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  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    People saying "no earlier than" 17 May, or "hopefully" 17 May, or anything along those lines at this stage is the same sort of polite fiction as telling children that "hopefully" they'll be on the nice list at Christmas.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Taz said:

    Stocky said:

    Whilst I'm not predicting that SKS is going anywhere soon, long shots to replace Starmer one day assuming Labour want the best chance to win a GE which involves getting red wall back:

    - Male (just saying)
    - Northern
    - Charisma
    - Can you close your eyes and imagine him at door of No 10?
    - Intelligent enough
    - Voted Leave (or at least clearly expressed support for honouring the result)
    - Patriotic enough
    - Not regarded as a strong left winger

    Hmm. John Mann or Dan Jarvis. The former is (sadly) no longer an MP and Jarvis is available at 50/1.

    Starmer:

    - Male (slightly effete)
    - Southern (very London)
    - No charisma
    - Yes, he could do the job well (not the politics - he'd be like a Labour Theresa May)
    - Remainer (big time.. let's be honest)
    - Patriotic? A tad - at heart he thinks we should be past that now
    - Moderately left-wing

    Conclusion? He'll get a few extra seats. He'll expunge the far-left. But he won't win.
    Tend to agree, with one caveat.

    If the government continues to muck things up the way they did in 2020, they'll lose, and Starmer will become PM because he's inoffensive and for want of any alternative.

    And with this PM and this cabinet, that can't be ruled out.
    I doubt that will happen as the Tories won’t let it. Johnson will be out if he becomes an electoral liability.
    People can fool themselves, and a liability might only become inarguable after an election.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,328
    edited May 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    You veer all over the place like a shopping trolley on this.

    I've seen you (lucidly) critique white privilege, racial identity, "defund the police" Woke language and terminology, and call them nuts. I've also seen you say it's grossly exaggerated and all made up/fabricated, and suggested we're nuts.

    Conclusion: you see evidence on both sides of the equation and haven't quite made up your mind on what you think about it yet.
    I loathe woke, and I am massively hostile to critical race theory and the like. I think Universities should be actively shutting down departments that promote that kind of psuedoscientific hate.

    But I don't see it as an existential threat to the West. Like "blackboard" and political correctness in the UK in the 1980s, there is a huge amount of exaggeration. People share things that alarm them. And the more alarming they are, the more likely they are to be shared.
    Bewilderingly dim. It’s not random crazy uni departments that ‘need shutting down’. The crazy folk have already won. They’ve taken OVER the universities




    ‘Sorry, Professor, We’re Cutting You Off
    Funding higher education now means subsidizing the political activists who have hijacked it.

    Higher education had a cluster of related purposes in society. Everyone benefited from the new knowledge it developed and the well-informed, thoughtful citizenry it produced. Individual students benefited from the preparation they received for careers in a developed economy. Yet these days, academia has decided that its primary purpose is the promotion of a radical political ideology, to which it gives the sunny label “social justice.”’

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/sorry-prof-were-cutting-you-off-11619974459
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404
    Here is a link to the live count of Madrid.

    https://elpais.com/

    With 60% counted

    PP 64 seats.
    PSOE 25
    MM 24
    Vox 13
    UP 10

    C's wiped out. Right 77 Left 59.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,456
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    On this, you’re an idiot. Sorry
    Of course there is a lot more to it.

    What is Happening maybe overblown by the right wing press and maybe click bait. but there is still A trend there that is seeing people losing jobs and opportunities for not adhering to certain dogma. Especially in further education and the performing arts. I noticed Mary Beard was being attacked on Twitter not for the views she holds but for following ‘TERFS’ on Twitter. James Dreyfus has lost work too simply based in a letter he signed six years ago. Richard Dawkins has been stripped of his humanist of the year award from the nineties for views he recently expressed. It is happening more and more and Will only continue because the people,with power and influence are not the politicians.
    I know for a fact I've been held back from being a reviewer and mentor in my job because I'm a male.

    The HR director told me.

    The basis of the argument was they have a 50:50 split they've achieved (contrived) and because a female resigned from the firm another has to take the spot, and did - who joined 9 months ago.

    I asked five years ago.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,456
    I really really can't compute that YouGov poll showing a late swing to Shaun Bailey.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568

    Been out amongst the voters all day. I gather that Labour look stuffed in Hartlepool?

    According to their own polling return they have kept only 40% of 2019 voters...
    Bloody hell!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635

    I really really can't compute that YouGov poll showing a late swing to Shaun Bailey.

    It's a 2.5% swing from the Tories to Labour since 2016 which makes sense.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,723
    For PB's Liz Truss fans she was taken apart by Julia HB on talkRadio earlier today.

    Why are 67 million still under restrictions when one person died of covid yesterday?

    We don't want to end up reimporting the vaccine.

    You mean the virus?

    Yes, sorry the virus. There are lots of dangerous variants.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    stodge said:

    felix said:

    Currently the municipal map of the Mardid results shows 1 red with most of the rest blue apart frm the undeclared. An interesting contrast to London on Thursday!

