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  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Pulpstar said:

    Why do footballers get so many cramps ?
    Tennis players can play 4 hour matches at Wimbledon

    Don't footballers actually run much further, though?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    tlg86 said:

    It seems to me that players are now being held accountable for what happens after they win the ball. Andy Robertson would probably get a red if he did this today:

    https://site-cdn.givemesport.com/images/20/01/12/6ee68c97947da8b63275091c719f063d/960.jpg

    Nah, look at where his foot is and where it is going, low and going downwards.

    The Swedish player was very high and going higher.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Ukraine? “Sweden”? Are these even countries, technically?

    Who the fuck speaks Swekrainian, or whatever they call it

    They should just give England the cup now, and we can let Scotch people briefly touch it once every three years on the special day they eat cooked meat under a roof

    Don't do this. You're spoiling things.
    For you, Kinabalu, for you
    No, you were writing the team off whilst I was behind them and calling it all spot on.

    So I can celebrate but you can't. If you do it's inauthentic and it spoils my glow - which is unfair because I've earned it.
    The truly painful thing here is that you slightly believe this, don’t you?
    It is a real issue, yes. I'm feeling bullish and vindicated - just generally very UP - but I can't be sharing joy with you if you're going to get all jingoistic. We need to agree on a lingua franca for celebrating England wins. Exuberant but with boundaries.
    You could just let everyone enjoy it their own way, and stop trying to police thoughts on here.
    Just let everything go and be a chap? That would be too easy. Couldn't live with myself if I did that. Not how I was raised.
    At least stop pretending (or imagining) you can mind read. We all know you can't.
    I can't mind read - but given written material to work with, I imagine I can do a lot. Hence why I find PB so fascinating. People really express themselves on here, often unwittingly.
    FTFY
    See, as an example, I can deduce here that I've said something to you and about you at some point that is either wide of the mark or totally spot on. That's right, isn't it?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    TimT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why do footballers get so many cramps ?
    Tennis players can play 4 hour matches at Wimbledon

    Don't footballers actually run much further, though?
    Yep, Federer runs about a mile on average per match. Footballers 7 miles.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    tlg86 said:

    It seems to me that players are now being held accountable for what happens after they win the ball. Andy Robertson would probably get a red if he did this today:

    https://site-cdn.givemesport.com/images/20/01/12/6ee68c97947da8b63275091c719f063d/960.jpg

    Nah, look at where his foot is and where it is going, low and going downwards.

    The Swedish player was very high and going higher.
    But he only gets sent off if the other player goes for a ball that he was very much second favourite for. Players kick that high all the time. Are they supposed to be held responsible for where opponents put their bodies?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    tlg86 said:

    It seems to me that players are now being held accountable for what happens after they win the ball. Andy Robertson would probably get a red if he did this today:

    https://site-cdn.givemesport.com/images/20/01/12/6ee68c97947da8b63275091c719f063d/960.jpg

    His leg was dangerously high and studs out.

    Straight red, that looked very reckless and could be long term knee damage.
  • xyzxyzxyzxyzxyzxyz Posts: 60

    Why does SeanT keep changing monicker?

    There is a coverup of the disappearance of his wife going on. Think Rear Window.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    “For the English”??

    Surely the rest of the Celtic British nations - Ireland, Wales, that one with midges - are joining in the jubilation of the dominant nation, England? In a festival of British pride?


    Anyway. Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

    One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

    The nation advances

    May be Boris is a lucky general…
    Of course he is. Always has been. That’s why Cameron was so freaked out - justifiably - when he heard that Boris was backing Leave. Suddenly a Leave win was very do-able, from almost nowhere

    Boris Johnson is already the most consequential politician in British history since Churchill, alongside Thatcher and Blair. And he may yet out-do them.

    This is not a value judgment. I think in many ways he is terrible. Just an observation
    He's already out-done Blair in legacy. Taking Britain through Covid and out of Europe is a bigger legacy than invading Iraq. Will never surpass Thatcher, nobody could.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,150
    edited June 2021
    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Talking of Ukraine, we just signed a £1bn+ business deal with them.

    Various Naval ships and bases.

    But there may be a degree of re-announcement happening, methinks.

    Yes, I think Ukraine wants to be in NATO, as well as the EU. Best do it in baby steps I think.
    Yes - agree with that.

    It needs to be a secure, and stable, democracy that can stand up sufficently to Putin, since he seems to be in place until the mid 2030s. Ukraine getting Donbas back will take some time.

    But very good for UK, as we are a tiny trading partner at present.

    Hopefully we will develop a strong green services industry as we have a very leading position, and others that could build trade. They signed a strategic partnership at the same time, but it is 575 pages so I didn't read it.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    It seems to me that players are now being held accountable for what happens after they win the ball. Andy Robertson would probably get a red if he did this today:

    https://site-cdn.givemesport.com/images/20/01/12/6ee68c97947da8b63275091c719f063d/960.jpg

    His leg was dangerously high and studs out.

    Straight red, that looked very reckless and could be long term knee damage.
    But that happens all the time. It's only because the opposition player was stupid enough to get in the way of the follow through.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sweden v Ukraine has been pretty good so far. I'm thinking that Sweden would be the tougher opponent, but I'm not sure there's much in it.

    I want Ukraine to win. They owe us a couple of own goals for sending our gunboat to emphasise their sovereignty over Crimea.....
    “us”

    I thought it was a Yookay (and a Dutch) gunboat.
    England is part of the UK. Thus "us" is perfectly reasonable for any of the home nations to use it.
    In that case, feel free to relocate “your” nuclear warheads from the Clyde to the Thames.
    Would much prefer it moved to some other English city, given London has plenty of jobs already.
    Huh? London? I was more thinking of the Medway. But your weapons for murdering women and children, so place them where you like. In your own country.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    Pulpstar said:

    Why do footballers get so many cramps ?
    Tennis players can play 4 hour matches at Wimbledon

    How much distance does a tennis player cover in a match?

