If the Daily Mail has to put a phrase in inverted commas because it will strike readers as odd and not immediately understandable, then it is safe to say it has not entered the common lexicon. So yeah, you aren't plugged into The Culture or you would sense this
It will be understood by anyone who watches American crime dramas.
As to effective messaging - who knows. It does have a hint of preaching to the fan club, though.
It’s as effective as saying “Keir Starmer’s the Jeb Bartlett of the UK”
Next we will have Angela Rayner saying "Sunak is running an economy like a Hopper doing reup" in a heavy Baltimore accent
I've just been watching the Olympics climbing on Red Button. I'm unsure if it should be an Olympic sport, but it's spectacular, and they're certainly athletes.
And 'burner' has also appeared in every single Michael Connelly novel for the past decade.
Of course everyone knows what they are.
Who is Michael Connolly?
A best selling trashy novelist, and I mean proper best selling, creator of Harry Bosch. Ok for passing the time on a sun lounger though the series is a bit exhausted now. I prefer Robert Crais in that particular line.
Q: Why did the chicken cross the road? A: To avoid meeting Nicola Sturgeon...
I approve of Boris putting Nicola in her place. It’s a delicate balance, and he needs to avoid insulting the Scots, but Nicola pretends to a status she simply does not have.
She is the First Minister. And this is not an isolated incident but a sustained pattern of refusal to engage. Which is not good for government at any level.
Nicola is given an inch and takes a yard. She pretty much weaponises all her engagements with U.K. level people and institutions.
Perhaps a period of isolation is indeed called for.
"Is called for": it's been inflicted by the government in Whitehall for years now, was my point.
Well we probably agree that Whitehall’s approach to Scotland has been disastrous.
But I’m fed up with Nicola. She is largely given a free ride by the media, too, even though she wants to BREAK UP MY COUNTRY.
Please be precise: your state. Noit your country.
Not this crap again.
Nationalists rightly dont like being told their view of nationality is invalid. Unionists rightly dont like it either.
Country status is inherently arbitrary as all matters of borders and identity are. They are real if people consider them real, and if they can persuade others internationally they can get recognised.
Insulting people by saying their country is not a country is just being impolite for no reason, since theres no objective reality to it.
The UK is my country. England is too, in this country of countries. It is perfectly ok for people to not feel the same and to want to break up either of those entities or indeed both. But they don't get to determine what others feel anymore than I could determine what they feel.
Well for me my only country is Scotland, UK is not and never has been a "country" and anyone pretending so is not right in the tattie.
This is my precise point malc. You dont consider it your country, whatever legalities exist. That's your view and its fine. You cannot be forced to feel an attachment to the UK.
Why be so rude and deny the validity of others taking a different view though? Who are you to claim you have the right to declare your country is a country but others who take a different view cannot do the same?
That's just plain disrespectful to one another and I cannot see the point - my view that the UK is my country, held by many, in no way diminishes your strong view that only Scotland is your country. Sure, someone will point to states and law, but your identity remains unaffected to you.
Why cannot my identity be real? Because it was a legal construct centuries ago? All countries are constructs, they are all real if enough people feel they are.
You dont want your identity dictated by others - why is it therefore ok for you to dictate about others' identities?
All countries are ultimately imaginary constructs, from San Marino to China. If everyone woke up tomorrow and stopped believing in, say, Canada then Canada would cease to exist. As an intellectual challenge try and come up with a workable definition of "Europe" (not just the EU) that is not a cultural contruct.
Europe is that part of Asia being shoved up towards the North Pole by the drift northwards of Africa.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
It is exactly the opposite. It is a term which sounds cool and trendy to much older people, but is *cringe* with young people, if they even understand it. Remember that one of the biggest fans of Line of Duty is the Queen.
This explains why the Uniondivvie is so turned on by it, as an elderly Scot it makes him feel part of Da Yoof, for a few sad, poignant seconds
That's why you're all talking about it, eh? Pretty much ANY line by a shadow Cabinet Minister that gets any attention at all is a standout success.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
And even if you don't know exactly what a burner phone is, it doesn't sound reputable, does it?
(The number of Conservative-friendly posters who've pounced on this as a bad idea does make me think it's probably a good idea that needs to be rubbished. Remember chaps- Never interrupt your enemy if they're making a mistake.)
Even if they are right and it's the very youngest who don't get it, it still has meaning for the 20 and 30 and 40 somethings, also Labour territory.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
Leon, you have shocked me. I think 99% of population know what a burner phone is. I can't think of any appropriate TV or film doesn't mention them umpteen times.
Obviously appropriate is important. They don't crop up much in Pride and Prejudice.
Possibly on topic - I've noticed that my more left friend struggle with condemning Sunak. Obviously they can't like him - Evul Tory - but they find it hard to really go to town.
I think the most dangerous development for both LAB and the LDs would be the Tories replacing Johnson with Sunak in the run-up to the general election.
Unlikely as long as the Tories continue to lead the polls.
Thatcher was only replaced by her Chancellor, Major, once the Tories trailed Kinnock's Labour badly after the poll tax.
Sunak may be the most popular senior politician at the moment but Boris still has higher favourables than Starmer too.
It looks like Starmer's best chance of becoming PM would be for Priti Patel to become Tory leader, she looks to be far more unpopular than Boris overall
The Tories are polling worse than the 11.7% lead at GE2019 - therefore they will lose seats. They'll also suffer in Remain seats where the LDs are in second place and there are a lot of graduates.
They polled worse than that 11.7% lead in 11 of the last 13 polls before GE2019 too!
Any polling which shows the Tories in decline is immutable. Any seat the LDs win in a by-election will be retained and extended to gains all over the south. Do keep up! Don't you know any history?!
Q: Why did the chicken cross the road? A: To avoid meeting Nicola Sturgeon...
I approve of Boris putting Nicola in her place. It’s a delicate balance, and he needs to avoid insulting the Scots, but Nicola pretends to a status she simply does not have.
She is the First Minister. And this is not an isolated incident but a sustained pattern of refusal to engage. Which is not good for government at any level.
Nicola is given an inch and takes a yard. She pretty much weaponises all her engagements with U.K. level people and institutions.
Perhaps a period of isolation is indeed called for.
"Is called for": it's been inflicted by the government in Whitehall for years now, was my point.
Well we probably agree that Whitehall’s approach to Scotland has been disastrous.
But I’m fed up with Nicola. She is largely given a free ride by the media, too, even though she wants to BREAK UP MY COUNTRY.
Please be precise: your state. Noit your country.
Not this crap again.
Nationalists rightly dont like being told their view of nationality is invalid. Unionists rightly dont like it either.
Country status is inherently arbitrary as all matters of borders and identity are. They are real if people consider them real, and if they can persuade others internationally they can get recognised.
Insulting people by saying their country is not a country is just being impolite for no reason, since theres no objective reality to it.