    So, will the victorious PP go into coalition with VOX to ensure a majority or will they govern on their own as a minority safe in the knowledge the other parties will never get together? PP seem to have scooped up Citizens votes and seats to build their strong performance.

    It's also worth mentioning PP's performance in Madrid last time was their worst historically in a city in which they have usually done very well - they governed as a majority after the 2007 and 2011 elections so tonight is, in a sense, a return to how the politics of Madrid were 15-20 years ago and previously.

    It's a city where PP has done well even when struggling in other areas of Spain so perhaps not quite as revolutionary as some on here are suggesting.
    When the national governing party is struggling to stay in second place in the country's capital I think it is a big deal. Madrid is back to being a PP stronghold and with Barcelona effectively run by nationalists and the PP also in charge in Andalucia I think the PSOE are in real potential difficulties.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,328

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    On this, you’re an idiot. Sorry
    Of course there is a lot more to it.

    What is Happening maybe overblown by the right wing press and maybe click bait. but there is still A trend there that is seeing people losing jobs and opportunities for not adhering to certain dogma. Especially in further education and the performing arts. I noticed Mary Beard was being attacked on Twitter not for the views she holds but for following ‘TERFS’ on Twitter. James Dreyfus has lost work too simply based in a letter he signed six years ago. Richard Dawkins has been stripped of his humanist of the year award from the nineties for views he recently expressed. It is happening more and more and Will only continue because the people,with power and influence are not the politicians.
    I know for a fact I've been held back from being a reviewer and mentor in my job because I'm a male.

    The HR director told me.

    The basis of the argument was they have a 50:50 split they've achieved (contrived) and because a female resigned from the firm another has to take the spot, and did - who joined 9 months ago.

    I asked five years ago.
    I recall an apparently true story from the BBC. The diversity unit was discussing the make-up of various BBC boards and someone asked ‘so, Jenny, how is the Religious Affairs board doing in terms of equality and diversity?’

    Answer:

    ‘Really really well, we’ve now got 5 women and just 2 men, but we can do even better’

    And no one batted an eyelid
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,964
    edited May 2021
    dixiedean said:

    Here is a link to the live count of Madrid.

    https://elpais.com/

    With 60% counted

    PP 64 seats.
    PSOE 25
    MM 24
    Vox 13
    UP 10

    C's wiped out. Right 77 Left 59.

    Big win for the PP showing the clear benefits saying a firm No to regional nationalist separatists can bring
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,360
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    You veer all over the place like a shopping trolley on this.

    I've seen you (lucidly) critique white privilege, racial identity, "defund the police" Woke language and terminology, and call them nuts. I've also seen you say it's grossly exaggerated and all made up/fabricated, and suggested we're nuts.

    Conclusion: you see evidence on both sides of the equation and haven't quite made up your mind on what you think about it yet.
    I loathe woke, and I am massively hostile to critical race theory and the like. I think Universities should be actively shutting down departments that promote that kind of psuedoscientific hate.

    But I don't see it as an existential threat to the West. Like "blackboard" and political correctness in the UK in the 1980s, there is a huge amount of exaggeration. People share things that alarm them. And the more alarming they are, the more likely they are to be shared.
    Something has gone wrong with a section of Western upper middle class folk, who seem eaten up with hate for their own societies.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    For PB's Liz Truss fans she was taken apart by Julia HB on talkRadio earlier today.

    Why are 67 million still under restrictions when one person died of covid yesterday?

    We don't want to end up reimporting the vaccine.

    You mean the virus?

    Yes, sorry the virus. There are lots of dangerous variants.

    Bollocks, mistake we've all made.

    Gordon Brown was advocating vass maccination on r4 this morning.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,156
    edited May 2021
    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    You veer all over the place like a shopping trolley on this.

    I've seen you (lucidly) critique white privilege, racial identity, "defund the police" Woke language and terminology, and call them nuts. I've also seen you say it's grossly exaggerated and all made up/fabricated, and suggested we're nuts.

    Conclusion: you see evidence on both sides of the equation and haven't quite made up your mind on what you think about it yet.
    I loathe woke, and I am massively hostile to critical race theory and the like. I think Universities should be actively shutting down departments that promote that kind of psuedoscientific hate.

    But I don't see it as an existential threat to the West. Like "blackboard" and political correctness in the UK in the 1980s, there is a huge amount of exaggeration. People share things that alarm them. And the more alarming they are, the more likely they are to be shared.
    Something has gone wrong with a section of Western upper middle class folk, who seem eaten up with hate for their own societies.
    The problem of increasingly polarised preoccupations of identity in Anglo-American society is on both the left and right. Trumpism and Brexitism is its mirror image.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    On this, you’re an idiot. Sorry
    Of course there is a lot more to it.

