NEW: Number of people hospitalized with COVID-19 in Moscow reaches record-high, deputy mayor says. Exact figure not disclosed - TASS
Is that a reflection on their vaccine programme or their vaccine?
Very few are vaccinated in Russia. Technically their vaccine is fine, but there have been reports that the QA has been poor from some Eastern European countries who bought it.
There is also an issue of trust in the Government of Russia, by it's citizens
My Russia mole reckoned another factor is that the place is really, really big, with a handful of modern cities and an awful lot of nothing and nowheresville in between.
I assumed the relatively low vaccination rate in Russia at the moment was at least impart down to exporting a lot of there Vaccines, to make money and or friends. but could be wrong.
My mole got his jab(s?) at a walk-in vaccination centre in Moscow. It sounds like a demand problem in cities and possibly a supply problem in the sticks. I've not really looked into it but am just passing on observations from someone who was there.
My gut instinct here is that Hancock will stay. People accept the mafia rule that we have because they get things done and there is no alternative. Johnson will just try and weather the storm. The MP's can try and rebel and suffer the same fate as the brexit rebels. Nicola Sturgeon was caught without a mask at a funeral and sat out the furore.
I think you are right, Johnson had a chose to make first thing this morning, sack him then and look decisive (if vishuse) or let it blow over, if he sacs him now, then Johnson looks week, looks like he is 'giving in' to labour demands.
If Johnson sacks him 'for' the having an affair he will look so hypocritical its silly.
If Johnson sacks him for being rubbish at his job, then that implies the whole response to the pandemic has been rubbish.
If he sacks him for braking social distancing, it also sets a president, n what if a phot emerges of another cabinet minister shaking hands at a meeting, or hugging there mother at a funeral?
Unfortunately, nothing in East London. This is outrageous - the queues last weekend at Stratford suggested there was plenty of demand yet this weekend there's nothing over my side of town.
100,000 adults over 30 in Newham have yet to be vaccinated - irrespective of whether they have been "invited" or not, it seems the NHS, Government and the Councils are just giving up on them.
My two pop-ups are in the London Borough of Redbridge which is Newham-adjacent. They are not on the Standard's list (unless they were behind a pop-up advert).
Redbridge is doing rather better than Newham.
150,500 adults over 30 with first vaccinations out of a population estimated by NIMS at 214,320.
When Wales beats Denmark tomorrow, and England lose to Germany, with Kane misfiring again, on Tuesday the narrative will be football and then the B&S election will make the headlines
Hancock may get away it it but that does not excuse the fact he should have resigned/ been sacked
Blimey. There’s optimism for you.
The is issue is, if you fired every dodgy minister in Johnson’s government, there would hardly be anyone left. Possibly Sunak, Wallace, Hart, and perhaps Buckland and Truss on a good day. Even among the junior ministers there would be carnage.
Typical arrogance of the Welsh.
It is why Welsh rugby fans are hated across the world.
Is there another example of arrogant sports fans being hated across the world?
*entirely un-innocent face*
Scottish fans.
Before my time but I believe at the 1978 World Cup Scotland's manager said they'd be coming home with a medal.
Sevco fans are known for their arrogance I believe.
As a fan of the English association football & rugby football union teams and Liverpool FC, we are synonymous with legendary humility.
Scottish football fans hated across the world, good one!
You could say Sevco fans are the only truly British football fan..
Scotland football fans have earwormed me with 'Yes Sir I Can Boogie' which means they are currently hated by me.
Anyone watching Ch4 News would bet the house on Hancock going. Probably tonight. It's a firing squad
The problem is *if* Johnson has a similar skeleton in a similarly socially undistanced cupboard, and should it come to light, he would surely be obliged to go too. And Johnson being Johnson, that is not beyond the realms of probability.
My gut instinct here is that Hancock will stay. People accept the mafia rule that we have because they get things done and there is no alternative. Johnson will just try and weather the storm. The MP's can try and rebel and suffer the same fate as the brexit rebels. Nicola Sturgeon was caught without a mask at a funeral and sat out the furore.
I think you are right, Johnson had a chose to make first thing this morning, sack him then and look decisive (if vishuse) or let it blow over, if he sacs him now, then Johnson looks week, looks like he is 'giving in' to labour demands.
If Johnson sacks him 'for' the having an affair he will look so hypocritical its silly.
If Johnson sacks him for being rubbish at his job, then that implies the whole response to the pandemic has been rubbish.
If he sacks him for braking social distancing, it also sets a president, n what if a phot emerges of another cabinet minister shaking hands at a meeting, or hugging there mother at a funeral?
I don't think he will go, not this week.
I agree, he’s safe for today/this weekend.
The press won’t give up, though.
I expect he’ll make it through to a fairly imminent full/partial reshuffle.
It’s overdue.
Btw, Truss’s performance today was laughable. She came out to bat for him before being directly contradicted by Hancock.
Smarter, ambitious Tory MP’s have long figured out the game. Don’t go into bat for this lot, you’ll only end up looking like an arse.
Despite significant push-back because of Delta in the UK, Guernsey is fully opening its border to the CTA fully vaccinated (two doses + 14 days) from July 1 with no testing on arrival or quarantine requirements.
The singly or un-vaccinated will still require testing/quarantine until negative, plus follow up.
Expectation is that infections will rise, but because the vulnerable are now vaccinated and those who are not will not get seriously ill, the (only) hospital will cope and we're just going to have to learn to live with this thing.
To note there are NO NPI's in place (face masks, social distancing, logging in to venues, attendance size limitations) - they have all been comletely at the border since March.
If Boris sacked him today, would be done and dusted by Monday. Instead the media will drag it out for weeks.
However Johnson's claim on Wednesday that Labour are jabbering whilst the Conservatives are jabbing should be rammed down the public's throat this weekend. If the Government does that Hancock's tryst will go away, and Galloway has already won B and S for his boy Johnson, so moving on...
Yes, Galloway is coming across as a Tory glove puppet.
More a glove-puppet of the left. The Tories really don't care about B&S in the big scheme of things. The main idea is that Starmer is undermined again.
Should B&S go Tory though I've no doubt it'll get a little light shone on its causes.
Galloway is an ogre , but - if Labour lose B&S -Starmer will still rightly be blamed for having held the by election at this time.
Btw, what is with the whole 'its the timing' developing as something to blame. When exactly was possible and better? Genuinely, I don't know how this argument is being constructed.
Scheduling it 10 days after unlockdown failed to happen, which was already becoming foreseeable, didn't seem like such a terrible idea to me. I suspect a bit of Captain Hindsightery is being deployed against SKS here.
My gut instinct here is that Hancock will stay. People accept the mafia rule that we have because they get things done and there is no alternative. Johnson will just try and weather the storm. The MP's can try and rebel and suffer the same fate as the brexit rebels. Nicola Sturgeon was caught without a mask at a funeral and sat out the furore.
I think you are right, Johnson had a chose to make first thing this morning, sack him then and look decisive (if vishuse) or let it blow over, if he sacs him now, then Johnson looks week, looks like he is 'giving in' to labour demands.
If Johnson sacks him 'for' the having an affair he will look so hypocritical its silly.
If Johnson sacks him for being rubbish at his job, then that implies the whole response to the pandemic has been rubbish.
If he sacks him for braking social distancing, it also sets a president, n what if a phot emerges of another cabinet minister shaking hands at a meeting, or hugging there mother at a funeral?
I don't think he will go, not this week.
I agree, he’s safe for today/this weekend.
The press won’t give up, though.
I expect he’ll make it through to a fairly imminent full/partial reshuffle.
It’s overdue.
If we are lucky, perhaps they will fully open England on the 5 July, at which point he can say, he sore the pandemic though to the end, declare themselves successful and then shortly after announce he needs to take some time off work, to spend with his own family and rest.
Unfortunately, nothing in East London. This is outrageous - the queues last weekend at Stratford suggested there was plenty of demand yet this weekend there's nothing over my side of town.
100,000 adults over 30 in Newham have yet to be vaccinated - irrespective of whether they have been "invited" or not, it seems the NHS, Government and the Councils are just giving up on them.
My two pop-ups are in the London Borough of Redbridge which is Newham-adjacent. They are not on the Standard's list (unless they were behind a pop-up advert).
Redbridge is doing rather better than Newham.
150,500 adults over 30 with first vaccinations out of a population estimated by NIMS at 214,320.
Just wondering for anybody with access to NIMS data, what are the latest % of the youngest age groups have had the first jab?
Despite significant push-back because of Delta in the UK, Guernsey is fully opening its border to the CTA fully vaccinated (two doses + 14 days) from July 1 with no testing on arrival or quarantine requirements.
The singly or un-vaccinated will still require testing/quarantine until negative, plus follow up.
Expectation is that infections will rise, but because the vulnerable are now vaccinated and those who are not will not get seriously ill, the (only) hospital will cope and we're just going to have to learn to live with this thing.