The UK is my country. England is too, in this country of countries. It is perfectly ok for people to not feel the same and to want to break up either of those entities or indeed both. But they don't get to determine what others feel anymore than I could determine what they feel.
Well for me my only country is Scotland, UK is not and never has been a "country" and anyone pretending so is not right in the tattie.
This is my precise point malc. You dont consider it your country, whatever legalities exist. That's your view and its fine. You cannot be forced to feel an attachment to the UK.
Why be so rude and deny the validity of others taking a different view though? Who are you to claim you have the right to declare your country is a country but others who take a different view cannot do the same?
That's just plain disrespectful to one another and I cannot see the point - my view that the UK is my country, held by many, in no way diminishes your strong view that only Scotland is your country. Sure, someone will point to states and law, but your identity remains unaffected to you.
Why cannot my identity be real? Because it was a legal construct centuries ago? All countries are constructs, they are all real if enough people feel they are.
You dont want your identity dictated by others - why is it therefore ok for you to dictate about others' identities?
All countries are ultimately imaginary constructs, from San Marino to China. If everyone woke up tomorrow and stopped believing in, say, Canada then Canada would cease to exist. As an intellectual challenge try and come up with a workable definition of "Europe" (not just the EU) that is not a cultural contruct.
Europe is that part of Asia being shoved up towards the North Pole by the drift northwards of Africa.
See my full post...as i said you need the family onboard, but is one thing for them to come and speak to.the media, is more dicey for government to go round putting feelers out if familes want to do this.
You could easily find they are no fans of the government and perhaps blame Boris handling in part for higher than necessary cases etc. And then they go to the media and say our lovely son died, and the bastards from the government.want to spin it to boost their vaccine campaign.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
It is exactly the opposite. It is a term which sounds cool and trendy to much older people, but is *cringe* with young people, if they even understand it. Remember that one of the biggest fans of Line of Duty is the Queen.
This explains why the Uniondivvie is so turned on by it, as an elderly Scot it makes him feel part of Da Yoof, for a few sad, poignant seconds
That's why you're all talking about it, eh? Pretty much ANY line by a shadow Cabinet Minister that gets any attention at all is a standout success.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
That’s what I disagree about - so he’s saying the government are like a criminal gang? I don’t think that will resonate with people.
It’s too clever by half.
I’m willing to bet that people don’t raise this on the doorsteps at the next election
Edit: and the claim that the government is acting like a criminal gang won’t gain traction because it is implausible to most voters
It's also implying that the government are acting like a competent criminal gang and the British public generally like competent governments (yes, I know they voted for Johnson, but the alternative was Corbyn!)
I've just been watching the Olympics climbing on Red Button. I'm unsure if it should be an Olympic sport, but it's spectacular, and they're certainly athletes.
Despite all the attempted codification about amateurs, peak of the sport, faster, strong higher etc, imo criticisms of which sports are in generally comes down to should something not be an Olympic sport because it wasn't one when we were growing up.
And the answer is no, that does not matter, if you look at the history of the Olympics the sports included have always been changing, and indeed should do to reflect their own era. Lots of people stay fit through climbing, it can be done competitively, so why not an Olympic sport?
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
It is exactly the opposite. It is a term which sounds cool and trendy to much older people, but is *cringe* with young people, if they even understand it. Remember that one of the biggest fans of Line of Duty is the Queen.
This explains why the Uniondivvie is so turned on by it, as an elderly Scot it makes him feel part of Da Yoof, for a few sad, poignant seconds
That's why you're all talking about it, eh? Pretty much ANY line by a shadow Cabinet Minister that gets any attention at all is a standout success.
Yep. 'This is a terrible line with absolutely no resonance, and here are 30 posts from me proving it!'
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
Edit: Leon's reservations noted, however.
So young people watch Line of Duty? So young people watch TV? And this will get them off their backsides to vote Labour. It's a view.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
Leon, you have shocked me. I think 99% of population know what a burner phone is. I can't think of any appropriate TV or film doesn't mention them umpteen times.
Obviously appropriate is important. They don't crop up much in Pride and Prejudice.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
It is exactly the opposite. It is a term which sounds cool and trendy to much older people, but is *cringe* with young people, if they even understand it. Remember that one of the biggest fans of Line of Duty is the Queen.
This explains why the Uniondivvie is so turned on by it, as an elderly Scot it makes him feel part of Da Yoof, for a few sad, poignant seconds
The Queen likes Line of Duty? She has gone up in my estimation. My Dad is 95 and has no desire to watch it and if he did would not have a clue what is going on.
Did she tell you that personally Leon?
And he's far more likley to vote than anyone under 40!
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
It is exactly the opposite. It is a term which sounds cool and trendy to much older people, but is *cringe* with young people, if they even understand it. Remember that one of the biggest fans of Line of Duty is the Queen.
This explains why the Uniondivvie is so turned on by it, as an elderly Scot it makes him feel part of Da Yoof, for a few sad, poignant seconds
That's why you're all talking about it, eh? Pretty much ANY line by a shadow Cabinet Minister that gets any attention at all is a standout success.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
Edit: Leon's reservations noted, however.
Anyone who knows anything about criminals' use of mobile technology, either IRL or mediated through police procedural dramas like the Wire or Line of Duty, knows what a burner phone is. I would guess that that knowledge is fairly widely distributed among the population.
I wonder if it was the dissing of the RNLI that did it for Ms Patel?
She's also losing favour with the kind of people who wanted to stop all migration to the UK. The story about paying France £54m to stop migration went down very badly.
Personally I'd love to see the UK opening up its borders and welcoming people with open arms and to have the kind of wonderful cosmopolitan life which made this country such a beacon. But the kind of Brexiteers who loathe all of that and call it 'woke' aren't very happy with Ms Patel right now.
Would you? And have you thought through the consequences of such a policy?
Merkel did that and Germany received over a million migrants in less than a year.
Now, you might still be in favour of that but at least be honest with yourself (and others) as to what you're proposing.
What is quite strange with this ISPOS-MORI poll, to me anyway, is that 39% "Dont Know" about Sir Keir, whereas the last two polls by them had 23% and 27% saying so - The more people see him the more they don't know? Is that usual?
...... a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
It is exactly the opposite. It is a term which sounds cool and trendy to much older people, but is *cringe* with young people, if they even understand it. Remember that one of the biggest fans of Line of Duty is the Queen.
This explains why the Uniondivvie is so turned on by it, as an elderly Scot it makes him feel part of Da Yoof, for a few sad, poignant seconds
That's why you're all talking about it, eh? Pretty much ANY line by a shadow Cabinet Minister that gets any attention at all is a standout success.
Very little that is talked about on here has any traction in the world beyond - not even Scott'n' Paste with his fake Covid figures that made the EU look good.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
It is exactly the opposite. It is a term which sounds cool and trendy to much older people, but is *cringe* with young people, if they even understand it. Remember that one of the biggest fans of Line of Duty is the Queen.
