From the times now Covid in Scotland: “Variant likely to delay lockdown exit by 10 weeks.” That takes us to the end of summer and we know Johnson follows Sturgeon
That means no end to restrictions until next Spring at the earliest as we are then into winter flu season and further likely mutations
We need to starting chucking Molotov cocktails quite soon
And I don't think I am joking. Perhaps only civil strife will make the government see sense. The people have always had to fight for their freedom
People are happy to vote for this government whatever it does. They're hardly likely to riot against it.
Well, they are losing people like me
I am double vaccinated, and the last jab was more than 2 weeks ago. Either the vaccines work or they don't, either we can leave jail or we can't. Give me a vaccine passport and let me get on with my life, travelling where I want, ditching the masks, flashing the passport so I can have a near-normal life
Why should I tolerate any more lockdown on my liberties, just because some people are too stupid to get injected? Why should I watch businesses in Camden, London, the UK, go under because - again - some people are just dim?
Let the stupid pay with THEIR freedom. If they won't get vaxxed then make sure they can't do anything, by bringing in vaccine passports.
I am going to ignore the rules as much as I can from now on, anyway. I'm not going to wear a mask, if I can help it, I will travel abroad to amber countries and I won't quarantine on returning. I will lie
Lol. Just wait until they switch the facial recognition cameras etc on to Mask avoiders and to enforce quarantine.
This is an Alien versus Predator by-election for me.
Boris chokingon lifting lockdown means he deserves to lose C&A.
As far as I can tell the Lib Dems are campaigning on NIMBYism and not liberalism against lockdown, so they deserve to lose C&A.
So why can't they both lose? I don't want 'my own team' to win this week, nor do I want the Lib Dems too. If I was a C&A voter I think I'd spoil my ballot paper.
The right approach. The answer to your rage against the Tories isn't to vote Tory. Withhold your vote. Vote for someone else. Whatever - just don't reward the liar.
I will not be voting Tory again for as long as lockdown lasts.
OTOH I doubt I'll be voting again until long after it ends so its rather moot.
If I got polled I don't know how I could respond. If there were an election tomorrow I'd spoil my ballot, but is that a polling option?
The increase in the rate of cases has now fallen five days in succession IIRC.
Probably just noise...
Friday -> Monday (Reported) tends to drop or remain flat even when cases are rising. Monday -> Friday is a better test of whether cases are actually rising or not.
It's a week-on-week figure though... is that what you are saying? That Monday through Sunday shows better numbers than, say, Saturday through Friday...?
Todays England case numbers compared to last Monday, are up 35.29%
Lolz. Just delete it! Many of us never installed it in the first place. No more masks for me either. Especially not in this weather. I’m exempt you see.
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
Quite right.
Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
To be fair the government have form here. What will be entertaining is that they got shut of Bercow and expected to get an easier ride. Hoyle is less opinionated on the issues but not so on parliamentary practice.
Hoyle is has the procedure right, but refuses to exercise any form of censure.
Still waiting for the PM to apologise to the House for his various mendacities.
Hoyle is furious on Sky just now but he makes threats to call in Boris but I have no idea what sanctions he has got
Neither do I, but the Speaker needs to defend Parliament and Boris is a habitual offender.
I do agree
However, in the wider world, and especially the red wall seats, I expect they could not care less, they just want to hear the PM live on tv
And so another brick in the wall of our democratic system crumbles.
This brick has been loose for some time, but nevertheless...
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
Quite right.
Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
To be fair the government have form here. What will be entertaining is that they got shut of Bercow and expected to get an easier ride. Hoyle is less opinionated on the issues but not so on parliamentary practice.
Hoyle is has the procedure right, but refuses to exercise any form of censure.
Still waiting for the PM to apologise to the House for his various mendacities.
Hoyle is furious on Sky just now but he makes threats to call in Boris but I have no idea what sanctions he has got
Neither do I, but the Speaker needs to defend Parliament and Boris is a habitual offender.
I do agree
However, in the wider world, and especially the red wall seats, I expect they could not care less, they just want to hear the PM live on tv
Absolutely. Parliament is full of enemies of democracy. Time that we do away with it so that we can have government by proclamation. As long as we get to see the PM on the telly making a statement and not having to answer any questions, thats democracy isn't it?
This is an Alien versus Predator by-election for me.
Boris chokingon lifting lockdown means he deserves to lose C&A.
As far as I can tell the Lib Dems are campaigning on NIMBYism and not liberalism against lockdown, so they deserve to lose C&A.
So why can't they both lose? I don't want 'my own team' to win this week, nor do I want the Lib Dems too. If I was a C&A voter I think I'd spoil my ballot paper.
The right approach. The answer to your rage against the Tories isn't to vote Tory. Withhold your vote. Vote for someone else. Whatever - just don't reward the liar.
I will not be voting Tory again for as long as lockdown lasts.
OTOH I doubt I'll be voting again until long after it ends so its rather moot.
