BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Labour seem to be changing their attitude on lockdown slightly.
O'Connor said so far the UK's offers had fallen "well short" of New Zealand's expectations and while he wanted to make progress, he would not sacrifice quality for speed.
He said the United Kingdom was under pressure to secure free trade agreements post-Brexit.
I doubt Great Yarmouth or Skegness would be turning up their nose at Cornwall’s success.
Norfolk should be the Netherlands of the UK.
Means?
Hopefully bicycles, windbreaks, canal vaulting, and bog snorkelling. Or it could be cover the county with 10 more Thanet Earths to grow all our tomatoes here.
Interesting visit to the showhomes on a new local housing development. Fairly small - 120 houses on a couple of sloping fields preserving ancient hedges etc, with an acre of open space on the 10 acre site including a 2000sqm balancing pond, adjacent to a country park, and good connectivity. Long views over Derbyshire but over an industrial estate further down the hill.
They have apparently sold 30 since the spring, and is very popular - apparently releasing the last 4 a few days ago they had several thousand calls in the first hour.
Prices around £220/sqft - £238k for a compact but very efficiently laid out small 4 bed detached with 2 double / 2 single, one with ensuite, double garage. Interesting trend compared to previous decades to oblong rooms rather than square in kitchen, living and master bedroom, which allows two activity zones. Decent spec but not high end. Well laid-out estate - I specified the illustrative layout and took it through planning. Some obvious tight cost control - lightweight doors etc, but some pleasant modern version of estate fencing.
The company is a regional developer Gleeson who specialise in 'affordable homes for ordinary people'. I'm sure that somebody can find issues with them somewhere .
Give us the room sizes then. I, before buying my present (4 bedroomed Victorian terraced) house, looked round a couple of new developments and was shocked at how narrow the rooms were, how little storage space, how minuscule the gardens, and how cheap were things like the guttering and down pipes. One of them, my wife was actually leaving the place as I walked in while chatting to the staff member. I insisted on looking at it and I really, really, hated it. Not as much as her though. Our previous properties were all 1960s or earlier and at least looked like the walls wouldn’t fall down with a sparrows fart.
I'd never consider a new build. Far too many horror stories of shoebox rooms and shoddy construction.
I think those are all fair points - there is very little *unnecessary* in the design, and thorough use of all the space in the volume. Which makes storage and extra growth potential difficult. I looked at a 4 bed and 3 bed designs. A couple had a big cupboard under the stairs.
In a living space, for example, you would need your sofa against the wall rather than having an extra 1.2m behind the sofa for a bookshelf, as that 1.2m would add more value as most of an eating space in the kitchen-diner next door.
One of the comments I made back was that "my relative looking for a house" would likely want spaces for dishwasher, washer, and tumble dryer - whilst there was only a single appliance space. And only one design has a utility. Everyone would definitely need a shed, or do the traditional dedication of garage to storage.
The one below is the most conventional in layout. In a couple of the others there were eg staircases exposed to living area - which gives a perception of extra space, and saves the need to build one stair wall.
They really have made the most of the space. Some of those rooms are tiny. Do they have a garden?
Tiny most of them would be more or less full with just a king size bed in them
King size beds are not *necessary*.
All have gardens - density of development is 118 on 10 acres.
I posted the estate plan in the thread.
1/12 of an acre each, not allowing for roads is pretty tiny, not that people seem to want big gardens anymore, except for parking and building on.
Looks like I could build 40 odd on my paddock at that density.
Just below standard "Prescott density" for a site in that position - guidelines established by Prezza in Blair term 1 or 2 when was Deputy PM. 10% open space mandated. Plus some ancient hedges have been preserved.
It's one thing that drives NIMBYism, lower density gets fewer objections but councils don't like. I was planning less than 20 on my paddock.
You'll need to explore what is appropriate for the area.
And that is a very awkward size of development - big enough to trigger all the charges, but small enough that not too many people would take it on.
It's quite possible that your best way would be to get outline, and sell off individual plots with PP to self-builders.
Budget 80-100k to do the work to get PP, and be ready to write off all of it if you lose. And take lots of advice, which I am sure you will do. Tax strategy is really important.
O'Connor said so far the UK's offers had fallen "well short" of New Zealand's expectations and while he wanted to make progress, he would not sacrifice quality for speed.
He said the United Kingdom was under pressure to secure free trade agreements post-Brexit.
O'Connor said so far the UK's offers had fallen "well short" of New Zealand's expectations and while he wanted to make progress, he would not sacrifice quality for speed.
He said the United Kingdom was under pressure to secure free trade agreements post-Brexit.
O'Connor said so far the UK's offers had fallen "well short" of New Zealand's expectations and while he wanted to make progress, he would not sacrifice quality for speed.
He said the United Kingdom was under pressure to secure free trade agreements post-Brexit.
BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Labour seem to be changing their attitude on lockdown slightly.
They should position themselves so they're ready to rip Johnson's throat out when he delays for another six months or a year or whatever miserable torment he intends to inflict upon us next.
It's high time we had an Opposition capable of applying some actual pressure to the fool. If we're really lucky his polling lead will go altogether and the Tory Party will take fright and defenestrate him. Preferably from the top of the Shard.
BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 3h Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
O'Connor said so far the UK's offers had fallen "well short" of New Zealand's expectations and while he wanted to make progress, he would not sacrifice quality for speed.
He said the United Kingdom was under pressure to secure free trade agreements post-Brexit.
I'm surprised St Jacinda is allowing one of her ministers to come to the plague island.
New Zealand is also under pressure:
Goods made up 70% of New Zealand goods and services exports and were valued at $53.6 billion in the year ending December 2017. For our major primary sectors – meat, dairy, fisheries, wine, forestry and some horticulture products – between about 70 percent and 95 percent of the output they produce is exported. Without trade, between 70 and 95 percent of those industries in New Zealand would simply not exist. The impact on Māori and the regions would be especially acute.
So, to conclude: • Third wave of hospital admissions clearly underway • Data still suggest this wave should be less lethal • But no clear sign yet of current wave subsiding • And still millions unvaccinated • Postponement seems the logical move
They'll prevaricate until they've finished double-vaxxing the whole adult population Then declare that's insufficient, and all the secondary school kids need doing - twice Then they'll keep everybody locked up anyway because there are too many anti-vaxxers They'll also decide that the olds all need boosters We are therefore going to be living like this forever. Might as well fucking give up
Honestly, this is making me reassess whether I want to stay in the UK at the moment. Italy might be chaos but at least it's a properly free country. The UK is run by busy body wankers.
You're lucky to have the option to move. Most of us are stuck in this dump.
