For the English there is only one story tonight and it is not about politics – politicalbetting.com

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For the English there is only one story tonight and it is not about politics – politicalbetting.com

Nice report. England beat Germany as Sterling and Kane send them to Euro 2020 last eight https://t.co/gNrMNzP8Vy

Read the full story here

Roger

The moment Gareth became a legend....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWqmqGsTTBI

Leon

“For the English”??

Surely the rest of the Celtic British nations - Ireland, Wales, that one with midges - are joining in the jubilation of the dominant nation, England? In a festival of British pride?


Anyway. Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

The nation advances

tlg86

Leon said:

“For the English”??

Surely the rest of the Celtic British nations - Ireland, Wales, that one with midges - are joining in the jubilation of the dominant nation, England? In a festival of British pride?


Anyway. Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

The nation advances

It's a fair point. I'd say it was the first victory in a knock-out game that England weren't expected to win since 1966.

kle4

Not about politics you say?

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

Foxy

Leon said:

“For the English”??

Surely the rest of the Celtic British nations - Ireland, Wales, that one with midges - are joining in the jubilation of the dominant nation, England? In a festival of British pride?


Anyway. Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

The nation advances

We only beat Germany in the Euros when we take the knee...

Weren't you one of the folk supporting Anyone But England just two weeks ago?

Leon

Foxy said:

Leon said:

“For the English”??

Surely the rest of the Celtic British nations - Ireland, Wales, that one with midges - are joining in the jubilation of the dominant nation, England? In a festival of British pride?


Anyway. Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

The nation advances

We only beat Germany in the Euros when we take the knee...

Weren't you one of the folk supporting Anyone But England just two weeks ago?

I think you‘ve mistaken me for some other PB commenter. It happens a lot and, to be honest, it is beginning to irk

tlg86

Foxy said:

Leon said:

“For the English”??

Surely the rest of the Celtic British nations - Ireland, Wales, that one with midges - are joining in the jubilation of the dominant nation, England? In a festival of British pride?


Anyway. Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

The nation advances

We only beat Germany in the Euros when we take the knee...

Weren't you one of the folk supporting Anyone But England just two weeks ago?

I don't recall us taking the knee in Euro 2000...

TimT

FPT @ ydoethur

"Catch 22

"But if you want proof.l look at this thread. Apparently England has on a football match and everyone is saying how shit they were."

Not sure that is an especially English thing. Binge watching the Aussie TV show "Offsping". Second-guessing oneself in moments of success seems a recurring theme.

dixiedean

Ukraine!

TheScreamingEagles

Matt Hancock should have listened to me.

I told him if he could survive to Tuesday everybody would have forgotten about his little indiscretion.

ydoethur

Correct.

The only story anyone is talking about tonight is Glamorgan’s fabulous last ball win in the T20.

dixiedean

A novelty. A free kick shot on goal when everyone was expecting the cross.
Nearly worked too.

ydoethur

TimT said:

FPT @ ydoethur

"Catch 22

"But if you want proof.l look at this thread. Apparently England has on a football match and everyone is saying how shit they were."

Not sure that is an especially English thing. Binge watching the Aussie TV show "Offsping". Second-guessing oneself in moments of success seems a recurring theme.

The English would claim the Aussies until not so very long ago...

TimT

Quite a lag on the BBC feed. I often - with cricket or footie - read something like dixedean's comment on here, log on, and it is at least a minute or so before it appears on the Beeb.

kinabalu

tlg86 said:

Leon said:

“For the English”??

Surely the rest of the Celtic British nations - Ireland, Wales, that one with midges - are joining in the jubilation of the dominant nation, England? In a festival of British pride?


Anyway. Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

The nation advances

It's a fair point. I'd say it was the first victory in a knock-out game that England weren't expected to win since 1966.

It was expected. We were clear betting favourites.

kle4

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

TheScreamingEagles

Leon said:

“For the English”??

Surely the rest of the Celtic British nations - Ireland, Wales, that one with midges - are joining in the jubilation of the dominant nation, England? In a festival of British pride?


Anyway. Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

The nation advances

Weren't you acting like a Scot only a few weeks ago and cheering for England's opponents?

Your treason will not be forgotten.

Leon

Ukraine? “Sweden”? Are these even countries, technically?

