Understandably people seem to be focused on the covid hospitalization rate and the consequent "long covid" rate. Do many vaccinated people who suffer the virus also get long covid?
I can't believe the rates would be very high at all, your body has "seen" the virus once you're vaccinated; the novel part is knocked out the equation which is what makes it so risky (I think !)
That was more of a penalty than the one VAR awarded against Robertson in the Brighton match earlier on this season.
Not PGMOL refs in this one though. I've seen Sterling do that so many times: nowhere to go, heads for the byline nowhere near goal, puts a little stutter in his step in the hope he can trip over a foot...
LONDON, June 18 (Reuters) - The European Union on Friday lost its bid to speed up deliveries of AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccines, the first of its legal challenges against the drugmaker that rocked the bloc as it scrambled to shore up supplies.
So my daughter persuaded me to watch at least some of the bladder kicking. God England are terrible. Where was the play making, where was the running off the ball. Players stood around in the middle of the pitch making no effort to threaten the defence and with their hands in the air asking for the ball. Why? What is the point of passing to someone who is stood there looking as threatening as the Eddystone Lighthouse?
As a rule I do want England to do well in sporting competitions but by the end I was hoping the Scots would sneak a winner. They deserved it more.
From a Scotland perspective sort of predictable...lose the first game, hang on for a nervy draw in the second to give you a shot of qualifying if you win the third. But every time it plays out this way we get a humping in the final game.
England playing walking football in a tournament, causing the fans to throw their telly out the window, Scotland celebrating a draw like they have one hand on the Jules Rimet Trophy....
I'm trying to understand this football thing. Is it actually in the rules that every other pass needs to be back to the defenders in your own half?
Not exactly, but just as government makes better sense if you think it is run by a cabal of its enemies, watching England on a bad day makes better sense if you think you get points for sending the ball over or round the net while falling over, and that the qualification for playing for Scotland is looking like a career criminal.
It's remarkable how a squad with so many players who have won stuff or been in major finals this season can be turned into something so dull and ineffective. I don't even buy the "they're all knackered" argument, because that surely applies to many other nations as well. I'd feel better if it had been a decent match and Scotland had nicked it with a late goal, England slogging on with no ideas is worse.
I am surprised people think we normally play good football under him - the World Cup was just as turgid - Scraped past Tunisia, thrashed Paraguay, reserves lost to Belgium's reserves; Crap vs Colombia, efficient but boring vs Sweden, knocked out by Croatia, crap against Belgium
It's remarkable how a squad with so many players who have won stuff or been in major finals this season can be turned into something so dull and ineffective. I don't even buy the "they're all knackered" argument, because that surely applies to many other nations as well. I'd feel better if it had been a decent match and Scotland had nicked it with a late goal, England slogging on with no ideas is worse.
No its Southgate, he takes all these world class players that we see every week ripping it up in the EPL abd Champions League and drills a conservative negative safety first at all costs approach.
It was the right approach in 2018, because we didn't really have the talent. Now loads of talent, but he sticks to the same slow slow slow slow approach.
Watch France, Holland, Belgium, Italy, they all play with intensity.
Happy with that. Scotland was a possible banana skin, with the unique emotion of the game, and we haven't slipped up. The draw is fine. Clean sheet a bonus. Bound to progress to the knockout now and plenty still in the tank. It's looking on.
I am surprised people think we normally play good football under him - the World Cup was just as turgid - Scraped past Tunisia, thrashed Paraguay, reserves lost to Belgium's reserves; Crap vs Colombia, efficient but boring vs Sweden, knocked out by Croatia, crap against Belgium
The thing is the coach, Steve Holland....he is the famed Crewe youth coach who brought through all the anazing attacking talent from there and Crewe famed at the time for playing fantastic creative exciting football.
But old waistcoat inner defender...no no never give that ball away, what we want to do is pass it around at walking pace for 75 mins.
Happy with that. Scotland was a possible banana skin, with the unique emotion of the game, and we haven't slipped up. The draw is fine. Clean sheet a bonus. Bound to progress to the knockout now and plenty still in the tank. It's looking on.