    What is Happening maybe overblown by the right wing press and maybe click bait. but there is still A trend there that is seeing people losing jobs and opportunities for not adhering to certain dogma. Especially in further education and the performing arts. I noticed Mary Beard was being attacked on Twitter not for the views she holds but for following ‘TERFS’ on Twitter. James Dreyfus has lost work too simply based in a letter he signed six years ago. Richard Dawkins has been stripped of his humanist of the year award from the nineties for views he recently expressed. It is happening more and more and Will only continue because the people,with power and influence are not the politicians.
    I know for a fact I've been held back from being a reviewer and mentor in my job because I'm a male.

    The HR director told me.

    The basis of the argument was they have a 50:50 split they've achieved (contrived) and because a female resigned from the firm another has to take the spot, and did - who joined 9 months ago.

    I asked five years ago.
    I recall an apparently true story from the BBC. The diversity unit was discussing the make-up of various BBC boards and someone asked ‘so, Jenny, how is the Religious Affairs board doing in terms of equality and diversity?’

    Answer:

    ‘Really really well, we’ve now got 5 women and just 2 men, but we can do even better’

    And no one batted an eyelid
    And everyone ignores the biggest elephant in the room, which is class inequality. Assuming the story is true, the folks at the BBC would be perfectly happy if the five daughters of the Duke of Westminster got the job (if he had 5) over males from working class backgrounds because, you know, it's progress.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,607
    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    You veer all over the place like a shopping trolley on this.

    I've seen you (lucidly) critique white privilege, racial identity, "defund the police" Woke language and terminology, and call them nuts. I've also seen you say it's grossly exaggerated and all made up/fabricated, and suggested we're nuts.

    Conclusion: you see evidence on both sides of the equation and haven't quite made up your mind on what you think about it yet.
    I loathe woke, and I am massively hostile to critical race theory and the like. I think Universities should be actively shutting down departments that promote that kind of psuedoscientific hate.

    But I don't see it as an existential threat to the West. Like "blackboard" and political correctness in the UK in the 1980s, there is a huge amount of exaggeration. People share things that alarm them. And the more alarming they are, the more likely they are to be shared.
    Something has gone wrong with a section of Western upper middle class folk, who seem eaten up with hate for their own societies.
    Their own lifestyles are dependent upon the exploitation of immigrant and third world poor.

    They know this but don't want to give up said lifestyles leading to a guilt fuelled blame shifting.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,965
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Here is a link to the live count of Madrid.

    https://elpais.com/

    With 60% counted

    PP 64 seats.
    PSOE 25
    MM 24
    Vox 13
    UP 10

    C's wiped out. Right 77 Left 59.

    Big win for the PP showing the clear benefits saying a firm No to regional nationalist separatists can bring
    Does that mean the Tories are going to sweep London 'cos they've said a firm No to regional nationalist separatists?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405
    IshmaelZ said:

    For PB's Liz Truss fans she was taken apart by Julia HB on talkRadio earlier today.

    Why are 67 million still under restrictions when one person died of covid yesterday?

    We don't want to end up reimporting the vaccine.

    You mean the virus?

    Yes, sorry the virus. There are lots of dangerous variants.

    Bollocks, mistake we've all made.

    Gordon Brown was advocating vass maccination on r4 this morning.
    Yeah, it’s hardly being ‘taken apart’.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404
    edited May 2021
    HYUFD said:
    Will say it once more with feeling. If we believe the national polls AND the Hartlepool, WM, London, Scotland and Wales polls too...
    There will have to be one almighty churn of seats to see the Tories on 322.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405
    One of the Durham Council Tory candidates, on a Facebook group I’m a member of, is saying their internal polling suggests labour will hold the council and possibly gain seats due to the high number of independents splitting the vote. Maybe expectation management. Make of it what you will.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,156
    edited May 2021
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:
    Will say it once more with feeling. If we believe the national polls AND the Hartlepool, WM, London, Scotland and Wales polls too...
    There will have to be one almighty churn of seats to see the Tories on 322.
    Those formerly safe Southern Conservative seats may be heading Lib Dem and Labour. So much of our politics seems to follow the US's.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    The problem with the current media in general is their inability to call out politicians who blatantly lie . Johnson in the space of 1 minute lied three times and was allowed to get away with it with no comeback .
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,328
    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    You veer all over the place like a shopping trolley on this.

    I've seen you (lucidly) critique white privilege, racial identity, "defund the police" Woke language and terminology, and call them nuts. I've also seen you say it's grossly exaggerated and all made up/fabricated, and suggested we're nuts.

    Conclusion: you see evidence on both sides of the equation and haven't quite made up your mind on what you think about it yet.
    I loathe woke, and I am massively hostile to critical race theory and the like. I think Universities should be actively shutting down departments that promote that kind of psuedoscientific hate.

