And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
I actually want England to lose, because of this. A bunch of virtue-signalling millionaires deliberately antagonising their supporters, by perpetuating an absurd ritual which is now an emblem of cultural Marxism, and which was originally aimed at police tactics in the a far off land
What the actual F has that got to do with English football?
Also, Southgate is a twat
So you can no longer lecture or question anyone else's patriotism. If you do, you can get fucked with one of your own dildos.
Wanting England to lose, Orwell had people like you bang to rights.
They're gonna lose anyway, so I might as well get on the right side of history
Traitor.
I bet you would have sold out England during WWII.
Only if offered a reasonable amount of money. What do you take me for?
A traitor.
You're like a ScotNat who cannot deal with GB/UK doing well.
You seem to think I am some kind of "traitor". I would only betray my country in the most extreme circumstances. and for high moral reasons
For example: if my country was about to lose, I'd probably switch sides then
But even at that point I'd want some kind of inducement, to take such a grave step. About 200 euro? A new ipad? Not the massive iPad pro of course, but a good one
I've ordered the new iPad Pro 12.9 inch one.
Brilliant, worth every penny.
Until it stops charging properly in 6 months - and you have to buy the latest "brilliant" incarnation.
Unite election is looking interesting in a Kremlinology sort of way...
Owen Jones 🌹 @OwenJones84 · 28m If you want to stop the right taking over Unite - with massive political consequences - because the left, in classic fashion, are divided, please sign this letter >>
I presume by "the right", there is a candidate that isn't so far left they aren't falling off the edge of the world.
Should the racist who said deport Priti Patel still be in the Labour movement, let alone a candidate to run Unite and sit on Labour’s National Executive.
Dear Mr Starmer, see what Heath done immediately after the Rivers of Blood speech, and throw these people out party quicker.
That’s not a criticism of Starmer, by the way. If someone in Labour gives Rivers of Blood speech tomorrow, does Labours internal democracy allow Starmer to throw them out the party any time say this year?
How did Heath get away with it with Powell? It looked like smack of firm leadership enough to be rewarded with whomping GE win couple years further on. Did the Leader have that ultimate power who is a member and not?
PS Alf Garnett was not a comedy creation, it was anthropology The writer went down Dockers Club’s Sunday afternoons and listened to the working class Torys.
Powell was sacked from the Shadow Cabinet but remained a Tory MP until February 1974 when he chose to stand down from the Commons in protest at that election and urged people to Vote Labour. He returned to Parliament in October 1974 as an Ulster Unionist.
And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
You don't half post some guff.
Polling shows a majority don't support taking the knee. Boris statement the other day was about as middling as middling could be, suppprt right to do so, without saying he supported it. That's a perfectly valid position and actually the polling shows one shared by a significant percentage of the nation.
But I bet and hope that if you asked the public if they positively approved of the BOOing the "yes" percentage would be very low indeed. Much lower than those who just don't support the team making the gesture.
You know why? Because it would (by and large) be just 2 categories of people (with significant overlap) who thankfully do not constitute a large slice of our population.
The 2 categories are as follows:
(i) Right wing culture warriors with a BLM "marxist" hang up.
(ii) Racists.
This is the truth I write here on this gorgeous Sunday morning. So nobody should bother even thinking about demurring.
The Match - I'm not confident. I'm on the 1/1 draw.
Unfortunately, we had the numbers upthread.
About half of fans support the knee thing and oppose the booing.
About 30% oppose the knee thing and support the booing.
Although it's not confirmed, hard not to imagine it's the same 30% and 50% each time.
The 30% feels a bit like a defiant rage against the dying of a certain sort of light.
That's of football fans. I refuse to believe as many as 30% of the general population actively support the booing. If that is the case, the country is further gone than I thought.
The first British university to establish a professorship in Black Studies has been accused of institutional racism by the person appointed to the job.
The first British university to establish a professorship in Black Studies has been accused of institutional racism by the person appointed to the job.
And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
You don't half post some guff.
Polling shows a majority don't support taking the knee. Boris statement the other day was about as middling as middling could be, suppprt right to do so, without saying he supported it. That's a perfectly valid position and actually the polling shows one shared by a significant percentage of the nation.
But I bet and hope that if you asked the public if they positively approved of the BOOing the "yes" percentage would be very low indeed. Much lower than those who just don't support the team making the gesture.
You know why? Because it would (by and large) be just 2 categories of people (with significant overlap) who thankfully do not constitute a large slice of our population.
The 2 categories are as follows:
(i) Right wing culture warriors with a BLM "marxist" hang up.
(ii) Racists.
This is the truth I write here on this gorgeous Sunday morning. So nobody should bother even thinking about demurring.
The Match - I'm not confident. I'm on the 1/1 draw.
Unfortunately, we had the numbers upthread.
About half of fans support the knee thing and oppose the booing.
About 30% oppose the knee thing and support the booing.
Although it's not confirmed, hard not to imagine it's the same 30% and 50% each time.
The 30% feels a bit like a defiant rage against the dying of a certain sort of light.
That's of football fans. I refuse to believe as many as 30% of the general population actively support the booing. If that is the case, the country is further gone than I thought.
According to the opinium poll published yesterday a majority don’t support the knee. It’s a very divided country on this issue, but as I’ve said people should relax, taking a knee or booing a knee really isn’t as big an issue as the media want to make it out to be.
The first British university to establish a professorship in Black Studies has been accused of institutional racism by the person appointed to the job.
Yet another sign that the EU a see Northern Ireland purely as a political football to push around the UK, paying little regard to the history of the Province.
As I’ve said before, the EU really need to let the UK sand RoI sort out the Province between them, the Union has no understanding of the place.
Interesting. In the clip, unlike in the headline, BJ does not sound at all infuriated. He sound like a grownup hoping that Macron will stop behaving like a posturing teenager.
Are any politicians talking about "a sausage war"? Brits or EU or EU member politicians?
Macron embodies in one eminently slapable smug face why the UK was one day going to leave the EU.
We are just different. Like trying to harness a pair of horses, one of whom perpetually wants to go right, one of whom perpetually wants to go left. The only way you could ever go forward is to use the whip. All the time.
And even then, we couldn't agree if it is was appropriate to be going forward. Because that is what Germany wanted to do.
And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
I actually want England to lose, because of this. A bunch of virtue-signalling millionaires deliberately antagonising their supporters, by perpetuating an absurd ritual which is now an emblem of cultural Marxism, and which was originally aimed at police tactics in the a far off land
What the actual F has that got to do with English football?
Also, Southgate is a twat
So you can no longer lecture or question anyone else's patriotism. If you do, you can get fucked with one of your own dildos.
Wanting England to lose, Orwell had people like you bang to rights.
They're gonna lose anyway, so I might as well get on the right side of history
Traitor.
I bet you would have sold out England during WWII.
Only if offered a reasonable amount of money. What do you take me for?
A traitor.
You're like a ScotNat who cannot deal with GB/UK doing well.
You seem to think I am some kind of "traitor". I would only betray my country in the most extreme circumstances. and for high moral reasons
For example: if my country was about to lose, I'd probably switch sides then
But even at that point I'd want some kind of inducement, to take such a grave step. About 200 euro? A new ipad? Not the massive iPad pro of course, but a good one
I've ordered the new iPad Pro 12.9 inch one.
Brilliant, worth every penny.
Is it unreasonable to call the Apple marketing process "Grooming", and the customers "victims"?
And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
You don't half post some guff.
Polling shows a majority don't support taking the knee. Boris statement the other day was about as middling as middling could be, suppprt right to do so, without saying he supported it. That's a perfectly valid position and actually the polling shows one shared by a significant percentage of the nation.
But I bet and hope that if you asked the public if they positively approved of the BOOing the "yes" percentage would be very low indeed. Much lower than those who just don't support the team making the gesture.
You know why? Because it would (by and large) be just 2 categories of people (with significant overlap) who thankfully do not constitute a large slice of our population.
The 2 categories are as follows:
(i) Right wing culture warriors with a BLM "marxist" hang up.
(ii) Racists.
This is the truth I write here on this gorgeous Sunday morning. So nobody should bother even thinking about demurring.
The Match - I'm not confident. I'm on the 1/1 draw.
Unfortunately, we had the numbers upthread.
About half of fans support the knee thing and oppose the booing.
About 30% oppose the knee thing and support the booing.
Although it's not confirmed, hard not to imagine it's the same 30% and 50% each time.
The 30% feels a bit like a defiant rage against the dying of a certain sort of light.
That's of football fans. I refuse to believe as many as 30% of the general population actively support the booing. If that is the case, the country is further gone than I thought.
I think the kneeling is pointless virtue signalling which does nothing to help anyone. But at the same time the booing has an added dimension of being pretty offensive as the 'virtue' it seems to be signalling is opposition to people making a peaceful point on a matter we should all reasonably be in agreement about.
Lots of people do virtue signalling in many different ways. Almost all of the time it is pointless at best but going as far as to boo those doing it does seem at least mildly offensive to me.
Mind you I am not a great fan of bladder kicking either so I probably don't see the point in any of the activities going on inside Wembley stadium from start to finish.
Your continuing noble quest to identify SKS fans on here is likely to end in frustration, I think.
There’s nowt much wrong with SKS. Pandemic is extraordinary times, and this is jab bounce in polls.
Any Boris fans on here want to point out the substance behind Boris ratings and Tory poll leads, or admit it’s a house of straw
Perhaps, but fan is a strong word. (I am no fan of either.)
He's not the sort of guy for whom people will easily embrace "fandom". This didn't used to be required in politics - used to be more of a sports and entertainment thing - but perhaps it is now. In which case Labour are probably on a loser with him. I'd hope not but what I hope doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of it.
Not only that, the BBC capitalised it as Black Lives Matter, so it is the official organisation - the cultural Marxist group, soaked in Critical Race Theory, which wants to defund the police, abolish capitalism, deconstruct the family and make white people feel guilty forever whatever they do, because whites are evil
The BBC confirms that THIS is the organisation behind "taking the knee" so, yes, the England players are kneeling to Karl Marx, insane communism, and anti-white racism
And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
You don't half post some guff.
Polling shows a majority don't support taking the knee. Boris statement the other day was about as middling as middling could be, suppprt right to do so, without saying he supported it. That's a perfectly valid position and actually the polling shows one shared by a significant percentage of the nation.
But I bet and hope that if you asked the public if they positively approved of the BOOing the "yes" percentage would be very low indeed. Much lower than those who just don't support the team making the gesture.
You know why? Because it would (by and large) be just 2 categories of people (with significant overlap) who thankfully do not constitute a large slice of our population.
The 2 categories are as follows:
(i) Right wing culture warriors with a BLM "marxist" hang up.
(ii) Racists.
This is the truth I write here on this gorgeous Sunday morning. So nobody should bother even thinking about demurring.
The Match - I'm not confident. I'm on the 1/1 draw.
Unfortunately, we had the numbers upthread.
About half of fans support the knee thing and oppose the booing.
About 30% oppose the knee thing and support the booing.
Although it's not confirmed, hard not to imagine it's the same 30% and 50% each time.
The 30% feels a bit like a defiant rage against the dying of a certain sort of light.
That's of football fans. I refuse to believe as many as 30% of the general population actively support the booing. If that is the case, the country is further gone than I thought.
I can easily believe that figure because I suspect that number of people, encompassing all ages, genders and political leanings, simply dislike non-white and foreign people, or anyone who is an ‘other’. I think it’s probably hard-wired into us as a species, an evolutionary caution. Unfortunately. And Boris, and his advisers, have clocked on to that and are exploiting it successfully. Unfortunately.
I went for my second vaccine yesterday. I had rearranged it on the internet because I could not make the original appointment. As had a serious chunk of Dundee, apparently. There were more than 150 people queuing outside the Caird Hall where the vaccines were being administered. It took just over an hour to get to the door and another 30 minutes to have the jab inside. Some of the staff were muttering about something going wrong with the booking system, again. I did see one or two people just leave but the vast majority stood in line patiently. Much more mixed crowd this time, a lot of young people plus some old fogies like me back for the second jab.
I had a pretty rough night, hot and sore and feel somewhat less than 80% this morning but I am glad and relieved to have this done. A couple of weeks now and I will be safe. No certificates issued yesterday. Apparently an online app is "being thought about". Difficult to see how we get freedom for the vaccinated when we cannot establish who they are.
What on earth is the Scottish Government playing at? Does it really just come down to a refusal to just buy into the UK system? Are there irreconcilable compatability issues? Or what? I guess right now double vaccinated Scots don't currently have the ability to travel to France (or other countries requiring proof of vaccine on entry), even if they wanted to?