    I know plenty of footballers cover >10km per match.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    It seems to me that players are now being held accountable for what happens after they win the ball. Andy Robertson would probably get a red if he did this today:

    https://site-cdn.givemesport.com/images/20/01/12/6ee68c97947da8b63275091c719f063d/960.jpg

    Nah, look at where his foot is and where it is going, low and going downwards.

    The Swedish player was very high and going higher.
    But he only gets sent off if the other player goes for a ball that he was very much second favourite for. Players kick that high all the time. Are they supposed to be held responsible for where opponents put their bodies?
    High kicks are much more likely to be a red though.

    That kick could have broken his leg, its definitely a red. Dangerous kicks are reds nowadays even if you win the ball.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    How critical is Danielson to the Swedish team? Should we be cheering them now?
  • borisatsunborisatsun Posts: 188
    edited June 2021
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Ukraine? “Sweden”? Are these even countries, technically?

    Who the fuck speaks Swekrainian, or whatever they call it

    They should just give England the cup now, and we can let Scotch people briefly touch it once every three years on the special day they eat cooked meat under a roof

    Don't do this. You're spoiling things.
    For you, Kinabalu, for you
    No, you were writing the team off whilst I was behind them and calling it all spot on.

    So I can celebrate but you can't. If you do it's inauthentic and it spoils my glow - which is unfair because I've earned it.
    The truly painful thing here is that you slightly believe this, don’t you?
    It is a real issue, yes. I'm feeling bullish and vindicated - just generally very UP - but I can't be sharing joy with you if you're going to get all jingoistic. We need to agree on a lingua franca for celebrating England wins. Exuberant but with boundaries.
    You could just let everyone enjoy it their own way, and stop trying to police thoughts on here.
    Just let everything go and be a chap? That would be too easy. Couldn't live with myself if I did that. Not how I was raised.
    At least stop pretending (or imagining) you can mind read. We all know you can't.
    I can't mind read - but given written material to work with, I imagine I can do a lot. Hence why I find PB so fascinating. People really express themselves on here, often unwittingly.
    FTFY
    See, as an example, I can deduce here that I've said something to you and about you at some point that is either wide of the mark or totally spot on. That's right, isn't it?
    Wrong again.

    Stop it. You're no good at it, so you frequently make unpleasant and false accusations about people. And you do it like a smug prick.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sweden v Ukraine has been pretty good so far. I'm thinking that Sweden would be the tougher opponent, but I'm not sure there's much in it.

    I want Ukraine to win. They owe us a couple of own goals for sending our gunboat to emphasise their sovereignty over Crimea.....
    “us”

    I thought it was a Yookay (and a Dutch) gunboat.
    England is part of the UK. Thus "us" is perfectly reasonable for any of the home nations to use it.
    In that case, feel free to relocate “your” nuclear warheads from the Clyde to the Thames.
    Would much prefer it moved to some other English city, given London has plenty of jobs already.
    Huh? London? I was more thinking of the Medway. But your weapons for murdering women and children, so place them where you like. In your own country.
    Scots voted for Trident to remain in Scotland.

    Deal with it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sweden v Ukraine has been pretty good so far. I'm thinking that Sweden would be the tougher opponent, but I'm not sure there's much in it.

    I want Ukraine to win. They owe us a couple of own goals for sending our gunboat to emphasise their sovereignty over Crimea.....
    “us”

    I thought it was a Yookay (and a Dutch) gunboat.
    England is part of the UK. Thus "us" is perfectly reasonable for any of the home nations to use it.
    In that case, feel free to relocate “your” nuclear warheads from the Clyde to the Thames.
    Would much prefer it moved to some other English city, given London has plenty of jobs already.
    Huh? London? I was more thinking of the Medway. But your weapons for murdering women and children, so place them where you like. In your own country.
    Falmouth would be better, as direct access to the Atlantic.

    Though I want them scrapped, they are an obsolete Cold War weapon.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Pulpstar said:

    Why do footballers get so many cramps ?
    Tennis players can play 4 hour matches at Wimbledon

    How much distance does a tennis player cover in a match?

    I know plenty of footballers cover >10km per match.
    See my post below - 7 miles vs 1 mile in the footballers' favour
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    It seems to me that players are now being held accountable for what happens after they win the ball. Andy Robertson would probably get a red if he did this today:

    https://site-cdn.givemesport.com/images/20/01/12/6ee68c97947da8b63275091c719f063d/960.jpg

    Nah, look at where his foot is and where it is going, low and going downwards.

    The Swedish player was very high and going higher.
    But he only gets sent off if the other player goes for a ball that he was very much second favourite for. Players kick that high all the time. Are they supposed to be held responsible for where opponents put their bodies?
    It's simple for me, you put your feet that high up and don't be surprised to get a red card.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    Whys that not a red for the Ukranian ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    TimT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why do footballers get so many cramps ?
    Tennis players can play 4 hour matches at Wimbledon

    How much distance does a tennis player cover in a match?

    I know plenty of footballers cover >10km per match.
    See my post below - 7 miles vs 1 mile in the footballers' favour
    Ta, that explains it then.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042

    Pulpstar said:

    Why do footballers get so many cramps ?
    Tennis players can play 4 hour matches at Wimbledon

    How much distance does a tennis player cover in a match?

    I know plenty of footballers cover >10km per match.
    I imagine something about the type of movement is key also. Tennis players are basically flat out sprints broken up by pauses between points and games. Football has some of that but is much more jogging around the pitch too but with fewer full no breaks in movement.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    It seems to me that players are now being held accountable for what happens after they win the ball. Andy Robertson would probably get a red if he did this today:

    https://site-cdn.givemesport.com/images/20/01/12/6ee68c97947da8b63275091c719f063d/960.jpg

    Nah, look at where his foot is and where it is going, low and going downwards.