The government is - decisively - supported by pensioners. They therefore don’t really need to worry about the “economically active” vote.
Especially when the main opposition is on the “lockdown more” side...
Are they? How can you tell from the silence?
You are of course correct to blame the opposition if it was Labour who allowed the importation of the Delta variant through their piss poor travel policy, which will inevitably lead to negative lockdown issues.
A couple of piccies from my near-favourite modern house, built by an architect and his wife in 1967 and surprisingly small. They still live there in their 80s. Two views of the same space, and an amazing density of excellent, thoughtful design. Open for visitors sometimes. In Haddenham, Bucks.
eg It's a tiny galley kitchen, and those seats are against the worktop, but borrow the circulation space when in use; people sitting eating are not circulating.1967 bifold doors. Quarry tiles running inside to outside. Seat by a pond by the door case in situ. And so on - no end to it and the whole thing is perhaps only 1000 sqft.
Reminds me of Mitch’s ranch house in the original “Parent Trap”.
If any PBer is feeling nostalgic for 1970s homes, one of the final three homes on “Scotland’s Home of the Year” was the Mid Century Fun House, pure 1970s design. It can be seen on BBC Scotland iplayer. Worth a watch.
BLM supporters (55%) are twice as likely as BLM opponents (26%) to say it’s hard to be friends with someone on the other side of the debate. Labour supporters (35%) are five times as likely as Conservative supporters (7%) to say so."
The problem is that many on the right of politics are themselves deeply intolerant - of minorities of various kinds in particular. I'm not going to be someone's friend if they have those kinds of attitudes towards my friends and family members. I have plenty of friends who are far to the right of me on economic issues but are socially liberal. But cultural rightwingers I view as fundamentally a threat to the safety and happiness of people I care about.
Lilico, one of the more sober analysts, reckons there will be 125K cases a week by then. But only 6K hospitalisations.
Enough to justify throwing the economy and livelihoods under the bus even more?
Absolutely farcical.
The virus is burning out the low-hanging fruit left now which aren't especially vulnerable. It will burn out the pockets where there isn't immunity then run out of people to infect and die off due to herd immunity.
The vulnerable aren't at risk, the NHS isn't at risk. The economy is. Livelihoods are. Lives are from that.
Lilico, one of the more sober analysts, reckons there will be 125K cases a week by then. But only 6K hospitalisations.
Enough to justify throwing the economy and livelihoods under the bus even more?
On the other hand, 125k with Covid is a lot of folk off work. And plenty more disincentivised to go out and spend. Both of which also affect jobs and livelihoods.
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BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 3h Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
Lots of people on PB sanguine about (endless) delays to being able to live what 20 months ago would be considered the absolute basics of human life.
BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 3h Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
The Government deserves to be strung up by the unmentionables. If the Opposition can't make political capital out of this disaster, then so do they.
BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 3h Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
The Government deserves to be strung up by the unmentionables. If the Opposition can't make political capital out of this disaster, then so do they.
Remember the public are highly risk averse so a delay may actually be popular
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BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 3h Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
It was necessary to keep unfettered travel to and from India for Johnson to seal a world beating trade deal with Modi.
Lilico, one of the more sober analysts, reckons there will be 125K cases a week by then. But only 6K hospitalisations.
Enough to justify throwing the economy and livelihoods under the bus even more?
On the other hand, 125k with Covid is a lot of folk off work. And plenty more disincentivised to go out and spend. Both of which also affect jobs and livelihoods.
That's going to happen either way. Israel experienced an exit wave as COVID ripped through the unvaccinated. Eventually they got herd immunity.
Lilico, one of the more sober analysts, reckons there will be 125K cases a week by then. But only 6K hospitalisations.
Enough to justify throwing the economy and livelihoods under the bus even more?
Absolutely farcical.
The virus is burning out the low-hanging fruit left now which aren't especially vulnerable. It will burn out the pockets where there isn't immunity then run out of people to infect and die off due to herd immunity.
The vulnerable aren't at risk, the NHS isn't at risk. The economy is. Livelihoods are. Lives are from that.
Remember from here on in, whatever you think about what went before, all the suffering that we're going to have to go through is absolutely, 100%, the fault of the Prime Minister and the Conservative Party. All of it.
I mean, some of us will also blame the scientists in our more despairing moments, but ultimately they don't wield the executive power. The Government does.
The endless punishments. Distancing, masks, restrictions, petty bureaucratic bullying, for years. The business failures. The total despair that it will never end. And it may indeed never, ever end. All Boris Johnson. All his fault.
Case numbers are rising, hospital admissions are rising, and all that the government is worried about is when to ease restrictions, thereby accelerating the rate of growth. Instead, they should be taking action now to get R below 1, such as taking us back a step and closing the pubs and eateries again.
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Case numbers are rising, hospital admissions are rising, and all that the government is worried about is when to ease restrictions, thereby accelerating the rate of growth. Instead, they should be taking action now to get R below 1, such as taking us back a step and closing the pubs and eateries again.
Could ditch the crowds at the Euros, if they were feeling inclined to utterly demoralise the nation
Case numbers are rising, hospital admissions are rising, and all that the government is worried about is when to ease restrictions, thereby accelerating the rate of growth. Instead, they should be taking action now to get R below 1, such as taking us back a step and closing the pubs and eateries again.
If we're going for Zero Covid then we might as well commit mass suicide and get it over with.
Case numbers are rising, hospital admissions are rising, and all that the government is worried about is when to ease restrictions, thereby accelerating the rate of growth. Instead, they should be taking action now to get R below 1, such as taking us back a step and closing the pubs and eateries again.
Hospital numbers are rising at a rate of 7% per week, that's a doubling time of between 10-11 weeks. We're still vaccinating people. we're not even close to the NHS crumbling under the pressure. This is scientists who want to control everyone's lives and pussy politicians that can't tell them to fuck off.
BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 3h Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
The Government deserves to be strung up by the unmentionables. If the Opposition can't make political capital out of this disaster, then so do they.
Remember the public are highly risk averse so a delay may actually be popular
They deserve death.
EDIT: I've just had it with this. I'm absolutely done. Sick of suffering for the sake of other people's fear. Fuck em. Fuck em all.
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Sounds like the University of Warwick modellers have been at it again.
"Mr Johnson is understood to have decided a delay of up to four weeks – but no longer"
"no longer".
Yeh, right Mr Johnson.
The step 4 lifting will not happen this year now. By late July it will be too close to the 'back to school' and seasonal uptick in cases and so we had better carry on and see what happens in September/October.
Lilico, one of the more sober analysts, reckons there will be 125K cases a week by then. But only 6K hospitalisations.