    But I don't see it as an existential threat to the West. Like "blackboard" and political correctness in the UK in the 1980s, there is a huge amount of exaggeration. People share things that alarm them. And the more alarming they are, the more likely they are to be shared.
    Something has gone wrong with a section of Western upper middle class folk, who seem eaten up with hate for their own societies.
    Orwell identified this trait in posh English people many decades ago. They’d rather fart the Greek alphabet at the Queen than sing the National Anthem

    However this self hatred has now crossed the Atlantic, interbred with the toxic guilt-ridden legacy of slavery, and infested much of intellectual America, from academia to Hollywood. And now America re-exports it around the world, like the Brits in the 60s giving the Blues back to the States

    China fuels it all via social media, because China benefits from rampant western decline
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Taz said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    For PB's Liz Truss fans she was taken apart by Julia HB on talkRadio earlier today.

    Why are 67 million still under restrictions when one person died of covid yesterday?

    We don't want to end up reimporting the vaccine.

    You mean the virus?

    Yes, sorry the virus. There are lots of dangerous variants.

    Bollocks, mistake we've all made.

    Gordon Brown was advocating vass maccination on r4 this morning.
    Yeah, it’s hardly being ‘taken apart’.
    And she's in from 100/1 where I backed her to 20/1 as next PM. Go Liz!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,964
    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    You veer all over the place like a shopping trolley on this.

    I've seen you (lucidly) critique white privilege, racial identity, "defund the police" Woke language and terminology, and call them nuts. I've also seen you say it's grossly exaggerated and all made up/fabricated, and suggested we're nuts.

    Conclusion: you see evidence on both sides of the equation and haven't quite made up your mind on what you think about it yet.
    I loathe woke, and I am massively hostile to critical race theory and the like. I think Universities should be actively shutting down departments that promote that kind of psuedoscientific hate.

    But I don't see it as an existential threat to the West. Like "blackboard" and political correctness in the UK in the 1980s, there is a huge amount of exaggeration. People share things that alarm them. And the more alarming they are, the more likely they are to be shared.
    Something has gone wrong with a section of Western upper middle class folk, who seem eaten up with hate for their own societies.
    Orwell identified this trait in posh English people many decades ago. They’d rather fart the Greek alphabet at the Queen than sing the National Anthem

    However this self hatred has now crossed the Atlantic, interbred with the toxic guilt-ridden legacy of slavery, and infested much of intellectual America, from academia to Hollywood. And now America re-exports it around the world, like the Brits in the 60s giving the Blues back to the States

    China fuels it all via social media, because China benefits from rampant western decline
    Though on current projections it is India which is the biggest threat to China, overtaking China in terms of population within a few decades and then maybe on economic strength in due course too
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,821

    I really really can't compute that YouGov poll showing a late swing to Shaun Bailey.

    Me neither, though no one wants to vote for Sadiq and the anti vote might just be consolidating around the nearest challenger. Sadiq is obviously still going to win on Thursday.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568

    Stocky said:

    Whilst I'm not predicting that SKS is going anywhere soon, long shots to replace Starmer one day assuming Labour want the best chance to win a GE which involves getting red wall back:

    - Male (just saying)
    - Northern
    - Charisma
    - Can you close your eyes and imagine him at door of No 10?
    - Intelligent enough
    - Voted Leave (or at least clearly expressed support for honouring the result)
    - Patriotic enough
    - Not regarded as a strong left winger

    Hmm. John Mann or Dan Jarvis. The former is (sadly) no longer an MP and Jarvis is available at 50/1.

    Starmer:

    - Male (slightly effete)
    - Southern (very London)
    - No charisma
    - Yes, he could do the job well (not the politics - he'd be like a Labour Theresa May)
    - Remainer (big time.. let's be honest)
    - Patriotic? A tad - at heart he thinks we should be past that now
    - Moderately left-wing

    Conclusion? He'll get a few extra seats. He'll expunge the far-left. But he won't win.
    Tend to agree, with one caveat.

    If the government continues to muck things up the way they did in 2020, they'll lose, and Starmer will become PM because he's inoffensive and for want of any alternative.

    And with this PM and this cabinet, that can't be ruled out.
    It's possible Starmer could win, but that'd be on the basis of knocking the Tories down to 300 seats and forming a rainbow coalition to take over.

    I don't think he could beat that.
    That's probably right. If Scotland decides to vote overwhelmingly SNP, it's not as easy for the Conservatives to assemble a majority (1992 and 2017 both depended on Scottish Conservative MPs), but it's damn near impossible for Labour.
    Also, I don't think there's enough Tory fruit for Starmer to pick in England.

    There's only so many upper-middle class, metropolitan and student/graduate seats.
    Doesn't Labour pretty much have them all?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,964
    edited May 2021

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Here is a link to the live count of Madrid.

    https://elpais.com/

    With 60% counted

    PP 64 seats.
    PSOE 25
    MM 24
    Vox 13
    UP 10

    C's wiped out. Right 77 Left 59.