Who the fuck speaks Swekrainian, or whatever they call it

They should just give England the cup now, and we can let Scotch people briefly touch it once every three years on the special day they eat cooked meat under a roof

kinabalu

dixiedean said:

Ukraine!

I'm hoping for Sweden.

kle4

kinabalu said:

dixiedean said:

Ukraine!

I'm hoping for Sweden.

Ukraine deserve a break.

TimT

So, for the footie aficionados, which team should England fear more: Sweden or Ukraine?

tlg86

kinabalu said:

tlg86 said:

Leon said:

“For the English”??

Surely the rest of the Celtic British nations - Ireland, Wales, that one with midges - are joining in the jubilation of the dominant nation, England? In a festival of British pride?


Anyway. Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

The nation advances

It's a fair point. I'd say it was the first victory in a knock-out game that England weren't expected to win since 1966.

It was expected. We were clear betting favourites.

Shhhh!

Arguably England have never won a knock-out game they weren't expected to win. And that would probably stand even if they win this whole tournament.

alex_

TimT said:

So, for the footie aficionados, which team should England fear more: Sweden or Ukraine?

Until the last World Cup, definitely Sweden.

Leon

It’s actually a fair question. Why should the EU field about 73 teams, when the “region-nations” within the EU arguably have less autonomy than the noble states that make up the UK

They moan about us entering England, Wales, the porridgey one, well, maybe it’s time there was one EU team. And that’s that

OK they’d win quite a lot, but it would be equable. Down with France and Italy and these useless provinces that barely ever win. Let’s have a proper EU team selected by the EU Commission

kinabalu

Leon said:

Ukraine? “Sweden”? Are these even countries, technically?

Who the fuck speaks Swekrainian, or whatever they call it

They should just give England the cup now, and we can let Scotch people briefly touch it once every three years on the special day they eat cooked meat under a roof

Don't do this. You're spoiling things.

borisatsun

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

It's called Deutschlandlied (song of Germany) and they only sing the third verse now, which is the one that doesn't have them "uber alles"

another_richard

Other countries get jubilant for winning a tournament.

England fans get jubilant for winning a second round match.

Perhaps there's a connection.

Leon

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Ukraine? “Sweden”? Are these even countries, technically?

Who the fuck speaks Swekrainian, or whatever they call it

They should just give England the cup now, and we can let Scotch people briefly touch it once every three years on the special day they eat cooked meat under a roof

Don't do this. You're spoiling things.

For you, Kinabalu, for you

SandraMc

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

To this day I can't listen to the German National Anthem without remembering the version Spike Milligan sung of it:

"Germans have a sense of humour
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha-ha Ha "

MarqueeMark

TheScreamingEagles said:

Matt Hancock should have listened to me.

I told him if he could survive to Tuesday everybody would have forgotten about his little indiscretion.

Slight problem with your advice was that he stood no fucking chance whatsoever of surviving to Tuesday....

kle4

another_richard said:

Other countries get jubilant for winning a tournament.

England fans get jubilant for winning a second round match.

Perhaps there's a connection.

When you're expectations are so low, any improvement looks like a win.

I believe that's the pitch of about six different political parties too.

dixiedean

borisatsun said:

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

It's called Deutschlandlied (song of Germany) and they only sing the third verse now, which is the one that doesn't have them "uber alles"

Which, given today, was somewhat prescient.

MarqueeMark

another_richard said:

Other countries get jubilant for winning a tournament.

England fans get jubilant for winning a second round match.

Perhaps there's a connection.

And Scotland get jubilant for drawing a group qualifier.

TheScreamingEagles

TimT said:

So, for the footie aficionados, which team should England fear more: Sweden or Ukraine?

Avoid Sweden, I think between 1968 and 2012 we didn't win a competitive match against them.

We beat them in Euro 2012 (group stage) and QF in the 2018 WC.

another_richard

Spain looking worrying on new infections.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/

Last summer holidays in Spain were a great source for re-infecting much of Europe.

I doubt any lessons have been learned.

turbotubbs

another_richard said:

Other countries get jubilant for winning a tournament.

England fans get jubilant for winning a second round match.

Perhaps there's a connection.

Scots got jubilant about not losing to England...

FrancisUrquhart

One thing England definitely have team spirit. When England scored, even those I think unlucky to be left out e.g. Foden was just so excited. Even the end of the game I saw Calvert-Lewin (who didn't even make the bench, which is crazy decision) was there really pumped.

