So polling conventional wisdom says it takes 3 days for "an event" to percolate into the polling.
The fieldwork for this You Gov is 3 days after the Boris/Sunak will they won't they self isolate farce.
This is identical to what happened with the wall paper Proud proclamation that no one cares. Point to immediate polls that don't have the reaction to the event in to prove that no-one cares. Shitting it when the polls start reflecting the event. Bold swagger once the even fades after 7 days.
Seven days is how long an even takes to work out if it is a blip.
The problem this time maybe, is events are rolling up like London buses. None for a while and then lots come at once
Johnson's bad behaviour comes and goes, and we forgive and forget. Empty shelves, difficulty obtaining fuel, bins not being emptied, cancelled holidays, should they gain traction stay in the mind for generations.
Voters who weren't even born in 1978/79 remember the Winter of Discontent.
That's if they do come.
The media babbling about empty shelves makes them look ridiculous if the shelves in the local supermarkets are full.
And some middle class prat in London complaining that they cannot get a particular brand of balsamic in Waitrose is a source of amusement to much of the country.
Though I have a suspicion that bins not being emptied is a potential problem - suburbia produces a lot of garden waste in the summer.
I wonder what the ratio is between the following 2 things -
(i) Gurus of Grim complaining about "middle class prats" complaining about the lack of (insert poncy product of choice) in Waitrose.
(ii) Actual middle class prats actually complaining about the lack of (random poncy product) in Waitrose.
I'm going for about 1000 to 1.
In which case it would show that there is no shortage in Waitrose.
And that the media babbling about empty shelves are only making themselves look ridiculous.
Of course this should already be apparent after the 'there are no strawberries in the shops' claims of 2017:
The highly educated, successful, professional who lives in an affluent part of London, travels a lot, particularly enjoys skiing, shops at Waitrose, supports Labour and voted Remain. This person offends something quite deep in you, Richard, it seems to me. There's something just fundamentally wrong about them in your eyes.
Waitrose really is a sort of cultural bellwether with a rep it doesn’t deserve,
Its rep is unmerited both ways -
1. It isn't full of effete trendies and bumptious mumsnets.
2. It isn't very good.
But it does have a narrow, and predominantly southern middle class, range of locations.
And it isn't very good value - though the Sheffield branch does provide free city centre parking.
I’m always puzzled by the upmarket reputation of Waitrose. Unless you find a really big one, the food - meat, veg, bread - is generally better at M&S. And just as good at a decent Sainsbury’s. The wine in Waitrose is overpriced, if a tiny bit posher, maybe. Waitrose does stock some more unusual ingredients, oils, sauces, and so on, but something like Whole Foods outclasses it easily
Waitrose’s reputation has been built entirely on location, I reckon. It inhabits very middle class areas or obviously upcoming areas which have nearly arrived. That’s it
I vaguely know someone who sells meat on a large scale into supermarkets. He says the quality of the meat that his company sells to Waitrose and Marks and Spencer is indeed higher, while the rest are all the same, whether Aldi or Sainsburys.
I gather it comes down to purchasing policies. The normal supermarket approach is to circulate a tender, specifying quantity, supply conditions, minimum standards etc and pick the one that meets the specification at the lowest price. M&S and Waitrose work on a VFM, where you can demand a higher price as long as you can justify it on a quality basis.
I think Waitrose is more vulnerable than say Lidl on the he empty shelves issue. Customers expect choice and tip-top freshness. Lidl runs its supply very lean and accepts shortages as part of the business model.
Doesn’t Morrison’s buy all its meat direct from the farmers ?
Depends what you mean by "farm", I guess. This guy called himself a farmer, but clearly operates on a massive scale if he sells into several supermarkets.
So polling conventional wisdom says it takes 3 days for "an event" to percolate into the polling.
The fieldwork for this You Gov is 3 days after the Boris/Sunak will they won't they self isolate farce.
This is identical to what happened with the wall paper Proud proclamation that no one cares. Point to immediate polls that don't have the reaction to the event in to prove that no-one cares. Shitting it when the polls start reflecting the event. Bold swagger once the even fades after 7 days.
Seven days is how long an even takes to work out if it is a blip.
The problem this time maybe, is events are rolling up like London buses. None for a while and then lots come at once
Johnson's bad behaviour comes and goes, and we forgive and forget. Empty shelves, difficulty obtaining fuel, bins not being emptied, cancelled holidays, should they gain traction stay in the mind for generations.
Voters who weren't even born in 1978/79 remember the Winter of Discontent.
That's if they do come.
The media babbling about empty shelves makes them look ridiculous if the shelves in the local supermarkets are full.
And some middle class prat in London complaining that they cannot get a particular brand of balsamic in Waitrose is a source of amusement to much of the country.
Though I have a suspicion that bins not being emptied is a potential problem - suburbia produces a lot of garden waste in the summer.
I wonder what the ratio is between the following 2 things -
(i) Gurus of Grim complaining about "middle class prats" complaining about the lack of (insert poncy product of choice) in Waitrose.
(ii) Actual middle class prats actually complaining about the lack of (random poncy product) in Waitrose.
I'm going for about 1000 to 1.
In which case it would show that there is no shortage in Waitrose.
And that the media babbling about empty shelves are only making themselves look ridiculous.
Of course this should already be apparent after the 'there are no strawberries in the shops' claims of 2017:
The highly educated, successful, professional who lives in an affluent part of London, travels a lot, particularly enjoys skiing, shops at Waitrose, supports Labour and voted Remain. This person offends something quite deep in you, Richard, it seems to me. There's something just fundamentally wrong about them in your eyes.
Waitrose really is a sort of cultural bellwether with a rep it doesn’t deserve,
Its rep is unmerited both ways -
1. It isn't full of effete trendies and bumptious mumsnets.
2. It isn't very good.
But it does have a narrow, and predominantly southern middle class, range of locations.
And it isn't very good value - though the Sheffield branch does provide free city centre parking.
I’m always puzzled by the upmarket reputation of Waitrose. Unless you find a really big one, the food - meat, veg, bread - is generally better at M&S. And just as good at a decent Sainsbury’s. The wine in Waitrose is overpriced, if a tiny bit posher, maybe. Waitrose does stock some more unusual ingredients, oils, sauces, and so on, but something like Whole Foods outclasses it easily
Waitrose’s reputation has been built entirely on location, I reckon. It inhabits very middle class areas or obviously upcoming areas which have nearly arrived. That’s it
Any of the big four supermarkets will now provide the range of niche and upmarket items which would only be found in posh places a decade or two back. The internet also provides an alternative for specialised food purchasing.
Which leads the posh places with a narrower usp in niche and upmarket items.
Morrisons and Asda?? You must be joking.
Just look at the cheese selections compared to Waitrose for an example.
No Good Brie?
Crisis!
I was going to home in on Brie but actually all the supermarkets seem to do Good Brie, so it's not much of a differentiator ;-)
The point has been made that the same people complaining about the lack of coverage are the same people who complain about the license fee...
Besides, wouldn't the slightly reduced level of BBC coverage have something to do with the fact that they can only show, IIRC, a total of 200 hours live over the whole event? Since the main rights got flogged off to Eurosport, it's no wonder they've scaled back just a little.
I'm sure that the "furious viewers" can cope without Greco-Roman wrestling and kayaking. It won't kill them.
It’s not Greco-Roman wrestling that’s being complained about - it’s rowing, tennis and gymnastics.
Yes, what happened is that the IOC sold the rights for the whole of Europe to Discovery for £885m, so local broadcasters have to sub-licence them. BBC have only paid for two live streams, which for the next week or so is going to cause a lot of conflicts.
Isn't it a case of more that Discovery only let them have two streams so people would subscribe to Discovery and Eurosport?
Well it does appear that there’s 9 new Eurosport channels, that are showing pretty much everything. Don’t know what they’re doing about the presentation or commentary,
Perhaps they only wanted to sell the minimum to the BBC, or perhaps the price was too high, you know more people in sports rights than I do.
What’s definitely true, is that the BBC Olympics coverage is a massive downgrade from what they’ve done previously - but the audience wasn’t expecting it, and has just realised today.
Yeah, Sky offered to do the 2012 thing and give 20 odd channels for dedicated Olympic coverage for the BBC to use, BBC were keen but Discovery put the kibosh on it.
Ultimately we have a new streamer looking to get customers with an exclusive product, the Olympics, their Mandalorian as it were.
Doing plenty of the commentaries off tube is screwing things up.
It's a shit idea because this is a once in 4 year event.
It's going to be even shitter in 2024 when Paris hosts the Olympics and the time zone is much friendlier to UK viewers than Tokyo.
I think the snobbery against London is as bad as the snobbery against the rest of the country. I happen to think there are knobs wherever you come from
Good thing London has all that extra money and public services to comfort it against the snobbery.
In all seriousness as a Yorkshireman, I've nothing against any region of the UK, I'm not a snob against London and I think London is great. I just want my own region to have a fair share and I think I should be allowed to think that without it appearing like I want to take something away from London.
I remember visiting Middlesbrough in 2002 when I had a nice bijou basement flat just off Upper Street N1, living the North London dream, and thinking “we have a big problem here”. It felt like a different country. That was my first sense of the problem that, 14 years later, gave us Brexit.
Travelling from one part of London to another can feel like going to another country too. Parts of some boroughs of London have been left for decades to rot into the ground.
I had the same feeling moving from Wigan to London in the mid eighties. And comparing Mayfair to King' s Cross or New Cross. It isn't recent at all.
Surely anyone who's played Monopoly should know Mayfair and King's Cross are not going to be the same?
Monopoly's out of date though. Whitechapel is posh/bohemian these days. And as for the three cheap blue Islington streets - metropolitan elite or what? Meanwhile, the expensive Oxford Street is largely full of tat.
The point has been made that the same people complaining about the lack of coverage are the same people who complain about the license fee...
Besides, wouldn't the slightly reduced level of BBC coverage have something to do with the fact that they can only show, IIRC, a total of 200 hours live over the whole event? Since the main rights got flogged off to Eurosport, it's no wonder they've scaled back just a little.
I'm sure that the "furious viewers" can cope without Greco-Roman wrestling and kayaking. It won't kill them.
It’s not Greco-Roman wrestling that’s being complained about - it’s rowing, tennis and gymnastics.
Yes, what happened is that the IOC sold the rights for the whole of Europe to Discovery for £885m, so local broadcasters have to sub-licence them. BBC have only paid for two live streams, which for the next week or so is going to cause a lot of conflicts.
Yeah the IOC did the dirty on Europe. Now we (as in all 450m Europeans) have to watch trash Eurosport channels or Discovery+ which is not worth the subscription cost.
Hopefully the IOC will realise how shite the idea was and will go back to individual country rights where the BBC or other terrestrial broadcaster will happily pay £100-150m for UK rights but won't pay £885m for European rights and then being forced to sub-lease those rights to other broadcasters.
Money is king for the IOC, even before Covid-19 blow a hole through their finances.
It is the same for UEFA they put the Champions League (and Europa League) behind a paywall for the last six years, it works for them.
IIRC they no longer even sell highlights to ITV or anyone else since 2019.
After this the IOC could easily go back to individual national deals and make more money from selling rights to the UK, France, Germany and Italy than it does from the Discovery deal. The BBC alone would probably be ok with £150-175m per cycle and the likes of RTL would probably pay more. The governments of Europe could also end paywall tyranny by legislating that the Olympics are a pic event and should be made fully available to the people.
The current deal is a pile of wank for the people.
That’s like the much-discussed Premier League rights deals, where in response to the EU ruling about exclusivity to Sky, they sold the rights to three companies - but with each match being exclusive to one channel, and each team featured on all of them several times a season.
So as a fan wanting to watch your team every week, you now needed three subs instead of one.
I see Waitrose has become the next key vector in the increasingly divisive culture war.
Any moment now, I expect an article in Unherd (Why Waitrose deserves to Close), and some polling commentary from Matt Goodwin on the Red Wall's negative attitude to Waitrose. Meanwhile, no doubt Boris and his mates will continue to shop there.
The point has been made that the same people complaining about the lack of coverage are the same people who complain about the license fee...
Besides, wouldn't the slightly reduced level of BBC coverage have something to do with the fact that they can only show, IIRC, a total of 200 hours live over the whole event? Since the main rights got flogged off to Eurosport, it's no wonder they've scaled back just a little.
I'm sure that the "furious viewers" can cope without Greco-Roman wrestling and kayaking. It won't kill them.
It’s not Greco-Roman wrestling that’s being complained about - it’s rowing, tennis and gymnastics.
Yes, what happened is that the IOC sold the rights for the whole of Europe to Discovery for £885m, so local broadcasters have to sub-licence them. BBC have only paid for two live streams, which for the next week or so is going to cause a lot of conflicts.
Isn't it a case of more that Discovery only let them have two streams so people would subscribe to Discovery and Eurosport?
Well it does appear that there’s 9 new Eurosport channels, that are showing pretty much everything. Don’t know what they’re doing about the presentation or commentary,
Perhaps they only wanted to sell the minimum to the BBC, or perhaps the price was too high, you know more people in sports rights than I do.
What’s definitely true, is that the BBC Olympics coverage is a massive downgrade from what they’ve done previously - but the audience wasn’t expecting it, and has just realised today.
Yeah, Sky offered to do the 2012 thing and give 20 odd channels for dedicated Olympic coverage for the BBC to use, BBC were keen but Discovery put the kibosh on it.
Ultimately we have a new streamer looking to get customers with an exclusive product, the Olympics, their Mandalorian as it were.
Doing plenty of the commentaries off tube is screwing things up.
