Thirteen months ago the CON poll lead dropped upto 17 points after the Cummings Barnard Castle revel

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Thirteen months ago the CON poll lead dropped upto 17 points after the Cummings Barnard Castle revelations – politicalbetting.com

Last year the news of Dom’s lockdown breaking trip to Barnard Castle had a huge impact on the CON lead in the voting intention polls.

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Floater

1st

dixiedean

Second. Cycling and Brexit. Yes indeed.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jun/25/geraint-thomas-and-chris-froome-sign-letter-calling-for-help-for-riders-affected-by-brexit

FrancisUrquhart

If Boris sacked him today, would be done and dusted by Monday. Instead the media will drag it out for weeks.

Floater

Coronavirus latest news: Scotland’s Covid rate is more than double England’s, new figures reveal


Shut the border !!!

rottenborough

FrancisUrquhart said:

If Boris sacked him today, would be done and dusted by Monday. Instead the media will drag it out for weeks.

e.g.



Dan Wootton
@danwootton
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26m
He was the man who kept families from hugging; who banned first dances at weddings; who warned teenagers that human contact could ‘kill your gran’.
But that Matt Hancock is a fake, a phoney and a fraud whose authority is gone.
My new
@DailyMailUK
column

maaarsh

FrancisUrquhart said:

If Boris sacked him today, would be done and dusted by Monday. Instead the media will drag it out for weeks.

Yep - that's what Hancock has chosen for his family, rather than taking some accountability and putting them first.

rottenborough

Opened my newspaper earlier to find a two page advert from the Government detailing all the petty rules for a wedding. e.g. the speeches must be done outside to avoid use of loud voice inside.

This is all just becoming a joke now.

Richard_Nabavi

Floater said:

Coronavirus latest news: Scotland’s Covid rate is more than double England’s, new figures reveal

Shut the border !!!

To be fair, Nicola did try to help England by banning Scots from bringing their infections to Manchester.

rottenborough

Oh...


Adam Brooks
@EssexPR
·
39m
Hancock’s mistresses brother got Government contracts…
My god it gets worse.

#SackHancock

Cookie

Of the four lead articles in the Spectator, three are gunning for Matt Hancock. Might be an occasion to see if GB News have anything lined up on this.

Floater

Richard_Nabavi said:

Floater said:

Coronavirus latest news: Scotland’s Covid rate is more than double England’s, new figures reveal

Shut the border !!!

To be fair, Nicola did try to help England by banning Scots from bringing their infections to Manchester.

But London was fair game .....

TOPPING

fpt

kinabalu said:

Malmesbury said:

kinabalu said:

isam said:

kinabalu said:

isam said:

Leon said:

maaarsh said:

BigRich said:

Pulpstar said:

Just seen a clip of Ledbetter being harangued in Batley and Spen. Vile stuff

Do you mind me asking, by whom, and for what?

Was it activists form a different party?

I'm assuming it's from voters Labour would consider 'theirs' and fits in to the pattern of ignoring homophobia or anti-semitism if its electorally damaging to challenge it that they've gone for.

Labour really are completely fucked. Either they try and keep the conservative Muslim vote on board (but how? How do they square this with Wokeness??) or they abandon them and lose several million voters in one go

When the woke types feel comfortable calling out Islamic misogyny and homophobia, we might be approaching assimilation. Letting them off because of their religion, or that they’re their enemies enemy proves multiculturalism isn’t working.

Conservative Islam is backward and reprehensible in its attitude to women and homosexuality.

That was easy, wasn't it.

The fact you had to add ‘Conservative’ makes me feel like it wouldn’t be easy to say it without caveats

If you said it without caveat it would be anti-Muslim bigotry.

Which then leads to the question - at what level of belief is it acceptable to generalise about a group.

If group A has X% holding a belief Y, at what level of X does it become acceptable to say "Group A believes Y"

100%
90%
80%

and so on?

My opinion? -

"Muslims are homophobic" only works if it's close to 100%.

Which it isn't. So you go with "Homophobia is more prevalent amongst British Muslims than amongst the general population."

Saying the first (especially if you make a big deal of it when you normally don't give a toss about LGBT rights) is a tell of islamophobia.

And should we do a balancer for context? Yes, why not.

"British Jews are emotionally attached to Israel." - No. That's a tell of antisemitism.

"There is more attachment to Israel amongst British Jews than amongst the general population." - Ok.

I'm not up on the latest definitions but I think the latter example (Jews/Israel) would probably be true for the majority of British Jews. Israel is a Jewish homeland, the Jewish homeland and hence I can't see anti-semitism in that statement as I would take it to mean the majority of British Jews are emotionally attached to Israel. 100%? No. But a majority.

As to your first example, I would apply the same thinking. 100%? No. But a majority? No idea but would it be Islamophobic to say so. Have there been polls? I would be amazed if it was a majority and that is where the islamophobia would come in to conflate "some" with "all". But I don't think the test is 100%.

But perhaps I am out of touch and need re-educating.

Cookie

FrancisUrquhart said:

If Boris sacked him today, would be done and dusted by Monday. Instead the media will drag it out for weeks.

Yes, I can't see an upside for Boris in not doing so. It can't be any esteem for his abilities or any personal affection for the man.

MarqueeMark

I can't see why Boris is hanging on to Hancock, other than from preventing Cummings getting some grim satisfaction at having nailed his man...