Happy with that. Scotland was a possible banana skin, with the unique emotion of the game, and we haven't slipped up. The draw is fine. Clean sheet a bonus. Bound to progress to the knockout now and plenty still in the tank. It's looking on.
I am surprised people think we normally play good football under him - the World Cup was just as turgid - Scraped past Tunisia, thrashed Paraguay, reserves lost to Belgium's reserves; Crap vs Colombia, efficient but boring vs Sweden, knocked out by Croatia, crap against Belgium
I am surprised people think we normally play good football under him - the World Cup was just as turgid - Scraped past Tunisia, thrashed Paraguay, reserves lost to Belgium's reserves; Crap vs Colombia, efficient but boring vs Sweden, knocked out by Croatia, crap against Belgium
I can't believe we're settling for a draw against bloody Scotland at Wembley. Absolute Keir Starmer stuff.
May be they want to be second in the group?
Yes we don't want to win the group. We want 2nd. A draw vs CZ in the final group game is the next move.
That's a good line.
WE LET THEM DRAW !!!
Not quite saying that. It's just that a rule of football is that where both sides are happy with a draw you usually get a draw. That's what happened here.
I can't believe we're settling for a draw against bloody Scotland at Wembley. Absolute Keir Starmer stuff.
May be they want to be second in the group?
Yes we don't want to win the group. We want 2nd. A draw vs CZ in the final group game is the next move.
That's a good line.
WE LET THEM DRAW !!!
Not quite saying that. It's just that a rule of football is that where both sides are happy with a draw you usually get a draw. That's what happened here.
Scotland may well look on that as 2 points dropped.
Harry Kane is never fully fit. Good job we picked a load of different strikers rather than 27 defenders....
We picked another out and out number 9. He stayed on the bench.
We did, but a very similar type of player. We don't have any "fox in the box" for instance. But we have so many right and left backs, we could have a full team of them.
These kind of games are easily forgotten if the team does ok on the whole
1-1 vs ROI in Italia 90 1-1 vs Switzerland in 1996
The tournaments are still looked back at fondly. Apart from both Holland and Germany games in 90 & 96, I struggle to think of quality England performances at a tournament… and we only won one of those four!
Harry Kane is never fully fit. Good job we picked a load of different strikers rather than 27 defenders....
We picked another out and out number 9. He stayed on the bench.
We did, but a very similar type of player. We don't have any "fox in the box" for instance. But we have so many right and left backs, we could have a full team of them.
Only making 2 subs is strange though, when 5 are at your disposal.
Harry Kane is never fully fit. Good job we picked a load of different strikers rather than 27 defenders....
We picked another out and out number 9. He stayed on the bench.
We did, but a very similar type of player. We don't have any "fox in the box" for instance. But we have so many right and left backs, we could have a full team of them.
Only making 2 subs is strange though, when 5 are at your disposal.
Too risky.....you know Jude Bellingham looks great, noooooo too risky ...Sancho oh no... Calvert-Lewin ohhhhh no no no.
Happy with that. Scotland was a possible banana skin, with the unique emotion of the game, and we haven't slipped up. The draw is fine. Clean sheet a bonus. Bound to progress to the knockout now and plenty still in the tank. It's looking on.
Pull the other one.
It was a terrible performance.
But fine in the context of the tournament. You don't want extravagant performances in the group games. Only one thing matters - getting through. We've done that and are looking at a very winnable last 16 match so long as we avoid beating the Czechs. Then it's quarter final and that's lift off. That is when it gets real and it's either coming home or it isn't. I'm feeling positive. More so than if we'd done something flashy tonight.
Harry Kane is never fully fit. Good job we picked a load of different strikers rather than 27 defenders....
We picked another out and out number 9. He stayed on the bench.
We did, but a very similar type of player. We don't have any "fox in the box" for instance. But we have so many right and left backs, we could have a full team of them.
Only making 2 subs is strange though, when 5 are at your disposal.
I didnt watch it but I wonder how many times a player actually beat a man when going forwards at pace. I would hazard a guess at zero.
Happy with that. Scotland was a possible banana skin, with the unique emotion of the game, and we haven't slipped up. The draw is fine. Clean sheet a bonus. Bound to progress to the knockout now and plenty still in the tank. It's looking on.
Pull the other one.