Compare to France, Mbappe loses and they all bugger off leaving him to it. With 4 days before reports in the French press saying not happy campers, especially with Mbappe behaviour.

Obviously much easier when you are winning to losing, but you still often see footballers there with a strop on if there were selected and the team are winning.

MarqueeMark

TimT said:

Quite a lag on the BBC feed. I often - with cricket or footie - read something like dixedean's comment on here, log on, and it is at least a minute or so before it appears on the Beeb.

We should just all pay dixiedean the licence fee.....

solarflare

MarqueeMark said:

another_richard said:

Other countries get jubilant for winning a tournament.

England fans get jubilant for winning a second round match.

Perhaps there's a connection.

And Scotland get jubilant for drawing a group qualifier.

Hey, we were just happy to be there, having qualified through the diddiest yet awesomest international tournament in the world, on penalties.

dixiedean

Level.
Forsberg looks like someone who might beat Pickford...

geoffw

Sverige!

FrancisUrquhart

Screamer...

alex_

borisatsun said:

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

It's called Deutschlandlied (song of Germany) and they only sing the third verse now, which is the one that doesn't have them "uber alles"

Ah well, I’ve learnt something...

Mexicanpete

another_richard said:

Other countries get jubilant for winning a tournament.

England fans get jubilant for winning a second round match.

Perhaps there's a connection.

If. I were to put another way, would it cheer you up?

Angela Merkel, Ursula Von Der Leyen, Keir Starmer, Kim Ledbetter, you took one hell of a beating tonight.

rpjs

borisatsun said:

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

It's called Deutschlandlied (song of Germany) and they only sing the third verse now, which is the one that doesn't have them "uber alles"

And the music was written by an Austrian (Haydn), who spent much of his life in what was then and still is in Hungary. Of course, I dare say he would have considered himself "German" if you asked him what his nationality was.

MaxPB

kinabalu said:

MaxPB said:

Can we just take a minute and remember Big_G predicting Wales to go through and England to go out.

Mmm and YOU saying we had no chance against Germany. ☺

It's a defence mechanism after 20 years of not beating Germany in tournaments. I can't allow myself to believe, it just ends in disappointment.

MarqueeMark

kle4 said:

another_richard said:

Other countries get jubilant for winning a tournament.

England fans get jubilant for winning a second round match.

Perhaps there's a connection.

When you're expectations are so low, any improvement looks like a win.

I believe that's the pitch of about six different political parties too.

When routine bites hard and ambitions are low

And resentment rides high but emotions won't grow

And we're changing our ways, taking different roads

Love, love will tear us apart again

Love, love will tear us apart again

Charles

Leon said:

“For the English”??

Surely the rest of the Celtic British nations - Ireland, Wales, that one with midges - are joining in the jubilation of the dominant nation, England? In a festival of British pride?


Anyway. Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

The nation advances

May be Boris is a lucky general…

ydoethur

another_richard said:

Spain looking worrying on new infections.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/

Last summer holidays in Spain were a great source for re-infecting much of Europe.

I doubt any lessons have been learned.

I don’t think it’s so much that they ‘haven’t been learned’ as ‘they won’t be applied.’

We all know it was a bloody fool mistake but the squealing of the travel industry and affluent apartment owners will again be louder than the voice of reason.

kinabalu

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Ukraine? “Sweden”? Are these even countries, technically?

Who the fuck speaks Swekrainian, or whatever they call it

They should just give England the cup now, and we can let Scotch people briefly touch it once every three years on the special day they eat cooked meat under a roof

Don't do this. You're spoiling things.

For you, Kinabalu, for you

No, you were writing the team off whilst I was behind them and calling it all spot on.

So I can celebrate but you can't. If you do it's inauthentic and it dulls my glow - which is unfair because I've earned it.

Leon

Huge roar here on the seafront at Las Illetes, Palma, Majorca

Lots of Swedes here!

DecrepiterJohnL

borisatsun said:

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

It's called Deutschlandlied (song of Germany) and they only sing the third verse now, which is the one that doesn't have them "uber alles"

Unity and justice and freedom
For the German fatherland!
Towards these let us all strive
Brotherly with heart and hand!
Unity and justice and freedom
Are the safeguards of fortune;
Flourish in the radiance of this fortune,
Flourish, German fatherland!
Flourish in the radiance of this fortune,
Flourish, German fatherland!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschlandlied#Lyrics

You can see why they lost after singing this greetings card pap.