    The Swedish player was very high and going higher.
    But he only gets sent off if the other player goes for a ball that he was very much second favourite for. Players kick that high all the time. Are they supposed to be held responsible for where opponents put their bodies?
    It's simple for me, you put your feet that high up and don't be surprised to get a red card.
    Were you embarrassed when Liverpool appealed this red card?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I4OjtbRD9I

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41232863
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,793

    moonshine said:

    Suffering your first trauma with the England football team as a child is a bit like breaking up with your first love. You never fully get over it, though time’s a healer. In this case, a very long time but we got there in the end!

    That sobbing German girl in the pictures at the end is every one of us, be it 1970, 90, 96 or whenever else. You’ll be ok lass. Just not tonight.

    For me it was the injustice of the maradona handball. First realised that life could be unfair, and uefa wasn’t going to order the game replayed.
    And yet, no sport emphasises that life is unfair as much as football.
    You don't always finish a football tournament which England are in feeling cheated - but it's more common than not.
    I never feel that way seeing England crash out of the RWC or losing the Ashes. If you lose at cricket or rugby it's almost always a side matter of the other side being better. I mean, I remember England losing the final of the 2007 RWC by the width of Matt Tait's boot - but losing faith and square. But football gives so many opportunities for disappointment and bitterness.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,803

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sweden v Ukraine has been pretty good so far. I'm thinking that Sweden would be the tougher opponent, but I'm not sure there's much in it.

    I want Ukraine to win. They owe us a couple of own goals for sending our gunboat to emphasise their sovereignty over Crimea.....
    “us”

    I thought it was a Yookay (and a Dutch) gunboat.
    England is part of the UK. Thus "us" is perfectly reasonable for any of the home nations to use it.
    In that case, feel free to relocate “your” nuclear warheads from the Clyde to the Thames.
    Would much prefer it moved to some other English city, given London has plenty of jobs already.
    Huh? London? I was more thinking of the Medway. But your weapons for murdering women and children, so place them where you like. In your own country.
    Excellent news that we keep our nuclear weapons in the UK then.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    moonshine said:

    Suffering your first trauma with the England football team as a child is a bit like breaking up with your first love. You never fully get over it, though time’s a healer. In this case, a very long time but we got there in the end!

    That sobbing German girl in the pictures at the end is every one of us, be it 1970, 90, 96 or whenever else. You’ll be ok lass. Just not tonight.

    Three Lions, given that it was released in 1996, is lyrically inaccurate.

    1970 to 1996 is "26 years of hurt", not "30".
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    xyzxyzxyz said:

    Why does SeanT keep changing monicker?

    There is a coverup of the disappearance of his wife going on. Think Rear Window.
    More like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,928
    MaxPB said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sweden v Ukraine has been pretty good so far. I'm thinking that Sweden would be the tougher opponent, but I'm not sure there's much in it.

    I want Ukraine to win. They owe us a couple of own goals for sending our gunboat to emphasise their sovereignty over Crimea.....
    “us”

    I thought it was a Yookay (and a Dutch) gunboat.
    England is part of the UK. Thus "us" is perfectly reasonable for any of the home nations to use it.
    In that case, feel free to relocate “your” nuclear warheads from the Clyde to the Thames.
    Would much prefer it moved to some other English city, given London has plenty of jobs already.
    Huh? London? I was more thinking of the Medway. But your weapons for murdering women and children, so place them where you like. In your own country.
    Excellent news that we keep our nuclear weapons in the UK then.
    He doesn't want them in Sweden is all.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    moonshine said:

    Suffering your first trauma with the England football team as a child is a bit like breaking up with your first love. You never fully get over it, though time’s a healer. In this case, a very long time but we got there in the end!

    That sobbing German girl in the pictures at the end is every one of us, be it 1970, 90, 96 or whenever else. You’ll be ok lass. Just not tonight.

    Three Lions, given that it was released in 1996, is lyrically inaccurate.

    1970 to 1996 is "26 years of hurt", not "30".
    28 at least.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    It seems to me that players are now being held accountable for what happens after they win the ball. Andy Robertson would probably get a red if he did this today:

    https://site-cdn.givemesport.com/images/20/01/12/6ee68c97947da8b63275091c719f063d/960.jpg

    Nah, look at where his foot is and where it is going, low and going downwards.

    The Swedish player was very high and going higher.
    But he only gets sent off if the other player goes for a ball that he was very much second favourite for. Players kick that high all the time. Are they supposed to be held responsible for where opponents put their bodies?
    It's simple for me, you put your feet that high up and don't be surprised to get a red card.
    Were you embarrassed when Liverpool appealed this red card?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I4OjtbRD9I

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41232863
    Yes.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    Cookie said:

    moonshine said:

    Suffering your first trauma with the England football team as a child is a bit like breaking up with your first love. You never fully get over it, though time’s a healer. In this case, a very long time but we got there in the end!

    That sobbing German girl in the pictures at the end is every one of us, be it 1970, 90, 96 or whenever else. You’ll be ok lass. Just not tonight.

    For me it was the injustice of the maradona handball. First realised that life could be unfair, and uefa wasn’t going to order the game replayed.
    And yet, no sport emphasises that life is unfair as much as football.
    You don't always finish a football tournament which England are in feeling cheated - but it's more common than not.
    I never feel that way seeing England crash out of the RWC or losing the Ashes. If you lose at cricket or rugby it's almost always a side matter of the other side being better. I mean, I remember England losing the final of the 2007 RWC by the width of Matt Tait's boot - but losing faith and square. But football gives so many opportunities for disappointment and bitterness.
    Yes, that is one reason that makes football such a great game. The best team doesn't always win. That unpredictability is key.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    Quincel said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why do footballers get so many cramps ?
    Tennis players can play 4 hour matches at Wimbledon

    How much distance does a tennis player cover in a match?