This explains why the Uniondivvie is so turned on by it, as an elderly Scot it makes him feel part of Da Yoof, for a few sad, poignant seconds
That's why you're all talking about it, eh? Pretty much ANY line by a shadow Cabinet Minister that gets any attention at all is a standout success.
Er, no, Nick. We're laughing at it
*new SLAB leader no. N announced*
*PBTories laud him/her/it as saviour of the Union*
*PBScots have fun dissecting Leader N [edit: metaphorically!]*
My understanding of a burner phone is one you buy off the shelf with a new SIM and pay-as-you-go credit already loaded onto it, and bin as soon as you've used it.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
And even if you don't know exactly what a burner phone is, it doesn't sound reputable, does it?
(The number of Conservative-friendly posters who've pounced on this as a bad idea does make me think it's probably a good idea that needs to be rubbished. Remember chaps- Never interrupt your enemy if they're making a mistake.)
Even if they are right and it's the very youngest who don't get it, it still has meaning for the 20 and 30 and 40 somethings, also Labour territory.
So those who already vote Labour will er.. vote Labour?
Sort of astonishing that the UK has recorded 3.5x as many cases as the US (per capita) in the last two months, but the US death rate (per capita) is already back above the UK equivalent.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
Edit: Leon's reservations noted, however.
Anyone who knows anything about criminals' use of mobile technology, either IRL or mediated through police procedural dramas like the Wire or Line of Duty, knows what a burner phone is. I would guess that that knowledge is fairly widely distributed among the population.
Even better from Labour's p of v.. Nothing lost, and the odd Tory might actually abstain or vote LD.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
And even if you don't know exactly what a burner phone is, it doesn't sound reputable, does it?
(The number of Conservative-friendly posters who've pounced on this as a bad idea does make me think it's probably a good idea that needs to be rubbished. Remember chaps- Never interrupt your enemy if they're making a mistake.)
Even if they are right and it's the very youngest who don't get it, it still has meaning for the 20 and 30 and 40 somethings, also Labour territory.
So those who already vote Labour will er.. vote Labour?
All to improve the turnout. And there are switch voters.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
Leon, you have shocked me. I think 99% of population know what a burner phone is. I can't think of any appropriate TV or film doesn't mention them umpteen times.
Obviously appropriate is important. They don't crop up much in Pride and Prejudice.
To make it even more helplessly confusing, Cherry's accusation is literal: apparently she reckons government ministers are actually using burner phones (in the sense of cheap phones then discarded to hide information - yet another definition)
She does not mean it metaphorically
Gove's reply is: "what is a burner phone?"
I have a vague nagging sense that HMG will survive this brilliant social media onslaught using a phrase popularised in an American crime drama made 19 years ago
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
It is exactly the opposite. It is a term which sounds cool and trendy to much older people, but is *cringe* with young people, if they even understand it. Remember that one of the biggest fans of Line of Duty is the Queen.
This explains why the Uniondivvie is so turned on by it, as an elderly Scot it makes him feel part of Da Yoof, for a few sad, poignant seconds
That's why you're all talking about it, eh? Pretty much ANY line by a shadow Cabinet Minister that gets any attention at all is a standout success.
Wasn't John Trickett (a fervent Corbynista) fired by Sir Keir?
I've just been watching the Olympics climbing on Red Button. I'm unsure if it should be an Olympic sport, but it's spectacular, and they're certainly athletes.
It’s the business, I love it.
For a progressive sport, I was surprised the Spanish contender was known as ‘El Matador’ though!
I wonder if it was the dissing of the RNLI that did it for Ms Patel?
That and the whole take-the-knee thing I'd have thought. She just sounded like a cynical politician on the make.
We have no previous data. She has never been flavour of the month with anyone rational, surely.
This ConHome survey implies quite a drop, though DYOR on probably different methodology, not to mention different population, and timing vis a vis footie kneelers and RNLI heroes:
"Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, also saw her support among the party's grassroots plummet in July. Patel’s net approval ratings were down 20 points, from 46 to 26, between June and July."
Be careful of confirmation bias.
It's far more likely that this is because she's totally failed to get a grip on the croas-channel crossings.
I notice a new record number of 482 successfully crossed yesterday, making it over 10,000 this year - so far.
Personally, I would be looking to work with the Belgians and the other countries on Frances’s northern borders. We only see a small fraction of the French asylum seekers who choose to “self deport”, and we all have a common interest in discouraging France behaving as it does.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
It is exactly the opposite. It is a term which sounds cool and trendy to much older people, but is *cringe* with young people, if they even understand it. Remember that one of the biggest fans of Line of Duty is the Queen.
This explains why the Uniondivvie is so turned on by it, as an elderly Scot it makes him feel part of Da Yoof, for a few sad, poignant seconds
That's why you're all talking about it, eh? Pretty much ANY line by a shadow Cabinet Minister that gets any attention at all is a standout success.
Er, no, Nick. We're laughing at it
*new SLAB leader no. N announced*
*PBTories laud him/her/it as saviour of the Union*
*PBScots have fun dissecting Leader N*
PBTories: "Look how worried the nats are!"
A line that PB Yoons should have tattoed on their forehead, or at least have as a screensaver.
'Jim Murphy: I'm Astonished By How Easy It's Been To Outwit The SNP'
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
And even if you don't know exactly what a burner phone is, it doesn't sound reputable, does it?
(The number of Conservative-friendly posters who've pounced on this as a bad idea does make me think it's probably a good idea that needs to be rubbished. Remember chaps- Never interrupt your enemy if they're making a mistake.)
Even if they are right and it's the very youngest who don't get it, it still has meaning for the 20 and 30 and 40 somethings, also Labour territory.
So those who already vote Labour will er.. vote Labour?
All to improve the turnout. And there are switch voters.
We're all agog now waiting for the Starmer surge in the next polls.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
Leon, you have shocked me. I think 99% of population know what a burner phone is. I can't think of any appropriate TV or film doesn't mention them umpteen times.
Obviously appropriate is important. They don't crop up much in Pride and Prejudice.
To make it even more helplessly confusing, Cherry's accusation is literal: apparently she reckons government ministers are actually using burner phones (in the sense of cheap phones then discarded to hide information - yet another definition)
She does not mean it metaphorically
Gove's reply is: "what is a burner phone?"
I have a vague nagging sense that HMG will survive this brilliant social media onslaught using a phrase popularised in an American crime drama made 19 years ago
Are viewers on the side of people using burner phones in these shows or against them?
And 'burner' has also appeared in every single Michael Connelly novel for the past decade.
Of course everyone knows what they are.
Who is Michael Connolly?
Not a book reader then
Currently reading R. D, Blackmore's Lorna Doone, so about 150 years to catch up. Mainly read history and science, with the cheeky bit of historical fiction thrown in.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
It is exactly the opposite. It is a term which sounds cool and trendy to much older people, but is *cringe* with young people, if they even understand it. Remember that one of the biggest fans of Line of Duty is the Queen.