I believe you are talking jingoistic mince, perhaps check facts or keep your trap shut when you have no clue what you are talking about.
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Happy to be corrected malc! I think it well proven as an established fact that there's no quicker way to find out the facts about what is going on in Scotland than to post an statement/question based on ignorance and critical rhetoric on this forum
Not only that, the BBC capitalised it as Black Lives Matter, so it is the official organisation - the cultural Marxist group, soaked in Critical Race Theory, which wants to defund the police, abolish capitalism, deconstruct the family and make white people feel guilty forever whatever they do, because whites are evil
The BBC confirms that THIS is the organisation behind "taking the knee" so, yes, the England players are kneeling to Karl Marx, insane communism, and anti-white racism
Yet another sign that the EU a see Northern Ireland purely as a political football to push around the UK, paying little regard to the history of the Province.
As I’ve said before, the EU really need to let the UK sand RoI sort out the Province between them, the Union has no understanding of the place.
The EU know nothing about NI, and care even less.
They never had to suffer the horrific bombings, maimings or shootings.
'The EU' includes the Rep. of Ireland which has a deep and longstanding involvement with the problems of unhappy Northern Ireland.
However NI was doing very well when both the Republic and the UK, including NI were part of the EU, and many warned that leaving the EU would cause problems. Johnson, among other pooh-poohed that idea.
Any problems therefor are down to Britains hard Brexit government to solve. Especially as it signed an agreement which, it was claimed, solved them.
Sorry OKC that’s complete bollocks
Regardless of whether the issues are “down to” Brexit both sides need to work to solve them.
The GFA was established to achieve an objective (fudging the border) but was predicated on both RoI and the UK being in the EEA.
That is no longer the case. So the rational thing to do is to find another way to achieve the same objective. It is clear the protocol is contributing to unionist disquiet and tension in the province. So we need to look at another solution.
Part of the problem is the EU’s insistence on the sanctity of the single market. That implies there needs to be a hard border somewhere in the chain GB-NI-ROI-EU. None of the options are acceptable to all the parties. So people need to figure out a more creative solution - a process with which the EU Commission has refused to engage.
There is a simple solution. UK standards are EU standards cos we wrote them. UK standards are going to increase. So we are aligned and will remain aligned. We can have free trade tomorrow but we won't because that would be for the UK and EU to state the fact that we are aligned.
Johnson can't have that. So instead we will have trade sanctions due to the non-compliance of the UK which is compliant. Its so stupid, macho posturing instead of realpolitik. When the UK doesn't stick to its word and to agreements signed months ago there is little incentive for other parties to waste more time engaging with us when we will just trash that agreement as well.
The UK are acting like twats. As the US were. Biden is telling the G7 "America is back" in that it is now behaving and is sorry. Until we stop twatting about and say sorry, we will have no friends and no allies on this one. It is on us to compromise from our current position not them. If the deal doesn't work then its status quo ante time.
This is, of course, bullshit.
The question is not whether we are currently aligned, nor whether we are intent on improving our standards. It is that the EU want us to align with whatever new standards they chose to adopt in the future. Of course we are aligned now. But that does not mean we should remain aligned with whatever bollocks the EU come s up with in a year or a decades' time.
It is the EU and its apologists who are behaving like twats and making Johnson look reasonable. And given how much of a twat Johnson already is, that is some going.
Realpolitik kicks "whatever bollocks the EU comes up with" down the road. It is not a problem for now. Nor do we have to stay aligned with EU standards - like any standards they are a minimum. We can improve our standards above theirs and still be compliant. As having better standards is government policy this shouldn't cause problems.
People keep demanding the other side compromise whilst refusing to even do the "compromise" of recognising the status quo. And then wonder why the rest of the G7 think we are twats.
The status quo is recognised by the UK. The UK explicitly recognises that our standards are as high as the EU's.
Its on the EU to recognise that, via the Joint Committee, not on us to do it.
If the EU won't fulfill its obligations then we can and should invoke Article 16 and make all this go away until they compromise.
And with the US seeing that (understandably) as us breaching our own agreement, how does that then help us negotiate a brillo trade deal with the US?
What you think isn't what the US government thinks. Whose opinion is most relevant?
The first British university to establish a professorship in Black Studies has been accused of institutional racism by the person appointed to the job.
The level of hysteria on here regarding lockdown is a thing of beauty…
There is nothing hysterical about pointing out that current restrictions:- - make many businesses dependant on social closeness unviable and unprofitable - such businesses have spent much of the last 16 months closed and have exhausted any reserves - many such businesses employ the young, those starting out etc - summer business at full capacity is essential to allowing such businesses to survive, let alone become profitable - continuing restrictions over the summer - let alone beyond then - will destroy many such businesses. Once gone, there is little chance of them being replaced for who would take a chance on investing in such businesses in such a climate - the economic and social effects of this in very many parts of the country and in the young, in particular, will be very grave.
Belgium took the knee last night, Russia didn't. It's admittedly a small sample but it might be worth 3 goals.
But those are pretty dire poll for the knee-benders. 30% of England fans support booing the England team
A third of all their supporters want to boo.
And they could have EASILY avoided all this with some huge knee bending orgy at the beginnng of the tournament, with all the players kneeling for 17 hours on live BBC on top of a giant wax mannikin carved into the image of Derek Chauvin. On top of the Acropolis. With spontaneous nasal songs by gospel choirs floating above in weird zeppelins marked BLM and carrying an outsize floodlit image of a crying slave child giving his last slice of rusk to a grateful Gary Lineker with a halo
Why not just do that?
Well, maybe the players think doing this before each match is a tad more meaningful? Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of the gesture and I am not completely sure that players who earn in excess of £100k a week are the best examples of ongoing oppression but if it makes the team feel together I am ok with it.
I am really looking forward to becoming a proper grumpy old man. At the moment my response to too many things is, whatever. It really won't do.
‘… I am not completely sure that players who earn in excess of £100k a week are the best examples of ongoing oppression…’
I find that view bonkers. So these players have to ignore, wipe, their backgrounds and views just because they have been extraordinarily fortunate, through their own hard work and persistence, to reach their current position?
And having reached their position, to be criticised for using their profile to try to improve matters, by highlighting ongoing inequalities, for other people.
Essentially we’re saying ‘Take the money and shut the fuck up. Don’t get uppity.’
How about don't take the money , they should say stick your racist team where the sun shines and whine about it from the outside. For 100K a week anybody can call me any name they want. In any real job you are not allowed to mix politics or personal agenda's with your job.
And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
You don't half post some guff.
Polling shows a majority don't support taking the knee. Boris statement the other day was about as middling as middling could be, suppprt right to do so, without saying he supported it. That's a perfectly valid position and actually the polling shows one shared by a significant percentage of the nation.
But I bet and hope that if you asked the public if they positively approved of the BOOing the "yes" percentage would be very low indeed. Much lower than those who just don't support the team making the gesture.
You know why? Because it would (by and large) be just 2 categories of people (with significant overlap) who thankfully do not constitute a large slice of our population.
The 2 categories are as follows:
(i) Right wing culture warriors with a BLM "marxist" hang up.
(ii) Racists.
This is the truth I write here on this gorgeous Sunday morning. So nobody should bother even thinking about demurring.
The Match - I'm not confident. I'm on the 1/1 draw.
Unfortunately, we had the numbers upthread.
About half of fans support the knee thing and oppose the booing.
About 30% oppose the knee thing and support the booing.
Although it's not confirmed, hard not to imagine it's the same 30% and 50% each time.
The 30% feels a bit like a defiant rage against the dying of a certain sort of light.
That's of football fans. I refuse to believe as many as 30% of the general population actively support the booing. If that is the case, the country is further gone than I thought.
I think the kneeling is pointless virtue signalling which does nothing to help anyone. But at the same time the booing has an added dimension of being pretty offensive as the 'virtue' it seems to be signalling is opposition to people making a peaceful point on a matter we should all reasonably be in agreement about.
Lots of people do virtue signalling in many different ways. Almost all of the time it is pointless at best but going as far as to boo those doing it does seem at least mildly offensive to me.
Mind you I am not a great fan of bladder kicking either so I probably don't see the point in any of the activities going on inside Wembley stadium from start to finish.
Exactly. You - not a footie fan - wouldn't boo the team and disapprove of that happening even though you don't support the Knee. Because you're not a right wing culture warrior and you're not racist. There'll be loads like you. For once you are not niche here. That's why I say there'll be nothing like 30% of the population in favour of the booing.
I see little wrong in virtue signalling btw. In fact I see nothing wrong in it. People who consider virtue signalling to be one of the top things to fret about in the world should imo take a long hard look in the mirror and have a long hard word with their reflection.
And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
You don't half post some guff.
Polling shows a majority don't support taking the knee. Boris statement the other day was about as middling as middling could be, suppprt right to do so, without saying he supported it. That's a perfectly valid position and actually the polling shows one shared by a significant percentage of the nation.
But I bet and hope that if you asked the public if they positively approved of the BOOing the "yes" percentage would be very low indeed. Much lower than those who just don't support the team making the gesture.
You know why? Because it would (by and large) be just 2 categories of people (with significant overlap) who thankfully do not constitute a large slice of our population.
The 2 categories are as follows:
(i) Right wing culture warriors with a BLM "marxist" hang up.
(ii) Racists.
This is the truth I write here on this gorgeous Sunday morning. So nobody should bother even thinking about demurring.
The Match - I'm not confident. I'm on the 1/1 draw.
Unfortunately, we had the numbers upthread.
About half of fans support the knee thing and oppose the booing.
About 30% oppose the knee thing and support the booing.
Although it's not confirmed, hard not to imagine it's the same 30% and 50% each time.
The 30% feels a bit like a defiant rage against the dying of a certain sort of light.
That's of football fans. I refuse to believe as many as 30% of the general population actively support the booing. If that is the case, the country is further gone than I thought.
I can easily believe that figure because I suspect that number of people, encompassing all ages, genders and political leanings, simply dislike non-white and foreign people, or anyone who is an ‘other’. I think it’s probably hard-wired into us as a species, an evolutionary caution. Unfortunately. And Boris, and his advisers, have clocked on to that and are exploiting it successfully. Unfortunately.
Yes. It isn't open racism. It is subconscious prejudice against anyone who isn't you. The other takes many forms depending on the environment - EU migrant whites, swarthy asylum seekers, various kinds of people from the sub-continent who always get labelled for the post-war country created out of India, travellers, people from the neighbouring county / town/ village.
So of course a chunk of people identify more with the people booing than they do the people represented by taking the knee. "I'm not racist" so anything that suggests my prejudice against the other is wrong. Boooo.
Question - I haven't see this problem north of the wall. I know there are pockets of it but is it widespread as it is in England? How about Wales? Either way, I have too look on this anguish over booing taking the knee as someone else's problem. If booing the Engerland team makes people feel like proper England fans then whatever.
Not only that, the BBC capitalised it as Black Lives Matter, so it is the official organisation - the cultural Marxist group, soaked in Critical Race Theory, which wants to defund the police, abolish capitalism, deconstruct the family and make white people feel guilty forever whatever they do, because whites are evil
The BBC confirms that THIS is the organisation behind "taking the knee" so, yes, the England players are kneeling to Karl Marx, insane communism, and anti-white racism
With all due respect, fuck them
It's doesn't affect your life at all if they kneel or not. So why are you acting as if you have centipedes in your vagina over it.
In fact, and this may be news to you, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WATCH THEM DO IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.
Belgium took the knee last night, Russia didn't. It's admittedly a small sample but it might be worth 3 goals.
But those are pretty dire poll for the knee-benders. 30% of England fans support booing the England team
A third of all their supporters want to boo.
And they could have EASILY avoided all this with some huge knee bending orgy at the beginnng of the tournament, with all the players kneeling for 17 hours on live BBC on top of a giant wax mannikin carved into the image of Derek Chauvin. On top of the Acropolis. With spontaneous nasal songs by gospel choirs floating above in weird zeppelins marked BLM and carrying an outsize floodlit image of a crying slave child giving his last slice of rusk to a grateful Gary Lineker with a halo
Why not just do that?
Well, maybe the players think doing this before each match is a tad more meaningful? Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of the gesture and I am not completely sure that players who earn in excess of £100k a week are the best examples of ongoing oppression but if it makes the team feel together I am ok with it.
I am really looking forward to becoming a proper grumpy old man. At the moment my response to too many things is, whatever. It really won't do.
