Mail at it again i see with this headline Covid cases soar 36% amid fears Boris will delay unlocking BEYOND July 19 and may even REVERSE his road-map - despite desperate vaccine push
Who,is,writing for,them now. Independent sage and zero,covid zealots.
lord knows if i took the mail seriously id end up schizophrenic
Quite surprised OGH has got a time machine to get the C and A results from the 2917 general election
Surely we became a part of the Grand Federation of Planets, subdivision earth, in 2852 and the subsequent Brexit did not occur until after the 2934 election?
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
The BMA said this morning no other Country in Europe was unlocking or near to
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
The BMA said this morning no other Country in Europe was unlocking or near to
"Museums, theaters, cinemas and a wide range of other venues can reopen across The Netherlands from June 5, Prime Minister Mark Rutte announced late Friday.
"This is actually the end of the lockdown," he told a news conference.
Restaurants will be allowed to offer indoor dining again and opening hours can be extended until 10pm. The Dutch will also be allowed to invite up to four people to their homes instead of two.
However, employees should still go to workplaces as little as possible, for the time being. "We're not there yet," Rutte cautioned.
A strict lockdown has been in place since mid-December.
Rutte predicted the vaccination campaign will bring more improvements , although the summer will not yet be "completely normal." The government is still warning that travelling entails risks.
If the number of infections and hospitalizations continue to move in the right direction, more restrictions will be relaxed from June 30, Rutte added.
Citizens will then be allowed to host up to eight people in their homes and restaurants and bars will be permitted to stay open until midnight."
It does seem that we're frequently describing our own remaining restrictions as "lockdown" whilst other countries continuing to follow remaining restrictions are "out of lockdown"
I think the term has been hopelessly eroded. I mean, I went to the cinema weeks ago. I've eaten out in restaurants indoors and gone to pubs frequently. And been able to go indoors with more than four people.
Quite!
Today's threads had some absolute nonsense comments (not this matter particularly, but the general fantasising about reality) and it's very tiresome. Almost as bad as the run-up to a GE. And, still to come this evening, the ceremonial throwing of toys out of prams.
--AS
I think the main issue with this delay is the precedent it sets. If a delay is based on what might be rather than what is it makes one wonder what is to stop further delays.
Not seen many constructive replies addressing this point. At best it is more people will have been jabbed/jabbed twice. If that is the case lets set a clear release date when those numbers reach x.
The reality is this lockdown life suits a lot of people, most of them government voters. They have become the client state and their votes make the end of lockdown very hard to get to.
Back to the seasonality question. It's been warm and sunny, and people have been out and about in the fresh air. Might that account for some of the levelling off in case rises recently?
If so then the biblical deluge we're all about to be subjected to from Thursday onwards, for several days at least, isn't good news. Maxima of 13-14C on Friday and mid teens at the weekend under leaden skies and torrential downpours. Los of friends and family crowding indoors.
Maxima of 14c where? Scotland? The London forecast is for 20c on Saturday.
13-14C on Friday pretty widely including London. Mid teens for much of the country on Saturday but warmer (and muggy) South of the Thames into Sussex, Kent and Hants, and colder (11-12C) in much of the North. A total of between 40 and 60mm rainfall currently modelled from Thursday to Saturday in the SE.
Based on the most recent runs of the ECMWF and GFS models.
Followed, by the way (and I really hope the latest GFS output is over-egging it) by maxima in Central England of 12,11, 11, 11 from Sunday to Wednesday next week inclusive. For comparison they modelled today at 28C in London, and London was 28C.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
The BMA said this morning no other Country in Europe was unlocking or near to
If they're "guidelines" they aren't "law" - so they can't be "illegal".....
The Rozzers don't know the law and try and bully the public with arrest?
I am even more shocked than when it turned out Contrarian isn't in touch with the public when it comes to Covid-19
One piece of advice that I've seen you and other legal people on here give is to never accept a police caution, it came in handy for one of my friends who was just walking through a crime scene but the police picked him out as a suspect from CCTV. They wanted to give him a caution, he refused and said either arrest and charge what you have or fuck off. Obviously they fucked off. I've posted that advice in our WhatsApp group loads of times and he said afterwards if he hadn't had the advice he'd probably have accepted the caution without realising it would destroy his career in financial services.
Golden rules for dealing with the rozzers
1) Never ever accept a caution
2) Never speak to police without legal representation (preferably your own if you can afford it, duty sols are massively overworked and even more underpaid but still better than nothing.)
If the media really wanted to focus on police misconduct they should go for cautions. The amount of times they've told people that should accept a caution and they'll walk out of the police station without a stain on their record otherwise they'll have a very messy media focussed trial is criminal behaviour on the part of the police.
With more and more organisations carrying out DBS checks the police are actively ruining so many lives with their behaviour.
Yup, it was the DBS check that would get him. I have to have one every year as to most people who directly or indirectly handle client money so he does too. He spoke to the legal people provided by his workplace insurance afterwards and they said the advice is to never accept a caution. It's better to get arrested, fight it and then walk away. A caution is a 5 year stain on your record for nothing.
Hopefully, a bit of a labour shortage might do away with the unnecessary DBS checks for posts where it isn't needed. Along with the clean driving licence for jobs which don't require you to drive. Bugbear of mine.
I think tonight's announcement could sink the Tories in Chesham and Amersham, with crucial votes going over to the Reform Party.
Dom Cummings' latest attack on Johnson over the dodgy HS2 data won't have helped the tories either. I have a former tory friend in the constituency who will never vote for them again.
If they're "guidelines" they aren't "law" - so they can't be "illegal".....
The Rozzers don't know the law and try and bully the public with arrest?
I am even more shocked than when it turned out Contrarian isn't in touch with the public when it comes to Covid-19
One piece of advice that I've seen you and other legal people on here give is to never accept a police caution, it came in handy for one of my friends who was just walking through a crime scene but the police picked him out as a suspect from CCTV. They wanted to give him a caution, he refused and said either arrest and charge what you have or fuck off. Obviously they fucked off. I've posted that advice in our WhatsApp group loads of times and he said afterwards if he hadn't had the advice he'd probably have accepted the caution without realising it would destroy his career in financial services.
Golden rules for dealing with the rozzers
1) Never ever accept a caution
2) Never speak to police without legal representation (preferably your own if you can afford it, duty sols are massively overworked and even more underpaid but still better than nothing.)
If the media really wanted to focus on police misconduct they should go for cautions. The amount of times they've told people that should accept a caution and they'll walk out of the police station without a stain on their record otherwise they'll have a very messy media focussed trial is criminal behaviour on the part of the police.
With more and more organisations carrying out DBS checks the police are actively ruining so many lives with their behaviour.
Yup, it was the DBS check that would get him. I have to have one every year as to most people who directly or indirectly handle client money so he does too. He spoke to the legal people provided by his workplace insurance afterwards and they said the advice is to never accept a caution. It's better to get arrested, fight it and then walk away. A caution is a 5 year stain on your record for nothing.
It also ruined a friend's trip to New York, it is something she had wanted to do and have saved for her entire life.
Went with her boyfriend, turns out he had a caution for a minor offence years ago and the Americans sent him back, she was given about 90 minutes to decide if she wanted to go back with him.
I took Mike's advice a while back and placed a bet on the LibDems at 25-1.
The wheels are coming off Johnson's machine.
He has just been laid into by the Speaker for misleading the House of Commons: an extraordinarily furious statement by Lindsey Hoyle.
The roadmap is in tatters. It's obvious, as I said on here a month ago, that controls will continue for months and years. Those who have stolen your rights won't return them.
Peak Boris was May 25th, just before Dom Cummings attacked him.
The long slow (but not necessarily) linear slide is underway. And now we will start to see Johnson for what he really is.