If I got polled I don't know how I could respond. If there were an election tomorrow I'd spoil my ballot, but is that a polling option?
The increase in the rate of cases has now fallen five days in succession IIRC.
Probably just noise...
Friday -> Monday (Reported) tends to drop or remain flat even when cases are rising. Monday -> Friday is a better test of whether cases are actually rising or not.
It's a week-on-week figure though... is that what you are saying? That Monday through Sunday shows better numbers than, say, Saturday through Friday...?
Todays England case numbers compared to last Monday, are up 35.29%
Indeed, they are increasing – we know that – but the week-on-week rise has fallen now five days in succession...
This is an Alien versus Predator by-election for me.
Boris chokingon lifting lockdown means he deserves to lose C&A.
As far as I can tell the Lib Dems are campaigning on NIMBYism and not liberalism against lockdown, so they deserve to lose C&A.
So why can't they both lose? I don't want 'my own team' to win this week, nor do I want the Lib Dems too. If I was a C&A voter I think I'd spoil my ballot paper.
The right approach. The answer to your rage against the Tories isn't to vote Tory. Withhold your vote. Vote for someone else. Whatever - just don't reward the liar.
I will not be voting Tory again for as long as lockdown lasts.
OTOH I doubt I'll be voting again until long after it ends so its rather moot.
If I got polled I don't know how I could respond. If there were an election tomorrow I'd spoil my ballot, but is that a polling option?
Lord Buckethead looks a more attractive prospect with each passing day.
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
An announcement of this importance has to be Boris
I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
If he had not had to be at Nato Brussels with Joe Biden I have no doubt he would be at the HOC right now
If he can be in Downing Street by 6pm, why couldn’t he be in Parliament by 6pm?
I do not have his diary to be fair
And the meeting in Brussels has just concluded apparently
One can perhaps understand why he doesn’t want to face tough questioning in Parliament, after a busy few days, and prefers gentler questions from the press that he can choose to disregard, but it doesn’t look good.
I doubt the populace care about procedures and Boris is hardly new to doing this
The thing is the Speaker is furious, but as far as I can tell is impotent in doing anything
Surprisingly low budget. I’m amazed they haven’t got the basics right.
I saw about 2 minutes of it this pm. It was de Piero I think, ex MP. I thought she was on Times News. Very boring. The website is crap. The News tab and "GB Views" tab seems to show the same articles! So much for reporting the news and not opinion in place of news.
Lolz. Just delete it! Many of us never installed it in the first place. No more masks for me either. Especially not in this weather. I’m exempt you see.
I will probably delete it, tho the pubs round here do check - sometimes - to make sure you've logged in. There might be a workaround where I put the phone on Airplane mode as I scan
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
An announcement of this importance has to be Boris
I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
If he had not had to be at Nato Brussels with Joe Biden I have no doubt he would be at the HOC right now
If he can be in Downing Street by 6pm, why couldn’t he be in Parliament by 6pm?
I do not have his diary to be fair
And the meeting in Brussels has just concluded apparently
One can perhaps understand why he doesn’t want to face tough questioning in Parliament, after a busy few days, and prefers gentler questions from the press that he can choose to disregard, but it doesn’t look good.
I doubt the populace care about procedures and Boris is hardly new to doing this
The thing is the Speaker is furious, but as far as I can tell is impotent in doing anything
And of course it infuriates Boris opponents
It is not “procedure” for the sake of it.
The concept is simple, the PM is accountable to Parliament, and Parliament is entitled to some form of scrutiny.
Otherwise you (as a voter) are handing over the job of representing you to Robert Peston and Laura K.
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
Quite right.
Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
To be fair the government have form here. What will be entertaining is that they got shut of Bercow and expected to get an easier ride. Hoyle is less opinionated on the issues but not so on parliamentary practice.
Hoyle is has the procedure right, but refuses to exercise any form of censure.
Still waiting for the PM to apologise to the House for his various mendacities.
Hoyle is furious on Sky just now but he makes threats to call in Boris but I have no idea what sanctions he has got
Neither do I, but the Speaker needs to defend Parliament and Boris is a habitual offender.
I do agree
However, in the wider world, and especially the red wall seats, I expect they could not care less, they just want to hear the PM live on tv
Absolutely. Parliament is full of enemies of democracy. Time that we do away with it so that we can have government by proclamation. As long as we get to see the PM on the telly making a statement and not having to answer any questions, thats democracy isn't it?
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
Quite right.
Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
To be fair the government have form here. What will be entertaining is that they got shut of Bercow and expected to get an easier ride. Hoyle is less opinionated on the issues but not so on parliamentary practice.
Hoyle is has the procedure right, but refuses to exercise any form of censure.
Still waiting for the PM to apologise to the House for his various mendacities.
As we saw with the unlawful overseas aid cut - which really ought to have been subject to a vote in the Commons - the Speaker is quite prepared to sound off, and do nothing of consequence. I doubt it bothers Johnson very much.