To note there are NO NPI's in place (face masks, social distancing, logging in to venues, attendance size limitations) - they have all been comletely at the border since March.
Unfortunately, nothing in East London. This is outrageous - the queues last weekend at Stratford suggested there was plenty of demand yet this weekend there's nothing over my side of town.
100,000 adults over 30 in Newham have yet to be vaccinated - irrespective of whether they have been "invited" or not, it seems the NHS, Government and the Councils are just giving up on them.
My two pop-ups are in the London Borough of Redbridge which is Newham-adjacent. They are not on the Standard's list (unless they were behind a pop-up advert).
Redbridge is doing rather better than Newham.
150,500 adults over 30 with first vaccinations out of a population estimated by NIMS at 214,320.
Just wondering for anybody with access to NIMS data, what are the latest % of the youngest age groups have had the first jab?
18-19 20-24 25-29
For England, the 25-29 figures as follows:
Number of first vaccinations - 2,005,617 Estimated population: 4,415,064
Precedent? Why is Hancock's paramour different from any that Boris had in office?
The reaction to these things is always far too OTT . Shagger Hancock.is likely to survive. Remind me where the Tories are in the polls and what the effect of Mandleson resigning twice......
My gut instinct here is that Hancock will stay. People accept the mafia rule that we have because they get things done and there is no alternative. Johnson will just try and weather the storm. The MP's can try and rebel and suffer the same fate as the brexit rebels. Nicola Sturgeon was caught without a mask at a funeral and sat out the furore.
I think you are right, Johnson had a chose to make first thing this morning, sack him then and look decisive (if vishuse) or let it blow over, if he sacs him now, then Johnson looks week, looks like he is 'giving in' to labour demands.
If Johnson sacks him 'for' the having an affair he will look so hypocritical its silly.
If Johnson sacks him for being rubbish at his job, then that implies the whole response to the pandemic has been rubbish.
If he sacks him for braking social distancing, it also sets a president, n what if a phot emerges of another cabinet minister shaking hands at a meeting, or hugging there mother at a funeral?
I don't think he will go, not this week.
I agree, he’s safe for today/this weekend.
The press won’t give up, though.
I expect he’ll make it through to a fairly imminent full/partial reshuffle.
It’s overdue.
Btw, Truss’s performance today was laughable. She came out to bat for him before being directly contradicted by Hancock.
Smarter, ambitious Tory MP’s have long figured out the game. Don’t go into bat for this lot, you’ll only end up looking like an arse.
Wasn't that the complaint about David Cameron? Loyal backbenchers and even ministers would go on the airwaves to support some controversial proposal, only to have the rug pulled out from under them once Number 10 saw the focus group results.
Precedent? Why is Hancock's paramour different from any that Boris had in office?
The reaction to these things is always far too OTT . Shagger Hancock.is likely to survive. Remind me where the Tories are in the polls and what the effect of Mandleson resigning twice......
...and remember how vociferous.. inc me... the P B Tories ... were about it...
When Wales beats Denmark tomorrow, and England lose to Germany, with Kane misfiring again, on Tuesday the narrative will be football and then the B&S election will make the headlines
Hancock may get away it it but that does not excuse the fact he should have resigned/ been sacked
Blimey. There’s optimism for you.
The is issue is, if you fired every dodgy minister in Johnson’s government, there would hardly be anyone left. Possibly Sunak, Wallace, Hart, and perhaps Buckland and Truss on a good day. Even among the junior ministers there would be carnage.
Typical arrogance of the Welsh.
It is why Welsh rugby fans are hated across the world.
Is there another example of arrogant sports fans being hated across the world?
*entirely un-innocent face*
Scottish fans.
Before my time but I believe at the 1978 World Cup Scotland's manager said they'd be coming home with a medal.
Sevco fans are known for their arrogance I believe.
As a fan of the English association football & rugby football union teams and Liverpool FC, we are synonymous with legendary humility.
Scottish football fans hated across the world, good one!
You could say Sevco fans are the only truly British football fan..
Scotland football fans have earwormed me with 'Yes Sir I Can Boogie' which means they are currently hated by me.
Despite significant push-back because of Delta in the UK, Guernsey is fully opening its border to the CTA fully vaccinated (two doses + 14 days) from July 1 with no testing on arrival or quarantine requirements.
The singly or un-vaccinated will still require testing/quarantine until negative, plus follow up.
Expectation is that infections will rise, but because the vulnerable are now vaccinated and those who are not will not get seriously ill, the (only) hospital will cope and we're just going to have to learn to live with this thing.
To note there are NO NPI's in place (face masks, social distancing, logging in to venues, attendance size limitations) - they have all been comletely at the border since March.
Wish us luck!
I'm sure it will be fine, but good luck anyway.
We should be doing the same here.
The push back was "wait another 4 weeks" - but what they're concerned about is this winter's flu outbreak - we didn't have one last winter - so we don't know what to expect this, and people are going to get sick & die of COVID and flu - and are currently suffering because of the travel restrictions.
Interestingly for the first time in this pandemic the Medics/epidemiologists were unanimous in recommending the course of action the politicians agreed to.
Unfortunately, nothing in East London. This is outrageous - the queues last weekend at Stratford suggested there was plenty of demand yet this weekend there's nothing over my side of town.
100,000 adults over 30 in Newham have yet to be vaccinated - irrespective of whether they have been "invited" or not, it seems the NHS, Government and the Councils are just giving up on them.
My two pop-ups are in the London Borough of Redbridge which is Newham-adjacent. They are not on the Standard's list (unless they were behind a pop-up advert).
Redbridge is doing rather better than Newham.
150,500 adults over 30 with first vaccinations out of a population estimated by NIMS at 214,320.
Just wondering for anybody with access to NIMS data, what are the latest % of the youngest age groups have had the first jab?
18-19 20-24 25-29
For England, the 25-29 figures as follows:
Number of first vaccinations - 2,005,617 Estimated population: 4,415,064
That's 45.3%.
Thanks, bit worryingly low, but I suppose they are still doing the age group.
Unfortunately, nothing in East London. This is outrageous - the queues last weekend at Stratford suggested there was plenty of demand yet this weekend there's nothing over my side of town.
100,000 adults over 30 in Newham have yet to be vaccinated - irrespective of whether they have been "invited" or not, it seems the NHS, Government and the Councils are just giving up on them.
My two pop-ups are in the London Borough of Redbridge which is Newham-adjacent. They are not on the Standard's list (unless they were behind a pop-up advert).
Redbridge is doing rather better than Newham.
150,500 adults over 30 with first vaccinations out of a population estimated by NIMS at 214,320.
Just wondering for anybody with access to NIMS data, what are the latest % of the youngest age groups have had the first jab?
18-19 20-24 25-29
For England, the 25-29 figures as follows:
Number of first vaccinations - 2,005,617 Estimated population: 4,415,064
That's 45.3%.
Thanks, bit worryingly low, but I suppose they are still doing the age group.
Unsurprising enthusiasm wains when the personal risk is so negligible, and the government doesn't hold up its end of the bargain on unlocking.
Adam Brooks @EssexPR · 39m Hancock’s mistresses brother got Government contracts… My god it gets worse.
#SackHancock
Hancock's own sister's company got a contract. A company in which Matt Hancock himself is a shareholder. But don't worry. The government has already investigated and cleared Hancock.
The potential for corruption in awarding no-bid contracts, as well as employing mates as non-executive directors to get round the SpAd rules (themselves not very arduous) might one day bring the government down, though it's more likely to be a 4-page centrefold special in Private Eye before everyone moves on.
Wasn't his sister's company in Wales where the NHS is run by that living God Mark Drakeford, as PBers know everything he does is brilliant.
And they do document shredding - hardly under the influence of a health secretary. That was nonsense - today he should resign. Firstly he is having an affair with his aide - completely inappropriate and unacceptable. Against the ministerial code. And he has not followed the guidance where we rely on each other for it to succeed. I don't think he is as useless as some on here but he is hardly worth keeping. He should have been called forth and despatched first thing this morning before anyone else had the chance to call for his resignation.
Any good CEO works hard to keep his non-executives on side…
Anyone watching Ch4 News would bet the house on Hancock going. Probably tonight. It's a firing squad
The problem is *if* Johnson has a similar skeleton in a similarly socially undistanced cupboard, and should it come to light, he would surely be obliged to go too. And Johnson being Johnson, that is not beyond the realms of probability.
Can I hear the sound of distant violins?
I'd be surprised is Boris hasn't been cheating on Carrie.
Precedent? Why is Hancock's paramour different from any that Boris had in office?
The reaction to these things is always far too OTT . Shagger Hancock.is likely to survive. Remind me where the Tories are in the polls and what the effect of Mandleson resigning twice......
