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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    One imagines the Gulf Strem collapse would leave the UK with a similar continental climate comparable with Petropavlosk with the North Sea doubling as the Sea of Okhotsk:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky?wprov=sfla1

    Apparently not.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/01/modeling-what-would-happen-to-the-uk-if-the-gulf-stream-shuts-down/
    ...Things are quite a bit different if the AMOC shuts down. Rather than rising, temperatures would actually drop by an average of 3.4°C. That drop would occur on a gradient, with northern Scotland cooling the most and southern England seeing the least impact and therefore seeing conditions similar to what it currently experiences. But, more dramatically, rainfall during the growing season is expected to drop by 123mm. That drop is enough to reduce the UK's percentage of arable land from 32 percent to just seven percent. Obviously, this would cause a big hit to the UK's agricultural productivity. Irrigation could again offset this, but the scale of the changes needed would be far larger; the authors estimate adding this irrigation at ten times the value of the crops that would be produced. But they note that it's not clear if the UK would have enough water to spare to fully reverse the loss of rain....

    Though given the huge uncertainties in modelling climate/weather, who knows ?
    Malcom's turnip season would be significantly truncated, I expect.
    Thanks Nigelb, fascinating link!

    England would become even more dependent on Welsh and Scottish water.
    Bless. The enduring Scottish fantasy of the English dying of thirst after Scottish independence. However there is a flaw in your cunning plan. We don’t rely on Scottish water, nor (for most of the country) Welsh. Eg -


    https://www.anglianwater.co.uk/help-and-advice/drinking-water-advice/where-your-water-comes-from/

    While it’s nice for you lovely eliminationist Anglophobes to believe, England does not import water from Scotland, so your gentle civic nationalism will have to fantasise a new way of offing us all.
    It does import water.

    https://highlandspring.com/

    And I suspect confusion may have been caused by a certain B. Johnson's scheme to drain water from Scotland so the denizens of Croydon etc could fill their swimming pools without SE Water fixing the mains leaks (I paraphrase, but you get the gist).
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,876
    HYUFD said:


    There are no winners really from climate change, except maybe northern European seaside resorts in summer

    The northern coast of Scotland is stunningly beautiful - once you get Douneray out of the way.

    I'm now sounding like @Leon - God help me !!

    Buy up in Totegan - you'll make a fortune.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662

    Quincel said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's not just the racial attitudes of the 19thC that the US right are embracing...

    Florida woman who's an antimasker "wants to promote health the way her generation’s grandparents experienced it. 'When they got sick, they didn’t need the crutch of pharmaceuticals or antibiotics to get better. They just got sick and they got well.'”
    https://twitter.com/BGrueskin/status/1422760495631716353

    (Though it should be noted that vaccination of sorts was a thing back then, too.)

    What's particularly funny about that (apart from the obvious point that when they got sick, a lot of them died) is that the loony Florida woman's lawsuit is about the wearing of masks on planes. I mean, if she wants to be like her grandparents' generation, why the hell is she flying anywhere in the first place?
    My grandparents flew to the south of France for their honeymoon…
    My grandparents lived in Derby. Just before the war, they bought a small cottage in Twyford, on the Trent, to holiday in. The cottage, which they used for holidays and weekends away, is about five miles from the city centre. AFAIAA, they did not have a car, and that five miles was as far as they could practically get with any regularity, given they had one kid and my dad on the way.

    Oddly enough, many of my family still live within a few miles of there, and I was born just a mile away, right by the Trent and Mersey Canal.
    Growing up in Devon I knew people for whom a trip to Bristol was a once in a lifetime event, and the furthest they ever went from home.
    I'd love to see it again, but back in the early 1990's there was a segment on TV news in London about a woman in her eighties who had never left the Isle of Dogs. All through the roaring twenties, the depression, the war, the swinging sixties; she had remained on the isle. Despite it's wonderful transport links (even in the seventies and eighties), she had never been tempted out.

    ISTR she was taken into the city to see shows and meet someone important.
    This column in the ever-entertaining 'Guardian Experiences' column is purportedly about a man who eats the same dinner every day but is really about his love of the Welsh valley he lives in: And has left precisely once in his life, 30 years ago, for a trip to a different farm.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/apr/16/experience-ive-had-the-same-supper-for-10-years
    I think there's something about farmers. A distant relative of mine was born, raised, and lives on, a farm. For nearly thirty years he has worked in the nearest city, about ten miles away. A few years back another relative got a phone call from him. He was in tears as he had two routes into work, and both were blocked off for roadworks.

    There were plenty of diversionary routes (it is in the Midlands), but the thought of using a different route had driven him to tears.

    Perhaps it is because farmers are used to a regular rhythm, both through the day and the year.
    A friend of mine in Portsmouth took her grandmother to London for a significant birthday (80th, 90th, something like that) ten years ago. As the train went under the A27, grandma said it was the first time she'd ever left Portsea Island. Said the island had everything she needed.
    London was apparently alright - but she wasn't bothered about going again.
    I was doing a locum in Cornwall some years ago, and saw a farmer patient in his eighties. I asked him when he had first noticed symptoms. He said 1948, but had been rather busy.

    He had left Cornwall once, to go to an agricultural show in Dorset, but he said that he couldn't enjoy it as he was worried about his cattle.

    I envy people with such attachment to place, much as I love my adopted city.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,362
    Kane might have to go to Man Utd (to still not win anything) to save himself from the embarrassment of having to back down.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    ydoethur said:

    More to the point Cummings really is a shit.. dishing his version of dirt and trying to diss their marriage.. nasty, really nasty.

    Can I continue to be smug about the fact I’ve been saying this for 7 years?
    Of course you can. Smugness or should I say the ability to be smug at any moment is a prerequisite to post on here.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930
    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    One imagines the Gulf Strem collapse would leave the UK with a similar continental climate comparable with Petropavlosk with the North Sea doubling as the Sea of Okhotsk:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky?wprov=sfla1

    Apparently not.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/01/modeling-what-would-happen-to-the-uk-if-the-gulf-stream-shuts-down/
    ...Things are quite a bit different if the AMOC shuts down. Rather than rising, temperatures would actually drop by an average of 3.4°C. That drop would occur on a gradient, with northern Scotland cooling the most and southern England seeing the least impact and therefore seeing conditions similar to what it currently experiences. But, more dramatically, rainfall during the growing season is expected to drop by 123mm. That drop is enough to reduce the UK's percentage of arable land from 32 percent to just seven percent. Obviously, this would cause a big hit to the UK's agricultural productivity. Irrigation could again offset this, but the scale of the changes needed would be far larger; the authors estimate adding this irrigation at ten times the value of the crops that would be produced. But they note that it's not clear if the UK would have enough water to spare to fully reverse the loss of rain....

    Though given the huge uncertainties in modelling climate/weather, who knows ?
    Malcom's turnip season would be significantly truncated, I expect.
    Thanks Nigelb, fascinating link!

    England would become even more dependent on Welsh and Scottish water.
    Bless. The enduring Scottish fantasy of the English dying of thirst after Scottish independence. However there is a flaw in your cunning plan. We don’t rely on Scottish water, nor (for most of the country) Welsh. Eg -


    https://www.anglianwater.co.uk/help-and-advice/drinking-water-advice/where-your-water-comes-from/

    While it’s nice for you lovely eliminationist Anglophobes to believe, England does not import water from Scotland, so your gentle civic nationalism will have to fantasise a new way of offing us all.
    It does import water.

    https://highlandspring.com/

    And I suspect confusion may have been caused by a certain B. Johnson's scheme to drain water from Scotland so the denizens of Croydon etc could fill their swimming pools without SE Water fixing the mains leaks (I paraphrase, but you get the gist).
    We all know Stuart wasn't referring to bottled water.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Is the average 20 year old supposed to think that closing the coal mines was a bad thing?
    Is the average Scot supposed to think that closing the coal mines was to save the environment?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    And so another exquisite summer evening, sapphire and cerise, humming with the wings of the linnet, draws to a soft, sweetening close like the coda of a wonderful yet forgotten hymn

    NOT
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Music to the ears of the anti coal Scottish Greens, Sturgeon's new coalition partner
    FUDHY, as ever, has his finger on the pulse of Scottish democracy: he knows that the Scottish Greens hang on Boris Johnson’s every word. He is their hero.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    Carnyx said:

    BJ pressing all the right buttons on his visit north. For clarity, the Evening Times is a bog standard local evening paper, pretty apolitical and certainly not nationalist.



    https://tinyurl.com/chzw87h3

    Well, that's done for a fair chunk of the supposed Labour tactical voting for Tories in Lothian, Lanarkshire, etc. etc. I mean, they still have MIners' Welfare and Social Clubs all over the place.
    Supreme Leader Boris is a dunderheid? Don’t tell FUDHY.
    I am not a miner and don't come from a mining family directly (though my great uncle was a driver on a winding engine). I know all about the energy and efficiency and global warming arguments but they don't change the political importance of his comments. Remember that Scotland was then a satrapy and many strikers were prosecuted at the time - many feel unjustly.

    https://www.gov.scot/news/consultation-on-miners-strike-pardon/

    I'm interested by the view that entire realms of voters can be both personally alienated and utterly ignored by the Tories just because they don't vote Tory.

    Do we not have 'one nation' Tories any more? And what happens when the smaller and smaller core vote crumbles?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Foxy said:

    Quincel said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's not just the racial attitudes of the 19thC that the US right are embracing...