About to be revived by Boris tonight unfortunately
In your dreams
ReformUK could be on 5-10% in the polls by next weekend
Feel free to concede defeat on your position of a year ago that India would be virtually untouched by covid because of its longevity deficit.
I had forgotten that.
As I noted upthread, one Indian state has had an excess mortality rate per million greater than the UK Covid death rate, in the space of two months. With a population average age 23.
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
An announcement of this importance has to be Boris
I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
If he had not had to be at Nato Brussels with Joe Biden I have no doubt he would be at the HOC right now
If he can be in Downing Street by 6pm, why couldn’t he be in Parliament by 6pm?
I do not have his diary to be fair
And the meeting in Brussels has just concluded apparently
One can perhaps understand why he doesn’t want to face tough questioning in Parliament, after a busy few days, and prefers gentler questions from the press that he can choose to disregard, but it doesn’t look good.
I doubt the populace care about procedures and Boris is hardly new to doing this
The thing is the Speaker is furious, but as far as I can tell is impotent in doing anything
And of course it infuriates Boris opponents
It is not “procedure” for the sake of it.
The concept is simple, the PM is accountable to Parliament, and Parliament is entitled to some form of scrutiny.
Otherwise you (as a voter) are handing over the job of representing you to Robert Peston and Laura K.
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
Quite right.
Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
To be fair the government have form here. What will be entertaining is that they got shut of Bercow and expected to get an easier ride. Hoyle is less opinionated on the issues but not so on parliamentary practice.
Hoyle is has the procedure right, but refuses to exercise any form of censure.
Still waiting for the PM to apologise to the House for his various mendacities.
As we saw with the unlawful overseas aid cut - which really ought to have been subject to a vote in the Commons - the Speaker is quite prepared to sound off, and do nothing of consequence. I doubt it bothers Johnson very much.
I believe the Speaker can “name” the PM and have him suspended from the House for a few days.
Presume Raab becomes the acting PM in Parliament.
I doubt this has been done to a sitting PM, but there’s a first time for everything.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
Have the woke had any luck at cancelling GB News? Have any of the advertisers caved?
The reality is that GB News won't be able to sell much in the way of advertising until they have established viewing patterns.
The lack of HD, btw, is utterly incomprehensible. It basically means that GB News won't be streamed in office lobbies.
I don't really watch the news on tv, it is too depressing. A doctor once actually advised me to stop wayching the news and reading the paper! Living on the outskirts of London, I particularly make sureI don't watch the regional news anymore, as it's always about some inner city crime in a place that seems a million miles away that I want nothing to do with. Such a contrast to hen I drop my son off at his Grandparent who actually live in Essex, and their local news is about the trade in some market in East Anglia picking up
Anyway, comparing GB News to what I do watch, it seems really shoddy. I actually have that girl on at the moments phone number. She was Farage's lackey I think.
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
An announcement of this importance has to be Boris
I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
If he had not had to be at Nato Brussels with Joe Biden I have no doubt he would be at the HOC right now
If he can be in Downing Street by 6pm, why couldn’t he be in Parliament by 6pm?
I do not have his diary to be fair
And the meeting in Brussels has just concluded apparently
One can perhaps understand why he doesn’t want to face tough questioning in Parliament, after a busy few days, and prefers gentler questions from the press that he can choose to disregard, but it doesn’t look good.
I doubt the populace care about procedures and Boris is hardly new to doing this
The thing is the Speaker is furious, but as far as I can tell is impotent in doing anything
And of course it infuriates Boris opponents
It is not “procedure” for the sake of it.
The concept is simple, the PM is accountable to Parliament, and Parliament is entitled to some form of scrutiny.
Otherwise you (as a voter) are handing over the job of representing you to Robert Peston and Laura K.
I actually agree but Boris is unique in this regard and so far the voter backs him
From where I'm sitting, the cases figures look rather encouraging.
We've had six consecutive days of reported cases in the six-thousands now (for England), and the lagged cases-by-specimen-date seem to be matching those. It's still (probably) growing, but considerably slower than we'd have projected.
The North West is looking more and more like it may have already levelled off.
Hospital admissions still climbing: seven day average for England up until the 12th of June is now up nearly 50% week on week - but this is against the case growth of a week prior, of course, so that could be the fastest growth we'll see.
The 7-day average of admissions is still only 143 (with a maximum so far of 162). Number in hospital in England still under 1000 as of this morning; we'll go past that soon, but maybe not by too much. It's very plausible that we won't go past 2,000, or even 1,500.
(Edit: And if cases are falling by early July, it makes opening up far easier in July, even if hospitalisations have only just flattened off by then)
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
An announcement of this importance has to be Boris
I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
If he had not had to be at Nato Brussels with Joe Biden I have no doubt he would be at the HOC right now
If he can be in Downing Street by 6pm, why couldn’t he be in Parliament by 6pm?
I do not have his diary to be fair
And the meeting in Brussels has just concluded apparently
One can perhaps understand why he doesn’t want to face tough questioning in Parliament, after a busy few days, and prefers gentler questions from the press that he can choose to disregard, but it doesn’t look good.