Interesting. I have always thought that eventually Boris Johnson's misdemeanours and incompetence would catch up with him. Not sure it will happen yet though. People still want to give the Puppydog-Eyed-One the benefit of the doubt. I suspect that when Johnson's fall from grace does come it will come fast and no-one except the odd diehard fanboy will want to admit they ever thought much to him. I am guessing that will be in about 2 years from now when the pandemic is largely over.
I'd be interested to see whether there's any vetting of the emails @SimonMcCoyTV is reading out on GB News right now - someone claiming to be a paramedic saying they haven't dealt with a covid patient in three months (when we have thousands of cases a day) sounds a bit @_DHOTYA
Mail at it again i see with this headline Covid cases soar 36% amid fears Boris will delay unlocking BEYOND July 19 and may even REVERSE his road-map - despite desperate vaccine push
Who,is,writing for,them now. Independent sage and zero,covid zealots.
lord knows if i took the mail seriously id end up schizophrenic
It’s poison. It really is (apart from this is money).
Details still being thrashed out, but Boris Johnson to announce a new series of sporting test events with bigger crowds. Events expected to include Euro 2020 games at Wembley, England v India Test, Wimbledon, Open Championship, British Grand Prix & Challenge Cup final.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
The BMA said this morning no other Country in Europe was unlocking or near to
"Museums, theaters, cinemas and a wide range of other venues can reopen across The Netherlands from June 5, Prime Minister Mark Rutte announced late Friday.
"This is actually the end of the lockdown," he told a news conference.
Restaurants will be allowed to offer indoor dining again and opening hours can be extended until 10pm. The Dutch will also be allowed to invite up to four people to their homes instead of two.
However, employees should still go to workplaces as little as possible, for the time being. "We're not there yet," Rutte cautioned.
A strict lockdown has been in place since mid-December.
Rutte predicted the vaccination campaign will bring more improvements , although the summer will not yet be "completely normal." The government is still warning that travelling entails risks.
If the number of infections and hospitalizations continue to move in the right direction, more restrictions will be relaxed from June 30, Rutte added.
Citizens will then be allowed to host up to eight people in their homes and restaurants and bars will be permitted to stay open until midnight."
It does seem that we're frequently describing our own remaining restrictions as "lockdown" whilst other countries continuing to follow remaining restrictions are "out of lockdown"
I think the term has been hopelessly eroded. I mean, I went to the cinema weeks ago. I've eaten out in restaurants indoors and gone to pubs frequently. And been able to go indoors with more than four people.
Quite!
Today's threads had some absolute nonsense comments (not this matter particularly, but the general fantasising about reality) and it's very tiresome. Almost as bad as the run-up to a GE. And, still to come this evening, the ceremonial throwing of toys out of prams.
--AS
I think the main issue with this delay is the precedent it sets. If a delay is based on what might be rather than what is it makes one wonder what is to stop further delays.
Not seen many constructive replies addressing this point. At best it is more people will have been jabbed/jabbed twice. If that is the case lets set a clear release date when those numbers reach x.
The reality is this lockdown life suits a lot of people, most of them government voters. They have become the client state and their votes make the end of lockdown very hard to get to.
They have to keep to their promise to stop financial support. This is the best chance of turning popular opinion, which is vital to this following-rather-than-leading government. If the support gets extended yet again I'll really start to worry.
I'd be interested to see whether there's any vetting of the emails @SimonMcCoyTV is reading out on GB News right now - someone claiming to be a paramedic saying they haven't dealt with a covid patient in three months (when we have thousands of cases a day) sounds a bit @_DHOTYA
I'd be interested to see whether there's any vetting of the emails @SimonMcCoyTV is reading out on GB News right now - someone claiming to be a paramedic saying they haven't dealt with a covid patient in three months (when we have thousands of cases a day) sounds a bit @_DHOTYA
Not as bad as Sky giving a platform to an anti-vaxxer the other day.
The BBC and Sky have regularly had Sunetra Gupta on....even to this day she is trying to claim there was herd immunity this time last year and it was only the changing season, which changes the required level of herd immunity, meant we got another spike...
That just gives rise to anti-vaxxer types who say well I don't need a jab then do I, this Professor lady says we have herd immunity.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
The BMA said this morning no other Country in Europe was unlocking or near to
Good news for Sir Keir - it will make the fightback look even better!
34pc is high for Labour.. trouble for Boris and it could easily get closer to 40pc teflon doesn't.ladt forever
2 less than it was last week!
Which pollster?
This one
The new kids on the block...how much track history to the have.?
Not much, but you cant really use this pollster's Labour number as a base for "quite high" and then dismiss the pollster when I point out they had them higher last week!
Those are amazing figures and shows how frightened the populace have become
Yes, those figures are absolutely staggering and profoundly depressing - do 70% of the population not know any young people? What the hell is the matter with them? Can they not see the damage that is being done as each day under this cloud drags on? We need to start getting back to normal life ASAP or I fear we will never recover the Nation's collective mental health (not to mention repairing the economic devastation).
I simply cannot fathom it - the only explanation I can come up with is a testament to the real scandal of all of this, which is the government's use of fear to control the populace. That is the truly frightening thing, not some virus that all the vulnerable and elderly are now vaccinated against.
For anyone interested in the use of fear to manage covid policy, Laura Dodsworth's recent book deals with this topic and its a quite shocking read.
I am more convinced than ever that we will never get back to pre-covid norms, including the freedoms that we have all-too-meekly surrendered. Shame on us for standing by and accepting the ever-shifting goalposts and shame on the pathetic mainstream media and the woeful opposition parties for failing to challenge this government at every step of the way.
I will not be voting Tory again unless and until they rediscover their conservative backbone - this issue is far too important to just let it slide. I will e-mail my MP Ranil tomorrow just to register my protest with him (and hopefully add to the pile of similar e-mails in his inbox). It won't do any good - he is a Boris yes-man with a stonking majority so he's under no threat but Conservative Central Office needs to know how many of their "natural supporters" they are losing because of this.
I think tonight's announcement could sink the Tories in Chesham and Amersham, with crucial votes going over to the Reform Party.
I doubt it myself but I'd love to see the LDs take the seat. The government have had it easy for far too long. Politics is not meant to be like this. Governments are meant to be unpopular. Especially Tory governments making a godawful mess of things.
I'd be interested to see whether there's any vetting of the emails @SimonMcCoyTV is reading out on GB News right now - someone claiming to be a paramedic saying they haven't dealt with a covid patient in three months (when we have thousands of cases a day) sounds a bit @_DHOTYA
I doubt they would feel similar if it was a close friend or family member's wedding.
People like rules that don't affect them personally.
Turns out, most of the population. I believe @MaxPB has noted this before.
Britain is a country of ageing curtain-twitchers, who glory in the misery of others.
If you want to understand the U.K., read the Daily Mail.
Indeed I have and it's very true. It makes me want to leave the country.
Do it! I have a pretty negative view of what England has become, so I left. Now they can do what they like and I'm safe from their madness north of the wall. Much less worrisome when its Someone Else's Problem.
lol! Scotland is WORSE
Sturgeon will keep them all locked up til 2024 if she can, thus neatly avoiding sindyref2 in the process
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
The BMA said this morning no other Country in Europe was unlocking or near to
If they're "guidelines" they aren't "law" - so they can't be "illegal".....
The Rozzers don't know the law and try and bully the public with arrest?
I am even more shocked than when it turned out Contrarian isn't in touch with the public when it comes to Covid-19
One piece of advice that I've seen you and other legal people on here give is to never accept a police caution, it came in handy for one of my friends who was just walking through a crime scene but the police picked him out as a suspect from CCTV. They wanted to give him a caution, he refused and said either arrest and charge what you have or fuck off. Obviously they fucked off. I've posted that advice in our WhatsApp group loads of times and he said afterwards if he hadn't had the advice he'd probably have accepted the caution without realising it would destroy his career in financial services.
