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With three days to go the best Chesham and Amersham bet – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,016
edited June 2021 in General
imageWith three days to go the best Chesham and Amersham bet – politicalbetting.com

Although you might not have noticed it if you follow the national media there is a by-election on Thursday which has the potential to cause shockwaves. Chesham and Amersham is the first such contest since Brecon in 2019 where the LDs think they are in with a shout and have been throwing everything at the campaign. Leader Ed Davey has been there almost every day and hundreds of activists from all over the country have been working on the campaign.

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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Test
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    Second like Scotland.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,101
    "Demand Better....Than Ed Davey!"
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,375
    Ah C&A that brings back memories.

    I do know a joke involving C&A from my youth but this is a family friendly website.

    Plus I don’t want to trigger the snowflakes, again.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,885
    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    If the LDs do win Chesham and Amersham on Thursday, or get close they will have two things to thank.

    First, rising Nimbyism in the Home Counties in opposition to new greenbelt development leading to a LD protest vote.

    Second, Boris cancelling Freedom Day today leading to some Tory libertarians and hospitality business owners and workers voting ReformUK as a protest
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    pingping Posts: 3,731
    Scotland can’t finish.

    They’re hopeless.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,940
    Noise?

    David Paton
    @cricketwyvern
    ·
    1h
    Two other snippets of data from our "early-warning signals":

    1. Latest Zoe estimate for England up 2%. We can still expect to see day-to-day ups & downs but clear the rate of increase has dropped significantly. In North West, effectively zero increase today.



    David Paton
    @cricketwyvern
    ·
    1h
    2. NHS triage: latest 7-day average (up to 13th June) is actually down 3% on the day and also slightly lower than a week ago.



    David Paton
    @cricketwyvern
    · 1h
    Across the whole of the North West, hospital deaths are averaging around 2 per day despite that being the hardest hit region.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,940
    ping said:

    Scotland can’t finish.

    They’re hopeless.


    They have had plenty of chances. As you say, they can't finish!
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,024
    Lab Leak:


    "For much of 2020, Peter Daszak — president of EcoHealth Alliance, longtime partner of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and one of the most staunch and outspoken critics of the lab-leak theory — insisted that there were no live bats within the Institute. He tweeted in December that, “No BATS ‘were sent to Wuhan lab for genetic analyses of viruses collected in the field’ That’s not how this science works. We collect bat samples, send them to the lab. We RELEASE bats where we catch them!” At some point, Daszak deleted his tweets making that assertion, but if he ever publicly admitted he was wrong, he was awfully quiet about it."

    https://twitter.com/jimgeraghty/status/1404418025374326797?s=20

    Oh wait, there's a video of bats in the lab

    https://twitter.com/OpIndia_com/status/1404372636692406273?s=20


    Meanwhile, a chortling Doctor Fauci says that if it was a wild bat that escaped from the the lab then that's just the same as natural zoonosies

    https://twitter.com/HansMahncke/status/1404424674122027020?s=20
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977
    ping said:

    Scotland can’t finish.

    They’re hopeless.

    I wonder how they’ll approach the England game. The Czech Republic haven’t exactly been “amazing” but they’ve got their tactics right.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    Quite surprised OGH has got a time machine to get the C and A results from the 2917 general election
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,375
    ping said:

    Scotland can’t finish.

    They’re hopeless.

    They couldn’t score in a brothel with £5,000 in notes in each hand.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273
    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    If Keir backs the government on Covid extension, he really has shit for brains.

    He should only back if:

    1. Am immediate enquiry is set up into the conduct of our Covid response.

    2. The furlough taper is pushed back a month and special package confirmed for hospitality and arts businesses.

    3. There are procedural changes to SAGE to achieve full transparency of membership and deliberation.

    4. There is a change in vax policy to shift the AZN stockpile.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273
    HYUFD said:

    If the LDs do win Chesham and Amersham on Thursday, or get close they will have two things to thank.

    First, rising Nimbyism in the Home Counties in opposition to new greenbelt development leading to a LD protest vote.

    Second, Boris cancelling Freedom Day today leading to some Tory libertarians and hospitality business owners and workers voting ReformUK as a protest

    Who
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
    Quite right.

    Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914
    I'll be fascinated to see the xGoals for the Scotland match.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    IS there a market in this for the Greens beating Labour?
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,940

    ping said:

    Scotland can’t finish.

    They’re hopeless.

    I wonder how they’ll approach the England game. The Czech Republic haven’t exactly been “amazing” but they’ve got their tactics right.

    Four third placed teams qualify. It's possible that three points will be enough to go through... So I think they have to attack, attack, attack.
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    Simon_PeachSimon_Peach Posts: 408

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    BigRich said:

    IS there a market in this for the Greens beating Labour?

    I haven't seen one but it would be a good bet. I'm told that the Green vote is the hardest to squeeze.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273

    If Keir backs the government on Covid extension, he really has shit for brains.

    He should only back if:

    1. Am immediate enquiry is set up into the conduct of our Covid response.

    2. The furlough taper is pushed back a month and special package confirmed for hospitality and arts businesses.

    3. There are procedural changes to SAGE to achieve full transparency of membership and deliberation.

    4. There is a change in vax policy to shift the AZN stockpile.

    And HMG reject his conditions he then votes against something which has considerable support

    Really
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    edited June 2021

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
    Quite right.

    Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
    Although in this particular case are any changes to the law needed? If not, there's less of an issue.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,024
    lol
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
    An announcement of this importance has to be Boris

    I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
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    contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    If Keir backs the government on Covid extension, he really has shit for brains.

    He should only back if:

    1. Am immediate enquiry is set up into the conduct of our Covid response.

    2. The furlough taper is pushed back a month and special package confirmed for hospitality and arts businesses.

    3. There are procedural changes to SAGE to achieve full transparency of membership and deliberation.

    4. There is a change in vax policy to shift the AZN stockpile.

    How can Starmer criticise the tories for not extending furlough and offering packages...when that is precisely what he is f8cking voting for?

    He is voting for a tory lockdown, FFS.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited June 2021
    BigRich said:

    IS there a market in this for the Greens beating Labour?

    ReformUK beating both Labour and the Greens is also a possibility after tonight's Freedom Day cancellation, indeed if Labour has a really poor night it could end up 5th behind the Tories, LDs, Reform UK and Greens
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273
    edited June 2021
    BigRich said:

    IS there a market in this for the Greens beating Labour?

    Greens not standing as far as I am aware

    Sorry my mistake. They are not standing in Batley and Spen
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908

    If Keir backs the government on Covid extension, he really has shit for brains.

    He should only back if:

    1. Am immediate enquiry is set up into the conduct of our Covid response.

    2. The furlough taper is pushed back a month and special package confirmed for hospitality and arts businesses.

    3. There are procedural changes to SAGE to achieve full transparency of membership and deliberation.

    4. There is a change in vax policy to shift the AZN stockpile.

    And HMG reject his conditions he then votes against something which has considerable support

    Really
    He would be pretty mad to vote against I think.
    Tories would argue Labour blocked restrictions, blame them for the virus spreading etc.

    He does need to find a way to remind the public that if we'd followed his hotel quarantine plan in Feb -> we would be unlocking on time. Perhaps if he could force a vote on doing that now/add an amendment, he could get the Tories on the record?
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    citycentrecitycentre Posts: 90
    From the times now
    Covid in Scotland: “Variant likely to delay lockdown exit by 10 weeks.”
    That takes us to the end of summer and we know Johnson follows Sturgeon
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    pingping Posts: 3,731
    edited June 2021

    BigRich said:

    IS there a market in this for the Greens beating Labour?

    Greens not standing as far as I am aware
    I think they are in c&a

    They pulled out of batley, iirc
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited June 2021

    HYUFD said:

    If the LDs do win Chesham and Amersham on Thursday, or get close they will have two things to thank.

    First, rising Nimbyism in the Home Counties in opposition to new greenbelt development leading to a LD protest vote.

    Second, Boris cancelling Freedom Day today leading to some Tory libertarians and hospitality business owners and workers voting ReformUK as a protest

    Who
    Farage's new party (now led by Richard Tice) who are standing in the by election on an end Covid restrictions ticket
    https://twitter.com/Alex4CandA/status/1404345100763795459?s=20
    https://twitter.com/reformparty_uk/status/1402584385665355778?s=20
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,282
    fpt
    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    I’d imagine it’s like being at the end of a prison sentence - having spent let’s say 17 months patiently waiting for a year and a half to be up, to be told you have wait another week might make someone disproportionately angry.

    Classic HMF training ruse. Have a 4-tonne wagon ready to take people back home in sight at the end of a long and gruelling run/training exercise and as people approach it, it drives off (just round the corner out of sight, usually).

    To see how many people carry on the X hundred yards extra and how many people it breaks. Which is a larger number than you might have thought.

    That is how the govt is fucking with the mental health of this country atm.
    Did it occur to you at the time that the ones who said 'sod this for a game of soldiers' might have been the sensible ones ?
    Frequently. A great mate of mine when we were doing basic training, we had just completed a week-long final exercise and the were laid up waiting to cross a river. A freezing cold river where we would have to take our uniforms off, bundle them up in a flotation pack, and then get into the water to go across. Horrific, for recruits, as we were then.

    He said "sod this", stood up and off he went. To become a chartered accountant, then to work at CS, then Goldman during the T&T frenzy where he was media analyst and made many, many millions.

    And whenever we see each other now, in company, he says "TOPPING and I are friends from the army". He regrets that he didn't join every day and wishes he had.

    So yes, I do think they were super sensible. And also, that I was as well.
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    Simon_PeachSimon_Peach Posts: 408

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
    An announcement of this importance has to be Boris

    I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
    So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    Noise?

    David Paton
    @cricketwyvern
    ·
    1h
    Two other snippets of data from our "early-warning signals":

    1. Latest Zoe estimate for England up 2%. We can still expect to see day-to-day ups & downs but clear the rate of increase has dropped significantly. In North West, effectively zero increase today.



    David Paton
    @cricketwyvern
    ·
    1h
    2. NHS triage: latest 7-day average (up to 13th June) is actually down 3% on the day and also slightly lower than a week ago.



    David Paton
    @cricketwyvern
    · 1h
    Across the whole of the North West, hospital deaths are averaging around 2 per day despite that being the hardest hit region.