‘… I am not completely sure that players who earn in excess of £100k a week are the best examples of ongoing oppression…’
I find that view bonkers. So these players have to ignore, wipe, their backgrounds and views just because they have been extraordinarily fortunate, through their own hard work and persistence, to reach their current position?
And having reached their position, to be criticised for using their profile to try to improve matters, by highlighting ongoing inequalities, for other people.
Essentially we’re saying ‘Take the money and shut the fuck up. Don’t get uppity.’
Sigh. Taking the knee came from America. It came from black players who wanted to make a respectful point during their national anthem that their community is oppressed, is the victim of fairly random violence by the police and are simply not equal in the eyes of the country whose national anthem was being sung. I thought that was a commendable and restrained response that got these issues talked about.
What we have before football matches here is rather different. But, if it makes them feel better and together, whatever.
Thanks, yes, I know where the gesture came from.
Whether you agree with it or not, and plainly many people don’t, the gesture has become recognised as a symbol of anti-racism. One which clearly matters to the players. Regardless of the whole ‘BLM are woke Marxists who want to impose their bonkers critcal race theory bullshit on freeborn Englishmen’ tendency.
The problem is you are then seen as racist for not taking the knee.
The level of hysteria on here regarding lockdown is a thing of beauty…
There is nothing hysterical about pointing out that current restrictions:- - make many businesses dependant on social closeness unviable and unprofitable - such businesses have spent much of the last 16 months closed and have exhausted any reserves - many such businesses employ the young, those starting out etc - summer business at full capacity is essential to allowing such businesses to survive, let alone become profitable - continuing restrictions over the summer - let alone beyond then - will destroy many such businesses. Once gone, there is little chance of them being replaced for who would take a chance on investing in such businesses in such a climate - the economic and social effects of this in very many parts of the country and in the young, in particular, will be very grave.
But think how inconvenient it would be for the affluent to have to stop working from home or 'working from home' in some cases.
Belgium took the knee last night, Russia didn't. It's admittedly a small sample but it might be worth 3 goals.
But those are pretty dire poll for the knee-benders. 30% of England fans support booing the England team
A third of all their supporters want to boo.
And they could have EASILY avoided all this with some huge knee bending orgy at the beginnng of the tournament, with all the players kneeling for 17 hours on live BBC on top of a giant wax mannikin carved into the image of Derek Chauvin. On top of the Acropolis. With spontaneous nasal songs by gospel choirs floating above in weird zeppelins marked BLM and carrying an outsize floodlit image of a crying slave child giving his last slice of rusk to a grateful Gary Lineker with a halo
Why not just do that?
Well, maybe the players think doing this before each match is a tad more meaningful? Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of the gesture and I am not completely sure that players who earn in excess of £100k a week are the best examples of ongoing oppression but if it makes the team feel together I am ok with it.
I am really looking forward to becoming a proper grumpy old man. At the moment my response to too many things is, whatever. It really won't do.
Yes, go for grumpiness. There is a quiet pleasure in being nihilistically outraged about everything in a sullen way
It is brilliant for sure, but better to be loud about it than sullen.
Belgium took the knee last night, Russia didn't. It's admittedly a small sample but it might be worth 3 goals.
But those are pretty dire poll for the knee-benders. 30% of England fans support booing the England team
A third of all their supporters want to boo.
And they could have EASILY avoided all this with some huge knee bending orgy at the beginnng of the tournament, with all the players kneeling for 17 hours on live BBC on top of a giant wax mannikin carved into the image of Derek Chauvin. On top of the Acropolis. With spontaneous nasal songs by gospel choirs floating above in weird zeppelins marked BLM and carrying an outsize floodlit image of a crying slave child giving his last slice of rusk to a grateful Gary Lineker with a halo
Why not just do that?
Well, maybe the players think doing this before each match is a tad more meaningful? Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of the gesture and I am not completely sure that players who earn in excess of £100k a week are the best examples of ongoing oppression but if it makes the team feel together I am ok with it.
I am really looking forward to becoming a proper grumpy old man. At the moment my response to too many things is, whatever. It really won't do.
‘… I am not completely sure that players who earn in excess of £100k a week are the best examples of ongoing oppression…’
I find that view bonkers. So these players have to ignore, wipe, their backgrounds and views just because they have been extraordinarily fortunate, through their own hard work and persistence, to reach their current position?
And having reached their position, to be criticised for using their profile to try to improve matters, by highlighting ongoing inequalities, for other people.
Essentially we’re saying ‘Take the money and shut the fuck up. Don’t get uppity.’
Sigh. Taking the knee came from America. It came from black players who wanted to make a respectful point during their national anthem that their community is oppressed, is the victim of fairly random violence by the police and are simply not equal in the eyes of the country whose national anthem was being sung. I thought that was a commendable and restrained response that got these issues talked about.
What we have before football matches here is rather different. But, if it makes them feel better and together, whatever.
I bet you that every single black player on the England football team has been stopped by police more times in the last 5 years than you have in your entire lifetime.
Tbf DavidL did go through a rough patch when he ran that pimped out white M3 with the blacked out windows & 20" wheels..
"Message just now from handler about Boris Johnson's closing G7 news conference as summit host: "Unfortunately the UK does not accept journalists from foreign outlets" Global Britain. Right."
"@HugoGye To be fair this is a covid policy, and my understanding is that it applies to every leader's press conference today. They are all 'by invitation only' to keep numbers in the room down."
The original tweet is getting a lot of mocking re-tweets from the #FBPE crowd…who presumably aren’t complaining about German only journalists at Merkel’s press conference…
Not only that, the BBC capitalised it as Black Lives Matter, so it is the official organisation - the cultural Marxist group, soaked in Critical Race Theory, which wants to defund the police, abolish capitalism, deconstruct the family and make white people feel guilty forever whatever they do, because whites are evil
The BBC confirms that THIS is the organisation behind "taking the knee" so, yes, the England players are kneeling to Karl Marx, insane communism, and anti-white racism
With all due respect, fuck them
It's doesn't affect your life at all if they kneel or not. So why are you acting as if you have centipedes in your vagina over it.
In fact, and this may be news to you, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WATCH THEM DO IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.
Some of us find virtue signalling repulsive. Those bloody centipedes.
Personally, I shall support Scotland for the first two minutes of the game as my little protest. (They better not score.)
Not only that, the BBC capitalised it as Black Lives Matter, so it is the official organisation - the cultural Marxist group, soaked in Critical Race Theory, which wants to defund the police, abolish capitalism, deconstruct the family and make white people feel guilty forever whatever they do, because whites are evil
The BBC confirms that THIS is the organisation behind "taking the knee" so, yes, the England players are kneeling to Karl Marx, insane communism, and anti-white racism
With all due respect, fuck them
It's doesn't affect your life at all if they kneel or not. So why are you acting as if you have centipedes in your vagina over it.
In fact, and this may be news to you, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WATCH THEM DO IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.
I am sure people said they didn't have to.listen to Hitler...if they didn't want to...
Yet another sign that the EU a see Northern Ireland purely as a political football to push around the UK, paying little regard to the history of the Province.
As I’ve said before, the EU really need to let the UK sand RoI sort out the Province between them, the Union has no understanding of the place.
The EU know nothing about NI, and care even less.
They never had to suffer the horrific bombings, maimings or shootings.
'The EU' includes the Rep. of Ireland which has a deep and longstanding involvement with the problems of unhappy Northern Ireland.
However NI was doing very well when both the Republic and the UK, including NI were part of the EU, and many warned that leaving the EU would cause problems. Johnson, among other pooh-poohed that idea.
Any problems therefor are down to Britains hard Brexit government to solve. Especially as it signed an agreement which, it was claimed, solved them.
Sorry OKC that’s complete bollocks
Regardless of whether the issues are “down to” Brexit both sides need to work to solve them.
The GFA was established to achieve an objective (fudging the border) but was predicated on both RoI and the UK being in the EEA.
That is no longer the case. So the rational thing to do is to find another way to achieve the same objective. It is clear the protocol is contributing to unionist disquiet and tension in the province. So we need to look at another solution.
Part of the problem is the EU’s insistence on the sanctity of the single market. That implies there needs to be a hard border somewhere in the chain GB-NI-ROI-EU. None of the options are acceptable to all the parties. So people need to figure out a more creative solution - a process with which the EU Commission has refused to engage.
There is a simple solution. UK standards are EU standards cos we wrote them. UK standards are going to increase. So we are aligned and will remain aligned. We can have free trade tomorrow but we won't because that would be for the UK and EU to state the fact that we are aligned.
Johnson can't have that. So instead we will have trade sanctions due to the non-compliance of the UK which is compliant. Its so stupid, macho posturing instead of realpolitik. When the UK doesn't stick to its word and to agreements signed months ago there is little incentive for other parties to waste more time engaging with us when we will just trash that agreement as well.
The UK are acting like twats. As the US were. Biden is telling the G7 "America is back" in that it is now behaving and is sorry. Until we stop twatting about and say sorry, we will have no friends and no allies on this one. It is on us to compromise from our current position not them. If the deal doesn't work then its status quo ante time.
This is, of course, bullshit.
The question is not whether we are currently aligned, nor whether we are intent on improving our standards. It is that the EU want us to align with whatever new standards they chose to adopt in the future. Of course we are aligned now. But that does not mean we should remain aligned with whatever bollocks the EU come s up with in a year or a decades' time.
It is the EU and its apologists who are behaving like twats and making Johnson look reasonable. And given how much of a twat Johnson already is, that is some going.
Realpolitik kicks "whatever bollocks the EU comes up with" down the road. It is not a problem for now. Nor do we have to stay aligned with EU standards - like any standards they are a minimum. We can improve our standards above theirs and still be compliant. As having better standards is government policy this shouldn't cause problems.
People keep demanding the other side compromise whilst refusing to even do the "compromise" of recognising the status quo. And then wonder why the rest of the G7 think we are twats.
The status quo is recognised by the UK. The UK explicitly recognises that our standards are as high as the EU's.
Its on the EU to recognise that, via the Joint Committee, not on us to do it.
If the EU won't fulfill its obligations then we can and should invoke Article 16 and make all this go away until they compromise.
And with the US seeing that (understandably) as us breaching our own agreement, how does that then help us negotiate a brillo trade deal with the US?
What you think isn't what the US government thinks. Whose opinion is most relevant?
What UK voters think is most relevant.
We elect our government not the US POTUS.
Indeed! And they elect their government. Who say they won't deal with us if we throw Ireland under the bus as threatened. What they think is directly relevant to our chances of a trade deal. We can't say "sovrinty, do what we want" as they can say the same and agree to disagree.
I went for my second vaccine yesterday. I had rearranged it on the internet because I could not make the original appointment. As had a serious chunk of Dundee, apparently. There were more than 150 people queuing outside the Caird Hall where the vaccines were being administered. It took just over an hour to get to the door and another 30 minutes to have the jab inside. Some of the staff were muttering about something going wrong with the booking system, again. I did see one or two people just leave but the vast majority stood in line patiently. Much more mixed crowd this time, a lot of young people plus some old fogies like me back for the second jab.
I had a pretty rough night, hot and sore and feel somewhat less than 80% this morning but I am glad and relieved to have this done. A couple of weeks now and I will be safe. No certificates issued yesterday. Apparently an online app is "being thought about". Difficult to see how we get freedom for the vaccinated when we cannot establish who they are.
What on earth is the Scottish Government playing at? Does it really just come down to a refusal to just buy into the UK system? Are there irreconcilable compatability issues? Or what? I guess right now double vaccinated Scots don't currently have the ability to travel to France (or other countries requiring proof of vaccine on entry), even if they wanted to?
I am now double vaccinated. I have no evidence of that I can produce of that fact. Its almost as if Nicola is keen to justify keeping her petty controls of our social lives by not letting the system work. What do you get in England?
The record can be seen in the NHS app (but not the Covid one, oddly). And you also get a meaningless bit of cardboard with it written on in biro.
So the NHS App is different from the NHS Trace and Trace App?
If you have the NHS App, showing vaccination history, does it show any other health history and is it linked in any way to the NHS Track and Trace App?
It shows your entire NHS records, lets you order prescriptions, etc. Not linked to covid app.
Could it sneakily be linked to the other App, either in the background now or in the future?
No. The whole point of the other app is that it must be anonymous and Apple/Google won't allow short circuits to get around that.