Of course, Hancock will survive.
It is remarkable that so many on pb.com have been so completely faithful in all their relationships, and so scrupulous in maintaining social distancing, that we can round up such a large posse of solid pb-ers to lynch Hancock.
(I defended Margaret Ferrier & Dominic Cummings as well).
I've spent far too much time and money in the Oliver Bonas in Manchester Piccadilly railway station.
Killing time while waiting for a train I can understand but buying what exactly?
Dresses and body glitter mostly.
I had a wife and girlfriend (not concurrently) who love shopping in there, and it was a case 'If you're there get me X and anything you think looks good on me.
What would have happened if you came back with nothing, and simply ‘that’s what you look best in?’
I'm not sure "doing rUK a favour" was what Sturgeon had in mind....
Scotland is now the UK's Covid hotspot and the proportion of the population with the virus is double the rate in England and four times higher than Wales.
Yet Scotland is the only part of the UK to currently have travel restrictions on another part.
Anyone watching Ch4 News would bet the house on Hancock going. Probably tonight. It's a firing squad
The problem is *if* Johnson has a similar skeleton in a similarly socially undistanced cupboard, and should it come to light, he would surely be obliged to go too. And Johnson being Johnson, that is not beyond the realms of probability.
Can I hear the sound of distant violins?
Aaah Rogerdamus confirms that he is going to.stay...
Precedent? Why is Hancock's paramour different from any that Boris had in office?
The reaction to these things is always far too OTT . Shagger Hancock.is likely to survive. Remind me where the Tories are in the polls and what the effect of Mandleson resigning twice......
Of course, Hancock will survive.
It is remarkable that so many on pb.com have been so completely faithful in all their relationships, and so scrupulous in maintaining social distancing, that we can round up such a large posse of solid pb-ers to lynch Hancock.
(I defended Margaret Ferrier & Dominic Cummings as well).
Most of us, you'll note, have been neither setting the rules nor encouraging others to follow them, with menaces. Most of us are currently chafing under rules which are at best seriously inconveniencing us, but largely doing what we're told anyway. Most of us weren't responsible for sitting on data that could have freed us last week.
I had some small sympathy for Dom. I have none whatsoever for Hancock.
Anyone watching Ch4 News would bet the house on Hancock going. Probably tonight. It's a firing squad
The problem is *if* Johnson has a similar skeleton in a similarly socially undistanced cupboard, and should it come to light, he would surely be obliged to go too. And Johnson being Johnson, that is not beyond the realms of probability.
Can I hear the sound of distant violins?
I'd be surprised is Boris hasn't been cheating on Carrie.
I know someone who cheated on the day of his wedding with the brides best female...friend... nothing is impossible..
I am pleased to report that tales of my demise are somewhat exaggerated. I took the advice on here last night and called 999. I spent a somewhat uncomfortable night but feel somewhat better today. Still waiting for a scan but it looks like a blood clot. Thanks very much for the concern, it was much appreciated.
My gut instinct here is that Hancock will stay. People accept the mafia rule that we have because they get things done and there is no alternative. Johnson will just try and weather the storm. The MP's can try and rebel and suffer the same fate as the brexit rebels. Nicola Sturgeon was caught without a mask at a funeral and sat out the furore.
I think you are right, Johnson had a chose to make first thing this morning, sack him then and look decisive (if vishuse) or let it blow over, if he sacs him now, then Johnson looks week, looks like he is 'giving in' to labour demands.
If Johnson sacks him 'for' the having an affair he will look so hypocritical its silly.
If Johnson sacks him for being rubbish at his job, then that implies the whole response to the pandemic has been rubbish.
If he sacks him for braking social distancing, it also sets a president, n what if a phot emerges of another cabinet minister shaking hands at a meeting, or hugging there mother at a funeral?
I don't think he will go, not this week.
I agree, he’s safe for today/this weekend.
The press won’t give up, though.
I expect he’ll make it through to a fairly imminent full/partial reshuffle.
It’s overdue.
Btw, Truss’s performance today was laughable. She came out to bat for him before being directly contradicted by Hancock.
Smarter, ambitious Tory MP’s have long figured out the game. Don’t go into bat for this lot, you’ll only end up looking like an arse.
But that's part of the game, I reckon.
First, keeping ministers on when the really should resign is now part of the game. It's a good way to remind the plebs that Bozza is World God. Don't like it? Well, you can always vote for (stifled giggle)... Starmer... in (guffaw) 2024!
Second, humiliation of ministers is a long-established part of the game. Ambitious politicians have always gone into bat to defend the indefensible to earn Brownie Points with the boss. This boss gives them so many opportunities to do that, and clearly values personal loyalty above all.
And as long as Conservative-inclined voters cluck and mutter but continue to vote for this shower, Johnson and co will continue doing it.
Anyone watching Ch4 News would bet the house on Hancock going. Probably tonight. It's a firing squad
The problem is *if* Johnson has a similar skeleton in a similarly socially undistanced cupboard, and should it come to light, he would surely be obliged to go too. And Johnson being Johnson, that is not beyond the realms of probability.
Can I hear the sound of distant violins?
I'd be surprised is Boris hasn't been cheating on Carrie.
I know someone who cheated on the day of his wedding with the brides best female...friend... nothing is impossible..
If Boris sacked him today, would be done and dusted by Monday. Instead the media will drag it out for weeks.
However Johnson's claim on Wednesday that Labour are jabbering whilst the Conservatives are jabbing should be rammed down the public's throat this weekend. If the Government does that Hancock's tryst will go away, and Galloway has already won B and S for his boy Johnson, so moving on...
Yes, Galloway is coming across as a Tory glove puppet.
More a glove-puppet of the left. The Tories really don't care about B&S in the big scheme of things. The main idea is that Starmer is undermined again.
Should B&S go Tory though I've no doubt it'll get a little light shone on its causes.
Galloway is an ogre , but - if Labour lose B&S -Starmer will still rightly be blamed for having held the by election at this time.
Btw, what is with the whole 'its the timing' developing as something to blame. When exactly was possible and better? Genuinely, I don't know how this argument is being constructed.
Scheduling it 10 days after unlockdown failed to happen, which was already becoming foreseeable, didn't seem like such a terrible idea to me. I suspect a bit of Captain Hindsightery is being deployed against SKS here.
Not at all. Following the self-inflicted wound he inflicted on his party at Hartlepool, Starmer should have delayed B&S until early October - by which time Johnson's vaccine bounce is likely to have faded in the context of some return to normal party politics. I made this point when the writ was moved - soo little hindsight is involved
Delta has now got to Israel, No surprise there it was going to eventually
It is spreading, No surprise, as it has toped out at about 63% of population vaccinated,
Allegedly, half of all new positive tests are in people vaccinated, That's a surprise and bad is accurate.
I say allegedly, because exact numbers are not given. and it doesn't mesh with other data, so may be some hyperbaly or exaggeration but still worrying.
Do we need to panic about Israel? not yet, its still small numbers, and the vaccine probably means the cases will be less severe.
What is Israel doing? they have reimpose some restrictions and are have started vaccinating children down to 12
Delta has now got to Israel, No surprise there it was going to eventually
It is spreading, No surprise, as it has toped out at about 63% of population vaccinated,
Allegedly, half of all new positive tests are in people vaccinated, That's a surprise and bad is accurate.
I say allegedly, because exact numbers are not given. and it doesn't mesh with other data, so may be some hyperbaly or exaggeration but still worrying.
Do we need to panic about Israel? not yet, its still small numbers, and the vaccine probably means the cases will be less severe.
What is Israel doing? they have reimpose some restrictions and are have started vaccinating children down to 12
Not a problem if the vaccines largely stop people getting seriously ill. But not great for anti-vaxxers if it is being spread by the vaccinated.
Delta has now got to Israel, No surprise there it was going to eventually
It is spreading, No surprise, as it has toped out at about 63% of population vaccinated,
Allegedly, half of all new positive tests are in people vaccinated, That's a surprise and bad is accurate.
I say allegedly, because exact numbers are not given. and it doesn't mesh with other data, so may be some hyperbaly or exaggeration but still worrying.
Do we need to panic about Israel? not yet, its still small numbers, and the vaccine probably means the cases will be less severe.
What is Israel doing? they have reimpose some restrictions and are have started vaccinating children down to 12
Asymptomatic infection among the vaccinated doesn't matter.
I am pleased to report that tales of my demise are somewhat exaggerated. I took the advice on here last night and called 999. I spent a somewhat uncomfortable night but feel somewhat better today. Still waiting for a scan but it looks like a blood clot. Thanks very much for the concern, it was much appreciated.
Precedent? Why is Hancock's paramour different from any that Boris had in office?
The reaction to these things is always far too OTT . Shagger Hancock.is likely to survive. Remind me where the Tories are in the polls and what the effect of Mandleson resigning twice......