I doubt the populace care about procedures and Boris is hardly new to doing this
The thing is the Speaker is furious, but as far as I can tell is impotent in doing anything
And of course it infuriates Boris opponents
It is a self imposed impotence. And it matters if you believe in parliamentary democracy.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
Try writing that again remembering that in England that most people under 30 haven't had a chance of being vaccinated yet..
The increase in the rate of cases has now fallen five days in succession IIRC.
Probably just noise...
Friday -> Monday (Reported) tends to drop or remain flat even when cases are rising. Monday -> Friday is a better test of whether cases are actually rising or not.
It's a week-on-week figure though... is that what you are saying? That Monday through Sunday shows better numbers than, say, Saturday through Friday...?
Todays England case numbers compared to last Monday, are up 35.29%
Indeed, they are increasing – we know that – but the week-on-week rise has fallen now five days in succession...
Just sayin'.
The Week on week increases reported last week, where inflated by the inures in testing, after the school half term low, and will have been more cases the week before that where not spotted as the testing did not happen.
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
Quite right.
Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
To be fair the government have form here. What will be entertaining is that they got shut of Bercow and expected to get an easier ride. Hoyle is less opinionated on the issues but not so on parliamentary practice.
Hoyle is has the procedure right, but refuses to exercise any form of censure.
Still waiting for the PM to apologise to the House for his various mendacities.
As we saw with the unlawful overseas aid cut - which really ought to have been subject to a vote in the Commons - the Speaker is quite prepared to sound off, and do nothing of consequence. I doubt it bothers Johnson very much.
I believe the Speaker can “name” the PM and have him suspended from the House for a few days.
Presume Raab becomes the acting PM in Parliament.
I doubt this has been done to a sitting PM, but there’s a first time for everything.
He would still be PM. In the olden days, the PM used to be in the HoL, so doesn't need to sit in the commons anyway.
From where I'm sitting, the cases figures look rather encouraging.
We've had six consecutive days of reported cases in the six-thousands now (for England), and the lagged cases-by-specimen-date seem to be matching those. It's still (probably) growing, but considerably slower than we'd have projected.
The North West is looking more and more like it may have already levelled off.
Hospital admissions still climbing: seven day average for England up until the 12th of June is now up nearly 50% week on week - but this is against the case growth of a week prior, of course, so that could be the fastest growth we'll see.
The 7-day average of admissions is still only 143 (with a maximum so far of 162). Number in hospital in England still under 1000 as of this morning; we'll go past that soon, but maybe not by too much. It's very plausible that we won't go past 2,000, or even 1,500.
(Edit: And if cases are falling by early July, it makes opening up far easier in July, even if hospitalisations have only just flattened off by then)
From where I'm sitting, the cases figures look rather encouraging.
We've had six consecutive days of reported cases in the six-thousands now (for England), and the lagged cases-by-specimen-date seem to be matching those. It's still (probably) growing, but considerably slower than we'd have projected.
The North West is looking more and more like it may have already levelled off.
Hospital admissions still climbing: seven day average for England up until the 12th of June is now up nearly 50% week on week - but this is against the case growth of a week prior, of course, so that could be the fastest growth we'll see.
The 7-day average of admissions is still only 143 (with a maximum so far of 162). Number in hospital in England still under 1000 as of this morning; we'll go past that soon, but maybe not by too much. It's very plausible that we won't go past 2,000, or even 1,500.
(Edit: And if cases are falling by early July, it makes opening up far easier in July, even if hospitalisations have only just flattened off by then)
Indeed Andy, thanks for the analysis – you do it so much better than me. I had spotted that the w-o-w rise has been falling for five days now. Which I wondered whether was noise, but as each day passes it becomes less likely to be.
I’ve not been anywhere that doesn’t allow you to verbally provide a name and number and most places in these parts don’t even ask for that. If anyone insisted I download an app, I’d walk out.
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
An announcement of this importance has to be Boris
I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
If he had not had to be at Nato Brussels with Joe Biden I have no doubt he would be at the HOC right now
If he can be in Downing Street by 6pm, why couldn’t he be in Parliament by 6pm?
I do not have his diary to be fair
And the meeting in Brussels has just concluded apparently
One can perhaps understand why he doesn’t want to face tough questioning in Parliament, after a busy few days, and prefers gentler questions from the press that he can choose to disregard, but it doesn’t look good.
I doubt the populace care about procedures and Boris is hardly new to doing this
The thing is the Speaker is furious, but as far as I can tell is impotent in doing anything
About to be revived by Boris tonight unfortunately
In your dreams
ReformUK could be on 5-10% in the polls by next weekend
Feel free to concede defeat on your position of a year ago that India would be virtually untouched by covid because of its longevity deficit.
Absolutely not, Indian death rate per million from Covid now 269, below the 490.2 global average Covid deaths per million and well below the 1,875 Covid deaths per million we have had in the UK.