No, you are confusing the bluetooth proximity feature (Apple/Google) = anonymous, and the track and trace bit using QR codes = not anonymous (or i'm not sure - it at least gives the NHS track and trace team your phone details).
But to the extent that the Covid app is not anonymous, i don't see why there would be any purpose in linking to the NHS app. What reason would there be for doing so?
Not confusing it. The QR codes are anonymous too because all attempts by the app developers to circumvent the anonymous features via the QR codes etc have been rejected by Apple and Google. Which is what people here were saying would be done by Apple and Google.
Hence why they've switched development over to the alternative app.
I really don't think you're correct here, but would need others to confirm. The Apple/Google bit of the app is all about bluetooth proximity. If you trigger as a result of that, the ONLY person who will know about it is you. Whether you then isolate or not, is purely down to yourself.
The QR code for signing into venues is completely different. If you get a trigger warning as a result of that, then the details are passed to the NHS track and trace and you will get a call. Whether they get any more than your phone number, i don't know.
How would they get the phone number? I've never registered it with the app.
The level of hysteria on here regarding lockdown is a thing of beauty…
There is nothing hysterical about pointing out that current restrictions:- - make many businesses dependant on social closeness unviable and unprofitable - such businesses have spent much of the last 16 months closed and have exhausted any reserves - many such businesses employ the young, those starting out etc - summer business at full capacity is essential to allowing such businesses to survive, let alone become profitable - continuing restrictions over the summer - let alone beyond then - will destroy many such businesses. Once gone, there is little chance of them being replaced for who would take a chance on investing in such businesses in such a climate - the economic and social effects of this in very many parts of the country and in the young, in particular, will be very grave.
Also the government support is a fixed duration thing and is ending timed to freedom day. If that day gets pushed back further and further the government show no sign of rolling support further back, and that wouldn't cover losses stocking and resourcing up for unlock events that are now cancelled.
The entertainment and hospitality sectors really will be in ruins by the end.
Team news is in! Not the team I expected, but of course no Grealish...No proper left back is a bit weird, when they have Chilwell and Shaw (plus Saka can play there). Sancho not even on the bench.
Belgium took the knee last night, Russia didn't. It's admittedly a small sample but it might be worth 3 goals.
But those are pretty dire poll for the knee-benders. 30% of England fans support booing the England team
A third of all their supporters want to boo.
And they could have EASILY avoided all this with some huge knee bending orgy at the beginnng of the tournament, with all the players kneeling for 17 hours on live BBC on top of a giant wax mannikin carved into the image of Derek Chauvin. On top of the Acropolis. With spontaneous nasal songs by gospel choirs floating above in weird zeppelins marked BLM and carrying an outsize floodlit image of a crying slave child giving his last slice of rusk to a grateful Gary Lineker with a halo
Why not just do that?
Well, maybe the players think doing this before each match is a tad more meaningful? Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of the gesture and I am not completely sure that players who earn in excess of £100k a week are the best examples of ongoing oppression but if it makes the team feel together I am ok with it.
I am really looking forward to becoming a proper grumpy old man. At the moment my response to too many things is, whatever. It really won't do.
‘… I am not completely sure that players who earn in excess of £100k a week are the best examples of ongoing oppression…’
I find that view bonkers. So these players have to ignore, wipe, their backgrounds and views just because they have been extraordinarily fortunate, through their own hard work and persistence, to reach their current position?
And having reached their position, to be criticised for using their profile to try to improve matters, by highlighting ongoing inequalities, for other people.
Essentially we’re saying ‘Take the money and shut the fuck up. Don’t get uppity.’
Sigh. Taking the knee came from America. It came from black players who wanted to make a respectful point during their national anthem that their community is oppressed, is the victim of fairly random violence by the police and are simply not equal in the eyes of the country whose national anthem was being sung. I thought that was a commendable and restrained response that got these issues talked about.
What we have before football matches here is rather different. But, if it makes them feel better and together, whatever.
I bet you that every single black player on the England football team has been stopped by police more times in the last 5 years than you have in your entire lifetime.
Tbf DavidL did go through a rough patch when he ran that pimped out white M3 with the blacked out windows & 20" wheels..
Not to mention the Rastafarian haircut. Those were the days.
And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
You don't half post some guff.
Polling shows a majority don't support taking the knee. Boris statement the other day was about as middling as middling could be, suppprt right to do so, without saying he supported it. That's a perfectly valid position and actually the polling shows one shared by a significant percentage of the nation.
But I bet and hope that if you asked the public if they positively approved of the BOOing the "yes" percentage would be very low indeed. Much lower than those who just don't support the team making the gesture.
You know why? Because it would (by and large) be just 2 categories of people (with significant overlap) who thankfully do not constitute a large slice of our population.
The 2 categories are as follows:
(i) Right wing culture warriors with a BLM "marxist" hang up.
(ii) Racists.
This is the truth I write here on this gorgeous Sunday morning. So nobody should bother even thinking about demurring.
The Match - I'm not confident. I'm on the 1/1 draw.
Unfortunately, we had the numbers upthread.
About half of fans support the knee thing and oppose the booing.
About 30% oppose the knee thing and support the booing.
Although it's not confirmed, hard not to imagine it's the same 30% and 50% each time.
The 30% feels a bit like a defiant rage against the dying of a certain sort of light.
That's of football fans. I refuse to believe as many as 30% of the general population actively support the booing. If that is the case, the country is further gone than I thought.
I think the kneeling is pointless virtue signalling which does nothing to help anyone. But at the same time the booing has an added dimension of being pretty offensive as the 'virtue' it seems to be signalling is opposition to people making a peaceful point on a matter we should all reasonably be in agreement about.
Lots of people do virtue signalling in many different ways. Almost all of the time it is pointless at best but going as far as to boo those doing it does seem at least mildly offensive to me.
Mind you I am not a great fan of bladder kicking either so I probably don't see the point in any of the activities going on inside Wembley stadium from start to finish.
Exactly. You - not a footie fan - wouldn't boo the team and disapprove of that happening even though you don't support the Knee. Because you're not a right wing culture warrior and you're not racist. There'll be loads like you. For once you are not niche here. That's why I say there'll be nothing like 30% of the population in favour of the booing.
I see little wrong in virtue signalling btw. In fact I see nothing wrong in it. People who consider virtue signalling to be one of the top things to fret about in the world should imo take a long hard look in the mirror and have a long hard word with their reflection.
Again I agree. worrying about virtue signalling is like worrying about the kneeling. I think it is rather silly and can, in some circumstances, be counter productive, but it wouldn't rate in my top 500 things that are wrong in the world.
I kind of think of booing people taking the knee as being like me, as an atheist, booing people walking into church. It would be pointless, silly and, most importantly, extremely rude.
There is more than enough room in this world for a diverse range of different beliefs, customs and priorities. Getting offended by something you don't personally agree with with shows a real lack of imagination and empathy.
Not only that, the BBC capitalised it as Black Lives Matter, so it is the official organisation - the cultural Marxist group, soaked in Critical Race Theory, which wants to defund the police, abolish capitalism, deconstruct the family and make white people feel guilty forever whatever they do, because whites are evil
The BBC confirms that THIS is the organisation behind "taking the knee" so, yes, the England players are kneeling to Karl Marx, insane communism, and anti-white racism
With all due respect, fuck them
And also fuck you.
Bumptiously pronouncing that you want our 51 years of hurt prolonged. You want the team to lose purely because your reactionary hackles are raised by the sight of our national footballers - many of them black and with the experience of racial abuse at the sharp end that you have never had and can't relate to in a million years - investing about 5 seconds of their time before a match in an anti-racism gesture.
Words fail me. Or rather they didn't. I'm quite happy with that.
Not only that, the BBC capitalised it as Black Lives Matter, so it is the official organisation - the cultural Marxist group, soaked in Critical Race Theory, which wants to defund the police, abolish capitalism, deconstruct the family and make white people feel guilty forever whatever they do, because whites are evil
The BBC confirms that THIS is the organisation behind "taking the knee" so, yes, the England players are kneeling to Karl Marx, insane communism, and anti-white racism
With all due respect, fuck them
It's doesn't affect your life at all if they kneel or not. So why are you acting as if you have centipedes in your vagina over it.
In fact, and this may be news to you, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WATCH THEM DO IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.
I am sure people said they didn't have to.listen to Hitler...if they didn't want to...
We have our first 'Marcus Rashford', our new führer', on here at least. GB News will be running with this one later on I expect.
Not only that, the BBC capitalised it as Black Lives Matter, so it is the official organisation - the cultural Marxist group, soaked in Critical Race Theory, which wants to defund the police, abolish capitalism, deconstruct the family and make white people feel guilty forever whatever they do, because whites are evil
The BBC confirms that THIS is the organisation behind "taking the knee" so, yes, the England players are kneeling to Karl Marx, insane communism, and anti-white racism
With all due respect, fuck them
It's doesn't affect your life at all if they kneel or not. So why are you acting as if you have centipedes in your vagina over it.
In fact, and this may be news to you, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WATCH THEM DO IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.
I am sure people said they didn't have to.listen to Hitler...if they didn't want to...
The following stay here: Durden, Jenrick, Shapps and that one with the enormous head.
Belgium took the knee last night, Russia didn't. It's admittedly a small sample but it might be worth 3 goals.
But those are pretty dire poll for the knee-benders. 30% of England fans support booing the England team
A third of all their supporters want to boo.
And they could have EASILY avoided all this with some huge knee bending orgy at the beginnng of the tournament, with all the players kneeling for 17 hours on live BBC on top of a giant wax mannikin carved into the image of Derek Chauvin. On top of the Acropolis. With spontaneous nasal songs by gospel choirs floating above in weird zeppelins marked BLM and carrying an outsize floodlit image of a crying slave child giving his last slice of rusk to a grateful Gary Lineker with a halo
Why not just do that?
Well, maybe the players think doing this before each match is a tad more meaningful? Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of the gesture and I am not completely sure that players who earn in excess of £100k a week are the best examples of ongoing oppression but if it makes the team feel together I am ok with it.
I am really looking forward to becoming a proper grumpy old man. At the moment my response to too many things is, whatever. It really won't do.
‘… I am not completely sure that players who earn in excess of £100k a week are the best examples of ongoing oppression…’
I find that view bonkers. So these players have to ignore, wipe, their backgrounds and views just because they have been extraordinarily fortunate, through their own hard work and persistence, to reach their current position?
And having reached their position, to be criticised for using their profile to try to improve matters, by highlighting ongoing inequalities, for other people.
Essentially we’re saying ‘Take the money and shut the fuck up. Don’t get uppity.’
Sigh. Taking the knee came from America. It came from black players who wanted to make a respectful point during their national anthem that their community is oppressed, is the victim of fairly random violence by the police and are simply not equal in the eyes of the country whose national anthem was being sung. I thought that was a commendable and restrained response that got these issues talked about.
What we have before football matches here is rather different. But, if it makes them feel better and together, whatever.
I bet you that every single black player on the England football team has been stopped by police more times in the last 5 years than you have in your entire lifetime.
Tbf DavidL did go through a rough patch when he ran that pimped out white M3 with the blacked out windows & 20" wheels..
Not to mention the Rastafarian haircut. Those were the days.
Consistent with my new image I am off to, err, cut the grass. I'll get there yet.
I went for my second vaccine yesterday. I had rearranged it on the internet because I could not make the original appointment. As had a serious chunk of Dundee, apparently. There were more than 150 people queuing outside the Caird Hall where the vaccines were being administered. It took just over an hour to get to the door and another 30 minutes to have the jab inside. Some of the staff were muttering about something going wrong with the booking system, again. I did see one or two people just leave but the vast majority stood in line patiently. Much more mixed crowd this time, a lot of young people plus some old fogies like me back for the second jab.
I had a pretty rough night, hot and sore and feel somewhat less than 80% this morning but I am glad and relieved to have this done. A couple of weeks now and I will be safe. No certificates issued yesterday. Apparently an online app is "being thought about". Difficult to see how we get freedom for the vaccinated when we cannot establish who they are.
What on earth is the Scottish Government playing at? Does it really just come down to a refusal to just buy into the UK system? Are there irreconcilable compatability issues? Or what? I guess right now double vaccinated Scots don't currently have the ability to travel to France (or other countries requiring proof of vaccine on entry), even if they wanted to?
I am now double vaccinated. I have no evidence of that I can produce of that fact. Its almost as if Nicola is keen to justify keeping her petty controls of our social lives by not letting the system work. What do you get in England?
The record can be seen in the NHS app (but not the Covid one, oddly). And you also get a meaningless bit of cardboard with it written on in biro.