Of course, Hancock will survive.
It is remarkable that so many on pb.com have been so completely faithful in all their relationships, and so scrupulous in maintaining social distancing, that we can round up such a large posse of solid pb-ers to lynch Hancock.
(I defended Margaret Ferrier & Dominic Cummings as well).
Most of us, you'll note, have been neither setting the rules nor encouraging others to follow them, with menaces. Most of us are currently chafing under rules which are at best seriously inconveniencing us, but largely doing what we're told anyway. Most of us weren't responsible for sitting on data that could have freed us last week.
I had some small sympathy for Dom. I have none whatsoever for Hancock.
The rules would be the same with or without Hancock.
Delta has now got to Israel, No surprise there it was going to eventually
It is spreading, No surprise, as it has toped out at about 63% of population vaccinated,
Allegedly, half of all new positive tests are in people vaccinated, That's a surprise and bad is accurate.
I say allegedly, because exact numbers are not given. and it doesn't mesh with other data, so may be some hyperbaly or exaggeration but still worrying.
Do we need to panic about Israel? not yet, its still small numbers, and the vaccine probably means the cases will be less severe.
What is Israel doing? they have reimpose some restrictions and are have started vaccinating children down to 12
I wouldn't worry about Israel. We've had a Hell of a lot more Delta cases than they have and it's not causing serious trouble in terms of hospitalisations and deaths.
Here's some news I posted earlier, concerning the latest ONS survey returns for cases in the UK:
The biggest increase in positive tests was found in older teenagers and younger adults - those aged 17-24. This group is among the most likely to mix with lots of other people, while being the least likely to be vaccinated.
People aged 25-34 had been on a similar upward trend but this appears to have been curtailed by the introduction of vaccines, and cases in this age group are falling again.
This comes as Public Health England figures - also published on Friday - show a 46% increase in the number of Delta variant Covid cases in the last week, with most cases being in the under-50s.
The 80,000 (or 90% of) Delta cases found in under-50s have led to eight deaths - none of these had been double-vaccinated.
To re-emphasise, 90% of all confirmed Delta cases were in people under the age of 50, only eight of those people - 0.01% of confirmed cases - died, and none of them had received both doses of a vaccine. The jabs are working very well, even in a population with a much higher case rate than Israel and where nearly all new infections are now with the Delta variant.
Delta has now got to Israel, No surprise there it was going to eventually
It is spreading, No surprise, as it has toped out at about 63% of population vaccinated,
Allegedly, half of all new positive tests are in people vaccinated, That's a surprise and bad is accurate.
I say allegedly, because exact numbers are not given. and it doesn't mesh with other data, so may be some hyperbaly or exaggeration but still worrying.
Do we need to panic about Israel? not yet, its still small numbers, and the vaccine probably means the cases will be less severe.
What is Israel doing? they have reimpose some restrictions and are have started vaccinating children down to 12
I would be a bit careful...law of small numbers and all that.
Remember in the UK there was that stat that a 1/3 who died from Indian variant were doubled vaxxed. But it was actually 12 from 42 deaths.
Now we know, more complete data, 5 months, 50 deaths in over 50s, and zero in under 50 who are fully vaccinated. Double vaxxed make up a very small overall fraction of cases.
This is serious, I dont think the politically obsessed get how serious it is, because normal peoples lives were badly disrupted by the rules Hancock himself ignored.
Boris is oddly loyal to his people - you can add Stanley and Jo - even those, perhaps especially those, who treat him badly in return.
Not really.
BoZo is determined not to bow to norms and standards.
He stuck with Cummings when he should have sacked him because he didn't want to do what the press wanted, and sacked him on a whim for not being respectful enough to his girlfriend.
He will stick with Hancock because sacking him sets all kinds of bad precedent, then will ditch him when attention is elsewhere
Delta has now got to Israel, No surprise there it was going to eventually
It is spreading, No surprise, as it has toped out at about 63% of population vaccinated,
Allegedly, half of all new positive tests are in people vaccinated, That's a surprise and bad is accurate.
I say allegedly, because exact numbers are not given. and it doesn't mesh with other data, so may be some hyperbaly or exaggeration but still worrying.
Do we need to panic about Israel? not yet, its still small numbers, and the vaccine probably means the cases will be less severe.
What is Israel doing? they have reimpose some restrictions and are have started vaccinating children down to 12
I wouldn't worry about Israel. We've had a Hell of a lot more Delta cases than they have and it's not causing serious trouble in terms of hospitalisations and deaths.
Here's some news I posted earlier, concerning the latest ONS survey returns for cases in the UK:
The biggest increase in positive tests was found in older teenagers and younger adults - those aged 17-24. This group is among the most likely to mix with lots of other people, while being the least likely to be vaccinated.
People aged 25-34 had been on a similar upward trend but this appears to have been curtailed by the introduction of vaccines, and cases in this age group are falling again.
This comes as Public Health England figures - also published on Friday - show a 46% increase in the number of Delta variant Covid cases in the last week, with most cases being in the under-50s.
The 80,000 (or 90% of) Delta cases found in under-50s have led to eight deaths - none of these had been double-vaccinated.
To re-emphasise, 90% of all confirmed Delta cases were in people under the age of 50, only eight of those people - 0.01% of confirmed cases - died, and none of them had received both doses of a vaccine. The jabs are working very well, even in a population with a much higher case rate than Israel and where nearly all new infections are now with the Delta variant.
While I largely agree with your assessment, and Israel can worry about itself without me. My concern is that if the delta variant is passed on in sufficiently large proportion of asymptomatic vaccinated cease, then it may never go down sufficiently for the pore people who for medical reasons can not have vaccines. which is really sad, I notices somebody positing on here that there may be 250,000 in the UK.
If Boris sacked him today, would be done and dusted by Monday. Instead the media will drag it out for weeks.
However Johnson's claim on Wednesday that Labour are jabbering whilst the Conservatives are jabbing should be rammed down the public's throat this weekend. If the Government does that Hancock's tryst will go away, and Galloway has already won B and S for his boy Johnson, so moving on...
Yes, Galloway is coming across as a Tory glove puppet.
More a glove-puppet of the left. The Tories really don't care about B&S in the big scheme of things. The main idea is that Starmer is undermined again.
Should B&S go Tory though I've no doubt it'll get a little light shone on its causes.
Galloway is an ogre , but - if Labour lose B&S -Starmer will still rightly be blamed for having held the by election at this time.
Btw, what is with the whole 'its the timing' developing as something to blame. When exactly was possible and better? Genuinely, I don't know how this argument is being constructed.
Scheduling it 10 days after unlockdown failed to happen, which was already becoming foreseeable, didn't seem like such a terrible idea to me. I suspect a bit of Captain Hindsightery is being deployed against SKS here.
Not at all. Following the self-inflicted wound he inflicted on his party at Hartlepool, Starmer should have delayed B&S until early October - by which time Johnson's vaccine bounce is likely to have faded in the context of some return to normal party politics. I made this point when the writ was moved - soo little hindsight is involved
Leaving people unrepresented for 4-5 months for political convenience. Personally, I think writs should be moved immediately after the previous MP resigns, or after the funeral in the case of a death. If it's inconvenient, well there's no requirement to campaign.
Delta has now got to Israel, No surprise there it was going to eventually
It is spreading, No surprise, as it has toped out at about 63% of population vaccinated,
Allegedly, half of all new positive tests are in people vaccinated, That's a surprise and bad is accurate.
I say allegedly, because exact numbers are not given. and it doesn't mesh with other data, so may be some hyperbaly or exaggeration but still worrying.
Do we need to panic about Israel? not yet, its still small numbers, and the vaccine probably means the cases will be less severe.
What is Israel doing? they have reimpose some restrictions and are have started vaccinating children down to 12
I would be a bit careful...law of small numbers and all that.
Remember in the UK there was that stat that a 1/3 who died from Indian variant were doubled vaxxed. But it was actually 12 from 42 deaths.
Now we know, more complete data, 5 months, 50 deaths in over 50s, and zero in under 50 who are fully vaccinated. Double vaxxed make up a very small overall fraction of cases.
Yes, you may be right, and I am defiantly at the extreme of open everything now, not wait till 19 July, now and everything from nightclubs and strip clubs to travel for everybody to/from anywhere!!!
however I also what to look at information that conflicts with what I want it to be.
Boris is oddly loyal to his people - you can add Stanley and Jo - even those, perhaps especially those, who treat him badly in return.
Not really.
BoZo is determined not to bow to norms and standards.
He stuck with Cummings when he should have sacked him because he didn't want to do what the press wanted, and sacked him on a whim for not being respectful enough to his girlfriend.
He will stick with Hancock because sacking him sets all kinds of bad precedent, then will ditch him when attention is elsewhere
And the blond thread running through BoJo's premiership- prorogation, attitude to misbehaving ministers and aides, approach to PMQs, even the style of Brexit we have, is "you can't make me".