FrancisUrquhart

rottenborough said:

Oh...


Adam Brooks
@EssexPR
·
39m
Hancock’s mistresses brother got Government contracts…
My god it gets worse.

#SackHancock

We've done this...its more complicated. Company has had contracts for 11 years with NHS. Brother employed way before covid when not even clear Tories would be in power a month later let alone if Hancock would be in the job.

Its not really his mate from the pub says he wants to do PPE story.

Cookie

Cookie said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

If Boris sacked him today, would be done and dusted by Monday. Instead the media will drag it out for weeks.

Yes, I can't see an upside for Boris in not doing so. It can't be any esteem for his abilities or any personal affection for the man.

Actually, I can see a small upside - perhaps he's keeping him in place just to punish him.

Rationally, I just want him replaced by someone competent and sane.
Emotionally, I want a show trial that lasts for days and days and days.

rcs1000

As an aside, the England "in hospital" numbers were pretty good again today. There's no sign of Delta causing any concerning surge in the number of people in hospital with Covid.

Basically: vaccines are working as we'd hope, breaking the link between infections and hospitalisations. And one would expect that as (a) more people get vaccinated, and (b) Delta runs through younger (less vulnerable) populations, then it will burn itself out.

Where's @Chris at a time like this, eh?

Sean_F

Floater said:

Coronavirus latest news: Scotland’s Covid rate is more than double England’s, new figures reveal


Shut the border !!!

I don't see the pointing of hanging on to a liability.

kle4

Scott_xP said:

...

Actually not among his best.

Omnium

MarqueeMark said:

I can't see why Boris is hanging on to Hancock, other than from preventing Cummings getting some grim satisfaction at having nailed his man...

It's a really good Boris trait in my view. He stands by his team. The whole reshuffle thing never works and always conveys weakness. At least in this Boris gets top marks. (I think Hancock may well go - just depends on his wife, and what her view is.)

rottenborough

She's nailed it.


Julia Hartley-Brewer
@JuliaHB1
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3h
Social distancing rules 2021

17 April 6 May

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1408419962662817797

Cookie

rcs1000 said:

As an aside, the England "in hospital" numbers were pretty good again today. There's no sign of Delta causing any concerning surge in the number of people in hospital with Covid.

Basically: vaccines are working as we'd hope, breaking the link between infections and hospitalisations. And one would expect that as (a) more people get vaccinated, and (b) Delta runs through younger (less vulnerable) populations, then it will burn itself out.

Where's @Chris at a time like this, eh?

NW hospitalisations (remember, as ever, the North West leads the way) are still looking good. There'll no doubt be bumps in the road downward, especially as Liverpool and its neighbours are seeing a surge in cases, but every reason for encouragement.

Jonathan

Omnium said:

MarqueeMark said:

I can't see why Boris is hanging on to Hancock, other than from preventing Cummings getting some grim satisfaction at having nailed his man...

It's a really good Boris trait in my view. He stands by his team. The whole reshuffle thing never works and always conveys weakness. At least in this Boris gets top marks. (I think Hancock may well go - just depends on his wife, and what her view is.)

Nah. Boris can’t sack anyone for shagging around.

TheScreamingEagles

New photos emerge of Matt Hancock's affair.

TheScreamingEagles

rcs1000 said:

As an aside, the England "in hospital" numbers were pretty good again today. There's no sign of Delta causing any concerning surge in the number of people in hospital with Covid.

Basically: vaccines are working as we'd hope, breaking the link between infections and hospitalisations. And one would expect that as (a) more people get vaccinated, and (b) Delta runs through younger (less vulnerable) populations, then it will burn itself out.

Where's @Chris at a time like this, eh?

I don't think you appreciate just how time consuming being the smartest person in the room is.

Nearly as time consuming as being a person with legendary modesty.

Omnium

TheScreamingEagles said:

rcs1000 said:

As an aside, the England "in hospital" numbers were pretty good again today. There's no sign of Delta causing any concerning surge in the number of people in hospital with Covid.

Basically: vaccines are working as we'd hope, breaking the link between infections and hospitalisations. And one would expect that as (a) more people get vaccinated, and (b) Delta runs through younger (less vulnerable) populations, then it will burn itself out.

Where's @Chris at a time like this, eh?

I don't think you appreciate just how time consuming being the smartest person in the room is.

Nearly as time consuming as being a person with legendary modesty.

When you say 'room' have you noticed the padded nature of the walls?

rcs1000

TheScreamingEagles said:

rcs1000 said:

As an aside, the England "in hospital" numbers were pretty good again today. There's no sign of Delta causing any concerning surge in the number of people in hospital with Covid.

Basically: vaccines are working as we'd hope, breaking the link between infections and hospitalisations. And one would expect that as (a) more people get vaccinated, and (b) Delta runs through younger (less vulnerable) populations, then it will burn itself out.

Where's @Chris at a time like this, eh?

I don't think you appreciate just how time consuming being the smartest person in the room is.

Nearly as time consuming as being a person with legendary modesty.

Oh no, I fully appreciate how time consuming being the smartest person in the room is.

TheScreamingEagles

rottenborough said:

She's nailed it.


Julia Hartley-Brewer
@JuliaHB1
·
3h
Social distancing rules 2021

17 April 6 May

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1408419962662817797

Nah, the Queen had more than 30 people at the funeral.