It was a terrible performance.
But fine in the context of the tournament. You don't want extravagant performances in the group games. Only one thing matters - getting through. We've done that and are looking at a very winnable last 16 match so long as we avoid beating the Czechs. Then it's quarter final and that's lift off. That is when it gets real and it's either coming home or it isn't. I'm feeling positive. More so than if we'd done something flashy tonight.
Well. If we are relying on not beating the Czechs then we certainly have played ourselves into suitable form.
Harry Kane is never fully fit. Good job we picked a load of different strikers rather than 27 defenders....
We picked another out and out number 9. He stayed on the bench.
We did, but a very similar type of player. We don't have any "fox in the box" for instance. But we have so many right and left backs, we could have a full team of them.
Only making 2 subs is strange though, when 5 are at your disposal.
Too risky.....you know Jude Bellingham looks great, noooooo too risky ...Sancho oh no... Calvert-Lewin ohhhhh no no no.
Sancho for Rice or Phillips with 20 to go would have made sense. Only need one holding midfielder really, and Mount can play deeper
Ho hum - betting for a living means opposing England regularly. I have reached the stage where I’d rather win money and don’t feel at all conflicted about hoping England don’t score/win. Not quite there with the Arsenal, but getting close
FFS. We were awful. Just scared to lose. Big occasion got to our young players. Credit to Scotland, they edged it (although we certainly should have had a pen).
FFS. We were awful. Just scared to lose. Big occasion got to our young players. Credit to Scotland, they edged it (although we certainly should have had a pen).
Performance worse than the current vaccine numbers ;-)
These kind of games are easily forgotten if the team does ok on the whole
1-1 vs ROI in Italia 90 1-1 vs Switzerland in 1996
The tournaments are still looked back at fondly. Apart from both Holland and Germany games in 90 & 96, I struggle to think of quality England performances at a tournament… and we only won one of those four!
Exactly! We are not Brazil 70 or Holland 74 or France 84. We've only got a couple of great games in us and we have to use them with spot on timing. That plus the breaks = trophy.
Maybe this Century will see a reversion back to Conservative/Liberal and Labour will decline... Nothing more than a 20th century fad that only won with four leaders (McDonald, Atlee, Wilson and Blair) in 100 years?
It would be amusing if the Liberals in one form or another were to win an outright majority how long it would take them, like Trudeau, to suddenly understand the wonders of FPTP.
Attachment of Justin Trudeau's Liberal Party of Canada hardly sudden, as Grits have been contesting elections - provincial as well as federal - on that basis since before 1867. And while they've endured several severe defeats under FPTP (just 34 of 308 seats in 2011 GE) for most of confederation the Liberals have been THE Party of Government in the Great White North.
Of course the British Liberal Party had zero problem with FPTP in the age of Gladstone v Disraeli, and for decades thereafter. Wonder why?
No need to wonder, Mr Irish. The 1910 Liberal government was on the point of changing the voting system to a proportional one - but then it was blow off course by other issues, like the Irish question, women's suffrage and the German invasion of Belgium.
Nevertheless, when the Irish Republic was set up, it was with the same proportional voting system, which it enjoys to this day and which the rest of the country was so cruelly deprived of.
Cruelly deprived of...if not having PR is cruelty then sign me up as a masochist. By all means though continue to campaign on it as its a purely technocratic thing that most people really don't care about. You won't get it past a referendum
Except that in Ireland, when the party in power has tried to get rid of PR via a referendum, the people have always voted to keep their PR system. The Irish people are both well informed and experienced, and know that a proper PR system gives them power over the politicians.
Except that in the UK, when the party in power has tried to get rid of FPTP via a referendum, the people have always voted to keep their FPTP system. The British people are both well informed and experienced, and know that a proper FPTP system gives them power over the politicians.
Get rid of FPTP and introducing PR are two quite different things, Mr Thompson. Conservatives always do their best to confuse people - and in your case they seem to have succeeded.
When we last had a referendum, it was to introduce the AV system -- not to support or otherwise FPTP. And AV has nothing at all to do with PR.
In fact, at the time of the referendum, the line from the Conservative Party was "If you really want PR, vote now against AV, and we will introduce PR at a later date." Surely you remember that?