    I know plenty of footballers cover >10km per match.
    I imagine something about the type of movement is key also. Tennis players are basically flat out sprints broken up by pauses between points and games. Football has some of that but is much more jogging around the pitch too but with fewer full no breaks in movement.
    Yeah running 8 miles in 2 hours isn't particularly hard.
    I don't think footballers pay enough attention to nutrition at half time and full time tbh
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Ukraine? “Sweden”? Are these even countries, technically?

    Who the fuck speaks Swekrainian, or whatever they call it

    They should just give England the cup now, and we can let Scotch people briefly touch it once every three years on the special day they eat cooked meat under a roof

    Don't do this. You're spoiling things.
    For you, Kinabalu, for you
    No, you were writing the team off whilst I was behind them and calling it all spot on.

    So I can celebrate but you can't. If you do it's inauthentic and it spoils my glow - which is unfair because I've earned it.
    The truly painful thing here is that you slightly believe this, don’t you?
    It is a real issue, yes. I'm feeling bullish and vindicated - just generally very UP - but I can't be sharing joy with you if you're going to get all jingoistic. We need to agree on a lingua franca for celebrating England wins. Exuberant but with boundaries.
    You could just let everyone enjoy it their own way, and stop trying to police thoughts on here.
    Just let everything go and be a chap? That would be too easy. Couldn't live with myself if I did that. Not how I was raised.
    At least stop pretending (or imagining) you can mind read. We all know you can't.
    I can't mind read - but given written material to work with, I imagine I can do a lot. Hence why I find PB so fascinating. People really express themselves on here, often unwittingly.
    FTFY
    See, as an example, I can deduce here that I've said something to you and about you at some point that is either wide of the mark or totally spot on. That's right, isn't it?
    Wrong again.

    Stop it. You're no good at it, so you frequently make unpleasant and false accuations about people. And you do it like a smug prick.
    What, so when I called you a supercilious, noddy-brained, anti-muslim, transphobic bigot, it was neither wide of the mark nor totally spot on?
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sweden v Ukraine has been pretty good so far. I'm thinking that Sweden would be the tougher opponent, but I'm not sure there's much in it.

    I want Ukraine to win. They owe us a couple of own goals for sending our gunboat to emphasise their sovereignty over Crimea.....
    “us”

    I thought it was a Yookay (and a Dutch) gunboat.
    England is part of the UK. Thus "us" is perfectly reasonable for any of the home nations to use it.
    In that case, feel free to relocate “your” nuclear warheads from the Clyde to the Thames.
    Would much prefer it moved to some other English city, given London has plenty of jobs already.
    Huh? London? I was more thinking of the Medway. But your weapons for murdering women and children, so place them where you like. In your own country.
    Scots voted for Trident to remain in Scotland.

    Deal with it.
    Missed that vote. Please provide source.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Anyone want to estimate what percentage of this game has been men rolling around on the floor in pain?
  • borisatsunborisatsun Posts: 188
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Ukraine? “Sweden”? Are these even countries, technically?

    Who the fuck speaks Swekrainian, or whatever they call it

    They should just give England the cup now, and we can let Scotch people briefly touch it once every three years on the special day they eat cooked meat under a roof

    Don't do this. You're spoiling things.
    For you, Kinabalu, for you
    No, you were writing the team off whilst I was behind them and calling it all spot on.

    So I can celebrate but you can't. If you do it's inauthentic and it spoils my glow - which is unfair because I've earned it.
    The truly painful thing here is that you slightly believe this, don’t you?
    It is a real issue, yes. I'm feeling bullish and vindicated - just generally very UP - but I can't be sharing joy with you if you're going to get all jingoistic. We need to agree on a lingua franca for celebrating England wins. Exuberant but with boundaries.
    You could just let everyone enjoy it their own way, and stop trying to police thoughts on here.
    Just let everything go and be a chap? That would be too easy. Couldn't live with myself if I did that. Not how I was raised.
    At least stop pretending (or imagining) you can mind read. We all know you can't.
    I can't mind read - but given written material to work with, I imagine I can do a lot. Hence why I find PB so fascinating. People really express themselves on here, often unwittingly.
    FTFY
    See, as an example, I can deduce here that I've said something to you and about you at some point that is either wide of the mark or totally spot on. That's right, isn't it?
    Wrong again.

    Stop it. You're no good at it, so you frequently make unpleasant and false accuations about people. And you do it like a smug prick.
    What, so when I called you a supercilious, noddy-brained, anti-muslim, transphobic bigot, it was neither wide of the mark nor totally spot on?
    QED
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    moonshine said:

    Suffering your first trauma with the England football team as a child is a bit like breaking up with your first love. You never fully get over it, though time’s a healer. In this case, a very long time but we got there in the end!

    That sobbing German girl in the pictures at the end is every one of us, be it 1970, 90, 96 or whenever else. You’ll be ok lass. Just not tonight.

    Three Lions, given that it was released in 1996, is lyrically inaccurate.

    1970 to 1996 is "26 years of hurt", not "30".
    28 at least.
    We lost to Brazil in 1970.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    What a bunch of wimps
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    Pulpstar said:

    Quincel said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why do footballers get so many cramps ?
    Tennis players can play 4 hour matches at Wimbledon

    How much distance does a tennis player cover in a match?

    I know plenty of footballers cover >10km per match.
    I imagine something about the type of movement is key also. Tennis players are basically flat out sprints broken up by pauses between points and games. Football has some of that but is much more jogging around the pitch too but with fewer full no breaks in movement.
    Yeah running 8 miles in 2 hours isn't particularly hard.
    I don't think footballers pay enough attention to nutrition at half time and full time tbh
    Tennis players take drinks far more frequently. Dehydration is a big issue.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    FFS we have to beat either of these teams. They're shite
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    YES!

    The worst teams wins
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    @FrancisUrquhart - another goal from a cross...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Ukraine? “Sweden”? Are these even countries, technically?

    Who the fuck speaks Swekrainian, or whatever they call it

    They should just give England the cup now, and we can let Scotch people briefly touch it once every three years on the special day they eat cooked meat under a roof

    Don't do this. You're spoiling things.
    For you, Kinabalu, for you
    No, you were writing the team off whilst I was behind them and calling it all spot on.