This explains why the Uniondivvie is so turned on by it, as an elderly Scot it makes him feel part of Da Yoof, for a few sad, poignant seconds
That's why you're all talking about it, eh? Pretty much ANY line by a shadow Cabinet Minister that gets any attention at all is a standout success.
Er, no, Nick. We're laughing at it
Someone posting it on here and everyone else ripping the piss out of it is hardly first item on the News at Ten
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
I doubt more than 10% of people know what one is. That's based on me not knowing though!
Hard to believe that anyone in the country apart from a few old fogeys do not know what a Burner is. You would need to be ancient , not watch TV and never read modern crime books.
And 'burner' has also appeared in every single Michael Connelly novel for the past decade.
Of course everyone knows what they are.
Who is Michael Connolly?
A best selling trashy novelist, and I mean proper best selling, creator of Harry Bosch. Ok for passing the time on a sun lounger though the series is a bit exhausted now. I prefer Robert Crais in that particular line.
Ah yes, Bosch. I used to devour them on holiday. Ages ago now but I think I recall he was standard 'tough guy with a heart' material but with the quirk that he knocked up a good pasta (and quite often did).
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
Leon, you have shocked me. I think 99% of population know what a burner phone is. I can't think of any appropriate TV or film doesn't mention them umpteen times.
Obviously appropriate is important. They don't crop up much in Pride and Prejudice.
To make it even more helplessly confusing, Cherry's accusation is literal: apparently she reckons government ministers are actually using burner phones (in the sense of cheap phones then discarded to hide information - yet another definition)
She does not mean it metaphorically
Gove's reply is: "what is a burner phone?"
I have a vague nagging sense that HMG will survive this brilliant social media onslaught using a phrase popularised in an American crime drama made 19 years ago
Are viewers on the side of people using burner phones in these shows or against them?
Many of the shows try the fun trick of making the actual bad guys into the protagonists and then see how far you can push this without the audience turning against them.
And 'burner' has also appeared in every single Michael Connelly novel for the past decade.
Of course everyone knows what they are.
Who is Michael Connolly?
A best selling trashy novelist, and I mean proper best selling, creator of Harry Bosch. Ok for passing the time on a sun lounger though the series is a bit exhausted now. I prefer Robert Crais in that particular line.
Early books were good TUD, and as you say easy reading and recent ones not so great. I did like Bosch though.
I've just been watching the Olympics climbing on Red Button. I'm unsure if it should be an Olympic sport, but it's spectacular, and they're certainly athletes.
Despite all the attempted codification about amateurs, peak of the sport, faster, strong higher etc, imo criticisms of which sports are in generally comes down to should something not be an Olympic sport because it wasn't one when we were growing up.
And the answer is no, that does not matter, if you look at the history of the Olympics the sports included have always been changing, and indeed should do to reflect their own era. Lots of people stay fit through climbing, it can be done competitively, so why not an Olympic sport?
As I think was discussed the other day, how it's scored matters IMV. Climbing seems to be a complex scoring system between the different climbs, but there does not appear to be judging involved. It's definitely a sport.
But these guys are amazing. I wonder if the women use the same course, or a different one?
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
That’s what I disagree about - so he’s saying the government are like a criminal gang? I don’t think that will resonate with people.
It’s a poorly conceived marketing message
I'm sure that the 5% of people who know what a burner phone is will contain many who think the government is indeed criminal and the remainder won't know what a burner phone is so will be none the wiser, nor will it resonate or not resonate.
And 'burner' has also appeared in every single Michael Connelly novel for the past decade.
Of course everyone knows what they are.
Who is Michael Connolly?
A best selling trashy novelist, and I mean proper best selling, creator of Harry Bosch. Ok for passing the time on a sun lounger though the series is a bit exhausted now. I prefer Robert Crais in that particular line.
Ah yes, Bosch. I used to devour them on holiday. Ages ago now but I think I recall he was standard 'tough guy with a heart' material but with the quirk that he knocked up a good pasta (and quite often did).
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
I doubt more than 10% of people know what one is. That's based on me not knowing though!
Hard to believe that anyone in the country apart from a few old fogeys do not know what a Burner is. You would need to be ancient , not watch TV and never read modern crime books.
Never seen one on Midsomer Murders, and that’s pretty ‘edgy’
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
It is exactly the opposite. It is a term which sounds cool and trendy to much older people, but is *cringe* with young people, if they even understand it. Remember that one of the biggest fans of Line of Duty is the Queen.
This explains why the Uniondivvie is so turned on by it, as an elderly Scot it makes him feel part of Da Yoof, for a few sad, poignant seconds
That's why you're all talking about it, eh? Pretty much ANY line by a shadow Cabinet Minister that gets any attention at all is a standout success.
Er, no, Nick. We're laughing at it
*new SLAB leader no. N announced*
*PBTories laud him/her/it as saviour of the Union*
*PBScots have fun dissecting Leader N*
PBTories: "Look how worried the nats are!"
A line that PB Yoons should have tattoed on their forehead, or at least have as a screensaver.
'Jim Murphy: I'm Astonished By How Easy It's Been To Outwit The SNP'
I know it's a diversion, but that speech was so widely touted along the lines of "In terms of election targets, Murphy has an ambitious plan to not lose a single seat to the SNP" - in terms of prophecies, right up there with the Delphic Oracle's reply to King Croesus when he asked who would win if he started a war with the Persians.
And 'burner' has also appeared in every single Michael Connelly novel for the past decade.
Of course everyone knows what they are.
Who is Michael Connolly?
A best selling trashy novelist, and I mean proper best selling, creator of Harry Bosch. Ok for passing the time on a sun lounger though the series is a bit exhausted now. I prefer Robert Crais in that particular line.
Ah yes, Bosch. I used to devour them on holiday. Ages ago now but I think I recall he was standard 'tough guy with a heart' material but with the quirk that he knocked up a good pasta (and quite often did).
I am now astounded that I used to hang on Patricia Cornwell's every book. The past is indeed a foreign country.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
Leon, you have shocked me. I think 99% of population know what a burner phone is. I can't think of any appropriate TV or film doesn't mention them umpteen times.
Obviously appropriate is important. They don't crop up much in Pride and Prejudice.
To make it even more helplessly confusing, Cherry's accusation is literal: apparently she reckons government ministers are actually using burner phones (in the sense of cheap phones then discarded to hide information - yet another definition)
She does not mean it metaphorically
Gove's reply is: "what is a burner phone?"
I have a vague nagging sense that HMG will survive this brilliant social media onslaught using a phrase popularised in an American crime drama made 19 years ago
Are viewers on the side of people using burner phones in these shows or against them?
lol. Generally against, I guess, but heroes also use them as do lovable rogues and renegades
And 'burner' has also appeared in every single Michael Connelly novel for the past decade.