It's also possible to have inappropriate cautions deleted (as it seems this one clearly would have been), so it would not necessarily have destroyed his career. Would have been a serious PITA, though.
Mail at it again i see with this headline Covid cases soar 36% amid fears Boris will delay unlocking BEYOND July 19 and may even REVERSE his road-map - despite desperate vaccine push
Who,is,writing for,them now. Independent sage and zero,covid zealots.
lord knows if i took the mail seriously id end up schizophrenic
It’s poison. It really is (apart from this is money).
Some of the SAGE scientists realising they’ve got a problem if there are limited changes to restriction (even some loosening) and the doomsday models look overcooked?
Reverse the roadmap however? Problem magically goes away! It’s the tightening of restrictions that has done the trick...
I'd be interested to see whether there's any vetting of the emails @SimonMcCoyTV is reading out on GB News right now - someone claiming to be a paramedic saying they haven't dealt with a covid patient in three months (when we have thousands of cases a day) sounds a bit @_DHOTYA
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
The BMA said this morning no other Country in Europe was unlocking or near to
I think tonight's announcement could sink the Tories in Chesham and Amersham, with crucial votes going over to the Reform Party.
I doubt it myself but I'd love to see the LDs take the seat. The government have had it easy for far too long. Politics is not meant to be like this. Governments are meant to be unpopular. Especially Tory governments making a godawful mess of things.
The LD candidate is running on a policy of anti-HS2 and anti-new housebuilding in certain areas. Some LDs have refused to campaign for her because of this alleged nimbyism.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
The BMA said this morning no other Country in Europe was unlocking or near to
"Museums, theaters, cinemas and a wide range of other venues can reopen across The Netherlands from June 5, Prime Minister Mark Rutte announced late Friday.
"This is actually the end of the lockdown," he told a news conference.
Restaurants will be allowed to offer indoor dining again and opening hours can be extended until 10pm. The Dutch will also be allowed to invite up to four people to their homes instead of two.
However, employees should still go to workplaces as little as possible, for the time being. "We're not there yet," Rutte cautioned.
A strict lockdown has been in place since mid-December.
Rutte predicted the vaccination campaign will bring more improvements , although the summer will not yet be "completely normal." The government is still warning that travelling entails risks.
If the number of infections and hospitalizations continue to move in the right direction, more restrictions will be relaxed from June 30, Rutte added.
Citizens will then be allowed to host up to eight people in their homes and restaurants and bars will be permitted to stay open until midnight."
It does seem that we're frequently describing our own remaining restrictions as "lockdown" whilst other countries continuing to follow remaining restrictions are "out of lockdown"
I think the term has been hopelessly eroded. I mean, I went to the cinema weeks ago. I've eaten out in restaurants indoors and gone to pubs frequently. And been able to go indoors with more than four people.
Quite!
Today's threads had some absolute nonsense comments (not this matter particularly, but the general fantasising about reality) and it's very tiresome. Almost as bad as the run-up to a GE. And, still to come this evening, the ceremonial throwing of toys out of prams.
--AS
I think the main issue with this delay is the precedent it sets. If a delay is based on what might be rather than what is it makes one wonder what is to stop further delays.
I do understand, but I think this pandemic *has* to be dealt with partly on what-might-be. By the time we react to what is happening now, it's too late.
At least, I think that's so if we want unlocking to be irreversible: one has to project forward to know whether the next step of unlocking has a reasonable probability of disastrous overload of the NHS. My own view, having looked at the data in some detail, is that it could go one way or the other. In an ideal world, we could unlock and then see how it goes, but if we are determined not to re-lock then I think a delay is the only option left.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
The BMA said this morning no other Country in Europe was unlocking or near to
"Museums, theaters, cinemas and a wide range of other venues can reopen across The Netherlands from June 5, Prime Minister Mark Rutte announced late Friday.
"This is actually the end of the lockdown," he told a news conference.
Restaurants will be allowed to offer indoor dining again and opening hours can be extended until 10pm. The Dutch will also be allowed to invite up to four people to their homes instead of two.
However, employees should still go to workplaces as little as possible, for the time being. "We're not there yet," Rutte cautioned.
A strict lockdown has been in place since mid-December.
Rutte predicted the vaccination campaign will bring more improvements , although the summer will not yet be "completely normal." The government is still warning that travelling entails risks.
If the number of infections and hospitalizations continue to move in the right direction, more restrictions will be relaxed from June 30, Rutte added.
Citizens will then be allowed to host up to eight people in their homes and restaurants and bars will be permitted to stay open until midnight."
It does seem that we're frequently describing our own remaining restrictions as "lockdown" whilst other countries continuing to follow remaining restrictions are "out of lockdown"
I think the term has been hopelessly eroded. I mean, I went to the cinema weeks ago. I've eaten out in restaurants indoors and gone to pubs frequently. And been able to go indoors with more than four people.
Quite!
Today's threads had some absolute nonsense comments (not this matter particularly, but the general fantasising about reality) and it's very tiresome. Almost as bad as the run-up to a GE. And, still to come this evening, the ceremonial throwing of toys out of prams.
--AS
I think the main issue with this delay is the precedent it sets. If a delay is based on what might be rather than what is it makes one wonder what is to stop further delays.
Not seen many constructive replies addressing this point. At best it is more people will have been jabbed/jabbed twice. If that is the case lets set a clear release date when those numbers reach x.
The reality is this lockdown life suits a lot of people, most of them government voters. They have become the client state and their votes make the end of lockdown very hard to get to.
They have to keep to their promise to stop financial support. This is the best chance of turning popular opinion, which is vital to this following-rather-than-leading government. If the support gets extended yet again I'll really start to worry.
Yes sadly people are going to have suffer financial pain, or know people who are, for minds to change. I think the alternative that could work is to say when 70% (or whatever) have had second jabs lockdown ends. That would perhaps create comfort for the concerned.
Mail at it again i see with this headline Covid cases soar 36% amid fears Boris will delay unlocking BEYOND July 19 and may even REVERSE his road-map - despite desperate vaccine push
Who,is,writing for,them now. Independent sage and zero,covid zealots.
lord knows if i took the mail seriously id end up schizophrenic
It’s poison. It really is (apart from this is money).
Some of the SAGE scientists realising they’ve got a problem if there are limited changes to restriction (even some loosening) and the doomsday models look overcooked?
Reverse the roadmap however? Problem magically goes away! It’s the tightening of restrictions that has done the trick...
Except the restrictions aren’t planned to be tightened. The opposite, in fact.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
The BMA said this morning no other Country in Europe was unlocking or near to
If they're "guidelines" they aren't "law" - so they can't be "illegal".....
The Rozzers don't know the law and try and bully the public with arrest?
I am even more shocked than when it turned out Contrarian isn't in touch with the public when it comes to Covid-19
One piece of advice that I've seen you and other legal people on here give is to never accept a police caution, it came in handy for one of my friends who was just walking through a crime scene but the police picked him out as a suspect from CCTV. They wanted to give him a caution, he refused and said either arrest and charge what you have or fuck off. Obviously they fucked off. I've posted that advice in our WhatsApp group loads of times and he said afterwards if he hadn't had the advice he'd probably have accepted the caution without realising it would destroy his career in financial services.
It's also possible to have inappropriate cautions deleted (as it seems this one clearly would have been), so it would not necessarily have destroyed his career. Would have been a serious PITA, though.
Sadly even having them deleted can be a problem.
With enhanced CRBs and now enhanced DBSs the potential arrest etc may still show (depending on the crime and discretion of the rozzers.)
It is to avoid the Ian Huntley issue.
A friend of mine was questioned under caution due to a rape allegation, which appeared on some enhanced checks.
The person who made the allegation admitted later that she made it up because she was in a relationship and didn't want to say she had cheated.
Means he avoids any job that involves a DBS check because he doesn't want to have to go through that trauma, again.