    So I can celebrate but you can't. If you do it's inauthentic and it spoils my glow - which is unfair because I've earned it.
    The truly painful thing here is that you slightly believe this, don’t you?
    It is a real issue, yes. I'm feeling bullish and vindicated - just generally very UP - but I can't be sharing joy with you if you're going to get all jingoistic. We need to agree on a lingua franca for celebrating England wins. Exuberant but with boundaries.
    You could just let everyone enjoy it their own way, and stop trying to police thoughts on here.
    Just let everything go and be a chap? That would be too easy. Couldn't live with myself if I did that. Not how I was raised.
    At least stop pretending (or imagining) you can mind read. We all know you can't.
    I can't mind read - but given written material to work with, I imagine I can do a lot. Hence why I find PB so fascinating. People really express themselves on here, often unwittingly.
    FTFY
    See, as an example, I can deduce here that I've said something to you and about you at some point that is either wide of the mark or totally spot on. That's right, isn't it?
    Wrong again.

    Stop it. You're no good at it, so you frequently make unpleasant and false accuations about people. And you do it like a smug prick.
    What, so when I called you a supercilious, noddy-brained, anti-muslim, transphobic bigot, it was neither wide of the mark nor totally spot on?
    QED
    I think so.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Well well well. Ukraine.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    Not much social distancing in that celebration.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Ukraine are 24th in the FIFA rankings
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sweden v Ukraine has been pretty good so far. I'm thinking that Sweden would be the tougher opponent, but I'm not sure there's much in it.

    I want Ukraine to win. They owe us a couple of own goals for sending our gunboat to emphasise their sovereignty over Crimea.....
    “us”

    I thought it was a Yookay (and a Dutch) gunboat.
    England is part of the UK. Thus "us" is perfectly reasonable for any of the home nations to use it.
    In that case, feel free to relocate “your” nuclear warheads from the Clyde to the Thames.
    Would much prefer it moved to some other English city, given London has plenty of jobs already.
    Huh? London? I was more thinking of the Medway. But your weapons for murdering women and children, so place them where you like. In your own country.
    Scots voted for Trident to remain in Scotland.

    Deal with it.
    Missed that vote. Please provide source.
    2014 - The SNP government said if Scotland voted Yes they'd begin discussions to remove Trident from Scotland.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28678102
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    The Ukraine have done it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Ukraine!
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    moonshine said:

    Suffering your first trauma with the England football team as a child is a bit like breaking up with your first love. You never fully get over it, though time’s a healer. In this case, a very long time but we got there in the end!

    That sobbing German girl in the pictures at the end is every one of us, be it 1970, 90, 96 or whenever else. You’ll be ok lass. Just not tonight.

    For me it was the injustice of the maradona handball. First realised that life could be unfair, and uefa wasn’t going to order the game replayed.
    And yet, no sport emphasises that life is unfair as much as football.
    You don't always finish a football tournament which England are in feeling cheated - but it's more common than not.
    I never feel that way seeing England crash out of the RWC or losing the Ashes. If you lose at cricket or rugby it's almost always a side matter of the other side being better. I mean, I remember England losing the final of the 2007 RWC by the width of Matt Tait's boot - but losing faith and square. But football gives so many opportunities for disappointment and bitterness.
    Yes, that is one reason that makes football such a great game. The best team doesn't always win. That unpredictability is key.
    And the curse of the England fans is that we always feel the team should do well, or even win the whole thing, but we fear that the pattern will repeat itself - a horrible combination of belief, entitlement and dread.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    Anyone want to estimate what percentage of this game has been men rolling around on the floor in pain?

    It has been a very physical game.
  • Cripes! Ukraine it is then
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    tlg86 said:

    If that is a red card for the Sweden player, then Phillips should have gone too. VAR =/= consistency.

    It was a very high kick that could have broken his leg.

    Definitely a red.
    At a certain point even if it was an accident it has to count as a red - so a bit of contact in follow through is ok, but potential leg breakers are not.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Ukraine seem like a more erratic team to play than Sweden, so it might not be easy for England.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    Really don't want Sweden out, I had a load of ABBA and Ikea related puns at the ready.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    Damn. Would have preferred Sweden. Couldn't see us losing to them in a million years. Ukraine a bit less predictable.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    Euro 2020 Betfair prices and implied probabilities:-

    1 England 3.15 31.7%
    2 Spain 4.2 23.8%
    3 Italy 5.5 18.2%
    4 Belgium 8.8 11.4%
    5 Denmark 12.5 8.0%
    6 Czechia 32 3.1%
    7 Switzerland 32 3.1%
    8 Ukraine 40 2.5%
    All quoted.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    2012: Independent Scotland would not house Trident missiles, says Alex Salmond

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/oct/21/independent-scotland-trident-alex-salmond
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    TimT said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    moonshine said:

    Suffering your first trauma with the England football team as a child is a bit like breaking up with your first love. You never fully get over it, though time’s a healer. In this case, a very long time but we got there in the end!

    That sobbing German girl in the pictures at the end is every one of us, be it 1970, 90, 96 or whenever else. You’ll be ok lass. Just not tonight.

    For me it was the injustice of the maradona handball. First realised that life could be unfair, and uefa wasn’t going to order the game replayed.
    And yet, no sport emphasises that life is unfair as much as football.
    You don't always finish a football tournament which England are in feeling cheated - but it's more common than not.
    I never feel that way seeing England crash out of the RWC or losing the Ashes. If you lose at cricket or rugby it's almost always a side matter of the other side being better. I mean, I remember England losing the final of the 2007 RWC by the width of Matt Tait's boot - but losing faith and square. But football gives so many opportunities for disappointment and bitterness.
    Yes, that is one reason that makes football such a great game. The best team doesn't always win. That unpredictability is key.
    And the curse of the England fans is that we always feel the team should do well, or even win the whole thing, but we fear that the pattern will repeat itself - a horrible combination of belief, entitlement and dread.
    England as a nation has a superiority complex - understandable, given our history - mixed with neurotic, sporadic bouts of low self-esteem

    It is the classic mindset of a high-achieving alcoholic, FWIW
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    England v. Ukraine

    It would be a Crimea to miss it!