Of course everyone knows what they are.
Who is Michael Connolly?
Not a book reader then
Currently reading R. D, Blackmore's Lorna Doone, so about 150 years to catch up. Mainly read history and science, with the cheeky bit of historical fiction thrown in.
Some light trash now and again is good. Easy reading on a sunny day with a few beers.
I've just been watching the Olympics climbing on Red Button. I'm unsure if it should be an Olympic sport, but it's spectacular, and they're certainly athletes.
It’s the business, I love it.
For a progressive sport, I was surprised the Spanish contender was known as ‘El Matador’ though!
Not sure it should be an olympic sport, it'll be clinging on by it's fingernails to be included at Paris.
My understanding of a burner phone is one you buy off the shelf with a new SIM and pay-as-you-go credit already loaded onto it, and bin as soon as you've used it.
Yep. Think that's right. And I'd say that more people than not would know this.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
I doubt more than 10% of people know what one is. That's based on me not knowing though!
Hard to believe that anyone in the country apart from a few old fogeys do not know what a Burner is. You would need to be ancient , not watch TV and never read modern crime books.
Never seen one on Midsomer Murders, and that’s pretty ‘edgy’
OH, that's in the depths of the TV countryside. It's either proper 5gs for the second home, or telegrams on bikes.
If the Daily Mail has to put a phrase in inverted commas because it will strike readers as odd and not immediately understandable, then it is safe to say it has not entered the common lexicon. So yeah, you aren't plugged into The Culture or you would sense this
It will be understood by anyone who watches American crime dramas.
As to effective messaging - who knows. It does have a hint of preaching to the fan club, though.
It’s as effective as saying “Keir Starmer’s the Jeb Bartlett of the UK”
No - that is specific reference to a particular show.
In most crime shows, the burner phone thing is what the "pro"s do - it is part of the theatre to demonstrate their savvy. Much like the improbable weapon skills.
If the Daily Mail has to put a phrase in inverted commas because it will strike readers as odd and not immediately understandable, then it is safe to say it has not entered the common lexicon. So yeah, you aren't plugged into The Culture or you would sense this
It will be understood by anyone who watches American crime dramas.
As to effective messaging - who knows. It does have a hint of preaching to the fan club, though.
I'm not even sure that is true. And this is partly because, if you google the phrase, there is dispute as to what it means, even for those who use the term
For some it means a non-smart phone that is simply cheap and can be thrown away if it "gets traced"
For others it is a phone that can be easily bought and used with a false identity
For others it is a cheap phone that must have prepaid minutes
And so on.
Therefore Charles is right, even if you have a decent grasp of what a burner phone is (one of these or similar definitions) then it is not clear what charge Labour is making against the government
"Government by burner phone". It reckon it is a line which sounded cool and hip to middle aged people in an ideas meeting, but now withers in embarrassment when it encounters the real world, like one of those deep-water fish in Lake Baikal which explode when they hit the surface
Eh?
A burner phone (& associated number) is one which Is not connected with you, and which you will throw away.
So, if you were a drug dealer, you would use it to make transactions for a month and then bin it. If you were an insider trader, you would take advantage of the fact there was no link between that phone and you.
It’s a pretty common term, and it has only one meaning.
Whether it’s an effective attack line is another matter altogether.
I wonder if it was the dissing of the RNLI that did it for Ms Patel?
All 3 are absolutely crap so it is no surprise other than fact that they ever were polling higher.
These three people have devoted their lives to public service in our great country and we should show them some respect. Now many of us hope that the first retires gracefully fairly soon, to be replaced by someone who asks to second to concentrate on her constituents, and can beat the third. I think we need to treat our politicians more kindly else only those with hearts of stone will bear through.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
I doubt more than 10% of people know what one is. That's based on me not knowing though!
Hard to believe that anyone in the country apart from a few old fogeys do not know what a Burner is. You would need to be ancient , not watch TV and never read modern crime books.
Never seen one on Midsomer Murders, and that’s pretty ‘edgy’
If the Daily Mail has to put a phrase in inverted commas because it will strike readers as odd and not immediately understandable, then it is safe to say it has not entered the common lexicon. So yeah, you aren't plugged into The Culture or you would sense this
It will be understood by anyone who watches American crime dramas.
As to effective messaging - who knows. It does have a hint of preaching to the fan club, though.
It’s as effective as saying “Keir Starmer’s the Jeb Bartlett of the UK”
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
It is exactly the opposite. It is a term which sounds cool and trendy to much older people, but is *cringe* with young people, if they even understand it. Remember that one of the biggest fans of Line of Duty is the Queen.
This explains why the Uniondivvie is so turned on by it, as an elderly Scot it makes him feel part of Da Yoof, for a few sad, poignant seconds
That's why you're all talking about it, eh? Pretty much ANY line by a shadow Cabinet Minister that gets any attention at all is a standout success.
Exactly. Jon Trickett MP punches the air as he has the whole of PB talking about his tweet.
But of course back to reality, Big G doesn't know what it means so we can discard it as an effective marketing communication.
And 'burner' has also appeared in every single Michael Connelly novel for the past decade.
Of course everyone knows what they are.
Who is Michael Connolly?
Not a book reader then
Currently reading R. D, Blackmore's Lorna Doone, so about 150 years to catch up. Mainly read history and science, with the cheeky bit of historical fiction thrown in.
Now I have visions of a Doone throwing away the "burner" quill pen after writing a ransom demand.
I've just been watching the Olympics climbing on Red Button. I'm unsure if it should be an Olympic sport, but it's spectacular, and they're certainly athletes.
It’s the business, I love it.
For a progressive sport, I was surprised the Spanish contender was known as ‘El Matador’ though!
Not sure it should be an olympic sport, it'll be clinging on by it's fingernails to be included at Paris.
If that is the case, I'm sure they'll chalk it up to experience.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
Leon, you have shocked me. I think 99% of population know what a burner phone is. I can't think of any appropriate TV or film doesn't mention them umpteen times.
Obviously appropriate is important. They don't crop up much in Pride and Prejudice.
To make it even more helplessly confusing, Cherry's accusation is literal: apparently she reckons government ministers are actually using burner phones (in the sense of cheap phones then discarded to hide information - yet another definition)
She does not mean it metaphorically
Gove's reply is: "what is a burner phone?"
I have a vague nagging sense that HMG will survive this brilliant social media onslaught using a phrase popularised in an American crime drama made 19 years ago
Are viewers on the side of people using burner phones in these shows or against them?
lol. Generally against, I guess, but heroes also use them as do lovable rogues and renegades
It's a flailingly confused line
Perhaps you should ask associates (past and/or present?) of yours if they know what it means.
If the Daily Mail has to put a phrase in inverted commas because it will strike readers as odd and not immediately understandable, then it is safe to say it has not entered the common lexicon. So yeah, you aren't plugged into The Culture or you would sense this
It will be understood by anyone who watches American crime dramas.