Enough to justify throwing the economy and livelihoods under the bus even more?
Absolutely farcical.
The virus is burning out the low-hanging fruit left now which aren't especially vulnerable. It will burn out the pockets where there isn't immunity then run out of people to infect and die off due to herd immunity.
The vulnerable aren't at risk, the NHS isn't at risk. The economy is. Livelihoods are. Lives are from that.
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So much for getting an advantage from the vaccine rollout.
I just don't see how it is possibly credible that another wave could be as bad as the first or second. So even if a delay is warranted, it surely cannot be on that reasoning.
June 21 will no longer herald a full return to normality after Boris Johnson resigned himself to a delay of up to four weeks in lifting the remaining Covid restrictions.
The Prime Minister will tell the country on Monday that the latest data on the spread of the Indian or delta virus variant means it is too risky to go ahead as planned. A four-week delay would mean pushing the date back to July 19.
It had been hoped that weddings at least would be given a special dispensation after 50,000 couples – many of whom will have cancelled or delayed earlier celebrations – booked ceremonies for the four weeks following what had been billed as "freedom day".
But senior government sources said that while Mr Johnson might increase the current 30-person limit at weddings, restrictions on numbers would have to remain after officials from Matt Hancock's health department warned that they could become "super-spreader" events.
Lilico, one of the more sober analysts, reckons there will be 125K cases a week by then. But only 6K hospitalisations.
Enough to justify throwing the economy and livelihoods under the bus even more?
Absolutely farcical.
The virus is burning out the low-hanging fruit left now which aren't especially vulnerable. It will burn out the pockets where there isn't immunity then run out of people to infect and die off due to herd immunity.
The vulnerable aren't at risk, the NHS isn't at risk. The economy is. Livelihoods are. Lives are from that.
I have a doctor friend. He is an oncologist, so not an epidemiologist, so not an expert like yourself, but he is very concerned for Autumn and Winter, and is unconvinced there won't be significant hospitalisations on the back of the Delta variant and future variants.
Lilico, one of the more sober analysts, reckons there will be 125K cases a week by then. But only 6K hospitalisations.
Enough to justify throwing the economy and livelihoods under the bus even more?
Absolutely farcical.
The virus is burning out the low-hanging fruit left now which aren't especially vulnerable. It will burn out the pockets where there isn't immunity then run out of people to infect and die off due to herd immunity.
The vulnerable aren't at risk, the NHS isn't at risk. The economy is. Livelihoods are. Lives are from that.
Remember from here on in, whatever you think about what went before, all the suffering that we're going to have to go through is absolutely, 100%, the fault of the Prime Minister and the Conservative Party. All of it.
I mean, some of us will also blame the scientists in our more despairing moments, but ultimately they don't wield the executive power. The Government does.
The endless punishments. Distancing, masks, restrictions, petty bureaucratic bullying, for years. The business failures. The total despair that it will never end. And it may indeed never, ever end. All Boris Johnson. All his fault.
At what point does Sunak turn around and say 'I'm sorry boss, I can't print any more money for this.'???
Lilico, one of the more sober analysts, reckons there will be 125K cases a week by then. But only 6K hospitalisations.
Enough to justify throwing the economy and livelihoods under the bus even more?
On the other hand, 125k with Covid is a lot of folk off work. And plenty more disincentivised to go out and spend. Both of which also affect jobs and livelihoods.
That takes us back to the old flu pandemic plan, which revolved around how to keep things going while large fractions of the population were off work ill (but not so ill that the NHS would collapse). I remember in February 2020 someone shared a story on here about teams of essential workers in key industries, such as electricity generation, going into isolation together, so that key infrastructure could be kept up while much of the country became ill.
June 21 will no longer herald a full return to normality after Boris Johnson resigned himself to a delay of up to four weeks in lifting the remaining Covid restrictions.
The Prime Minister will tell the country on Monday that the latest data on the spread of the Indian or delta virus variant means it is too risky to go ahead as planned. A four-week delay would mean pushing the date back to July 19.
It had been hoped that weddings at least would be given a special dispensation after 50,000 couples – many of whom will have cancelled or delayed earlier celebrations – booked ceremonies for the four weeks following what had been billed as "freedom day".
But senior government sources said that while Mr Johnson might increase the current 30-person limit at weddings, restrictions on numbers would have to remain after officials from Matt Hancock's health department warned that they could become "super-spreader" events.
BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 3h Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
The Government deserves to be strung up by the unmentionables. If the Opposition can't make political capital out of this disaster, then so do they.
Remember the public are highly risk averse so a delay may actually be popular
They deserve death.
EDIT: I've just had it with this. I'm absolutely done. Sick of suffering for the sake of other people's fear. Fuck em. Fuck em all.
I'm with you mate. Honestly if Boris Johnson got hit by the Presidential motorcade the country would be better off. He's completely incapable of making any decisions. We need strong leadership at this point to see if the scientists and theirzero COVID permanent lockdown agenda. Boris isn't that person.
Sarah Haywood, of the industry body UK Weddings Taskforce, said wedding businesses would "collapse" as the result of a delay because "we have reached the end of the runway".
She said more than 50,000 weddings were booked for the four weeks after June 21, as ministers had repeatedly reassured the public that restrictions would end on that date, adding: "In every single meeting with Government, they said they were on track for unrestricted reopening, and when we pressed them for a contingency plan they wouldn't discuss it."
Ms Haywood said 30,000 couples had already paid for their weddings in full and wedding firms would now be left having to refund at least some of that money as the Government had made it clear compensation would not be available.
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Case numbers are rising, hospital admissions are rising, and all that the government is worried about is when to ease restrictions, thereby accelerating the rate of growth. Instead, they should be taking action now to get R below 1, such as taking us back a step and closing the pubs and eateries again.
BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 3h Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
Lots of people on PB sanguine about (endless) delays to being able to live what 20 months ago would be considered the absolute basics of human life.
Funny old world.
To be fair my wife and I (81 and 77) are comfortable with a nice home, south facing garden, views over the Irish sea to the front and the mountains to the rear, and have our family close by apart from our eldest son and his wife in Vancouver
Every day we thank the 'Good Lord' for all our blessings, and have no need to even leave our home having travelled the four corners of the world over decades and fulfilled our bucket lists many times over
It is therefore easy for us to remain in lockdown for as long as necessary, but it would be totally selfish not to understand that lockdown needs to go as soon as possible and there must come a time when the scientists are put back in their box and ordinary folk allowed to get on with their lives
June 21 will no longer herald a full return to normality after Boris Johnson resigned himself to a delay of up to four weeks in lifting the remaining Covid restrictions.