    Big win for the PP showing the clear benefits saying a firm No to regional nationalist separatists can bring
    Does that mean the Tories are going to sweep London 'cos they've said a firm No to regional nationalist separatists?
    They will certainly sweep patriotic working class areas in England saying a firm No to the SNP
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,526
    edited May 2021
    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,328
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    You veer all over the place like a shopping trolley on this.

    I've seen you (lucidly) critique white privilege, racial identity, "defund the police" Woke language and terminology, and call them nuts. I've also seen you say it's grossly exaggerated and all made up/fabricated, and suggested we're nuts.

    Conclusion: you see evidence on both sides of the equation and haven't quite made up your mind on what you think about it yet.
    I loathe woke, and I am massively hostile to critical race theory and the like. I think Universities should be actively shutting down departments that promote that kind of psuedoscientific hate.

    But I don't see it as an existential threat to the West. Like "blackboard" and political correctness in the UK in the 1980s, there is a huge amount of exaggeration. People share things that alarm them. And the more alarming they are, the more likely they are to be shared.
    Something has gone wrong with a section of Western upper middle class folk, who seem eaten up with hate for their own societies.
    Orwell identified this trait in posh English people many decades ago. They’d rather fart the Greek alphabet at the Queen than sing the National Anthem

    However this self hatred has now crossed the Atlantic, interbred with the toxic guilt-ridden legacy of slavery, and infested much of intellectual America, from academia to Hollywood. And now America re-exports it around the world, like the Brits in the 60s giving the Blues back to the States

    China fuels it all via social media, because China benefits from rampant western decline
    Though on current projections it is India which is the biggest threat to China, overtaking China in terms of population within a few decades and then maybe on economic strength in due course too
    India will overtake China by population in the next few years, I believe
  • I really really can't compute that YouGov poll showing a late swing to Shaun Bailey.

    It's also a poll that shows 10% voting for Siân Berry, the Green candidate. She;s a longtime figure in London politics but Khan would probably poll higher if the race were more competitive.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    In Madrid PSOE is just 4k votes ahead of the third place party! They may yet go from 1st to 3rd in votes compared to last time.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,156
    edited May 2021
    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    You veer all over the place like a shopping trolley on this.

    I've seen you (lucidly) critique white privilege, racial identity, "defund the police" Woke language and terminology, and call them nuts. I've also seen you say it's grossly exaggerated and all made up/fabricated, and suggested we're nuts.

    Conclusion: you see evidence on both sides of the equation and haven't quite made up your mind on what you think about it yet.
    I loathe woke, and I am massively hostile to critical race theory and the like. I think Universities should be actively shutting down departments that promote that kind of psuedoscientific hate.

    But I don't see it as an existential threat to the West. Like "blackboard" and political correctness in the UK in the 1980s, there is a huge amount of exaggeration. People share things that alarm them. And the more alarming they are, the more likely they are to be shared.
    Something has gone wrong with a section of Western upper middle class folk, who seem eaten up with hate for their own societies.
    Orwell identified this trait in posh English people many decades ago. They’d rather fart the Greek alphabet at the Queen than sing the National Anthem

    However this self hatred has now crossed the Atlantic, interbred with the toxic guilt-ridden legacy of slavery, and infested much of intellectual America, from academia to Hollywood. And now America re-exports it around the world, like the Brits in the 60s giving the Blues back to the States

    China fuels it all via social media, because China benefits from rampant western decline
    Orwell was a brilliant novelist, but his social criticism tends to the shallow, glib and gigantically overrated, mainly because it's always been convenient for the anti-metropolitan right. His hatred of the "self-hating English intelligentsia" was par for the course for a very long line of English public schoolboys trying to demonstrate their more authentic and gritty credentials.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,964

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    The London polls still show a swing to Khan in the Mayoralty and Labour in the Assembly since 2016.

    Labour and the LDs are making progress in the South and the Tories are doing better in Wales, the Midlands and Leave voting areas of the North
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,158
    felix said:

    In Madrid PSOE is just 4k votes ahead of the third place party! They may yet go from 1st to 3rd in votes compared to last time.

    Which is a reminder of how quickly things can change.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,456

    I really really can't compute that YouGov poll showing a late swing to Shaun Bailey.

    It's a 2.5% swing from the Tories to Labour since 2016 which makes sense.
    Yeah, but it's Shaun Bailey - which doesn't make sense.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    felix said:

    In Madrid PSOE is just 4k votes ahead of the third place party! They may yet go from 1st to 3rd in votes compared to last time.

    And now they are tied on seats with Mas Madrid.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    I really really can't compute that YouGov poll showing a late swing to Shaun Bailey.