As to effective messaging - who knows. It does have a hint of preaching to the fan club, though.
I'm not even sure that is true. And this is partly because, if you google the phrase, there is dispute as to what it means, even for those who use the term
For some it means a non-smart phone that is simply cheap and can be thrown away if it "gets traced"
For others it is a phone that can be easily bought and used with a false identity
For others it is a cheap phone that must have prepaid minutes
And so on.
Therefore Charles is right, even if you have a decent grasp of what a burner phone is (one of these or similar definitions) then it is not clear what charge Labour is making against the government
"Government by burner phone". It reckon it is a line which sounded cool and hip to middle aged people in an ideas meeting, but now withers in embarrassment when it encounters the real world, like one of those deep-water fish in Lake Baikal which explode when they hit the surface
Eh?
A burner phone (& associated number) is one which Is not connected with you, and which you will throw away.
So, if you were a drug dealer, you would use it to make transactions for a month and then bin it. If you were an insider trader, you would take advantage of the fact there was no link between that phone and you.
It’s a pretty common term, and it has only one meaning.
Whether it’s an effective attack line is another matter altogether.
I suppose this is leaning into the negotiation by ministers (including Hancock) of favourable PPE and testing contracts using personal email or phones. I know what a burner is, I follow politics. But it took me several minutes to fumble for their gist.
I mean they’re not wrong. But why are they buggering about on Twitter with this meme? Call Hancock et al before a special parliamentary committee and let the negative press echo through every news medium, not just a small sub section of Twitter.
So many politicians are crap at politics, never mind governing.
And 'burner' has also appeared in every single Michael Connelly novel for the past decade.
Of course everyone knows what they are.
Who is Michael Connolly?
Not a book reader then
Currently reading R. D, Blackmore's Lorna Doone, so about 150 years to catch up. Mainly read history and science, with the cheeky bit of historical fiction thrown in.
Now I have visions of a Doone throwing away the "burner" quill pen after writing a ransom demand.
And the ink, and unused paper, and blotting paper, and if necessary writing surface. I know a forensic document examiner, who would find all those most interesting.
'segmented marketing' assures me that it is, in fact, really, really clever.
Anyone who has ever canvassed will know that the aim is not to convert the opposition, but to ensure that friendlies remain friendly.
As such no one gives a flying f*ck about what old white Tory blokes on PB think, save for being delighted that they are spending the entire thread talking about it, that is.
If the Daily Mail has to put a phrase in inverted commas because it will strike readers as odd and not immediately understandable, then it is safe to say it has not entered the common lexicon. So yeah, you aren't plugged into The Culture or you would sense this
It will be understood by anyone who watches American crime dramas.
As to effective messaging - who knows. It does have a hint of preaching to the fan club, though.
I'm not even sure that is true. And this is partly because, if you google the phrase, there is dispute as to what it means, even for those who use the term
For some it means a non-smart phone that is simply cheap and can be thrown away if it "gets traced"
For others it is a phone that can be easily bought and used with a false identity
For others it is a cheap phone that must have prepaid minutes
And so on.
Therefore Charles is right, even if you have a decent grasp of what a burner phone is (one of these or similar definitions) then it is not clear what charge Labour is making against the government
"Government by burner phone". It reckon it is a line which sounded cool and hip to middle aged people in an ideas meeting, but now withers in embarrassment when it encounters the real world, like one of those deep-water fish in Lake Baikal which explode when they hit the surface
Eh?
A burner phone (& associated number) is one which Is not connected with you, and which you will throw away.
So, if you were a drug dealer, you would use it to make transactions for a month and then bin it. If you were an insider trader, you would take advantage of the fact there was no link between that phone and you.
It’s a pretty common term, and it has only one meaning.
Whether it’s an effective attack line is another matter altogether.
i have now checked my multiple female Corbynite friends and I wish to resile from my prior position
They pretty much all know what a "burner phone" is, tho they do have somewhat varying definitions
"A cheap phone you use once or twice then bin"
"A phone with pre paid minutes that has no official link to you"
"A phone with a sim you burn and replace"
So I reckon my initial guess that 5% of the nation understands the term is very wrong. More like 50% at least. However the understanding is vague and various, so I also stand by my thesis that it's a pretty silly attack line, with a faint hint of Cringe
I've just been watching the Olympics climbing on Red Button. I'm unsure if it should be an Olympic sport, but it's spectacular, and they're certainly athletes.
It’s the business, I love it.
For a progressive sport, I was surprised the Spanish contender was known as ‘El Matador’ though!
Not sure it should be an olympic sport, it'll be clinging on by it's fingernails to be included at Paris.
If that is the case, I'm sure they'll chalk it up to experience.
Or just drop it? (perhaps that is in bad taste on second thoughts.)
What is quite strange with this ISPOS-MORI poll, to me anyway, is that 39% "Dont Know" about Sir Keir, whereas the last two polls by them had 23% and 27% saying so - The more people see him the more they don't know? Is that usual?
I can explain. A person has an unfavourable view of him (eg you). Then they get to know him better. Now they are not so sure they dislike him (we're off you now). He seems ok. However they can't say they positively like him either. It's neither like nor dislike. So they move to 'don't know'. The holding pen. They could break to 'like' or 'dislike' depending on their impression as they get to know him even better than they do now (having got to know him a little better).
If the Daily Mail has to put a phrase in inverted commas because it will strike readers as odd and not immediately understandable, then it is safe to say it has not entered the common lexicon. So yeah, you aren't plugged into The Culture or you would sense this
It will be understood by anyone who watches American crime dramas.
As to effective messaging - who knows. It does have a hint of preaching to the fan club, though.
I'm not even sure that is true. And this is partly because, if you google the phrase, there is dispute as to what it means, even for those who use the term
For some it means a non-smart phone that is simply cheap and can be thrown away if it "gets traced"
For others it is a phone that can be easily bought and used with a false identity
For others it is a cheap phone that must have prepaid minutes
And so on.
Therefore Charles is right, even if you have a decent grasp of what a burner phone is (one of these or similar definitions) then it is not clear what charge Labour is making against the government
"Government by burner phone". It reckon it is a line which sounded cool and hip to middle aged people in an ideas meeting, but now withers in embarrassment when it encounters the real world, like one of those deep-water fish in Lake Baikal which explode when they hit the surface
Eh?
A burner phone (& associated number) is one which Is not connected with you, and which you will throw away.
So, if you were a drug dealer, you would use it to make transactions for a month and then bin it. If you were an insider trader, you would take advantage of the fact there was no link between that phone and you.
It’s a pretty common term, and it has only one meaning.
Whether it’s an effective attack line is another matter altogether.
I suppose this is leaning into the negotiation by ministers (including Hancock) of favourable PPE and testing contracts using personal email or phones. I know what a burner is, I follow politics. But it took me several minutes to fumble for their gist.