Yes India has had a lot of cases and is second overall in terms of total cases now but its younger average population still means it has had a significantly lower death rate than the global average, exactly as I predicted https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
An announcement of this importance has to be Boris
I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
If he had not had to be at Nato Brussels with Joe Biden I have no doubt he would be at the HOC right now
If he can be in Downing Street by 6pm, why couldn’t he be in Parliament by 6pm?
I do not have his diary to be fair
And the meeting in Brussels has just concluded apparently
One can perhaps understand why he doesn’t want to face tough questioning in Parliament, after a busy few days, and prefers gentler questions from the press that he can choose to disregard, but it doesn’t look good.
I doubt the populace care about procedures and Boris is hardly new to doing this
The thing is the Speaker is furious, but as far as I can tell is impotent in doing anything
And of course it infuriates Boris opponents
It is a self imposed impotence. And it matters if you believe in parliamentary democracy.
Yes it does matter but as long as Boris is PM do not expect convention
He has a track record of this and I do not know how anyone changes him
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
Quite right.
Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
To be fair the government have form here. What will be entertaining is that they got shut of Bercow and expected to get an easier ride. Hoyle is less opinionated on the issues but not so on parliamentary practice.
Hoyle is has the procedure right, but refuses to exercise any form of censure.
Still waiting for the PM to apologise to the House for his various mendacities.
As we saw with the unlawful overseas aid cut - which really ought to have been subject to a vote in the Commons - the Speaker is quite prepared to sound off, and do nothing of consequence. I doubt it bothers Johnson very much.
I believe the Speaker can “name” the PM and have him suspended from the House for a few days.
Presume Raab becomes the acting PM in Parliament.
I doubt this has been done to a sitting PM, but there’s a first time for everything.
He would still be PM. In the olden days, the PM used to be in the HoL, so doesn't need to sit in the commons anyway.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
Try writing that again remembering that in England that most people under 30 haven't had a chance of being vaccinated yet..
What’s that got to do with anything? If everyone over 40 took responsibility and got vaxxed, we’d pretty much have no hospitalisations at all.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
Quite right.
Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
To be fair the government have form here. What will be entertaining is that they got shut of Bercow and expected to get an easier ride. Hoyle is less opinionated on the issues but not so on parliamentary practice.
Hoyle is has the procedure right, but refuses to exercise any form of censure.
Still waiting for the PM to apologise to the House for his various mendacities.
As we saw with the unlawful overseas aid cut - which really ought to have been subject to a vote in the Commons - the Speaker is quite prepared to sound off, and do nothing of consequence. I doubt it bothers Johnson very much.
I believe the Speaker can “name” the PM and have him suspended from the House for a few days.
Presume Raab becomes the acting PM in Parliament.
I doubt this has been done to a sitting PM, but there’s a first time for everything.
He doesn't have to do anything like that - he could, for example, have allowed a substantive vote for the overseas aid rebels. I realise he's reluctant to 'do a Bercow', but Johnson has no such inhibitions, and his behaviour requires a substantive response.
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
Quite right.
Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
To be fair the government have form here. What will be entertaining is that they got shut of Bercow and expected to get an easier ride. Hoyle is less opinionated on the issues but not so on parliamentary practice.
Hoyle is has the procedure right, but refuses to exercise any form of censure.
Still waiting for the PM to apologise to the House for his various mendacities.
As we saw with the unlawful overseas aid cut - which really ought to have been subject to a vote in the Commons - the Speaker is quite prepared to sound off, and do nothing of consequence. I doubt it bothers Johnson very much.
I believe the Speaker can “name” the PM and have him suspended from the House for a few days.
Presume Raab becomes the acting PM in Parliament.
I doubt this has been done to a sitting PM, but there’s a first time for everything.
He doesn't have to do anything like that - he could, for example, have allowed a substantive vote for the overseas aid rebels. I realise he's reluctant to 'do a Bercow', but Johnson has no such inhibitions, and his behaviour requires a substantive response.
Bercow’s issue was the made the Speaker-hood political. That should be resisted.
No, the Speaker should use the procedural tools open to him.
Call me a cynical Cyrus, but I can't help wondering if the possibility of MPs asking questions is why Boris doing the press conference but not the Commons statement.
Still, if Mark Harper doesn't like the actions of his party leader, he has a quick and direct route to do something about that.
From where I'm sitting, the cases figures look rather encouraging.
We've had six consecutive days of reported cases in the six-thousands now (for England), and the lagged cases-by-specimen-date seem to be matching those. It's still (probably) growing, but considerably slower than we'd have projected.
The North West is looking more and more like it may have already levelled off.
Hospital admissions still climbing: seven day average for England up until the 12th of June is now up nearly 50% week on week - but this is against the case growth of a week prior, of course, so that could be the fastest growth we'll see.
The 7-day average of admissions is still only 143 (with a maximum so far of 162). Number in hospital in England still under 1000 as of this morning; we'll go past that soon, but maybe not by too much. It's very plausible that we won't go past 2,000, or even 1,500.