    Florida woman who's an antimasker "wants to promote health the way her generation’s grandparents experienced it. 'When they got sick, they didn’t need the crutch of pharmaceuticals or antibiotics to get better. They just got sick and they got well.'”
    https://twitter.com/BGrueskin/status/1422760495631716353

    (Though it should be noted that vaccination of sorts was a thing back then, too.)

    What's particularly funny about that (apart from the obvious point that when they got sick, a lot of them died) is that the loony Florida woman's lawsuit is about the wearing of masks on planes. I mean, if she wants to be like her grandparents' generation, why the hell is she flying anywhere in the first place?
    My grandparents flew to the south of France for their honeymoon…
    My grandparents lived in Derby. Just before the war, they bought a small cottage in Twyford, on the Trent, to holiday in. The cottage, which they used for holidays and weekends away, is about five miles from the city centre. AFAIAA, they did not have a car, and that five miles was as far as they could practically get with any regularity, given they had one kid and my dad on the way.

    Oddly enough, many of my family still live within a few miles of there, and I was born just a mile away, right by the Trent and Mersey Canal.
    Growing up in Devon I knew people for whom a trip to Bristol was a once in a lifetime event, and the furthest they ever went from home.
    I'd love to see it again, but back in the early 1990's there was a segment on TV news in London about a woman in her eighties who had never left the Isle of Dogs. All through the roaring twenties, the depression, the war, the swinging sixties; she had remained on the isle. Despite it's wonderful transport links (even in the seventies and eighties), she had never been tempted out.

    ISTR she was taken into the city to see shows and meet someone important.
    This column in the ever-entertaining 'Guardian Experiences' column is purportedly about a man who eats the same dinner every day but is really about his love of the Welsh valley he lives in: And has left precisely once in his life, 30 years ago, for a trip to a different farm.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/apr/16/experience-ive-had-the-same-supper-for-10-years
    I think there's something about farmers. A distant relative of mine was born, raised, and lives on, a farm. For nearly thirty years he has worked in the nearest city, about ten miles away. A few years back another relative got a phone call from him. He was in tears as he had two routes into work, and both were blocked off for roadworks.

    There were plenty of diversionary routes (it is in the Midlands), but the thought of using a different route had driven him to tears.

    Perhaps it is because farmers are used to a regular rhythm, both through the day and the year.
    A friend of mine in Portsmouth took her grandmother to London for a significant birthday (80th, 90th, something like that) ten years ago. As the train went under the A27, grandma said it was the first time she'd ever left Portsea Island. Said the island had everything she needed.
    London was apparently alright - but she wasn't bothered about going again.
    I was doing a locum in Cornwall some years ago, and saw a farmer patient in his eighties. I asked him when he had first noticed symptoms. He said 1948, but had been rather busy.

    He had left Cornwall once, to go to an agricultural show in Dorset, but he said that he couldn't enjoy it as he was worried about his cattle.

    I envy people with such attachment to place, much as I love my adopted city.
    Round here, that’s about how long it takes to get an appointment with your GP.

    (This is not meant entirely seriously.)
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,494

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Is the average 20 year old supposed to think that closing the coal mines was a bad thing?
    Is the average Scot supposed to think that closing the coal mines was to save the environment?
    There was a good case for closing the coal mines between the late 1960s and early 1990s on the grounds that most of them were either running out of coal or couldn't be run at a profit.

    The problem with the closing of the coal mines is that there was nothing done to replace the industry and large chunks of the country just had nothing to bring in jobs.
  • Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    pigeon said:

    Best Piers.

    Brighton and Blackpool.

    Or maybe Piers Gaveston.

    Piers Fletcher-Dervish?
    Piers Courage.
    Surely Piers Merchant has to come into any conversation about the worst Piers?
    For those of us who did Eng Lit, Piers Plowman.
    Piers Gaveston embarrassed two Eton & Oxford Prime Ministers.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    One imagines the Gulf Strem collapse would leave the UK with a similar continental climate comparable with Petropavlosk with the North Sea doubling as the Sea of Okhotsk:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky?wprov=sfla1

    Apparently not.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/01/modeling-what-would-happen-to-the-uk-if-the-gulf-stream-shuts-down/
    ...Things are quite a bit different if the AMOC shuts down. Rather than rising, temperatures would actually drop by an average of 3.4°C. That drop would occur on a gradient, with northern Scotland cooling the most and southern England seeing the least impact and therefore seeing conditions similar to what it currently experiences. But, more dramatically, rainfall during the growing season is expected to drop by 123mm. That drop is enough to reduce the UK's percentage of arable land from 32 percent to just seven percent. Obviously, this would cause a big hit to the UK's agricultural productivity. Irrigation could again offset this, but the scale of the changes needed would be far larger; the authors estimate adding this irrigation at ten times the value of the crops that would be produced. But they note that it's not clear if the UK would have enough water to spare to fully reverse the loss of rain....

    Though given the huge uncertainties in modelling climate/weather, who knows ?
    Malcom's turnip season would be significantly truncated, I expect.
    Thanks Nigelb, fascinating link!

    England would become even more dependent on Welsh and Scottish water.
    Bless. The enduring Scottish fantasy of the English dying of thirst after Scottish independence. However there is a flaw in your cunning plan. We don’t rely on Scottish water, nor (for most of the country) Welsh. Eg -


    https://www.anglianwater.co.uk/help-and-advice/drinking-water-advice/where-your-water-comes-from/

    While it’s nice for you lovely eliminationist Anglophobes to believe, England does not import water from Scotland, so your gentle civic nationalism will have to fantasise a new way of offing us all.
    It does import water.

    https://highlandspring.com/

    And I suspect confusion may have been caused by a certain B. Johnson's scheme to drain water from Scotland so the denizens of Croydon etc could fill their swimming pools without SE Water fixing the mains leaks (I paraphrase, but you get the gist).
    We all know Stuart wasn't referring to bottled water.
    Of course we do. But one must be precise.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    One imagines the Gulf Strem collapse would leave the UK with a similar continental climate comparable with Petropavlosk with the North Sea doubling as the Sea of Okhotsk:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky?wprov=sfla1

    Apparently not.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/01/modeling-what-would-happen-to-the-uk-if-the-gulf-stream-shuts-down/
    ...Things are quite a bit different if the AMOC shuts down. Rather than rising, temperatures would actually drop by an average of 3.4°C. That drop would occur on a gradient, with northern Scotland cooling the most and southern England seeing the least impact and therefore seeing conditions similar to what it currently experiences. But, more dramatically, rainfall during the growing season is expected to drop by 123mm. That drop is enough to reduce the UK's percentage of arable land from 32 percent to just seven percent. Obviously, this would cause a big hit to the UK's agricultural productivity. Irrigation could again offset this, but the scale of the changes needed would be far larger; the authors estimate adding this irrigation at ten times the value of the crops that would be produced. But they note that it's not clear if the UK would have enough water to spare to fully reverse the loss of rain....

    Though given the huge uncertainties in modelling climate/weather, who knows ?
    Malcom's turnip season would be significantly truncated, I expect.
    Thanks Nigelb, fascinating link!

    England would become even more dependent on Welsh and Scottish water.
    Bless. The enduring Scottish fantasy of the English dying of thirst after Scottish independence. However there is a flaw in your cunning plan. We don’t rely on Scottish water, nor (for most of the country) Welsh. Eg -


    https://www.anglianwater.co.uk/help-and-advice/drinking-water-advice/where-your-water-comes-from/

    While it’s nice for you lovely eliminationist Anglophobes to believe, England does not import water from Scotland, so your gentle civic nationalism will have to fantasise a new way of offing us all.
    It does import water.

    https://highlandspring.com/

    And I suspect confusion may have been caused by a certain B. Johnson's scheme to drain water from Scotland so the denizens of Croydon etc could fill their swimming pools without SE Water fixing the mains leaks (I paraphrase, but you get the gist).
    Oh come on, Dickson wasn’t referring to mineral water (heck, everyone knows that even Derbyshire exports that) and the nationalist trope that Scotland supplies us with water predates 2015. I think it is an urban myth arising from an appropriation of the, far more justifiable, north Welsh grievance regarding Liverpool’s drowning of a local valley for its own needs.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    BJ pressing all the right buttons on his visit north. For clarity, the Evening Times is a bog standard local evening paper, pretty apolitical and certainly not nationalist.



    https://tinyurl.com/chzw87h3

    Well, that's done for a fair chunk of the supposed Labour tactical voting for Tories in Lothian, Lanarkshire, etc. etc. I mean, they still have MIners' Welfare and Social Clubs all over the place.
    The Tories don't have any MPs or constituency MSPs in Lothian or Lanarkshire.

    I am sure Boris' remarks will have delighted the Scottish Greens however, the SNP's new coalition partner, even if they do not go down as well in the Red Wall
    The West Central Belt used to be prime Tory = Unionist battleground. The Tories most certainly have regional MSPs in regions which were, or include, major coal mining areas, and it will also count in the general sentiment about the sensitivity and care with which the Tory Party treats Scotland.
    There is not a single Scottish former mining constituency in even the top 20 Tory target seats for the next general election. There is not a single Tory MP or constituency MSP who represents an ex mining seat in Scotland either.