Big_G_NorthWales

rottenborough said:

Opened my newspaper earlier to find a two page advert from the Government detailing all the petty rules for a wedding. e.g. the speeches must be done outside to avoid use of loud voice inside.

This is all just becoming a joke now.

Not if you are holding a wedding

Carnyx

Jonathan said:

Omnium said:

MarqueeMark said:

I can't see why Boris is hanging on to Hancock, other than from preventing Cummings getting some grim satisfaction at having nailed his man...

It's a really good Boris trait in my view. He stands by his team. The whole reshuffle thing never works and always conveys weakness. At least in this Boris gets top marks. (I think Hancock may well go - just depends on his wife, and what her view is.)

Nah. Boris can’t sack anyone for shagging around.

An interesting counterfactual, like the German invasion of Kent in 1940.

TheScreamingEagles

rcs1000 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rcs1000 said:

As an aside, the England "in hospital" numbers were pretty good again today. There's no sign of Delta causing any concerning surge in the number of people in hospital with Covid.

Basically: vaccines are working as we'd hope, breaking the link between infections and hospitalisations. And one would expect that as (a) more people get vaccinated, and (b) Delta runs through younger (less vulnerable) populations, then it will burn itself out.

Where's @Chris at a time like this, eh?

I don't think you appreciate just how time consuming being the smartest person in the room is.

Nearly as time consuming as being a person with legendary modesty.

Oh no, I fully appreciate how time consuming being the smartest person in the room is.

I know you do, you also attended the finest university in the world, being the smartest person in the room is natural for us.

rcs1000

FPT:

Chelyabinsk said:

rcs1000 said:

Omnium said:

NickPalmer said:

rcs1000 said:

Cookie said:

Middle class people like me, and perhaps OLB tend to know, disproportionately, middle class Muslims with fairly western views. It gives us an impression that Muslims are more western than is typically the case. But clearly these are not terribly representative.

That's certainly true. A Muslim former Goldman colleague of mine was going through a miserable divorce at the time of the gay marriage debate, and came up with the line "Marriage is fucking awful. I don't see why gay people should be exempt."

But it also cuts both ways: highly conservative, speak Bangladeshi at home, go to the Mosque every week, etc may be a large share of the Muslim population, but they are far from 100%.

I'm sure that Cookie is right, but as an MP I met all kinds, and they too vary in intensity. Went to one all-Muslim meeting where one participant argued furiously that it should be illegal to make fun of the Koran. I said that any such law would need to apply to other books that people considered holy too - the Bible, for instance - would he favour that? He paused in mid-flow, hesitated, and said "I suppose so." The others around him looked unsure about the whole thing and moved on to other subjects. One needs to recognise nuance and work on it, not stand back in horror and condemn everyone in sight.

The same applies to WWC people with views that Guardian readers would recoil from. You have to engage.

Islam needs to have a bit more fun and far, far fewer wars. Guardian readers need a good war or two.

It's true: at least with Evangelical pastors in the US, they might preach against sodomy, drugs, prostitution, homesexuality and extra-marital sex, but at least they mostly engage in those practices themselves.

Where the story of the "E" popping, hooker banging Iman?

I was arrested for the alleged use of cocaine. When I was in custody, I was served kebab, and I ate it out of respect. That's how the cocaine – which was mixed in the kebab – got into my body. This served as the basis of the allegations against me.

Brilliant.

Also, could someone let me know which kebab shop that is?

OldKingCole

FPT>

Just come back from a meeting of a u3a Reading Group. 4 'older' ladies and me. We never only discuss the book we're supposed to, always a bit of life and so on, and no-one had a good word to say for Matt Hancock, either on the marital or 'example' front.
I don't think anyone thought Boris would sack him, though.

Not sure how they all normally vote; one is definitely Labour but I've never, and won't ever, ask the others. Suspect two are Tory voters; this is Witham, after all!

The book we were supposed to be discussing was Edward St Aubyn's 'Patrick Melrose', which none of us liked, and which several of us, including the 'write-ins' gave a very nasty view of 'upper class' society.

The other topic of conversation was the s**t state of General Medical Practice at the moment.

Big_G_NorthWales

Poll on Hancock

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1408429823899361283?s=19

TheScreamingEagles

rottenborough said:

Opened my newspaper earlier to find a two page advert from the Government detailing all the petty rules for a wedding. e.g. the speeches must be done outside to avoid use of loud voice inside.

This is all just becoming a joke now.

Well at least you're not banging on about false positives this year.

DecrepiterJohnL

rottenborough said:

Oh...


Adam Brooks
@EssexPR
·
39m
Hancock’s mistresses brother got Government contracts…
My god it gets worse.

#SackHancock

Hancock's own sister's company got a contract. A company in which Matt Hancock himself is a shareholder. But don't worry. The government has already investigated and cleared Hancock.

The potential for corruption in awarding no-bid contracts, as well as employing mates as non-executive directors to get round the SpAd rules (themselves not very arduous) might one day bring the government down, though it's more likely to be a 4-page centrefold special in Private Eye before everyone moves on.

TheScreamingEagles

DecrepiterJohnL said:

rottenborough said:

Oh...


Adam Brooks
@EssexPR
·
39m
Hancock’s mistresses brother got Government contracts…
My god it gets worse.

#SackHancock

Hancock's own sister's company got a contract. A company in which Matt Hancock himself is a shareholder. But don't worry. The government has already investigated and cleared Hancock.