    A lot of the attention a the moment is on the 66% weekly incres reported last Wednesday, however that will have partly been a 'faulse' peek, created by the incres in testing up 29% week on week, and itself was created by the lack of testing the week before because of the half term, (and bank holiday).

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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,024

    From the times now
    Covid in Scotland: “Variant likely to delay lockdown exit by 10 weeks.”
    That takes us to the end of summer and we know Johnson follows Sturgeon

    No no no no no no no
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847

    If Keir backs the government on Covid extension, he really has shit for brains.

    He should only back if:

    1. Am immediate enquiry is set up into the conduct of our Covid response.

    2. The furlough taper is pushed back a month and special package confirmed for hospitality and arts businesses.

    3. There are procedural changes to SAGE to achieve full transparency of membership and deliberation.

    4. There is a change in vax policy to shift the AZN stockpile.

    And HMG reject his conditions he then votes against something which has considerable support

    Really
    Considerable support among the comfortably retired.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983

    From the times now
    Covid in Scotland: “Variant likely to delay lockdown exit by 10 weeks.”
    That takes us to the end of summer and we know Johnson follows Sturgeon

    That means no end to restrictions until next Spring at the earliest as we are then into winter flu season and further likely mutations
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
    An announcement of this importance has to be Boris

    I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
    So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
    Boris can do no wrong in Big G’s eyes.
    (Big G will deny this, but better to observe action rather than words).
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,518
    .
    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    I’d imagine it’s like being at the end of a prison sentence - having spent let’s say 17 months patiently waiting for a year and a half to be up, to be told you have wait another week might make someone disproportionately angry.

    Classic HMF training ruse. Have a 4-tonne wagon ready to take people back home in sight at the end of a long and gruelling run/training exercise and as people approach it, it drives off (just round the corner out of sight, usually).

    To see how many people carry on the X hundred yards extra and how many people it breaks. Which is a larger number than you might have thought.

    That is how the govt is fucking with the mental health of this country atm.
    Did it occur to you at the time that the ones who said 'sod this for a game of soldiers' might have been the sensible ones ?
    Frequently. A great mate of mine when we were doing basic training, we had just completed a week-long final exercise and the were laid up waiting to cross a river. A freezing cold river where we would have to take our uniforms off, bundle them up in a flotation pack, and then get into the water to go across. Horrific, for recruits, as we were then.

    He said "sod this", stood up and off he went. To become a chartered accountant, then to work at CS, then Goldman during the T&T frenzy where he was media analyst and made many, many millions.

    And whenever we see each other now, in company, he says "TOPPING and I are friends from the army". He regrets that he didn't join every day and wishes he had.

    So yes, I do think they were super sensible. And also, that I was as well.
    A fair response.
    A successful fighting army does, I suppose, rely on a decent number of unreasonable people in it.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,024
    HYUFD said:

    From the times now
    Covid in Scotland: “Variant likely to delay lockdown exit by 10 weeks.”
    That takes us to the end of summer and we know Johnson follows Sturgeon

    That means no end to restrictions until next Spring at the earliest as we are then into winter flu season and further likely mutations
    We need to starting chucking Molotov cocktails quite soon

    And I don't think I am joking. Perhaps only civil strife will make the government see sense. The people have always had to fight for their freedom
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273
    rkrkrk said:

    If Keir backs the government on Covid extension, he really has shit for brains.

    He should only back if:

    1. Am immediate enquiry is set up into the conduct of our Covid response.

    2. The furlough taper is pushed back a month and special package confirmed for hospitality and arts businesses.

    3. There are procedural changes to SAGE to achieve full transparency of membership and deliberation.

    4. There is a change in vax policy to shift the AZN stockpile.

    And HMG reject his conditions he then votes against something which has considerable support

    Really
    He would be pretty mad to vote against I think.
    Tories would argue Labour blocked restrictions, blame them for the virus spreading etc.

    He does need to find a way to remind the public that if we'd followed his hotel quarantine plan in Feb -> we would be unlocking on time. Perhaps if he could force a vote on doing that now/add an amendment, he could get the Tories on the record?
    Problem is that Drakeford (Wales labour) did just that in Wales and chaos ensued after the lockdown's 14 days resulting in a much longer later lockdown
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    If the LDs do win Chesham and Amersham on Thursday, or get close they will have two things to thank.

    First, rising Nimbyism in the Home Counties in opposition to new greenbelt development leading to a LD protest vote.

    Second, Boris cancelling Freedom Day today leading to some Tory libertarians and hospitality business owners and workers voting ReformUK as a protest

    Who
    Farage's new party (now led by Richard Tice) who are standing in the by election on an end Covid restrictions ticket
    https://twitter.com/Alex4CandA/status/1404345100763795459?s=20
    https://twitter.com/reformparty_uk/status/1402584385665355778?s=20
    Has beens
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914
    Win for Scotland on xG. Two massive chances for Scotland, and only one for the Czechs. Second Czech goal not even classified as a chance.
    Keeping and finishing the difference.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited June 2021
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    From the times now
    Covid in Scotland: “Variant likely to delay lockdown exit by 10 weeks.”
    That takes us to the end of summer and we know Johnson follows Sturgeon

    That means no end to restrictions until next Spring at the earliest as we are then into winter flu season and further likely mutations
    We need to starting chucking Molotov cocktails quite soon

    And I don't think I am joking. Perhaps only civil strife will make the government see sense. The people have always had to fight for their freedom
    Or they could vote ReformUK if they want to protest.