    Could be big crowds, better hope there's no pitch invasion.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874

    England v. Ukraine

    It would be a Crimea to miss it!

    But what a disaster, as it's Russian now.......
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    The “bloated” Euro 2020 tournament continues, with third-place Switzerland knocking out the world champions; third-place Ukraine in the quarterfinals and third-place Czechia knocking out the Dutch.

    @Foxy
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    moonshine said:

    Suffering your first trauma with the England football team as a child is a bit like breaking up with your first love. You never fully get over it, though time’s a healer. In this case, a very long time but we got there in the end!

    That sobbing German girl in the pictures at the end is every one of us, be it 1970, 90, 96 or whenever else. You’ll be ok lass. Just not tonight.

    Three Lions, given that it was released in 1996, is lyrically inaccurate.

    1970 to 1996 is "26 years of hurt", not "30".
    28 at least.
    We lost to Brazil in 1970.
    We lost to Yugoslavia in 1968.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    It's going to be 27 degrees in Rome on Saturday at 8pm. Not ideal.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/3169070
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    The “bloated” Euro 2020 tournament continues, with third-place Switzerland knocking out the world champions; third-place Ukraine in the quarterfinals and third-place Czechia knocking out the Dutch.

    @Foxy

    Yes, it shows how meaningless the group matches were. Should just be considered warm up matches.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    Andy_JS said:

    Ukraine seem like a more erratic team to play than Sweden, so it might not be easy for England.

    Yes. Stolid Sweden, you could have written in the 2-0 win, but Ukraine will be harder to control.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    image

    Winning our group was definitely better than coming runner up!
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Leon said:

    TimT said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    moonshine said:

    Suffering your first trauma with the England football team as a child is a bit like breaking up with your first love. You never fully get over it, though time’s a healer. In this case, a very long time but we got there in the end!

    That sobbing German girl in the pictures at the end is every one of us, be it 1970, 90, 96 or whenever else. You’ll be ok lass. Just not tonight.

    For me it was the injustice of the maradona handball. First realised that life could be unfair, and uefa wasn’t going to order the game replayed.
    And yet, no sport emphasises that life is unfair as much as football.
    You don't always finish a football tournament which England are in feeling cheated - but it's more common than not.
    I never feel that way seeing England crash out of the RWC or losing the Ashes. If you lose at cricket or rugby it's almost always a side matter of the other side being better. I mean, I remember England losing the final of the 2007 RWC by the width of Matt Tait's boot - but losing faith and square. But football gives so many opportunities for disappointment and bitterness.
    Yes, that is one reason that makes football such a great game. The best team doesn't always win. That unpredictability is key.
    And the curse of the England fans is that we always feel the team should do well, or even win the whole thing, but we fear that the pattern will repeat itself - a horrible combination of belief, entitlement and dread.
    England as a nation has a superiority complex - understandable, given our history - mixed with neurotic, sporadic bouts of low self-esteem

    It is the classic mindset of a high-achieving alcoholic, FWIW
    When precisely did Britain lose its unquestioning confidence? Was it the 50s or 60s?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Foxy said:

    Anyone want to estimate what percentage of this game has been men rolling around on the floor in pain?

    It has been a very physical game.
    However,compare and contrast the writhing around after the lightest of touches, with Alun Wyn Jones who dislocated and reset his shoulder, which cost him his Lions tour and captaincy, against Japan in Murrayfield, and he barely flinched.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    moonshine said:

    Suffering your first trauma with the England football team as a child is a bit like breaking up with your first love. You never fully get over it, though time’s a healer. In this case, a very long time but we got there in the end!

    That sobbing German girl in the pictures at the end is every one of us, be it 1970, 90, 96 or whenever else. You’ll be ok lass. Just not tonight.

    Three Lions, given that it was released in 1996, is lyrically inaccurate.

    1970 to 1996 is "26 years of hurt", not "30".
    28 at least.
    We lost to Brazil in 1970.
    We lost to Yugoslavia in 1968.
    That wasn't for Jules Rimet!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191

    Euro 2020 Betfair prices and implied probabilities:-

    1 England 3.15 31.7%
    2 Spain 4.2 23.8%
    3 Italy 5.5 18.2%
    4 Belgium 8.8 11.4%
    5 Denmark 12.5 8.0%
    6 Czechia 32 3.1%
    7 Switzerland 32 3.1%
    8 Ukraine 40 2.5%
    All quoted.

    Italy likely have to beat Belgium, Spain and England.
    Should they really be 9-2 for all that ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ukraine seem like a more erratic team to play than Sweden, so it might not be easy for England.

    Yes. Stolid Sweden, you could have written in the 2-0 win, but Ukraine will be harder to control.
    If we can't beat Ukraine, FFS, we don't deserve to go anywhere. We are a far superior team
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    moonshine said:

    Suffering your first trauma with the England football team as a child is a bit like breaking up with your first love. You never fully get over it, though time’s a healer. In this case, a very long time but we got there in the end!

    That sobbing German girl in the pictures at the end is every one of us, be it 1970, 90, 96 or whenever else. You’ll be ok lass. Just not tonight.

    Three Lions, given that it was released in 1996, is lyrically inaccurate.

    1970 to 1996 is "26 years of hurt", not "30".
    28 at least.
    We lost to Brazil in 1970.
    We lost to Yugoslavia in 1968.
    That wasn't for Jules Rimet!
    Neither was Euro 96 though!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    TimT said:

    Leon said:

    TimT said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    moonshine said:

    Suffering your first trauma with the England football team as a child is a bit like breaking up with your first love. You never fully get over it, though time’s a healer. In this case, a very long time but we got there in the end!