The potential for corruption in awarding no-bid contracts, as well as employing mates as non-executive directors to get round the SpAd rules (themselves not very arduous) might one day bring the government down, though it's more likely to be a 4-page centrefold special in Private Eye before everyone moves on.

Wasn't his sister's company in Wales where the NHS is run by that living God Mark Drakeford, as PBers know everything he does is brilliant.

Sean_F

rcs1000 said:

As an aside, the England "in hospital" numbers were pretty good again today. There's no sign of Delta causing any concerning surge in the number of people in hospital with Covid.

Basically: vaccines are working as we'd hope, breaking the link between infections and hospitalisations. And one would expect that as (a) more people get vaccinated, and (b) Delta runs through younger (less vulnerable) populations, then it will burn itself out.

Where's @Chris at a time like this, eh?

The admissions and numbers in hospital data are extremely encouraging.

DecrepiterJohnL

OT "our" NHS has just texted me details of two pop-up vaccination centres tomorrow. I do not think everyone appreciates how little notice these things get. As it happens, I've already had both jabs, one of which was on a same-day basis.

rcs1000

Cookie said:

rcs1000 said:

As an aside, the England "in hospital" numbers were pretty good again today. There's no sign of Delta causing any concerning surge in the number of people in hospital with Covid.

Basically: vaccines are working as we'd hope, breaking the link between infections and hospitalisations. And one would expect that as (a) more people get vaccinated, and (b) Delta runs through younger (less vulnerable) populations, then it will burn itself out.

Where's @Chris at a time like this, eh?

NW hospitalisations (remember, as ever, the North West leads the way) are still looking good. There'll no doubt be bumps in the road downward, especially as Liverpool and its neighbours are seeing a surge in cases, but every reason for encouragement.

NW "in hospital" appears to have peaked about five days ago. Week-over-week will hopefully go negative in the next few days.

Mexicanpete

FrancisUrquhart said:

If Boris sacked him today, would be done and dusted by Monday. Instead the media will drag it out for weeks.

However Johnson's claim on Wednesday that Labour are jabbering whilst the Conservatives are jabbing should be rammed down the public's throat this weekend. If the Government does that Hancock's tryst will go away, and Galloway has already won B and S for his boy Johnson, so moving on...

OldKingCole

Mexicanpete said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

If Boris sacked him today, would be done and dusted by Monday. Instead the media will drag it out for weeks.

However Johnson's claim on Wednesday that Labour are jabbering whilst the Conservatives are jabbing should be rammed down the public's throat this weekend. If the Government does that Hancock's tryst will go away, and Galloway has already won B and S for his boy Johnson, so moving on...

Yes, Galloway is coming across as a Tory glove puppet.

TheScreamingEagles

I think what will save Hancock in the short term is

1) England v. Germany

and

2) The B&S by election.

I suspect focus will be on those two.

(That's assuming nothing else comes out about the affair.)

LostPassword

MarqueeMark said:

I can't see why Boris is hanging on to Hancock, other than from preventing Cummings getting some grim satisfaction at having nailed his man...

My recollection might be faulty, but I think you only resign from Johnson's cabinet/inner circle if you cross either his special adviser (Javid who refused to have his special advisers chosen for him) or his wife (Cummings who was on the wrong side of a palace coup). No-one else ever resigns. You don't resign for bullying. You don't resign for incompetence. You don't resign for hypocrisy. You don't resign for lying to the Commons. You don't resign for any reason that might matter to the general public - only for ending up on the wrong side of whoever has Johnson's ear.

The contrast with the way he treated those MPs who wanted a smidgen of extra Parliamentary scrutiny of his Brexit deal - perhaps a bit of extra scrutiny of the Northern Ireland protocol would have been a good idea? - with the way that serial incompetence and the breaking of political norms within his Cabinet is treated demonstrates how far the Johnson Ministry has debased our political culture.

That is why Johnson is hanging onto Hancock. It's yet another act of establishing a political culture where standards of any sort do not matter, except being in with the ruling clique. He can't give it all up now by conceding that people might have to resign for reasons remotely connected to good governance.

TheScreamingEagles

If Matt Hancock could resign around 1pm on Sunday that would be great, I've got some awesome headlines and puns ready.

TimT

TheScreamingEagles said:

I think what will save Hancock in the short term is

1) England v. Germany

and

2) The B&S by election.

I suspect focus will be on those two.

(That's assuming nothing else comes out about the affair.)

So, which way around is it? If England wins, Hancock survives, or vice versa?

Chelyabinsk

TOPPING said:

But a majority? No idea but would it be Islamophobic to say so. Have there been polls? I would be amazed if it was a majority

The link was posted in the last thread by isam; detailed tables are here (table 45, p.119).

Results are based on interviews with 1,081 Muslims aged 18+. Interviews were carried out face-to-face, and fieldwork took place between 25 April and 31 May 2015. The data has been weighted by age, gender, region and work status.

For each of the following statements, please tell me to what extent you agree or disagree with each one: Homosexuality should be legal in Britain

Strongly agree: 8%
Tend to agree: 10%
Neither agree nor disagree: 22%
Don't know: 8%
Tend to disagree: 14%
Strongly disagree: 38%
Total agree: 18%
Total disagree: 52%

felix

TheScreamingEagles said:

rcs1000 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rcs1000 said:

As an aside, the England "in hospital" numbers were pretty good again today. There's no sign of Delta causing any concerning surge in the number of people in hospital with Covid.