It's a shit idea because this is a once in 4 year event.
It's going to be even shitter in 2024 when Paris hosts the Olympics and the time zone is much friendlier to UK viewers than Tokyo.
It's completely ridiculous, honestly not sure what the IOC were thinking selling to a pay TV company. It's not as if they got a huge premium for it either.
The point has been made that the same people complaining about the lack of coverage are the same people who complain about the license fee...
Besides, wouldn't the slightly reduced level of BBC coverage have something to do with the fact that they can only show, IIRC, a total of 200 hours live over the whole event? Since the main rights got flogged off to Eurosport, it's no wonder they've scaled back just a little.
I'm sure that the "furious viewers" can cope without Greco-Roman wrestling and kayaking. It won't kill them.
It’s not Greco-Roman wrestling that’s being complained about - it’s rowing, tennis and gymnastics.
Yes, what happened is that the IOC sold the rights for the whole of Europe to Discovery for £885m, so local broadcasters have to sub-licence them. BBC have only paid for two live streams, which for the next week or so is going to cause a lot of conflicts.
Yeah the IOC did the dirty on Europe. Now we (as in all 450m Europeans) have to watch trash Eurosport channels or Discovery+ which is not worth the subscription cost.
Hopefully the IOC will realise how shite the idea was and will go back to individual country rights where the BBC or other terrestrial broadcaster will happily pay £100-150m for UK rights but won't pay £885m for European rights and then being forced to sub-lease those rights to other broadcasters.
Money is king for the IOC, even before Covid-19 blow a hole through their finances.
It is the same for UEFA they put the Champions League (and Europa League) behind a paywall for the last six years, it works for them.
IIRC they no longer even sell highlights to ITV or anyone else since 2019.
After this the IOC could easily go back to individual national deals and make more money from selling rights to the UK, France, Germany and Italy than it does from the Discovery deal. The BBC alone would probably be ok with £150-175m per cycle and the likes of RTL would probably pay more. The governments of Europe could also end paywall tyranny by legislating that the Olympics are a pic event and should be made fully available to the people.
The current deal is a pile of wank for the people.
That’s like the much-discussed Premier League rights deals, where in response to the EU ruling about exclusivity to Sky, they sold the rights to three companies - but with each match being exclusive to one channel, and each team featured on all of them several times a season.
So as a fan wanting to watch your team every week, you now needed three subs instead of one.
That EU decision on football was one of the most infuriating things about the EU.
If that ruling gets reversed post-Brexit then that would be a great victory for Brexit.
The point has been made that the same people complaining about the lack of coverage are the same people who complain about the license fee...
Besides, wouldn't the slightly reduced level of BBC coverage have something to do with the fact that they can only show, IIRC, a total of 200 hours live over the whole event? Since the main rights got flogged off to Eurosport, it's no wonder they've scaled back just a little.
I'm sure that the "furious viewers" can cope without Greco-Roman wrestling and kayaking. It won't kill them.
It’s not Greco-Roman wrestling that’s being complained about - it’s rowing, tennis and gymnastics.
Yes, what happened is that the IOC sold the rights for the whole of Europe to Discovery for £885m, so local broadcasters have to sub-licence them. BBC have only paid for two live streams, which for the next week or so is going to cause a lot of conflicts.
Isn't it a case of more that Discovery only let them have two streams so people would subscribe to Discovery and Eurosport?
Well it does appear that there’s 9 new Eurosport channels, that are showing pretty much everything. Don’t know what they’re doing about the presentation or commentary,
Perhaps they only wanted to sell the minimum to the BBC, or perhaps the price was too high, you know more people in sports rights than I do.
What’s definitely true, is that the BBC Olympics coverage is a massive downgrade from what they’ve done previously - but the audience wasn’t expecting it, and has just realised today.
Yeah, Sky offered to do the 2012 thing and give 20 odd channels for dedicated Olympic coverage for the BBC to use, BBC were keen but Discovery put the kibosh on it.
Ultimately we have a new streamer looking to get customers with an exclusive product, the Olympics, their Mandalorian as it were.
Doing plenty of the commentaries off tube is screwing things up.
It's a shit idea because this is a once in 4 year event.
I think the snobbery against London is as bad as the snobbery against the rest of the country. I happen to think there are knobs wherever you come from
Good thing London has all that extra money and public services to comfort it against the snobbery.
In all seriousness as a Yorkshireman, I've nothing against any region of the UK, I'm not a snob against London and I think London is great. I just want my own region to have a fair share and I think I should be allowed to think that without it appearing like I want to take something away from London.
I remember visiting Middlesbrough in 2002 when I had a nice bijou basement flat just off Upper Street N1, living the North London dream, and thinking “we have a big problem here”. It felt like a different country. That was my first sense of the problem that, 14 years later, gave us Brexit.
Travelling from one part of London to another can feel like going to another country too. Parts of some boroughs of London have been left for decades to rot into the ground.
I had the same feeling moving from Wigan to London in the mid eighties. And comparing Mayfair to King' s Cross or New Cross. It isn't recent at all.
Surely anyone who's played Monopoly should know Mayfair and King's Cross are not going to be the same?
Monopoly's out of date though. Whitechapel is posh/bohemian these days. And as for the three cheap blue Islington streets - metropolitan elite or what? Meanwhile, the expensive Oxford Street is largely full of tat.
And Hampstead's not even on the board!
Not central enough - all the Monopoly properties are closer to the West End. But if the Angel's in, which it is, you could make a good case for Camden Town. Difficult to price, though.
So polling conventional wisdom says it takes 3 days for "an event" to percolate into the polling.
The fieldwork for this You Gov is 3 days after the Boris/Sunak will they won't they self isolate farce.
This is identical to what happened with the wall paper Proud proclamation that no one cares. Point to immediate polls that don't have the reaction to the event in to prove that no-one cares. Shitting it when the polls start reflecting the event. Bold swagger once the even fades after 7 days.
Seven days is how long an even takes to work out if it is a blip.
The problem this time maybe, is events are rolling up like London buses. None for a while and then lots come at once
Johnson's bad behaviour comes and goes, and we forgive and forget. Empty shelves, difficulty obtaining fuel, bins not being emptied, cancelled holidays, should they gain traction stay in the mind for generations.
Voters who weren't even born in 1978/79 remember the Winter of Discontent.
That's if they do come.
The media babbling about empty shelves makes them look ridiculous if the shelves in the local supermarkets are full.
And some middle class prat in London complaining that they cannot get a particular brand of balsamic in Waitrose is a source of amusement to much of the country.
Though I have a suspicion that bins not being emptied is a potential problem - suburbia produces a lot of garden waste in the summer.
I wonder what the ratio is between the following 2 things -
(i) Gurus of Grim complaining about "middle class prats" complaining about the lack of (insert poncy product of choice) in Waitrose.
(ii) Actual middle class prats actually complaining about the lack of (random poncy product) in Waitrose.
I'm going for about 1000 to 1.
In which case it would show that there is no shortage in Waitrose.
And that the media babbling about empty shelves are only making themselves look ridiculous.
Of course this should already be apparent after the 'there are no strawberries in the shops' claims of 2017:
The highly educated, successful, professional who lives in an affluent part of London, travels a lot, particularly enjoys skiing, shops at Waitrose, supports Labour and voted Remain. This person offends something quite deep in you, Richard, it seems to me. There's something just fundamentally wrong about them in your eyes.
Waitrose really is a sort of cultural bellwether with a rep it doesn’t deserve,
Its rep is unmerited both ways -
1. It isn't full of effete trendies and bumptious mumsnets.
2. It isn't very good.
But it does have a narrow, and predominantly southern middle class, range of locations.
And it isn't very good value - though the Sheffield branch does provide free city centre parking.
I’m always puzzled by the upmarket reputation of Waitrose. Unless you find a really big one, the food - meat, veg, bread - is generally better at M&S. And just as good at a decent Sainsbury’s. The wine in Waitrose is overpriced, if a tiny bit posher, maybe. Waitrose does stock some more unusual ingredients, oils, sauces, and so on, but something like Whole Foods outclasses it easily
Waitrose’s reputation has been built entirely on location, I reckon. It inhabits very middle class areas or obviously upcoming areas which have nearly arrived. That’s it
Any of the big four supermarkets will now provide the range of niche and upmarket items which would only be found in posh places a decade or two back. The internet also provides an alternative for specialised food purchasing.
Which leads the posh places with a narrower usp in niche and upmarket items.
Morrisons and Asda?? You must be joking.
Just look at the cheese selections compared to Waitrose for an example.
No joke.
My local Morrisons and ASDA both provide an incredibly varied quality cheese selection.
And my local ASDA now has a sushi section with people making fresh, great quality, sushi as opposed to pizzas etc as you normally see.
My local Waitrose in the very few times I've been there has a much smaller selection. I used to go there as it was the one place I could get Nori etc but that's available everywhere now.
Perhaps ASDA and Morissons are better in the North than the South.
I do wonder if each supermarket varies more around the country and we're all talking at cross purposes.
Certainly the Waitrose in Sheffield is nothing special.
I was going to comment - my local Morrisons have a huge variety of cheese in the fresh cheese counter.
Never counted the varieties but it is a walk from one end to the other.
I like Morrisons. In fact I like all supermarkets if they're spacious.
The point has been made that the same people complaining about the lack of coverage are the same people who complain about the license fee...
Besides, wouldn't the slightly reduced level of BBC coverage have something to do with the fact that they can only show, IIRC, a total of 200 hours live over the whole event? Since the main rights got flogged off to Eurosport, it's no wonder they've scaled back just a little.
I'm sure that the "furious viewers" can cope without Greco-Roman wrestling and kayaking. It won't kill them.
It’s not Greco-Roman wrestling that’s being complained about - it’s rowing, tennis and gymnastics.
Yes, what happened is that the IOC sold the rights for the whole of Europe to Discovery for £885m, so local broadcasters have to sub-licence them. BBC have only paid for two live streams, which for the next week or so is going to cause a lot of conflicts.
Isn't it a case of more that Discovery only let them have two streams so people would subscribe to Discovery and Eurosport?
Well it does appear that there’s 9 new Eurosport channels, that are showing pretty much everything. Don’t know what they’re doing about the presentation or commentary,
Perhaps they only wanted to sell the minimum to the BBC, or perhaps the price was too high, you know more people in sports rights than I do.
What’s definitely true, is that the BBC Olympics coverage is a massive downgrade from what they’ve done previously - but the audience wasn’t expecting it, and has just realised today.
Yeah, Sky offered to do the 2012 thing and give 20 odd channels for dedicated Olympic coverage for the BBC to use, BBC were keen but Discovery put the kibosh on it.
Ultimately we have a new streamer looking to get customers with an exclusive product, the Olympics, their Mandalorian as it were.
Doing plenty of the commentaries off tube is screwing things up.
It's a shit idea because this is a once in 4 year event.
The Winter Games say hello.
If that gets even 20% of the ratings as the summer games I'd be shocked.
The point has been made that the same people complaining about the lack of coverage are the same people who complain about the license fee...
Besides, wouldn't the slightly reduced level of BBC coverage have something to do with the fact that they can only show, IIRC, a total of 200 hours live over the whole event? Since the main rights got flogged off to Eurosport, it's no wonder they've scaled back just a little.
I'm sure that the "furious viewers" can cope without Greco-Roman wrestling and kayaking. It won't kill them.
It’s not Greco-Roman wrestling that’s being complained about - it’s rowing, tennis and gymnastics.
Yes, what happened is that the IOC sold the rights for the whole of Europe to Discovery for £885m, so local broadcasters have to sub-licence them. BBC have only paid for two live streams, which for the next week or so is going to cause a lot of conflicts.
Yeah the IOC did the dirty on Europe. Now we (as in all 450m Europeans) have to watch trash Eurosport channels or Discovery+ which is not worth the subscription cost.
Hopefully the IOC will realise how shite the idea was and will go back to individual country rights where the BBC or other terrestrial broadcaster will happily pay £100-150m for UK rights but won't pay £885m for European rights and then being forced to sub-lease those rights to other broadcasters.
Money is king for the IOC, even before Covid-19 blow a hole through their finances.
It is the same for UEFA they put the Champions League (and Europa League) behind a paywall for the last six years, it works for them.
IIRC they no longer even sell highlights to ITV or anyone else since 2019.
After this the IOC could easily go back to individual national deals and make more money from selling rights to the UK, France, Germany and Italy than it does from the Discovery deal. The BBC alone would probably be ok with £150-175m per cycle and the likes of RTL would probably pay more. The governments of Europe could also end paywall tyranny by legislating that the Olympics are a pic event and should be made fully available to the people.
The current deal is a pile of wank for the people.
That’s like the much-discussed Premier League rights deals, where in response to the EU ruling about exclusivity to Sky, they sold the rights to three companies - but with each match being exclusive to one channel, and each team featured on all of them several times a season.
So as a fan wanting to watch your team every week, you now needed three subs instead of one.
That EU decision on football was one of the most infuriating things about the EU.
If that ruling gets reversed post-Brexit then that would be a great victory for Brexit.
The problem is that the PL now make more money from ripping off the fans, and there’s no way Sky will pay what it would take to bring back their monopoly - they’re not really growing any more, and price rises result in cancelled subs and people watching in the pub.
So polling conventional wisdom says it takes 3 days for "an event" to percolate into the polling.
The fieldwork for this You Gov is 3 days after the Boris/Sunak will they won't they self isolate farce.
This is identical to what happened with the wall paper Proud proclamation that no one cares. Point to immediate polls that don't have the reaction to the event in to prove that no-one cares. Shitting it when the polls start reflecting the event. Bold swagger once the even fades after 7 days.