I mean they’re not wrong. But why are they buggering about on Twitter with this meme? Call Hancock et al before a special parliamentary committee and let the negative press echo through every news medium, not just a small sub section of Twitter.
So many politicians are crap at politics, never mind governing.
Labour love twitter. They use it to reinforce all their preconceptions about the plebs. My how they laughed ...right up the that exit poll.
If the Daily Mail has to put a phrase in inverted commas because it will strike readers as odd and not immediately understandable, then it is safe to say it has not entered the common lexicon. So yeah, you aren't plugged into The Culture or you would sense this
It will be understood by anyone who watches American crime dramas.
As to effective messaging - who knows. It does have a hint of preaching to the fan club, though.
I'm not even sure that is true. And this is partly because, if you google the phrase, there is dispute as to what it means, even for those who use the term
For some it means a non-smart phone that is simply cheap and can be thrown away if it "gets traced"
For others it is a phone that can be easily bought and used with a false identity
For others it is a cheap phone that must have prepaid minutes
And so on.
Therefore Charles is right, even if you have a decent grasp of what a burner phone is (one of these or similar definitions) then it is not clear what charge Labour is making against the government
"Government by burner phone". It reckon it is a line which sounded cool and hip to middle aged people in an ideas meeting, but now withers in embarrassment when it encounters the real world, like one of those deep-water fish in Lake Baikal which explode when they hit the surface
Eh?
A burner phone (& associated number) is one which Is not connected with you, and which you will throw away.
So, if you were a drug dealer, you would use it to make transactions for a month and then bin it. If you were an insider trader, you would take advantage of the fact there was no link between that phone and you.
It’s a pretty common term, and it has only one meaning.
Whether it’s an effective attack line is another matter altogether.
I suppose this is leaning into the negotiation by ministers (including Hancock) of favourable PPE and testing contracts using personal email or phones. I know what a burner is, I follow politics. But it took me several minutes to fumble for their gist.
I mean they’re not wrong. But why are they buggering about on Twitter with this meme? Call Hancock et al before a special parliamentary committee and let the negative press echo through every news medium, not just a small sub section of Twitter.
So many politicians are crap at politics, never mind governing.
Labour love twitter. They use it to reinforce all their preconceptions about the plebs. My how they laughed ...right up the that exit poll.
I've just been watching the Olympics climbing on Red Button. I'm unsure if it should be an Olympic sport, but it's spectacular, and they're certainly athletes.
It’s the business, I love it.
For a progressive sport, I was surprised the Spanish contender was known as ‘El Matador’ though!
Not sure it should be an olympic sport, it'll be clinging on by it's fingernails to be included at Paris.
If that is the case, I'm sure they'll chalk it up to experience.
If it does go to Paris, they should hold a bouldering round at Fontainebleau, just because. None of this plastic rubbish.
I think the main issue with it is there's no sense of quite how difficult the climbs are. Most of us would struggle to get off the ground. If you look at a blank face of rock it is a lot easier to imagine not trying it...
Lots of "joyous & civic" (sic) nationalism in the replies:
It was a pleasure to visit @PoliceScotland's headquarters at Tulliallan Castle yesterday.
The police play a vital role in protecting the public and it was great to see first hand how they are preparing for the challenge of policing @COP26. in November this year.
Not respecting the office or the man, shocking stuff.
Never mind Police Scotland, what idiot posted the Olympics video of Boris that makes it look like he has lunched rather too well? Did no-one realise climbing the stairs would make him appear to sway from side to side, which added to the hair makes him look tired and emotional? I'm not sure whether it is worse with sound on or off. https://twitter.com/i/status/1422579951279165448
When is Johnson not “tired and emotional”? The man is a disgrace to the office.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
I doubt more than 10% of people know what one is. That's based on me not knowing though!
Hard to believe that anyone in the country apart from a few old fogeys do not know what a Burner is. You would need to be ancient , not watch TV and never read modern crime books.
Never seen one on Midsomer Murders, and that’s pretty ‘edgy’
If the Daily Mail has to put a phrase in inverted commas because it will strike readers as odd and not immediately understandable, then it is safe to say it has not entered the common lexicon. So yeah, you aren't plugged into The Culture or you would sense this
It will be understood by anyone who watches American crime dramas.
As to effective messaging - who knows. It does have a hint of preaching to the fan club, though.
I'm not even sure that is true. And this is partly because, if you google the phrase, there is dispute as to what it means, even for those who use the term
For some it means a non-smart phone that is simply cheap and can be thrown away if it "gets traced"
For others it is a phone that can be easily bought and used with a false identity
For others it is a cheap phone that must have prepaid minutes
And so on.
Therefore Charles is right, even if you have a decent grasp of what a burner phone is (one of these or similar definitions) then it is not clear what charge Labour is making against the government
"Government by burner phone". It reckon it is a line which sounded cool and hip to middle aged people in an ideas meeting, but now withers in embarrassment when it encounters the real world, like one of those deep-water fish in Lake Baikal which explode when they hit the surface
Eh?
A burner phone (& associated number) is one which Is not connected with you, and which you will throw away.
So, if you were a drug dealer, you would use it to make transactions for a month and then bin it. If you were an insider trader, you would take advantage of the fact there was no link between that phone and you.
It’s a pretty common term, and it has only one meaning.
Whether it’s an effective attack line is another matter altogether.
i have now checked my multiple female Corbynite friends and I wish to resile from my prior position
They pretty much all know what a "burner phone" is, tho they do have somewhat varying definitions
"A cheap phone you use once or twice then bin"
"A phone with pre paid minutes that has no official link to you"
"A phone with a sim you burn and replace"
So I reckon my initial guess that 5% of the nation understands the term is very wrong. More like 50% at least. However the understanding is vague and various, so I also stand by my thesis that it's a pretty silly attack line, with a faint hint of Cringe
Pretty silly attack lines with a strong hint of Cringe. That sums up your entire blogging career Sean.
What is quite strange with this ISPOS-MORI poll, to me anyway, is that 39% "Dont Know" about Sir Keir, whereas the last two polls by them had 23% and 27% saying so - The more people see him the more they don't know? Is that usual?
I can explain. A person has an unfavourable view of him (eg you). Then they get to know him better. Now they are not so sure they dislike him (we're off you now). He seems ok. However they can't say they positively like him either. It's neither like nor dislike. So they move to 'don't know'. The holding pen. They could break to 'like' or 'dislike' depending on their impression as they get to know him even better than they do now (having got to know him a little better).
Or they might stay in the bland, wish washy nothingness of ‘DK’ forever!
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
And for that 5% it will resonate. Segmented marketing very clever.
And I suggest you (re)watch The Wire, or take a trip to any of your local drug dealing hotspots if you're not sure what a burner phone is.
Eh? I know what a burner is. And I hate **** mobeys. And I'm old enough to remember Hornby Dublo was the highest tech a child got to see, the TV aside.