Basically: vaccines are working as we'd hope, breaking the link between infections and hospitalisations. And one would expect that as (a) more people get vaccinated, and (b) Delta runs through younger (less vulnerable) populations, then it will burn itself out.

Where's @Chris at a time like this, eh?

I don't think you appreciate just how time consuming being the smartest person in the room is.

Nearly as time consuming as being a person with legendary modesty.

Oh no, I fully appreciate how time consuming being the smartest person in the room is.

I know you do, you also attended the finest university in the world, being the smartest person in the room is natural for us.

...and Felix makes 3...

Andy_Cooke

Pattern of hospitalisations against cases in England continuing.

Cases by specimen date translucent; hospitalisations seven days lagged in full colour. Dashed lines represent 7-day averages for each.

TheScreamingEagles

TimT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I think what will save Hancock in the short term is

1) England v. Germany

and

2) The B&S by election.

I suspect focus will be on those two.

(That's assuming nothing else comes out about the affair.)

So, which way around is it? If England wins, Hancock survives, or vice versa?

England wins = Hancock survives.

solarflare

Surely a more appropriate punishment is that Hancock has to kiss everyone who has tested positive for covid today.

Cookie

I don't recall a time this board was held a view so unanimously as we appear to on this issue.
The only dissent seems to be exactly what about Matt Hancoxk and his behaviour we find so reprehensible.

eek

3 dead in a stabbing attack in Wurzburg, Germany

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

New photos emerge of Matt Hancock's affair.

Look, minister, when I said I wanted you to put a little prick in me I was talking about being vaccinated.

FrancisUrquhart

Big news lost in the Hancock scandal...in 5 months, only 50 fully vaccinated over 50s have died with covid and nobody under 50 has died and only 3% of total cases.

The vaccines are absolutely smashing it. If you are double vaccinated you really are extremely well protected.

Richard_Nabavi

Andy_Cooke said:

Pattern of hospitalisations against cases in England continuing.

Cases by specimen date translucent; hospitalisations seven days lagged in full colour. Dashed lines represent 7-day averages for each.
[snip]

That's a really excellent visualisation. And it's good news.

Northern_Al

TheScreamingEagles said:

TimT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I think what will save Hancock in the short term is

1) England v. Germany

and

2) The B&S by election.

I suspect focus will be on those two.

(That's assuming nothing else comes out about the affair.)

So, which way around is it? If England wins, Hancock survives, or vice versa?

England wins = Hancock survives.

Maybe Hancock could replace Southgate when England lose then.

Cookie

Chelyabinsk said:

TOPPING said:

But a majority? No idea but would it be Islamophobic to say so. Have there been polls? I would be amazed if it was a majority

The link was posted in the last thread by isam; detailed tables are here (table 45, p.119).

Results are based on interviews with 1,081 Muslims aged 18+. Interviews were carried out face-to-face, and fieldwork took place between 25 April and 31 May 2015. The data has been weighted by age, gender, region and work status.

For each of the following statements, please tell me to what extent you agree or disagree with each one: Homosexuality should be legal in Britain

Strongly agree: 8%
Tend to agree: 10%
Neither agree nor disagree: 22%
Don't know: 8%
Tend to disagree: 14%
Strongly disagree: 38%
Total agree: 18%
Total disagree: 52%

Worth pointing out that it's not all that many generations that you'd have got similar views if you asked this question in England as a whole. These views are old fashioned by a few decades, not a few centuries.

Omnium

OldKingCole said:

Mexicanpete said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

If Boris sacked him today, would be done and dusted by Monday. Instead the media will drag it out for weeks.

However Johnson's claim on Wednesday that Labour are jabbering whilst the Conservatives are jabbing should be rammed down the public's throat this weekend. If the Government does that Hancock's tryst will go away, and Galloway has already won B and S for his boy Johnson, so moving on...

Yes, Galloway is coming across as a Tory glove puppet.

More a glove-puppet of the left. The Tories really don't care about B&S in the big scheme of things. The main idea is that Starmer is undermined again.

Should B&S go Tory though I've no doubt it'll get a little light shone on its causes.

BigRich

FPT:

BigRich said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

moonshine said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Yesterday saw 221,534 first doses given and 177,813 second jabs......

This getting worse..

We are deep into the dregs of people that can’t be arsed getting vaccinated. If you want a million a day you’re going to have to wait for third doses to kick in to the stats.

I don't believe that is correct. Apparently several million have booked for jabs, but not enough capacity to get through them, many have been given appointments several weeks away.

I relay don't believe that 7 million have booked a job (first jab), there are only 9 and a bit million unjaded adults, so unless only 2 million are not taking it 7 million does not make sense. at around 200,000 first jabs a day, 7 million would imply we are fully booked for 5 weeks, the longest wait Iv heard on here was for 2 weeks and most have been less than that.

Perhaps it was 7 million have not yet booked, implying that 2 million have booked but not had one yet, which would imply 10 days to go, some areas more some less, A few more will book in that time so perhaps 2 to 3 weeks, which will take up to around 47.5 million first doses which is about 90%.

But always open to new information where did you hear/see that 7 million waiting number do you have a link?