Pulpstar

You'd never guess Forsberg is swedish would you

Charles

dixiedean said:

Ukraine!

Do we just use 1 defender or do we need more than 1…

Leon

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Ukraine? “Sweden”? Are these even countries, technically?

Who the fuck speaks Swekrainian, or whatever they call it

They should just give England the cup now, and we can let Scotch people briefly touch it once every three years on the special day they eat cooked meat under a roof

Don't do this. You're spoiling things.

For you, Kinabalu, for you

No, you were writing the team off whilst I was behind them and calling it all spot on.

So I can celebrate but you can't. If you do it's inauthentic and it spoils my glow - which is unfair because I've earned it.

The truly painful thing here is that you slightly believe this, don’t you?

another_richard

kle4 said:

another_richard said:

Other countries get jubilant for winning a tournament.

England fans get jubilant for winning a second round match.

Perhaps there's a connection.

When you're expectations are so low, any improvement looks like a win.

I believe that's the pitch of about six different political parties too.

Expectations should not be that low - this is an unimpressive German team, perhaps the worst since anyone can remember.

dixiedean

dixiedean said:

Level.
Forsberg looks like someone who might beat Pickford...

PS. Please make sure your licence fee is up to date.
Apologies. I am off to meditate for the second half.

rpjs

rpjs said:

borisatsun said:

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

It's called Deutschlandlied (song of Germany) and they only sing the third verse now, which is the one that doesn't have them "uber alles"

And the music was written by an Austrian (Haydn), who spent much of his life in what was then and still is in Hungary. Of course, I dare say he would have considered himself "German" if you asked him what his nationality was.

Oh, and the lyrics were written on an island that at the time was British (Heligoland).

DecrepiterJohnL

dixiedean said:

Level.
Forsberg looks like someone who might beat Pickford...

Forsberg was @Stocky's top scorer tip iirc at somewhere over 100/1.

kinabalu

another_richard said:

Other countries get jubilant for winning a tournament.

England fans get jubilant for winning a second round match.

Perhaps there's a connection.

Oh god it's the guru of grim.

Pulpstar

MaxPB said:

kinabalu said:

MaxPB said:

Can we just take a minute and remember Big_G predicting Wales to go through and England to go out.

Mmm and YOU saying we had no chance against Germany. ☺

It's a defence mechanism after 20 years of not beating Germany in tournaments. I can't allow myself to believe, it just ends in disappointment.

I think that led to the odds on England being bigger than they should have been tbh

ydoethur

rpjs said:

rpjs said:

borisatsun said:

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

It's called Deutschlandlied (song of Germany) and they only sing the third verse now, which is the one that doesn't have them "uber alles"

And the music was written by an Austrian (Haydn), who spent much of his life in what was then and still is in Hungary. Of course, I dare say he would have considered himself "German" if you asked him what his nationality was.

Oh, and the lyrics were written on an island that at the time was British (Heligoland).

That’s why they’re so Bighting.

FrancisUrquhart

alex_ said:

borisatsun said:

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

It's called Deutschlandlied (song of Germany) and they only sing the third verse now, which is the one that doesn't have them "uber alles"

Ah well, I’ve learnt something...

Phrases such as Uber Alles and Uber Allen are very touchy subject. Uber alles because of the infamous Olympics under Nazi regime and uber allen was WWI propaganda.

Luckyguy1983

rpjs said:

rpjs said:

borisatsun said:

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

It's called Deutschlandlied (song of Germany) and they only sing the third verse now, which is the one that doesn't have them "uber alles"

And the music was written by an Austrian (Haydn), who spent much of his life in what was then and still is in Hungary. Of course, I dare say he would have considered himself "German" if you asked him what his nationality was.

Oh, and the lyrics were written on an island that at the time was British (Heligoland).

That reminded me I found out that Porsche was an Austro-Hungarian company this week.

alex_

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

Spain looking worrying on new infections.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/

Last summer holidays in Spain were a great source for re-infecting much of Europe.

I doubt any lessons have been learned.

I don’t think it’s so much that they ‘haven’t been learned’ as ‘they won’t be applied.’

We all know it was a bloody fool mistake but the squealing of the travel industry and affluent apartment owners will again be louder than the voice of reason.