Seven days is how long an even takes to work out if it is a blip.
The problem this time maybe, is events are rolling up like London buses. None for a while and then lots come at once
Johnson's bad behaviour comes and goes, and we forgive and forget. Empty shelves, difficulty obtaining fuel, bins not being emptied, cancelled holidays, should they gain traction stay in the mind for generations.
Voters who weren't even born in 1978/79 remember the Winter of Discontent.
That's if they do come.
The media babbling about empty shelves makes them look ridiculous if the shelves in the local supermarkets are full.
And some middle class prat in London complaining that they cannot get a particular brand of balsamic in Waitrose is a source of amusement to much of the country.
Though I have a suspicion that bins not being emptied is a potential problem - suburbia produces a lot of garden waste in the summer.
I wonder what the ratio is between the following 2 things -
(i) Gurus of Grim complaining about "middle class prats" complaining about the lack of (insert poncy product of choice) in Waitrose.
(ii) Actual middle class prats actually complaining about the lack of (random poncy product) in Waitrose.
I'm going for about 1000 to 1.
In which case it would show that there is no shortage in Waitrose.
And that the media babbling about empty shelves are only making themselves look ridiculous.
Of course this should already be apparent after the 'there are no strawberries in the shops' claims of 2017:
The highly educated, successful, professional who lives in an affluent part of London, travels a lot, particularly enjoys skiing, shops at Waitrose, supports Labour and voted Remain. This person offends something quite deep in you, Richard, it seems to me. There's something just fundamentally wrong about them in your eyes.
Waitrose really is a sort of cultural bellwether with a rep it doesn’t deserve,
Its rep is unmerited both ways -
1. It isn't full of effete trendies and bumptious mumsnets.
2. It isn't very good.
But it does have a narrow, and predominantly southern middle class, range of locations.
And it isn't very good value - though the Sheffield branch does provide free city centre parking.
I’m always puzzled by the upmarket reputation of Waitrose. Unless you find a really big one, the food - meat, veg, bread - is generally better at M&S. And just as good at a decent Sainsbury’s. The wine in Waitrose is overpriced, if a tiny bit posher, maybe. Waitrose does stock some more unusual ingredients, oils, sauces, and so on, but something like Whole Foods outclasses it easily
Waitrose’s reputation has been built entirely on location, I reckon. It inhabits very middle class areas or obviously upcoming areas which have nearly arrived. That’s it
Any of the big four supermarkets will now provide the range of niche and upmarket items which would only be found in posh places a decade or two back. The internet also provides an alternative for specialised food purchasing.
Which leads the posh places with a narrower usp in niche and upmarket items.
Judging by the responses on here, the reputation of Waitrose is higher with doddery provincial types than with swish sexy Londoners.
This is quite explicable. All the major supermarkets go upmarket in London. My local M&S sells £25 wagyu rib eye steaks. I doubt they do that in "Leicester", wherever that is
Also, Londoners have stores like Whole Foods (with no branches outside the capital, very sensibly) who stock superb ingredients, oils, seasonings, spirulina truffle essence, stuff that a Midlander or a Scotsman would probably put on his furniture, mistaking it for upmarket varnish, in that endearing but farcical way of theirs
So, in the sticks, Waitrose is seen as a sainted outpost of London poshness, but in London, paradoxically, it's just another shop with nice balsamic vinegar and Brabantia bin bags
So polling conventional wisdom says it takes 3 days for "an event" to percolate into the polling.
The fieldwork for this You Gov is 3 days after the Boris/Sunak will they won't they self isolate farce.
This is identical to what happened with the wall paper Proud proclamation that no one cares. Point to immediate polls that don't have the reaction to the event in to prove that no-one cares. Shitting it when the polls start reflecting the event. Bold swagger once the even fades after 7 days.
Seven days is how long an even takes to work out if it is a blip.
The problem this time maybe, is events are rolling up like London buses. None for a while and then lots come at once
Johnson's bad behaviour comes and goes, and we forgive and forget. Empty shelves, difficulty obtaining fuel, bins not being emptied, cancelled holidays, should they gain traction stay in the mind for generations.
Voters who weren't even born in 1978/79 remember the Winter of Discontent.
That's if they do come.
The media babbling about empty shelves makes them look ridiculous if the shelves in the local supermarkets are full.
And some middle class prat in London complaining that they cannot get a particular brand of balsamic in Waitrose is a source of amusement to much of the country.
Though I have a suspicion that bins not being emptied is a potential problem - suburbia produces a lot of garden waste in the summer.
I wonder what the ratio is between the following 2 things -
(i) Gurus of Grim complaining about "middle class prats" complaining about the lack of (insert poncy product of choice) in Waitrose.
(ii) Actual middle class prats actually complaining about the lack of (random poncy product) in Waitrose.
I'm going for about 1000 to 1.
In which case it would show that there is no shortage in Waitrose.
And that the media babbling about empty shelves are only making themselves look ridiculous.
Of course this should already be apparent after the 'there are no strawberries in the shops' claims of 2017:
The highly educated, successful, professional who lives in an affluent part of London, travels a lot, particularly enjoys skiing, shops at Waitrose, supports Labour and voted Remain. This person offends something quite deep in you, Richard, it seems to me. There's something just fundamentally wrong about them in your eyes.
Waitrose really is a sort of cultural bellwether with a rep it doesn’t deserve,
Its rep is unmerited both ways -
1. It isn't full of effete trendies and bumptious mumsnets.
2. It isn't very good.
But it does have a narrow, and predominantly southern middle class, range of locations.
And it isn't very good value - though the Sheffield branch does provide free city centre parking.
I’m always puzzled by the upmarket reputation of Waitrose. Unless you find a really big one, the food - meat, veg, bread - is generally better at M&S. And just as good at a decent Sainsbury’s. The wine in Waitrose is overpriced, if a tiny bit posher, maybe. Waitrose does stock some more unusual ingredients, oils, sauces, and so on, but something like Whole Foods outclasses it easily
Waitrose’s reputation has been built entirely on location, I reckon. It inhabits very middle class areas or obviously upcoming areas which have nearly arrived. That’s it
Any of the big four supermarkets will now provide the range of niche and upmarket items which would only be found in posh places a decade or two back. The internet also provides an alternative for specialised food purchasing.
Which leads the posh places with a narrower usp in niche and upmarket items.
Morrisons and Asda?? You must be joking.
Just look at the cheese selections compared to Waitrose for an example.
No joke.
My local Morrisons and ASDA both provide an incredibly varied quality cheese selection.
And my local ASDA now has a sushi section with people making fresh, great quality, sushi as opposed to pizzas etc as you normally see.
My local Waitrose in the very few times I've been there has a much smaller selection. I used to go there as it was the one place I could get Nori etc but that's available everywhere now.
Perhaps ASDA and Morissons are better in the North than the South.
I do wonder if each supermarket varies more around the country and we're all talking at cross purposes.
Certainly the Waitrose in Sheffield is nothing special.
I was going to comment - my local Morrisons (Mansfield) have a huge variety of cheese in the fresh cheese counter.
Never counted the varieties but it is a walk from one end to the other. For shop size, the car park is 750-1000 cars roughly.
They also have Fray Bentos pies and Grape Nuts
Yes Morrisons is good. The best supermarket for fruit and veg, and cheese is reasonable, if not as good as Waitrose. Good ethinc selections too, at least in the one next to my hospital.
So polling conventional wisdom says it takes 3 days for "an event" to percolate into the polling.
The fieldwork for this You Gov is 3 days after the Boris/Sunak will they won't they self isolate farce.
This is identical to what happened with the wall paper Proud proclamation that no one cares. Point to immediate polls that don't have the reaction to the event in to prove that no-one cares. Shitting it when the polls start reflecting the event. Bold swagger once the even fades after 7 days.
Seven days is how long an even takes to work out if it is a blip.
The problem this time maybe, is events are rolling up like London buses. None for a while and then lots come at once
Johnson's bad behaviour comes and goes, and we forgive and forget. Empty shelves, difficulty obtaining fuel, bins not being emptied, cancelled holidays, should they gain traction stay in the mind for generations.
Voters who weren't even born in 1978/79 remember the Winter of Discontent.
That's if they do come.
The media babbling about empty shelves makes them look ridiculous if the shelves in the local supermarkets are full.
And some middle class prat in London complaining that they cannot get a particular brand of balsamic in Waitrose is a source of amusement to much of the country.
Though I have a suspicion that bins not being emptied is a potential problem - suburbia produces a lot of garden waste in the summer.
I wonder what the ratio is between the following 2 things -
(i) Gurus of Grim complaining about "middle class prats" complaining about the lack of (insert poncy product of choice) in Waitrose.
(ii) Actual middle class prats actually complaining about the lack of (random poncy product) in Waitrose.
I'm going for about 1000 to 1.
In which case it would show that there is no shortage in Waitrose.
And that the media babbling about empty shelves are only making themselves look ridiculous.
Of course this should already be apparent after the 'there are no strawberries in the shops' claims of 2017:
The highly educated, successful, professional who lives in an affluent part of London, travels a lot, particularly enjoys skiing, shops at Waitrose, supports Labour and voted Remain. This person offends something quite deep in you, Richard, it seems to me. There's something just fundamentally wrong about them in your eyes.
Waitrose really is a sort of cultural bellwether with a rep it doesn’t deserve,
Its rep is unmerited both ways -
1. It isn't full of effete trendies and bumptious mumsnets.
2. It isn't very good.
But it does have a narrow, and predominantly southern middle class, range of locations.
And it isn't very good value - though the Sheffield branch does provide free city centre parking.
I’m always puzzled by the upmarket reputation of Waitrose. Unless you find a really big one, the food - meat, veg, bread - is generally better at M&S. And just as good at a decent Sainsbury’s. The wine in Waitrose is overpriced, if a tiny bit posher, maybe. Waitrose does stock some more unusual ingredients, oils, sauces, and so on, but something like Whole Foods outclasses it easily
Waitrose’s reputation has been built entirely on location, I reckon. It inhabits very middle class areas or obviously upcoming areas which have nearly arrived. That’s it
Any of the big four supermarkets will now provide the range of niche and upmarket items which would only be found in posh places a decade or two back. The internet also provides an alternative for specialised food purchasing.
Which leads the posh places with a narrower usp in niche and upmarket items.
Morrisons and Asda?? You must be joking.
Just look at the cheese selections compared to Waitrose for an example.
No joke.
My local Morrisons and ASDA both provide an incredibly varied quality cheese selection.
And my local ASDA now has a sushi section with people making fresh, great quality, sushi as opposed to pizzas etc as you normally see.
My local Waitrose in the very few times I've been there has a much smaller selection. I used to go there as it was the one place I could get Nori etc but that's available everywhere now.
Perhaps ASDA and Morissons are better in the North than the South.
I do wonder if each supermarket varies more around the country and we're all talking at cross purposes.
Certainly the Waitrose in Sheffield is nothing special.
I was going to comment - my local Morrisons have a huge variety of cheese in the fresh cheese counter.
Never counted the varieties but it is a walk from one end to the other.
I like Morrisons. In fact I like all supermarkets if they're spacious.
Tbf the range of any given supermarket probably does depend on the size of the individual branch.
I do think (and expect) by the time of the next auction of rights for 2025/26 onwards all 380 PL matches will be sold.
That means more broadcasters joining the roster as Sky, BT, and Amazon weren't prepared to pay extra for the 180 matches not available for live coverage in the UK.
So I'd expect DAZN to join the fray, if Newcastle do get bought out by the Saudis (unlikely I know) beIN may also join in for the LOLZ and protection.
This is quite explicable. All the major supermarkets go upmarket in London. My local M&S sells £25 wagyu rib eye steaks. I doubt they do that in "Leicester", wherever that is
My local Waitrose, which is nearer "Leicester" than London, had wagyu burgers last week
So polling conventional wisdom says it takes 3 days for "an event" to percolate into the polling.
The fieldwork for this You Gov is 3 days after the Boris/Sunak will they won't they self isolate farce.
This is identical to what happened with the wall paper Proud proclamation that no one cares. Point to immediate polls that don't have the reaction to the event in to prove that no-one cares. Shitting it when the polls start reflecting the event. Bold swagger once the even fades after 7 days.
Seven days is how long an even takes to work out if it is a blip.
The problem this time maybe, is events are rolling up like London buses. None for a while and then lots come at once
Johnson's bad behaviour comes and goes, and we forgive and forget. Empty shelves, difficulty obtaining fuel, bins not being emptied, cancelled holidays, should they gain traction stay in the mind for generations.
Voters who weren't even born in 1978/79 remember the Winter of Discontent.
That's if they do come.
The media babbling about empty shelves makes them look ridiculous if the shelves in the local supermarkets are full.
And some middle class prat in London complaining that they cannot get a particular brand of balsamic in Waitrose is a source of amusement to much of the country.
Though I have a suspicion that bins not being emptied is a potential problem - suburbia produces a lot of garden waste in the summer.
I wonder what the ratio is between the following 2 things -
(i) Gurus of Grim complaining about "middle class prats" complaining about the lack of (insert poncy product of choice) in Waitrose.
(ii) Actual middle class prats actually complaining about the lack of (random poncy product) in Waitrose.
I'm going for about 1000 to 1.
In which case it would show that there is no shortage in Waitrose.
And that the media babbling about empty shelves are only making themselves look ridiculous.
Of course this should already be apparent after the 'there are no strawberries in the shops' claims of 2017:
The highly educated, successful, professional who lives in an affluent part of London, travels a lot, particularly enjoys skiing, shops at Waitrose, supports Labour and voted Remain. This person offends something quite deep in you, Richard, it seems to me. There's something just fundamentally wrong about them in your eyes.