The Prime Minister will tell the country on Monday that the latest data on the spread of the Indian or delta virus variant means it is too risky to go ahead as planned. A four-week delay would mean pushing the date back to July 19.
It had been hoped that weddings at least would be given a special dispensation after 50,000 couples – many of whom will have cancelled or delayed earlier celebrations – booked ceremonies for the four weeks following what had been billed as "freedom day".
But senior government sources said that while Mr Johnson might increase the current 30-person limit at weddings, restrictions on numbers would have to remain after officials from Matt Hancock's health department warned that they could become "super-spreader" events.
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Well this going to help hospitality, I mean Wimbledon is the be all and end all right?
The Treasury is so far refusing to extend the business rates freeze for the hospitality and leisure sector which ends on July 1, arguing that enough support is already in place.
One concession confirmed by the Government was that Wimbledon would be allowed to open with a capacity of 50 per cent – up from 25 per cent – when the world's most famous tennis tournament begins on June 28.
Lilico, one of the more sober analysts, reckons there will be 125K cases a week by then. But only 6K hospitalisations.
Enough to justify throwing the economy and livelihoods under the bus even more?
Absolutely farcical.
The virus is burning out the low-hanging fruit left now which aren't especially vulnerable. It will burn out the pockets where there isn't immunity then run out of people to infect and die off due to herd immunity.
The vulnerable aren't at risk, the NHS isn't at risk. The economy is. Livelihoods are. Lives are from that.
So according to that story they aren’t even going to lift the rules on weddings. I hope that’s wrong.
As I said I think they are flying a kite with that one. Cue crying couples. OK weddings are exempt. A grateful nation gives the caring Conservatives a 20 point plus lead.
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So much for getting an advantage from the vaccine rollout.
I just don't see how it is possibly credible that another wave could be as bad as the first or second. So even if a delay is warranted, it surely cannot be on that reasoning.
University of Warwick models have consistently come up with unrealistic predictions...3000+ a day deaths. Lockdown for 2 weeks, save 100k extra lives over 3 months.
BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 3h Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
The Government deserves to be strung up by the unmentionables. If the Opposition can't make political capital out of this disaster, then so do they.
Remember the public are highly risk averse so a delay may actually be popular
They deserve death.
EDIT: I've just had it with this. I'm absolutely done. Sick of suffering for the sake of other people's fear. Fuck em. Fuck em all.
I'm with you mate. Honestly if Boris Johnson got hit by the Presidential motorcade the country would be better off. He's completely incapable of making any decisions. We need strong leadership at this point to see if the scientists and theirzero COVID permanent lockdown agenda. Boris isn't that person.
I've been a fan of Boris until now, but he's losing my respect: fast.
BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 3h Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
The Government deserves to be strung up by the unmentionables. If the Opposition can't make political capital out of this disaster, then so do they.
"We're going to end up in another lockdown, aren't we? And it'll last until next Spring, won't it? Oh Christ."
That would be my prediction now. The power is draining away from Johnson to SAGE every day over unlocking as we get closer to the seasonal uptick & back to school in September.
Starmer needs to blast them every hour every day over Indian for the next month or so. This is all down to Johnson.
June 21 will no longer herald a full return to normality after Boris Johnson resigned himself to a delay of up to four weeks in lifting the remaining Covid restrictions.
The Prime Minister will tell the country on Monday that the latest data on the spread of the Indian or delta virus variant means it is too risky to go ahead as planned. A four-week delay would mean pushing the date back to July 19.
It had been hoped that weddings at least would be given a special dispensation after 50,000 couples – many of whom will have cancelled or delayed earlier celebrations – booked ceremonies for the four weeks following what had been billed as "freedom day".
But senior government sources said that while Mr Johnson might increase the current 30-person limit at weddings, restrictions on numbers would have to remain after officials from Matt Hancock's health department warned that they could become "super-spreader" events.
Case numbers are rising, hospital admissions are rising, and all that the government is worried about is when to ease restrictions, thereby accelerating the rate of growth. Instead, they should be taking action now to get R below 1, such as taking us back a step and closing the pubs and eateries again.
And delay the exit wave until the autumn?
But that's their reason to keep everyone locked up for the autumn winter and take us through to March 2022. The scientists will never give us our freedom back and the politicians are too weak to fuck them off. It's going to take Steve Baker and Charles Walker to get us out of this. We need the 1922 and Tory MPs to step up and tell Boris this isn't happening or he faces a leadership challenge from someone who will get rid of the restrictions.
BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 3h Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
The Government deserves to be strung up by the unmentionables. If the Opposition can't make political capital out of this disaster, then so do they.
Remember the public are highly risk averse so a delay may actually be popular
They deserve death.
EDIT: I've just had it with this. I'm absolutely done. Sick of suffering for the sake of other people's fear. Fuck em. Fuck em all.
I'm with you mate. Honestly if Boris Johnson got hit by the Presidential motorcade the country would be better off. He's completely incapable of making any decisions. We need strong leadership at this point to see if the scientists and theirzero COVID permanent lockdown agenda. Boris isn't that person.
I said to my friend in Canada on the phone at some point, I think, after the Christmas debacle that I wish Johnson had died last Spring, and felt guilty afterwards for thinking that of anybody.
None of this matters. Folk will bitch and moan and keep putting the X in the Tory box. Because trans people or statues or some such.
Sadly you are right. We are left with nothing but the forlorn hope that the next delay isn't followed by an infinity of other ones, probably accompanied by a progressive collapse back into another immensely long lockdown.
Would you trust the Government not to do that to us? Would anyone?
fpt about SKS being doomed because he is a remainer.
Not to say he isn't and I've no idea after the bollocks that the EU indulged in over the vaccines/Ireland, etc what the overall public view is, but do we expect every politician to fall in behind the policies of the winner of the election they've just lost?
Should Lab win in 2024 (don't laugh) will the Cons adopt all the Lab policies because the public has spoken?
Not just because he was a Remainer, but because he actively tried to overturn the referendum result when he was Labour’s Brexit Sec. Politicians who campaigned for Remain but accepted the result and voted to enable Brexit rather than refusing to have it are a different kettle of fish
If he campaigned to do that presumably that was because he believed there was a constituency which was receptive to that. Not a large enough one, it turned out, but as a political strategy it is perfectly rational, if unsuccessful to date.
Yeah he can do what he likes, but I think him doing so is a big reason he’s polling the same as Corbyn personally, and his party worse than Jez’s worst election/losing safe Labour seats in by elections
If it's his Remainerdom that's the problem how come his polling used to be quite good?