    It's a 2.5% swing from the Tories to Labour since 2016 which makes sense.
    Yeah, but it's Shaun Bailey - which doesn't make sense.
    No one on here has shared something stupid he has done in a couple of weeks I think, which might explain it?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    In Madrid the Conservative PP are within 4 seats of an absolute majority.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,456

    Stocky said:

    Whilst I'm not predicting that SKS is going anywhere soon, long shots to replace Starmer one day assuming Labour want the best chance to win a GE which involves getting red wall back:

    - Male (just saying)
    - Northern
    - Charisma
    - Can you close your eyes and imagine him at door of No 10?
    - Intelligent enough
    - Voted Leave (or at least clearly expressed support for honouring the result)
    - Patriotic enough
    - Not regarded as a strong left winger

    Hmm. John Mann or Dan Jarvis. The former is (sadly) no longer an MP and Jarvis is available at 50/1.

    Starmer:

    - Male (slightly effete)
    - Southern (very London)
    - No charisma
    - Yes, he could do the job well (not the politics - he'd be like a Labour Theresa May)
    - Remainer (big time.. let's be honest)
    - Patriotic? A tad - at heart he thinks we should be past that now
    - Moderately left-wing

    Conclusion? He'll get a few extra seats. He'll expunge the far-left. But he won't win.
    Tend to agree, with one caveat.

    If the government continues to muck things up the way they did in 2020, they'll lose, and Starmer will become PM because he's inoffensive and for want of any alternative.

    And with this PM and this cabinet, that can't be ruled out.
    It's possible Starmer could win, but that'd be on the basis of knocking the Tories down to 300 seats and forming a rainbow coalition to take over.

    I don't think he could beat that.
    That's probably right. If Scotland decides to vote overwhelmingly SNP, it's not as easy for the Conservatives to assemble a majority (1992 and 2017 both depended on Scottish Conservative MPs), but it's damn near impossible for Labour.
    Also, I don't think there's enough Tory fruit for Starmer to pick in England.

    There's only so many upper-middle class, metropolitan and student/graduate seats.
    Doesn't Labour pretty much have them all?
    Wycombe, Reading, Crawley, Worthing, Peterborough, Stevenage..

    On a very good day places like that.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    It is a mystery - one possibility is that the national polls reflect public exasperation about Boris and money but this isn't going to show up in real votes. Another could be Labour piling up lots more votes where they aren't needed or alternativley denting the Tory leads in the southern shires. Most likley a combo of all3 and some others!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,158
    edited May 2021
    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    On this, you’re an idiot. Sorry
    Of course there is a lot more to it.

    What is Happening maybe overblown by the right wing press and maybe click bait. but there is still A trend there that is seeing people losing jobs and opportunities for not adhering to certain dogma. Especially in further education and the performing arts. I noticed Mary Beard was being attacked on Twitter not for the views she holds but for following ‘TERFS’ on Twitter. James Dreyfus has lost work too simply based in a letter he signed six years ago. Richard Dawkins has been stripped of his humanist of the year award from the nineties for views he recently expressed. It is happening more and more and Will only continue because the people,with power and influence are not the politicians.
    I know for a fact I've been held back from being a reviewer and mentor in my job because I'm a male.

    The HR director told me.

    The basis of the argument was they have a 50:50 split they've achieved (contrived) and because a female resigned from the firm another has to take the spot, and did - who joined 9 months ago.

    I asked five years ago.
    I recall an apparently true story from the BBC. The diversity unit was discussing the make-up of various BBC boards and someone asked ‘so, Jenny, how is the Religious Affairs board doing in terms of equality and diversity?’

    Answer:

    ‘Really really well, we’ve now got 5 women and just 2 men, but we can do even better’

    And no one batted an eyelid
    And everyone ignores the biggest elephant in the room, which is class inequality. Assuming the story is true, the folks at the BBC would be perfectly happy if the five daughters of the Duke of Westminster got the job (if he had 5) over males from working class backgrounds because, you know, it's progress.
    Well yes, any attempt to define privilege as somehow being exclusively defined by a fairly narrow set of genes is clearly bonkers.

    It's also contradictory to say that parts 1,223,600 to 1,245,233 of your genetic code are immovable and somehow bring with them you being part of some shared history and culture... while this bit of your genetic code which determines if you have a penis or a womb is completely in your control to change.

    I always use President Obama's children as my example. Does anyone really think Malia Obama is less privileged than the average (white) inhabitant of Marion County, West Virginia*.

    * Average household income around £8,000/year.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,158
    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,607

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    I wonder how many votes Labour is gaining in southern England.

    Its little noticed how much support Labour gained in safe Conservative areas in 2017 before losing it again in 2019.

    Now if the loss in 2019 was because of Corbyn or Brexit then the removal of the issues should see Labour able to regain those votes.

    Especially so if the impetus is from student debt or housing unaffordability - the numbers affected by each growing year by year.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    edited May 2021
    IanB2 said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    felix said:

    dixiedean said:

    felix said:

    ping said:

    dixiedean said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ping said:

    Assuming the polls are true - and labour is losing significant votes in Hartlepool, doing pretty badly in the West Midlands, but ~level pegging overall, WHERE are they piling up votes?

    I don’t get it.

    Has anyone dug into the subsamples?