It's so depressing that the PM can simply ignore parliamentary procedure and remain untouchable. If he puts his mind to it he could really do some serious damage to the institution while he remains popular in the polls. Blair was similarly unbothered by checks and balances during his pomp, but there was at least the suggestion of outrage in the popular media and on the BBC. That sense of outrage seems to have dissipated.
Now it is Boris doing it, the right-leaning press don’t care.
Like the Spectator?
I cannot think of a previous example of a Speaker accusing No 10 of misleading the House. It is a another sign of how bad relations are getting between the Speaker and the Prime Minister.
That extract, at least, casts no judgment either way.
Click the link:
Hoyle said that he had been told no decisions had been taken only to find out that there was an embargoed document setting out what changes were coming. A visibly furious Hoyle declared from the chair that: ‘This House is being misled’.
Considering that misleading the House is a resigning matter, this is a remarkably serious accusation for the Speaker to level against Downing Street. It is not hard to follow it through to its logical conclusion; and I cannot think of a previous example of a Speaker accusing No. 10 of misleading the House. It is another sign of how bad relations between the Speaker and the Prime Minister have become.
Not a lot of "don't care" there....
Again, the writer does not pass his own opinion, albeit the Speaker’s view is vividly conveyed.
(I tend not to click on Spectator links as I do not have a sub)
However the logical conclusion is also pretty obvious. If the PM has coldly misled the House, we should have a new PM before Compline and the Johnsons won't get to enjoy that expensive redecoration. It's just that it's such a nuclear button that nobody really wants to mention it. And I doubt that will happen.
The problem is one that any teacher, parent or pet owner will recognise. If you let small instances of misbehaviour slip, that will be taken as a sign to escalate the misbehaviour. And then you either have to swallow the worse behaviour or respond really brutally.
Normally you don't need to treat adults like that. Only puppies and children. And the Prime Minister.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
The BMA said this morning no other Country in Europe was unlocking or near to
"Museums, theaters, cinemas and a wide range of other venues can reopen across The Netherlands from June 5, Prime Minister Mark Rutte announced late Friday.
"This is actually the end of the lockdown," he told a news conference.
Restaurants will be allowed to offer indoor dining again and opening hours can be extended until 10pm. The Dutch will also be allowed to invite up to four people to their homes instead of two.
However, employees should still go to workplaces as little as possible, for the time being. "We're not there yet," Rutte cautioned.
A strict lockdown has been in place since mid-December.
Rutte predicted the vaccination campaign will bring more improvements , although the summer will not yet be "completely normal." The government is still warning that travelling entails risks.
If the number of infections and hospitalizations continue to move in the right direction, more restrictions will be relaxed from June 30, Rutte added.
Citizens will then be allowed to host up to eight people in their homes and restaurants and bars will be permitted to stay open until midnight."
It does seem that we're frequently describing our own remaining restrictions as "lockdown" whilst other countries continuing to follow remaining restrictions are "out of lockdown"
I think the term has been hopelessly eroded. I mean, I went to the cinema weeks ago. I've eaten out in restaurants indoors and gone to pubs frequently. And been able to go indoors with more than four people.
Quite!
Today's threads had some absolute nonsense comments (not this matter particularly, but the general fantasising about reality) and it's very tiresome. Almost as bad as the run-up to a GE. And, still to come this evening, the ceremonial throwing of toys out of prams.
--AS
I think the main issue with this delay is the precedent it sets. If a delay is based on what might be rather than what is it makes one wonder what is to stop further delays.
Not seen many constructive replies addressing this point. At best it is more people will have been jabbed/jabbed twice. If that is the case lets set a clear release date when those numbers reach x.
The reality is this lockdown life suits a lot of people, most of them government voters. They have become the client state and their votes make the end of lockdown very hard to get to.
They have to keep to their promise to stop financial support. This is the best chance of turning popular opinion, which is vital to this following-rather-than-leading government. If the support gets extended yet again I'll really start to worry.
However. What if removing all support doesn't poll well? No evidence this lot will ever do it if it doesn't.
I'd be interested to see whether there's any vetting of the emails @SimonMcCoyTV is reading out on GB News right now - someone claiming to be a paramedic saying they haven't dealt with a covid patient in three months (when we have thousands of cases a day) sounds a bit @_DHOTYA
Mail at it again i see with this headline Covid cases soar 36% amid fears Boris will delay unlocking BEYOND July 19 and may even REVERSE his road-map - despite desperate vaccine push
Who,is,writing for,them now. Independent sage and zero,covid zealots.
lord knows if i took the mail seriously id end up schizophrenic
It’s poison. It really is (apart from this is money).
Some of the SAGE scientists realising they’ve got a problem if there are limited changes to restriction (even some loosening) and the doomsday models look overcooked?
Reverse the roadmap however? Problem magically goes away! It’s the tightening of restrictions that has done the trick...
Except the restrictions aren’t planned to be tightened. The opposite, in fact.
No that was my point. And why Sage could have a problem. So far in this pandemic their models have barely been tested because they’ve always been immediately followed by substantial changes (either in restrictions, or discovery of eg. new variants not known about when models were produced). So implying that they’re making a last ditch effort to get a head of steam going for tightening restrictions.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
The same logic would argue that if you run around firing a pistol, we can exercise our free choice to stay at home so you don't hit us. We can, but it doesn't make it right.
I'm not so worried about the unvaccinated. The virus will mutate and acquire partial reistance to the vaccines (As is shown with 1 dose AZ against delta). The truth is that it may well end up in a form where it simply spreads through the entire population (Both unvaxxed and vaxxed) but the vaccinated have vastly milder symptons. If the unvaccinated choose to cough up their own lungs that's on them.
Can you explain reasons other than medical corruption for the restrictions on Ivermectin, HCQ and other drugs proven in RCTs to work against COVID and without significant side-effects?
I suggest you watch this video sent me by a friend who used to work in the NHS ... but long retired (she's 69) https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY
It includes the inventor of mRNA vaccines, who thinks the principle is still fine but these products have been severely botched and launched prematurely.
I'm ~20% of the way through. It seems it could be a larger version of the 1976 H1N1 vaccine disaster. Not that it will be revealed quickly, especially in the UK:
1) MSM censorship is on a scale not envisaged in 1976 2) Larger disasters give more incentive to cover up, to protect even more reputations.
It's so depressing that the PM can simply ignore parliamentary procedure and remain untouchable. If he puts his mind to it he could really do some serious damage to the institution while he remains popular in the polls. Blair was similarly unbothered by checks and balances during his pomp, but there was at least the suggestion of outrage in the popular media and on the BBC. That sense of outrage seems to have dissipated.
Now it is Boris doing it, the right-leaning press don’t care.
Like the Spectator?
I cannot think of a previous example of a Speaker accusing No 10 of misleading the House. It is a another sign of how bad relations are getting between the Speaker and the Prime Minister.
That extract, at least, casts no judgment either way.
Click the link:
Hoyle said that he had been told no decisions had been taken only to find out that there was an embargoed document setting out what changes were coming. A visibly furious Hoyle declared from the chair that: ‘This House is being misled’.
Considering that misleading the House is a resigning matter, this is a remarkably serious accusation for the Speaker to level against Downing Street. It is not hard to follow it through to its logical conclusion; and I cannot think of a previous example of a Speaker accusing No. 10 of misleading the House. It is another sign of how bad relations between the Speaker and the Prime Minister have become.
Not a lot of "don't care" there....
Again, the writer does not pass his own opinion, albeit the Speaker’s view is vividly conveyed.
(I tend not to click on Spectator links as I do not have a sub)
However the logical conclusion is also pretty obvious. If the PM has coldly misled the House, we should have a new PM before Compline and the Johnsons won't get to enjoy that expensive redecoration. It's just that it's such a nuclear button that nobody really wants to mention it. And I doubt that will happen.