Gardenwalker

Cookie said:

I don't recall a time this board was held a view so unanimously as we appear to on this issue.
The only dissent seems to be exactly what about Matt Hancoxk and his behaviour we find so reprehensible.

Is it because he’s a sweating, dart-eyed mountebank?

FrancisUrquhart

The government will ask the Parole Board to look again at its decision to release a double child killer who was the first murderer to be convicted using DNA evidence.

ydoethur

FrancisUrquhart said:

Big news lost in the Hancock scandal...in 5 months, only 50 fully vaccinated over 50s have died with covid and nobody under 50 has died and only 3% of total cases.

The vaccines are absolutely smashing it. If you are double vaccinated you really are extremely well protected.

Indie Sage must be more gutted than Eric Pickles.

BigRich

solarflare said:

Surely a more appropriate punishment is that Hancock has to kiss everyone who has tested positive for covid today.

That's just mean, after all, they have all had one bit of bad news already.

DecrepiterJohnL

China vs Israel. Both countries' scientists have announced new human ancestors this week.

Israel: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57586315
China: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57432104

TheScreamingEagles

Gardenwalker said:

Cookie said:

I don't recall a time this board was held a view so unanimously as we appear to on this issue.
The only dissent seems to be exactly what about Matt Hancoxk and his behaviour we find so reprehensible.

Is it because he’s a sweating, dart-eyed mountebank?

Full disclosure: I like Matt Hancock, met him a few times.

solarflare

BigRich said:

solarflare said:

Surely a more appropriate punishment is that Hancock has to kiss everyone who has tested positive for covid today.

That's just mean, after all, they have all had one bit of bad news already.

That's true, we need to sweeten it for them somehow. They're allowed to knee him in the bollocks after it, or something.

BigRich

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Big news lost in the Hancock scandal...in 5 months, only 50 fully vaccinated over 50s have died with covid and nobody under 50 has died and only 3% of total cases.

The vaccines are absolutely smashing it. If you are double vaccinated you really are extremely well protected.

Indie Sage must be more gutted than Eric Pickles.

Am i missing something, why is Erik Pickles gutted? is there an 'in-joke' I don't get?

ydoethur

Cookie said:

I don't recall a time this board was held a view so unanimously as we appear to on this issue.
The only dissent seems to be exactly what about Matt Hancoxk and his behaviour we find so reprehensible.

Because he’s a useless tosser with the whiff of dodgy dealings about his actions, whom everyone intensely dislikes.

If he were popular and effective, people would be much less inclined to be censorious.

It shouldn’t be that way - what they were doing should be a disciplinary regardless of niceness/competence - but it is.

ydoethur

BigRich said:

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Big news lost in the Hancock scandal...in 5 months, only 50 fully vaccinated over 50s have died with covid and nobody under 50 has died and only 3% of total cases.

The vaccines are absolutely smashing it. If you are double vaccinated you really are extremely well protected.

Indie Sage must be more gutted than Eric Pickles.

Am i missing something, why is Erik Pickles gutted? is there an 'in-joke' I don't get?

Well gutted being a reference to his, shall we say, ample proportions.

Gardenwalker

If you like Gina Coladas.
And getting caught on TV.

Chelyabinsk

Cookie said:

Chelyabinsk said:

TOPPING said:

But a majority? No idea but would it be Islamophobic to say so. Have there been polls? I would be amazed if it was a majority

The link was posted in the last thread by isam; detailed tables are here (table 45, p.119).

Results are based on interviews with 1,081 Muslims aged 18+. Interviews were carried out face-to-face, and fieldwork took place between 25 April and 31 May 2015. The data has been weighted by age, gender, region and work status.

For each of the following statements, please tell me to what extent you agree or disagree with each one: Homosexuality should be legal in Britain

Strongly agree: 8%
Tend to agree: 10%
Neither agree nor disagree: 22%
Don't know: 8%
Tend to disagree: 14%
Strongly disagree: 38%
Total agree: 18%
Total disagree: 52%

Worth pointing out that it's not all that many generations that you'd have got similar views if you asked this question in England as a whole. These views are old fashioned by a few decades, not a few centuries.

A National Opinion Poll extracted from the Daily Mail in October 1965 stated that 63% of people polled disagreed that homosexual acts in private should be criminal. That's, what, 8.2 Scottish generations worth? Of course, that's not the point of posting the statistics: I do wonder if those being so circuitous about criticising Muslims for homophobia have been equally reticent when it comes to criticising Conservatives or Leavers for opinions not held by almost 100% of the bloc.

SandyRentool

PBers may be amused to learn that the three letter station code for the new Woolwich Crossrail station is WWC.

Middle class and/or BAME passengers should not alight here!

FrancisUrquhart

SandyRentool said:

PBers may be amused to learn that the three letter station code for the new Woolwich Crossrail station is WWC.

Middle class and/or BAME passengers should not alight here!

Could have been worse...WC...

Big_G_NorthWales

When Wales beats Denmark tomorrow, and England lose to Germany, with Kane misfiring again, on Tuesday the narrative will be football and then the B&S election will make the headlines

Hancock may get away it it but that does not excuse the fact he should have resigned/ been sacked

Gardenwalker

SandyRentool said:

PBers may be amused to learn that the three letter station code for the new Woolwich Crossrail station is WWC.

Middle class and/or BAME passengers should not alight here!