(Edit: And if cases are falling by early July, it makes opening up far easier in July, even if hospitalisations have only just flattened off by then)
If there was a market, I would put money on cases peeking, on or before 21 June, that is by specimen date and using the mid point of a 7 day average.
Just for info at least 2 local pubs have had outbreaks in last few days
I have been at one of them but not contacted by track and trace .That one was closed for at least 24 hours but reopen after a clean and new staff shipped in (it's part of a chain)
Per ratings posted on Digital Spy, GB News significantly outrated BBC News Channel and Sky News last night - it was very close to having as many viewers as BBC News Channel and Sky News combined.
Only the first night of course - so no real guide to the long term - but still a promising start.
Call me a cynical Cyrus, but I can't help wondering if the possibility of MPs asking questions is why Boris doing the press conference but not the Commons statement.
Still, if Mark Harper doesn't like the actions of his party leader, he has a quick and direct route to do something about that.
You are a cynical Cyrus, and a doubting Darius besides.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
Have the woke had any luck at cancelling GB News? Have any of the advertisers caved?
The reality is that GB News won't be able to sell much in the way of advertising until they have established viewing patterns.
The lack of HD, btw, is utterly incomprehensible. It basically means that GB News won't be streamed in office lobbies.
I don't really watch the news on tv, it is too depressing. A doctor once actually advised me to stop wayching the news and reading the paper! Living on the outskirts of London, I particularly make sureI don't watch the regional news anymore, as it's always about some inner city crime in a place that seems a million miles away that I want nothing to do with. Such a contrast to hen I drop my son off at his Grandparent who actually live in Essex, and their local news is about the trade in some market in East Anglia picking up
Anyway, comparing GB News to what I do watch, it seems really shoddy. I actually have that girl on at the moments phone number. She was Farage's lackey I think.
Why no HD? Schoolboy error, it look so amateurish
No HD is pretty poor planning.
The production values are poor too.
Someone here said it was like the focus was on air not behind the scenes. I think that’s spot on.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
I dont think older people with no skin in the game should have a say on whether we reopen or not
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
An announcement of this importance has to be Boris
I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
If he had not had to be at Nato Brussels with Joe Biden I have no doubt he would be at the HOC right now
If he can be in Downing Street by 6pm, why couldn’t he be in Parliament by 6pm?
I do not have his diary to be fair
And the meeting in Brussels has just concluded apparently
One can perhaps understand why he doesn’t want to face tough questioning in Parliament, after a busy few days, and prefers gentler questions from the press that he can choose to disregard, but it doesn’t look good.
I doubt the populace care about procedures and Boris is hardly new to doing this
The thing is the Speaker is furious, but as far as I can tell is impotent in doing anything
And of course it infuriates Boris opponents
Parliament has the power to sanction...
Yes but what sanction that will not add more points to Boris's popularity
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
An announcement of this importance has to be Boris
I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
If he had not had to be at Nato Brussels with Joe Biden I have no doubt he would be at the HOC right now
If he can be in Downing Street by 6pm, why couldn’t he be in Parliament by 6pm?
I do not have his diary to be fair
And the meeting in Brussels has just concluded apparently
One can perhaps understand why he doesn’t want to face tough questioning in Parliament, after a busy few days, and prefers gentler questions from the press that he can choose to disregard, but it doesn’t look good.
I doubt the populace care about procedures and Boris is hardly new to doing this
The thing is the Speaker is furious, but as far as I can tell is impotent in doing anything
And of course it infuriates Boris opponents
It is a self imposed impotence. And it matters if you believe in parliamentary democracy.
Yes it does matter but as long as Boris is PM do not expect convention
He has a track record of this and I do not know how anyone changes him
Puppy Training 101
If Boris has done something undesirable, Boris needs a sanction. If Boris doesn't get it, Boris's behaviour will just get worse.
I wonder if JRM's nanny is available for a secondment.
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
I dont think older people with no skin in the game should have a say on whether we reopen or not
I’m not sure I follow.
Even those with, as you put it, “skin in the game” in aggregate, favour continued lockdown.
Have the woke had any luck at cancelling GB News? Have any of the advertisers caved?
The reality is that GB News won't be able to sell much in the way of advertising until they have established viewing patterns.
The lack of HD, btw, is utterly incomprehensible. It basically means that GB News won't be streamed in office lobbies.
I don't really watch the news on tv, it is too depressing. A doctor once actually advised me to stop wayching the news and reading the paper! Living on the outskirts of London, I particularly make sureI don't watch the regional news anymore, as it's always about some inner city crime in a place that seems a million miles away that I want nothing to do with. Such a contrast to hen I drop my son off at his Grandparent who actually live in Essex, and their local news is about the trade in some market in East Anglia picking up
Anyway, comparing GB News to what I do watch, it seems really shoddy. I actually have that girl on at the moments phone number. She was Farage's lackey I think.
Why no HD? Schoolboy error, it look so amateurish
No HD is pretty poor planning.
The production values are poor too.