    There are plenty of English and Welsh Red Wall Tory held seats and Tory target seats which used to have a mine however, by far the biggest winner from Boris' gaffe therefore will be Starmer, not Sturgeon
    Good to see you admitting it was a gaffe. You’re a bigger man than I thought.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    One imagines the Gulf Strem collapse would leave the UK with a similar continental climate comparable with Petropavlosk with the North Sea doubling as the Sea of Okhotsk:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky?wprov=sfla1

    Apparently not.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/01/modeling-what-would-happen-to-the-uk-if-the-gulf-stream-shuts-down/
    ...Things are quite a bit different if the AMOC shuts down. Rather than rising, temperatures would actually drop by an average of 3.4°C. That drop would occur on a gradient, with northern Scotland cooling the most and southern England seeing the least impact and therefore seeing conditions similar to what it currently experiences. But, more dramatically, rainfall during the growing season is expected to drop by 123mm. That drop is enough to reduce the UK's percentage of arable land from 32 percent to just seven percent. Obviously, this would cause a big hit to the UK's agricultural productivity. Irrigation could again offset this, but the scale of the changes needed would be far larger; the authors estimate adding this irrigation at ten times the value of the crops that would be produced. But they note that it's not clear if the UK would have enough water to spare to fully reverse the loss of rain....

    Though given the huge uncertainties in modelling climate/weather, who knows ?
    Malcom's turnip season would be significantly truncated, I expect.
    Thanks Nigelb, fascinating link!

    England would become even more dependent on Welsh and Scottish water.
    Bless. The enduring Scottish fantasy of the English dying of thirst after Scottish independence. However there is a flaw in your cunning plan. We don’t rely on Scottish water, nor (for most of the country) Welsh. Eg -


    https://www.anglianwater.co.uk/help-and-advice/drinking-water-advice/where-your-water-comes-from/

    While it’s nice for you lovely eliminationist Anglophobes to believe, England does not import water from Scotland, so your gentle civic nationalism will have to fantasise a new way of offing us all.
    It does import water.

    https://highlandspring.com/

    And I suspect confusion may have been caused by a certain B. Johnson's scheme to drain water from Scotland so the denizens of Croydon etc could fill their swimming pools without SE Water fixing the mains leaks (I paraphrase, but you get the gist).
    Oh come on, Dickson wasn’t referring to mineral water (heck, everyone knows that even Derbyshire exports that) and the nationalist trope that Scotland supplies us with water predates 2015. I think it is an urban myth arising from an appropriation of the, far more justifiable, north Welsh grievance regarding Liverpool’s drowning of a local valley for its own needs.
    Quite so, though Mr Johnson's scheme and the ensuing publicity would have fed the urban myth.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765

    HYUFD said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Music to the ears of the anti coal Scottish Greens, Sturgeon's new coalition partner
    FUDHY, as ever, has his finger on the pulse of Scottish democracy: he knows that the Scottish Greens hang on Boris Johnson’s every word. He is their hero.
    You're too busy being smug to work out the difference between the LOTO and the PM. Treacherous ground.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    One imagines the Gulf Strem collapse would leave the UK with a similar continental climate comparable with Petropavlosk with the North Sea doubling as the Sea of Okhotsk:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky?wprov=sfla1

    Apparently not.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/01/modeling-what-would-happen-to-the-uk-if-the-gulf-stream-shuts-down/
    ...Things are quite a bit different if the AMOC shuts down. Rather than rising, temperatures would actually drop by an average of 3.4°C. That drop would occur on a gradient, with northern Scotland cooling the most and southern England seeing the least impact and therefore seeing conditions similar to what it currently experiences. But, more dramatically, rainfall during the growing season is expected to drop by 123mm. That drop is enough to reduce the UK's percentage of arable land from 32 percent to just seven percent. Obviously, this would cause a big hit to the UK's agricultural productivity. Irrigation could again offset this, but the scale of the changes needed would be far larger; the authors estimate adding this irrigation at ten times the value of the crops that would be produced. But they note that it's not clear if the UK would have enough water to spare to fully reverse the loss of rain....

    Though given the huge uncertainties in modelling climate/weather, who knows ?
    Malcom's turnip season would be significantly truncated, I expect.
    Thanks Nigelb, fascinating link!

    England would become even more dependent on Welsh and Scottish water.
    Bless. The enduring Scottish fantasy of the English dying of thirst after Scottish independence. However there is a flaw in your cunning plan. We don’t rely on Scottish water, nor (for most of the country) Welsh. Eg -


    https://www.anglianwater.co.uk/help-and-advice/drinking-water-advice/where-your-water-comes-from/

    While it’s nice for you lovely eliminationist Anglophobes to believe, England does not import water from Scotland, so your gentle civic nationalism will have to fantasise a new way of offing us all.
    It does import water.

    https://highlandspring.com/

    And I suspect confusion may have been caused by a certain B. Johnson's scheme to drain water from Scotland so the denizens of Croydon etc could fill their swimming pools without SE Water fixing the mains leaks (I paraphrase, but you get the gist).
    Oh come on, Dickson wasn’t referring to mineral water (heck, everyone knows that even Derbyshire exports that) and the nationalist trope that Scotland supplies us with water predates 2015. I think it is an urban myth arising from an appropriation of the, far more justifiable, north Welsh grievance regarding Liverpool’s drowning of a local valley for its own needs.
    PS Never, ever, heard that trope about actual supply with water cvome to think of it - what it was was actually criticism of Mr Johnson's breezy comments on the matter, I think.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    edited August 2021

    HYUFD said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Music to the ears of the anti coal Scottish Greens, Sturgeon's new coalition partner
    FUDHY, as ever, has his finger on the pulse of Scottish democracy: he knows that the Scottish Greens hang on Boris Johnson’s every word. He is their hero.
    Some quotes from Sturgeon's new best friend, the Scottish Greens leader on this issue: 'We have achieved a massive shift from coal to renewable power while some of the world’s most polluting countries are pursuing economic nationalism and outright climate denial.'

    We will challenge all of those committed to maximum extraction of oil and gas from the North Sea because we know that avoiding dangerous climate change means that the majority of fossil fuels must remain in the ground... Only the Greens are standing up for our common future, against the vested interests and dirty money of the fossil fuel industry.'
    https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/17279886.patrick-harvie-greens-go-fight-greenhouse-gases/
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Music to the ears of the anti coal Scottish Greens, Sturgeon's new coalition partner
    FUDHY, as ever, has his finger on the pulse of Scottish democracy: he knows that the Scottish Greens hang on Boris Johnson’s every word. He is their hero.
    Some quotes from the Scottish Greens leader on this issue: 'We have achieved a massive shift from coal to renewable power while some of the world’s most polluting countries are pursuing economic nationalism and outright climate denial.'

    We will challenge all of those committed to maximum extraction of oil and gas from the North Sea because we know that avoiding dangerous climate change means that the majority of fossil fuels must remain in the ground... Only the Greens are standing up for our common future, against the vested interests and dirty money of the fossil fuel industry.'
    https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/17279886.patrick-harvie-greens-go-fight-greenhouse-gases/
    Oil is not a devolved matter. You do understand what that means?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    kinabalu said:



    Yes, the digital takeover is definitely a part of it. I read lots of 'stuff' online but it doesn't work for me for books, fiction or non.

    Re time running out, yes, that's a factor too. You don't want to burn it.

    And there's something with me about this which is (I know) rather stupid and negative. Not so much about not picking up new books but more about not trying to learn new skills. Eg piano. Always fancied that and now have the time. But let's say I took it up and it turns out I have some talent for it. Unlikely but possible. That would be great in one sense. But in another it would be very galling because I'd be kicking myself for not doing it when young and able to put in the fabled 10,000 hours and be properly good.

    So you kind of just cruise in neutral to the grave. Can't find suitably precise emoticon for this 'sad but not really' sentiment.

    Interesting philosophical point, that. In my view, the purpose of life is having a number of peaks that you always remember plus a generally OK everyday, like Switzerland. Learning to play the piano pretty well counts as a decent peak, and not doing it 40 years ago and being a professional, meh, that's just a possible earlier peak and you've had others instead. But cruising in neureal is just pointless - there are years of my life that I can't recall doing anything at all, and that's a total waste.

    What life definitely isn't is a steady climb ending in Mount Everest as the crowning achievement. You need to factor in a gradual fade, and have things that really stand out in your memory.
    Very astute.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    What it shows is that the Speccy is about as critical as the US Navy concerning explosions in its gun turrets. I mean,. not even checking the bona fides of a journalist leading with an overtly mahooosive story?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Music to the ears of the anti coal Scottish Greens, Sturgeon's new coalition partner
    FUDHY, as ever, has his finger on the pulse of Scottish democracy: he knows that the Scottish Greens hang on Boris Johnson’s every word. He is their hero.
    You're too busy being smug to work out the difference between the LOTO and the PM. Treacherous ground.
    In fairness Mr Starmer is obviously desperate to gain some of the SGP voters.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Music to the ears of the anti coal Scottish Greens, Sturgeon's new coalition partner
    FUDHY, as ever, has his finger on the pulse of Scottish democracy: he knows that the Scottish Greens hang on Boris Johnson’s every word. He is their hero.
    Some quotes from the Scottish Greens leader on this issue: 'We have achieved a massive shift from coal to renewable power while some of the world’s most polluting countries are pursuing economic nationalism and outright climate denial.'