We don’t say England should be locking down and taking precautions in the face of rapidly rising numbers, so why should we judge Spain any differently? They aren’t as advanced in vaccination as the U.K. but does that matter? They’ve still probably vaccinated many of the most vulnerable.

Pulpstar

Pulpstar said:

MaxPB said:

kinabalu said:

MaxPB said:

Can we just take a minute and remember Big_G predicting Wales to go through and England to go out.

Mmm and YOU saying we had no chance against Germany. ☺

It's a defence mechanism after 20 years of not beating Germany in tournaments. I can't allow myself to believe, it just ends in disappointment.

I think that led to the odds on England being bigger than they should have been tbh

That general thinking. Our team was much better on paper

Anabobazina

Foxy said:

Leon said:

“For the English”??

Surely the rest of the Celtic British nations - Ireland, Wales, that one with midges - are joining in the jubilation of the dominant nation, England? In a festival of British pride?


Anyway. Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

The nation advances

We only beat Germany in the Euros when we take the knee...

Weren't you one of the folk supporting Anyone But England just two weeks ago?

Talking of fishy calls, how is your dismissal of this tournament as “bloated” before a ball was kicked going?

Black_Rook

ydoethur said:

rpjs said:

rpjs said:

borisatsun said:

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

It's called Deutschlandlied (song of Germany) and they only sing the third verse now, which is the one that doesn't have them "uber alles"

And the music was written by an Austrian (Haydn), who spent much of his life in what was then and still is in Hungary. Of course, I dare say he would have considered himself "German" if you asked him what his nationality was.

Oh, and the lyrics were written on an island that at the time was British (Heligoland).

That’s why they’re so Bighting.

Did you really have to Dogger us with your nautical punning?

YBarddCwsc

Mexicanpete said:

another_richard said:

Other countries get jubilant for winning a tournament.

England fans get jubilant for winning a second round match.

Perhaps there's a connection.

If. I were to put another way, would it cheer you up?

Angela Merkel, Ursula Von Der Leyen, Keir Starmer, Kim Ledbetter, you took one hell of a beating tonight.

Not merely is Galloway hounding & heckling her through the dark alleys of Batley & Spen, but also no one seems able to spell her name right

Leadbeater.

Leon

Charles said:

Leon said:

“For the English”??

Surely the rest of the Celtic British nations - Ireland, Wales, that one with midges - are joining in the jubilation of the dominant nation, England? In a festival of British pride?


Anyway. Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

The nation advances

May be Boris is a lucky general…

Of course he is. Always has been. That’s why Cameron was so freaked out - justifiably - when he heard that Boris was backing Leave. Suddenly a Leave win was very do-able, from almost nowhere

Boris Johnson is already the most consequential politician in British history since Churchill, alongside Thatcher and Blair. And he may yet out-do them.

This is not a value judgment. I think in many ways he is terrible. Just an observation

turbotubbs

MarqueeMark said:

kle4 said:

another_richard said:

Other countries get jubilant for winning a tournament.

England fans get jubilant for winning a second round match.

Perhaps there's a connection.

When you're expectations are so low, any improvement looks like a win.

I believe that's the pitch of about six different political parties too.

When routine bites hard and ambitions are low

And resentment rides high but emotions won't grow

And we're changing our ways, taking different roads

Love, love will tear us apart again

Love, love will tear us apart again

Preferred the Graeme Swann version...

FrancisUrquhart

From our earlier discussion on sports analytics...NFL...

The football, the pads, the first down markers and the pylons. They’re all microchipped. What data the NFL is tracking and sharing, and the possibilities of it all for
@CBSSports

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/the-future-of-nfl-computerized-player-tracking-and-data-collection-its-rapid-evolution-and-what-comes-next/

Alphabet_Soup

ydoethur said:

rpjs said:

rpjs said:

borisatsun said:

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

It's called Deutschlandlied (song of Germany) and they only sing the third verse now, which is the one that doesn't have them "uber alles"

And the music was written by an Austrian (Haydn), who spent much of his life in what was then and still is in Hungary. Of course, I dare say he would have considered himself "German" if you asked him what his nationality was.

Oh, and the lyrics were written on an island that at the time was British (Heligoland).

That’s why they’re so Bighting.

So it was us who gave them a jolly good Haydn.