    Now over half of UK adults have had both jabs which should protect against the Indian variant and we are in the height of summer then if as confirmed by Boris tonight we do not fully reopen now I think it unlikely we will fully reopen for the rest of the year
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,518

    "Demand Better....Than Ed Davey!"

    That one thing which makes me a bit doubtful about this bet - Davey has been almost as invisible as great uncle Vince used to be.
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    contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    HYUFD said:

    From the times now
    Covid in Scotland: “Variant likely to delay lockdown exit by 10 weeks.”
    That takes us to the end of summer and we know Johnson follows Sturgeon

    That means no end to restrictions until next Spring at the earliest as we are then into winter flu season and further likely mutations
    A winter of restrictions would enable Reform to build quite a bank of support in England I guess. And that is what the back benchers are worried about?
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273
    ping said:

    BigRich said:

    IS there a market in this for the Greens beating Labour?

    Greens not standing as far as I am aware
    I think they are in c&a

    They pulled out of batley, iirc
    Yes and I have apologised for my error

    Tempus fugit
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    From the times now
    Covid in Scotland: “Variant likely to delay lockdown exit by 10 weeks.”
    That takes us to the end of summer and we know Johnson follows Sturgeon

    At Mrs BigRich suggestion we booked a holiday to the Orkneys in July a few months back. I had assumed that this would all be over by then :( but at lest we should still be able to get there, unlike my suggestion of booking a trip to the USA.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,940
    The increase in the rate of cases has now fallen five days in succession IIRC.

    Probably just noise...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited June 2021

    HYUFD said:

    From the times now
    Covid in Scotland: “Variant likely to delay lockdown exit by 10 weeks.”
    That takes us to the end of summer and we know Johnson follows Sturgeon

    That means no end to restrictions until next Spring at the earliest as we are then into winter flu season and further likely mutations
    A winter of restrictions would enable Reform to build quite a bank of support in England I guess. And that is what the back benchers are worried about?
    Yes, they are panicking Boris' cancellation of Freedom Day tonight could be as damaging as May's cancellation of Brexit in Spring 2019 in sending Tory voters to Farage and Tice.

    Probably the effect won't be as big but I still expect some leakage from Tory libertarians and those in the hospitality industry particularly
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
    An announcement of this importance has to be Boris

    I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
    So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
    If he had not had to be at Nato Brussels with Joe Biden I have no doubt he would be at the HOC right now
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    If the LDs do win Chesham and Amersham on Thursday, or get close they will have two things to thank.

    First, rising Nimbyism in the Home Counties in opposition to new greenbelt development leading to a LD protest vote.

    Second, Boris cancelling Freedom Day today leading to some Tory libertarians and hospitality business owners and workers voting ReformUK as a protest

    Who
    Farage's new party (now led by Richard Tice) who are standing in the by election on an end Covid restrictions ticket
    https://twitter.com/Alex4CandA/status/1404345100763795459?s=20
    https://twitter.com/reformparty_uk/status/1402584385665355778?s=20
    Has beens
    About to be revived by Boris tonight unfortunately
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
    An announcement of this importance has to be Boris

    I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
    So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
    Boris can do no wrong in Big G’s eyes.
    (Big G will deny this, but better to observe action rather than words).
    Indeed he can and he does, but on this I have no issue with it

    It would be the same for any PM in the circumstances

    And how many times do I have to say I support Rishi
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,024
    Everyone on the continent is going on holiday. Covid is ending there, even tho they are 4-8 weeks behind in vaccinations

    My piss boileth
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,192

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
    Quite right.

    Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
    To be fair the government have form here. What will be entertaining is that they got shut of Bercow and expected to get an easier ride. Hoyle is less opinionated on the issues but not so on parliamentary practice.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,282
    Nigelb said:

    .

    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    I’d imagine it’s like being at the end of a prison sentence - having spent let’s say 17 months patiently waiting for a year and a half to be up, to be told you have wait another week might make someone disproportionately angry.

    Classic HMF training ruse. Have a 4-tonne wagon ready to take people back home in sight at the end of a long and gruelling run/training exercise and as people approach it, it drives off (just round the corner out of sight, usually).

    To see how many people carry on the X hundred yards extra and how many people it breaks. Which is a larger number than you might have thought.

    That is how the govt is fucking with the mental health of this country atm.
    Did it occur to you at the time that the ones who said 'sod this for a game of soldiers' might have been the sensible ones ?
    Frequently. A great mate of mine when we were doing basic training, we had just completed a week-long final exercise and the were laid up waiting to cross a river. A freezing cold river where we would have to take our uniforms off, bundle them up in a flotation pack, and then get into the water to go across. Horrific, for recruits, as we were then.

    He said "sod this", stood up and off he went. To become a chartered accountant, then to work at CS, then Goldman during the T&T frenzy where he was media analyst and made many, many millions.

    And whenever we see each other now, in company, he says "TOPPING and I are friends from the army". He regrets that he didn't join every day and wishes he had.