It's pathetically brattish, but when push doesn't come to shove, he's right.
Delta has now got to Israel, No surprise there it was going to eventually
It is spreading, No surprise, as it has toped out at about 63% of population vaccinated,
Allegedly, half of all new positive tests are in people vaccinated, That's a surprise and bad is accurate.
I say allegedly, because exact numbers are not given. and it doesn't mesh with other data, so may be some hyperbaly or exaggeration but still worrying.
Do we need to panic about Israel? not yet, its still small numbers, and the vaccine probably means the cases will be less severe.
What is Israel doing? they have reimpose some restrictions and are have started vaccinating children down to 12
I would be a bit careful...law of small numbers and all that.
Remember in the UK there was that stat that a 1/3 who died from Indian variant were doubled vaxxed. But it was actually 12 from 42 deaths.
Now we know, more complete data, 5 months, 50 deaths in over 50s, and zero in under 50 who are fully vaccinated. Double vaxxed make up a very small overall fraction of cases.
Yes, you may be right, and I am defiantly at the extreme of open everything now, not wait till 19 July, now and everything from nightclubs and strip clubs to travel for everybody to/from anywhere!!!
however I also what to look at information that conflicts with what I want it to be.
I am hoping that with only a few weeks left of schools and the youth getting vaccinated we are going to slow transmission in the foreseeable future and then it won't be long until we are doing boosters.
Perhaps Pfizer might ise Israel again as test location for updated boosters.
I am pleased to report that tales of my demise are somewhat exaggerated. I took the advice on here last night and called 999. I spent a somewhat uncomfortable night but feel somewhat better today. Still waiting for a scan but it looks like a blood clot. Thanks very much for the concern, it was much appreciated.
Anyone watching Ch4 News would bet the house on Hancock going. Probably tonight. It's a firing squad
The problem is *if* Johnson has a similar skeleton in a similarly socially undistanced cupboard, and should it come to light, he would surely be obliged to go too. And Johnson being Johnson, that is not beyond the realms of probability.
Can I hear the sound of distant violins?
I'd be surprised is Boris hasn't been cheating on Carrie.
I know someone who cheated on the day of his wedding with the brides best female...friend... nothing is impossible..
Two brothers who launched a bitcoin trading business from their bedroom and amassed $3.6 billion in investments have vanished, increasing their clients’ fears about their money.
Raees and Ameer Cajee, 21 and 17 respectively, have not been heard from since April when their platform shut down and they told clients it had been hacked and funds stolen. The brothers are alleged to have urged Africrypt’s investors not to contact the authorities as that “would only delay” efforts to recover the money.
According to reports, police are investigating what could be one of the biggest crypto thefts in history.
In the weeks before the disappearance, the brothers sold assets including a Lamborghini Huracan, and gave up their permanent suite at one of South Africa’s most expensive hotels and their rented beachside apartment near Durban, lawyers for the investors say.
The company’s tech staff were allegedly unable to access back-end systems a week before the claimed security breach, Darren Hanekom, a lawyer in Cape Town acting for some investors, told Bloomberg.
Africrypt’s pooled funds were transferred from its bank accounts and client wallets and put through bitcoin “tumblers and mixers” in an effort to make them untraceable, he claimed. “We were immediately suspicious as the announcement implored investors not to take legal action,” he said. In a letter to their clients dated April 13, Ameer Cajees is claimed to have written that it was “unknown to us the extent of personal client information breached during the attack”.
According to lawyers, he added that the brothers were attempting to retrieve “stolen funds and compromised information”. The apparent disappearance of the Cajees coincided with a record high in bitcoin’s value, following an announcement by Elon Musk that Tesla, his electric car maker, would start accepting the currency. Since then, its value has been hit by China’s crackdown on digital currencies and Musk reversing his decision.
If Boris sacked him today, would be done and dusted by Monday. Instead the media will drag it out for weeks.
However Johnson's claim on Wednesday that Labour are jabbering whilst the Conservatives are jabbing should be rammed down the public's throat this weekend. If the Government does that Hancock's tryst will go away, and Galloway has already won B and S for his boy Johnson, so moving on...
Yes, Galloway is coming across as a Tory glove puppet.
More a glove-puppet of the left. The Tories really don't care about B&S in the big scheme of things. The main idea is that Starmer is undermined again.
Should B&S go Tory though I've no doubt it'll get a little light shone on its causes.
Galloway is an ogre , but - if Labour lose B&S -Starmer will still rightly be blamed for having held the by election at this time.
Btw, what is with the whole 'its the timing' developing as something to blame. When exactly was possible and better? Genuinely, I don't know how this argument is being constructed.
Scheduling it 10 days after unlockdown failed to happen, which was already becoming foreseeable, didn't seem like such a terrible idea to me. I suspect a bit of Captain Hindsightery is being deployed against SKS here.
Not at all. Following the self-inflicted wound he inflicted on his party at Hartlepool, Starmer should have delayed B&S until early October - by which time Johnson's vaccine bounce is likely to have faded in the context of some return to normal party politics. I made this point when the writ was moved - soo little hindsight is involved
Leaving people unrepresented for 4-5 months for political convenience. Personally, I think writs should be moved immediately after the previous MP resigns, or after the funeral in the case of a death. If it's inconvenient, well there's no requirement to campaign.
It depends how long a delay is involved. Stephen Swingler MP for Newcastle under Lyme passed away in February 1969 , but the consequent by election did not occur until the end of October that year. I believe that was far too long a period to leave the seat unfilled.4 to 5 months has often happened - I recall that Lord Lambton resigned his seat at Berwick upon Tweed in late May 1973 with no by election taking place until early November. There are other more recent examples such that it would not have been unreasonable to have not moved the writ until early September. Candidate selection itself can easily take a couple of months - when normal procedures are being followed . The imposition of candidates by the national party can misfire badly - as evidenced by Hartlepool.
Delta has now got to Israel, No surprise there it was going to eventually
It is spreading, No surprise, as it has toped out at about 63% of population vaccinated,
Allegedly, half of all new positive tests are in people vaccinated, That's a surprise and bad is accurate.
I say allegedly, because exact numbers are not given. and it doesn't mesh with other data, so may be some hyperbaly or exaggeration but still worrying.
Do we need to panic about Israel? not yet, its still small numbers, and the vaccine probably means the cases will be less severe.
What is Israel doing? they have reimpose some restrictions and are have started vaccinating children down to 12
I wouldn't worry about Israel. We've had a Hell of a lot more Delta cases than they have and it's not causing serious trouble in terms of hospitalisations and deaths.
Here's some news I posted earlier, concerning the latest ONS survey returns for cases in the UK:
The biggest increase in positive tests was found in older teenagers and younger adults - those aged 17-24. This group is among the most likely to mix with lots of other people, while being the least likely to be vaccinated.
People aged 25-34 had been on a similar upward trend but this appears to have been curtailed by the introduction of vaccines, and cases in this age group are falling again.
This comes as Public Health England figures - also published on Friday - show a 46% increase in the number of Delta variant Covid cases in the last week, with most cases being in the under-50s.
The 80,000 (or 90% of) Delta cases found in under-50s have led to eight deaths - none of these had been double-vaccinated.
To re-emphasise, 90% of all confirmed Delta cases were in people under the age of 50, only eight of those people - 0.01% of confirmed cases - died, and none of them had received both doses of a vaccine. The jabs are working very well, even in a population with a much higher case rate than Israel and where nearly all new infections are now with the Delta variant.
While I largely agree with your assessment, and Israel can worry about itself without me. My concern is that if the delta variant is passed on in sufficiently large proportion of asymptomatic vaccinated cease, then it may never go down sufficiently for the pore people who for medical reasons can not have vaccines. which is really sad, I notices somebody positing on here that there may be 250,000 in the UK.
I would seriously doubt that the number is as high as 250,000 - IIRC that was claimed as an approximate total for the number of immunosuppressed people in the country, but I so happen to know two of those people really rather well and they were both deemed not compromised enough - thank God - to be denied the vaccine. They therefore had both doses as part of Cohort 4. But that's by the by: fundamentally, it's not possible to achieve complete protection for the unvaccinated vulnerable, because the vaccines themselves are less than 100% effective and so won't completely crush illness or sever all those nasty chains of transmission.
At some point we have to exit the restrictions and, as the sole justification for imposing them in the first place was to prevent the collapse of the healthcare system, now seems like an appropriate time to do it. Insofar as I can see, there's nothing in the evidence gathered about Delta so far - in terms of estimates of vaccine efficacy, and in the observations of hospitalisation and death seen in the worst-affected localities - to suggest that this variant has the capacity to overload the hospitals at this stage in the epidemic.