    We will challenge all of those committed to maximum extraction of oil and gas from the North Sea because we know that avoiding dangerous climate change means that the majority of fossil fuels must remain in the ground... Only the Greens are standing up for our common future, against the vested interests and dirty money of the fossil fuel industry.'
    https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/17279886.patrick-harvie-greens-go-fight-greenhouse-gases/
    Oil is not a devolved matter. You do understand what that means?
    Only the UK government can protect Scotland's oil industry from the SNP-Green Scottish government
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That laboured, humourless, seventy thousand word article describes an attempt to spoof an illustrious magazine into running an article, but the spoof failed, because the magazine checked the sources. Have I got that right?

    WOW
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Music to the ears of the anti coal Scottish Greens, Sturgeon's new coalition partner
    FUDHY, as ever, has his finger on the pulse of Scottish democracy: he knows that the Scottish Greens hang on Boris Johnson’s every word. He is their hero.
    Some quotes from the Scottish Greens leader on this issue: 'We have achieved a massive shift from coal to renewable power while some of the world’s most polluting countries are pursuing economic nationalism and outright climate denial.'

    We will challenge all of those committed to maximum extraction of oil and gas from the North Sea because we know that avoiding dangerous climate change means that the majority of fossil fuels must remain in the ground... Only the Greens are standing up for our common future, against the vested interests and dirty money of the fossil fuel industry.'
    https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/17279886.patrick-harvie-greens-go-fight-greenhouse-gases/
    Oil is not a devolved matter. You do understand what that means?
    Scottish politicians have less with which to grease their palms?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Carnyx said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    What it shows is that the Speccy is about as critical as the US Navy concerning explosions in its gun turrets. I mean,. not even checking the bona fides of a journalist leading with an overtly mahooosive story?
    They didn't run the story
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,965
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Music to the ears of the anti coal Scottish Greens, Sturgeon's new coalition partner
    FUDHY, as ever, has his finger on the pulse of Scottish democracy: he knows that the Scottish Greens hang on Boris Johnson’s every word. He is their hero.
    Some quotes from the Scottish Greens leader on this issue: 'We have achieved a massive shift from coal to renewable power while some of the world’s most polluting countries are pursuing economic nationalism and outright climate denial.'

    We will challenge all of those committed to maximum extraction of oil and gas from the North Sea because we know that avoiding dangerous climate change means that the majority of fossil fuels must remain in the ground... Only the Greens are standing up for our common future, against the vested interests and dirty money of the fossil fuel industry.'
    https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/17279886.patrick-harvie-greens-go-fight-greenhouse-gases/
    Oil is not a devolved matter. You do understand what that means?
    Only the UK government can protect Scotland's oil industry from the SNP-Green Scottish government
    Britain First!
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    IanB2 said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Is the average 20 year old supposed to think that closing the coal mines was a bad thing?
    Anyhow Labour closed more pits and the Tories closed more grammar schools, contrary to wot most people think.
    I still find it astonishing that it was the Conservative Party that abolished counties, an institution dating back to the Middle Ages. Pure vandalism really.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    edited August 2021
    IanB2 said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Is the average 20 year old supposed to think that closing the coal mines was a bad thing?
    Anyhow Labour closed more pits and the Tories closed more grammar schools, contrary to wot most people think.
    Labour began the process of closing both however, almost all the few remaining grammar schools are in Tory controlled local authorities
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,965
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    What it shows is that the Speccy is about as critical as the US Navy concerning explosions in its gun turrets. I mean,. not even checking the bona fides of a journalist leading with an overtly mahooosive story?
    They didn't run the story
    All credit for bouncing back from the 'no one has heard of burner phones' fiasco.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    Messi leaving Barca.

    Did tell you all that Barca's financial problems made it unlikely he could resign and play for them again.

    La Liga ain't shifting from their version of financial fair play.

    A cunning plan to get Levy to drop his fee for Kane
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784
    Leon said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That laboured, humourless, seventy thousand word article describes an attempt to spoof an illustrious magazine into running an article, but the spoof failed, because the magazine checked the sources. Have I got that right?

    WOW
    Humourless? I thought it was hilarious. Maybe you got confused because they mentioned burner phones?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Roger said:

    Messi leaving Barca.

    Did tell you all that Barca's financial problems made it unlikely he could resign and play for them again.

    La Liga ain't shifting from their version of financial fair play.

    A cunning plan to get Levy to drop his fee for Kane
    I have it on reliable sources that Messi’s coming to Ipswich
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592
    IanB2 said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Is the average 20 year old supposed to think that closing the coal mines was a bad thing?
    Anyhow Labour closed more pits and the Tories closed more grammar schools, contrary to wot most people think.
    Don't forget that under Beeching, Labour closed about the same mileage of railways as the Conservatives did. Despite having been elected on a platform of reversing the cuts ...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Quincel said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's not just the racial attitudes of the 19thC that the US right are embracing...

    Florida woman who's an antimasker "wants to promote health the way her generation’s grandparents experienced it. 'When they got sick, they didn’t need the crutch of pharmaceuticals or antibiotics to get better. They just got sick and they got well.'”
    https://twitter.com/BGrueskin/status/1422760495631716353

    (Though it should be noted that vaccination of sorts was a thing back then, too.)

    What's particularly funny about that (apart from the obvious point that when they got sick, a lot of them died) is that the loony Florida woman's lawsuit is about the wearing of masks on planes. I mean, if she wants to be like her grandparents' generation, why the hell is she flying anywhere in the first place?
    My grandparents flew to the south of France for their honeymoon…
    My grandparents lived in Derby. Just before the war, they bought a small cottage in Twyford, on the Trent, to holiday in. The cottage, which they used for holidays and weekends away, is about five miles from the city centre. AFAIAA, they did not have a car, and that five miles was as far as they could practically get with any regularity, given they had one kid and my dad on the way.

    Oddly enough, many of my family still live within a few miles of there, and I was born just a mile away, right by the Trent and Mersey Canal.
    Growing up in Devon I knew people for whom a trip to Bristol was a once in a lifetime event, and the furthest they ever went from home.
    I'd love to see it again, but back in the early 1990's there was a segment on TV news in London about a woman in her eighties who had never left the Isle of Dogs. All through the roaring twenties, the depression, the war, the swinging sixties; she had remained on the isle. Despite it's wonderful transport links (even in the seventies and eighties), she had never been tempted out.

    ISTR she was taken into the city to see shows and meet someone important.
    This column in the ever-entertaining 'Guardian Experiences' column is purportedly about a man who eats the same dinner every day but is really about his love of the Welsh valley he lives in: And has left precisely once in his life, 30 years ago, for a trip to a different farm.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/apr/16/experience-ive-had-the-same-supper-for-10-years
    I think there's something about farmers. A distant relative of mine was born, raised, and lives on, a farm. For nearly thirty years he has worked in the nearest city, about ten miles away. A few years back another relative got a phone call from him. He was in tears as he had two routes into work, and both were blocked off for roadworks.

    There were plenty of diversionary routes (it is in the Midlands), but the thought of using a different route had driven him to tears.

    Perhaps it is because farmers are used to a regular rhythm, both through the day and the year.
    A friend of mine in Portsmouth took her grandmother to London for a significant birthday (80th, 90th, something like that) ten years ago. As the train went under the A27, grandma said it was the first time she'd ever left Portsea Island. Said the island had everything she needed.
    London was apparently alright - but she wasn't bothered about going again.
    I was doing a locum in Cornwall some years ago, and saw a farmer patient in his eighties. I asked him when he had first noticed symptoms. He said 1948, but had been rather busy.

    He had left Cornwall once, to go to an agricultural show in Dorset, but he said that he couldn't enjoy it as he was worried about his cattle.

    I envy people with such attachment to place, much as I love my adopted city.
    Round here, that’s about how long it takes to get an appointment with your GP.

    (This is not meant entirely seriously.)
    I once went to Britain's remotest inhabited island, Foula. About a trillion miles from Shetland (or so it feels, apparently, if you go by boat: I flew)

    I stayed a few days with a lovely woman who kept worrying that "the bonxies are eating the placenta". She kept sheep

    I met basically everyone on the island (it's not hard), amongst them was a wonderfully sweet old lady, with pics of the Queen on her sideboard and a plate full of shortbread, she was about 90 and she revealed that she had been off Foula just once in her life
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Leon said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That laboured, humourless, seventy thousand word article describes an attempt to spoof an illustrious magazine into running an article, but the spoof failed, because the magazine checked the sources. Have I got that right?

    WOW
    Humourless? I thought it was hilarious. Maybe you got confused because they mentioned burner phones?
    I thought it very funny. Likely bollocks, but very funny.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Is the average 20 year old supposed to think that closing the coal mines was a bad thing?
    Anyhow Labour closed more pits and the Tories closed more grammar schools, contrary to wot most people think.
    Labour began the process of both however, almost all the few remaining grammar schools are in Tory controlled local authorities
    It doesn't matter. Labour wanted to keep open businesses that were long gone, and wanted to remove schools that have proved the test of time. Complete idiocy, but they have to be judged on their ideas today.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    edited August 2021
    Leon said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That laboured, humourless, seventy thousand word article describes an attempt to spoof an illustrious magazine into running an article, but the spoof failed, because the magazine checked the sources. Have I got that right?

    WOW
    Forget that story, the Spectator is a joke, only bellends who have no grasp on reality write for that magazine these days.

    I mean, Covid-19 deniers and spouse beaters like Rod Liddle and Toby Young for starters.