Someone here said it was like the focus was on air not behind the scenes. I think that’s spot on.
Reading my post again, that's got to go down as one of the most poorly written in PB history
I know plenty of older people who have been vaxxed but are wary of a full reopening as it would increase their chances of running into people like you who have chosen not to get vaccinated. Wake up. It’s your f****** fault as much as anyone’s. Unless you have been vaccinated, in my book you lose any right whatsoever to criticise the government for keeping restrictions. And I say this as someone who is sitting here livid with what the government is doing and has written (again) to my MP imploring him to vote against the government.
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Well I’ll tell you what I’d do instead. Id have the army pin you down at gunpoint with a needle. And if necessary inject you with AZN into your eyeball. Because while there’s a big body of unvaccinated people out there who are vulnerable to hospitalisation from covid, normal service will not resume in the healthcare sector. If you don’t like it, you’ve got a month to find somewhere else to call home.
FFS Moonshine many other governments are unlocking with much lower levels of vaccination. Its almost like NOT being vaccinated is more a guarantee of freedom that being vaccinated.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
If Boris HAS to delay he should make it a four week delay but with a review after two. And if the stats are good, reopen earlier
If Boris 'has to delay' it should be for 48 or 72 hours, to allow an extra weeks worth of data to be analysed, This time next week there will be 2 full weeks of data without the 'half term' effect confusing things, and it may all seem to be not as bad as it looks now.
This would also allow weekend things to go on as planed for the week end of the 26/27 June, and for the furlough scheme to start to be tapered off at the start of July.
Just popping back to the by election. The Lib Dems seem more confident in their weekend literature than I have seen in 20 years. Could this be a landslide or will the postal vote get the Cons home. A landslide would be something like 4 -7000 majority!
Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public
Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
Quite right.
Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
I feel confident that my entire life people have complained about things being told to the press before Parliament. It's still worth complaining about, but everyone involved knows it is part of the game now and their fury, however righteous, is part of that game.
I don't know about the "all but conceded" - I've only today had another request from Labour to help with Chesham telephone knock-up on the day. Obviously Labour won't win, but it's pretty unlikely that the LibDems will either, so the argument will be to vote according to your actual preference. No doubt exactly the reverse will happen in Batley and Spen. I wish both parties would stop it and cooperate, but they really don't.
If Boris HAS to delay he should make it a four week delay but with a review after two. And if the stats are good, reopen earlier
If Boris 'has to delay' it should be for 48 or 72 hours, to allow an extra weeks worth of data to be analysed, This time next week there will be 2 full weeks of data without the 'half term' effect confusing things, and it may all seem to be not as bad as it looks now.
This would also allow weekend things to go on as planed for the week end of the 26/27 June, and for the furlough scheme to start to be tapered off at the start of July.
I thought about that. It won't happen yet you might be proved right.
Back to the seasonality question. It's been warm and sunny, and people have been out and about in the fresh air. Might that account for some of the levelling off in case rises recently?
If so then the biblical deluge we're all about to be subjected to from Thursday onwards, for several days at least, isn't good news. Maxima of 13-14C on Friday and mid teens at the weekend under leaden skies and torrential downpours. Los of friends and family crowding indoors.
It is time to consider removing the vote from the over 60s.
Followed by compulsory purchase of their five bedroom (but empty) homes in the suburbs.
Remove the Stannah stairlifts and you’ve got room for a half dozen poverty stricken millennials.
The oldies have been at the trough for too long.
If you wanted to do one thing to improve the age divide in this country, I think it would be reform of planning for bungalows. No restrictions on building them more or less wherever you want. But a total and immediate nationwide ban on putting in an upstairs conversion under any circumstance. You could help things by loosening the rules over single story annexes too.
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OTOH I doubt I'll be voting again until long after it ends so its rather moot.
If I got polled I don't know how I could respond. If there were an election tomorrow I'd spoil my ballot, but is that a polling option?
This brick has been loose for some time, but nevertheless...
Just sayin'.
The thing is the Speaker is furious, but as far as I can tell is impotent in doing anything
And of course it infuriates Boris opponents
The lack of HD, btw, is utterly incomprehensible. It basically means that GB News won't be streamed in office lobbies.
However opposition rises to 28% amongst Tory voters and 29% amongst Leave voters and 34% amongst 18 to 24 year olds
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1404461708517777412?s=20
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1404458127089704962?s=20
These are extraordinary numbers.
Go figure.
The concept is simple, the PM is accountable to Parliament, and Parliament is entitled to some form of scrutiny.
Otherwise you (as a voter) are handing over the job of representing you to Robert Peston and Laura K.
Someday normality will return but not sure when
I doubt it bothers Johnson very much.
SHOCKED!
Utterly inexcusable.
The fact that an embargoed copy of decisions taken is already with the media before Parliament has been told is not acceptable.