Removing restrictions inevitably means an increase in cases and everything that flows from that, and it will mean greater risk for the most vulnerable parts of the population - but policymakers have to choose the best route overall for the entire community, which means that they need to balance the remaining benefit of the restrictions against the non-Covid harms that they cause. Once the benefits are exceeded by the harms, the rules should be binned.
Yes, you may be right, and I am defiantly at the extreme of open everything now, not wait till 19 July, now and everything from nightclubs and strip clubs to travel for everybody to/from anywhere!!!
however I also what to look at information that conflicts with what I want it to be.
That Daily Mail report did huge damage - the notion percolated into the public consciousness even being doubly vaccinated didn't make you safe.
If I were a bluff old cynic, I'd wonder if the placing of the report was timed to make the public more willing to accept the extension of restrictions but I'm sure that would be erroneous on my part.
Delta has now got to Israel, No surprise there it was going to eventually
It is spreading, No surprise, as it has toped out at about 63% of population vaccinated,
Allegedly, half of all new positive tests are in people vaccinated, That's a surprise and bad is accurate.
I say allegedly, because exact numbers are not given. and it doesn't mesh with other data, so may be some hyperbaly or exaggeration but still worrying.
Do we need to panic about Israel? not yet, its still small numbers, and the vaccine probably means the cases will be less severe.
What is Israel doing? they have reimpose some restrictions and are have started vaccinating children down to 12
I wouldn't worry about Israel. We've had a Hell of a lot more Delta cases than they have and it's not causing serious trouble in terms of hospitalisations and deaths.
Here's some news I posted earlier, concerning the latest ONS survey returns for cases in the UK:
The biggest increase in positive tests was found in older teenagers and younger adults - those aged 17-24. This group is among the most likely to mix with lots of other people, while being the least likely to be vaccinated.
People aged 25-34 had been on a similar upward trend but this appears to have been curtailed by the introduction of vaccines, and cases in this age group are falling again.
This comes as Public Health England figures - also published on Friday - show a 46% increase in the number of Delta variant Covid cases in the last week, with most cases being in the under-50s.
The 80,000 (or 90% of) Delta cases found in under-50s have led to eight deaths - none of these had been double-vaccinated.
To re-emphasise, 90% of all confirmed Delta cases were in people under the age of 50, only eight of those people - 0.01% of confirmed cases - died, and none of them had received both doses of a vaccine. The jabs are working very well, even in a population with a much higher case rate than Israel and where nearly all new infections are now with the Delta variant.
While I largely agree with your assessment, and Israel can worry about itself without me. My concern is that if the delta variant is passed on in sufficiently large proportion of asymptomatic vaccinated cease, then it may never go down sufficiently for the pore people who for medical reasons can not have vaccines. which is really sad, I notices somebody positing on here that there may be 250,000 in the UK.
I would seriously doubt that the number is as high as 250,000 - IIRC that was claimed as an approximate total for the number of immunosuppressed people in the country, but I so happen to know two of those people really rather well and they were both deemed not compromised enough - thank God - to be denied the vaccine. They therefore had both doses as part of Cohort 4. But that's by the by: fundamentally, it's not possible to achieve complete protection for the unvaccinated vulnerable, because the vaccines themselves are less than 100% effective and so won't completely crush illness or sever all those nasty chains of transmission.
At some point we have to exit the restrictions and, as the sole justification for imposing them in the first place was to prevent the collapse of the healthcare system, now seems like an appropriate time to do it. Insofar as I can see, there's nothing in the evidence gathered about Delta so far - in terms of estimates of vaccine efficacy, and in the observations of hospitalisation and death seen in the worst-affected localities - to suggest that this variant has the capacity to overload the hospitals at this stage in the epidemic.
Removing restrictions inevitably means an increase in cases and everything that flows from that, and it will mean greater risk for the most vulnerable parts of the population - but policymakers have to choose the best route overall for the entire community, which means that they need to balance the remaining benefit of the restrictions against the non-Covid harms that they cause. Once the benefits are exceeded by the harms, the rules should be binned.
As I understand it, many if not most immunosuppressed people can be vaccinated with anything other than a live virus vector. But it might not generate much of an immune response and therefore might not work very well.
When Wales beats Denmark tomorrow, and England lose to Germany, with Kane misfiring again, on Tuesday the narrative will be football and then the B&S election will make the headlines
Hancock may get away it it but that does not excuse the fact he should have resigned/ been sacked
The only reason I can think of why a PM would not fire a Cabinet minister for so disgracefully undermining the flagship policy of the government, is because the PM has been doing the same. I start to ponder that Johnson is not long for his job.
He didn’t fire Cummings for what, bluntly, was a far more serious matter.
Firstly, by a mile what Cummings did was less serious than this.
Secondly, Cummings was at the time the brains behind the Boris government and it was still panic stations.
Hancock has shown himself to be worse than inept throughout the crisis, as well as being dishonest. Which the PM admits. Secondly we are now out the woods. Sack him now or this will cast a cloud over firstly, the unlockdown, but actually the rest of his term.
Cummings coming into work while his wife was showing symptoms of Covid was ‘by a mile less serious than this?’
Or driving 300 miles and then repeatedly breaking quarantine while there?
And repeatedly lying about all this?
I have to disagree.
I think you are forgetting that his wife was not showing Covid symptoms. She was just unwell, but definitely 100% not Covid symptoms. That's what made it okay for him to come back in.
Then he decided that they might get Covid at a later point so needed to immediately travel over night to Durham.
Ummm..she thought they were possible Covid symptoms.
Why is the Hancock story suddenly breaking today? Seems as if some people were gunning for him over the last month vie leaks to the press.
Just as well 24 rolling news wan't around during the First World War, when Ministers and Admirals were known to be spending time with other men's wives.
Delta has now got to Israel, No surprise there it was going to eventually
It is spreading, No surprise, as it has toped out at about 63% of population vaccinated,
Allegedly, half of all new positive tests are in people vaccinated, That's a surprise and bad is accurate.
I say allegedly, because exact numbers are not given. and it doesn't mesh with other data, so may be some hyperbaly or exaggeration but still worrying.
Do we need to panic about Israel? not yet, its still small numbers, and the vaccine probably means the cases will be less severe.
What is Israel doing? they have reimpose some restrictions and are have started vaccinating children down to 12
I wouldn't worry about Israel. We've had a Hell of a lot more Delta cases than they have and it's not causing serious trouble in terms of hospitalisations and deaths.
Here's some news I posted earlier, concerning the latest ONS survey returns for cases in the UK:
The biggest increase in positive tests was found in older teenagers and younger adults - those aged 17-24. This group is among the most likely to mix with lots of other people, while being the least likely to be vaccinated.
People aged 25-34 had been on a similar upward trend but this appears to have been curtailed by the introduction of vaccines, and cases in this age group are falling again.
This comes as Public Health England figures - also published on Friday - show a 46% increase in the number of Delta variant Covid cases in the last week, with most cases being in the under-50s.
The 80,000 (or 90% of) Delta cases found in under-50s have led to eight deaths - none of these had been double-vaccinated.
To re-emphasise, 90% of all confirmed Delta cases were in people under the age of 50, only eight of those people - 0.01% of confirmed cases - died, and none of them had received both doses of a vaccine. The jabs are working very well, even in a population with a much higher case rate than Israel and where nearly all new infections are now with the Delta variant.
While I largely agree with your assessment, and Israel can worry about itself without me. My concern is that if the delta variant is passed on in sufficiently large proportion of asymptomatic vaccinated cease, then it may never go down sufficiently for the pore people who for medical reasons can not have vaccines. which is really sad, I notices somebody positing on here that there may be 250,000 in the UK.
I would seriously doubt that the number is as high as 250,000 - IIRC that was claimed as an approximate total for the number of immunosuppressed people in the country, but I so happen to know two of those people really rather well and they were both deemed not compromised enough - thank God - to be denied the vaccine. They therefore had both doses as part of Cohort 4. But that's by the by: fundamentally, it's not possible to achieve complete protection for the unvaccinated vulnerable, because the vaccines themselves are less than 100% effective and so won't completely crush illness or sever all those nasty chains of transmission.
At some point we have to exit the restrictions and, as the sole justification for imposing them in the first place was to prevent the collapse of the healthcare system, now seems like an appropriate time to do it. Insofar as I can see, there's nothing in the evidence gathered about Delta so far - in terms of estimates of vaccine efficacy, and in the observations of hospitalisation and death seen in the worst-affected localities - to suggest that this variant has the capacity to overload the hospitals at this stage in the epidemic.
Removing restrictions inevitably means an increase in cases and everything that flows from that, and it will mean greater risk for the most vulnerable parts of the population - but policymakers have to choose the best route overall for the entire community, which means that they need to balance the remaining benefit of the restrictions against the non-Covid harms that they cause. Once the benefits are exceeded by the harms, the rules should be binned.
Thanks, am pleased that the number is less than 250,000.