The problem is one that any teacher, parent or pet owner will recognise. If you let small instances of misbehaviour slip, that will be taken as a sign to escalate the misbehaviour. And then you either have to swallow the worse behaviour or respond really brutally.
Normally you don't need to treat adults like that. Only puppies and children. And the Prime Minister.
I just watched the clip of the Speaker.
He is fuming but then he says something like “I’m rapidly coming to a point where I might need to consider some other avenue, unless blah blah”.
Meanwhile, one imagines Boris (or his accomplices) sniggering like Mutley in the corner.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
The same logic would argue that if you run around firing a pistol, we can exercise our free choice to stay at home so you don't hit us. We can, but it doesn't make it right.
The site has become increasingly ridiculous over this extended lockdown idea. Especially as those of us who do live outside the UK can generally testify that in their fundamentals most people and their countries are pretty much of a muchness - certainly wrt to democracies.
And as the UK consists of 4 competitive nations each with jurisdiction the fact that no one of them is jumping ahead to do what is so obviously the right thing from the unlock point of view may suggest that there may be sense behind the caution.
If they're "guidelines" they aren't "law" - so they can't be "illegal".....
The Rozzers don't know the law and try and bully the public with arrest?
I am even more shocked than when it turned out Contrarian isn't in touch with the public when it comes to Covid-19
One piece of advice that I've seen you and other legal people on here give is to never accept a police caution, it came in handy for one of my friends who was just walking through a crime scene but the police picked him out as a suspect from CCTV. They wanted to give him a caution, he refused and said either arrest and charge what you have or fuck off. Obviously they fucked off. I've posted that advice in our WhatsApp group loads of times and he said afterwards if he hadn't had the advice he'd probably have accepted the caution without realising it would destroy his career in financial services.
It's also possible to have inappropriate cautions deleted (as it seems this one clearly would have been), so it would not necessarily have destroyed his career. Would have been a serious PITA, though.
Sadly even having them deleted can be a problem.
With enhanced CRBs and now enhanced DBSs the potential arrest etc may still show (depending on the crime and discretion of the rozzers.)
It is to avoid the Ian Huntley issue.
A friend of mine was questioned under caution due to a rape allegation, which appeared on some enhanced checks.
The person who made the allegation admitted later that she made it up because she was in a relationship and didn't want to say she had cheated.
Means he avoids any job that involves a DBS check because he doesn't want to have to go through that trauma, again.
Yes, I'm not defending the system, which is seriously flawed. Just pointing out that should anyone mistakenly accept a caution, that need not be the end of the matter.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
The BMA said this morning no other Country in Europe was unlocking or near to
"Museums, theaters, cinemas and a wide range of other venues can reopen across The Netherlands from June 5, Prime Minister Mark Rutte announced late Friday.
"This is actually the end of the lockdown," he told a news conference.
Restaurants will be allowed to offer indoor dining again and opening hours can be extended until 10pm. The Dutch will also be allowed to invite up to four people to their homes instead of two.
However, employees should still go to workplaces as little as possible, for the time being. "We're not there yet," Rutte cautioned.
A strict lockdown has been in place since mid-December.
Rutte predicted the vaccination campaign will bring more improvements , although the summer will not yet be "completely normal." The government is still warning that travelling entails risks.
If the number of infections and hospitalizations continue to move in the right direction, more restrictions will be relaxed from June 30, Rutte added.
Citizens will then be allowed to host up to eight people in their homes and restaurants and bars will be permitted to stay open until midnight."
It does seem that we're frequently describing our own remaining restrictions as "lockdown" whilst other countries continuing to follow remaining restrictions are "out of lockdown"
I think the term has been hopelessly eroded. I mean, I went to the cinema weeks ago. I've eaten out in restaurants indoors and gone to pubs frequently. And been able to go indoors with more than four people.
Quite!
Today's threads had some absolute nonsense comments (not this matter particularly, but the general fantasising about reality) and it's very tiresome. Almost as bad as the run-up to a GE. And, still to come this evening, the ceremonial throwing of toys out of prams.
--AS
I think the main issue with this delay is the precedent it sets. If a delay is based on what might be rather than what is it makes one wonder what is to stop further delays.
I do understand, but I think this pandemic *has* to be dealt with partly on what-might-be. By the time we react to what is happening now, it's too late.
At least, I think that's so if we want unlocking to be irreversible: one has to project forward to know whether the next step of unlocking has a reasonable probability of disastrous overload of the NHS. My own view, having looked at the data in some detail, is that it could go one way or the other. In an ideal world, we could unlock and then see how it goes, but if we are determined not to re-lock then I think a delay is the only option left.
--AS
What does irreversible really mean here and why do we want it so much?
Surely no release is going to be irreversible, as there will always be some risk, especially from new variants.
Why is it better to stay in lockdown for 12-18 months, and who is this better for, than to have 3 months of closer to normality whilst we can now?
Irreversible is just a conjuring trick by the politicians to make them sound responsible, after they were irresponsible over Xmas party time and the Indian variant.
As an aside, the 5-2 is very slightly skinny, as I'd expect the LDs to do slightly better than in Witney. But it's merely reasonable value rather than incredibly exciting.
The Greens, fwiw, need to start trying to win these byelections.
Details still being thrashed out, but Boris Johnson to announce a new series of sporting test events with bigger crowds. Events expected to include Euro 2020 games at Wembley, England v India Test, Wimbledon, Open Championship, British Grand Prix & Challenge Cup final.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
The BMA said this morning no other Country in Europe was unlocking or near to
"Museums, theaters, cinemas and a wide range of other venues can reopen across The Netherlands from June 5, Prime Minister Mark Rutte announced late Friday.
"This is actually the end of the lockdown," he told a news conference.
Restaurants will be allowed to offer indoor dining again and opening hours can be extended until 10pm. The Dutch will also be allowed to invite up to four people to their homes instead of two.
However, employees should still go to workplaces as little as possible, for the time being. "We're not there yet," Rutte cautioned.
A strict lockdown has been in place since mid-December.
Rutte predicted the vaccination campaign will bring more improvements , although the summer will not yet be "completely normal." The government is still warning that travelling entails risks.
If the number of infections and hospitalizations continue to move in the right direction, more restrictions will be relaxed from June 30, Rutte added.
Citizens will then be allowed to host up to eight people in their homes and restaurants and bars will be permitted to stay open until midnight."
It does seem that we're frequently describing our own remaining restrictions as "lockdown" whilst other countries continuing to follow remaining restrictions are "out of lockdown"
I think the term has been hopelessly eroded. I mean, I went to the cinema weeks ago. I've eaten out in restaurants indoors and gone to pubs frequently. And been able to go indoors with more than four people.
Quite!
Today's threads had some absolute nonsense comments (not this matter particularly, but the general fantasising about reality) and it's very tiresome. Almost as bad as the run-up to a GE. And, still to come this evening, the ceremonial throwing of toys out of prams.
--AS
I think the main issue with this delay is the precedent it sets. If a delay is based on what might be rather than what is it makes one wonder what is to stop further delays.
Not seen many constructive replies addressing this point. At best it is more people will have been jabbed/jabbed twice. If that is the case lets set a clear release date when those numbers reach x.
The reality is this lockdown life suits a lot of people, most of them government voters. They have become the client state and their votes make the end of lockdown very hard to get to.
They have to keep to their promise to stop financial support. This is the best chance of turning popular opinion, which is vital to this following-rather-than-leading government. If the support gets extended yet again I'll really start to worry.
However. What if removing all support doesn't poll well? No evidence this lot will ever do it if it doesn't.
I know. That's what I fear. The populace loves money being printed on their own behalf and fuck the consequences.
I'd be interested to see whether there's any vetting of the emails @SimonMcCoyTV is reading out on GB News right now - someone claiming to be a paramedic saying they haven't dealt with a covid patient in three months (when we have thousands of cases a day) sounds a bit @_DHOTYA
I think tonight's announcement could sink the Tories in Chesham and Amersham, with crucial votes going over to the Reform Party.