    Can anyone think of a third journalist who writes for The Spectator to make it the devil's trifecta?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Is the average 20 year old supposed to think that closing the coal mines was a bad thing?
    Anyhow Labour closed more pits and the Tories closed more grammar schools, contrary to wot most people think.
    Labour began the process of closing both however, almost all the few remaining grammar schools are in Tory controlled local authorities
    I was going to say that there are several in Birmingham, but I note you have changed your post.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Leon said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That laboured, humourless, seventy thousand word article describes an attempt to spoof an illustrious magazine into running an article, but the spoof failed, because the magazine checked the sources. Have I got that right?

    WOW
    Humourless? I thought it was hilarious. Maybe you got confused because they mentioned burner phones?
    Please point me to the hilarious bits. I'm genuinely curious

    By the end I was wondering if the Wokeyleaks character was actually winding up the author. Something doesn't quite fit
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    edited August 2021

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That is truly hilarious. What fools these Spectator writers are!
  • Leon said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That laboured, humourless, seventy thousand word article describes an attempt to spoof an illustrious magazine into running an article, but the spoof failed, because the magazine checked the sources. Have I got that right?

    WOW
    Forget that story, the Spectator is a joke, only bellends who have no grasp on reality write for that magazine these days.

    I mean, Covid-19 deniers and spouse beaters like Rod Liddle and Toby Young for starters.

    Can anyone think of a third journalist who writes for The Spectator to make it the devil's trifecta?
    Spectator TV this week has a segment on cybersecurity and ransomware that might be interesting (not watched!). Whether that reflects what is in the magazine...?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Leon said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That laboured, humourless, seventy thousand word article describes an attempt to spoof an illustrious magazine into running an article, but the spoof failed, because the magazine checked the sources. Have I got that right?

    WOW
    Forget that story, the Spectator is a joke, only bellends who have no grasp on reality write for that magazine these days.

    I mean, Covid-19 deniers and spouse beaters like Rod Liddle and Toby Young for starters.

    Can anyone think of a third journalist who writes for The Spectator to make it the devil's trifecta?
    The Speccie is the oldest weekly magazine in the world, and the most prestigious political magazine in the English speaking world

    It does provoke an awful lot of jealousy, as a consequence - usually from people who would saw off their testicles to get an article published within its pages. Such as yourself

    Trouble is, the Spectator knows this, so it can be a little smug
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That laboured, humourless, seventy thousand word article describes an attempt to spoof an illustrious magazine into running an article, but the spoof failed, because the magazine checked the sources. Have I got that right?

    WOW
    Forget that story, the Spectator is a joke, only bellends who have no grasp on reality write for that magazine these days.

    I mean, Covid-19 deniers and spouse beaters like Rod Liddle and Toby Young for starters.

    Can anyone think of a third journalist who writes for The Spectator to make it the devil's trifecta?
    The Speccie is the oldest weekly magazine in the world, and the most prestigious political magazine in the English speaking world

    It does provoke an awful lot of jealousy, as a consequence - usually from people who would saw off their testicles to get an article published within its pages. Such as yourself

    Trouble is, the Spectator knows this, so it can be a little smug
    I've been published in more august publications than that.

    I'd rather saw off my testicle than have an article published by that AIDS/HIV fake news merchant Andrew Neil.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That laboured, humourless, seventy thousand word article describes an attempt to spoof an illustrious magazine into running an article, but the spoof failed, because the magazine checked the sources. Have I got that right?

    WOW
    Forget that story, the Spectator is a joke, only bellends who have no grasp on reality write for that magazine these days.

    I mean, Covid-19 deniers and spouse beaters like Rod Liddle and Toby Young for starters.

    Can anyone think of a third journalist who writes for The Spectator to make it the devil's trifecta?
    The Speccie is the oldest weekly magazine in the world, and the most prestigious political magazine in the English speaking world

    It does provoke an awful lot of jealousy, as a consequence - usually from people who would saw off their testicles to get an article published within its pages. Such as yourself

    Trouble is, the Spectator knows this, so it can be a little smug
    You are the writer of Wokeyleaks and I claim my five pounds!
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    What it shows is that the Speccy is about as critical as the US Navy concerning explosions in its gun turrets. I mean,. not even checking the bona fides of a journalist leading with an overtly mahooosive story?
    They didn't run the story
    All credit for bouncing back from the 'no one has heard of burner phones' fiasco.
    :smiley:

    But we were also left with a new meme: "The Culture" which I shall treasure. Presumably not to be confused with Culture Club.

    Anyway, no one in The Culture had heard of burners, or burner phones to use the tautology.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    .
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Is the average 20 year old supposed to think that closing the coal mines was a bad thing?
    Anyhow Labour closed more pits and the Tories closed more grammar schools, contrary to wot most people think.
    Labour began the process of closing both however, almost all the few remaining grammar schools are in Tory controlled local authorities
    I was going to say that there are several in Birmingham, but I note you have changed your post.
    Are there? I thought Camp Hill and King Edward's were independent grammar schools now. Although I may be wrong

    Warwickshire however retains grammar schools. The sight of Alcester Grammar School students waiting for their bus at Beckett's Island , Wyrhall (in comprehensive Worcestershire) when back in the day we had a first class comprehensive, which is now a money spinning academy, is depressing.

    I loved comprehensive school, I hated Ledbury Grammar School, not just because of the selection at 11 outrage, but because the standard of interest in anyone but the top 20 students in each year group was minimal.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    Foxy said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That is truly hilarious. What fools these Spectator writers are!
    This was so funny...

    :smile:
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    Looking at the three photos in the header has suddenly made me feel very depressed. I'll leave PB for today and watch something escapist on UKTV or similar.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Not a bad line, I wonder if it's his own?


    Actually I think it’s a terrible line

    What’s the message that it’s trying to sell?

    Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?

    This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
    Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture

    Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
    I'm not plugged into The Culture, whatever the fcuk that is, and I know what they are. Still, street vibe Charlie agrees with you.
    Here is a tech magazine asking "what is a burner phone" - in February of this year

    https://www.techtelegraph.co.uk/what-is-a-burner-phone-and-when-should-you-use-one/

    Here is the Daily Mail from a few weeks ago. The phrase is put in inverted commas. "Burner phone"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9596557/Drug-users-ordered-phone-stunned-police-texting-want-help-you.html

    If the Daily Mail has to put a phrase in inverted commas because it will strike readers as odd and not immediately understandable, then it is safe to say it has not entered the common lexicon. So yeah, you aren't plugged into The Culture or you would sense this
    It will be understood by anyone who watches American crime dramas.

    As to effective messaging - who knows. It does have a hint of preaching to the fan club, though.
    I'm not even sure that is true. And this is partly because, if you google the phrase, there is dispute as to what it means, even for those who use the term

    For some it means a non-smart phone that is simply cheap and can be thrown away if it "gets traced"

    For others it is a phone that can be easily bought and used with a false identity

    For others it is a cheap phone that must have prepaid minutes

    And so on.

    Therefore Charles is right, even if you have a decent grasp of what a burner phone is (one of these or similar definitions) then it is not clear what charge Labour is making against the government

    "Government by burner phone". It reckon it is a line which sounded cool and hip to middle aged people in an ideas meeting, but now withers in embarrassment when it encounters the real world, like one of those deep-water fish in Lake Baikal which explode when they hit the surface
    It was used by Joanna Cherry QC in a Select Committee when she was questioning Michael Gove.

    A better line, if they want to make the point that the government pays no regard to any rules, would be -

    "For this government, friendship, connections, family ties, money are what count. Nothing else."

    But people know this and don't care enough about it. So the government will continue behaving in this way until (if) the wind changes.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    IanB2 said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Is the average 20 year old supposed to think that closing the coal mines was a bad thing?
    Anyhow Labour closed more pits and the Tories closed more grammar schools, contrary to wot most people think.
    Don't forget that under Beeching, Labour closed about the same mileage of railways as the Conservatives did. Despite having been elected on a platform of reversing the cuts ...
    Which platform?
  • TresTres Posts: 2,700
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That laboured, humourless, seventy thousand word article describes an attempt to spoof an illustrious magazine into running an article, but the spoof failed, because the magazine checked the sources. Have I got that right?

    WOW
    Forget that story, the Spectator is a joke, only bellends who have no grasp on reality write for that magazine these days.

    I mean, Covid-19 deniers and spouse beaters like Rod Liddle and Toby Young for starters.

    Can anyone think of a third journalist who writes for The Spectator to make it the devil's trifecta?
    The Speccie is the oldest weekly magazine in the world, and the most prestigious political magazine in the English speaking world

    It does provoke an awful lot of jealousy, as a consequence - usually from people who would saw off their testicles to get an article published within its pages. Such as yourself

    Trouble is, the Spectator knows this, so it can be a little smug
    Alas it will now be best known among soccer fans as the employer of smug gullible racists.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited August 2021
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That laboured, humourless, seventy thousand word article describes an attempt to spoof an illustrious magazine into running an article, but the spoof failed, because the magazine checked the sources. Have I got that right?

    WOW
    Forget that story, the Spectator is a joke, only bellends who have no grasp on reality write for that magazine these days.

    I mean, Covid-19 deniers and spouse beaters like Rod Liddle and Toby Young for starters.