And there is IMHO enough data now to say the heath system will not be overrun, its time to fully reopen, NOW!
Anyone watching Ch4 News would bet the house on Hancock going. Probably tonight. It's a firing squad
The problem is *if* Johnson has a similar skeleton in a similarly socially undistanced cupboard, and should it come to light, he would surely be obliged to go too. And Johnson being Johnson, that is not beyond the realms of probability.
Can I hear the sound of distant violins?
I'd be surprised is Boris hasn't been cheating on Carrie.
I know someone who cheated on the day of his wedding with the brides best female...friend... nothing is impossible..
I know the diametric opposite. A bride who fucked the best man on the wedding day
The human comedy is nothing if not diverse and egalitarian
Anyone watching Ch4 News would bet the house on Hancock going. Probably tonight. It's a firing squad
The problem is *if* Johnson has a similar skeleton in a similarly socially undistanced cupboard, and should it come to light, he would surely be obliged to go too. And Johnson being Johnson, that is not beyond the realms of probability.
Can I hear the sound of distant violins?
I'd be surprised is Boris hasn't been cheating on Carrie.
I know someone who cheated on the day of his wedding with the brides best female...friend... nothing is impossible..
I know the diametric opposite. A bride who fucked the best man on the wedding day
The human comedy is nothing if not diverse and egalitarian
Leon,
Sorry to ask this, but based on some of the anecdotes about you life so far I feel the need to ask, 'Where you the best Man?'
Why is the Hancock story suddenly breaking today? Seems as if some people were gunning for him over the last month vie leaks to the press.
Just as well 24 rolling news wan't around during the First World War, when Ministers and Admirals were known to be spending time with other men's wives.
Or other people’s teenage daughters in the case of Asquith.
Anyone watching Ch4 News would bet the house on Hancock going. Probably tonight. It's a firing squad
The problem is *if* Johnson has a similar skeleton in a similarly socially undistanced cupboard, and should it come to light, he would surely be obliged to go too. And Johnson being Johnson, that is not beyond the realms of probability.
Can I hear the sound of distant violins?
I'd be surprised is Boris hasn't been cheating on Carrie.
I know someone who cheated on the day of his wedding with the brides best female...friend... nothing is impossible..
I know the diametric opposite. A bride who fucked the best man on the wedding day
The human comedy is nothing if not diverse and egalitarian
Leon,
Sorry to ask this, but based on some of the anecdotes about you life so far I feel the need to ask, 'Where you the best Man?'
Well, he’s lasted longer than Byronic already, so poss...oh, sorry, I see what you mean.
Two brothers who launched a bitcoin trading business from their bedroom and amassed $3.6 billion in investments have vanished, increasing their clients’ fears about their money.
Raees and Ameer Cajee, 21 and 17 respectively, have not been heard from since April when their platform shut down and they told clients it had been hacked and funds stolen. The brothers are alleged to have urged Africrypt’s investors not to contact the authorities as that “would only delay” efforts to recover the money.
According to reports, police are investigating what could be one of the biggest crypto thefts in history.
In the weeks before the disappearance, the brothers sold assets including a Lamborghini Huracan, and gave up their permanent suite at one of South Africa’s most expensive hotels and their rented beachside apartment near Durban, lawyers for the investors say.
The company’s tech staff were allegedly unable to access back-end systems a week before the claimed security breach, Darren Hanekom, a lawyer in Cape Town acting for some investors, told Bloomberg.
Africrypt’s pooled funds were transferred from its bank accounts and client wallets and put through bitcoin “tumblers and mixers” in an effort to make them untraceable, he claimed. “We were immediately suspicious as the announcement implored investors not to take legal action,” he said. In a letter to their clients dated April 13, Ameer Cajees is claimed to have written that it was “unknown to us the extent of personal client information breached during the attack”.
According to lawyers, he added that the brothers were attempting to retrieve “stolen funds and compromised information”. The apparent disappearance of the Cajees coincided with a record high in bitcoin’s value, following an announcement by Elon Musk that Tesla, his electric car maker, would start accepting the currency. Since then, its value has been hit by China’s crackdown on digital currencies and Musk reversing his decision.
I am going to have a wild stab at this and speculate that your client base when you operate what seems to be a money laundering scheme for a money laundering currency probably don’t use the likes of me to recover money that they believe that they are owed.
I suspect that their methods may not even be fully ECHR compliant.
Adds "the Defense Department and Intelligence Community have a lot of work to do before we can actually understand whether these aerial threats present a serious national security concern.”
Niall Paterson @skynewsniall · 3h I got to hug and kiss my mum and dad last week for the first time in almost a year. Matt Hancock was one of those who told me what I could and could not do; he apparently broke the rules that he told me (literally, given my job, to my face on occasion) I had to follow.
Two brothers who launched a bitcoin trading business from their bedroom and amassed $3.6 billion in investments have vanished, increasing their clients’ fears about their money.
Raees and Ameer Cajee, 21 and 17 respectively, have not been heard from since April when their platform shut down and they told clients it had been hacked and funds stolen. The brothers are alleged to have urged Africrypt’s investors not to contact the authorities as that “would only delay” efforts to recover the money.
According to reports, police are investigating what could be one of the biggest crypto thefts in history.
In the weeks before the disappearance, the brothers sold assets including a Lamborghini Huracan, and gave up their permanent suite at one of South Africa’s most expensive hotels and their rented beachside apartment near Durban, lawyers for the investors say.
The company’s tech staff were allegedly unable to access back-end systems a week before the claimed security breach, Darren Hanekom, a lawyer in Cape Town acting for some investors, told Bloomberg.
Africrypt’s pooled funds were transferred from its bank accounts and client wallets and put through bitcoin “tumblers and mixers” in an effort to make them untraceable, he claimed. “We were immediately suspicious as the announcement implored investors not to take legal action,” he said. In a letter to their clients dated April 13, Ameer Cajees is claimed to have written that it was “unknown to us the extent of personal client information breached during the attack”.
According to lawyers, he added that the brothers were attempting to retrieve “stolen funds and compromised information”. The apparent disappearance of the Cajees coincided with a record high in bitcoin’s value, following an announcement by Elon Musk that Tesla, his electric car maker, would start accepting the currency. Since then, its value has been hit by China’s crackdown on digital currencies and Musk reversing his decision.
I am going to have a wild stab at this and speculate that your client base when you operate what seems to be a money laundering scheme for a money laundering currency probably don’t use the likes of me to recover money that they believe that they are owed.
I suspect that their methods may not even be fully ECHR compliant.
I suspect they now have new identities and are sat in somewhere like Dubai....
Anyone watching Ch4 News would bet the house on Hancock going. Probably tonight. It's a firing squad
The problem is *if* Johnson has a similar skeleton in a similarly socially undistanced cupboard, and should it come to light, he would surely be obliged to go too. And Johnson being Johnson, that is not beyond the realms of probability.
Can I hear the sound of distant violins?
I'd be surprised is Boris hasn't been cheating on Carrie.
I know someone who cheated on the day of his wedding with the brides best female...friend... nothing is impossible..
I know the diametric opposite. A bride who fucked the best man on the wedding day
The human comedy is nothing if not diverse and egalitarian
The moral of the story: Don't ask Leon to be your Best Man.
Delta has now got to Israel, No surprise there it was going to eventually
It is spreading, No surprise, as it has toped out at about 63% of population vaccinated,
Allegedly, half of all new positive tests are in people vaccinated, That's a surprise and bad is accurate.
I say allegedly, because exact numbers are not given. and it doesn't mesh with other data, so may be some hyperbaly or exaggeration but still worrying.
Do we need to panic about Israel? not yet, its still small numbers, and the vaccine probably means the cases will be less severe.
What is Israel doing? they have reimpose some restrictions and are have started vaccinating children down to 12
Asymptomatic infection among the vaccinated doesn't matter.
Exactly. It’s the same problem in UK, USA, UAE and other places that are doing lots of testing. They’re finding cases, but that’s not translating into over-running the health system.
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If Johnson sacks him 'for' the having an affair he will look so hypocritical its silly.
If Johnson sacks him for being rubbish at his job, then that implies the whole response to the pandemic has been rubbish.
If he sacks him for braking social distancing, it also sets a president, n what if a phot emerges of another cabinet minister shaking hands at a meeting, or hugging there mother at a funeral?
I don't think he will go, not this week.
150,500 adults over 30 with first vaccinations out of a population estimated by NIMS at 214,320.
Can I hear the sound of distant violins?
The press won’t give up, though.
I expect he’ll make it through to a fairly imminent full/partial reshuffle.
It’s overdue.
Btw, Truss’s performance today was laughable. She came out to bat for him before being directly contradicted by Hancock.
Smarter, ambitious Tory MP’s have long figured out the game. Don’t go into bat for this lot, you’ll only end up looking like an arse.