FrancisUrquhart

"If I pick that team and we don’t win, I’m dead - Gareth Southgate

Black_Rook

Alphabet_Soup said:

ydoethur said:

rpjs said:

rpjs said:

borisatsun said:

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

It's called Deutschlandlied (song of Germany) and they only sing the third verse now, which is the one that doesn't have them "uber alles"

And the music was written by an Austrian (Haydn), who spent much of his life in what was then and still is in Hungary. Of course, I dare say he would have considered himself "German" if you asked him what his nationality was.

Oh, and the lyrics were written on an island that at the time was British (Heligoland).

That’s why they’re so Bighting.

So it was us who gave them a jolly good Haydn.

OK... their Bach was worse than their Bight...

dixiedean

Freddie Ljungberg is slowly, inexorably morphing into John Malkovich.

another_richard

kinabalu said:

another_richard said:

Other countries get jubilant for winning a tournament.

England fans get jubilant for winning a second round match.

Perhaps there's a connection.

Oh god it's the guru of grim.

Reality.

England have a history of obsessing about individual matches rather than concentrating on tournaments as a whole.

Somewhat similar to Scotland's obsession with beating England though the Scots do have the excuse of being only 10% the size of England and having sod all chance of winning a tournament.

Compare with England's obsessions with Germany and Argentina.

squareroot2

TimT said:

Quite a lag on the BBC feed. I often - with cricket or footie - read something like dixedean's comment on here, log on, and it is at least a minute or so before it appears on the Beeb.

Cricinfo is hugely better if you don't want the social media discourse which is crap.

borisatsun

I wish the Germans still had their unofficial 1948 West German anthem, the Trizonesien Song with this chorus -

We are the natives of Trizonesia,
Hi-di-chimmela-chimmela-chimmela-chimmela-boom!
We have little maids with fiery wild personalities,
Hi-di-chimmela-chimmela-chimmela-chimmela-boom!
We - in fact - do not eat people, but we kiss so much the better.
We are the natives of Trizonesia,
Hi-di-chimmela-chimmela-chimmela-chimmela-boom!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24zmxUw6dcQ

Luckyguy1983

dixiedean said:

Freddie Ljungberg is slowly, inexorably morphing into John Malkovich.

Are we to see him soon in a shit BBC adaptation of Poirot?

Mexicanpete

.

Charles said:

Leon said:

“For the English”??

Surely the rest of the Celtic British nations - Ireland, Wales, that one with midges - are joining in the jubilation of the dominant nation, England? In a festival of British pride?


Anyway. Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

The nation advances

May be Boris is a lucky general…

Just a lucky clown.

kinabalu

Charles said:

Leon said:

“For the English”??

Surely the rest of the Celtic British nations - Ireland, Wales, that one with midges - are joining in the jubilation of the dominant nation, England? In a festival of British pride?


Anyway. Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

The nation advances

May be Boris is a lucky general…

Didn't see him in the dugout. Did see Sir Gareth.

rpjs

FrancisUrquhart said:

alex_ said:

borisatsun said:

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

It's called Deutschlandlied (song of Germany) and they only sing the third verse now, which is the one that doesn't have them "uber alles"

Ah well, I’ve learnt something...

Phrases such as Uber Alles and Uber Allen are very touchy subject. Uber alles because of the infamous Olympics under Nazi regime and uber allen was WWI propaganda.

I don't think "Deutschland Uber Alles" was ever used as the title, and even if it's deemed non-woke to that verse these days, the meaning was to put loyalty a united Germany above loyalty to the various monarchical states that were at the time loosely grouped into a confederation. Probably the real objection to the first verse is that it talks about the territorial limits of the old German Confederation, and mentions places that er, aren't very close to the modern borders of Germany any more.

The second verse is not objectionable, but is about the virtues of German wine, women and song (no, really) so I guess is not serious enough to be the actual words sung at events etc.

Interestingly, the Deutschlandlied was only adopted as the national anthem after the end of the German monarchies in 1918. Although Haydn wrote the tune as a birthday present to the Austrian (well, still Holy Roman at that point) Emperor, Hoffmann von Fallersleben's words were considered too republican for it to be officially used until Germany actually became a republic. The Imperial national anthem under Kaiser Bill etc used the same music as God Save the Queen.

No-one seems to be very sure where that (i.e. GTSQ's) music came from but it was at one time used for the national anthems of many other countries, and still is by Liechtenstein, as well as the American patriotic song My Country 'Tis of Thee.

Mexicanpete

kinabalu said:

Charles said:

Leon said:

“For the English”??