Well almost half the country did vote Remain so he was entitled to get an easy ride at the start in polls. But in the Red Wall Leave seats he is doomed. And at 65% of constituencies voted Leave, he is double doomed
Then, add in the fact he is dull as ditchwater, and it’s triple doomage!
It's the Remain point that doesn't make sense. He was polling well generally as recently as 6 months ago. Have Leavers suddenly noticed that he used to be an arch Remainer? I know they're not the most astute of units but, no, this seems unlikely.
It does make sense, because he was doomed even when he was polling better than he is now, due to 65% of constituencies voting leave, and him being the arch Remainer responsible for the ‘people’s vote’ and the loss of the Red Wall.
In a nutshell, I doubt it was Leave voters responsible for his previously good polling
He was polling quite well generally. Across all the main divides and metrics.
Was he? I didn’t know that. I will obviously check and confirm/dispute
In his first Opinium poll he scored
51-4 with Remainers 22-13 with Leavers
Latest Opinium
36-35 with Remainers 17-53 with Leavers
Losing popularity pretty evenly really
Yep. Therefore the problem is not that he's a Remainer. There's no change there. He was. He is.
The slump is due to other stuff. Pandemic. Vaccines. Being dull compared to the MMM. Not opposing enough. Whatever.
This is my point.
Oh yes, I agree - the SLUMP is due to other stuff. My point was that he was doomed with Leavers from the off
But that's not what the data says. His composite ratings 6 months ago were good enough to contend. He doesn't need to win the Leave demos for that. He just needs to be not in the toilet with them. Which he is now. But he wasn't. And that delta is not explained by him being a high profile Remainer. This is my precise and only point.
Where is the data that says he was ever popular with Leavers? He has taken Labour backwards in Hartlepool, why would that be?
Wouldn't Labour be better off with a leader that wasn't written off at first sight by Leave voters, given they aren't going to campaign to rejoin?
He wasn't popular with Leavers but he was popular enough with them - or rather not sufficiently unpopular - to be right in the game for potential PM. This was the position 6 months ago. Since then he's cratered. Not with any particular group but with all groups. It's an across the board slump and it's taken him (as we speak) out of the game. That he's a Ref2 Remainer does not, cannot, explain this because there's been no change there. He was a Ref2 Remainer 6 months ago. He's a Ref2 Remainer now.
Conclusion?
Your frequent assertion that his Remainerdom is a major factor in his very low, out-of-the-game ratings does not stack up. It's not the case. It's fallen off its perch. It's an ex assertion.
June 21 will no longer herald a full return to normality after Boris Johnson resigned himself to a delay of up to four weeks in lifting the remaining Covid restrictions.
The Prime Minister will tell the country on Monday that the latest data on the spread of the Indian or delta virus variant means it is too risky to go ahead as planned. A four-week delay would mean pushing the date back to July 19.
It had been hoped that weddings at least would be given a special dispensation after 50,000 couples – many of whom will have cancelled or delayed earlier celebrations – booked ceremonies for the four weeks following what had been billed as "freedom day".
But senior government sources said that while Mr Johnson might increase the current 30-person limit at weddings, restrictions on numbers would have to remain after officials from Matt Hancock's health department warned that they could become "super-spreader" events.
Is it 4 weeks or up to 4 weeks? They are not the same (not necessarily at any rate, I'm sure it will become a 'not before' once more).
It is going to be no more than four weeks according to the Telegraph.
But that makes no sense either, since if you are saying the data means you have to lock down they cannot guarantee they might not have to do so again if another variant emerges.
The contrarians were wrong about things in the midst of crisis, but there just isn't the justification for things now that there was before - never mind power grabs if we're too frit to open in the summer with current figures how can they justify opening in the autumn and winter? Vaccination rate being a little better? That doesn't wash, since we've got boosters to come.
BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 3h Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
The Government deserves to be strung up by the unmentionables. If the Opposition can't make political capital out of this disaster, then so do they.
Remember the public are highly risk averse so a delay may actually be popular
They deserve death.
EDIT: I've just had it with this. I'm absolutely done. Sick of suffering for the sake of other people's fear. Fuck em. Fuck em all.
I'm with you mate. Honestly if Boris Johnson got hit by the Presidential motorcade the country would be better off. He's completely incapable of making any decisions. We need strong leadership at this point to see if the scientists and theirzero COVID permanent lockdown agenda. Boris isn't that person.
I've been a fan of Boris until now, but he's losing my respect: fast.
He's gone native.
That vaccine 'bounce' looks a bloody joke now doesn't it?
Thrown under a bus by Johnson for the sake of a visit to India that didn't even happen.
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Case numbers are rising, hospital admissions are rising, and all that the government is worried about is when to ease restrictions, thereby accelerating the rate of growth. Instead, they should be taking action now to get R below 1, such as taking us back a step and closing the pubs and eateries again.
If we're going for Zero Covid then we might as well commit mass suicide and get it over with.
BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 3h Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
The Government deserves to be strung up by the unmentionables. If the Opposition can't make political capital out of this disaster, then so do they.
Remember the public are highly risk averse so a delay may actually be popular
They deserve death.
EDIT: I've just had it with this. I'm absolutely done. Sick of suffering for the sake of other people's fear. Fuck em. Fuck em all.
I'm with you mate. Honestly if Boris Johnson got hit by the Presidential motorcade the country would be better off. He's completely incapable of making any decisions. We need strong leadership at this point to see if the scientists and theirzero COVID permanent lockdown agenda. Boris isn't that person.
I've been a fan of Boris until now, but he's losing my respect: fast.
He's gone native.
It't not going native - he knows he's acted too late previously, or that a lot of people think that, and he doesn't want to take a risk of being accused of it again, and so is not weighing the costs reasonably.
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If the NHS is going to collapse that matters, but that's not going to happen.
I know that. You know that. But. They matter politically. Case numbers have led the news for over a year. They are what the average person thinks of first and foremost. If cases don't matter why doesn't the PM say they don't?
Case numbers are rising, hospital admissions are rising, and all that the government is worried about is when to ease restrictions, thereby accelerating the rate of growth. Instead, they should be taking action now to get R below 1, such as taking us back a step and closing the pubs and eateries again.
And delay the exit wave until the autumn?
But that's their reason to keep everyone locked up for the autumn winter and take us through to March 2022. The scientists will never give us our freedom back and the politicians are too weak to fuck them off. It's going to take Steve Baker and Charles Walker to get us out of this. We need the 1922 and Tory MPs to step up and tell Boris this isn't happening or he faces a leadership challenge from someone who will get rid of the restrictions.