So the NHS App is different from the NHS Trace and Trace App?
If you have the NHS App, showing vaccination history, does it show any other health history and is it linked in any way to the NHS Track and Trace App?
It shows your entire NHS records, lets you order prescriptions, etc. Not linked to covid app.
Could it sneakily be linked to the other App, either in the background now or in the future?
No. The whole point of the other app is that it must be anonymous and Apple/Google won't allow short circuits to get around that.
No, you are confusing the bluetooth proximity feature (Apple/Google) = anonymous, and the track and trace bit using QR codes = not anonymous (or i'm not sure - it at least gives the NHS track and trace team your phone details).
But to the extent that the Covid app is not anonymous, i don't see why there would be any purpose in linking to the NHS app. What reason would there be for doing so?
Not confusing it. The QR codes are anonymous too because all attempts by the app developers to circumvent the anonymous features via the QR codes etc have been rejected by Apple and Google. Which is what people here were saying would be done by Apple and Google.
Hence why they've switched development over to the alternative app.
I really don't think you're correct here, but would need others to confirm. The Apple/Google bit of the app is all about bluetooth proximity. If you trigger as a result of that, the ONLY person who will know about it is you. Whether you then isolate or not, is purely down to yourself.
The QR code for signing into venues is completely different. If you get a trigger warning as a result of that, then the details are passed to the NHS track and trace and you will get a call. Whether they get any more than your phone number, i don't know.
How would they get the phone number? I've never registered it with the app.
OK, it appears i was wrong. I was told there was a difference between the "bluetooth" function and the "check-in" function. The website seems to suggest there isn't and it's all anonymous. Which makes the whole thing somewhat pointless for NHS track and trace.
Also perhaps explains why some venues appear to still ask for names and numbers as well as to tap into the app. Maybe the names/numbers thing is still actually a Govt requirement that the vast majority of venues either aren't aware of or are ignoring.
Yet another sign that the EU a see Northern Ireland purely as a political football to push around the UK, paying little regard to the history of the Province.
As I’ve said before, the EU really need to let the UK sand RoI sort out the Province between them, the Union has no understanding of the place.
The EU know nothing about NI, and care even less.
They never had to suffer the horrific bombings, maimings or shootings.
'The EU' includes the Rep. of Ireland which has a deep and longstanding involvement with the problems of unhappy Northern Ireland.
However NI was doing very well when both the Republic and the UK, including NI were part of the EU, and many warned that leaving the EU would cause problems. Johnson, among other pooh-poohed that idea.
Any problems therefor are down to Britains hard Brexit government to solve. Especially as it signed an agreement which, it was claimed, solved them.
Sorry OKC that’s complete bollocks
Regardless of whether the issues are “down to” Brexit both sides need to work to solve them.
The GFA was established to achieve an objective (fudging the border) but was predicated on both RoI and the UK being in the EEA.
That is no longer the case. So the rational thing to do is to find another way to achieve the same objective. It is clear the protocol is contributing to unionist disquiet and tension in the province. So we need to look at another solution.
Part of the problem is the EU’s insistence on the sanctity of the single market. That implies there needs to be a hard border somewhere in the chain GB-NI-ROI-EU. None of the options are acceptable to all the parties. So people need to figure out a more creative solution - a process with which the EU Commission has refused to engage.
There is a simple solution. UK standards are EU standards cos we wrote them. UK standards are going to increase. So we are aligned and will remain aligned. We can have free trade tomorrow but we won't because that would be for the UK and EU to state the fact that we are aligned.
Johnson can't have that. So instead we will have trade sanctions due to the non-compliance of the UK which is compliant. Its so stupid, macho posturing instead of realpolitik. When the UK doesn't stick to its word and to agreements signed months ago there is little incentive for other parties to waste more time engaging with us when we will just trash that agreement as well.
The UK are acting like twats. As the US were. Biden is telling the G7 "America is back" in that it is now behaving and is sorry. Until we stop twatting about and say sorry, we will have no friends and no allies on this one. It is on us to compromise from our current position not them. If the deal doesn't work then its status quo ante time.
This is, of course, bullshit.
The question is not whether we are currently aligned, nor whether we are intent on improving our standards. It is that the EU want us to align with whatever new standards they chose to adopt in the future. Of course we are aligned now. But that does not mean we should remain aligned with whatever bollocks the EU come s up with in a year or a decades' time.
It is the EU and its apologists who are behaving like twats and making Johnson look reasonable. And given how much of a twat Johnson already is, that is some going.
Realpolitik kicks "whatever bollocks the EU comes up with" down the road. It is not a problem for now. Nor do we have to stay aligned with EU standards - like any standards they are a minimum. We can improve our standards above theirs and still be compliant. As having better standards is government policy this shouldn't cause problems.
People keep demanding the other side compromise whilst refusing to even do the "compromise" of recognising the status quo. And then wonder why the rest of the G7 think we are twats.
The status quo is recognised by the UK. The UK explicitly recognises that our standards are as high as the EU's.
Its on the EU to recognise that, via the Joint Committee, not on us to do it.
If the EU won't fulfill its obligations then we can and should invoke Article 16 and make all this go away until they compromise.
And with the US seeing that (understandably) as us breaching our own agreement, how does that then help us negotiate a brillo trade deal with the US?
What you think isn't what the US government thinks. Whose opinion is most relevant?
What UK voters think is most relevant.
We elect our government not the US POTUS.
Indeed! And they elect their government. Who say they won't deal with us if we throw Ireland under the bus as threatened. What they think is directly relevant to our chances of a trade deal. We can't say "sovrinty, do what we want" as they can say the same and agree to disagree.
Of course we can. We can say we will do what we want and have no deal.
A deal only works if both parties compromise to the point both parties are happy. No deal is perfectly fine otherwise.
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
Interesting that you aren't aware.....
As part of the modern political stance on racial *outcomes* being the important thing, rather than a racially equal *process*, the campaigners in the more radical portion of the area, including the unfortunate lady herself, want the number of arrests, convictions and sentence for BAME people to be reduced.
If this requires de facto de criminalisation of a number of crimes, they are fine with that.
Regarding the Northern Ireland issue this morning, French diplomatic source : “I’m certain the Prime Minister knows that Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain”.
The level of hysteria on here regarding lockdown is a thing of beauty…
There is nothing hysterical about pointing out that current restrictions:- - make many businesses dependant on social closeness unviable and unprofitable - such businesses have spent much of the last 16 months closed and have exhausted any reserves - many such businesses employ the young, those starting out etc - summer business at full capacity is essential to allowing such businesses to survive, let alone become profitable - continuing restrictions over the summer - let alone beyond then - will destroy many such businesses. Once gone, there is little chance of them being replaced for who would take a chance on investing in such businesses in such a climate - the economic and social effects of this in very many parts of the country and in the young, in particular, will be very grave.
Also the government support is a fixed duration thing and is ending timed to freedom day. If that day gets pushed back further and further the government show no sign of rolling support further back, and that wouldn't cover losses stocking and resourcing up for unlock events that are now cancelled.
The entertainment and hospitality sectors really will be in ruins by the end.
Indeed. The total silence on continuation of support makes me fear the worst - that restrictions will continue, support will be withdrawn and the government will simply ignore the wave of bankruptcies, closures and lost jobs that will result.
Still there all those with large savings who can pay for it all - an 80% super tax on them should do it I reckon. And they'll be happy to pay, won't they?
The analyst community not digging the England selection..
Has Southgate learned so much from Pep that he’s also started overthinking his lineups in the biggest matches? Smiling face with open mouth and cold sweat Have these guys ever played together in a competitive match?
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
Interesting that you aren't aware.....
As part of the modern political stance on racial *outcomes* being the important thing, rather than a racially equal *process*, the campaigners in the more radical portion of the area, including the unfortunate lady herself, want the number of arrests, convictions and sentence for BAME people to be reduced.
If this requires de facto de criminalisation of a number of crimes, they are fine with that.
They want the outcome. Now.
It’s the wrong solution. There is clearly a problem with blacks and non whites and how the law treats them in terms of sentencing on a like for like basis, for example. However their solution is crazy.
I’m amazed Johnson, who was on the extreme fringes of the BLM movement, seems to be being rehabilitated into some sort of civil rights pioneer.
Buildings should be redesigned to have better ventilation in future to avoid a repeat of the Covid-19 pandemic, the UK’s chief scientific adviser has said.
Buildings should be redesigned to have better ventilation in future to avoid a repeat of the Covid-19 pandemic, the UK’s chief scientific adviser has said.
Another thing I am a big fan of (LOL) is properly designed *passive* ventilation. With a certain amount off effort, it is possible to design building to draw air through themselves, massively reducing or eliminating active air-conditioning.
Yet another sign that the EU a see Northern Ireland purely as a political football to push around the UK, paying little regard to the history of the Province.
As I’ve said before, the EU really need to let the UK sand RoI sort out the Province between them, the Union has no understanding of the place.
The EU know nothing about NI, and care even less.
They never had to suffer the horrific bombings, maimings or shootings.
'The EU' includes the Rep. of Ireland which has a deep and longstanding involvement with the problems of unhappy Northern Ireland.
However NI was doing very well when both the Republic and the UK, including NI were part of the EU, and many warned that leaving the EU would cause problems. Johnson, among other pooh-poohed that idea.
Any problems therefor are down to Britains hard Brexit government to solve. Especially as it signed an agreement which, it was claimed, solved them.
Sorry OKC that’s complete bollocks
Regardless of whether the issues are “down to” Brexit both sides need to work to solve them.
The GFA was established to achieve an objective (fudging the border) but was predicated on both RoI and the UK being in the EEA.
That is no longer the case. So the rational thing to do is to find another way to achieve the same objective. It is clear the protocol is contributing to unionist disquiet and tension in the province. So we need to look at another solution.
Part of the problem is the EU’s insistence on the sanctity of the single market. That implies there needs to be a hard border somewhere in the chain GB-NI-ROI-EU. None of the options are acceptable to all the parties. So people need to figure out a more creative solution - a process with which the EU Commission has refused to engage.
There is a simple solution. UK standards are EU standards cos we wrote them. UK standards are going to increase. So we are aligned and will remain aligned. We can have free trade tomorrow but we won't because that would be for the UK and EU to state the fact that we are aligned.
Johnson can't have that. So instead we will have trade sanctions due to the non-compliance of the UK which is compliant. Its so stupid, macho posturing instead of realpolitik. When the UK doesn't stick to its word and to agreements signed months ago there is little incentive for other parties to waste more time engaging with us when we will just trash that agreement as well.
The UK are acting like twats. As the US were. Biden is telling the G7 "America is back" in that it is now behaving and is sorry. Until we stop twatting about and say sorry, we will have no friends and no allies on this one. It is on us to compromise from our current position not them. If the deal doesn't work then its status quo ante time.
This is, of course, bullshit.
The question is not whether we are currently aligned, nor whether we are intent on improving our standards. It is that the EU want us to align with whatever new standards they chose to adopt in the future. Of course we are aligned now. But that does not mean we should remain aligned with whatever bollocks the EU come s up with in a year or a decades' time.
It is the EU and its apologists who are behaving like twats and making Johnson look reasonable. And given how much of a twat Johnson already is, that is some going.
Realpolitik kicks "whatever bollocks the EU comes up with" down the road. It is not a problem for now. Nor do we have to stay aligned with EU standards - like any standards they are a minimum. We can improve our standards above theirs and still be compliant. As having better standards is government policy this shouldn't cause problems.
People keep demanding the other side compromise whilst refusing to even do the "compromise" of recognising the status quo. And then wonder why the rest of the G7 think we are twats.
The status quo is recognised by the UK. The UK explicitly recognises that our standards are as high as the EU's.
Its on the EU to recognise that, via the Joint Committee, not on us to do it.
If the EU won't fulfill its obligations then we can and should invoke Article 16 and make all this go away until they compromise.
And with the US seeing that (understandably) as us breaching our own agreement, how does that then help us negotiate a brillo trade deal with the US?
What you think isn't what the US government thinks. Whose opinion is most relevant?
What UK voters think is most relevant.
We elect our government not the US POTUS.
Indeed! And they elect their government. Who say they won't deal with us if we throw Ireland under the bus as threatened. What they think is directly relevant to our chances of a trade deal. We can't say "sovrinty, do what we want" as they can say the same and agree to disagree.
Of course we can. We can say we will do what we want and have no deal.
A deal only works if both parties compromise to the point both parties are happy. No deal is perfectly fine otherwise.