    So yes, I do think they were super sensible. And also, that I was as well.
    A fair response.
    A successful fighting army does, I suppose, rely on a decent number of unreasonable people in it.
    Like this bloke.

    "On the 21st May 1940, Lance Corporal Nicholls was commanding a section in the right-forward platoon of his company when the company was ordered to counter-attack. At the very start of the advance he was wounded in the arm by shrapnel, but continued to lead his section forward; as the company came over a small ridge, the enemy opened heavy machine-gun fire at close range.

    Lance Corporal Nicholls, realising the danger to the company, immediately seized a Bren gun and dashed forward towards the machine-guns, firing from the hip. He succeeded in silencing first one machine-gun and then two other machine-guns, in spite of being again severely wounded.

    Lance-Corporal Nicholls then went on up to a higher piece of ground and engaged the German infantry massed behind, causing many casualties, and continuing to fire until he had no more ammunition left.

    He was wounded at least four times in all, but absolutely refused to give in. There is no doubt that his gallant action was instrumental in enabling his company to reach its objective, and in causing the enemy to fall back across the River Scheldt.

    Lance-corporal Nicholls has since been reported to have been killed in action."


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Nicholls
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,192
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    From the times now
    Covid in Scotland: “Variant likely to delay lockdown exit by 10 weeks.”
    That takes us to the end of summer and we know Johnson follows Sturgeon

    That means no end to restrictions until next Spring at the earliest as we are then into winter flu season and further likely mutations
    We need to starting chucking Molotov cocktails quite soon

    And I don't think I am joking. Perhaps only civil strife will make the government see sense. The people have always had to fight for their freedom
    People are happy to vote for this government whatever it does. They're hardly likely to riot against it.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,940
    Interestingly, London Pubman confidently predicted that we'd be at 10,000 positive tests by this weekend just gone.

    It's Monday, and we aren't.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    Leon said:

    Everyone on the continent is going on holiday. Covid is ending there, even tho they are 4-8 weeks behind in vaccinations

    My piss boileth

    Florida and Texas are now completely restriction free statewide even though they have vaccinated a smaller percentage of their adult population than we have
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,862

    From the times now
    Covid in Scotland: “Variant likely to delay lockdown exit by 10 weeks.”
    That takes us to the end of summer and we know Johnson follows Sturgeon

    If Sturgeon can keep getting the cash she will have it forever, gives her the great excuse to do nothing else.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Nigelb said:

    "Demand Better....Than Ed Davey!"

    That one thing which makes me a bit doubtful about this bet - Davey has been almost as invisible as great uncle Vince used to be.
    Except in C&A
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,518
    The rural Indian state of Madhya Pradesh...

    This represents a mortality rate of around 2000 per million, in the space of two months, in a population average age 23.
    https://twitter.com/Rukmini/status/1403563967172153344
    Officially, Madhya Pradesh reported just 4,461 Covid deaths between January 1 and May 31 2021. The excess deaths seen in the same period are over 42 times the reported Covid death toll, though the entire excess death toll is not attributable to Covid....

    It gives a hint of why scientists might be so concerned about the Delta variant - though clearly the circumstance of Madya Pradesh, and the UK could hardly be more different.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    This is an Alien versus Predator by-election for me.

    Boris chokingon lifting lockdown means he deserves to lose C&A.

    As far as I can tell the Lib Dems are campaigning on NIMBYism and not liberalism against lockdown, so they deserve to lose C&A.

    So why can't they both lose? I don't want 'my own team' to win this week, nor do I want the Lib Dems too. If I was a C&A voter I think I'd spoil my ballot paper.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    If the LDs do win Chesham and Amersham on Thursday, or get close they will have two things to thank.

    First, rising Nimbyism in the Home Counties in opposition to new greenbelt development leading to a LD protest vote.

    Second, Boris cancelling Freedom Day today leading to some Tory libertarians and hospitality business owners and workers voting ReformUK as a protest

    Who
    Farage's new party (now led by Richard Tice) who are standing in the by election on an end Covid restrictions ticket
    https://twitter.com/Alex4CandA/status/1404345100763795459?s=20
    https://twitter.com/reformparty_uk/status/1402584385665355778?s=20
    Has beens
    About to be revived by Boris tonight unfortunately
    In your dreams
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    malcolmg said:

    From the times now
    Covid in Scotland: “Variant likely to delay lockdown exit by 10 weeks.”
    That takes us to the end of summer and we know Johnson follows Sturgeon

    If Sturgeon can keep getting the cash she will have it forever, gives her the great excuse to do nothing else.
    Plus the excuse to avoid pushing indyref2, which she will do now Alba got nowhere in May.

    Welcome to the year of the dither as far as the UK PM and Scottish FM are concerned
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    edited June 2021
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone on the continent is going on holiday. Covid is ending there, even tho they are 4-8 weeks behind in vaccinations

    My piss boileth

    Florida and Texas are now completely restriction free statewide even though they have vaccinated a smaller percentage of their adult population than we have
    Belgium was three week behind us (ie they reopened pubs about a week ago) and should therefore “overtake” is in due course.

    @kingbongo also suggested Denmark was in an advanced state of reopening.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    If the LDs do win Chesham and Amersham on Thursday, or get close they will have two things to thank.