No middle class passenger would be seen dead at Woolwich Station anyway.

ydoethur

Big_G_NorthWales said:

When Wales beats Denmark tomorrow, and England lose to Germany, with Kane misfiring again, on Tuesday the narrative will be football and then the B&S election will make the headlines

Hancock may get away it it but that does not excuse the fact he should have resigned/ been sacked

Blimey. There’s optimism for you.

The is issue is, if you fired every dodgy minister in Johnson’s government, there would hardly be anyone left. Possibly Sunak, Wallace, Hart, and perhaps Buckland and Truss on a good day. Even among the junior ministers there would be carnage.

Omnium

Big_G_NorthWales said:

When Wales beats Denmark tomorrow, and England lose to Germany, with Kane misfiring again, on Tuesday the narrative will be football and then the B&S election will make the headlines

Hancock may get away it it but that does not excuse the fact he should have resigned/ been sacked

I'd have had you as more of a rugby man rather than worrying about lesser sports.

kinabalu

SandyRentool said:

PBers may be amused to learn that the three letter station code for the new Woolwich Crossrail station is WWC.

Middle class and/or BAME passengers should not alight here!

Ah thanks for the warning. That's a bus for me then.

TheScreamingEagles

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

When Wales beats Denmark tomorrow, and England lose to Germany, with Kane misfiring again, on Tuesday the narrative will be football and then the B&S election will make the headlines

Hancock may get away it it but that does not excuse the fact he should have resigned/ been sacked

Blimey. There’s optimism for you.

The is issue is, if you fired every dodgy minister in Johnson’s government, there would hardly be anyone left. Possibly Sunak, Wallace, Hart, and perhaps Buckland and Truss on a good day. Even among the junior ministers there would be carnage.

Typical arrogance of the Welsh.

It is why Welsh rugby fans are hated across the world.

ping

Big_G_NorthWales said:

When Wales beats Denmark tomorrow, and England lose to Germany, with Kane misfiring again, on Tuesday the narrative will be football and then the B&S election will make the headlines

Hancock may get away it it but that does not excuse the fact he should have resigned/ been sacked

I’ll be cheering on Wales…. While betting on Denmark.

ydoethur

Is this headline writer for real?

Health secretary apologises for breaking social distancing guidelines
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57612441

No_Offence_Alan

I wonder if the author Tom Knox reads this site?
If he does, this might interest him.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57432104

dixiedean

Chelyabinsk said:

Cookie said:

Chelyabinsk said:

TOPPING said:

But a majority? No idea but would it be Islamophobic to say so. Have there been polls? I would be amazed if it was a majority

The link was posted in the last thread by isam; detailed tables are here (table 45, p.119).

Results are based on interviews with 1,081 Muslims aged 18+. Interviews were carried out face-to-face, and fieldwork took place between 25 April and 31 May 2015. The data has been weighted by age, gender, region and work status.

For each of the following statements, please tell me to what extent you agree or disagree with each one: Homosexuality should be legal in Britain

Strongly agree: 8%
Tend to agree: 10%
Neither agree nor disagree: 22%
Don't know: 8%
Tend to disagree: 14%
Strongly disagree: 38%
Total agree: 18%
Total disagree: 52%

Worth pointing out that it's not all that many generations that you'd have got similar views if you asked this question in England as a whole. These views are old fashioned by a few decades, not a few centuries.

A National Opinion Poll extracted from the Daily Mail in October 1965 stated that 63% of people polled disagreed that homosexual acts in private should be criminal. That's, what, 8.2 Scottish generations worth? Of course, that's not the point of posting the statistics: I do wonder if those being so circuitous about criticising Muslims for homophobia have been equally reticent when it comes to criticising Conservatives or Leavers for opinions not held by almost 100% of the bloc.

Your quote continues. "93% believed homosexuals to need psychiatric or medical treatment."
Was removed as a "disease" by the WHO in 1990.

Roger

Probably not. Hancock is a rather more sympathetic character than Cummings. Having said that they are starting to look sleazy as the party increasingly reflects the man in charge

It's the position of Starmer that's interesting. We all knew that Johnson would reveal himself for what he is. The interesting question has been whether Starmer's decency on it's own would be enough. I'm beginning to think the way things are going it could be.

BigRich

Brilliant

TheScreamingEagles said:

New photos emerge of Matt Hancock's affair.

maaarsh

ydoethur said:

Is this headline writer for real?

Health secretary apologises for breaking social distancing guidelines
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57612441

Well that is all the slimy git has apologies for out of his litany of sins.

kinabalu

TOPPING said:

I'm not up on the latest definitions but I think the latter example (Jews/Israel) would probably be true for the majority of British Jews. Israel is a Jewish homeland, the Jewish homeland and hence I can't see anti-semitism in that statement as I would take it to mean the majority of British Jews are emotionally attached to Israel. 100%? No. But a majority.

As to your first example, I would apply the same thinking. 100%? No. But a majority? No idea but would it be Islamophobic to say so. Have there been polls? I would be amazed if it was a majority and that is where the islamophobia would come in to conflate "some" with "all". But I don't think the test is 100%.

But perhaps I am out of touch and need re-educating.

Done you on PT. And you'll be delighted with it.

FrancisUrquhart

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Big news lost in the Hancock scandal...in 5 months, only 50 fully vaccinated over 50s have died with covid and nobody under 50 has died and only 3% of total cases.

The vaccines are absolutely smashing it. If you are double vaccinated you really are extremely well protected.