Waitrose really is a sort of cultural bellwether with a rep it doesn’t deserve,
Its rep is unmerited both ways -
1. It isn't full of effete trendies and bumptious mumsnets.
2. It isn't very good.
But it does have a narrow, and predominantly southern middle class, range of locations.
And it isn't very good value - though the Sheffield branch does provide free city centre parking.
I’m always puzzled by the upmarket reputation of Waitrose. Unless you find a really big one, the food - meat, veg, bread - is generally better at M&S. And just as good at a decent Sainsbury’s. The wine in Waitrose is overpriced, if a tiny bit posher, maybe. Waitrose does stock some more unusual ingredients, oils, sauces, and so on, but something like Whole Foods outclasses it easily
Waitrose’s reputation has been built entirely on location, I reckon. It inhabits very middle class areas or obviously upcoming areas which have nearly arrived. That’s it
Any of the big four supermarkets will now provide the range of niche and upmarket items which would only be found in posh places a decade or two back. The internet also provides an alternative for specialised food purchasing.
Which leads the posh places with a narrower usp in niche and upmarket items.
Judging by the responses on here, the reputation of Waitrose is higher with doddery provincial types than with swish sexy Londoners.
This is quite explicable. All the major supermarkets go upmarket in London. My local M&S sells £25 wagyu rib eye steaks. I doubt they do that in "Leicester", wherever that is
Also, Londoners have stores like Whole Foods (with no branches outside the capital, very sensibly) who stock superb ingredients, oils, seasonings, spirulina truffle essence, stuff that a Midlander or a Scotsman would probably put on his furniture, mistaking it for upmarket varnish, in that endearing but farcical way of theirs
So, in the sticks, Waitrose is seen as a sainted outpost of London poshness, but in London, paradoxically, it's just another shop with nice balsamic vinegar and Brabantia bin bags
In Leicester that £25 Wagyu Rib-Eye stake would probably be about £17, so no they wouldn't do that.
I'd get it from one of my local butchers or farm shops, or online.
Certainly (having lived in Hampstead for a few years) around here there are fewer gullibles with more money than sense.
So polling conventional wisdom says it takes 3 days for "an event" to percolate into the polling.
The fieldwork for this You Gov is 3 days after the Boris/Sunak will they won't they self isolate farce.
This is identical to what happened with the wall paper Proud proclamation that no one cares. Point to immediate polls that don't have the reaction to the event in to prove that no-one cares. Shitting it when the polls start reflecting the event. Bold swagger once the even fades after 7 days.
Seven days is how long an even takes to work out if it is a blip.
The problem this time maybe, is events are rolling up like London buses. None for a while and then lots come at once
Johnson's bad behaviour comes and goes, and we forgive and forget. Empty shelves, difficulty obtaining fuel, bins not being emptied, cancelled holidays, should they gain traction stay in the mind for generations.
Voters who weren't even born in 1978/79 remember the Winter of Discontent.
That's if they do come.
The media babbling about empty shelves makes them look ridiculous if the shelves in the local supermarkets are full.
And some middle class prat in London complaining that they cannot get a particular brand of balsamic in Waitrose is a source of amusement to much of the country.
Though I have a suspicion that bins not being emptied is a potential problem - suburbia produces a lot of garden waste in the summer.
I wonder what the ratio is between the following 2 things -
(i) Gurus of Grim complaining about "middle class prats" complaining about the lack of (insert poncy product of choice) in Waitrose.
(ii) Actual middle class prats actually complaining about the lack of (random poncy product) in Waitrose.
I'm going for about 1000 to 1.
In which case it would show that there is no shortage in Waitrose.
And that the media babbling about empty shelves are only making themselves look ridiculous.
Of course this should already be apparent after the 'there are no strawberries in the shops' claims of 2017:
The highly educated, successful, professional who lives in an affluent part of London, travels a lot, particularly enjoys skiing, shops at Waitrose, supports Labour and voted Remain. This person offends something quite deep in you, Richard, it seems to me. There's something just fundamentally wrong about them in your eyes.
Waitrose really is a sort of cultural bellwether with a rep it doesn’t deserve,
Its rep is unmerited both ways -
1. It isn't full of effete trendies and bumptious mumsnets.
2. It isn't very good.
But it does have a narrow, and predominantly southern middle class, range of locations.
And it isn't very good value - though the Sheffield branch does provide free city centre parking.
I’m always puzzled by the upmarket reputation of Waitrose. Unless you find a really big one, the food - meat, veg, bread - is generally better at M&S. And just as good at a decent Sainsbury’s. The wine in Waitrose is overpriced, if a tiny bit posher, maybe. Waitrose does stock some more unusual ingredients, oils, sauces, and so on, but something like Whole Foods outclasses it easily
Waitrose’s reputation has been built entirely on location, I reckon. It inhabits very middle class areas or obviously upcoming areas which have nearly arrived. That’s it
Any of the big four supermarkets will now provide the range of niche and upmarket items which would only be found in posh places a decade or two back. The internet also provides an alternative for specialised food purchasing.
Which leads the posh places with a narrower usp in niche and upmarket items.
Judging by the responses on here, the reputation of Waitrose is higher with doddery provincial types than with swish sexy Londoners.
This is quite explicable. All the major supermarkets go upmarket in London. My local M&S sells £25 wagyu rib eye steaks. I doubt they do that in "Leicester", wherever that is
Also, Londoners have stores like Whole Foods (with no branches outside the capital, very sensibly) who stock superb ingredients, oils, seasonings, spirulina truffle essence, stuff that a Midlander or a Scotsman would probably put on his furniture, mistaking it for upmarket varnish, in that endearing but farcical way of theirs
So, in the sticks, Waitrose is seen as a sainted outpost of London poshness, but in London, paradoxically, it's just another shop with nice balsamic vinegar and Brabantia bin bags
3 M and S foods in Leicester, but I have never been a fan. Overpriced and the quality has been sliding for years. Mrs Foxy still goes there for a few things.
I see Waitrose has become the next key vector in the increasingly divisive culture war.
Any moment now, I expect an article in Unherd (Why Waitrose deserves to Close), and some polling commentary from Matt Goodwin on the Red Wall's negative attitude to Waitrose. Meanwhile, no doubt Boris and his mates will continue to shop there.
No no no no no. Again, a northern prole misunderstands poshness.
Waitrose is owned by John Lewis. Remember what Carrie thought of John Lewis furniture. Boris and Carrie will think the same of Waitrose. They will use it for essentials but they will equally use M&S or Sainsburys, even Tesco. In London Waitrose is not high status, it is for lower/middle middle class people nervous of their status.
For posh stuff they will go to Whole Foods, Planet Organic, specialist food halls, delis
So polling conventional wisdom says it takes 3 days for "an event" to percolate into the polling.
The fieldwork for this You Gov is 3 days after the Boris/Sunak will they won't they self isolate farce.
This is identical to what happened with the wall paper Proud proclamation that no one cares. Point to immediate polls that don't have the reaction to the event in to prove that no-one cares. Shitting it when the polls start reflecting the event. Bold swagger once the even fades after 7 days.
Seven days is how long an even takes to work out if it is a blip.
The problem this time maybe, is events are rolling up like London buses. None for a while and then lots come at once
Johnson's bad behaviour comes and goes, and we forgive and forget. Empty shelves, difficulty obtaining fuel, bins not being emptied, cancelled holidays, should they gain traction stay in the mind for generations.
Voters who weren't even born in 1978/79 remember the Winter of Discontent.
That's if they do come.
The media babbling about empty shelves makes them look ridiculous if the shelves in the local supermarkets are full.
And some middle class prat in London complaining that they cannot get a particular brand of balsamic in Waitrose is a source of amusement to much of the country.
Though I have a suspicion that bins not being emptied is a potential problem - suburbia produces a lot of garden waste in the summer.
I wonder what the ratio is between the following 2 things -
(i) Gurus of Grim complaining about "middle class prats" complaining about the lack of (insert poncy product of choice) in Waitrose.
(ii) Actual middle class prats actually complaining about the lack of (random poncy product) in Waitrose.
I'm going for about 1000 to 1.
In which case it would show that there is no shortage in Waitrose.
And that the media babbling about empty shelves are only making themselves look ridiculous.
Of course this should already be apparent after the 'there are no strawberries in the shops' claims of 2017:
The highly educated, successful, professional who lives in an affluent part of London, travels a lot, particularly enjoys skiing, shops at Waitrose, supports Labour and voted Remain. This person offends something quite deep in you, Richard, it seems to me. There's something just fundamentally wrong about them in your eyes.
Waitrose really is a sort of cultural bellwether with a rep it doesn’t deserve,
Its rep is unmerited both ways -
1. It isn't full of effete trendies and bumptious mumsnets.
2. It isn't very good.
But it does have a narrow, and predominantly southern middle class, range of locations.
And it isn't very good value - though the Sheffield branch does provide free city centre parking.
I’m always puzzled by the upmarket reputation of Waitrose. Unless you find a really big one, the food - meat, veg, bread - is generally better at M&S. And just as good at a decent Sainsbury’s. The wine in Waitrose is overpriced, if a tiny bit posher, maybe. Waitrose does stock some more unusual ingredients, oils, sauces, and so on, but something like Whole Foods outclasses it easily
Waitrose’s reputation has been built entirely on location, I reckon. It inhabits very middle class areas or obviously upcoming areas which have nearly arrived. That’s it
Any of the big four supermarkets will now provide the range of niche and upmarket items which would only be found in posh places a decade or two back. The internet also provides an alternative for specialised food purchasing.
Which leads the posh places with a narrower usp in niche and upmarket items.
Judging by the responses on here, the reputation of Waitrose is higher with doddery provincial types than with swish sexy Londoners.
This is quite explicable. All the major supermarkets go upmarket in London. My local M&S sells £25 wagyu rib eye steaks. I doubt they do that in "Leicester", wherever that is
Also, Londoners have stores like Whole Foods (with no branches outside the capital, very sensibly) who stock superb ingredients, oils, seasonings, spirulina truffle essence, stuff that a Midlander or a Scotsman would probably put on his furniture, mistaking it for upmarket varnish, in that endearing but farcical way of theirs
So, in the sticks, Waitrose is seen as a sainted outpost of London poshness, but in London, paradoxically, it's just another shop with nice balsamic vinegar and Brabantia bin bags
Lol! Mistaking spirulina truffle essence for furniture polish takes me back to life as a kid in the 60s...
My mum, bless her, liked to get a tan, as was the fashion then.
She swore by a mixture of vinegar and olive oil (only available from the chemists back then) as a 'sun tan lotion'. It was years later before I realised she'd been dressing herself in vinaigrette. Happy days!
This is quite explicable. All the major supermarkets go upmarket in London. My local M&S sells £25 wagyu rib eye steaks. I doubt they do that in "Leicester", wherever that is
My local Waitrose, which is nearer "Leicester" than London, had wagyu burgers last week
I think the snobbery against London is as bad as the snobbery against the rest of the country. I happen to think there are knobs wherever you come from
Good thing London has all that extra money and public services to comfort it against the snobbery.
In all seriousness as a Yorkshireman, I've nothing against any region of the UK, I'm not a snob against London and I think London is great. I just want my own region to have a fair share and I think I should be allowed to think that without it appearing like I want to take something away from London.
I remember visiting Middlesbrough in 2002 when I had a nice bijou basement flat just off Upper Street N1, living the North London dream, and thinking “we have a big problem here”. It felt like a different country. That was my first sense of the problem that, 14 years later, gave us Brexit.
Travelling from one part of London to another can feel like going to another country too. Parts of some boroughs of London have been left for decades to rot into the ground.
I had the same feeling moving from Wigan to London in the mid eighties. And comparing Mayfair to King' s Cross or New Cross. It isn't recent at all.
Surely anyone who's played Monopoly should know Mayfair and King's Cross are not going to be the same?
Monopoly's out of date though. Whitechapel is posh/bohemian these days. And as for the three cheap blue Islington streets - metropolitan elite or what? Meanwhile, the expensive Oxford Street is largely full of tat.
And Hampstead's not even on the board!
Not central enough - all the Monopoly properties are closer to the West End. But if the Angel's in, which it is, you could make a good case for Camden Town. Difficult to price, though.
Yes that has a better claim. Although come to think of it - which this is forcing me to - the board is all streets and squares and mainline railway stations rather than residential areas. The exception being Mayfair. Mayfair should NOT be on there.
I do think (and expect) by the time of the next auction of rights for 2025/26 onwards all 380 PL matches will be sold.
That means more broadcasters joining the roster as Sky, BT, and Amazon weren't prepared to pay extra for the 180 matches not available for live coverage in the UK.
So I'd expect DAZN to join the fray, if Newcastle do get bought out by the Saudis (unlikely I know) beIN may also join in for the LOLZ and protection.
DAZN simply don't have the scale to get involved with domestic EPL rights. They have revenues of what £230m per year? Even with some level of growth you're talking about entering a rights auction where the minimum bid will be a 2-3x multiple of their current revenue. Setanta tried that model and fucked it. DAZN will be happy to just bid for overseas EPL rights in smaller markets as they currently do. The wildcards are ESPN/Disney+ and Discovery/WB because the Olympics aren't going to be anywhere near the audience draw they think it will be.
This is quite explicable. All the major supermarkets go upmarket in London. My local M&S sells £25 wagyu rib eye steaks. I doubt they do that in "Leicester", wherever that is
My local Waitrose, which is nearer "Leicester" than London, had wagyu burgers last week
My local Aldi regularly have "wagyu" things.