This is well targeted at young people who need to be motivated to vote Labour. The old farts who don't know what a burner is tend to be Tory voters.
It is exactly the opposite. It is a term which sounds cool and trendy to much older people, but is *cringe* with young people, if they even understand it. Remember that one of the biggest fans of Line of Duty is the Queen.
This explains why the Uniondivvie is so turned on by it, as an elderly Scot it makes him feel part of Da Yoof, for a few sad, poignant seconds
That's why you're all talking about it, eh? Pretty much ANY line by a shadow Cabinet Minister that gets any attention at all is a standout success.
I've just been watching the Olympics climbing on Red Button. I'm unsure if it should be an Olympic sport, but it's spectacular, and they're certainly athletes.
It’s the business, I love it.
For a progressive sport, I was surprised the Spanish contender was known as ‘El Matador’ though!
Not sure it should be an olympic sport, it'll be clinging on by it's fingernails to be included at Paris.
If that is the case, I'm sure they'll chalk it up to experience.
If it does go to Paris, they should hold a bouldering round at Fontainebleau, just because. None of this plastic rubbish.
I think the main issue with it is there's no sense of quite how difficult the climbs are. Most of us would struggle to get off the ground.
way back when, I did a fair bit of climbing and bouldering. found that it took only the slightest change in diffiulty and I'd get absolutely nowhere.
now I'm ... checks notes ... fat, old and well-off ... oh you lot can guess the rest.
And 'burner' has also appeared in every single Michael Connelly novel for the past decade.
Of course everyone knows what they are.
Who is Michael Connolly?
A best selling trashy novelist, and I mean proper best selling, creator of Harry Bosch. Ok for passing the time on a sun lounger though the series is a bit exhausted now. I prefer Robert Crais in that particular line.
Ah yes, Bosch. I used to devour them on holiday. Ages ago now but I think I recall he was standard 'tough guy with a heart' material but with the quirk that he knocked up a good pasta (and quite often did).
I am now astounded that I used to hang on Patricia Cornwell's every book. The past is indeed a foreign country.
Yep - read those too. Kay Scarpetta. Solid work. And I'm confident of low-browing you off the court with Robert Walker's "Jessica Coran" potboilers. There's no way you would have spent hours with them, but I did.
Who is the target audience? Do most people know what a burner phone is and do they care?
This will get him likes on Twitter but won’t actually achieve anything
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure what a burner phone is, and I'm quite plugged into The Culture
Perhaps 5% of the nation will understand?
Leon, you have shocked me. I think 99% of population know what a burner phone is. I can't think of any appropriate TV or film doesn't mention them umpteen times.
Obviously appropriate is important. They don't crop up much in Pride and Prejudice.
To make it even more helplessly confusing, Cherry's accusation is literal: apparently she reckons government ministers are actually using burner phones (in the sense of cheap phones then discarded to hide information - yet another definition)
She does not mean it metaphorically
Gove's reply is: "what is a burner phone?"
I have a vague nagging sense that HMG will survive this brilliant social media onslaught using a phrase popularised in an American crime drama made 19 years ago
Are viewers on the side of people using burner phones in these shows or against them?
lol. Generally against, I guess, but heroes also use them as do lovable rogues and renegades
It's a flailingly confused line
As used by crooks and spivs. It's not that difficult.
Comments
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/04/fit-and-healthy-man-42-from-southport-who-rejected-vaccine-dies-of-covid
https://twitter.com/i/status/1423244612592939008
You could easily find they are no fans of the government and perhaps blame Boris handling in part for higher than necessary cases etc. And then they go to the media and say our lovely son died, and the bastards from the government.want to spin it to boost their vaccine campaign.
And the answer is no, that does not matter, if you look at the history of the Olympics the sports included have always been changing, and indeed should do to reflect their own era. Lots of people stay fit through climbing, it can be done competitively, so why not an Olympic sport?
'This is a terrible line with absolutely no resonance, and here are 30 posts from me proving it!'
Merkel did that and Germany received over a million migrants in less than a year.
Now, you might still be in favour of that but at least be honest with yourself (and others) as to what you're proposing.
That's our Sir Keir
*PBTories laud him/her/it as saviour of the Union*
*PBScots have fun dissecting Leader N [edit: metaphorically!]*
PBTories: "Look how worried the nats are!"
https://twitter.com/Birdyword/status/1423267498137370624?s=20
She does not mean it metaphorically
Gove's reply is: "what is a burner phone?"
I have a vague nagging sense that HMG will survive this brilliant social media onslaught using a phrase popularised in an American crime drama made 19 years ago
For a progressive sport, I was surprised the Spanish contender was known as ‘El Matador’ though!
'Jim Murphy: I'm Astonished By How Easy It's Been To Outwit The SNP'
https://tinyurl.com/xrsxu4rn
But these guys are amazing. I wonder if the women use the same course, or a different one?
Segmented marketing.
It's a flailingly confused line
In most crime shows, the burner phone thing is what the "pro"s do - it is part of the theatre to demonstrate their savvy. Much like the improbable weapon skills.
A burner phone (& associated number) is one which Is not connected with you, and which you will throw away.
So, if you were a drug dealer, you would use it to make transactions for a month and then bin it. If you were an insider trader, you would take advantage of the fact there was no link between that phone and you.
It’s a pretty common term, and it has only one meaning.
Whether it’s an effective attack line is another matter altogether.
But of course back to reality, Big G doesn't know what it means so we can discard it as an effective marketing communication.
Daddyo.
I mean they’re not wrong. But why are they buggering about on Twitter with this meme? Call Hancock et al before a special parliamentary committee and let the negative press echo through every news medium, not just a small sub section of Twitter.
So many politicians are crap at politics, never mind governing.
As such no one gives a flying f*ck about what old white Tory blokes on PB think, save for being delighted that they are spending the entire thread talking about it, that is.
They pretty much all know what a "burner phone" is, tho they do have somewhat varying definitions
"A cheap phone you use once or twice then bin"
"A phone with pre paid minutes that has no official link to you"
"A phone with a sim you burn and replace"
So I reckon my initial guess that 5% of the nation understands the term is very wrong. More like 50% at least. However the understanding is vague and various, so I also stand by my thesis that it's a pretty silly attack line, with a faint hint of Cringe
It will never catch on, says @BannedInParis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPNYx1FP8Qk
I think the main issue with it is there's no sense of quite how difficult the climbs are. Most of us would struggle to get off the ground. If you look at a blank face of rock it is a lot easier to imagine not trying it...
https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1423273760417742852
I wonder why he chose 0.55%, specifically?
now I'm ... checks notes ... fat, old and well-off ... oh you lot can guess the rest.
You were absolutely right about Sola Soho
The best restaurant experience I have had since before Ye Plague (not that there have been many during, but still)
Generally excellent, sometimes mind blowingly good. The demi glace on the duck. Ohhhhhh
However, it is NOT CHEAP. Jeez
It's not that difficult.