seeing less and less masks and distancing. The initial 'i will keep wearing them for a bit' seems to have worn off.

    A number of my colleagues vaccinated at the same time as me: December for first dose and March second dose are coming down with the Covid. Nobody seriously unwell, but alarming that I am seeing colleagues around me getting it for the first time despite being double vaccinated.

    Busy times at work, Flu and Booster preparation well under way.

    Isn't it better to get the COVID cases out of the way now rather than have them in November and December? If we end up 4m cases+vaccines in the next 8 weeks the pandemic is over. We'll be at herd immunity.
  • DeClareDeClare Posts: 483
    Labour almost caught up with the Tories in December, but the vaccine rollout soon put paid to that. I can't think of any reason for Labour's latest mini spike but history teaches us that the opposition should be well ahead at this point in the cycle if they are to have any chance of winning.
    With the large Tory majority, Labour would have to miles clear now to overturn it and win in 2024.
    Back in 2003. Blair's New Labour still had a huge majority but they were well behind in the polls and although the Tories gained a lot of seats, Blair still won comfortably enough in 2005.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    jonny83 said:

    Not surprised cases are rising. In my local area you are seeing less and less masks and distancing. The initial 'i will keep wearing them for a bit' seems to have worn off.

    A number of my colleagues vaccinated at the same time as me: December for first dose and March second dose are coming down with the Covid. Nobody seriously unwell, but alarming that I am seeing colleagues around me getting it for the first time despite being double vaccinated.

    Busy times at work, Flu and Booster preparation well under way.

    Does anyone have a market on whether we might get record take up for the flu jab this winter?
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727

    I'm going to have nightmares for the rest of my days.



    At least it wasn't "let's do porn"!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724

    I'm going to have nightmares for the rest of my days.



    Which one of them is the expert interviewee?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    Selebian said:

    I'm going to have nightmares for the rest of my days.



    At least it wasn't "let's do porn"!
    If they stripped off, there would be five tits exposed.
  • I'm going to have nightmares for the rest of my days.



    Which one of them is the expert interviewee?
    The cheap and easy answer is Nigel Farage because he's such a wanker.

    I mean see his comments about the RNLI or AIDS sufferers.
  • ping said:

    Interesting move from apple;

    https://www.ft.com/content/17013489-e88c-4345-8845-8a03b8b50f60

    They built a rod for their own back by going big on the “what happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone” marketing angle.

    You can’t say that and then do nothing about those sharing hideous abuse. These tech companies have a moral (and, IMO, should have a legal) obligation to prevent abuse being shared. The victims deserve nothing less.

    Having said that, I am worried about the slippery slope.

    On balance though, a sensible step forward.

    Agreed. What next? Terrorist bomb-making instructions? ISIL beheading videos? Hong Kong pro-democracy advocacy? That Bullingdon photo of Boris and David Cameron?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    DeClare said:

    Labour almost caught up with the Tories in December, but the vaccine rollout soon put paid to that. I can't think of any reason for Labour's latest mini spike but history teaches us that the opposition should be well ahead at this point in the cycle if they are to have any chance of winning.
    With the large Tory majority, Labour would have to miles clear now to overturn it and win in 2024.
    Back in 2003. Blair's New Labour still had a huge majority but they were well behind in the polls and although the Tories gained a lot of seats, Blair still won comfortably enough in 2005.

    They were hardly ‘well behind.’ 20 months after the 2001 election there were two polls either side of the 2004 new year which put the Tories on 40% and Labour on 31 and 35. But that was pretty much the only time until November 2004 the gap between the two either way was bigger than MoE.

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-2001-2005
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,636
    edited August 2021
    Let us not forget that Nigel Farage has his own OnlyFans account.



  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    DeClare said:

    Labour almost caught up with the Tories in December, but the vaccine rollout soon put paid to that. I can't think of any reason for Labour's latest mini spike but history teaches us that the opposition should be well ahead at this point in the cycle if they are to have any chance of winning.
    With the large Tory majority, Labour would have to miles clear now to overturn it and win in 2024.
    Back in 2003. Blair's New Labour still had a huge majority but they were well behind in the polls and although the Tories gained a lot of seats, Blair still won comfortably enough in 2005.

    It all depends on your definition of comfortable. Labour's 36% share of the vote in 2005 was a one-off "comfortable".
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,648
    rcs1000 said:

    COVID vaccination rates by age in the US (in blue) compared to England (in red) - double jabbed in darker colours.