Though I'd grant that that might not be wagyu of the "earwax removed by houris in lilly-white robes using extra-Virgin olive oil" sort of thing that passes for added-value in Chelsea.
On Carrie and John Lewis furniture, isn't that to do with following the Hyacinth Bouquet snobbery tradition, and a photo of a huge delivery from JL to Downing Street emerged within hours?
This is quite explicable. All the major supermarkets go upmarket in London. My local M&S sells £25 wagyu rib eye steaks. I doubt they do that in "Leicester", wherever that is
My local Waitrose, which is nearer "Leicester" than London, had wagyu burgers last week
Steaks, mate, steaks. Not "burgers",
Steaks, for £30 each
Bloody hell. Talk about inflation. Up 20% in a half hour...
I think the time has come for us all to try and strongly persuade those of our friends and family who are vaccine hesitant to get the jab. If not they will be barred from most events and pubs and will struggle to lead a normal life in the UK. They will in effect become societal outcasts. See the speech by the PM of Israel
How much pressure is to be applied to anti-vaxxers will depend very much on the progress of the disease over the next couple of months. If it becomes apparent that existing coverage is sufficient to end the emergency and keep us out of lockdown then nobody will care about the refusers. If it isn't then the public pressure to start stamping on them, and keep doing so until they either accept the jab or are forced into house arrest, will quickly become enormous.
The great mass of the people won't tolerate being immiserated to respect the right of a minority to choose to be difficult.
The refusers are not asking you to care about them. Most are happy to go back to their lives and take any risk that comes.
I know I am.
Its the government that is restricting your liberty, not the unvaccinated.
The issue as you know (whether you agree with it) is not about protecting the voluntary unvaxxed per se, but the implications for eg. the NHS. If people can't get their cancer operations because the hospitals are full of the voluntary unvaxxed then they will have some cause for complaint...
If that happens given most of the unvaccinated are relatively young then something will have gone badly wrong
Not really. For a start, the debate is about contrarian. Not the young. Secondly its long established that the young can get hospitalised by Covid. In general, less likely, and much more likely to recover, but in sufficient numbers to cause problems. And problems which are completely avoidable with higher levels of vaccination.
Our authoritarian government is trying to sell to you the principle of control. The principle that the fundamentally uncontrollable (nature), can be controlled, if only we all obey enough.
The plan is failing, of course, because the impossible will always fail. But like every other authoritarian in history, these authoritarians have a scapegoat class handy for them to blame for their failure.
and so Stalin had the Kulaks. They were responsible for socialism's failure in Russia and had to be eliminated.
Mao blamed 'speculators' for the fact that 40m Chinese starved to death between 1958 and 1962 alone.
And of course we know that Jewish people have been variously used as scapegoats by all sorts of authoritarian failures down the centuries.
What we see in the scapegoating of the un-vaxxed an echo of all these tactics. The reason this isn't working is the unvaccinated. If only they were vaccinated everything would be fine.
Of course it wouldn't be, and then another round of culprits has to be blamed for the ongoing problems that are being faced.
The real failure, of course, is in the system the authoritarians are protecting.
Yes, you are just like the Jews through the various pogroms. Get a grip. We had ID cards during the crisis of the early 1940s. We ended them when the crisis was over.
Holocaust survivors have come forward and said what is happening now parallels the rise of the nazis
How many "Holocaust survivors" are there who remember Germany in the 1930s and who are aware of what is happening in the UK in the 2020s? Just wondering...
Hmm. 100.0%s. Lots of them. A lot in the >80s. The ECDC are claiming that there weren't 0.05% of >80s for whom vaccines were not contraindicated? (See this effect in highly vaxxed countries like Sweden and Finland, where 70-79s come out higher.) Hmm.
I do think (and expect) by the time of the next auction of rights for 2025/26 onwards all 380 PL matches will be sold.
That means more broadcasters joining the roster as Sky, BT, and Amazon weren't prepared to pay extra for the 180 matches not available for live coverage in the UK.
So I'd expect DAZN to join the fray, if Newcastle do get bought out by the Saudis (unlikely I know) beIN may also join in for the LOLZ and protection.
DAZN simply don't have the scale to get involved with domestic EPL rights. They have revenues of what £230m per year? Even with some level of growth you're talking about entering a rights auction where the minimum bid will be a 2-3x multiple of their current revenue. Setanta tried that model and fucked it. DAZN will be happy to just bid for overseas EPL rights in smaller markets as they currently do. The wildcards are ESPN/Disney+ and Discovery/WB because the Olympics aren't going to be anywhere near the audience draw they think it will be.
Don't tell anyone this but they had the funding in place for the 2022-25 cycle if it had gone to auction, (probably going for the smaller Amazon package as a starter.)
I suspect they may have been rejected on the grounds they don't have the ability to produce matches/shows to a suitable standard. Buying the rights is one thing, delivering them is another.
I think the snobbery against London is as bad as the snobbery against the rest of the country. I happen to think there are knobs wherever you come from
Good thing London has all that extra money and public services to comfort it against the snobbery.
In all seriousness as a Yorkshireman, I've nothing against any region of the UK, I'm not a snob against London and I think London is great. I just want my own region to have a fair share and I think I should be allowed to think that without it appearing like I want to take something away from London.
I remember visiting Middlesbrough in 2002 when I had a nice bijou basement flat just off Upper Street N1, living the North London dream, and thinking “we have a big problem here”. It felt like a different country. That was my first sense of the problem that, 14 years later, gave us Brexit.
Travelling from one part of London to another can feel like going to another country too. Parts of some boroughs of London have been left for decades to rot into the ground.
I had the same feeling moving from Wigan to London in the mid eighties. And comparing Mayfair to King' s Cross or New Cross. It isn't recent at all.
Surely anyone who's played Monopoly should know Mayfair and King's Cross are not going to be the same?
Monopoly's out of date though. Whitechapel is posh/bohemian these days. And as for the three cheap blue Islington streets - metropolitan elite or what? Meanwhile, the expensive Oxford Street is largely full of tat.
And Hampstead's not even on the board!
Not central enough - all the Monopoly properties are closer to the West End. But if the Angel's in, which it is, you could make a good case for Camden Town. Difficult to price, though.
Yes that has a better claim. Although come to think of it - which this is forcing me to - the board is all streets and squares and stations rather than residential areas. The exception being Mayfair. Mayfair should NOT be on there.
The urban myth is that these errors (the stations are odd, as well) derive from the British game's American source.
The original US version was Jersey City, I think? Then it made a million so they expanded - to London. And they sent some Yank to the Smoke to map out a London edition. As he had no native sense for the city you get anomalies like "Mayfair"
This is quite explicable. All the major supermarkets go upmarket in London. My local M&S sells £25 wagyu rib eye steaks. I doubt they do that in "Leicester", wherever that is
My local Waitrose, which is nearer "Leicester" than London, had wagyu burgers last week
Steaks, mate, steaks. Not "burgers",
Steaks, for £30 each
Bloody hell. Talk about inflation. Up 20% in a half hour...
I underplayed my original statement so I wouldn't frighten anyone north of Arnos Grove
So polling conventional wisdom says it takes 3 days for "an event" to percolate into the polling.
The fieldwork for this You Gov is 3 days after the Boris/Sunak will they won't they self isolate farce.
This is identical to what happened with the wall paper Proud proclamation that no one cares. Point to immediate polls that don't have the reaction to the event in to prove that no-one cares. Shitting it when the polls start reflecting the event. Bold swagger once the even fades after 7 days.
Seven days is how long an even takes to work out if it is a blip.
The problem this time maybe, is events are rolling up like London buses. None for a while and then lots come at once
Johnson's bad behaviour comes and goes, and we forgive and forget. Empty shelves, difficulty obtaining fuel, bins not being emptied, cancelled holidays, should they gain traction stay in the mind for generations.
Voters who weren't even born in 1978/79 remember the Winter of Discontent.
That's if they do come.
The media babbling about empty shelves makes them look ridiculous if the shelves in the local supermarkets are full.
And some middle class prat in London complaining that they cannot get a particular brand of balsamic in Waitrose is a source of amusement to much of the country.
Though I have a suspicion that bins not being emptied is a potential problem - suburbia produces a lot of garden waste in the summer.
I wonder what the ratio is between the following 2 things -
(i) Gurus of Grim complaining about "middle class prats" complaining about the lack of (insert poncy product of choice) in Waitrose.
(ii) Actual middle class prats actually complaining about the lack of (random poncy product) in Waitrose.
I'm going for about 1000 to 1.
In which case it would show that there is no shortage in Waitrose.
And that the media babbling about empty shelves are only making themselves look ridiculous.
Of course this should already be apparent after the 'there are no strawberries in the shops' claims of 2017:
The highly educated, successful, professional who lives in an affluent part of London, travels a lot, particularly enjoys skiing, shops at Waitrose, supports Labour and voted Remain. This person offends something quite deep in you, Richard, it seems to me. There's something just fundamentally wrong about them in your eyes.
Waitrose really is a sort of cultural bellwether with a rep it doesn’t deserve,
Its rep is unmerited both ways -
1. It isn't full of effete trendies and bumptious mumsnets.
2. It isn't very good.
But it does have a narrow, and predominantly southern middle class, range of locations.
And it isn't very good value - though the Sheffield branch does provide free city centre parking.
I’m always puzzled by the upmarket reputation of Waitrose. Unless you find a really big one, the food - meat, veg, bread - is generally better at M&S. And just as good at a decent Sainsbury’s. The wine in Waitrose is overpriced, if a tiny bit posher, maybe. Waitrose does stock some more unusual ingredients, oils, sauces, and so on, but something like Whole Foods outclasses it easily
Waitrose’s reputation has been built entirely on location, I reckon. It inhabits very middle class areas or obviously upcoming areas which have nearly arrived. That’s it
Any of the big four supermarkets will now provide the range of niche and upmarket items which would only be found in posh places a decade or two back. The internet also provides an alternative for specialised food purchasing.
Which leads the posh places with a narrower usp in niche and upmarket items.
Judging by the responses on here, the reputation of Waitrose is higher with doddery provincial types than with swish sexy Londoners.
This is quite explicable. All the major supermarkets go upmarket in London. My local M&S sells £25 wagyu rib eye steaks. I doubt they do that in "Leicester", wherever that is
So Rideout expects people to transfer their savings into a currency widely expected to depreciate, while leaving their debts in a currency which may well grow stronger?
Surely it would be the other way round?
As there is no change to Sterling debts until such time as people and business ask for their banks to exchange them into the S£, then it is expected that the exchange of debts into S£ will lag significantly behind the exchange of deposits and cash.
So polling conventional wisdom says it takes 3 days for "an event" to percolate into the polling.
The fieldwork for this You Gov is 3 days after the Boris/Sunak will they won't they self isolate farce.
This is identical to what happened with the wall paper Proud proclamation that no one cares. Point to immediate polls that don't have the reaction to the event in to prove that no-one cares. Shitting it when the polls start reflecting the event. Bold swagger once the even fades after 7 days.
Seven days is how long an even takes to work out if it is a blip.
The problem this time maybe, is events are rolling up like London buses. None for a while and then lots come at once
Johnson's bad behaviour comes and goes, and we forgive and forget. Empty shelves, difficulty obtaining fuel, bins not being emptied, cancelled holidays, should they gain traction stay in the mind for generations.
Voters who weren't even born in 1978/79 remember the Winter of Discontent.
That's if they do come.
The media babbling about empty shelves makes them look ridiculous if the shelves in the local supermarkets are full.
And some middle class prat in London complaining that they cannot get a particular brand of balsamic in Waitrose is a source of amusement to much of the country.
Though I have a suspicion that bins not being emptied is a potential problem - suburbia produces a lot of garden waste in the summer.
I wonder what the ratio is between the following 2 things -
(i) Gurus of Grim complaining about "middle class prats" complaining about the lack of (insert poncy product of choice) in Waitrose.
(ii) Actual middle class prats actually complaining about the lack of (random poncy product) in Waitrose.
I'm going for about 1000 to 1.
In which case it would show that there is no shortage in Waitrose.
And that the media babbling about empty shelves are only making themselves look ridiculous.
Of course this should already be apparent after the 'there are no strawberries in the shops' claims of 2017:
The highly educated, successful, professional who lives in an affluent part of London, travels a lot, particularly enjoys skiing, shops at Waitrose, supports Labour and voted Remain. This person offends something quite deep in you, Richard, it seems to me. There's something just fundamentally wrong about them in your eyes.
Waitrose really is a sort of cultural bellwether with a rep it doesn’t deserve,
Its rep is unmerited both ways -
1. It isn't full of effete trendies and bumptious mumsnets.
2. It isn't very good.
But it does have a narrow, and predominantly southern middle class, range of locations.
And it isn't very good value - though the Sheffield branch does provide free city centre parking.
I’m always puzzled by the upmarket reputation of Waitrose. Unless you find a really big one, the food - meat, veg, bread - is generally better at M&S. And just as good at a decent Sainsbury’s. The wine in Waitrose is overpriced, if a tiny bit posher, maybe. Waitrose does stock some more unusual ingredients, oils, sauces, and so on, but something like Whole Foods outclasses it easily
Waitrose’s reputation has been built entirely on location, I reckon. It inhabits very middle class areas or obviously upcoming areas which have nearly arrived. That’s it
Any of the big four supermarkets will now provide the range of niche and upmarket items which would only be found in posh places a decade or two back. The internet also provides an alternative for specialised food purchasing.
Which leads the posh places with a narrower usp in niche and upmarket items.
Judging by the responses on here, the reputation of Waitrose is higher with doddery provincial types than with swish sexy Londoners.