You're happy with no post-Brexit trade deal with the US? Not sure many others will agree.
45% after 11 years of government. Johnson is some PM.
Kantar's figures from 20th April 2020 were even more striking :
Conservative 54% (+4 vs March 2020) Labour 28% (-1) Liberal Democrats 9% (-2) SNP 4% (no change) Green 4% (+2) Brexit Party 1% (nc) Plaid Cymru 1% (nc)
The Tories have dropped 9% in 14 months whilst Labour is up 4%.
Belgium took the knee last night, Russia didn't. It's admittedly a small sample but it might be worth 3 goals.
But those are pretty dire poll for the knee-benders. 30% of England fans support booing the England team
A third of all their supporters want to boo.
And they could have EASILY avoided all this with some huge knee bending orgy at the beginnng of the tournament, with all the players kneeling for 17 hours on live BBC on top of a giant wax mannikin carved into the image of Derek Chauvin. On top of the Acropolis. With spontaneous nasal songs by gospel choirs floating above in weird zeppelins marked BLM and carrying an outsize floodlit image of a crying slave child giving his last slice of rusk to a grateful Gary Lineker with a halo
Why not just do that?
Well, maybe the players think doing this before each match is a tad more meaningful? Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of the gesture and I am not completely sure that players who earn in excess of £100k a week are the best examples of ongoing oppression but if it makes the team feel together I am ok with it.
I am really looking forward to becoming a proper grumpy old man. At the moment my response to too many things is, whatever. It really won't do.
‘… I am not completely sure that players who earn in excess of £100k a week are the best examples of ongoing oppression…’
I find that view bonkers. So these players have to ignore, wipe, their backgrounds and views just because they have been extraordinarily fortunate, through their own hard work and persistence, to reach their current position?
And having reached their position, to be criticised for using their profile to try to improve matters, by highlighting ongoing inequalities, for other people.
Essentially we’re saying ‘Take the money and shut the fuck up. Don’t get uppity.’
Sigh. Taking the knee came from America. It came from black players who wanted to make a respectful point during their national anthem that their community is oppressed, is the victim of fairly random violence by the police and are simply not equal in the eyes of the country whose national anthem was being sung. I thought that was a commendable and restrained response that got these issues talked about.
What we have before football matches here is rather different. But, if it makes them feel better and together, whatever.
Indeed, didn't Kaepernick originate the gesture, and only later did the BLM movement adopt it in the 2020 George Floyd protests?
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
Interesting that you aren't aware.....
As part of the modern political stance on racial *outcomes* being the important thing, rather than a racially equal *process*, the campaigners in the more radical portion of the area, including the unfortunate lady herself, want the number of arrests, convictions and sentence for BAME people to be reduced.
If this requires de facto de criminalisation of a number of crimes, they are fine with that.
They want the outcome. Now.
It’s the wrong solution. There is clearly a problem with blacks and non whites and how the law treats them in terms of sentencing on a like for like basis, for example. However their solution is crazy.
I’m amazed Johnson, who was on the extreme fringes of the BLM movement, seems to be being rehabilitated into some sort of civil rights pioneer.
It is a solution borne of frustration on progress in equalising outcomes, much of it from the US, of course.
A part of the frustration that is not mentioned is that some groups seem to have overcome racial bias and have shot up the ladder of the system, in the UK.
Yet another sign that the EU a see Northern Ireland purely as a political football to push around the UK, paying little regard to the history of the Province.
As I’ve said before, the EU really need to let the UK sand RoI sort out the Province between them, the Union has no understanding of the place.
The EU know nothing about NI, and care even less.
They never had to suffer the horrific bombings, maimings or shootings.
'The EU' includes the Rep. of Ireland which has a deep and longstanding involvement with the problems of unhappy Northern Ireland.
However NI was doing very well when both the Republic and the UK, including NI were part of the EU, and many warned that leaving the EU would cause problems. Johnson, among other pooh-poohed that idea.
Any problems therefor are down to Britains hard Brexit government to solve. Especially as it signed an agreement which, it was claimed, solved them.
Sorry OKC that’s complete bollocks
Regardless of whether the issues are “down to” Brexit both sides need to work to solve them.
The GFA was established to achieve an objective (fudging the border) but was predicated on both RoI and the UK being in the EEA.
That is no longer the case. So the rational thing to do is to find another way to achieve the same objective. It is clear the protocol is contributing to unionist disquiet and tension in the province. So we need to look at another solution.
Part of the problem is the EU’s insistence on the sanctity of the single market. That implies there needs to be a hard border somewhere in the chain GB-NI-ROI-EU. None of the options are acceptable to all the parties. So people need to figure out a more creative solution - a process with which the EU Commission has refused to engage.
There is a simple solution. UK standards are EU standards cos we wrote them. UK standards are going to increase. So we are aligned and will remain aligned. We can have free trade tomorrow but we won't because that would be for the UK and EU to state the fact that we are aligned.
Johnson can't have that. So instead we will have trade sanctions due to the non-compliance of the UK which is compliant. Its so stupid, macho posturing instead of realpolitik. When the UK doesn't stick to its word and to agreements signed months ago there is little incentive for other parties to waste more time engaging with us when we will just trash that agreement as well.
The UK are acting like twats. As the US were. Biden is telling the G7 "America is back" in that it is now behaving and is sorry. Until we stop twatting about and say sorry, we will have no friends and no allies on this one. It is on us to compromise from our current position not them. If the deal doesn't work then its status quo ante time.
This is, of course, bullshit.
The question is not whether we are currently aligned, nor whether we are intent on improving our standards. It is that the EU want us to align with whatever new standards they chose to adopt in the future. Of course we are aligned now. But that does not mean we should remain aligned with whatever bollocks the EU come s up with in a year or a decades' time.
It is the EU and its apologists who are behaving like twats and making Johnson look reasonable. And given how much of a twat Johnson already is, that is some going.
Realpolitik kicks "whatever bollocks the EU comes up with" down the road. It is not a problem for now. Nor do we have to stay aligned with EU standards - like any standards they are a minimum. We can improve our standards above theirs and still be compliant. As having better standards is government policy this shouldn't cause problems.
People keep demanding the other side compromise whilst refusing to even do the "compromise" of recognising the status quo. And then wonder why the rest of the G7 think we are twats.
The status quo is recognised by the UK. The UK explicitly recognises that our standards are as high as the EU's.
Its on the EU to recognise that, via the Joint Committee, not on us to do it.
If the EU won't fulfill its obligations then we can and should invoke Article 16 and make all this go away until they compromise.
And with the US seeing that (understandably) as us breaching our own agreement, how does that then help us negotiate a brillo trade deal with the US?
What you think isn't what the US government thinks. Whose opinion is most relevant?
What UK voters think is most relevant.
We elect our government not the US POTUS.
Indeed! And they elect their government. Who say they won't deal with us if we throw Ireland under the bus as threatened. What they think is directly relevant to our chances of a trade deal. We can't say "sovrinty, do what we want" as they can say the same and agree to disagree.
Of course we can. We can say we will do what we want and have no deal.
A deal only works if both parties compromise to the point both parties are happy. No deal is perfectly fine otherwise.
You're happy with no post-Brexit trade deal with the US? Not sure many others will agree.
Of course I am!
No deal is better than a bad deal. You have to be prepared to walk away to get a good deal.
And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
I actually want England to lose, because of this. A bunch of virtue-signalling millionaires deliberately antagonising their supporters, by perpetuating an absurd ritual which is now an emblem of cultural Marxism, and which was originally aimed at police tactics in the a far off land
What the actual F has that got to do with English football?
Yet another sign that the EU a see Northern Ireland purely as a political football to push around the UK, paying little regard to the history of the Province.
As I’ve said before, the EU really need to let the UK sand RoI sort out the Province between them, the Union has no understanding of the place.
The EU know nothing about NI, and care even less.
They never had to suffer the horrific bombings, maimings or shootings.
'The EU' includes the Rep. of Ireland which has a deep and longstanding involvement with the problems of unhappy Northern Ireland.
However NI was doing very well when both the Republic and the UK, including NI were part of the EU, and many warned that leaving the EU would cause problems. Johnson, among other pooh-poohed that idea.
Any problems therefor are down to Britains hard Brexit government to solve. Especially as it signed an agreement which, it was claimed, solved them.
Sorry OKC that’s complete bollocks
Regardless of whether the issues are “down to” Brexit both sides need to work to solve them.
The GFA was established to achieve an objective (fudging the border) but was predicated on both RoI and the UK being in the EEA.
That is no longer the case. So the rational thing to do is to find another way to achieve the same objective. It is clear the protocol is contributing to unionist disquiet and tension in the province. So we need to look at another solution.
Part of the problem is the EU’s insistence on the sanctity of the single market. That implies there needs to be a hard border somewhere in the chain GB-NI-ROI-EU. None of the options are acceptable to all the parties. So people need to figure out a more creative solution - a process with which the EU Commission has refused to engage.
There is a simple solution. UK standards are EU standards cos we wrote them. UK standards are going to increase. So we are aligned and will remain aligned. We can have free trade tomorrow but we won't because that would be for the UK and EU to state the fact that we are aligned.
Johnson can't have that. So instead we will have trade sanctions due to the non-compliance of the UK which is compliant. Its so stupid, macho posturing instead of realpolitik. When the UK doesn't stick to its word and to agreements signed months ago there is little incentive for other parties to waste more time engaging with us when we will just trash that agreement as well.
The UK are acting like twats. As the US were. Biden is telling the G7 "America is back" in that it is now behaving and is sorry. Until we stop twatting about and say sorry, we will have no friends and no allies on this one. It is on us to compromise from our current position not them. If the deal doesn't work then its status quo ante time.
This is, of course, bullshit.
The question is not whether we are currently aligned, nor whether we are intent on improving our standards. It is that the EU want us to align with whatever new standards they chose to adopt in the future. Of course we are aligned now. But that does not mean we should remain aligned with whatever bollocks the EU come s up with in a year or a decades' time.
It is the EU and its apologists who are behaving like twats and making Johnson look reasonable. And given how much of a twat Johnson already is, that is some going.
Realpolitik kicks "whatever bollocks the EU comes up with" down the road. It is not a problem for now. Nor do we have to stay aligned with EU standards - like any standards they are a minimum. We can improve our standards above theirs and still be compliant. As having better standards is government policy this shouldn't cause problems.
People keep demanding the other side compromise whilst refusing to even do the "compromise" of recognising the status quo. And then wonder why the rest of the G7 think we are twats.
The status quo is recognised by the UK. The UK explicitly recognises that our standards are as high as the EU's.
Its on the EU to recognise that, via the Joint Committee, not on us to do it.
If the EU won't fulfill its obligations then we can and should invoke Article 16 and make all this go away until they compromise.
And with the US seeing that (understandably) as us breaching our own agreement, how does that then help us negotiate a brillo trade deal with the US?
What you think isn't what the US government thinks. Whose opinion is most relevant?
What UK voters think is most relevant.
We elect our government not the US POTUS.
Indeed! And they elect their government. Who say they won't deal with us if we throw Ireland under the bus as threatened. What they think is directly relevant to our chances of a trade deal. We can't say "sovrinty, do what we want" as they can say the same and agree to disagree.
Of course we can. We can say we will do what we want and have no deal.
A deal only works if both parties compromise to the point both parties are happy. No deal is perfectly fine otherwise.
You're happy with no post-Brexit trade deal with the US? Not sure many others will agree.
Oh, I would be tickled pink if there is no US/UK trade deal, or at least not one involving reducing our food standards.
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
Interesting that you aren't aware.....
As part of the modern political stance on racial *outcomes* being the important thing, rather than a racially equal *process*, the campaigners in the more radical portion of the area, including the unfortunate lady herself, want the number of arrests, convictions and sentence for BAME people to be reduced.
If this requires de facto de criminalisation of a number of crimes, they are fine with that.
They want the outcome. Now.
So they want to hand London to the gangs, to operate with impunity? Because that’s what it sounds like they’re suggesting.
So probably 84% by NIMS style data. It will be very interesting to see how high this goes. The younger groups are going up practically in a straight line - no sign of hesitancy there....
The level of hysteria on here regarding lockdown is a thing of beauty…
There is nothing hysterical about pointing out that current restrictions:- - make many businesses dependant on social closeness unviable and unprofitable - such businesses have spent much of the last 16 months closed and have exhausted any reserves - many such businesses employ the young, those starting out etc - summer business at full capacity is essential to allowing such businesses to survive, let alone become profitable - continuing restrictions over the summer - let alone beyond then - will destroy many such businesses. Once gone, there is little chance of them being replaced for who would take a chance on investing in such businesses in such a climate - the economic and social effects of this in very many parts of the country and in the young, in particular, will be very grave.