    The US has better coverage in the youngest age groups, but much worse coverage in older ages.

    As COVID risks vary so much with age, this is bad news for the US.



    https://twitter.com/VictimOfMaths/status/1424788095485071367?s=20

    That's a fabulous chart. The US has a particular problem with those in the 40 to 60 year old range, which is just when Covid starts getting dangerous.
    The vaccination rate in the 50+ age group will probably be the biggest factor in which countries do best in the return to normality phase of the pandemic. Making up the numbers with teenagers will give a misleadingly rosy picture of a country's preparedness.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,648

    Let us not forget that Nigel Farage has his own OnlyFans account.

    As opposed to David Cameron, whose only fans are you and Richard Nabavi.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400

    Let us not forget that Nigel Farage has his own OnlyFans account.

    *Edited for reasons of pubic decency.*

    Do you mind? Some of us have just eaten.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    edited August 2021

    Cases are rising?

    09-08-21 25,161
    08-08-21 27,429
    07-08-21 28,612
    06-08-21 31,808

    Only if you look at the moving 7 day average. Which indicates to me that they went up faster than they are falling.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,134

    Cases rising again, this is just like what was happening last summer and then seemingly out of nowhere we had a problem, despite lots of us warning that we were in trouble.

    Around here they never really seemed to fall in the first place: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=ltla&areaName=Cambridge -- bouncing around about 60 cases a day since the beginning of June. Some of that I guess is end of university term reducing the population of young asymptomatic-but-tested-anyway people at about the point where we would otherwise have seen more of a peak the way the UK wide figures do. But it does leave me wondering whether looking at the all-UK graph is a representative picture, or if different parts of the country are seeing notably different local situations...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited August 2021

    I'm going to have nightmares for the rest of my days.



    Which one of them is the expert interviewee?
    The cheap and easy answer is Nigel Farage because he's such a wanker.

    I mean see his comments about the RNLI or AIDS sufferers.
    ...and he's spanking SkyNews's arses on tv every weekday at 7pm
  • Let us not forget that Nigel Farage has his own OnlyFans account.

    As opposed to David Cameron, whose only fans are you and Richard Nabavi.
    There's plenty of us still about judging by the WhatsApp groups I'm part of.

    Currently we're like the Jedi in exile after the Revenge of the Sith.

    But we will be back.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    isam said:

    I'm going to have nightmares for the rest of my days.



    Which one of them is the expert interviewee?
    The cheap and easy answer is Nigel Farage because he's such a wanker.

    I mean see his comments about the RNLI or AIDS sufferers.
    ...and he's spanking SkyNews's arses on tv every weekday at 7pm
    Another image I could have done without.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    ydoethur said:

    jonny83 said:

    Not surprised cases are rising. In my local area you are seeing less and less masks and distancing. The initial 'i will keep wearing them for a bit' seems to have worn off.

    A number of my colleagues vaccinated at the same time as me: December for first dose and March second dose are coming down with the Covid. Nobody seriously unwell, but alarming that I am seeing colleagues around me getting it for the first time despite being double vaccinated.

    Busy times at work, Flu and Booster preparation well under way.

    Does anyone have a market on whether we might get record take up for the flu jab this winter?
    I think more people will be offered it than ever and they would be wise to take it. Lot of people really worried about Flu this year and the fear that a bad flu season combined with another Covid surge this winter could cause massive strain on health services.

    An article in the Guardian a few weeks ago said a record 35 million could be offered a flu jab this year:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/17/record-35m-people-will-be-offered-free-flu-jab-to-ease-pressure-on-nhs

    To put that number into context a record 19 million had the flu jab in 2020.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,965
    edited August 2021

    Let us not forget that Nigel Farage has his own OnlyFans account.

    As opposed to David Cameron, whose only fans are you and Richard Nabavi.
    There's plenty of us still about judging by the WhatsApp groups I'm part of.

    Currently we're like the Jedi in exile after the Revenge of the Sith.

    But we will be back.
    More powerful than we can possibly imagine?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    jonny83 said:

    ydoethur said:

    jonny83 said:

    Not surprised cases are rising. In my local area you are seeing less and less masks and distancing. The initial 'i will keep wearing them for a bit' seems to have worn off.

    A number of my colleagues vaccinated at the same time as me: December for first dose and March second dose are coming down with the Covid. Nobody seriously unwell, but alarming that I am seeing colleagues around me getting it for the first time despite being double vaccinated.