This is quite explicable. All the major supermarkets go upmarket in London. My local M&S sells £25 wagyu rib eye steaks. I doubt they do that in "Leicester", wherever that is
Do people really buy fake wagyu steaks from M&S?
Yes. I do. But - tbh - sporadically
The supply comes and goes. I guess even affluent north London is a tricky place to sell a single steak for thirty quid
But my God when you can get them they are amazing. Certainly not fake - I've had wagyu around the world and the M&S cuts are some of the best
So polling conventional wisdom says it takes 3 days for "an event" to percolate into the polling.
The fieldwork for this You Gov is 3 days after the Boris/Sunak will they won't they self isolate farce.
This is identical to what happened with the wall paper Proud proclamation that no one cares. Point to immediate polls that don't have the reaction to the event in to prove that no-one cares. Shitting it when the polls start reflecting the event. Bold swagger once the even fades after 7 days.
Seven days is how long an even takes to work out if it is a blip.
The problem this time maybe, is events are rolling up like London buses. None for a while and then lots come at once
Johnson's bad behaviour comes and goes, and we forgive and forget. Empty shelves, difficulty obtaining fuel, bins not being emptied, cancelled holidays, should they gain traction stay in the mind for generations.
Voters who weren't even born in 1978/79 remember the Winter of Discontent.
That's if they do come.
The media babbling about empty shelves makes them look ridiculous if the shelves in the local supermarkets are full.
And some middle class prat in London complaining that they cannot get a particular brand of balsamic in Waitrose is a source of amusement to much of the country.
Though I have a suspicion that bins not being emptied is a potential problem - suburbia produces a lot of garden waste in the summer.
I wonder what the ratio is between the following 2 things -
(i) Gurus of Grim complaining about "middle class prats" complaining about the lack of (insert poncy product of choice) in Waitrose.
(ii) Actual middle class prats actually complaining about the lack of (random poncy product) in Waitrose.
I'm going for about 1000 to 1.
In which case it would show that there is no shortage in Waitrose.
And that the media babbling about empty shelves are only making themselves look ridiculous.
Of course this should already be apparent after the 'there are no strawberries in the shops' claims of 2017:
The highly educated, successful, professional who lives in an affluent part of London, travels a lot, particularly enjoys skiing, shops at Waitrose, supports Labour and voted Remain. This person offends something quite deep in you, Richard, it seems to me. There's something just fundamentally wrong about them in your eyes.
Waitrose really is a sort of cultural bellwether with a rep it doesn’t deserve,
Its rep is unmerited both ways -
1. It isn't full of effete trendies and bumptious mumsnets.
2. It isn't very good.
But it does have a narrow, and predominantly southern middle class, range of locations.
And it isn't very good value - though the Sheffield branch does provide free city centre parking.
I’m always puzzled by the upmarket reputation of Waitrose. Unless you find a really big one, the food - meat, veg, bread - is generally better at M&S. And just as good at a decent Sainsbury’s. The wine in Waitrose is overpriced, if a tiny bit posher, maybe. Waitrose does stock some more unusual ingredients, oils, sauces, and so on, but something like Whole Foods outclasses it easily
Waitrose’s reputation has been built entirely on location, I reckon. It inhabits very middle class areas or obviously upcoming areas which have nearly arrived. That’s it
Any of the big four supermarkets will now provide the range of niche and upmarket items which would only be found in posh places a decade or two back. The internet also provides an alternative for specialised food purchasing.
Which leads the posh places with a narrower usp in niche and upmarket items.
Judging by the responses on here, the reputation of Waitrose is higher with doddery provincial types than with swish sexy Londoners.
This is quite explicable. All the major supermarkets go upmarket in London. My local M&S sells £25 wagyu rib eye steaks. I doubt they do that in "Leicester", wherever that is
I'm assuming it'll be a pretty good poll for the LDs because Labour aren't amazingly high but the Tories are pretty low. If anyone has access to the Times article they might be able to fill us in.
It's not. The Lib Dems are only on 9%.
I need to see what the other minor parties are on.
So Rideout expects people to transfer their savings into a currency widely expected to depreciate, while leaving their debts in a currency which may well grow stronger?
Surely it would be the other way round?
As there is no change to Sterling debts until such time as people and business ask for their banks to exchange them into the S£, then it is expected that the exchange of debts into S£ will lag significantly behind the exchange of deposits and cash.
If there is ever another indyref (and I begin to doubt this) then all the NO campaign has to do is show that thread to any Scottish voter, and they will run a fucking hundred miles away from YES. It's a sketch for an insane new currency written on a haggis-stained napkin by a "cartographer".
And this is the SNP's big plan for the Scottish £??
I think the snobbery against London is as bad as the snobbery against the rest of the country. I happen to think there are knobs wherever you come from
Good thing London has all that extra money and public services to comfort it against the snobbery.
In all seriousness as a Yorkshireman, I've nothing against any region of the UK, I'm not a snob against London and I think London is great. I just want my own region to have a fair share and I think I should be allowed to think that without it appearing like I want to take something away from London.
I remember visiting Middlesbrough in 2002 when I had a nice bijou basement flat just off Upper Street N1, living the North London dream, and thinking “we have a big problem here”. It felt like a different country. That was my first sense of the problem that, 14 years later, gave us Brexit.
Travelling from one part of London to another can feel like going to another country too. Parts of some boroughs of London have been left for decades to rot into the ground.
I had the same feeling moving from Wigan to London in the mid eighties. And comparing Mayfair to King' s Cross or New Cross. It isn't recent at all.
Surely anyone who's played Monopoly should know Mayfair and King's Cross are not going to be the same?
Monopoly's out of date though. Whitechapel is posh/bohemian these days. And as for the three cheap blue Islington streets - metropolitan elite or what? Meanwhile, the expensive Oxford Street is largely full of tat.
And Hampstead's not even on the board!
Not central enough - all the Monopoly properties are closer to the West End. But if the Angel's in, which it is, you could make a good case for Camden Town. Difficult to price, though.
Yes that has a better claim. Although come to think of it - which this is forcing me to - the board is all streets and squares and stations rather than residential areas. The exception being Mayfair. Mayfair should NOT be on there.
The urban myth is that these errors (the stations are odd, as well) derive from the British game's American source.
The original US version was Jersey City, I think? Then it made a million so they expanded - to London. And they sent some Yank to the Smoke to map out a London edition. As he had no native sense for the city you get anomalies like "Mayfair"
It's a really bad error because Park Lane is already there and that's representing Mayfair.
What they've done is like having Cheyne Walk AND Chelsea.
I do wonder if each supermarket varies more around the country and we're all talking at cross purposes.
Certainly the Waitrose in Sheffield is nothing special.
For it's British produce, Waitrose has a 30 mile rule, as in the food is sourced from within 30 miles of the supermarket. And Morrisons have a 35 mile rule.
So local brands in their supermarkets vary massively, as in you'll find stuff in their Cornish stores that you won't find in their Scottish stores and vice versa.
So Rideout expects people to transfer their savings into a currency widely expected to depreciate, while leaving their debts in a currency which may well grow stronger?
Surely it would be the other way round?
As there is no change to Sterling debts until such time as people and business ask for their banks to exchange them into the S£, then it is expected that the exchange of debts into S£ will lag significantly behind the exchange of deposits and cash.
The biggest mistake, is in thinking that savings customers will be given the choice by their banks.
The second biggest mistake, is in thinking the debtors will be given the choice.
It’ll be savings in S£, and debts in GB£, unless they want hundreds of billions of S£ to be sold to buy GB£, overnight on day 1 - with the resultant price movement that might be expected.
I do think (and expect) by the time of the next auction of rights for 2025/26 onwards all 380 PL matches will be sold.
That means more broadcasters joining the roster as Sky, BT, and Amazon weren't prepared to pay extra for the 180 matches not available for live coverage in the UK.
So I'd expect DAZN to join the fray, if Newcastle do get bought out by the Saudis (unlikely I know) beIN may also join in for the LOLZ and protection.
DAZN simply don't have the scale to get involved with domestic EPL rights. They have revenues of what £230m per year? Even with some level of growth you're talking about entering a rights auction where the minimum bid will be a 2-3x multiple of their current revenue. Setanta tried that model and fucked it. DAZN will be happy to just bid for overseas EPL rights in smaller markets as they currently do. The wildcards are ESPN/Disney+ and Discovery/WB because the Olympics aren't going to be anywhere near the audience draw they think it will be.
Don't tell anyone this but they had the funding in place for the 2022-25 cycle if it had gone to auction, (probably going for the smaller Amazon package as a starter.)
I suspect they may have been rejected on the grounds they don't have the ability to produce matches/shows to a suitable standard. Buying the rights is one thing, delivering them is another.
It was probably a good decision not to bother. The Amazon pack was a pile of wank, two matchdays all matches live was a bit poor. If they had just one matchday or ca. 10-30 matches it would just be a pointless exercise as not many people are going to subscribe for that small number.
BT found this out the hard way which is why they've retreaded from sports and TV. Their EPL package was never enough to get people in and Champion's League and Europa League rights appeal to far too few fans.
I do wonder whether the future is going to be club streaming packages offered by ESPN on a revshare basis with the clubs themselves.
Hmm. 100.0%s. Lots of them. A lot in the >80s. The ECDC are claiming that there weren't 0.05% of >80s for whom vaccines were not contraindicated? (See this effect in highly vaxxed countries like Sweden and Finland, where 70-79s come out higher.) Hmm.
I think the snobbery against London is as bad as the snobbery against the rest of the country. I happen to think there are knobs wherever you come from
Good thing London has all that extra money and public services to comfort it against the snobbery.
In all seriousness as a Yorkshireman, I've nothing against any region of the UK, I'm not a snob against London and I think London is great. I just want my own region to have a fair share and I think I should be allowed to think that without it appearing like I want to take something away from London.
I remember visiting Middlesbrough in 2002 when I had a nice bijou basement flat just off Upper Street N1, living the North London dream, and thinking “we have a big problem here”. It felt like a different country. That was my first sense of the problem that, 14 years later, gave us Brexit.
Travelling from one part of London to another can feel like going to another country too. Parts of some boroughs of London have been left for decades to rot into the ground.
I had the same feeling moving from Wigan to London in the mid eighties. And comparing Mayfair to King' s Cross or New Cross. It isn't recent at all.
Surely anyone who's played Monopoly should know Mayfair and King's Cross are not going to be the same?
Monopoly's out of date though. Whitechapel is posh/bohemian these days. And as for the three cheap blue Islington streets - metropolitan elite or what? Meanwhile, the expensive Oxford Street is largely full of tat.
And Hampstead's not even on the board!
Not central enough - all the Monopoly properties are closer to the West End. But if the Angel's in, which it is, you could make a good case for Camden Town. Difficult to price, though.
Yes that has a better claim. Although come to think of it - which this is forcing me to - the board is all streets and squares and stations rather than residential areas. The exception being Mayfair. Mayfair should NOT be on there.
The urban myth is that these errors (the stations are odd, as well) derive from the British game's American source.
The original US version was Jersey City, I think? Then it made a million so they expanded - to London. And they sent some Yank to the Smoke to map out a London edition. As he had no native sense for the city you get anomalies like "Mayfair"
It's a really bad error because Park Lane is already there and that's representing Mayfair.
What they've done is like having Cheyne Walk AND Chelsea.
Bit of trivia; The Old Kent Road is the only Monopoly property set south of the river.
So Rideout expects people to transfer their savings into a currency widely expected to depreciate, while leaving their debts in a currency which may well grow stronger?
Surely it would be the other way round?
As there is no change to Sterling debts until such time as people and business ask for their banks to exchange them into the S£, then it is expected that the exchange of debts into S£ will lag significantly behind the exchange of deposits and cash.
I think the snobbery against London is as bad as the snobbery against the rest of the country. I happen to think there are knobs wherever you come from
Good thing London has all that extra money and public services to comfort it against the snobbery.
In all seriousness as a Yorkshireman, I've nothing against any region of the UK, I'm not a snob against London and I think London is great. I just want my own region to have a fair share and I think I should be allowed to think that without it appearing like I want to take something away from London.
I remember visiting Middlesbrough in 2002 when I had a nice bijou basement flat just off Upper Street N1, living the North London dream, and thinking “we have a big problem here”. It felt like a different country. That was my first sense of the problem that, 14 years later, gave us Brexit.
Travelling from one part of London to another can feel like going to another country too. Parts of some boroughs of London have been left for decades to rot into the ground.
I had the same feeling moving from Wigan to London in the mid eighties. And comparing Mayfair to King' s Cross or New Cross. It isn't recent at all.
Surely anyone who's played Monopoly should know Mayfair and King's Cross are not going to be the same?
Monopoly's out of date though. Whitechapel is posh/bohemian these days. And as for the three cheap blue Islington streets - metropolitan elite or what? Meanwhile, the expensive Oxford Street is largely full of tat.
And Hampstead's not even on the board!
Not central enough - all the Monopoly properties are closer to the West End. But if the Angel's in, which it is, you could make a good case for Camden Town. Difficult to price, though.
Yes that has a better claim. Although come to think of it - which this is forcing me to - the board is all streets and squares and stations rather than residential areas. The exception being Mayfair. Mayfair should NOT be on there.
The urban myth is that these errors (the stations are odd, as well) derive from the British game's American source.
The original US version was Jersey City, I think? Then it made a million so they expanded - to London. And they sent some Yank to the Smoke to map out a London edition. As he had no native sense for the city you get anomalies like "Mayfair"
It's a really bad error because Park Lane is already there and that's representing Mayfair.