Surely the rest of the Celtic British nations - Ireland, Wales, that one with midges - are joining in the jubilation of the dominant nation, England? In a festival of British pride?


Anyway. Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

The nation advances

May be Boris is a lucky general…

Didn't see him in the dugout. Did see Sir Gareth.

Just wait for tomorrow's campaign event.

another_richard

Mexicanpete said:

another_richard said:

Other countries get jubilant for winning a tournament.

England fans get jubilant for winning a second round match.

Perhaps there's a connection.

If. I were to put another way, would it cheer you up?

Angela Merkel, Ursula Von Der Leyen, Keir Starmer, Kim Ledbetter, you took one hell of a beating tonight.

Actually no.

For one thing I think Boris and the government generally need a boot up the arse to get them out of their complacent lethargy.

Instead they'll try to bask in reflected glory which is in no way deserved.

Pulpstar

Hampden looks so sad with barely any fans 🙁

kinabalu

another_richard said:

kinabalu said:

another_richard said:

Other countries get jubilant for winning a tournament.

England fans get jubilant for winning a second round match.

Perhaps there's a connection.

Oh god it's the guru of grim.

Reality.

England have a history of obsessing about individual matches rather than concentrating on tournaments as a whole.

Somewhat similar to Scotland's obsession with beating England though the Scots do have the excuse of being only 10% the size of England and having sod all chance of winning a tournament.

Compare with England's obsessions with Germany and Argentina.

But the key thing is that didn't infect the team. They just did a job of work. No biggie. This is why it looks so good for making the final.

ydoethur

Black_Rook said:

ydoethur said:

rpjs said:

rpjs said:

borisatsun said:

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

It's called Deutschlandlied (song of Germany) and they only sing the third verse now, which is the one that doesn't have them "uber alles"

And the music was written by an Austrian (Haydn), who spent much of his life in what was then and still is in Hungary. Of course, I dare say he would have considered himself "German" if you asked him what his nationality was.

Oh, and the lyrics were written on an island that at the time was British (Heligoland).

That’s why they’re so Bighting.

Did you really have to Dogger us with your nautical punning?

Itsire way of passing the time.

solarflare

Pulpstar said:

Hampden looks so sad with barely any fans 🙁

It's funny how quickly the world is moving at the moment, at the beginning of the tournament that would have been a respectable number and a decent atmosphere, but at this stage in the tournament it does look a tad forlorn in comparison to some of the big games recently.

tlg86

solarflare said:

Pulpstar said:

Hampden looks so sad with barely any fans 🙁

It's funny how quickly the world is moving at the moment, at the beginning of the tournament that would have been a respectable number and a decent atmosphere, but at this stage in the tournament it does look a tad forlorn in comparison to some of the big games recently.

Worth remembering that the England v Germany game should have been in Dublin.

kinabalu

MaxPB said:

kinabalu said:

MaxPB said:

Can we just take a minute and remember Big_G predicting Wales to go through and England to go out.

Mmm and YOU saying we had no chance against Germany. ☺

It's a defence mechanism after 20 years of not beating Germany in tournaments. I can't allow myself to believe, it just ends in disappointment.

Yes, fair enough. Totally understand. So you keep doing that. It's working.

TimT

DecrepiterJohnL said:

borisatsun said:

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

It's called Deutschlandlied (song of Germany) and they only sing the third verse now, which is the one that doesn't have them "uber alles"

Unity and justice and freedom
For the German fatherland!
Towards these let us all strive
Brotherly with heart and hand!
Unity and justice and freedom
Are the safeguards of fortune;
Flourish in the radiance of this fortune,
Flourish, German fatherland!
Flourish in the radiance of this fortune,
Flourish, German fatherland!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschlandlied#Lyrics

You can see why they lost after singing this greetings card pap.

Also, not Woke enough. Fatherland indeed. Parentland, surely!!

solarflare

tlg86 said:

solarflare said:

Pulpstar said:

Hampden looks so sad with barely any fans 🙁

It's funny how quickly the world is moving at the moment, at the beginning of the tournament that would have been a respectable number and a decent atmosphere, but at this stage in the tournament it does look a tad forlorn in comparison to some of the big games recently.

Worth remembering that the England v Germany game should have been in Dublin.

It's definitely a fair point and the whole tournament has been a bit strange with the home advantage for a lot of teams. And having said all that the atmosphere in this second half is still very good and much better than the first half.