    Possibly places where they already weigh the labour vote like london
    And yet Khan is down.
    My money's on the Home Counties.
    I agree. Starmer’s picking up votes in blue-remainia, isn’t he?

    Labour could put in a surprisingly good performance in Chesham & Amersham.
    I actually doubt your last point and wrt the Home counties not sure they would win much in a GE here - potential to make the Tory vote even more efficient.
    Well indeed. Analogous to Tyne and Wear. Massive swings to the Tories all this century has left 12 out of 12 Labour seats much more efficiently won.
    I do think my home town seat of Sunderland central could go blue for the first time since 1963!
    I'm not convinced. Sunderland Central is a university seat after all and is being gentrified, albeit slowly (believe it or not). It also contains the more middle class metropolitan liberal elite parts of Sunderland.

    Plus Sunderland/Tyne and Wear generally hasn't exactly been given a ton of Tory red meat to chew on like Teesside.

    The council elections on Thursday should be informative.
    Gentrified??? Metropolitan liberal elite???

    You'll have to let me know where to find the artisan bakers and organic cyclist cafes in Sunderland city centre...
    "Metropolitan liberal elite" is relative, of course. ;)
    It's a state of mind, not geography.

    Same with being a man of the people (gender and/or actualy connection with 'the people' not required)
    Some of us are metropolitan liberal elite and a man of the people.
    No doubt. Who?
    Me.

    Well I was recently upgraded to upper class by some friends (they were doing a quiz and it asked them how many upper class people they knew, for this you didn't need a title for to be upper class.)
    The test is whether you’d see a home of John Lewis decor and furnishings as a nightmare?
    I loathe modern furniture ... sofas with no proper backs, uncomfortable chairs etc I always buy old and stylish and refurbish if required.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    Leon said:

    Private polling klaxon.

    Labour set for huge election defeat in Hartlepool, internal polling suggests

    Exclusive: Party’s own figures show only 40% of previous supporters pledge to back its candidate this time

    Fewer than half of recent Labour voters in Hartlepool say they will back the party in Thursday’s crucial byelection, according to internal data based on the canvassing of more than 10,000 people, leading activists to fear an historic Conservative victory.

    Labour insiders said that polling from its ground campaign in the town showed that only about 40% of the party’s previous supporters had pledged to vote for its candidate, Paul Williams.

    Such an outcome would deal a significant blow to Keir Starmer’s leadership and a decisive Conservative win in a north-east England seat that has elected a Labour MP at every parliamentary election since 1964.

    Labour sources said they were in “huge trouble” in Hartlepool and also in danger of losing control of Sunderland and Durham councils for the first time in half a century. Voters across England, Scotland and Wales will go to the polls on what has been dubbed “Super Thursday”, in the biggest set of local elections since 1973.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/04/internal-polling-suggests-labour-heading-for-defeat-in-hartlepool-byelection?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    The nightmare is coming true for Labour, as warned by the Guardian, et al. The SNP are already the Scottish party, the Tories are becoming the party of England
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    The death of American archeology and science, via Wokeness

    ‘Acquiescing to tribal religious demands has meant that in some museums women are barred from handling remains. There are many accounts of archaeologists avoiding hypotheses, such as those revolving around the peopling of the Americas, because the research will contradict creation myths.’

    https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/responding-to-claims-of-archaeological-racism

    Americans who favour Creationism over science? Cor blimey guv, who wouldda thought!

    Perhaps like the Mayor of Baker City it is time to call declare a State of Emergency over Wokeness. Yes really:

    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1389357014438928384?s=19
    Wouldn’t it be amusing if after the aliens reveal, our new friends / masters tell us that yes indeed, they created the solar system and everything in it 6k years ago. And that the secret to societal enlightenment is strict adherence to gender neutrality, with genitalia to be evolved away like a Ken Doll.

    Something to keep everyone happy.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,242
    felix said:

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    It is a mystery - one possibility is that the national polls reflect public exasperation about Boris and money but this isn't going to show up in real votes. Another could be Labour piling up lots more votes where they aren't needed or alternativley denting the Tory leads in the southern shires. Most likley a combo of all3 and some others!
    There's also differential turnout to consider. Perhaps a large chunk would vote Lab in a GE but can't be bothered with the locals.

    I would be interested to hear from any canvassers, how they think turnout will bear up compared to normal local elections.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,158
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    You veer all over the place like a shopping trolley on this.

    I've seen you (lucidly) critique white privilege, racial identity, "defund the police" Woke language and terminology, and call them nuts. I've also seen you say it's grossly exaggerated and all made up/fabricated, and suggested we're nuts.

    Conclusion: you see evidence on both sides of the equation and haven't quite made up your mind on what you think about it yet.
    I loathe woke, and I am massively hostile to critical race theory and the like. I think Universities should be actively shutting down departments that promote that kind of psuedoscientific hate.