I think that has to be it. The f*ckers will never let us go, otherwise.
Adam Brooks @EssexPR · 2h Many businesses are back on full rent, but still at reduced capacities, their bounce back loan payments have now started. Many in Hospitality sold tickets to events after June 21st, many have stocked up and staffed for it.
BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 3h Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
Lots of people on PB sanguine about (endless) delays to being able to live what 20 months ago would be considered the absolute basics of human life.
Funny old world.
To be fair my wife and I (81 and 77) are comfortable with a nice home, south facing garden, views over the Irish sea to the front and the mountains to the rear, and have our family close by apart from our eldest son and his wife in Vancouver
Every day we thank the 'Good Lord' for all our blessings, and have no need to even leave our home having travelled the four corners of the world over decades and fulfilled our bucket lists many times over
It is therefore easy for us to remain in lockdown for as long as necessary, but it would be totally selfish not to understand that lockdown needs to go as soon as possible and there must come a time when the scientists are put back in their box and ordinary folk allowed to get on with their lives
When? 2035? 2756? The Heat Death of the Universe?
When you begin to wonder if it would've got this bad under Jeremy Corbyn (answer: most likely yes) then you know things are getting desperate.
Lilico, one of the more sober analysts, reckons there will be 125K cases a week by then. But only 6K hospitalisations.
Enough to justify throwing the economy and livelihoods under the bus even more?
Absolutely farcical.
The virus is burning out the low-hanging fruit left now which aren't especially vulnerable. It will burn out the pockets where there isn't immunity then run out of people to infect and die off due to herd immunity.
The vulnerable aren't at risk, the NHS isn't at risk. The economy is. Livelihoods are. Lives are from that.
Remember from here on in, whatever you think about what went before, all the suffering that we're going to have to go through is absolutely, 100%, the fault of the Prime Minister and the Conservative Party. All of it.
I mean, some of us will also blame the scientists in our more despairing moments, but ultimately they don't wield the executive power. The Government does.
The endless punishments. Distancing, masks, restrictions, petty bureaucratic bullying, for years. The business failures. The total despair that it will never end. And it may indeed never, ever end. All Boris Johnson. All his fault.
At what point does Sunak turn around and say 'I'm sorry boss, I can't print any more money for this.'???
Quit like his old boss and end up in the wilderness without even a committee chairmanship like Hunt? Seems unlikely.
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So much for getting an advantage from the vaccine rollout.
I just don't see how it is possibly credible that another wave could be as bad as the first or second. So even if a delay is warranted, it surely cannot be on that reasoning.
It makes you wonder what is the point of vaccination, if the people advising the government are telling them it's ineffectual.
BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 3h Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
The Government deserves to be strung up by the unmentionables. If the Opposition can't make political capital out of this disaster, then so do they.
Remember the public are highly risk averse so a delay may actually be popular
They deserve death.
EDIT: I've just had it with this. I'm absolutely done. Sick of suffering for the sake of other people's fear. Fuck em. Fuck em all.
I'm with you mate. Honestly if Boris Johnson got hit by the Presidential motorcade the country would be better off. He's completely incapable of making any decisions. We need strong leadership at this point to see if the scientists and theirzero COVID permanent lockdown agenda. Boris isn't that person.
As a matter of interest do you think Starmer, Sturgeon or Drakeford would be any different
June 21 will no longer herald a full return to normality after Boris Johnson resigned himself to a delay of up to four weeks in lifting the remaining Covid restrictions.
The Prime Minister will tell the country on Monday that the latest data on the spread of the Indian or delta virus variant means it is too risky to go ahead as planned. A four-week delay would mean pushing the date back to July 19.
It had been hoped that weddings at least would be given a special dispensation after 50,000 couples – many of whom will have cancelled or delayed earlier celebrations – booked ceremonies for the four weeks following what had been billed as "freedom day".
But senior government sources said that while Mr Johnson might increase the current 30-person limit at weddings, restrictions on numbers would have to remain after officials from Matt Hancock's health department warned that they could become "super-spreader" events.
Is it 4 weeks or up to 4 weeks? They are not the same (not necessarily at any rate, I'm sure it will become a 'not before' once more).
It is going to be no more than four weeks according to the Telegraph.
I'll stick with my previous remarks on this one. If Johnson comes out in front of 10 Downing St, announces a date for the end of the restrictions and says that it is cast-iron, immovable and will happen irrespective of the virus, then I'll believe him this one time.
But he won't, so it's obviously a lie. Like everything else that comes out of his mouth.
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Case numbers are rising, hospital admissions are rising, and all that the government is worried about is when to ease restrictions, thereby accelerating the rate of growth. Instead, they should be taking action now to get R below 1, such as taking us back a step and closing the pubs and eateries again.
People have tolerated horrendous measures as a necessity for a lot longer than I thought possible, and I am sure they will continue to do so now as people are used to it, but Boris needs to be very convincing when he announces this. Saying it would have been as bad as other waves won't cut it, since that requires us to believe the last 5 months of vaccination was pointless, but other reasonings lack the initial justification of overwhelming the system.
I don't know how he can be persuasive on the reasoning, and while departing from scientific advice is always a risky move for a politician in these events, he cannot act like they are making the decision and he is just reporting it.
BREAKING: The British Medical Association is calling for a delay to the easing of all remaining lockdown restrictions in England due to case numbers ‘rising rapidly’.
They were also against the 12 week vaccination strategy.
Mood music is definitely against reopening properly. For Boris's calculation will it be more or less popular to hold off now? Sadly I think it will be more popular.
Might be more popular amongst pensioners and the wfh types in leafy surrey. Will definitely not be popular amongst business owners and the young by which i mean anyone under 30 to 35
This from Labour:
Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said delaying the easing of lockdown would be a huge blow for families and businesses, and said ministers were at fault.
He said: “Despite warnings from Labour, Sage and others they continued with a reckless border policy that allowed the Delta variant to reach the UK and spread. Now the British people look set to have to pay the price.”
Now, if Starmer were to stop wibbling on about trans self-identification and hammer on about this, and nothing but this, for the next solid month then he might finally make a dent in the Government's seemingly impregnable polling position. You would hope so. Johnson and the rest of his bloody idiots deserve to pay a price for this. But I bet they won't.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 3h Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
The Government deserves to be strung up by the unmentionables. If the Opposition can't make political capital out of this disaster, then so do they.
Remember the public are highly risk averse so a delay may actually be popular
They deserve death.
EDIT: I've just had it with this. I'm absolutely done. Sick of suffering for the sake of other people's fear. Fuck em. Fuck em all.