    Can anyone think of a third journalist who writes for The Spectator to make it the devil's trifecta?
    The Speccie is the oldest weekly magazine in the world, and the most prestigious political magazine in the English speaking world

    It does provoke an awful lot of jealousy, as a consequence - usually from people who would saw off their testicles to get an article published within its pages. Such as yourself

    Trouble is, the Spectator knows this, so it can be a little smug
    One of our PB alumni, SeanT., you won't remember him, it was before your time, I believe writes for the Spectator.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    DougSeal said:

    Victoria has gone into its sixth lockdown a week after leaving its fifth. What’s the definition of insanity? They are not going to be able to maintain this surely?

    - “What’s the definition of insanity?”

    Gordon Brown banging on about federalism for the 52,167th time.
    I've got a good feeling about the 52,237th time, I think he'll convert you with that one.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    More to the point Cummings really is a shit.. dishing his version of dirt and trying to diss their marriage.. nasty, really nasty.

    I cannot figure out what his game is. He is apparently making money now, and he'll find stuff to do I am sure, but his chaotic manner of making 'revelations' interspersed with meaningless or personal trivia which just looks strange or petty distracts from any serious points he might be making, which he surely knows, so what's the point?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310

    My understanding of a burner phone is one you buy off the shelf with a new SIM and pay-as-you-go credit already loaded onto it, and bin as soon as you've used it.

    Yes. Much loved by drug and insider dealers.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    What it shows is that the Speccy is about as critical as the US Navy concerning explosions in its gun turrets. I mean,. not even checking the bona fides of a journalist leading with an overtly mahooosive story?
    They didn't run the story
    All credit for bouncing back from the 'no one has heard of burner phones' fiasco.
    :smiley:

    But we were also left with a new meme: "The Culture" which I shall treasure. Presumably not to be confused with Culture Club.

    Anyway, no one in The Culture had heard of burners, or burner phones to use the tautology.
    It's been awhile since I read a Culture novel, but perhaps they don't use phones in them.
  • IanB2 said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Is the average 20 year old supposed to think that closing the coal mines was a bad thing?
    Anyhow Labour closed more pits and the Tories closed more grammar schools, contrary to wot most people think.
    Don't forget that under Beeching, Labour closed about the same mileage of railways as the Conservatives did. Despite having been elected on a platform of reversing the cuts ...
    Which platform?
    9.75
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    Carnyx said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Heathener said:

    And 'burner' has also appeared in every single Michael Connelly novel for the past decade.

    Of course everyone knows what they are.

    Who is Michael Connolly?
    A best selling trashy novelist, and I mean proper best selling, creator of Harry Bosch. Ok for passing the time on a sun lounger though the series is a bit exhausted now. I prefer Robert Crais in that particular line.
    Ah yes, Bosch. I used to devour them on holiday. Ages ago now but I think I recall he was standard 'tough guy with a heart' material but with the quirk that he knocked up a good pasta (and quite often did).
    I am now astounded that I used to hang on Patricia Cornwell's every book. The past is indeed a foreign country.
    Yep - read those too. Kay Scarpetta. Solid work. And I'm confident of low-browing you off the court with Robert Walker's "Jessica Coran" potboilers. There's no way you would have spent hours with them, but I did.
    The Sue Grafton books are my favourite trash.
    She started writing them in the 80's, and kept on going for decades, still setting them in the 80s. Quite the nostalgia trip.
    Ah, heard off but never read any. One of the 1st with a female (private) dick apparently per a quick wiki. And she didn't do a "Z is for ..." for some reason. Stopped at Y.
    My son has started reading them, which feels strange.
    Wish mine would read ANY books. It's a dying habit, I fear. And I'm just as bad. I get through maybe 5 a year now cf 20 in the past. And that's with being retired cf working, so it ought to have gone the other way. I should be tearing through the oeuvres and genres!
    I get through 3-6 per night (depending on whether I'm doing bed time for the three year old with 'big boy' books or the 1 year old with 'baby' books).

    And also 10-15 proper grown up books (without pictures) per year. We do the Netflix etc series, but every now and again we get into a reading phase, the telly doesn't go on and we snuggle up with books. Probably why we still haven't finished Game of Thrones or Line of Duty. Compromises have to be made.
    Sounds a good balance. Yes unless you're a total powerhouse you cannot stay abreast of all the quality TV drama that there is these days AND read lots of books.
    Quite. I stopped bothering with TV at all years ago though I do have some decent DVDs, some still to watch.
    Good call for you, I'm sure. One plus for TV drama over books, though, is it can be a shared experience with others in the household, eg wife in my case. It's a thing we do together, watch and process a drama series soup to nuts, talk about it, speculate on plot, opine on characters etc. If we instead had our respective noses in our own respective books, that wouldn't be quite the same.
    "Soup to nuts". Very investment banking.

    Needs to be put on the same list as p*n**ppl* on p*zz* imo.
    Yes sorry it's not a great expression. You won't see it again on here from me.
    A vile Americanism ?
    No doubt the classicists prefer ab ovo usque ad mala.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    BJ pressing all the right buttons on his visit north. For clarity, the Evening Times is a bog standard local evening paper, pretty apolitical and certainly not nationalist.



    https://tinyurl.com/chzw87h3

    The man is pure electoral gold…

    … for Yes.
    He is the Arse of all Arses
    Don’t be ridiculous.

    He is the Johnson of all Johnsons.
    Biggus Dickus himself.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    BJ pressing all the right buttons on his visit north. For clarity, the Evening Times is a bog standard local evening paper, pretty apolitical and certainly not nationalist.



    https://tinyurl.com/chzw87h3

    The man is pure electoral gold…

    … for Yes.
    He is the Arse of all Arses
    Don’t be ridiculous.

    He is the Johnson of all Johnsons.
    Biggus Dickus himself.
    He has a wife you know. Incontinentia...
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765
    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    What it shows is that the Speccy is about as critical as the US Navy concerning explosions in its gun turrets. I mean,. not even checking the bona fides of a journalist leading with an overtly mahooosive story?
    They didn't run the story
    All credit for bouncing back from the 'no one has heard of burner phones' fiasco.
    :smiley:

    But we were also left with a new meme: "The Culture" which I shall treasure. Presumably not to be confused with Culture Club.

    Anyway, no one in The Culture had heard of burners, or burner phones to use the tautology.
    I'm quite happy that things are moving sufficiently fast that all the crap which went under the banner of Culture with a big c in recent years is basically flushed away. I'm less happy about the noddy crap that seems likely to replace it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    BJ pressing all the right buttons on his visit north. For clarity, the Evening Times is a bog standard local evening paper, pretty apolitical and certainly not nationalist.



    https://tinyurl.com/chzw87h3

    Well, that's done for a fair chunk of the supposed Labour tactical voting for Tories in Lothian, Lanarkshire, etc. etc. I mean, they still have MIners' Welfare and Social Clubs all over the place.
    Supreme Leader Boris is a dunderheid? Don’t tell FUDHY.
    I am not a miner and don't come from a mining family directly (though my great uncle was a driver on a winding engine). I know all about the energy and efficiency and global warming arguments but they don't change the political importance of his comments. Remember that Scotland was then a satrapy and many strikers were prosecuted at the time - many feel unjustly.

    https://www.gov.scot/news/consultation-on-miners-strike-pardon/

    I'm interested by the view that entire realms of voters can be both personally alienated and utterly ignored by the Tories just because they don't vote Tory.

    Do we not have 'one nation' Tories any more? And what happens when the smaller and smaller core vote crumbles?
    They are levelling up… to the border.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,206
    Foxy said:

    Quincel said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's not just the racial attitudes of the 19thC that the US right are embracing...

    Florida woman who's an antimasker "wants to promote health the way her generation’s grandparents experienced it. 'When they got sick, they didn’t need the crutch of pharmaceuticals or antibiotics to get better. They just got sick and they got well.'”
    https://twitter.com/BGrueskin/status/1422760495631716353

    (Though it should be noted that vaccination of sorts was a thing back then, too.)

    What's particularly funny about that (apart from the obvious point that when they got sick, a lot of them died) is that the loony Florida woman's lawsuit is about the wearing of masks on planes. I mean, if she wants to be like her grandparents' generation, why the hell is she flying anywhere in the first place?
    My grandparents flew to the south of France for their honeymoon…
    My grandparents lived in Derby. Just before the war, they bought a small cottage in Twyford, on the Trent, to holiday in. The cottage, which they used for holidays and weekends away, is about five miles from the city centre. AFAIAA, they did not have a car, and that five miles was as far as they could practically get with any regularity, given they had one kid and my dad on the way.

    Oddly enough, many of my family still live within a few miles of there, and I was born just a mile away, right by the Trent and Mersey Canal.
    Growing up in Devon I knew people for whom a trip to Bristol was a once in a lifetime event, and the furthest they ever went from home.
    I'd love to see it again, but back in the early 1990's there was a segment on TV news in London about a woman in her eighties who had never left the Isle of Dogs. All through the roaring twenties, the depression, the war, the swinging sixties; she had remained on the isle. Despite it's wonderful transport links (even in the seventies and eighties), she had never been tempted out.

    ISTR she was taken into the city to see shows and meet someone important.
    This column in the ever-entertaining 'Guardian Experiences' column is purportedly about a man who eats the same dinner every day but is really about his love of the Welsh valley he lives in: And has left precisely once in his life, 30 years ago, for a trip to a different farm.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/apr/16/experience-ive-had-the-same-supper-for-10-years
    I think there's something about farmers. A distant relative of mine was born, raised, and lives on, a farm. For nearly thirty years he has worked in the nearest city, about ten miles away. A few years back another relative got a phone call from him. He was in tears as he had two routes into work, and both were blocked off for roadworks.