    First, rising Nimbyism in the Home Counties in opposition to new greenbelt development leading to a LD protest vote.

    Second, Boris cancelling Freedom Day today leading to some Tory libertarians and hospitality business owners and workers voting ReformUK as a protest

    Who
    Farage's new party (now led by Richard Tice) who are standing in the by election on an end Covid restrictions ticket
    https://twitter.com/Alex4CandA/status/1404345100763795459?s=20
    https://twitter.com/reformparty_uk/status/1402584385665355778?s=20
    Has beens
    About to be revived by Boris tonight unfortunately
    In your dreams
    ReformUK could be on 5-10% in the polls by next weekend
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    Simon_PeachSimon_Peach Posts: 408

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
    An announcement of this importance has to be Boris

    I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
    So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
    If he had not had to be at Nato Brussels with Joe Biden I have no doubt he would be at the HOC right now
    If he can be in Downing Street by 6pm, why couldn’t he be in Parliament by 6pm?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,518

    Nigelb said:

    "Demand Better....Than Ed Davey!"

    That one thing which makes me a bit doubtful about this bet - Davey has been almost as invisible as great uncle Vince used to be.
    Except in C&A
    Fair point.
    (I've had a small dabble.)
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    HYUFD said:

    Quite surprised OGH has got a time machine to get the C and A results from the 2917 general election

    Typo fixed - thanks
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited June 2021

    This is an Alien versus Predator by-election for me.

    Boris chokingon lifting lockdown means he deserves to lose C&A.

    As far as I can tell the Lib Dems are campaigning on NIMBYism and not liberalism against lockdown, so they deserve to lose C&A.

    So why can't they both lose? I don't want 'my own team' to win this week, nor do I want the Lib Dems too. If I was a C&A voter I think I'd spoil my ballot paper.

    C & A voters protesting against new development will vote LD, C & A voters protesting against further lockdown restrictions will vote ReformUK
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,518

    My mate advised me to bet on a horse called 'Landfill' today.

    Turned out to be a rubbish tip.

    Rumor has it someone claiming to be a football specialist has phoned up the Swedish coach and advised him to line up the team without defenders tonight, because there is no point stopping goals from going in.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
    An announcement of this importance has to be Boris

    I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
    So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
    If he had not had to be at Nato Brussels with Joe Biden I have no doubt he would be at the HOC right now
    If he can be in Downing Street by 6pm, why couldn’t he be in Parliament by 6pm?
    I do not have his diary to be fair

    And the meeting in Brussels has just concluded apparently
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    contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    If the LDs do win Chesham and Amersham on Thursday, or get close they will have two things to thank.

    First, rising Nimbyism in the Home Counties in opposition to new greenbelt development leading to a LD protest vote.

    Second, Boris cancelling Freedom Day today leading to some Tory libertarians and hospitality business owners and workers voting ReformUK as a protest

    Who
    Farage's new party (now led by Richard Tice) who are standing in the by election on an end Covid restrictions ticket
    https://twitter.com/Alex4CandA/status/1404345100763795459?s=20
    https://twitter.com/reformparty_uk/status/1402584385665355778?s=20
    Has beens
    About to be revived by Boris tonight unfortunately
    In your dreams
    ReformUK could be on 5-10% in the polls by next weekend
    That is a BOLD statement sir. A BOLD statement....!!

    I am a reform supporter but even I am not that bullish.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
    Quite right.

    Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
    To be fair the government have form here. What will be entertaining is that they got shut of Bercow and expected to get an easier ride. Hoyle is less opinionated on the issues but not so on parliamentary practice.
    Hoyle is has the procedure right, but refuses to exercise any form of censure.

    Still waiting for the PM to apologise to the House for his various mendacities.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    If the LDs do win Chesham and Amersham on Thursday, or get close they will have two things to thank.

    First, rising Nimbyism in the Home Counties in opposition to new greenbelt development leading to a LD protest vote.

    Second, Boris cancelling Freedom Day today leading to some Tory libertarians and hospitality business owners and workers voting ReformUK as a protest

    Who
    Farage's new party (now led by Richard Tice) who are standing in the by election on an end Covid restrictions ticket
    https://twitter.com/Alex4CandA/status/1404345100763795459?s=20
    https://twitter.com/reformparty_uk/status/1402584385665355778?s=20
    Has beens
    About to be revived by Boris tonight unfortunately
    In your dreams
    ReformUK could be on 5-10% in the polls by next weekend
    'Could' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    HYUFD said:

    This is an Alien versus Predator by-election for me.

    Boris chokingon lifting lockdown means he deserves to lose C&A.

    As far as I can tell the Lib Dems are campaigning on NIMBYism and not liberalism against lockdown, so they deserve to lose C&A.

    So why can't they both lose? I don't want 'my own team' to win this week, nor do I want the Lib Dems too. If I was a C&A voter I think I'd spoil my ballot paper.

    C & A voters protesting against new development will vote LD, C & A voters protesting against further lockdown restrictions will vote ReformUK
    You seem to be press spokesman for ReformUK, but quite frankly I see little interest in them from anyone else.