I'm with you mate. Honestly if Boris Johnson got hit by the Presidential motorcade the country would be better off. He's completely incapable of making any decisions. We need strong leadership at this point to see if the scientists and theirzero COVID permanent lockdown agenda. Boris isn't that person.
As a matter of interest do you think Starmer, Sturgeon or Drakeford would be any different
Rishi wouldn't be so easily led by the scientists. I really don't give a toss what happens in Scotland and Wales, that's up to the Welsh and Scottish respectively to deal with.
Your defence of Boris is just laughable. All he can see is tomorrow's poll.
Case numbers are rising, hospital admissions are rising, and all that the government is worried about is when to ease restrictions, thereby accelerating the rate of growth. Instead, they should be taking action now to get R below 1, such as taking us back a step and closing the pubs and eateries again.
And delay the exit wave until the autumn?
But that's their reason to keep everyone locked up for the autumn winter and take us through to March 2022. The scientists will never give us our freedom back and the politicians are too weak to fuck them off. It's going to take Steve Baker and Charles Walker to get us out of this. We need the 1922 and Tory MPs to step up and tell Boris this isn't happening or he faces a leadership challenge from someone who will get rid of the restrictions.
I hope Labour will back the rebellion. But I’m not holding out much hope.
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Hospitalisations do and in your neck of the woods they are not looking too clever
Oh really? 🤔
There was over 4k in hospital in the Northwest in the peak, there's currently 271.
There were hundreds in hospital in Warrington in the peak, there's currently 3. Not 300, 3. Liverpool University Hospitals had over 500 in the peak, there's currently 9. Wirral University Teaching Hospital had nearly 300 in the peak, there's currently 3.
Single digits in hospital Trusts when it was hundreds in hospital most of the pandemic is not awful.
Lilico, one of the more sober analysts, reckons there will be 125K cases a week by then. But only 6K hospitalisations.
Enough to justify throwing the economy and livelihoods under the bus even more?
Absolutely farcical.
The virus is burning out the low-hanging fruit left now which aren't especially vulnerable. It will burn out the pockets where there isn't immunity then run out of people to infect and die off due to herd immunity.
The vulnerable aren't at risk, the NHS isn't at risk. The economy is. Livelihoods are. Lives are from that.
So according to that story they aren’t even going to lift the rules on weddings. I hope that’s wrong.
As I said I think they are flying a kite with that one. Cue crying couples. OK weddings are exempt. A grateful nation gives the caring Conservatives a 20 point plus lead.
Yes, that’s a fair shout. Suddenly tearful-cum-joyful brides embrace Boris and Hancock Half Hour in relief.
Apart from toning down the expletives a notch, my view is this:
Why am I wearing a mask?
I'm doubly vaccinated, second vaccine two weeks ago. On all the scientific evidence that I've seen, not only am I unlikely to contract coronavirus but it's unlikely to be severe and in addition even if I do have coronavirus asymptomatically, being doubly vaccinated makes it much less likely I can transmit it to someone who is unvaccinated.
Why am I wearing a mask?
It's a legal requirement and I think the law should be obeyed - we don't get to pick and choose what laws we obey or if we do we accept a sanction that comes if we are caught.
If someone who is unvaccinated or is awaiting their second vaccination wants to wear a mask and take precautions, I respect that and accept that. Everyone has the right to be as risk averse as they wish and there shouldn't and mustn't be peer group or social pressure or bullying or abuse against those who want to take some precautions.
It is now time to end the mandatory wearing of masks in indoor spaces and on public transport. Social distancing should also be eased while again respecting those who wish to maintain personal distancing and precautions.
We should also be prepared for the autumn and winter and keep monitoring vaccine efficacy levels to see who might need a booster vaccination later in the year.
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O'Connor said so far the UK's offers had fallen "well short" of New Zealand's expectations and while he wanted to make progress, he would not sacrifice quality for speed.
He said the United Kingdom was under pressure to secure free trade agreements post-Brexit.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/444555/trade-minister-expects-commercially-meaningful-deal-with-uk
And that is a very awkward size of development - big enough to trigger all the charges, but small enough that not too many people would take it on.
It's quite possible that your best way would be to get outline, and sell off individual plots with PP to self-builders.
Budget 80-100k to do the work to get PP, and be ready to write off all of it if you lose. And take lots of advice, which I am sure you will do. Tax strategy is really important.
On a serious note, just got back from Greece.
Beaches and hotels are empty. Not a bit empty - empty. For the second year running.
Fishing boats are out of the water, no one is planting local crops. Hospitals are full.
You can avoid reality, but not for long...
https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1403412610129797120
Ludicrous
Quality goal.
Quality team, to be fair
It's high time we had an Opposition capable of applying some actual pressure to the fool. If we're really lucky his polling lead will go altogether and the Tory Party will take fright and defenestrate him. Preferably from the top of the Shard.
Enough to justify throwing the economy and livelihoods under the bus even more?
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Maybe letting 20,000 people in from India without enforcing self-isolation at a time when we couldn't see our own families wasn't such a good idea after all.
(Macron is out of the country)
Goods made up 70% of New Zealand goods and services exports and were valued at $53.6 billion in the year ending December 2017. For our major primary sectors – meat, dairy, fisheries, wine, forestry and some horticulture products – between about 70 percent and 95 percent of the output they produce is exported. Without trade, between 70 and 95 percent of those industries in New Zealand would simply not exist. The impact on Māori and the regions would be especially acute.
So good hard dialogue required.
You are of course correct to blame the opposition if it was Labour who allowed the importation of the Delta variant through their piss poor travel policy, which will inevitably lead to negative lockdown issues.
I have plenty of friends who are far to the right of me on economic issues but are socially liberal. But cultural rightwingers I view as fundamentally a threat to the safety and happiness of people I care about.
Federer is still the best, mind.
The virus is burning out the low-hanging fruit left now which aren't especially vulnerable. It will burn out the pockets where there isn't immunity then run out of people to infect and die off due to herd immunity.
The vulnerable aren't at risk, the NHS isn't at risk. The economy is. Livelihoods are. Lives are from that.
And plenty more disincentivised to go out and spend.
Both of which also affect jobs and livelihoods.
@PoliticsForAlI
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Funny old world.
4 weeks buys us nothing.
I mean, some of us will also blame the scientists in our more despairing moments, but ultimately they don't wield the executive power. The Government does.
The endless punishments. Distancing, masks, restrictions, petty bureaucratic bullying, for years. The business failures. The total despair that it will never end. And it may indeed never, ever end. All Boris Johnson. All his fault.