Also the government support is a fixed duration thing and is ending timed to freedom day. If that day gets pushed back further and further the government show no sign of rolling support further back, and that wouldn't cover losses stocking and resourcing up for unlock events that are now cancelled.
The entertainment and hospitality sectors really will be in ruins by the end.
Indeed. The total silence on continuation of support makes me fear the worst - that restrictions will continue, support will be withdrawn and the government will simply ignore the wave of bankruptcies, closures and lost jobs that will result.
Still there all those with large savings who can pay for it all - an 80% super tax on them should do it I reckon. And they'll be happy to pay, won't they?
Raab was asked today if the month's delay would be final and complete and he gave no assurance whatever. Nothing is ever, ever ruled out. He said they did not want to yo-yo, but again gave no assurance whatever.
The government's assertion that the month's delay was to give business 'certainty' is therefore complete rank bullsh8t.
All businesses are facing is an everlasting uncertainty, and its clear that after this delay many will say you know what, that is it.
Airlines. Hotels. Pubs. Conferencing. Weddings and events. These industries are getting crushed permanently.
Yeah the pubs are open but many are trading at a loss. They are not really 'open' in many cases. They have not been for a year.
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
Interesting that you aren't aware.....
As part of the modern political stance on racial *outcomes* being the important thing, rather than a racially equal *process*, the campaigners in the more radical portion of the area, including the unfortunate lady herself, want the number of arrests, convictions and sentence for BAME people to be reduced.
If this requires de facto de criminalisation of a number of crimes, they are fine with that.
They want the outcome. Now.
So they want to hand London to the gangs, to operate with impunity? Because that’s what it sounds like they’re suggesting.
They wan to decriminalise petty crime - including minor drug dealing.
And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
I actually want England to lose, because of this. A bunch of virtue-signalling millionaires deliberately antagonising their supporters, by perpetuating an absurd ritual which is now an emblem of cultural Marxism, and which was originally aimed at police tactics in the a far off land
What the actual F has that got to do with English football?
Also, Southgate is a twat
+1
I don't think I actively want England to lose. My sister in law is at Wembley today supporting England and it would feel disloyal to want an outcome which would make her sad. However, it's very difficult to want England to win now they're actively taking sides in the culture war.
Indeed, I find it very hard now to take pleasure in most spectator sports, now they have largely been taken over by the race relations industry.
Yet another sign that the EU a see Northern Ireland purely as a political football to push around the UK, paying little regard to the history of the Province.
As I’ve said before, the EU really need to let the UK sand RoI sort out the Province between them, the Union has no understanding of the place.
The EU know nothing about NI, and care even less.
They never had to suffer the horrific bombings, maimings or shootings.
'The EU' includes the Rep. of Ireland which has a deep and longstanding involvement with the problems of unhappy Northern Ireland.
However NI was doing very well when both the Republic and the UK, including NI were part of the EU, and many warned that leaving the EU would cause problems. Johnson, among other pooh-poohed that idea.
Any problems therefor are down to Britains hard Brexit government to solve. Especially as it signed an agreement which, it was claimed, solved them.
Sorry OKC that’s complete bollocks
Regardless of whether the issues are “down to” Brexit both sides need to work to solve them.
The GFA was established to achieve an objective (fudging the border) but was predicated on both RoI and the UK being in the EEA.
That is no longer the case. So the rational thing to do is to find another way to achieve the same objective. It is clear the protocol is contributing to unionist disquiet and tension in the province. So we need to look at another solution.
Part of the problem is the EU’s insistence on the sanctity of the single market. That implies there needs to be a hard border somewhere in the chain GB-NI-ROI-EU. None of the options are acceptable to all the parties. So people need to figure out a more creative solution - a process with which the EU Commission has refused to engage.
There is a simple solution. UK standards are EU standards cos we wrote them. UK standards are going to increase. So we are aligned and will remain aligned. We can have free trade tomorrow but we won't because that would be for the UK and EU to state the fact that we are aligned.
Johnson can't have that. So instead we will have trade sanctions due to the non-compliance of the UK which is compliant. Its so stupid, macho posturing instead of realpolitik. When the UK doesn't stick to its word and to agreements signed months ago there is little incentive for other parties to waste more time engaging with us when we will just trash that agreement as well.
The UK are acting like twats. As the US were. Biden is telling the G7 "America is back" in that it is now behaving and is sorry. Until we stop twatting about and say sorry, we will have no friends and no allies on this one. It is on us to compromise from our current position not them. If the deal doesn't work then its status quo ante time.
This is, of course, bullshit.
The question is not whether we are currently aligned, nor whether we are intent on improving our standards. It is that the EU want us to align with whatever new standards they chose to adopt in the future. Of course we are aligned now. But that does not mean we should remain aligned with whatever bollocks the EU come s up with in a year or a decades' time.
It is the EU and its apologists who are behaving like twats and making Johnson look reasonable. And given how much of a twat Johnson already is, that is some going.
Realpolitik kicks "whatever bollocks the EU comes up with" down the road. It is not a problem for now. Nor do we have to stay aligned with EU standards - like any standards they are a minimum. We can improve our standards above theirs and still be compliant. As having better standards is government policy this shouldn't cause problems.
People keep demanding the other side compromise whilst refusing to even do the "compromise" of recognising the status quo. And then wonder why the rest of the G7 think we are twats.
The status quo is recognised by the UK. The UK explicitly recognises that our standards are as high as the EU's.
Its on the EU to recognise that, via the Joint Committee, not on us to do it.
If the EU won't fulfill its obligations then we can and should invoke Article 16 and make all this go away until they compromise.
And with the US seeing that (understandably) as us breaching our own agreement, how does that then help us negotiate a brillo trade deal with the US?
What you think isn't what the US government thinks. Whose opinion is most relevant?
What UK voters think is most relevant.
We elect our government not the US POTUS.
Indeed! And they elect their government. Who say they won't deal with us if we throw Ireland under the bus as threatened. What they think is directly relevant to our chances of a trade deal. We can't say "sovrinty, do what we want" as they can say the same and agree to disagree.
Of course we can. We can say we will do what we want and have no deal.
A deal only works if both parties compromise to the point both parties are happy. No deal is perfectly fine otherwise.
You're happy with no post-Brexit trade deal with the US? Not sure many others will agree.
Where did this fiction about our desperation for a US trade deal come from?
Buildings should be redesigned to have better ventilation in future to avoid a repeat of the Covid-19 pandemic, the UK’s chief scientific adviser has said.
Another thing I am a big fan of (LOL) is properly designed *passive* ventilation. With a certain amount off effort, it is possible to design building to draw air through themselves, massively reducing or eliminating active air-conditioning.
It's not clear if he knows what the requirements currently are, nor what he wants them to be.
Southgate says booing is a personal choice which is a fair thing to say. Wouldn’t imagine Rio Ferdinand would give such a nuanced anti authoritarian response.
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
Interesting that you aren't aware.....
As part of the modern political stance on racial *outcomes* being the important thing, rather than a racially equal *process*, the campaigners in the more radical portion of the area, including the unfortunate lady herself, want the number of arrests, convictions and sentence for BAME people to be reduced.
If this requires de facto de criminalisation of a number of crimes, they are fine with that.
They want the outcome. Now.
So they want to hand London to the gangs, to operate with impunity? Because that’s what it sounds like they’re suggesting.
They wan to decriminalise petty crime - including minor drug dealing.
Mind you, I want to legalise drugs, so......
I’d legalise drugs too - but not hand them to the gangs, that’s the worst of all worlds!
And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
I actually want England to lose, because of this. A bunch of virtue-signalling millionaires deliberately antagonising their supporters, by perpetuating an absurd ritual which is now an emblem of cultural Marxism, and which was originally aimed at police tactics in the a far off land
What the actual F has that got to do with English football?
Also, Southgate is a twat
+1
So you can also fuck off up your UnHerd drivel pipe, Andy.
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
Interesting that you aren't aware.....
As part of the modern political stance on racial *outcomes* being the important thing, rather than a racially equal *process*, the campaigners in the more radical portion of the area, including the unfortunate lady herself, want the number of arrests, convictions and sentence for BAME people to be reduced.
If this requires de facto de criminalisation of a number of crimes, they are fine with that.
They want the outcome. Now.
So they want to hand London to the gangs, to operate with impunity? Because that’s what it sounds like they’re suggesting.
They wan to decriminalise petty crime - including minor drug dealing.
Mind you, I want to legalise drugs, so......
I’d legalise drugs too - but not hand them to the gangs, that’s the worst of all worlds!
Duh. Legalising drugs takes them out of the gangs' hands.
And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
I actually want England to lose, because of this. A bunch of virtue-signalling millionaires deliberately antagonising their supporters, by perpetuating an absurd ritual which is now an emblem of cultural Marxism, and which was originally aimed at police tactics in the a far off land
What the actual F has that got to do with English football?
Also, Southgate is a twat
+1
I don't think I actively want England to lose. My sister in law is at Wembley today supporting England and it would feel disloyal to want an outcome which would make her sad. However, it's very difficult to want England to win now they're actively taking sides in the culture war.
Indeed, I find it very hard now to take pleasure in most spectator sports, now they have largely been taken over by the race relations industry.
A few months back I saw a documentary (I think on netflix?) featuring England's black rugby players and the issues of race they faced in that sport.
I'm not saying they don't have a point, but part of the footage was taken on the immaculate playing fields of England's top public schools, where some of the said players have scholarships!!
And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
I actually want England to lose, because of this. A bunch of virtue-signalling millionaires deliberately antagonising their supporters, by perpetuating an absurd ritual which is now an emblem of cultural Marxism, and which was originally aimed at police tactics in the a far off land
What the actual F has that got to do with English football?
Also, Southgate is a twat
+1
I don't think I actively want England to lose. My sister in law is at Wembley today supporting England and it would feel disloyal to want an outcome which would make her sad. However, it's very difficult to want England to win now they're actively taking sides in the culture war.
Indeed, I find it very hard now to take pleasure in most spectator sports, now they have largely been taken over by the race relations industry.
Oh not another one! But well done for not actually rooting for a loss. Small mercies.
Would a draw suit you then?
Would me - I'm on the 1/1. Value at 9.8 on Betfair imo.
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
Interesting that you aren't aware.....
As part of the modern political stance on racial *outcomes* being the important thing, rather than a racially equal *process*, the campaigners in the more radical portion of the area, including the unfortunate lady herself, want the number of arrests, convictions and sentence for BAME people to be reduced.
If this requires de facto de criminalisation of a number of crimes, they are fine with that.
They want the outcome. Now.
So they want to hand London to the gangs, to operate with impunity? Because that’s what it sounds like they’re suggesting.
They wan to decriminalise petty crime - including minor drug dealing.
Mind you, I want to legalise drugs, so......
I’d legalise drugs too - but not hand them to the gangs, that’s the worst of all worlds!
Obviously
Some of the more radical activists in the US think that drug legalisation is racist as well - the legal dealers of Mary Jane tend to be quite white.
Incidentally, the US approach has created the next slow motion disaster. Because the Federal government still regards weed as illegal, banks can't be involved. Which means shops have to deal in cash and growers can't get loans.
So the growing industry is dominated by people who can provided literal stacks os cash to invest. Such people tend to be from the Legally Challenged Community.
In addition, armed robbery is back in fashion, since shops have large stacks of cash about....
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
Interesting that you aren't aware.....
As part of the modern political stance on racial *outcomes* being the important thing, rather than a racially equal *process*, the campaigners in the more radical portion of the area, including the unfortunate lady herself, want the number of arrests, convictions and sentence for BAME people to be reduced.
If this requires de facto de criminalisation of a number of crimes, they are fine with that.
They want the outcome. Now.
So they want to hand London to the gangs, to operate with impunity? Because that’s what it sounds like they’re suggesting.
They wan to decriminalise petty crime - including minor drug dealing.
Mind you, I want to legalise drugs, so......
I’d legalise drugs too - but not hand them to the gangs, that’s the worst of all worlds!
Duh. Legalising drugs takes them out of the gangs' hands.
Nah, it just turns our government into a gang of drug dealers.
And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
I actually want England to lose, because of this. A bunch of virtue-signalling millionaires deliberately antagonising their supporters, by perpetuating an absurd ritual which is now an emblem of cultural Marxism, and which was originally aimed at police tactics in the a far off land
What the actual F has that got to do with English football?