    If I was in C&A I think I'd spoil my ballot by drawing an extra box, writing "End Lockdown" in it, then putting an X against that. I doubt I'd vote ReformUK since there seems to be no attention to them besides antivaxxers and Covid deniers which I don't want to associate with.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,416

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
    An announcement of this importance has to be Boris

    I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
    So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
    If he had not had to be at Nato Brussels with Joe Biden I have no doubt he would be at the HOC right now
    If he can be in Downing Street by 6pm, why couldn’t he be in Parliament by 6pm?
    And given that the Commons statement is later, why is the PM not doing it?

    Or announce it in the Commons at 6 and do the telly slot in primetime?

    So many better possibilities!
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,024

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    From the times now
    Covid in Scotland: “Variant likely to delay lockdown exit by 10 weeks.”
    That takes us to the end of summer and we know Johnson follows Sturgeon

    That means no end to restrictions until next Spring at the earliest as we are then into winter flu season and further likely mutations
    We need to starting chucking Molotov cocktails quite soon

    And I don't think I am joking. Perhaps only civil strife will make the government see sense. The people have always had to fight for their freedom
    People are happy to vote for this government whatever it does. They're hardly likely to riot against it.
    Well, they are losing people like me

    I am double vaccinated, and the last jab was more than 2 weeks ago. Either the vaccines work or they don't, either we can leave jail or we can't. Give me a vaccine passport and let me get on with my life, travelling where I want, ditching the masks, flashing the passport so I can have a near-normal life

    Why should I tolerate any more lockdown on my liberties, just because some people are too stupid to get injected? Why should I watch businesses in Camden, London, the UK, go under because - again - some people are just dim?

    Let the stupid pay with THEIR freedom. If they won't get vaxxed then make sure they can't do anything, by bringing in vaccine passports.

    I am going to ignore the rules as much as I can from now on, anyway. I'm not going to wear a mask, if I can help it, I will travel abroad to amber countries and I won't quarantine on returning. I will lie
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    contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    HYUFD said:

    This is an Alien versus Predator by-election for me.

    Boris chokingon lifting lockdown means he deserves to lose C&A.

    As far as I can tell the Lib Dems are campaigning on NIMBYism and not liberalism against lockdown, so they deserve to lose C&A.

    So why can't they both lose? I don't want 'my own team' to win this week, nor do I want the Lib Dems too. If I was a C&A voter I think I'd spoil my ballot paper.

    C & A voters protesting against new development will vote LD, C & A voters protesting against further lockdown restrictions will vote ReformUK
    You seem to be press spokesman for ReformUK, but quite frankly I see little interest in them from anyone else.

    If I was in C&A I think I'd spoil my ballot by drawing an extra box, writing "End Lockdown" in it, then putting an X against that. I doubt I'd vote ReformUK since there seems to be no attention to them besides antivaxxers and Covid deniers which I don't want to associate with.
    Yeh, its SECRET BALLOT Philip. No one will know how you voted...
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,940
    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1404420137730650113

    Interesting analysis.

    Is the vaccine winning?

    Or is it just noise?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914

    The increase in the rate of cases has now fallen five days in succession IIRC.

    Probably just noise...

    Friday -> Monday (Reported) tends to drop or remain flat even when cases are rising. Monday -> Friday is a better test of whether cases are actually rising or not.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
    Quite right.

    Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
    To be fair the government have form here. What will be entertaining is that they got shut of Bercow and expected to get an easier ride. Hoyle is less opinionated on the issues but not so on parliamentary practice.
    Hoyle is has the procedure right, but refuses to exercise any form of censure.

    Still waiting for the PM to apologise to the House for his various mendacities.
    Hoyle is furious on Sky just now but he makes threats to call in Boris but I have no idea what sanctions he has got
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    darkagedarkage Posts: 4,796
    Have the woke had any luck at cancelling GB News? Have any of the advertisers caved?
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,940
    Pulpstar said:

    The increase in the rate of cases has now fallen five days in succession IIRC.

    Probably just noise...

    Friday -> Monday (Reported) tends to drop or remain flat even when cases are rising. Monday -> Friday is a better test of whether cases are actually rising or not.
    It's a week-on-week figure though... is that what you are saying? That Monday through Sunday shows better numbers than, say, Saturday through Friday...?
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,192
    edited June 2021

    This is an Alien versus Predator by-election for me.

    Boris chokingon lifting lockdown means he deserves to lose C&A.

    As far as I can tell the Lib Dems are campaigning on NIMBYism and not liberalism against lockdown, so they deserve to lose C&A.

    So why can't they both lose? I don't want 'my own team' to win this week, nor do I want the Lib Dems too. If I was a C&A voter I think I'd spoil my ballot paper.

    The right approach. The answer to your rage against the Tories isn't to vote Tory. Withhold your vote. Vote for someone else. Whatever - just don't reward the liar.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,024
    This is the simplest way to rebel. My finger is poised over delete


    "Once you delete the NHS test and trace app, you won’t ever be told to isolate by it again. It’s that simple.

    #LifeHacks 😉"


    https://twitter.com/Adam_Stratford_/status/1404104158064615424?s=20
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
    Quite right.

    Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
    To be fair the government have form here. What will be entertaining is that they got shut of Bercow and expected to get an easier ride. Hoyle is less opinionated on the issues but not so on parliamentary practice.
    Hoyle is has the procedure right, but refuses to exercise any form of censure.