    There were plenty of diversionary routes (it is in the Midlands), but the thought of using a different route had driven him to tears.

    Perhaps it is because farmers are used to a regular rhythm, both through the day and the year.
    A friend of mine in Portsmouth took her grandmother to London for a significant birthday (80th, 90th, something like that) ten years ago. As the train went under the A27, grandma said it was the first time she'd ever left Portsea Island. Said the island had everything she needed.
    London was apparently alright - but she wasn't bothered about going again.
    I was doing a locum in Cornwall some years ago, and saw a farmer patient in his eighties. I asked him when he had first noticed symptoms. He said 1948, but had been rather busy.

    He had left Cornwall once, to go to an agricultural show in Dorset, but he said that he couldn't enjoy it as he was worried about his cattle.

    I envy people with such attachment to place, much as I love my adopted city.
    Overheard in the local post office by my parents on the Llyn Perninsula in North Wales, circa 1998...the topic of conversation, the Euro. Little old lady (in Welsh) "Well, even if they have it in London, I don't think it will ever make it down here".
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Foxy said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That is truly hilarious. What fools these Spectator writers are!
    I have no dog in this fight, but that magazine has boasted some amazing writers in its 2 centuries of publication.

    Douglas Murray went through ALL 200 years of them and chose the four best articles ever. And, when you read them, it is hard not to sit back with a certain awed, dumbstruck admiration. Just pure journalistic genius. The kind of stuff you cannot fake.

    Occasionally, one simply has to stand, and applaud.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/four-of-the-best-spectator-pieces-i-ve-ever-read
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Have we done the what the fuck is going on with the omnium yet?

    @Omnium over to you presumably.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That laboured, humourless, seventy thousand word article describes an attempt to spoof an illustrious magazine into running an article, but the spoof failed, because the magazine checked the sources. Have I got that right?

    WOW
    Forget that story, the Spectator is a joke, only bellends who have no grasp on reality write for that magazine these days.

    I mean, Covid-19 deniers and spouse beaters like Rod Liddle and Toby Young for starters.

    Can anyone think of a third journalist who writes for The Spectator to make it the devil's trifecta?
    The Speccie is the oldest weekly magazine in the world, and the most prestigious political magazine in the English speaking world

    It does provoke an awful lot of jealousy, as a consequence - usually from people who would saw off their testicles to get an article published within its pages. Such as yourself

    Trouble is, the Spectator knows this, so it can be a little smug
    I've been published in more august publications than that.

    I'd rather saw off my testicle than have an article published by that AIDS/HIV fake news merchant Andrew Neil.
    Maybe you only get published in August publications because that's when all the proper writers are on holiday?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    TOPPING said:

    Have we done the what the fuck is going on with the omnium yet?

    @Omnium over to you presumably.

    I feel like taking the time to learn how the omnium works would be counter to the spirit of olympic viewing.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765
    TOPPING said:

    Have we done the what the fuck is going on with the omnium yet?

    @Omnium over to you presumably.

    I'd love to be able to help, but my moniker is after Trollopes 'Duke of Omnium. I do like cycling, but I'm not good nor knowledgeable.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    I just accidentally clicked on Johnson on the thread header and the dictionary defined it as a man's penis.. interesting if spooky....

    Well, it wouldn’t be a woman’s penis.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Omnium said:

    TOPPING said:

    Have we done the what the fuck is going on with the omnium yet?

    @Omnium over to you presumably.

    I'd love to be able to help, but my moniker is after Trollopes 'Duke of Omnium. I do like cycling, but I'm not good nor knowledgeable.
    Hmm. Need help here the commentators seemed to know what was going on. No one really l else presumably.
  • I just accidentally clicked on Johnson on the thread header and the dictionary defined it as a man's penis.. interesting if spooky....

    Well, it wouldn’t be a woman’s penis.
    More transphobia from a ScotNat.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That is truly hilarious. What fools these Spectator writers are!
    I have no dog in this fight, but that magazine has boasted some amazing writers in its 2 centuries of publication.

    Douglas Murray went through ALL 200 years of them and chose the four best articles ever. And, when you read them, it is hard not to sit back with a certain awed, dumbstruck admiration. Just pure journalistic genius. The kind of stuff you cannot fake.

    Occasionally, one simply has to stand, and applaud.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/four-of-the-best-spectator-pieces-i-ve-ever-read
    The wanking addiction story I remember from when it was first published. I did wonder even then about the morality of the magazine publishing something from someone so obviously troubled. I hope the author found some help.
  • New Thread

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,965

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That laboured, humourless, seventy thousand word article describes an attempt to spoof an illustrious magazine into running an article, but the spoof failed, because the magazine checked the sources. Have I got that right?

    WOW
    Forget that story, the Spectator is a joke, only bellends who have no grasp on reality write for that magazine these days.

    I mean, Covid-19 deniers and spouse beaters like Rod Liddle and Toby Young for starters.

    Can anyone think of a third journalist who writes for The Spectator to make it the devil's trifecta?
    The Speccie is the oldest weekly magazine in the world, and the most prestigious political magazine in the English speaking world

    It does provoke an awful lot of jealousy, as a consequence - usually from people who would saw off their testicles to get an article published within its pages. Such as yourself

    Trouble is, the Spectator knows this, so it can be a little smug
    I've been published in more august publications than that.

    I'd rather saw off my testicle than have an article published by that AIDS/HIV fake news merchant Andrew Neil.
    Maybe you only get published in August publications because that's when all the proper writers are on holiday?
    The dumbs of August..
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    edited August 2021
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That is truly hilarious. What fools these Spectator writers are!
    I have no dog in this fight, but that magazine has boasted some amazing writers in its 2 centuries of publication.

    Douglas Murray went through ALL 200 years of them and chose the four best articles ever. And, when you read them, it is hard not to sit back with a certain awed, dumbstruck admiration. Just pure journalistic genius. The kind of stuff you cannot fake.

    Occasionally, one simply has to stand, and applaud.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/four-of-the-best-spectator-pieces-i-ve-ever-read
    The wanking addiction story I remember from when it was first published. I did wonder even then about the morality of the magazine publishing something from someone so obviously troubled. I hope the author found some help.
    I don't know if he found "help", but I have heard he found an agent
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    .

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Is the average 20 year old supposed to think that closing the coal mines was a bad thing?
    Anyhow Labour closed more pits and the Tories closed more grammar schools, contrary to wot most people think.
    Labour began the process of closing both however, almost all the few remaining grammar schools are in Tory controlled local authorities
    I was going to say that there are several in Birmingham, but I note you have changed your post.
    Are there? I thought Camp Hill and King Edward's were independent grammar schools now. Although I may be wrong

    Warwickshire however retains grammar schools. The sight of Alcester Grammar School students waiting for their bus at Beckett's Island , Wyrhall (in comprehensive Worcestershire) when back in the day we had a first class comprehensive, which is now a money spinning academy, is depressing.

    I loved comprehensive school, I hated Ledbury Grammar School, not just because of the selection at 11 outrage, but because the standard of interest in anyone but the top 20 students in each year group was minimal.
    @Mexicanpete

    https://www.schoolsofkingedwardvi.co.uk/academy-trust/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    That laboured, humourless, seventy thousand word article describes an attempt to spoof an illustrious magazine into running an article, but the spoof failed, because the magazine checked the sources. Have I got that right?

    WOW
    Forget that story, the Spectator is a joke, only bellends who have no grasp on reality write for that magazine these days.

    I mean, Covid-19 deniers and spouse beaters like Rod Liddle and Toby Young for starters.

    Can anyone think of a third journalist who writes for The Spectator to make it the devil's trifecta?
    The Speccie is the oldest weekly magazine in the world, and the most prestigious political magazine in the English speaking world

    It does provoke an awful lot of jealousy, as a consequence - usually from people who would saw off their testicles to get an article published within its pages. Such as yourself

    Trouble is, the Spectator knows this, so it can be a little smug
    Now that is truly humorous.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723

    I just accidentally clicked on Johnson on the thread header and the dictionary defined it as a man's penis.. interesting if spooky....

    Well, it wouldn’t be a woman’s penis.
    Dont be cnut all your life. Have a day off.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,748
    Leon said:

    And so another exquisite summer evening, sapphire and cerise, humming with the wings of the linnet, draws to a soft, sweetening close like the coda of a wonderful yet forgotten hymn

    NOT

    Don’t know how it was in the smoke but in the sticks it was a delight all day until about 5.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Heathener said:

    And 'burner' has also appeared in every single Michael Connelly novel for the past decade.

    Of course everyone knows what they are.

    Who is Michael Connolly?
    A best selling trashy novelist, and I mean proper best selling, creator of Harry Bosch. Ok for passing the time on a sun lounger though the series is a bit exhausted now. I prefer Robert Crais in that particular line.
    Ah yes, Bosch. I used to devour them on holiday. Ages ago now but I think I recall he was standard 'tough guy with a heart' material but with the quirk that he knocked up a good pasta (and quite often did).
    I am now astounded that I used to hang on Patricia Cornwell's every book. The past is indeed a foreign country.
    Yep - read those too. Kay Scarpetta. Solid work. And I'm confident of low-browing you off the court with Robert Walker's "Jessica Coran" potboilers. There's no way you would have spent hours with them, but I did.
    The Sue Grafton books are my favourite trash.
    She started writing them in the 80's, and kept on going for decades, still setting them in the 80s. Quite the nostalgia trip.
    Och, I'd put them a level above trash, I've reread a few of them which is my personal seal of approval. There's a strand of quality thriller/tec writing (mainly US) which goes back probably to the 50s, Ross McDonald, Tony Hillerman, Laurence Block, Sarah Paretsky, that I'd put in the 'decent' folder. Chandler and Hammett had a very good influence I think.
    Arthur Hailey books are fantastic but he’s largely forgot these days.