Case numbers are rising, hospital admissions are rising, and all that the government is worried about is when to ease restrictions, thereby accelerating the rate of growth. Instead, they should be taking action now to get R below 1, such as taking us back a step and closing the pubs and eateries again.
A kite?
EDIT: I've just had it with this. I'm absolutely done. Sick of suffering for the sake of other people's fear. Fuck em. Fuck em all.
Yeh, right Mr Johnson.
The step 4 lifting will not happen this year now. By late July it will be too close to the 'back to school' and seasonal uptick in cases and so we had better carry on and see what happens in September/October.
I just don't see how it is possibly credible that another wave could be as bad as the first or second. So even if a delay is warranted, it surely cannot be on that reasoning.
June 21 will no longer herald a full return to normality after Boris Johnson resigned himself to a delay of up to four weeks in lifting the remaining Covid restrictions.
The Prime Minister will tell the country on Monday that the latest data on the spread of the Indian or delta virus variant means it is too risky to go ahead as planned. A four-week delay would mean pushing the date back to July 19.
It had been hoped that weddings at least would be given a special dispensation after 50,000 couples – many of whom will have cancelled or delayed earlier celebrations – booked ceremonies for the four weeks following what had been billed as "freedom day".
But senior government sources said that while Mr Johnson might increase the current 30-person limit at weddings, restrictions on numbers would have to remain after officials from Matt Hancock's health department warned that they could become "super-spreader" events.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/06/11/june-21-lockdown-lifting-called/
Because trans people or statues or some such.
The vaccines mean you can go back to that plan.
She said more than 50,000 weddings were booked for the four weeks after June 21, as ministers had repeatedly reassured the public that restrictions would end on that date, adding: "In every single meeting with Government, they said they were on track for unrestricted reopening, and when we pressed them for a contingency plan they wouldn't discuss it."
Ms Haywood said 30,000 couples had already paid for their weddings in full and wedding firms would now be left having to refund at least some of that money as the Government had made it clear compensation would not be available.
I think 2 weeks and people would say still got the school holidays.
If the NHS is going to collapse that matters, but that's not going to happen.
Every day we thank the 'Good Lord' for all our blessings, and have no need to even leave our home having travelled the four corners of the world over decades and fulfilled our bucket lists many times over
It is therefore easy for us to remain in lockdown for as long as necessary, but it would be totally selfish not to understand that lockdown needs to go as soon as possible and there must come a time when the scientists are put back in their box and ordinary folk allowed to get on with their lives
The Treasury is so far refusing to extend the business rates freeze for the hospitality and leisure sector which ends on July 1, arguing that enough support is already in place.
One concession confirmed by the Government was that Wimbledon would be allowed to open with a capacity of 50 per cent – up from 25 per cent – when the world's most famous tennis tournament begins on June 28.
Cue crying couples. OK weddings are exempt. A grateful nation gives the caring Conservatives a 20 point plus lead.
He's gone native.
That would be my prediction now. The power is draining away from Johnson to SAGE every day over unlocking as we get closer to the seasonal uptick & back to school in September.
Starmer needs to blast them every hour every day over Indian for the next month or so. This is all down to Johnson.
I was probably too hard on myself. Sadly you are right. We are left with nothing but the forlorn hope that the next delay isn't followed by an infinity of other ones, probably accompanied by a progressive collapse back into another immensely long lockdown.
Would you trust the Government not to do that to us? Would anyone?
We're finished. Done.
Conclusion?
Your frequent assertion that his Remainerdom is a major factor in his very low, out-of-the-game ratings does not stack up. It's not the case. It's fallen off its perch. It's an ex assertion.
The contrarians were wrong about things in the midst of crisis, but there just isn't the justification for things now that there was before - never mind power grabs if we're too frit to open in the summer with current figures how can they justify opening in the autumn and winter? Vaccination rate being a little better? That doesn't wash, since we've got boosters to come.
That vaccine 'bounce' looks a bloody joke now doesn't it?
Thrown under a bus by Johnson for the sake of a visit to India that didn't even happen.
One of my sons school friends has just done that
If cases don't matter why doesn't the PM say they don't?
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Adam Brooks
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Retweet for a large sample please, this is a question for individuals NOT businesses.
Q. Will you continue to comply with social distancing, masks & other restrictions imposed by The Government , after June 21st?
Adam Brooks
@EssexPR
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Many businesses are back on full rent, but still at reduced capacities, their bounce back loan payments have now started.
Many in Hospitality sold tickets to events after June 21st, many have stocked up and staffed for it.
Many are now finished for good.
SLOW CLAP
@GOVUK
When you begin to wonder if it would've got this bad under Jeremy Corbyn (answer: most likely yes) then you know things are getting desperate.
NEW THREAD
But he won't, so it's obviously a lie. Like everything else that comes out of his mouth.
Politics.
My bride-to-be friend has been in touch and now thinks the government will block her wedding after all.
With a few days’ notice.
After she has paid her full deposit.
She cannot rebook.
FFS.
I don't know how he can be persuasive on the reasoning, and while departing from scientific advice is always a risky move for a politician in these events, he cannot act like they are making the decision and he is just reporting it.
Your defence of Boris is just laughable. All he can see is tomorrow's poll.
There was over 4k in hospital in the Northwest in the peak, there's currently 271.
There were hundreds in hospital in Warrington in the peak, there's currently 3. Not 300, 3.
Liverpool University Hospitals had over 500 in the peak, there's currently 9.
Wirral University Teaching Hospital had nearly 300 in the peak, there's currently 3.
Single digits in hospital Trusts when it was hundreds in hospital most of the pandemic is not awful.
More effing nudge from these charlatans.
Why am I wearing a mask?
I'm doubly vaccinated, second vaccine two weeks ago. On all the scientific evidence that I've seen, not only am I unlikely to contract coronavirus but it's unlikely to be severe and in addition even if I do have coronavirus asymptomatically, being doubly vaccinated makes it much less likely I can transmit it to someone who is unvaccinated.
Why am I wearing a mask?
It's a legal requirement and I think the law should be obeyed - we don't get to pick and choose what laws we obey or if we do we accept a sanction that comes if we are caught.
If someone who is unvaccinated or is awaiting their second vaccination wants to wear a mask and take precautions, I respect that and accept that. Everyone has the right to be as risk averse as they wish and there shouldn't and mustn't be peer group or social pressure or bullying or abuse against those who want to take some precautions.
It is now time to end the mandatory wearing of masks in indoor spaces and on public transport. Social distancing should also be eased while again respecting those who wish to maintain personal distancing and precautions.
We should also be prepared for the autumn and winter and keep monitoring vaccine efficacy levels to see who might need a booster vaccination later in the year.