    Still waiting for the PM to apologise to the House for his various mendacities.
    Hoyle is furious on Sky just now but he makes threats to call in Boris but I have no idea what sanctions he has got
    Neither do I, but the Speaker needs to defend Parliament and Boris is a habitual offender.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited June 2021

    HYUFD said:

    This is an Alien versus Predator by-election for me.

    Boris chokingon lifting lockdown means he deserves to lose C&A.

    As far as I can tell the Lib Dems are campaigning on NIMBYism and not liberalism against lockdown, so they deserve to lose C&A.

    So why can't they both lose? I don't want 'my own team' to win this week, nor do I want the Lib Dems too. If I was a C&A voter I think I'd spoil my ballot paper.

    C & A voters protesting against new development will vote LD, C & A voters protesting against further lockdown restrictions will vote ReformUK
    You seem to be press spokesman for ReformUK, but quite frankly I see little interest in them from anyone else.

    If I was in C&A I think I'd spoil my ballot by drawing an extra box, writing "End Lockdown" in it, then putting an X against that. I doubt I'd vote ReformUK since there seems to be no attention to them besides antivaxxers and Covid deniers which I don't want to associate with.
    I am not, just I happen to know the ReformUK candidate, I would still vote Tory if I live in Chesham and Amersham on Thursday as I voted Tory in 2019 in the European elections when you were voting Brexit Party.

    Spoilt ballots are almost always ignored
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    HYUFD said:

    This is an Alien versus Predator by-election for me.

    Boris chokingon lifting lockdown means he deserves to lose C&A.

    As far as I can tell the Lib Dems are campaigning on NIMBYism and not liberalism against lockdown, so they deserve to lose C&A.

    So why can't they both lose? I don't want 'my own team' to win this week, nor do I want the Lib Dems too. If I was a C&A voter I think I'd spoil my ballot paper.

    C & A voters protesting against new development will vote LD, C & A voters protesting against further lockdown restrictions will vote ReformUK
    You seem to be press spokesman for ReformUK, but quite frankly I see little interest in them from anyone else.

    If I was in C&A I think I'd spoil my ballot by drawing an extra box, writing "End Lockdown" in it, then putting an X against that. I doubt I'd vote ReformUK since there seems to be no attention to them besides antivaxxers and Covid deniers which I don't want to associate with.
    Yeh, its SECRET BALLOT Philip. No one will know how you voted...
    I'd know.

    Found out today that my daughter's teacher is in isolation after her own daughter tested positive over the weekend. So the class is still going into school this week but with a teaching assistant and the teacher using Zoom to connect with the class.

    Weird days still. When Stage 4 occurs I think we need to drop isolation entirely and if it spreads it spreads.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,192

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
    An announcement of this importance has to be Boris

    I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
    So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
    If he had not had to be at Nato Brussels with Joe Biden I have no doubt he would be at the HOC right now
    If he can be in Downing Street by 6pm, why couldn’t he be in Parliament by 6pm?
    Because he doesn't give a fuck about parliament or due process or basic courtesy. Why should he go and tell the Commons first? Half of them are the enemies of the people anyway.
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    pingping Posts: 3,731
    Just watching GB news for the first time

    The lack of HD is unforgivable.

    Their remote feed audio quality is poor, too

    Surprisingly low budget. I’m amazed they haven’t got the basics right.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    So Lindsey Hoyle joins the very long list of people to whom Boris has made a promise which he has subsequently reneged on. Not a surprise, of course.
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    Simon_PeachSimon_Peach Posts: 408

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Er, couldn’t Hancock announce to Parliament this afternoon rather than this evening?
    An announcement of this importance has to be Boris

    I understand Hancock is announcing it in the HOC later
    So important enough for Boris to make but not important enough for Parliament to hear first.
    If he had not had to be at Nato Brussels with Joe Biden I have no doubt he would be at the HOC right now
    If he can be in Downing Street by 6pm, why couldn’t he be in Parliament by 6pm?
    I do not have his diary to be fair

    And the meeting in Brussels has just concluded apparently
    One can perhaps understand why he doesn’t want to face tough questioning in Parliament, after a busy few days, and prefers gentler questions from the press that he can choose to disregard, but it doesn’t look good.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Pretty punchy for the Speaker to accuse the government of misleading him and the House https://twitter.com/PARLYapp/status/1404448260174057479

    Boris is at a Nato meeting in Brussels with Joe Biden and later today has to announce his decision to the public

    Is the speaker expecting Boris to miss the Nato meeting
    Probably, yes. Johnson should just do it from Parliament, rather than a press conference.
    Quite right.

    Parliament should be prioritised before press conferences.
    To be fair the government have form here. What will be entertaining is that they got shut of Bercow and expected to get an easier ride. Hoyle is less opinionated on the issues but not so on parliamentary practice.
    Hoyle is has the procedure right, but refuses to exercise any form of censure.

    Still waiting for the PM to apologise to the House for his various mendacities.
    Hoyle is furious on Sky just now but he makes threats to call in Boris but I have no idea what sanctions he has got
    Neither do I, but the Speaker needs to defend Parliament and Boris is a habitual offender.
    I do agree

    However, in the wider world, and especially the red wall seats, I expect they could not care less, they just want to hear the PM live on tv
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