Despite significant push-back because of Delta in the UK, Guernsey is fully opening its border to the CTA fully vaccinated (two doses + 14 days) from July 1 with no testing on arrival or quarantine requirements.
The singly or un-vaccinated will still require testing/quarantine until negative, plus follow up.
Expectation is that infections will rise, but because the vulnerable are now vaccinated and those who are not will not get seriously ill, the (only) hospital will cope and we're just going to have to learn to live with this thing.
To note there are NO NPI's in place (face masks, social distancing, logging in to venues, attendance size limitations) - they have all been comletely at the border since March.
Wish us luck!
Scheduling it 10 days after unlockdown failed to happen, which was already becoming foreseeable, didn't seem like such a terrible idea to me. I suspect a bit of Captain Hindsightery is being deployed against SKS here.
18-19
20-24
25-29
We should be doing the same here.
I think he's had enough Shaggy personally.
Number of first vaccinations - 2,005,617
Estimated population: 4,415,064
That's 45.3%.
Interestingly for the first time in this pandemic the Medics/epidemiologists were unanimous in recommending the course of action the politicians agreed to.
It is remarkable that so many on pb.com have been so completely faithful in all their relationships, and so scrupulous in maintaining social distancing, that we can round up such a large posse of solid pb-ers to lynch Hancock.
(I defended Margaret Ferrier & Dominic Cummings as well).
https://twitter.com/Ash_Sugden1994/status/1408481357353918471?s=20
Scotland is now the UK's Covid hotspot and the proportion of the population with the virus is double the rate in England and four times higher than Wales.
Yet Scotland is the only part of the UK to currently have travel restrictions on another part.
https://twitter.com/Mike_Blackley/status/1408388746962219009?s=20
What was the update?
Most of us are currently chafing under rules which are at best seriously inconveniencing us, but largely doing what we're told anyway.
Most of us weren't responsible for sitting on data that could have freed us last week.
I had some small sympathy for Dom. I have none whatsoever for Hancock.
Boris is oddly loyal to his people - you can add Stanley and Jo - even those, perhaps especially those, who treat him badly in return.
First, keeping ministers on when the really should resign is now part of the game. It's a good way to remind the plebs that Bozza is World God. Don't like it? Well, you can always vote for (stifled giggle)... Starmer... in (guffaw) 2024!
Second, humiliation of ministers is a long-established part of the game. Ambitious politicians have always gone into bat to defend the indefensible to earn Brownie Points with the boss. This boss gives them so many opportunities to do that, and clearly values personal loyalty above all.
And as long as Conservative-inclined voters cluck and mutter but continue to vote for this shower, Johnson and co will continue doing it.
"See what you are missing - none of that sort of action when you WFH!"
If accurate this is a bit worrying,
Delta has now got to Israel, No surprise there it was going to eventually
It is spreading, No surprise, as it has toped out at about 63% of population vaccinated,
Allegedly, half of all new positive tests are in people vaccinated, That's a surprise and bad is accurate.
I say allegedly, because exact numbers are not given. and it doesn't mesh with other data, so may be some hyperbaly or exaggeration but still worrying.
Do we need to panic about Israel? not yet, its still small numbers, and the vaccine probably means the cases will be less severe.
What is Israel doing? they have reimpose some restrictions and are have started vaccinating children down to 12
He is just a whipping boy.
Here's some news I posted earlier, concerning the latest ONS survey returns for cases in the UK:
The biggest increase in positive tests was found in older teenagers and younger adults - those aged 17-24. This group is among the most likely to mix with lots of other people, while being the least likely to be vaccinated.
People aged 25-34 had been on a similar upward trend but this appears to have been curtailed by the introduction of vaccines, and cases in this age group are falling again.
This comes as Public Health England figures - also published on Friday - show a 46% increase in the number of Delta variant Covid cases in the last week, with most cases being in the under-50s.
The 80,000 (or 90% of) Delta cases found in under-50s have led to eight deaths - none of these had been double-vaccinated.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57610999
To re-emphasise, 90% of all confirmed Delta cases were in people under the age of 50, only eight of those people - 0.01% of confirmed cases - died, and none of them had received both doses of a vaccine. The jabs are working very well, even in a population with a much higher case rate than Israel and where nearly all new infections are now with the Delta variant.
Remember in the UK there was that stat that a 1/3 who died from Indian variant were doubled vaxxed. But it was actually 12 from 42 deaths.
Now we know, more complete data, 5 months, 50 deaths in over 50s, and zero in under 50 who are fully vaccinated. Double vaxxed make up a very small overall fraction of cases.
Simple as that.
This is serious, I dont think the politically obsessed get how serious it is, because normal peoples lives were badly disrupted by the rules Hancock himself ignored.
He will be gone before Batley and Spen.
BoZo is determined not to bow to norms and standards.
He stuck with Cummings when he should have sacked him because he didn't want to do what the press wanted, and sacked him on a whim for not being respectful enough to his girlfriend.
He will stick with Hancock because sacking him sets all kinds of bad precedent, then will ditch him when attention is elsewhere
however I also what to look at information that conflicts with what I want it to be.
It's pathetically brattish, but when push doesn't come to shove, he's right.
Perhaps Pfizer might ise Israel again as test location for updated boosters.
Two brothers who launched a bitcoin trading business from their bedroom and amassed $3.6 billion in investments have vanished, increasing their clients’ fears about their money.
Raees and Ameer Cajee, 21 and 17 respectively, have not been heard from since April when their platform shut down and they told clients it had been hacked and funds stolen. The brothers are alleged to have urged Africrypt’s investors not to contact the authorities as that “would only delay” efforts to recover the money.
According to reports, police are investigating what could be one of the biggest crypto thefts in history.
In the weeks before the disappearance, the brothers sold assets including a Lamborghini Huracan, and gave up their permanent suite at one of South Africa’s most expensive hotels and their rented beachside apartment near Durban, lawyers for the investors say.
The company’s tech staff were allegedly unable to access back-end systems a week before the claimed security breach, Darren Hanekom, a lawyer in Cape Town acting for some investors, told Bloomberg.
Africrypt’s pooled funds were transferred from its bank accounts and client wallets and put through bitcoin “tumblers and mixers” in an effort to make them untraceable, he claimed. “We were immediately suspicious as the announcement implored investors not to take legal action,” he said. In a letter to their clients dated April 13, Ameer Cajees is claimed to have written that it was “unknown to us the extent of personal client information breached during the attack”.
According to lawyers, he added that the brothers were attempting to retrieve “stolen funds and compromised information”. The apparent disappearance of the Cajees coincided with a record high in bitcoin’s value, following an announcement by Elon Musk that Tesla, his electric car maker, would start accepting the currency. Since then, its value has been hit by China’s crackdown on digital currencies and Musk reversing his decision.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cajee-brothers-who-ran-3-6bn-bitcoin-fund-vanish-lbfhbc0sh
At some point we have to exit the restrictions and, as the sole justification for imposing them in the first place was to prevent the collapse of the healthcare system, now seems like an appropriate time to do it. Insofar as I can see, there's nothing in the evidence gathered about Delta so far - in terms of estimates of vaccine efficacy, and in the observations of hospitalisation and death seen in the worst-affected localities - to suggest that this variant has the capacity to overload the hospitals at this stage in the epidemic.
Removing restrictions inevitably means an increase in cases and everything that flows from that, and it will mean greater risk for the most vulnerable parts of the population - but policymakers have to choose the best route overall for the entire community, which means that they need to balance the remaining benefit of the restrictions against the non-Covid harms that they cause. Once the benefits are exceeded by the harms, the rules should be binned.
“The White House has been briefed on the UAP report”.
If I were a bluff old cynic, I'd wonder if the placing of the report was timed to make the public more willing to accept the extension of restrictions but I'm sure that would be erroneous on my part.
https://twitter.com/Antonio_Caramia/status/1408312225333452801?s=19
...oh yeah - and the rest are aliens.
I didn't mean to tag your post as off topic!
At least she went away for 6 months
Just as well 24 rolling news wan't around during the First World War, when Ministers and Admirals were known to be spending time with other men's wives.
And there is IMHO enough data now to say the heath system will not be overrun, its time to fully reopen, NOW!
The human comedy is nothing if not diverse and egalitarian
Sorry to ask this, but based on some of the anecdotes about you life so far I feel the need to ask, 'Where you the best Man?'
I suspect that their methods may not even be fully ECHR compliant.
Calls the report "an important first step."
Adds "the Defense Department and Intelligence Community have a lot of work to do before we can actually understand whether these aerial threats present a serious national security concern.”
Niall Paterson
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I got to hug and kiss my mum and dad last week for the first time in almost a year. Matt Hancock was one of those who told me what I could and could not do; he apparently broke the rules that he told me (literally, given my job, to my face on occasion) I had to follow.