No I don't remember that. I'd love you to quote anything official from the Conservative Party saying they'd introduce PR, because I'm pretty sure that's not the case.
You know full well that the Conservative Party says whatever is needed in order to win an election. Our PB Tories keep telling us that. In official documents they say one thing, and in the media their candidates and MPs will say something quite different. I think they call this "messaging". The aim, in this case, was to persuade Lib Dem voters not to support AV. I felt very tempted. But, of course, you cannot trust the Tories.
You had a specific quote regarding the Tory party messaging during the AV referendum. I don't recall that ever being said.
Happy with that. Scotland was a possible banana skin, with the unique emotion of the game, and we haven't slipped up. The draw is fine. Clean sheet a bonus. Bound to progress to the knockout now and plenty still in the tank. It's looking on.
We won't, because we're on ITV again on Tuesday. I'm slightly obsessed with the ITV thing. There's absolutely no conceivable reason why England can only put in half-decent performances on BBC. And yet the stats don't lie. All of our most satisfying performances are on BBC. All of our most disappointing ones on ITV. It's weird. Surely ITV must notice? There must be a real dissonance being Mark Pougatch, trying to ramp up optimism but having never presented a decent performance.
What this all does show is that England are disappointing at least half the time. By those standards, it wasn't a terrible performance.
Anyway - nailed on another glumfest on Tuesady. But four 0oints hould be enough to see us through to the next round where hopefully we'll be on the BBC before going out to ITV in the quarters.
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Chaos in LOTO this evening, as Starmer’s Comms director Ben Nunn, and his deputy Paul Ovenden quit their roles
https://twitter.com/sidlowe/status/1405988893892222978
Why would anyone want to self identify as Welsh is beyond me.
Absolute Keir Starmer stuff.
Current talking point on Euro Twitter.
At least for some a squirrel for the Az judgement !
Decent effort by Scotland. Four points could be enough for them.
This England team deserve it.
As a rule I do want England to do well in sporting competitions but by the end I was hoping the Scots would sneak a winner. They deserved it more.
Hey ho, on balance I'll still take it :-D
England playing walking football in a tournament, causing the fans to throw their telly out the window, Scotland celebrating a draw like they have one hand on the Jules Rimet Trophy....
It was the right approach in 2018, because we didn't really have the talent. Now loads of talent, but he sticks to the same slow slow slow slow approach.
Watch France, Holland, Belgium, Italy, they all play with intensity.
What does Wales's route to the final look like?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/18/eu-fails-in-court-action-to-secure-urgent-120m-doses-of-oxford-covid-vaccine
But old waistcoat inner defender...no no never give that ball away, what we want to do is pass it around at walking pace for 75 mins.
It was a terrible performance.
WE LET THEM DRAW !!!
https://twitter.com/StigAbell/status/1405995233662361608?s=20
(written in a language you don't understand)
He stayed on the bench.
From the days when the daily mash actually had a funny writer (though he always started better than he finished).
1-1 vs ROI in Italia 90
1-1 vs Switzerland in 1996
The tournaments are still looked back at fondly. Apart from both Holland and Germany games in 90 & 96, I struggle to think of quality England performances at a tournament… and we only won one of those four!
Ho hum - betting for a living means opposing England regularly. I have reached the stage where I’d rather win money and don’t feel at all conflicted about hoping England don’t score/win. Not quite there with the Arsenal, but getting close
2. Looking at the Eriksen tribute during the Denmark-Belgium match. Thousands of closely packed fans vs the odd fan here and there at Wembley.
I'm slightly obsessed with the ITV thing. There's absolutely no conceivable reason why England can only put in half-decent performances on BBC. And yet the stats don't lie. All of our most satisfying performances are on BBC. All of our most disappointing ones on ITV. It's weird.
Surely ITV must notice? There must be a real dissonance being Mark Pougatch, trying to ramp up optimism but having never presented a decent performance.
What this all does show is that England are disappointing at least half the time. By those standards, it wasn't a terrible performance.
Anyway - nailed on another glumfest on Tuesady. But four 0oints hould be enough to see us through to the next round where hopefully we'll be on the BBC before going out to ITV in the quarters.