I think only the first Wales game in Azerbaijan has had anything less than a decent atmosphere in the whole tournament.

tlg86

Sweden v Ukraine has been pretty good so far. I'm thinking that Sweden would be the tougher opponent, but I'm not sure there's much in it.

Stereodog

FrancisUrquhart said:

alex_ said:

borisatsun said:

kle4 said:

alex_ said:

Taz said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

JohnO said:

Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.

No - this is a team with a lefty remainery vibe. Their success will help Labour if anything.

BLM rules...

We can already write the script.

The Left will say it's down to BLM and Wokeness.

The Right will say it's down to post Brexit confidence and swagger.

And booong the German national anthem

Of all the national anthems you are allowed to boo, surely the German one qualifies?

“Deutschland Uber alles”

Imagine the criticism if that was the title of the U.K. one?

Is that it's title? I though they didn't even sing that verse anymore.

And historical connotations aside for Germany's, aren't most anthems about how their nationis better than others?

It's called Deutschlandlied (song of Germany) and they only sing the third verse now, which is the one that doesn't have them "uber alles"

Ah well, I’ve learnt something...

Phrases such as Uber Alles and Uber Allen are very touchy subject. Uber alles because of the infamous Olympics under Nazi regime and uber allen was WWI propaganda.

It's also debatable whether uber alles is in anyway sinister. When the anthem was written Germany was only recently unified so a lot of people felt more loyalty to their former state than Germany. The verse really exhorts people to put German interests above personal interests and the interests of say Hanover. No-one ever complains about the French anthem despite it being incredibly bloody and warlike.

FrankBooth

I have to say I find Leon's support for the England football team about as convincing as Gordon Brown's was

darkage

Leon said:

Charles said:

Leon said:

“For the English”??

Surely the rest of the Celtic British nations - Ireland, Wales, that one with midges - are joining in the jubilation of the dominant nation, England? In a festival of British pride?


Anyway. Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

The nation advances

May be Boris is a lucky general…

Of course he is. Always has been. That’s why Cameron was so freaked out - justifiably - when he heard that Boris was backing Leave. Suddenly a Leave win was very do-able, from almost nowhere

Boris Johnson is already the most consequential politician in British history since Churchill, alongside Thatcher and Blair. And he may yet out-do them.

This is not a value judgment. I think in many ways he is terrible. Just an observation

Yes - he has reinvented his party and almost single handedly reshaped the political landscape - almost certainly to a greater degree than either Blair or Thatcher.

MarqueeMark

tlg86 said:

Sweden v Ukraine has been pretty good so far. I'm thinking that Sweden would be the tougher opponent, but I'm not sure there's much in it.

I want Ukraine to win. They owe us a couple of own goals for sending our gunboat to emphasise their sovereignty over Crimea.....

kinabalu

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Ukraine? “Sweden”? Are these even countries, technically?

Who the fuck speaks Swekrainian, or whatever they call it

They should just give England the cup now, and we can let Scotch people briefly touch it once every three years on the special day they eat cooked meat under a roof

Don't do this. You're spoiling things.

For you, Kinabalu, for you

No, you were writing the team off whilst I was behind them and calling it all spot on.

So I can celebrate but you can't. If you do it's inauthentic and it spoils my glow - which is unfair because I've earned it.

The truly painful thing here is that you slightly believe this, don’t you?

It is a real issue, yes. I'm feeling bullish and vindicated - just generally very UP - but I can't be sharing joy with you if you're going to get all jingoistic. We need to agree on a lingua franca for celebrating England wins. Exuberant but with boundaries.

Black_Rook

kinabalu said:

MaxPB said:

kinabalu said:

MaxPB said:

Can we just take a minute and remember Big_G predicting Wales to go through and England to go out.

Mmm and YOU saying we had no chance against Germany. ☺

It's a defence mechanism after 20 years of not beating Germany in tournaments. I can't allow myself to believe, it just ends in disappointment.

Yes, fair enough. Totally understand. So you keep doing that. It's working.

Radical Pessimism is the way forward. If enough of us insist with sufficient conviction that it will all go to pot, then the Universe will drive England to a glorious victory just to prove us all wrong.

Now, everyone repeat: It's all going too well, they are bound to fall flat on their faces in the quarter-final, it will be an unmitigated disaster.