What they've done is like having Cheyne Walk AND Chelsea.
Look like I'm wrong, but not entirely wrong
The original American version was Atlantic City, not Jersey City, and the reason the choice of London streets is so eccentric - to Londoners - is because two guys from Leeds came down to map it out in a day
I think the snobbery against London is as bad as the snobbery against the rest of the country. I happen to think there are knobs wherever you come from
Good thing London has all that extra money and public services to comfort it against the snobbery.
In all seriousness as a Yorkshireman, I've nothing against any region of the UK, I'm not a snob against London and I think London is great. I just want my own region to have a fair share and I think I should be allowed to think that without it appearing like I want to take something away from London.
I remember visiting Middlesbrough in 2002 when I had a nice bijou basement flat just off Upper Street N1, living the North London dream, and thinking “we have a big problem here”. It felt like a different country. That was my first sense of the problem that, 14 years later, gave us Brexit.
Travelling from one part of London to another can feel like going to another country too. Parts of some boroughs of London have been left for decades to rot into the ground.
I had the same feeling moving from Wigan to London in the mid eighties. And comparing Mayfair to King' s Cross or New Cross. It isn't recent at all.
Surely anyone who's played Monopoly should know Mayfair and King's Cross are not going to be the same?
Monopoly's out of date though. Whitechapel is posh/bohemian these days. And as for the three cheap blue Islington streets - metropolitan elite or what? Meanwhile, the expensive Oxford Street is largely full of tat.
And Hampstead's not even on the board!
Not central enough - all the Monopoly properties are closer to the West End. But if the Angel's in, which it is, you could make a good case for Camden Town. Difficult to price, though.
Yes that has a better claim. Although come to think of it - which this is forcing me to - the board is all streets and squares and stations rather than residential areas. The exception being Mayfair. Mayfair should NOT be on there.
The urban myth is that these errors (the stations are odd, as well) derive from the British game's American source.
The original US version was Jersey City, I think? Then it made a million so they expanded - to London. And they sent some Yank to the Smoke to map out a London edition. As he had no native sense for the city you get anomalies like "Mayfair"
It's a really bad error because Park Lane is already there and that's representing Mayfair.
What they've done is like having Cheyne Walk AND Chelsea.
Bit of trivia; The Old Kent Road is the only Monopoly property set south of the river.
The people mapping it out, were going around in a taxi?
I think the snobbery against London is as bad as the snobbery against the rest of the country. I happen to think there are knobs wherever you come from
Good thing London has all that extra money and public services to comfort it against the snobbery.
In all seriousness as a Yorkshireman, I've nothing against any region of the UK, I'm not a snob against London and I think London is great. I just want my own region to have a fair share and I think I should be allowed to think that without it appearing like I want to take something away from London.
I remember visiting Middlesbrough in 2002 when I had a nice bijou basement flat just off Upper Street N1, living the North London dream, and thinking “we have a big problem here”. It felt like a different country. That was my first sense of the problem that, 14 years later, gave us Brexit.
Travelling from one part of London to another can feel like going to another country too. Parts of some boroughs of London have been left for decades to rot into the ground.
I had the same feeling moving from Wigan to London in the mid eighties. And comparing Mayfair to King' s Cross or New Cross. It isn't recent at all.
Surely anyone who's played Monopoly should know Mayfair and King's Cross are not going to be the same?
Monopoly's out of date though. Whitechapel is posh/bohemian these days. And as for the three cheap blue Islington streets - metropolitan elite or what? Meanwhile, the expensive Oxford Street is largely full of tat.
And Hampstead's not even on the board!
Not central enough - all the Monopoly properties are closer to the West End. But if the Angel's in, which it is, you could make a good case for Camden Town. Difficult to price, though.
Yes that has a better claim. Although come to think of it - which this is forcing me to - the board is all streets and squares and stations rather than residential areas. The exception being Mayfair. Mayfair should NOT be on there.
The urban myth is that these errors (the stations are odd, as well) derive from the British game's American source.
The original US version was Jersey City, I think? Then it made a million so they expanded - to London. And they sent some Yank to the Smoke to map out a London edition. As he had no native sense for the city you get anomalies like "Mayfair"
It's a really bad error because Park Lane is already there and that's representing Mayfair.
What they've done is like having Cheyne Walk AND Chelsea.
Bit of trivia; The Old Kent Road is the only Monopoly property set south of the river.
Typical anti South London bias. My commute used to take me from near to the cheapest property on the board to near to the most expensive. Now I get to slum it 24/7.
I think the snobbery against London is as bad as the snobbery against the rest of the country. I happen to think there are knobs wherever you come from
Good thing London has all that extra money and public services to comfort it against the snobbery.
In all seriousness as a Yorkshireman, I've nothing against any region of the UK, I'm not a snob against London and I think London is great. I just want my own region to have a fair share and I think I should be allowed to think that without it appearing like I want to take something away from London.
I remember visiting Middlesbrough in 2002 when I had a nice bijou basement flat just off Upper Street N1, living the North London dream, and thinking “we have a big problem here”. It felt like a different country. That was my first sense of the problem that, 14 years later, gave us Brexit.
Travelling from one part of London to another can feel like going to another country too. Parts of some boroughs of London have been left for decades to rot into the ground.
I had the same feeling moving from Wigan to London in the mid eighties. And comparing Mayfair to King' s Cross or New Cross. It isn't recent at all.
Surely anyone who's played Monopoly should know Mayfair and King's Cross are not going to be the same?
Monopoly's out of date though. Whitechapel is posh/bohemian these days. And as for the three cheap blue Islington streets - metropolitan elite or what? Meanwhile, the expensive Oxford Street is largely full of tat.
And Hampstead's not even on the board!
Not central enough - all the Monopoly properties are closer to the West End. But if the Angel's in, which it is, you could make a good case for Camden Town. Difficult to price, though.
Yes that has a better claim. Although come to think of it - which this is forcing me to - the board is all streets and squares and stations rather than residential areas. The exception being Mayfair. Mayfair should NOT be on there.
The urban myth is that these errors (the stations are odd, as well) derive from the British game's American source.
The original US version was Jersey City, I think? Then it made a million so they expanded - to London. And they sent some Yank to the Smoke to map out a London edition. As he had no native sense for the city you get anomalies like "Mayfair"
It's a really bad error because Park Lane is already there and that's representing Mayfair.
What they've done is like having Cheyne Walk AND Chelsea.
Bit of trivia; The Old Kent Road is the only Monopoly property set south of the river.
I do think (and expect) by the time of the next auction of rights for 2025/26 onwards all 380 PL matches will be sold.
That means more broadcasters joining the roster as Sky, BT, and Amazon weren't prepared to pay extra for the 180 matches not available for live coverage in the UK.
So I'd expect DAZN to join the fray, if Newcastle do get bought out by the Saudis (unlikely I know) beIN may also join in for the LOLZ and protection.
DAZN simply don't have the scale to get involved with domestic EPL rights. They have revenues of what £230m per year? Even with some level of growth you're talking about entering a rights auction where the minimum bid will be a 2-3x multiple of their current revenue. Setanta tried that model and fucked it. DAZN will be happy to just bid for overseas EPL rights in smaller markets as they currently do. The wildcards are ESPN/Disney+ and Discovery/WB because the Olympics aren't going to be anywhere near the audience draw they think it will be.
Don't tell anyone this but they had the funding in place for the 2022-25 cycle if it had gone to auction, (probably going for the smaller Amazon package as a starter.)
I suspect they may have been rejected on the grounds they don't have the ability to produce matches/shows to a suitable standard. Buying the rights is one thing, delivering them is another.
It was probably a good decision not to bother. The Amazon pack was a pile of wank, two matchdays all matches live was a bit poor. If they had just one matchday or ca. 10-30 matches it would just be a pointless exercise as not many people are going to subscribe for that small number.
BT found this out the hard way which is why they've retreaded from sports and TV. Their EPL package was never enough to get people in and Champion's League and Europa League rights appeal to far too few fans.
I do wonder whether the future is going to be club streaming packages offered by ESPN on a revshare basis with the clubs themselves.
I don't expect full streaming to happen this decade.
Ultimately the broadband network isn't good enough to cope with streaming every match over a season. Back in 2019 when Amazon showed the Merseyside derby there were problems in Liverpool as most of the city was trying to watch the match.
Imagine relying on Virgin Media to watch an entire season.
The other issue with streaming/app based matches is that revenues might take a hit due to login details being shared. It is possible for one person to have an account and let three others have a profile and share the account.
Cannot do that with Sky and others.
Also it is easier to cancel/default with a subscription/app like this, do that with Sky and the PL still get the money the default is a Sky issue not a PL/app issue.
I see Waitrose has become the next key vector in the increasingly divisive culture war.
Any moment now, I expect an article in Unherd (Why Waitrose deserves to Close), and some polling commentary from Matt Goodwin on the Red Wall's negative attitude to Waitrose. Meanwhile, no doubt Boris and his mates will continue to shop there.
No no no no no. Again, a northern prole misunderstands poshness.
Waitrose is owned by John Lewis. Remember what Carrie thought of John Lewis furniture. Boris and Carrie will think the same of Waitrose. They will use it for essentials but they will equally use M&S or Sainsburys, even Tesco. In London Waitrose is not high status, it is for lower/middle middle class people nervous of their status.
For posh stuff they will go to Whole Foods, Planet Organic, specialist food halls, delis
So am I right that the yearningly desperate wannabe poshos go to Waitrose but are laughed at by the swishly sophisticated wannabe poshos who go to Whole Foods etc ?
Now is there an even higher level of wannabe poshos who are laughing at the swishly sophisticated wannabe poshos ? And if so where do they shop ?
Finally where do the genuine poshos go ? Do they even exist ?
I see Waitrose has become the next key vector in the increasingly divisive culture war.
Any moment now, I expect an article in Unherd (Why Waitrose deserves to Close), and some polling commentary from Matt Goodwin on the Red Wall's negative attitude to Waitrose. Meanwhile, no doubt Boris and his mates will continue to shop there.
No no no no no. Again, a northern prole misunderstands poshness.
Waitrose is owned by John Lewis. Remember what Carrie thought of John Lewis furniture. Boris and Carrie will think the same of Waitrose. They will use it for essentials but they will equally use M&S or Sainsburys, even Tesco. In London Waitrose is not high status, it is for lower/middle middle class people nervous of their status.
For posh stuff they will go to Whole Foods, Planet Organic, specialist food halls, delis
So am I right that the yearningly desperate wannabe poshos go to Waitrose but are laughed at by the swishly sophisticated wannabe poshos who go to Whole Foods etc ?
Now is there an even higher level of wannabe poshos who are laughing at the swishly sophisticated wannabe poshos ? And if so where do they shop ?
Finally where do the genuine poshos go ? Do they even exist ?
Genuine poshos shop at Fortnum & Mason, now that Harrods is owned by cheap new money.
I see Waitrose has become the next key vector in the increasingly divisive culture war.
Any moment now, I expect an article in Unherd (Why Waitrose deserves to Close), and some polling commentary from Matt Goodwin on the Red Wall's negative attitude to Waitrose. Meanwhile, no doubt Boris and his mates will continue to shop there.
No no no no no. Again, a northern prole misunderstands poshness.
Waitrose is owned by John Lewis. Remember what Carrie thought of John Lewis furniture. Boris and Carrie will think the same of Waitrose. They will use it for essentials but they will equally use M&S or Sainsburys, even Tesco. In London Waitrose is not high status, it is for lower/middle middle class people nervous of their status.
For posh stuff they will go to Whole Foods, Planet Organic, specialist food halls, delis
So am I right that the yearningly desperate wannabe poshos go to Waitrose but are laughed at by the swishly sophisticated wannabe poshos who go to Whole Foods etc ?
Now is there an even higher level of wannabe poshos who are laughing at the swishly sophisticated wannabe poshos ? And if so where do they shop ?
Finally where do the genuine poshos go ? Do they even exist ?
The genuine poshos in London shop at Harrods, Fortnums, and Selfridges. Or rather, their butler does.
So Rideout expects people to transfer their savings into a currency widely expected to depreciate, while leaving their debts in a currency which may well grow stronger?
Surely it would be the other way round?
As there is no change to Sterling debts until such time as people and business ask for their banks to exchange them into the S£, then it is expected that the exchange of debts into S£ will lag significantly behind the exchange of deposits and cash.
In a free and perfect and liquid market something can't be widely expected to depreciate. If it were it would immediately crash to a level where it was widely expected to stay the same. It's always by definition fair value.
So polling conventional wisdom says it takes 3 days for "an event" to percolate into the polling.
The fieldwork for this You Gov is 3 days after the Boris/Sunak will they won't they self isolate farce.
This is identical to what happened with the wall paper Proud proclamation that no one cares. Point to immediate polls that don't have the reaction to the event in to prove that no-one cares. Shitting it when the polls start reflecting the event. Bold swagger once the even fades after 7 days.
Seven days is how long an even takes to work out if it is a blip.
The problem this time maybe, is events are rolling up like London buses. None for a while and then lots come at once
Johnson's bad behaviour comes and goes, and we forgive and forget. Empty shelves, difficulty obtaining fuel, bins not being emptied, cancelled holidays, should they gain traction stay in the mind for generations.
Voters who weren't even born in 1978/79 remember the Winter of Discontent.
That's if they do come.
The media babbling about empty shelves makes them look ridiculous if the shelves in the local supermarkets are full.
And some middle class prat in London complaining that they cannot get a particular brand of balsamic in Waitrose is a source of amusement to much of the country.
Though I have a suspicion that bins not being emptied is a potential problem - suburbia produces a lot of garden waste in the summer.