    That sobbing German girl in the pictures at the end is every one of us, be it 1970, 90, 96 or whenever else. You’ll be ok lass. Just not tonight.

    For me it was the injustice of the maradona handball. First realised that life could be unfair, and uefa wasn’t going to order the game replayed.
    And yet, no sport emphasises that life is unfair as much as football.
    You don't always finish a football tournament which England are in feeling cheated - but it's more common than not.
    I never feel that way seeing England crash out of the RWC or losing the Ashes. If you lose at cricket or rugby it's almost always a side matter of the other side being better. I mean, I remember England losing the final of the 2007 RWC by the width of Matt Tait's boot - but losing faith and square. But football gives so many opportunities for disappointment and bitterness.
    Yes, that is one reason that makes football such a great game. The best team doesn't always win. That unpredictability is key.
    And the curse of the England fans is that we always feel the team should do well, or even win the whole thing, but we fear that the pattern will repeat itself - a horrible combination of belief, entitlement and dread.
    England as a nation has a superiority complex - understandable, given our history - mixed with neurotic, sporadic bouts of low self-esteem

    It is the classic mindset of a high-achieving alcoholic, FWIW
    When precisely did Britain lose its unquestioning confidence? Was it the 50s or 60s?
    The surrender of Singapore. The death knell of the Empire.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042

    Really don't want Sweden out, I had a load of ABBA and Ikea related puns at the ready.

    As Ukraine have shown, the winner takes it all.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    Oh my God. We might even do this.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    Quincel said:

    Really don't want Sweden out, I had a load of ABBA and Ikea related puns at the ready.

    As Ukraine have shown, the winner takes it all.
    Yes, when all is said and done.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    England now favourites
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    TimT said:

    Leon said:

    TimT said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    moonshine said:

    Suffering your first trauma with the England football team as a child is a bit like breaking up with your first love. You never fully get over it, though time’s a healer. In this case, a very long time but we got there in the end!

    That sobbing German girl in the pictures at the end is every one of us, be it 1970, 90, 96 or whenever else. You’ll be ok lass. Just not tonight.

    For me it was the injustice of the maradona handball. First realised that life could be unfair, and uefa wasn’t going to order the game replayed.
    And yet, no sport emphasises that life is unfair as much as football.
    You don't always finish a football tournament which England are in feeling cheated - but it's more common than not.
    I never feel that way seeing England crash out of the RWC or losing the Ashes. If you lose at cricket or rugby it's almost always a side matter of the other side being better. I mean, I remember England losing the final of the 2007 RWC by the width of Matt Tait's boot - but losing faith and square. But football gives so many opportunities for disappointment and bitterness.
    Yes, that is one reason that makes football such a great game. The best team doesn't always win. That unpredictability is key.
    And the curse of the England fans is that we always feel the team should do well, or even win the whole thing, but we fear that the pattern will repeat itself - a horrible combination of belief, entitlement and dread.
    England as a nation has a superiority complex - understandable, given our history - mixed with neurotic, sporadic bouts of low self-esteem

    It is the classic mindset of a high-achieving alcoholic, FWIW
    When precisely did Britain lose its unquestioning confidence? Was it the 50s or 60s?
    14 July 1966.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Carmarthen_by-election
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Ukraine!

    If you want to. The lady is not for kraining.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    Quincel said:

    Really don't want Sweden out, I had a load of ABBA and Ikea related puns at the ready.

    As Ukraine have shown, the winner takes it all.
    My my.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,995

    England now favourites

    Idiots and their money easily parted....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    edited June 2021
    TimT said:

    Leon said:

    TimT said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    moonshine said:

    Suffering your first trauma with the England football team as a child is a bit like breaking up with your first love. You never fully get over it, though time’s a healer. In this case, a very long time but we got there in the end!

    That sobbing German girl in the pictures at the end is every one of us, be it 1970, 90, 96 or whenever else. You’ll be ok lass. Just not tonight.

    For me it was the injustice of the maradona handball. First realised that life could be unfair, and uefa wasn’t going to order the game replayed.
    And yet, no sport emphasises that life is unfair as much as football.
    You don't always finish a football tournament which England are in feeling cheated - but it's more common than not.
    I never feel that way seeing England crash out of the RWC or losing the Ashes. If you lose at cricket or rugby it's almost always a side matter of the other side being better. I mean, I remember England losing the final of the 2007 RWC by the width of Matt Tait's boot - but losing faith and square. But football gives so many opportunities for disappointment and bitterness.
    Yes, that is one reason that makes football such a great game. The best team doesn't always win. That unpredictability is key.
    And the curse of the England fans is that we always feel the team should do well, or even win the whole thing, but we fear that the pattern will repeat itself - a horrible combination of belief, entitlement and dread.
    England as a nation has a superiority complex - understandable, given our history - mixed with neurotic, sporadic bouts of low self-esteem

    It is the classic mindset of a high-achieving alcoholic, FWIW
    When precisely did Britain lose its unquestioning confidence? Was it the 50s or 60s?
    Bah, I have oodles of unquestioning confidence.

    Except when Liverpool play, then my nerves are shredded.

    I can't believe I spend so much money following Liverpool all over Europe just to feel sick to my stomach.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    England now favourites

    Idiots and their money easily parted....
    They’re probably shorter than they should be, but given the draw it is understandable that they are favourites.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    I'm hoping Ukraine have a meltdown on Saturday.

    Or is that just a bit too tactless?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    image

    Winning our group was definitely better than coming runner up!

    As I kept telling everyone on here.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557

    TimT said:

    Leon said:

    TimT said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    moonshine said:

    Suffering your first trauma with the England football team as a child is a bit like breaking up with your first love. You never fully get over it, though time’s a healer. In this case, a very long time but we got there in the end!

    That sobbing German girl in the pictures at the end is every one of us, be it 1970, 90, 96 or whenever else. You’ll be ok lass. Just not tonight.