    Make a novel out of a snowstorm at an airport or the election of a new chairman of the board at a drug company…
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kle4 said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Lolz, hardened, world weary realpolitickers of the Speccie actually big, fat suckers, who'd have thunk?

    Gerry Hassan
    @GerryHassan
    26m
    This is a brilliant article on the @Spectator's plans to trash @MarcusRashford. Looks like @FraserNelson
    & his pals have been well & truly had. This is the problem when you view the world thru hatred, bile & bigotry. Thank you @deccamitford

    https://tinyurl.com/3ms9smw7

    The War on Woke situation has developed, not necessarily to the Spectator's advantage.
    What it shows is that the Speccy is about as critical as the US Navy concerning explosions in its gun turrets. I mean,. not even checking the bona fides of a journalist leading with an overtly mahooosive story?
    They didn't run the story
    All credit for bouncing back from the 'no one has heard of burner phones' fiasco.
    :smiley:

    But we were also left with a new meme: "The Culture" which I shall treasure. Presumably not to be confused with Culture Club.

    Anyway, no one in The Culture had heard of burners, or burner phones to use the tautology.
    It's been awhile since I read a Culture novel, but perhaps they don't use phones in them.
    Pretty sure the heroine of Use of Weapons buys and uses one at some stage.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    ydoethur said:

    .

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Is the average 20 year old supposed to think that closing the coal mines was a bad thing?
    Anyhow Labour closed more pits and the Tories closed more grammar schools, contrary to wot most people think.
    Labour began the process of closing both however, almost all the few remaining grammar schools are in Tory controlled local authorities
    I was going to say that there are several in Birmingham, but I note you have changed your post.
    Are there? I thought Camp Hill and King Edward's were independent grammar schools now. Although I may be wrong

    Warwickshire however retains grammar schools. The sight of Alcester Grammar School students waiting for their bus at Beckett's Island , Wyrhall (in comprehensive Worcestershire) when back in the day we had a first class comprehensive, which is now a money spinning academy, is depressing.

    I loved comprehensive school, I hated Ledbury Grammar School, not just because of the selection at 11 outrage, but because the standard of interest in anyone but the top 20 students in each year group was minimal.
    @Mexicanpete

    https://www.schoolsofkingedwardvi.co.uk/academy-trust/
    I guess there was a key window during which an authority had to avoid a Labour administration, the cross party line seems to have long been to maintain the status quo on whatever grammar schools there are - even before academisation took its out of their hands. Thus grammars in Lancashire, Kirklees, Calderdale and, erm, Liverpool.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grammar_schools_in_England?wprov=sfla1
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ydoethur said:

    .

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Is the average 20 year old supposed to think that closing the coal mines was a bad thing?
    Anyhow Labour closed more pits and the Tories closed more grammar schools, contrary to wot most people think.
    Labour began the process of closing both however, almost all the few remaining grammar schools are in Tory controlled local authorities
    I was going to say that there are several in Birmingham, but I note you have changed your post.
    Are there? I thought Camp Hill and King Edward's were independent grammar schools now. Although I may be wrong

    Warwickshire however retains grammar schools. The sight of Alcester Grammar School students waiting for their bus at Beckett's Island , Wyrhall (in comprehensive Worcestershire) when back in the day we had a first class comprehensive, which is now a money spinning academy, is depressing.

    I loved comprehensive school, I hated Ledbury Grammar School, not just because of the selection at 11 outrage, but because the standard of interest in anyone but the top 20 students in each year group was minimal.
    @Mexicanpete

    https://www.schoolsofkingedwardvi.co.uk/academy-trust/
    @ydoethur

    After Hereford and Worcester went comprehensive (I was the second non-11 plus taking year in the Redditch area) all the super clever kids in Hollywood and Wythall, where I lived would take the entrance exams for King Edwards or Camp Hill, some tried in conjunction with the 11 plus in earlier years...very, very few got in.

    The fact King Edwards's is now an academy doesn't cheer me up.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,668
    edited August 2021
    Pro_Rata said:

    ydoethur said:

    .

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Is the average 20 year old supposed to think that closing the coal mines was a bad thing?
    Anyhow Labour closed more pits and the Tories closed more grammar schools, contrary to wot most people think.
    Labour began the process of closing both however, almost all the few remaining grammar schools are in Tory controlled local authorities
    I was going to say that there are several in Birmingham, but I note you have changed your post.
    Are there? I thought Camp Hill and King Edward's were independent grammar schools now. Although I may be wrong

    Warwickshire however retains grammar schools. The sight of Alcester Grammar School students waiting for their bus at Beckett's Island , Wyrhall (in comprehensive Worcestershire) when back in the day we had a first class comprehensive, which is now a money spinning academy, is depressing.

    I loved comprehensive school, I hated Ledbury Grammar School, not just because of the selection at 11 outrage, but because the standard of interest in anyone but the top 20 students in each year group was minimal.
    @Mexicanpete

    https://www.schoolsofkingedwardvi.co.uk/academy-trust/
    I guess there was a key window during which an authority had to avoid a Labour administration, the cross party line seems to have long been to maintain the status quo on whatever grammar schools there are - even before academisation took its out of their hands. Thus grammars in Lancashire, Kirklees, Calderdale and, erm, Liverpool.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grammar_schools_in_England?wprov=sfla1
    Derek Hatton tried to close Liverpool Bluecoat in the 1980s ("too middle class") but it was somehow saved by the government. It was single sex at the time (and had a few boarders, mostly forces children) but I believe it has dropped the boarding now and has gone co-educational. Still getting decent results though...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    edited August 2021

    ydoethur said:

    .

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Is the average 20 year old supposed to think that closing the coal mines was a bad thing?
    Anyhow Labour closed more pits and the Tories closed more grammar schools, contrary to wot most people think.
    Labour began the process of closing both however, almost all the few remaining grammar schools are in Tory controlled local authorities
    I was going to say that there are several in Birmingham, but I note you have changed your post.
    Are there? I thought Camp Hill and King Edward's were independent grammar schools now. Although I may be wrong

    Warwickshire however retains grammar schools. The sight of Alcester Grammar School students waiting for their bus at Beckett's Island , Wyrhall (in comprehensive Worcestershire) when back in the day we had a first class comprehensive, which is now a money spinning academy, is depressing.

    I loved comprehensive school, I hated Ledbury Grammar School, not just because of the selection at 11 outrage, but because the standard of interest in anyone but the top 20 students in each year group was minimal.
    @Mexicanpete

    https://www.schoolsofkingedwardvi.co.uk/academy-trust/
    @ydoethur

    After Hereford and Worcester went comprehensive (I was the second non-11 plus taking year in the Redditch area) all the super clever kids in Hollywood and Wythall, where I lived would take the entrance exams for King Edwards or Camp Hill, some tried in conjunction with the 11 plus in earlier years...very, very few got in.

    The fact King Edwards's is now an academy doesn't cheer me up.
    Truthfully, I wasn’t expecting it to. I was just confirming they were still state schools. I think you may have been getting confused with King Edward’s in Edgbaston, which does consist of two independent schools.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    .

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Latest from The Clown’s jaunt to the Jock colony:

    Johnson sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher (!?) because… wait for it… she closed all the Scottish coal mines.

    And somebody yesterday suggested that the PM was going to be “delicate” (sic) on his foreign trip.

    Is the average 20 year old supposed to think that closing the coal mines was a bad thing?
    Anyhow Labour closed more pits and the Tories closed more grammar schools, contrary to wot most people think.
    Labour began the process of closing both however, almost all the few remaining grammar schools are in Tory controlled local authorities
    I was going to say that there are several in Birmingham, but I note you have changed your post.
    Are there? I thought Camp Hill and King Edward's were independent grammar schools now. Although I may be wrong

    Warwickshire however retains grammar schools. The sight of Alcester Grammar School students waiting for their bus at Beckett's Island , Wyrhall (in comprehensive Worcestershire) when back in the day we had a first class comprehensive, which is now a money spinning academy, is depressing.

    I loved comprehensive school, I hated Ledbury Grammar School, not just because of the selection at 11 outrage, but because the standard of interest in anyone but the top 20 students in each year group was minimal.
    @Mexicanpete

    https://www.schoolsofkingedwardvi.co.uk/academy-trust/
    @ydoethur

    After Hereford and Worcester went comprehensive (I was the second non-11 plus taking year in the Redditch area) all the super clever kids in Hollywood and Wythall, where I lived would take the entrance exams for King Edwards or Camp Hill, some tried in conjunction with the 11 plus in earlier years...very, very few got in.

    The fact King Edwards's is now an academy doesn't cheer me up.
    Truthfully, I wasn’t expecting it to. I was just confirming they were still state schools. I think you may have been getting confused with King Edward’s in Edgbaston, which does consist of two independent schools.
    Yes, I was differentiating King Edward's from King Edward's Camp Hill. Both were prestigious back in the late sixties and early seventies. I left Wythall for Ledbury in 1976, which is a very, very, very long time ago. Much may have changed in almost half a century.
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