I wonder what the ratio is between the following 2 things -
(i) Gurus of Grim complaining about "middle class prats" complaining about the lack of (insert poncy product of choice) in Waitrose.
(ii) Actual middle class prats actually complaining about the lack of (random poncy product) in Waitrose.
I'm going for about 1000 to 1.
In which case it would show that there is no shortage in Waitrose.
And that the media babbling about empty shelves are only making themselves look ridiculous.
Of course this should already be apparent after the 'there are no strawberries in the shops' claims of 2017:
The highly educated, successful, professional who lives in an affluent part of London, travels a lot, particularly enjoys skiing, shops at Waitrose, supports Labour and voted Remain. This person offends something quite deep in you, Richard, it seems to me. There's something just fundamentally wrong about them in your eyes.
Waitrose really is a sort of cultural bellwether with a rep it doesn’t deserve,
Its rep is unmerited both ways -
1. It isn't full of effete trendies and bumptious mumsnets.
2. It isn't very good.
But it does have a narrow, and predominantly southern middle class, range of locations.
And it isn't very good value - though the Sheffield branch does provide free city centre parking.
I’m always puzzled by the upmarket reputation of Waitrose. Unless you find a really big one, the food - meat, veg, bread - is generally better at M&S. And just as good at a decent Sainsbury’s. The wine in Waitrose is overpriced, if a tiny bit posher, maybe. Waitrose does stock some more unusual ingredients, oils, sauces, and so on, but something like Whole Foods outclasses it easily
Waitrose’s reputation has been built entirely on location, I reckon. It inhabits very middle class areas or obviously upcoming areas which have nearly arrived. That’s it
Any of the big four supermarkets will now provide the range of niche and upmarket items which would only be found in posh places a decade or two back. The internet also provides an alternative for specialised food purchasing.
Which leads the posh places with a narrower usp in niche and upmarket items.
Judging by the responses on here, the reputation of Waitrose is higher with doddery provincial types than with swish sexy Londoners.
This is quite explicable. All the major supermarkets go upmarket in London. My local M&S sells £25 wagyu rib eye steaks. I doubt they do that in "Leicester", wherever that is
Also, Londoners have stores like Whole Foods (with no branches outside the capital, very sensibly) who stock superb ingredients, oils, seasonings, spirulina truffle essence, stuff that a Midlander or a Scotsman would probably put on his furniture, mistaking it for upmarket varnish, in that endearing but farcical way of theirs
So, in the sticks, Waitrose is seen as a sainted outpost of London poshness, but in London, paradoxically, it's just another shop with nice balsamic vinegar and Brabantia bin bags
So polling conventional wisdom says it takes 3 days for "an event" to percolate into the polling.
The fieldwork for this You Gov is 3 days after the Boris/Sunak will they won't they self isolate farce.
This is identical to what happened with the wall paper Proud proclamation that no one cares. Point to immediate polls that don't have the reaction to the event in to prove that no-one cares. Shitting it when the polls start reflecting the event. Bold swagger once the even fades after 7 days.
Seven days is how long an even takes to work out if it is a blip.
The problem this time maybe, is events are rolling up like London buses. None for a while and then lots come at once
Johnson's bad behaviour comes and goes, and we forgive and forget. Empty shelves, difficulty obtaining fuel, bins not being emptied, cancelled holidays, should they gain traction stay in the mind for generations.
Voters who weren't even born in 1978/79 remember the Winter of Discontent.
That's if they do come.
The media babbling about empty shelves makes them look ridiculous if the shelves in the local supermarkets are full.
And some middle class prat in London complaining that they cannot get a particular brand of balsamic in Waitrose is a source of amusement to much of the country.
Though I have a suspicion that bins not being emptied is a potential problem - suburbia produces a lot of garden waste in the summer.
I wonder what the ratio is between the following 2 things -
(i) Gurus of Grim complaining about "middle class prats" complaining about the lack of (insert poncy product of choice) in Waitrose.
(ii) Actual middle class prats actually complaining about the lack of (random poncy product) in Waitrose.
I'm going for about 1000 to 1.
In which case it would show that there is no shortage in Waitrose.
And that the media babbling about empty shelves are only making themselves look ridiculous.
Of course this should already be apparent after the 'there are no strawberries in the shops' claims of 2017:
The highly educated, successful, professional who lives in an affluent part of London, travels a lot, particularly enjoys skiing, shops at Waitrose, supports Labour and voted Remain. This person offends something quite deep in you, Richard, it seems to me. There's something just fundamentally wrong about them in your eyes.
Waitrose really is a sort of cultural bellwether with a rep it doesn’t deserve,
Its rep is unmerited both ways -
1. It isn't full of effete trendies and bumptious mumsnets.
2. It isn't very good.
But it does have a narrow, and predominantly southern middle class, range of locations.
And it isn't very good value - though the Sheffield branch does provide free city centre parking.
I’m always puzzled by the upmarket reputation of Waitrose. Unless you find a really big one, the food - meat, veg, bread - is generally better at M&S. And just as good at a decent Sainsbury’s. The wine in Waitrose is overpriced, if a tiny bit posher, maybe. Waitrose does stock some more unusual ingredients, oils, sauces, and so on, but something like Whole Foods outclasses it easily
Waitrose’s reputation has been built entirely on location, I reckon. It inhabits very middle class areas or obviously upcoming areas which have nearly arrived. That’s it
Any of the big four supermarkets will now provide the range of niche and upmarket items which would only be found in posh places a decade or two back. The internet also provides an alternative for specialised food purchasing.
Which leads the posh places with a narrower usp in niche and upmarket items.
Judging by the responses on here, the reputation of Waitrose is higher with doddery provincial types than with swish sexy Londoners.
This is quite explicable. All the major supermarkets go upmarket in London. My local M&S sells £25 wagyu rib eye steaks. I doubt they do that in "Leicester", wherever that is
Also, Londoners have stores like Whole Foods (with no branches outside the capital, very sensibly) who stock superb ingredients, oils, seasonings, spirulina truffle essence, stuff that a Midlander or a Scotsman would probably put on his furniture, mistaking it for upmarket varnish, in that endearing but farcical way of theirs
So, in the sticks, Waitrose is seen as a sainted outpost of London poshness, but in London, paradoxically, it's just another shop with nice balsamic vinegar and Brabantia bin bags
Hmm. 100.0%s. Lots of them. A lot in the >80s. The ECDC are claiming that there weren't 0.05% of >80s for whom vaccines were not contraindicated? (See this effect in highly vaxxed countries like Sweden and Finland, where 70-79s come out higher.) Hmm.
So people are surprised that elderly people, who could expect to die 40%+* of the time if they contracted COVID, were really, really keen on the vaccine?
Someone sent me this rather charming letter to Private Eye.
Sir,
It's unkind to use a classics degree as shorthand for "Bluster Lies and Deceit" that characterise the current government and I say that writing from my office in a university bioscience department. The sciences can and will save lives, especially in the face of climate change and current and future pandemics, but classics and the other humanities are going to be what makes those lives worth living afterwards.
The problem with Boris Johnson's response to the pandemic isn't that he studied classics: It's that he's a twat.
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So as a fan wanting to watch your team every week, you now needed three subs instead of one.
Any moment now, I expect an article in Unherd (Why Waitrose deserves to Close), and some polling commentary from Matt Goodwin on the Red Wall's negative attitude to Waitrose. Meanwhile, no doubt Boris and his mates will continue to shop there.
If that ruling gets reversed post-Brexit then that would be a great victory for Brexit.
That ruling allowed the PL to get even more money, making them sell to one bidder will ruin the league and clubs and wipe out most of the pyramid
This is quite explicable. All the major supermarkets go upmarket in London. My local M&S sells £25 wagyu rib eye steaks. I doubt they do that in "Leicester", wherever that is
Also, Londoners have stores like Whole Foods (with no branches outside the capital, very sensibly) who stock superb ingredients, oils, seasonings, spirulina truffle essence, stuff that a Midlander or a Scotsman would probably put on his furniture, mistaking it for upmarket varnish, in that endearing but farcical way of theirs
So, in the sticks, Waitrose is seen as a sainted outpost of London poshness, but in London, paradoxically, it's just another shop with nice balsamic vinegar and Brabantia bin bags
That means more broadcasters joining the roster as Sky, BT, and Amazon weren't prepared to pay extra for the 180 matches not available for live coverage in the UK.
So I'd expect DAZN to join the fray, if Newcastle do get bought out by the Saudis (unlikely I know) beIN may also join in for the LOLZ and protection.
Time to mow the lawn...
I'd get it from one of my local butchers or farm shops, or online.
Certainly (having lived in Hampstead for a few years) around here there are fewer gullibles with more money than sense.
Waitrose is owned by John Lewis. Remember what Carrie thought of John Lewis furniture. Boris and Carrie will think the same of Waitrose. They will use it for essentials but they will equally use M&S or Sainsburys, even Tesco. In London Waitrose is not high status, it is for lower/middle middle class people nervous of their status.
For posh stuff they will go to Whole Foods, Planet Organic, specialist food halls, delis
My mum, bless her, liked to get a tan, as was the fashion then.
She swore by a mixture of vinegar and olive oil (only available from the chemists back then) as a 'sun tan lotion'. It was years later before I realised she'd been dressing herself in vinaigrette. Happy days!
Steaks, for £30 each
Though I'd grant that that might not be wagyu of the "earwax removed by houris in lilly-white robes using extra-Virgin olive oil" sort of thing that passes for added-value in Chelsea.
On Carrie and John Lewis furniture, isn't that to do with following the Hyacinth Bouquet snobbery tradition, and a photo of a huge delivery from JL to Downing Street emerged within hours?
Hmm.
100.0%s. Lots of them.
A lot in the >80s. The ECDC are claiming that there weren't 0.05% of >80s for whom vaccines were not contraindicated?
(See this effect in highly vaxxed countries like Sweden and Finland, where 70-79s come out higher.)
Hmm.
https://twitter.com/PaulMainwood/status/1418907992582406146?s=20
I suspect they may have been rejected on the grounds they don't have the ability to produce matches/shows to a suitable standard. Buying the rights is one thing, delivering them is another.
The original US version was Jersey City, I think? Then it made a million so they expanded - to London. And they sent some Yank to the Smoke to map out a London edition. As he had no native sense for the city you get anomalies like "Mayfair"
https://www.buywholefoodsonline.co.uk/
So Rideout expects people to transfer their savings into a currency widely expected to depreciate, while leaving their debts in a currency which may well grow stronger?
Surely it would be the other way round?
As there is no change to Sterling debts until such time as people and business ask for their banks to exchange them into the S£, then it is expected that the exchange of debts into S£ will lag significantly behind the exchange of deposits and cash.
https://twitter.com/RideoutTim/status/1418628729123770371?s=20
The supply comes and goes. I guess even affluent north London is a tricky place to sell a single steak for thirty quid
But my God when you can get them they are amazing. Certainly not fake - I've had wagyu around the world and the M&S cuts are some of the best
Edit: Greens on 8%.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/564594-biden-receives-lowest-job-approval-rating-since-taking-office
If there is ever another indyref (and I begin to doubt this) then all the NO campaign has to do is show that thread to any Scottish voter, and they will run a fucking hundred miles away from YES. It's a sketch for an insane new currency written on a haggis-stained napkin by a "cartographer".
And this is the SNP's big plan for the Scottish £??
What they've done is like having Cheyne Walk AND Chelsea.
So local brands in their supermarkets vary massively, as in you'll find stuff in their Cornish stores that you won't find in their Scottish stores and vice versa.
The second biggest mistake, is in thinking the debtors will be given the choice.
It’ll be savings in S£, and debts in GB£, unless they want hundreds of billions of S£ to be sold to buy GB£, overnight on day 1 - with the resultant price movement that might be expected.
BT found this out the hard way which is why they've retreaded from sports and TV. Their EPL package was never enough to get people in and Champion's League and Europa League rights appeal to far too few fans.
I do wonder whether the future is going to be club streaming packages offered by ESPN on a revshare basis with the clubs themselves.
The original American version was Atlantic City, not Jersey City, and the reason the choice of London streets is so eccentric - to Londoners - is because two guys from Leeds came down to map it out in a day
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/dec/28/how-have-london-monopoly-streets-changed
My commute used to take me from near to the cheapest property on the board to near to the most expensive. Now I get to slum it 24/7.
Ultimately the broadband network isn't good enough to cope with streaming every match over a season. Back in 2019 when Amazon showed the Merseyside derby there were problems in Liverpool as most of the city was trying to watch the match.
Imagine relying on Virgin Media to watch an entire season.
The other issue with streaming/app based matches is that revenues might take a hit due to login details being shared. It is possible for one person to have an account and let three others have a profile and share the account.
Cannot do that with Sky and others.
Also it is easier to cancel/default with a subscription/app like this, do that with Sky and the PL still get the money the default is a Sky issue not a PL/app issue.
Now is there an even higher level of wannabe poshos who are laughing at the swishly sophisticated wannabe poshos ? And if so where do they shop ?
Finally where do the genuine poshos go ? Do they even exist ?
NEW THREAD
*Which is Black Death CFR....
Sir,
It's unkind to use a classics degree as shorthand for "Bluster Lies and Deceit" that characterise the current government and I say that writing from my office in a university bioscience department. The sciences can and will save lives, especially in the face of climate change and current and future pandemics, but classics and the other humanities are going to be what makes those lives worth living afterwards.
The problem with Boris Johnson's response to the pandemic isn't that he studied classics: It's that he's a twat.
John Boswell.
Durham
Possibly the best Top Gear segment ever