    For me it was the injustice of the maradona handball. First realised that life could be unfair, and uefa wasn’t going to order the game replayed.
    And yet, no sport emphasises that life is unfair as much as football.
    You don't always finish a football tournament which England are in feeling cheated - but it's more common than not.
    I never feel that way seeing England crash out of the RWC or losing the Ashes. If you lose at cricket or rugby it's almost always a side matter of the other side being better. I mean, I remember England losing the final of the 2007 RWC by the width of Matt Tait's boot - but losing faith and square. But football gives so many opportunities for disappointment and bitterness.
    Yes, that is one reason that makes football such a great game. The best team doesn't always win. That unpredictability is key.
    And the curse of the England fans is that we always feel the team should do well, or even win the whole thing, but we fear that the pattern will repeat itself - a horrible combination of belief, entitlement and dread.
    England as a nation has a superiority complex - understandable, given our history - mixed with neurotic, sporadic bouts of low self-esteem

    It is the classic mindset of a high-achieving alcoholic, FWIW
    When precisely did Britain lose its unquestioning confidence? Was it the 50s or 60s?
    14 July 1966.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Carmarthen_by-election
    Interesting that this election took place just 14 days before England won the world cup final. I wonder whether the result might have been different if it had been held afterwards. I know the election was in Wales but the world cup final result might still have affected it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402

    Foxy said:

    Anyone want to estimate what percentage of this game has been men rolling around on the floor in pain?

    It has been a very physical game.
    However,compare and contrast the writhing around after the lightest of touches, with Alun Wyn Jones who dislocated and reset his shoulder, which cost him his Lions tour and captaincy, against Japan in Murrayfield, and he barely flinched.
    Marc Soler finished the Tour stage with both arms broken two days ago.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    Mail focussing on Prince William being there and clapping.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    I'm hoping Ukraine have a meltdown on Saturday.

    Or is that just a bit too tactless?

    They might steppe up to the challenge.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    tlg86 said:

    Sweden v Ukraine has been pretty good so far. I'm thinking that Sweden would be the tougher opponent, but I'm not sure there's much in it.

    I want Ukraine to win. They owe us a couple of own goals for sending our gunboat to emphasise their sovereignty over Crimea.....
    “us”

    I thought it was a Yookay (and a Dutch) gunboat.
    Didn't think the Scots wanted the upkeep of them...? 😉
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,803
    tlg86 said:

    image

    Winning our group was definitely better than coming runner up!

    As I kept telling everyone on here.
    It was just the mental block of having to get past Germany. I'm still not sure whether it happened and any minute UEFA will put out a press release saying there needs to be a replay in Munich but because English people can't travel to Germany we're disqualified.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402

    Mail focussing on Prince William being there and clapping.

    Why the heck can't Prince George be allowed to dress like a child?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Foxy said:

    The “bloated” Euro 2020 tournament continues, with third-place Switzerland knocking out the world champions; third-place Ukraine in the quarterfinals and third-place Czechia knocking out the Dutch.

    @Foxy

    Yes, it shows how meaningless the group matches were. Should just be considered warm up matches.
    LOL.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    TimT said:

    Leon said:

    TimT said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    moonshine said:

    Suffering your first trauma with the England football team as a child is a bit like breaking up with your first love. You never fully get over it, though time’s a healer. In this case, a very long time but we got there in the end!

    That sobbing German girl in the pictures at the end is every one of us, be it 1970, 90, 96 or whenever else. You’ll be ok lass. Just not tonight.

    For me it was the injustice of the maradona handball. First realised that life could be unfair, and uefa wasn’t going to order the game replayed.
    And yet, no sport emphasises that life is unfair as much as football.
    You don't always finish a football tournament which England are in feeling cheated - but it's more common than not.
    I never feel that way seeing England crash out of the RWC or losing the Ashes. If you lose at cricket or rugby it's almost always a side matter of the other side being better. I mean, I remember England losing the final of the 2007 RWC by the width of Matt Tait's boot - but losing faith and square. But football gives so many opportunities for disappointment and bitterness.
    Yes, that is one reason that makes football such a great game. The best team doesn't always win. That unpredictability is key.
    And the curse of the England fans is that we always feel the team should do well, or even win the whole thing, but we fear that the pattern will repeat itself - a horrible combination of belief, entitlement and dread.
    England as a nation has a superiority complex - understandable, given our history - mixed with neurotic, sporadic bouts of low self-esteem

    It is the classic mindset of a high-achieving alcoholic, FWIW
    When precisely did Britain lose its unquestioning confidence? Was it the 50s or 60s?
    Bah, I have oodles of unquestioning confidence.

    Except when Liverpool play, then my nerves are shredded.

    I can't believe I spend so much money following Liverpool all over Europe just to feel sick to my stomach.
    Try following the Baggies (at least we only disappoint on home soil).
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    dixiedean said:

    Mail focussing on Prince William being there and clapping.

    Why the heck can't Prince George be allowed to dress like a child?
    Yes, I thought that was a bit odd and rather sad. Blazer, shirt and tie for the little chap.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Andy_JS said:

    It's going to be 27 degrees in Rome on Saturday at 8pm. Not ideal.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/3169070

    Will certainly suit them more than us. It will at least be dusk by then so no direct sunshine. But you are right that it’s a factor.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Anyone want to estimate what percentage of this game has been men rolling around on the floor in pain?

    It has been a very physical game.
    However,compare and contrast the writhing around after the lightest of touches, with Alun Wyn Jones who dislocated and reset his shoulder, which cost him his Lions tour and captaincy, against Japan in Murrayfield, and he barely flinched.
    Marc Soler finished the Tour stage with both arms broken two days ago.
    And Geraint Thomas had his dislocated shoulder popped in by the doctor yesterday, on the tarmac, and then finished the race.

    https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/tour-de-france-2021-geraint-thomas-minimises-losses-after-dislocating-shoulder-on-stage-three
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