Indie Sage must be more gutted than Eric Pickles.

They will find aome new road blocks.

Big_G_NorthWales

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

When Wales beats Denmark tomorrow, and England lose to Germany, with Kane misfiring again, on Tuesday the narrative will be football and then the B&S election will make the headlines

Hancock may get away it it but that does not excuse the fact he should have resigned/ been sacked

Blimey. There’s optimism for you.

The is issue is, if you fired every dodgy minister in Johnson’s government, there would hardly be anyone left. Possibly Sunak, Wallace, Hart, and perhaps Buckland and Truss on a good day. Even among the junior ministers there would be carnage.

Rishi, Hunt and Truss are my choices to replace Boris

And yes we are up for it in Wales for tomorrow night

DecrepiterJohnL

OT things you learn... Until reading that Gina of Matt&Gina fame is married to Oliver Tress who founded the Oliver Bonas shops, I'd always believed there was a posh bloke called Oliver Bonas running them.

justin124

Omnium said:

OldKingCole said:

Mexicanpete said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

If Boris sacked him today, would be done and dusted by Monday. Instead the media will drag it out for weeks.

However Johnson's claim on Wednesday that Labour are jabbering whilst the Conservatives are jabbing should be rammed down the public's throat this weekend. If the Government does that Hancock's tryst will go away, and Galloway has already won B and S for his boy Johnson, so moving on...

Yes, Galloway is coming across as a Tory glove puppet.

More a glove-puppet of the left. The Tories really don't care about B&S in the big scheme of things. The main idea is that Starmer is undermined again.

Should B&S go Tory though I've no doubt it'll get a little light shone on its causes.

Galloway is an ogre , but - if Labour lose B&S -Starmer will still rightly be blamed for having held the by election at this time.

Carnyx

solarflare said:

Surely a more appropriate punishment is that Hancock has to kiss everyone who has tested positive for covid today.

It's not every covid carrier's fault they got the pox. You can't impose a mass punishment like that.

Carnyx

Gardenwalker said:

SandyRentool said:

PBers may be amused to learn that the three letter station code for the new Woolwich Crossrail station is WWC.

Middle class and/or BAME passengers should not alight here!

No middle class passenger would be seen dead at Woolwich Station anyway.

Especially now they closed the Royal Artillery Museum to make more room for yuppies, or something.

Cicero

Boris won´t sack Hancock, for fear of being regarded as a hypocrite when further and better particulars of his own private life are released.

However the patience of the country is not limitless and I suspect that that one or another of the next three or four scandals to break this year will finally cut through.

Personally I am furious that I can not get to GB to see my elderly parents because my commitments here mean that even fully jabbed I still could not comply with the insane regulations that BoJos fiasco government insists on because I have no time to spare.

Meanwhile the minister flouts any rule going and that´s OK.

Tory Tossers.

solarflare

Carnyx said:

solarflare said:

Surely a more appropriate punishment is that Hancock has to kiss everyone who has tested positive for covid today.

It's not every covid carrier's fault they got the pox. You can't impose a mass punishment like that.

No, you're quite right. I haven't thought this through.

moonshine

Big_G_NorthWales said:

When Wales beats Denmark tomorrow, and England lose to Germany, with Kane misfiring again, on Tuesday the narrative will be football and then the B&S election will make the headlines

Hancock may get away it it but that does not excuse the fact he should have resigned/ been sacked

The only reason I can think of why a PM would not fire a Cabinet minister for so disgracefully undermining the flagship policy of the government, is because the PM has been doing the same. I start to ponder that Johnson is not long for his job.

rcs1000

Andy_Cooke said:

Pattern of hospitalisations against cases in England continuing.

Cases by specimen date translucent; hospitalisations seven days lagged in full colour. Dashed lines represent 7-day averages for each.

Even that exaggerates the issue, as the growth of the number in hospital is only running at 9% week over week.

TheScreamingEagles

DecrepiterJohnL said:

OT things you learn... Until reading that Gina of Matt&Gina fame is married to Oliver Tress who founded the Oliver Bonas shops, I'd always believed there was a posh bloke called Oliver Bonas running them.

Bonas was the surname of the then girlfriend of Oliver Tress.

IIRC she was the cousin of Prince Harry's ex, Cressida Bonas.

Nemtynakht

TheScreamingEagles said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

rottenborough said:

Oh...


Adam Brooks
@EssexPR
·
39m
Hancock’s mistresses brother got Government contracts…
My god it gets worse.

#SackHancock

Hancock's own sister's company got a contract. A company in which Matt Hancock himself is a shareholder. But don't worry. The government has already investigated and cleared Hancock.

The potential for corruption in awarding no-bid contracts, as well as employing mates as non-executive directors to get round the SpAd rules (themselves not very arduous) might one day bring the government down, though it's more likely to be a 4-page centrefold special in Private Eye before everyone moves on.

Wasn't his sister's company in Wales where the NHS is run by that living God Mark Drakeford, as PBers know everything he does is brilliant.

And they do document shredding - hardly under the influence of a health secretary. That was nonsense - today he should resign. Firstly he is having an affair with his aide - completely inappropriate and unacceptable. Against the ministerial code. And he has not followed the guidance where we rely on each other for it to succeed. I don't think he is as useless as some on here but he is hardly worth keeping. He should have been called forth and despatched first thing this morning before anyone else had the chance to call for his resignation.