I doubt it myself but I'd love to see the LDs take the seat. The government have had it easy for far too long. Politics is not meant to be like this. Governments are meant to be unpopular. Especially Tory governments making a godawful mess of things.
The LD candidate is running on a policy of anti-HS2 and anti-new housebuilding in certain areas. Some LDs have refused to campaign for her because of this alleged nimbyism.
Now Brexit is done the LDs main electoral appeal is to Nimbys in the Home Counties, if the LDs voteshare is up significantly on Thursday Nimbyism will be a key factor
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
The BMA said this morning no other Country in Europe was unlocking or near to
"Museums, theaters, cinemas and a wide range of other venues can reopen across The Netherlands from June 5, Prime Minister Mark Rutte announced late Friday.
"This is actually the end of the lockdown," he told a news conference.
Restaurants will be allowed to offer indoor dining again and opening hours can be extended until 10pm. The Dutch will also be allowed to invite up to four people to their homes instead of two.
However, employees should still go to workplaces as little as possible, for the time being. "We're not there yet," Rutte cautioned.
A strict lockdown has been in place since mid-December.
Rutte predicted the vaccination campaign will bring more improvements , although the summer will not yet be "completely normal." The government is still warning that travelling entails risks.
If the number of infections and hospitalizations continue to move in the right direction, more restrictions will be relaxed from June 30, Rutte added.
Citizens will then be allowed to host up to eight people in their homes and restaurants and bars will be permitted to stay open until midnight."
It does seem that we're frequently describing our own remaining restrictions as "lockdown" whilst other countries continuing to follow remaining restrictions are "out of lockdown"
I think the term has been hopelessly eroded. I mean, I went to the cinema weeks ago. I've eaten out in restaurants indoors and gone to pubs frequently. And been able to go indoors with more than four people.
Quite!
Today's threads had some absolute nonsense comments (not this matter particularly, but the general fantasising about reality) and it's very tiresome. Almost as bad as the run-up to a GE. And, still to come this evening, the ceremonial throwing of toys out of prams.
--AS
I think the main issue with this delay is the precedent it sets. If a delay is based on what might be rather than what is it makes one wonder what is to stop further delays.
I do understand, but I think this pandemic *has* to be dealt with partly on what-might-be. By the time we react to what is happening now, it's too late.
At least, I think that's so if we want unlocking to be irreversible: one has to project forward to know whether the next step of unlocking has a reasonable probability of disastrous overload of the NHS. My own view, having looked at the data in some detail, is that it could go one way or the other. In an ideal world, we could unlock and then see how it goes, but if we are determined not to re-lock then I think a delay is the only option left.
--AS
What does irreversible really mean here and why do we want it so much?
Surely no release is going to be irreversible, as there will always be some risk, especially from new variants.
Why is it better to stay in lockdown for 12-18 months, and who is this better for, than to have 3 months of closer to normality whilst we can now?
Irreversible is just a conjuring trick by the politicians to make them sound responsible, after they were irresponsible over Xmas party time and the Indian variant.
I'm not defending the irreversibility policy. It clearly limits our range of actions a lot, but I assume the that government wants to keep its commitments. Well...
Unfortunately, given where we are now, and looking at the figures, it's probably the case that the government has no choice but to delay re-opening. They shouldn't be criticised for that decision itself (although they will be by many); instead they should be seriously castigated for the series of blunders which has forced them into that decision. The most serious in the lead-up to this third wave was not stopping flights from India, a completely obvious blunder. They also blundered in not setting the scene for 'vaccine passports', which would have been a massively better choice than keeping venues closed altogether, or making them unviable.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
The BMA said this morning no other Country in Europe was unlocking or near to
"Museums, theaters, cinemas and a wide range of other venues can reopen across The Netherlands from June 5, Prime Minister Mark Rutte announced late Friday.
"This is actually the end of the lockdown," he told a news conference.
Restaurants will be allowed to offer indoor dining again and opening hours can be extended until 10pm. The Dutch will also be allowed to invite up to four people to their homes instead of two.
However, employees should still go to workplaces as little as possible, for the time being. "We're not there yet," Rutte cautioned.
A strict lockdown has been in place since mid-December.
Rutte predicted the vaccination campaign will bring more improvements , although the summer will not yet be "completely normal." The government is still warning that travelling entails risks.
If the number of infections and hospitalizations continue to move in the right direction, more restrictions will be relaxed from June 30, Rutte added.
Citizens will then be allowed to host up to eight people in their homes and restaurants and bars will be permitted to stay open until midnight."
It does seem that we're frequently describing our own remaining restrictions as "lockdown" whilst other countries continuing to follow remaining restrictions are "out of lockdown"
I think the term has been hopelessly eroded. I mean, I went to the cinema weeks ago. I've eaten out in restaurants indoors and gone to pubs frequently. And been able to go indoors with more than four people.
Quite!
Today's threads had some absolute nonsense comments (not this matter particularly, but the general fantasising about reality) and it's very tiresome. Almost as bad as the run-up to a GE. And, still to come this evening, the ceremonial throwing of toys out of prams.
--AS
I think the main issue with this delay is the precedent it sets. If a delay is based on what might be rather than what is it makes one wonder what is to stop further delays.
I do understand, but I think this pandemic *has* to be dealt with partly on what-might-be. By the time we react to what is happening now, it's too late.
At least, I think that's so if we want unlocking to be irreversible: one has to project forward to know whether the next step of unlocking has a reasonable probability of disastrous overload of the NHS. My own view, having looked at the data in some detail, is that it could go one way or the other. In an ideal world, we could unlock and then see how it goes, but if we are determined not to re-lock then I think a delay is the only option left.
--AS
What does irreversible really mean here and why do we want it so much?
Surely no release is going to be irreversible, as there will always be some risk, especially from new variants.
Why is it better to stay in lockdown for 12-18 months, and who is this better for, than to have 3 months of closer to normality whilst we can now?
Irreversible is just a conjuring trick by the politicians to make them sound responsible, after they were irresponsible over Xmas party time and the Indian variant.
I'm not defending the irreversibility policy. It clearly limits our range of actions a lot, but I assume the that government wants to keep its commitments. Well...
--AS
But irreversibility is an impossibility, well actually the only way to guarantee they keep that commitment is to never end the lockdown........
Nearly time for the Wibbling Windbag and the Angels of Death.
Let's wait and see what he says. If there are no guarantees about what happens at the end of the delay then they're probably teeing up rolling restrictions until at least next April.
Look out in particular for any hints that they want to stall whilst they vaccinate kids, which should be enough to put us back to Autumn and activate a load of other excuses.
I think tonight's announcement could sink the Tories in Chesham and Amersham, with crucial votes going over to the Reform Party.
I doubt it myself but I'd love to see the LDs take the seat. The government have had it easy for far too long. Politics is not meant to be like this. Governments are meant to be unpopular. Especially Tory governments making a godawful mess of things.
The LD candidate is running on a policy of anti-HS2 and anti-new housebuilding in certain areas. Some LDs have refused to campaign for her because of this alleged nimbyism.
Now Brexit is done
Until recently I tended to believe this statement but it looks as if Brexit in its current format is heading into big trouble.
It was always the case that the Northern Ireland sell-out contained the seeds of its own destruction, unless politicians conducted themselves with extraordinary levels of good grace and magnanimity: two qualities hitherto unknown to the species.
Now we're in real trouble.
I expect Brexit 1.0 to crash and burn. Brexit 2.0 could well see a complete re-modelling with a No Deal format, which is going to have some devastating consequences.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
The same logic would argue that if you run around firing a pistol, we can exercise our free choice to stay at home so you don't hit us. We can, but it doesn't make it right.