Also, Southgate is a twat
+1
So you can also fuck off up your UnHerd drivel pipe, Andy.
No offence.
Hilarious how the middle class left is suddenly right behind England football
Tarquin always was a bit of a fan of Newcastle Rovers and Jocasta plays lock forward for her local prep school side!
The absolute state of English PBers wanting England to lose. Absolutely effing pathetic. Take a careful note to never listen to any of these morons whenever they pontificate about patriotism.
Buildings should be redesigned to have better ventilation in future to avoid a repeat of the Covid-19 pandemic, the UK’s chief scientific adviser has said.
Another thing I am a big fan of (LOL) is properly designed *passive* ventilation. With a certain amount off effort, it is possible to design building to draw air through themselves, massively reducing or eliminating active air-conditioning.
It's not clear if he knows what the requirements currently are, nor what he wants them to be.
There are standards and designs for preventing air-condition "pulling" or "pushing" air across multiple people/areas - there is already a great deal of interest in such things, since it is one cause of "sick building" syndrome.
It is definitely the kind of thing that should be considered in a any new designed buildings.
And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
I actually want England to lose, because of this. A bunch of virtue-signalling millionaires deliberately antagonising their supporters, by perpetuating an absurd ritual which is now an emblem of cultural Marxism, and which was originally aimed at police tactics in the a far off land
What the actual F has that got to do with English football?
Also, Southgate is a twat
+1
So you can also fuck off up your UnHerd drivel pipe, Andy.
No offence.
Hilarious how the middle class left is suddenly right behind England football
Tarquin always was a bit of a fan of Newcastle Rovers and Jocasta plays lock forward for her local prep school side!
The absolute state of English PBers wanting England to lose. Absolutely effing pathetic. Take a careful note to never listen to any of these morons whenever they pontificate about patriotism.
Even so, the BLM the movement has succeeded beyond its wildest dreams in driving wedges between people who were not divided before.
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
Interesting that you aren't aware.....
As part of the modern political stance on racial *outcomes* being the important thing, rather than a racially equal *process*, the campaigners in the more radical portion of the area, including the unfortunate lady herself, want the number of arrests, convictions and sentence for BAME people to be reduced.
If this requires de facto de criminalisation of a number of crimes, they are fine with that.
They want the outcome. Now.
So they want to hand London to the gangs, to operate with impunity? Because that’s what it sounds like they’re suggesting.
They wan to decriminalise petty crime - including minor drug dealing.
Mind you, I want to legalise drugs, so......
I’d legalise drugs too - but not hand them to the gangs, that’s the worst of all worlds!
Duh. Legalising drugs takes them out of the gangs' hands.
Nah, it just turns our government into a gang of drug dealers.
But with really good trigger discipline. And product quality. And customer service.
EDIT - Mind you, the government itself is quite an enthusiastic pusher of er....... Diamorphine. Available for free.....
The absolute state of English PBers wanting England to lose. Absolutely effing pathetic. Take a careful note to never listen to any of these morons whenever they pontificate about patriotism.
It's fucking awful. I'm cheering England on enthusiastically, and I'm bloody Scottish. #comeonengland.
And the government’s culture warmongering would almost be less objectionable were it not so transparently cynical and inauthentic. The anti-woke playbook says oppose taking the knee but the polling shows salt-of-the-earth-red-wall-association-football-fans like the England squad https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404021277279633408
I actually want England to lose, because of this. A bunch of virtue-signalling millionaires deliberately antagonising their supporters, by perpetuating an absurd ritual which is now an emblem of cultural Marxism, and which was originally aimed at police tactics in the a far off land
What the actual F has that got to do with English football?
Also, Southgate is a twat
+1
So you can also fuck off up your UnHerd drivel pipe, Andy.
No offence.
Hilarious how the middle class left is suddenly right behind England football
Tarquin always was a bit of a fan of Newcastle Rovers and Jocasta plays lock forward for her local prep school side!
This Middle Cass Leftie was at the 2018 World Cup with his boys waving England flags at the Semi-Final.
The absolute state of English PBers wanting England to lose. Absolutely effing pathetic. Take a careful note to never listen to any of these morons whenever they pontificate about patriotism.
Plus a HUNDRED.
Yep. They're all on a list now. Take a lot to get off it too.
The absolute state of English PBers wanting England to lose. Absolutely effing pathetic. Take a careful note to never listen to any of these morons whenever they pontificate about patriotism.
It's fucking awful. I'm cheering England on enthusiastically, and I'm bloody Scottish. #comeonengland.
Good man - FWIW I will also be cheering Scotland on - well, other than in one particular game
The absolute state of English PBers wanting England to lose. Absolutely effing pathetic. Take a careful note to never listen to any of these morons whenever they pontificate about patriotism.
People are entitled to show complete indifference to an event they find totally inconsequential. Not sure what it has to do with patriotism - particularly as England, Wales & Scotland are effectively regions of Great Briain rather than countries in their own right.
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https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1403857622181285890?s=21
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/kehinde-andrews-birmingham-city-university-b1857395.html
We are just different. Like trying to harness a pair of horses, one of whom perpetually wants to go right, one of whom perpetually wants to go left. The only way you could ever go forward is to use the whip. All the time.
And even then, we couldn't agree if it is was appropriate to be going forward. Because that is what Germany wanted to do.
(I'm on holiday, afternoon does not exist.) Is it unreasonable to call the Apple marketing process "Grooming", and the customers "victims"?
Lots of people do virtue signalling in many different ways. Almost all of the time it is pointless at best but going as far as to boo those doing it does seem at least mildly offensive to me.
Mind you I am not a great fan of bladder kicking either so I probably don't see the point in any of the activities going on inside Wembley stadium from start to finish.
The BBC confirms that THIS is the organisation behind "taking the knee" so, yes, the England players are kneeling to Karl Marx, insane communism, and anti-white racism
With all due respect, fuck them
We elect our government not the US POTUS.
His purpose and role is to indulge the self flagination tendencies of our liberal elite. He clearly recognises that.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/12/uk/sasha-johnson-blm-shooting-man-charged/index.html
- make many businesses dependant on social closeness unviable and unprofitable
- such businesses have spent much of the last 16 months closed and have exhausted any reserves
- many such businesses employ the young, those starting out etc
- summer business at full capacity is essential to allowing such businesses to survive, let alone become profitable
- continuing restrictions over the summer - let alone beyond then - will destroy many such businesses. Once gone, there is little chance of them being replaced for who would take a chance on investing in such businesses in such a climate
- the economic and social effects of this in very many parts of the country and in the young, in particular, will be very grave.
I see little wrong in virtue signalling btw. In fact I see nothing wrong in it. People who consider virtue signalling to be one of the top things to fret about in the world should imo take a long hard look in the mirror and have a long hard word with their reflection.
So of course a chunk of people identify more with the people booing than they do the people represented by taking the knee. "I'm not racist" so anything that suggests my prejudice against the other is wrong. Boooo.
Question - I haven't see this problem north of the wall. I know there are pockets of it but is it widespread as it is in England? How about Wales? Either way, I have too look on this anguish over booing taking the knee as someone else's problem. If booing the Engerland team makes people feel like proper England fans then whatever.
In fact, and this may be news to you, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WATCH THEM DO IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.
Personally, I shall support Scotland for the first two minutes of the game as my little protest. (They better not score.)
The entertainment and hospitality sectors really will be in ruins by the end.
https://twitter.com/England/status/1404040020034527241?s=20
1 Pickford
2 Walker
5 Stones
15 Mings
12 Trippier
14 Phillips
4 Rice
20 Foden
19 Mount
10 Sterling
9 Kane
I kind of think of booing people taking the knee as being like me, as an atheist, booing people walking into church. It would be pointless, silly and, most importantly, extremely rude.
There is more than enough room in this world for a diverse range of different beliefs, customs and priorities. Getting offended by something you don't personally agree with with shows a real lack of imagination and empathy.
Bumptiously pronouncing that you want our 51 years of hurt prolonged. You want the team to lose purely because your reactionary hackles are raised by the sight of our national footballers - many of them black and with the experience of racial abuse at the sharp end that you have never had and can't relate to in a million years - investing about 5 seconds of their time before a match in an anti-racism gesture.
Words fail me. Or rather they didn't. I'm quite happy with that.
GB News will be running with this one later on I expect.
Also perhaps explains why some venues appear to still ask for names and numbers as well as to tap into the app. Maybe the names/numbers thing is still actually a Govt requirement that the vast majority of venues either aren't aware of or are ignoring.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/28/uk/london-blm-activist-shooting-charge-intl-hnk/index.html
A deal only works if both parties compromise to the point both parties are happy. No deal is perfectly fine otherwise.
The TTIP said Thursday it was concerned police were using people in the community as "scapegoats" for her shooting, claiming recent arrests were made with "no valid evidence."
"Arresting these individuals on this basis and highlighting that they were carrying drugs with intent to supply, is subliminally suggesting that this is a gang-related crime as opposed to an attempt of murder," it said.
The TTIP concluded that although they "want to see the attackers brought to justice, we do not want potentially innocent people charged with attempted murder and becoming part of the statistics, subjects to the injustices that Sasha has been fighting against."
As part of the modern political stance on racial *outcomes* being the important thing, rather than a racially equal *process*, the campaigners in the more radical portion of the area, including the unfortunate lady herself, want the number of arrests, convictions and sentence for BAME people to be reduced.
If this requires de facto de criminalisation of a number of crimes, they are fine with that.
They want the outcome. Now.
https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/1404013646167134213?s=21
Johnson isn’t the Prime Minister of Great Britain.
Still there all those with large savings who can pay for it all - an 80% super tax on them should do it I reckon. And they'll be happy to pay, won't they?
Has Southgate learned so much from Pep that he’s also started overthinking his lineups in the biggest matches? Smiling face with open mouth and cold sweat Have these guys ever played together in a competitive match?
https://twitter.com/smarterscout/status/1404045476429799426?s=20
I’m amazed Johnson, who was on the extreme fringes of the BLM movement, seems to be being rehabilitated into some sort of civil rights pioneer.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/improve-ventilation-buildings-stop-another-pandemic-chief-scientific-adviser-1049407
Those plastic screens are going to need to go.
Conservative 54% (+4 vs March 2020)
Labour 28% (-1)
Liberal Democrats 9% (-2)
SNP 4% (no change)
Green 4% (+2)
Brexit Party 1% (nc)
Plaid Cymru 1% (nc)
The Tories have dropped 9% in 14 months whilst Labour is up 4%.
A part of the frustration that is not mentioned is that some groups seem to have overcome racial bias and have shot up the ladder of the system, in the UK.
No deal is better than a bad deal. You have to be prepared to walk away to get a good deal.
The government's assertion that the month's delay was to give business 'certainty' is therefore complete rank bullsh8t.
All businesses are facing is an everlasting uncertainty, and its clear that after this delay many will say you know what, that is it.
Airlines. Hotels. Pubs. Conferencing. Weddings and events. These industries are getting crushed permanently.
Yeah the pubs are open but many are trading at a loss. They are not really 'open' in many cases. They have not been for a year.
Mind you, I want to legalise drugs, so......
Indeed, I find it very hard now to take pleasure in most spectator sports, now they have largely been taken over by the race relations industry.
No offence.
I'm not saying they don't have a point, but part of the footage was taken on the immaculate playing fields of England's top public schools, where some of the said players have scholarships!!
Would a draw suit you then?
Would me - I'm on the 1/1. Value at 9.8 on Betfair imo.
Some of the more radical activists in the US think that drug legalisation is racist as well - the legal dealers of Mary Jane tend to be quite white.
Incidentally, the US approach has created the next slow motion disaster. Because the Federal government still regards weed as illegal, banks can't be involved. Which means shops have to deal in cash and growers can't get loans.
So the growing industry is dominated by people who can provided literal stacks os cash to invest. Such people tend to be from the Legally Challenged Community.
In addition, armed robbery is back in fashion, since shops have large stacks of cash about....
Tarquin always was a bit of a fan of Newcastle Rovers and Jocasta plays lock forward for her local prep school side!
It is definitely the kind of thing that should be considered in a any new designed buildings.
Ingerland, Ingerland ...
Scumming home, Scumming home, Scumming ...
EDIT - Mind you, the government itself is quite an enthusiastic pusher of er....... Diamorphine. Available for free.....
Yep. They're all on a list now. Take a lot to get off it too.