    Busy times at work, Flu and Booster preparation well under way.

    Does anyone have a market on whether we might get record take up for the flu jab this winter?
    I think more people will be offered it than ever and they would be wise to take it. Lot of people really worried about Flu this year and the fear that a bad flu season combined with another Covid surge this winter could cause massive strain on health services.

    An article in the Guardian a few weeks ago said a record 35 million could be offered a flu jab this year:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/17/record-35m-people-will-be-offered-free-flu-jab-to-ease-pressure-on-nhs

    To put that number into context a record 19 million had the flu jab in 2020.
    My school offered it to all staff.

    We have to pay but I signed up. So did most others, I think. Seems an absolute no-brainer.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    rcs1000 said:

    COVID vaccination rates by age in the US (in blue) compared to England (in red) - double jabbed in darker colours.

    The US has better coverage in the youngest age groups, but much worse coverage in older ages.

    As COVID risks vary so much with age, this is bad news for the US.



    https://twitter.com/VictimOfMaths/status/1424788095485071367?s=20

    That's a fabulous chart. The US has a particular problem with those in the 40 to 60 year old range, which is just when Covid starts getting dangerous.
    The vaccination rate in the 50+ age group will probably be the biggest factor in which countries do best in the return to normality phase of the pandemic. Making up the numbers with teenagers will give a misleadingly rosy picture of a country's preparedness.
    Like the Grauniad's gloating article on how 6 EU countries have now overtaken the UK in vaccination. It leaves out that they are comparing total population vaccination where the EU is vaccinating teenagers and the UK is not.

    At this point, the key is the vaccination ceiling - where it is going to end up in each of the at-risk vulnerability cohorts.

    This should not be a race - we should be hoping every country does well. Fortunately, the UK is doing very well.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    Let us not forget that Nigel Farage has his own OnlyFans account.

    As opposed to David Cameron, whose only fans are you and Richard Nabavi.
    There's plenty of us still about judging by the WhatsApp groups I'm part of.

    Currently we're like the Jedi in exile after the Revenge of the Sith.

    But we will be back.
    Who will be your next Tory leader?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    pm215 said:

    Cases rising again, this is just like what was happening last summer and then seemingly out of nowhere we had a problem, despite lots of us warning that we were in trouble.

    Around here they never really seemed to fall in the first place: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=ltla&areaName=Cambridge -- bouncing around about 60 cases a day since the beginning of June. Some of that I guess is end of university term reducing the population of young asymptomatic-but-tested-anyway people at about the point where we would otherwise have seen more of a peak the way the UK wide figures do. But it does leave me wondering whether looking at the all-UK graph is a representative picture, or if different parts of the country are seeing notably different local situations...
    It is a fairly consistent uptick across regions:
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    ydoethur said:

    jonny83 said:

    ydoethur said:

    jonny83 said:

    Not surprised cases are rising. In my local area you are seeing less and less masks and distancing. The initial 'i will keep wearing them for a bit' seems to have worn off.

    A number of my colleagues vaccinated at the same time as me: December for first dose and March second dose are coming down with the Covid. Nobody seriously unwell, but alarming that I am seeing colleagues around me getting it for the first time despite being double vaccinated.

    Busy times at work, Flu and Booster preparation well under way.

    Does anyone have a market on whether we might get record take up for the flu jab this winter?
    I think more people will be offered it than ever and they would be wise to take it. Lot of people really worried about Flu this year and the fear that a bad flu season combined with another Covid surge this winter could cause massive strain on health services.

    An article in the Guardian a few weeks ago said a record 35 million could be offered a flu jab this year:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/17/record-35m-people-will-be-offered-free-flu-jab-to-ease-pressure-on-nhs

    To put that number into context a record 19 million had the flu jab in 2020.
    My school offered it to all staff.

    We have to pay but I signed up. So did most others, I think. Seems an absolute no-brainer.
    I’m ‘lucky’ enough to be asthmatic plus an ex cancer patient so I get the flu jab every year. Why wouldn’t you? I’ve only ever had flu once and it was horrible.
  • tlg86 said:

    Let us not forget that Nigel Farage has his own OnlyFans account.

    As opposed to David Cameron, whose only fans are you and Richard Nabavi.
    There's plenty of us still about judging by the WhatsApp groups I'm part of.

    Currently we're like the Jedi in exile after the Revenge of the Sith.

    But we will be back.
    Who will be your next Tory leader?
    Jeremy Hunt if I'm lucky.
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