I'm not so worried about the unvaccinated. The virus will mutate and acquire partial reistance to the vaccines (As is shown with 1 dose AZ against delta). The truth is that it may well end up in a form where it simply spreads through the entire population (Both unvaxxed and vaxxed) but the vaccinated have vastly milder symptons. If the unvaccinated choose to cough up their own lungs that's on them.
Can you explain reasons other than medical corruption for the restrictions on Ivermectin, HCQ and other drugs proven in RCTs to work against COVID and without significant side-effects?
I suggest you watch this video sent me by a friend who used to work in the NHS ... but long retired (she's 69) https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY
It includes the inventor of mRNA vaccines, who thinks the principle is still fine but these products have been severely botched and launched prematurely.
I'm ~20% of the way through. It seems it could be a larger version of the 1976 H1N1 vaccine disaster. Not that it will be revealed quickly, especially in the UK:
1) MSM censorship is on a scale not envisaged in 1976 2) Larger disasters give more incentive to cover up, to protect even more reputations.
A conspiracy between big pharma and the broth industry.
Unfortunately, given where we are now, and looking at the figures, it's probably the case that the government has no choice but to delay re-opening. They shouldn't be criticised for that decision itself (although they will be by many); instead they should be seriously castigated for the series of blunders which has forced them into that decision. The most serious in the lead-up to this third wave was not stopping flights from India, a completely obvious blunder. They also blundered in not setting the scene for 'vaccine passports', which would have been a massively better choice than keeping venues closed altogether, or making them unviable.
How many idiots on here were bleating about vaccine passports? As some terrible infringement of liberty?
It was fecking obvious that vaxports were and are the way out, for millions of people and thousands of businesses. The Israelis used them, not sure anyone complained
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
The BMA said this morning no other Country in Europe was unlocking or near to
"Museums, theaters, cinemas and a wide range of other venues can reopen across The Netherlands from June 5, Prime Minister Mark Rutte announced late Friday.
"This is actually the end of the lockdown," he told a news conference.
Restaurants will be allowed to offer indoor dining again and opening hours can be extended until 10pm. The Dutch will also be allowed to invite up to four people to their homes instead of two.
However, employees should still go to workplaces as little as possible, for the time being. "We're not there yet," Rutte cautioned.
A strict lockdown has been in place since mid-December.
Rutte predicted the vaccination campaign will bring more improvements , although the summer will not yet be "completely normal." The government is still warning that travelling entails risks.
If the number of infections and hospitalizations continue to move in the right direction, more restrictions will be relaxed from June 30, Rutte added.
Citizens will then be allowed to host up to eight people in their homes and restaurants and bars will be permitted to stay open until midnight."
It does seem that we're frequently describing our own remaining restrictions as "lockdown" whilst other countries continuing to follow remaining restrictions are "out of lockdown"
I think the term has been hopelessly eroded. I mean, I went to the cinema weeks ago. I've eaten out in restaurants indoors and gone to pubs frequently. And been able to go indoors with more than four people.
Quite!
Today's threads had some absolute nonsense comments (not this matter particularly, but the general fantasising about reality) and it's very tiresome. Almost as bad as the run-up to a GE. And, still to come this evening, the ceremonial throwing of toys out of prams.
--AS
I think the main issue with this delay is the precedent it sets. If a delay is based on what might be rather than what is it makes one wonder what is to stop further delays.
I do understand, but I think this pandemic *has* to be dealt with partly on what-might-be. By the time we react to what is happening now, it's too late.
At least, I think that's so if we want unlocking to be irreversible: one has to project forward to know whether the next step of unlocking has a reasonable probability of disastrous overload of the NHS. My own view, having looked at the data in some detail, is that it could go one way or the other. In an ideal world, we could unlock and then see how it goes, but if we are determined not to re-lock then I think a delay is the only option left.
--AS
The due was really cast once the first lockdown happened (or particularly the second). Once you’ve established the principle of extreme precautionary action in a potentially exponential pandemic situation based on unknown data you’ve set a precedent for all future pandemics. It is a worthwhile exercise to consider how we might have responded in the initial stages of previous pandemics, or potential pandemics, if we had gone through Covid previously (normalising to the current day - ie. things like mass wfh being possible).
Your argument is totally clear cut in relation to last November/December. Nothing fundamental had changed and there was no reason to thing the virus wouldn’t hit us as badly or worse than in the first wave.
But now it’s a bit different. There ARE grounds, with vaccines, for effectively treating it as a new virus. One that will not ravage the old and vulnerable to the same extent. And that should make the equation different.
Or as I say every emerging threat in the future will be treated on the basis of caution. With devastating long term consequences.
I think tonight's announcement could sink the Tories in Chesham and Amersham, with crucial votes going over to the Reform Party.
I doubt it myself but I'd love to see the LDs take the seat. The government have had it easy for far too long. Politics is not meant to be like this. Governments are meant to be unpopular. Especially Tory governments making a godawful mess of things.
The LD candidate is running on a policy of anti-HS2 and anti-new housebuilding in certain areas. Some LDs have refused to campaign for her because of this alleged nimbyism.
Now Brexit is done
Until recently I tended to believe this statement but it looks as if Brexit in its current format is heading into big trouble.
It was always the case that the Northern Ireland sell-out contained the seeds of its own destruction, unless politicians conducted themselves with extraordinary levels of good grace and magnanimity: two qualities hitherto unknown to the species.
Now we're in real trouble.
I expect Brexit 1.0 to crash and burn. Brexit 2.0 could well see a complete re-modelling with a No Deal format, which is going to have some devastating consequences.
I think tonight's announcement could sink the Tories in Chesham and Amersham, with crucial votes going over to the Reform Party.
Perhaps. Without wanting to start another property porn thread, there are some big old houses in C&A where whole families could WFH without seeing each other from breakfast till bedtime. Most people aren't planning a wedding or running a pub. In my experience, most things that ought to make a difference turn out not to.
Unfortunately, given where we are now, and looking at the figures, it's probably the case that the government has no choice but to delay re-opening. They shouldn't be criticised for that decision itself (although they will be by many); instead they should be seriously castigated for the series of blunders which has forced them into that decision. The most serious in the lead-up to this third wave was not stopping flights from India, a completely obvious blunder. They also blundered in not setting the scene for 'vaccine passports', which would have been a massively better choice than keeping venues closed altogether, or making them unviable.
How many idiots on here were bleating about vaccine passports? As some terrible infringement of liberty?
It was fecking obvious that vaxports were and are the way out, for millions of people and thousands of businesses. The Israelis used them, not sure anyone complained
The government feebly conceded to these halfwits
It was Sir Keir's big thing - They were "UnBritish", everyone loved it
Although he didn't quite say it, he just hedged his bets
“A proportion of the elderly and vulnerable may succumb to the variant even if they’ve had two jabs.”
Project fear.
Not really, sadly. The Lancet report today says that AZ, two weeks after the second dose, is only 60% protective against the Delta variant, while Pfizer is 79% protective.
We need a tweaked variant for the winter, preferably from the Pfizer yeram.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
The same logic would argue that if you run around firing a pistol, we can exercise our free choice to stay at home so you don't hit us. We can, but it doesn't make it right.
I'm not so worried about the unvaccinated. The virus will mutate and acquire partial reistance to the vaccines (As is shown with 1 dose AZ against delta). The truth is that it may well end up in a form where it simply spreads through the entire population (Both unvaxxed and vaxxed) but the vaccinated have vastly milder symptons. If the unvaccinated choose to cough up their own lungs that's on them.
Can you explain reasons other than medical corruption for the restrictions on Ivermectin, HCQ and other drugs proven in RCTs to work against COVID and without significant side-effects?
I suggest you watch this video sent me by a friend who used to work in the NHS ... but long retired (she's 69) https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY
It includes the inventor of mRNA vaccines, who thinks the principle is still fine but these products have been severely botched and launched prematurely.