Our constituents expect MPs to have the chance to ask questions on their behalf on these critical issues.
https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1404463181540564993?s=20
YouGov: By 56% to 29% the English public say the current limit of 30 guests at weddings is fair, ahead of Boris Johnson's announcement today
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1404463445802684420
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1404456196405403657
Australia media reporting agreement in principle of trade deal with UK will be announced tmrw - not a v well kept secret...
As I noted upthread, one Indian state has had an excess mortality rate per million greater than the UK Covid death rate, in the space of two months.
With a population average age 23.
Presume Raab becomes the acting PM in Parliament.
I doubt this has been done to a sitting PM, but there’s a first time for everything.
Anyway, comparing GB News to what I do watch, it seems really shoddy. I actually have that girl on at the moments phone number. She was Farage's lackey I think.
Why no HD? Schoolboy error, it look so amateurish
We've had six consecutive days of reported cases in the six-thousands now (for England), and the lagged cases-by-specimen-date seem to be matching those.
It's still (probably) growing, but considerably slower than we'd have projected.
The North West is looking more and more like it may have already levelled off.
Hospital admissions still climbing: seven day average for England up until the 12th of June is now up nearly 50% week on week - but this is against the case growth of a week prior, of course, so that could be the fastest growth we'll see.
The 7-day average of admissions is still only 143 (with a maximum so far of 162). Number in hospital in England still under 1000 as of this morning; we'll go past that soon, but maybe not by too much. It's very plausible that we won't go past 2,000, or even 1,500.
(Edit: And if cases are falling by early July, it makes opening up far easier in July, even if hospitalisations have only just flattened off by then)
And it matters if you believe in parliamentary democracy.
If the PM's schedule means he can't come to the HoC first - understandable today - he could at least have the common courtesy to send a Minister.
You just toggle off the contract tracing element, under Settings
If you do that you can still check in to a venue, but you can't be bossed around
"The venue check-in feature works independently of the contact tracing feature. If you get a venue alert it will not tell you to self-isolate."
https://faq.covid19.nhs.uk/article/KA-01312/en-us
He would still be PM. In the olden days, the PM used to be in the HoL, so doesn't need to sit in the commons anyway.
I doubt they would feel similar if it was a close friend or family member's wedding.
People like rules that don't affect them personally.
I believe @MaxPB has noted this before.
Britain is a country of ageing curtain-twitchers, who glory in the misery of others.
If you want to understand the U.K., read the Daily Mail.
Yes India has had a lot of cases and is second overall in terms of total cases now but its younger average population still means it has had a significantly lower death rate than the global average, exactly as I predicted
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
I did spot 1 Green poster and 1 Conservative.
He has a track record of this and I do not know how anyone changes him
They can ensure the risk is zero by staying in their homes, social distancing and wearing masks or ensuring they only meet people outside their bubble in the open air. That's their choice.
Someone got France and Spain, another person England and Germany :
I realise he's reluctant to 'do a Bercow', but Johnson has no such inhibitions, and his behaviour requires a substantive response.
No, the Speaker should use the procedural tools open to him.
Still, if Mark Harper doesn't like the actions of his party leader, he has a quick and direct route to do something about that.
I have been at one of them but not contacted by track and trace .That one was closed for at least 24 hours but reopen after a clean and new staff shipped in (it's part of a chain)
Only the first night of course - so no real guide to the long term - but still a promising start.
F8ck with that and watch them turn. Watch the government run out of money, get swamped by inflation, and see how much they worry about COVID then.
The production values are poor too.
Someone here said it was like the focus was on air not behind the scenes. I think that’s spot on.
Much anticipated by some, but turns out to be a bunch of malfunctioning hooey.
If Boris has done something undesirable, Boris needs a sanction.
If Boris doesn't get it, Boris's behaviour will just get worse.
I wonder if JRM's nanny is available for a secondment.
Even those with, as you put it, “skin in the game” in aggregate, favour continued lockdown.
It is our government that is devaluing your vaccination currency, not me.
This would also allow weekend things to go on as planed for the week end of the 26/27 June, and for the furlough scheme to start to be tapered off at the start of July.
A landslide would be something like 4 -7000 majority!
Followed by compulsory purchase of their five bedroom (but empty) homes in the suburbs.
Remove the Stannah stairlifts and you’ve got room for a half dozen poverty stricken millennials.
The oldies have been at the trough for too long.
Same applies to MSPs elected to Holyrood. Will the Presiding Officer rebuke Sturgeon in the same regard?
ScotGov needs to stop hiding from Holyrood.
https://twitter.com/Jackson_Carlaw/status/1404455952120750082?s=20
Extraordinary - @metpoliceuk account tweeting that "gatherings of more than 30 people are illegal" when there is a specific exception for protests
https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1404467573714980869?s=20
Also they tweet "illegal under the guidelines"
If they're "guidelines" they aren't "law" - so they can't be "illegal".....
If so then the biblical deluge we're all about to be subjected to from Thursday onwards, for several days at least, isn't good news. Maxima of 13-14C on Friday and mid teens at the weekend under leaden skies and torrential downpours. Los of friends and family crowding indoors.
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