I'm ~20% of the way through. It seems it could be a larger version of the 1976 H1N1 vaccine disaster. Not that it will be revealed quickly, especially in the UK:
1) MSM censorship is on a scale not envisaged in 1976 2) Larger disasters give more incentive to cover up, to protect even more reputations.
The RCTs do not support Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin. You are selling snake oil.
29 July. Weddings and wakes can go to over 30 with social distancing - how does that work?
My sons wedding on the 31st July was increased by the minister from 30 to 40 yesterday, and a further 30 guests may assemble in the Church grounds before going to their marquee
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Rightfully so to be fair... Boris is becoming to lockdown what Theresa was to Brexit...
https://prowrestling.fandom.com/wiki/Taz
Could also be Tazz.
The reality is this lockdown life suits a lot of people, most of them government voters. They have become the client state and their votes make the end of lockdown very hard to get to.
Aww, poor Mr Glad Wanker. Of the ‘dish it but can’t take it’ tendency.
Along with the clean driving licence for jobs which don't require you to drive.
Bugbear of mine.
Went with her boyfriend, turns out he had a caution for a minor offence years ago and the Americans sent him back, she was given about 90 minutes to decide if she wanted to go back with him.
Martin Bashir: No evidence journalist rehired as cover-up - BBC report
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57469980
https://twitter.com/MattHughesDM/status/1404478982825857032
That just gives rise to anti-vaxxer types who say well I don't need a jab then do I, this Professor lady says we have herd immunity.
Expected better from you.
I simply cannot fathom it - the only explanation I can come up with is a testament to the real scandal of all of this, which is the government's use of fear to control the populace. That is the truly frightening thing, not some virus that all the vulnerable and elderly are now vaccinated against.
For anyone interested in the use of fear to manage covid policy, Laura Dodsworth's recent book deals with this topic and its a quite shocking read.
I am more convinced than ever that we will never get back to pre-covid norms, including the freedoms that we have all-too-meekly surrendered. Shame on us for standing by and accepting the ever-shifting goalposts and shame on the pathetic mainstream media and the woeful opposition parties for failing to challenge this government at every step of the way.
I will not be voting Tory again unless and until they rediscover their conservative backbone - this issue is far too important to just let it slide. I will e-mail my MP Ranil tomorrow just to register my protest with him (and hopefully add to the pile of similar e-mails in his inbox). It won't do any good - he is a Boris yes-man with a stonking majority so he's under no threat but Conservative Central Office needs to know how many of their "natural supporters" they are losing because of this.
Rant over. Sorry.
Sturgeon will keep them all locked up til 2024 if she can, thus neatly avoiding sindyref2 in the process
I did choose my name after the great wrestling commentator Taz, or Tazz, depending on the promotion.
Would have been a serious PITA, though.
Reverse the roadmap however? Problem magically goes away! It’s the tightening of restrictions that has done the trick...
https://prowrestling.fandom.com/wiki/Jim_Duggan
At least, I think that's so if we want unlocking to be irreversible: one has to project forward to know whether the next step of unlocking has a reasonable probability of disastrous overload of the NHS. My own view, having looked at the data in some detail, is that it could go one way or the other. In an ideal world, we could unlock and then see how it goes, but if we are determined not to re-lock then I think a delay is the only option left.
--AS
Remember him well.
And Jerry the King Lawler. Use to work with a guy called Jim Lawler and half the time I called him Jerry.
With enhanced CRBs and now enhanced DBSs the potential arrest etc may still show (depending on the crime and discretion of the rozzers.)
It is to avoid the Ian Huntley issue.
A friend of mine was questioned under caution due to a rape allegation, which appeared on some enhanced checks.
The person who made the allegation admitted later that she made it up because she was in a relationship and didn't want to say she had cheated.
Means he avoids any job that involves a DBS check because he doesn't want to have to go through that trauma, again.
The problem is one that any teacher, parent or pet owner will recognise. If you let small instances of misbehaviour slip, that will be taken as a sign to escalate the misbehaviour. And then you either have to swallow the worse behaviour or respond really brutally.
Normally you don't need to treat adults like that. Only puppies and children.
And the Prime Minister.
No evidence this lot will ever do it if it doesn't.
I suggest you watch this video sent me by a friend who used to work in the NHS ... but long retired (she's 69)
https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY
It includes the inventor of mRNA vaccines, who thinks the principle is still fine but these products have been severely botched and launched prematurely.
I'm ~20% of the way through. It seems it could be a larger version of the 1976 H1N1 vaccine disaster. Not that it will be revealed quickly, especially in the UK:
1) MSM censorship is on a scale not envisaged in 1976
2) Larger disasters give more incentive to cover up, to protect even more reputations.
He is fuming but then he says something like “I’m rapidly coming to a point where I might need to consider some other avenue, unless blah blah”.
Meanwhile, one imagines Boris (or his accomplices) sniggering like Mutley in the corner.
The first sign of a party in trouble is when the diehards refuse to see the obvious.
Just pointing out that should anyone mistakenly accept a caution, that need not be the end of the matter.
Surely no release is going to be irreversible, as there will always be some risk, especially from new variants.
Why is it better to stay in lockdown for 12-18 months, and who is this better for, than to have 3 months of closer to normality whilst we can now?
Irreversible is just a conjuring trick by the politicians to make them sound responsible, after they were irresponsible over Xmas party time and the Indian variant.
The Greens, fwiw, need to start trying to win these byelections.
Or I fear for Boris and friends from the nation's brides and mothers-of-brides...
Essentially copying LBC.
--AS
Let's wait and see what he says. If there are no guarantees about what happens at the end of the delay then they're probably teeing up rolling restrictions until at least next April.
Look out in particular for any hints that they want to stall whilst they vaccinate kids, which should be enough to put us back to Autumn and activate a load of other excuses.
https://smarkets.com/event/42195394/politics/uk/by-elections/chesham-and-amersham-by-election
It was always the case that the Northern Ireland sell-out contained the seeds of its own destruction, unless politicians conducted themselves with extraordinary levels of good grace and magnanimity: two qualities hitherto unknown to the species.
Now we're in real trouble.
I expect Brexit 1.0 to crash and burn. Brexit 2.0 could well see a complete re-modelling with a No Deal format, which is going to have some devastating consequences.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/06/14/time-start-preparing-no-deal-20/
It was fecking obvious that vaxports were and are the way out, for millions of people and thousands of businesses. The Israelis used them, not sure anyone complained
The government feebly conceded to these halfwits
No mention on BBC politics website.
Your argument is totally clear cut in relation to last November/December. Nothing fundamental had changed and there was no reason to thing the virus wouldn’t hit us as badly or worse than in the first wave.
But now it’s a bit different. There ARE grounds, with vaccines, for effectively treating it as a new virus. One that will not ravage the old and vulnerable to the same extent. And that should make the equation different.
Or as I say every emerging threat in the future will be treated on the basis of caution. With devastating long term consequences.
It was very funny when he claimed that in offering up a Johnson v Corbyn contest, the system had failed.
This is an era butter-rich in irony.
Cannot eliminate it and must learn to live with it
Hopefully someone asks the @MarqueeMark question. How much worse are things than had been planned for?
Project fear.
He went straight on to wibble about the remaining elderly and vulnerable for whom the vaccines won't work.
It's the vaccines are not 100% effective argument, again.
His idea of living with it will consist of endless delay and endless restrictions.
Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him, frankly.
Oh
Second jabs to be accelerated, and the government is bringing forward target to get every adult having a first jab.
Weddings and wakes with more than 30 guests allowed from June 21st though provided social distancing.
Although he didn't quite say it, he just hedged his bets
We need a tweaked variant for the winter, preferably from the Pfizer yeram.
He was confident that there wouldn't be delay at all until about five minutes ago.
There will be more excuses next time.
Nobody is going to believe that July 19th will be met.
This is in Wales of course