    But I don't see it as an existential threat to the West. Like "blackboard" and political correctness in the UK in the 1980s, there is a huge amount of exaggeration. People share things that alarm them. And the more alarming they are, the more likely they are to be shared.
    Something has gone wrong with a section of Western upper middle class folk, who seem eaten up with hate for their own societies.
    Orwell identified this trait in posh English people many decades ago. They’d rather fart the Greek alphabet at the Queen than sing the National Anthem

    However this self hatred has now crossed the Atlantic, interbred with the toxic guilt-ridden legacy of slavery, and infested much of intellectual America, from academia to Hollywood. And now America re-exports it around the world, like the Brits in the 60s giving the Blues back to the States

    China fuels it all via social media, because China benefits from rampant western decline
    Though on current projections it is India which is the biggest threat to China, overtaking China in terms of population within a few decades and then maybe on economic strength in due course too
    India will overtake China by population in the next few years, I believe
    It may have already done so, they were practically tied in 2019, and China is forecasting a decline in absolute population this year.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,328
    edited May 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,607
    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    On this, you’re an idiot. Sorry
    Of course there is a lot more to it.

    What is Happening maybe overblown by the right wing press and maybe click bait. but there is still A trend there that is seeing people losing jobs and opportunities for not adhering to certain dogma. Especially in further education and the performing arts. I noticed Mary Beard was being attacked on Twitter not for the views she holds but for following ‘TERFS’ on Twitter. James Dreyfus has lost work too simply based in a letter he signed six years ago. Richard Dawkins has been stripped of his humanist of the year award from the nineties for views he recently expressed. It is happening more and more and Will only continue because the people,with power and influence are not the politicians.
    I know for a fact I've been held back from being a reviewer and mentor in my job because I'm a male.

    The HR director told me.

    The basis of the argument was they have a 50:50 split they've achieved (contrived) and because a female resigned from the firm another has to take the spot, and did - who joined 9 months ago.

    I asked five years ago.
    I recall an apparently true story from the BBC. The diversity unit was discussing the make-up of various BBC boards and someone asked ‘so, Jenny, how is the Religious Affairs board doing in terms of equality and diversity?’

    Answer:

    ‘Really really well, we’ve now got 5 women and just 2 men, but we can do even better’

    And no one batted an eyelid
    And everyone ignores the biggest elephant in the room, which is class inequality. Assuming the story is true, the folks at the BBC would be perfectly happy if the five daughters of the Duke of Westminster got the job (if he had 5) over males from working class backgrounds because, you know, it's progress.
    Well yes, any attempt to define privilege as somehow being exclusively defined by a fairly narrow set of genes is clearly bonkers.

    It's also contradictory to say that parts 1,223,600 to 1,245,233 of your genetic code are immovable and somehow bring with them you being part of some shared history and culture... while this bit of your genetic code which determines if you have a penis or a womb is completely in your control to change.

    I always use President Obama's children as my example. Does anyone really think Malia Obama is less privileged than the average (white) inhabitant of Marion County, West Virginia*.

    * Average household income around £8,000/year.
    any attempt to define privilege as somehow being exclusively defined by a fairly narrow set of genes is clearly bonkers

    I think its more likely to be self-serving than bonkers.

    There's plenty of upper-middle class women who benefit from gender being deemed more important than class in the privilege stakes.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    felix said:

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    It is a mystery - one possibility is that the national polls reflect public exasperation about Boris and money but this isn't going to show up in real votes. Another could be Labour piling up lots more votes where they aren't needed or alternativley denting the Tory leads in the southern shires. Most likley a combo of all3 and some others!
    There's also differential turnout to consider. Perhaps a large chunk would vote Lab in a GE but can't be bothered with the locals.

    I would be interested to hear from any canvassers, how they think turnout will bear up compared to normal local elections.
    The reprt from the Guardian posted earlier suggested in the mayorals, Hartlepool and some north-east councils the Labour people were in despair.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,158
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    I live in Brentwood :smile:
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    And with 95% counted the PSOE fall behind Mas Madrid in total votes to be currently in third place in the Madrid regionals which they won last time.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    I wonder how many votes Labour is gaining in southern England.

    Its little noticed how much support Labour gained in safe Conservative areas in 2017 before losing it again in 2019.

    Now if the loss in 2019 was because of Corbyn or Brexit then the removal of the issues should see Labour able to regain those votes.

    Especially so if the impetus is from student debt or housing unaffordability - the numbers affected by each growing year by year.
    Especially if you are having demographic changes driven by large swathes or younger people moving out of London to,the shires.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,607
    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    On this, you’re an idiot. Sorry
    Of course there is a lot more to it.

    What is Happening maybe overblown by the right wing press and maybe click bait. but there is still A trend there that is seeing people losing jobs and opportunities for not adhering to certain dogma. Especially in further education and the performing arts. I noticed Mary Beard was being attacked on Twitter not for the views she holds but for following ‘TERFS’ on Twitter. James Dreyfus has lost work too simply based in a letter he signed six years ago. Richard Dawkins has been stripped of his humanist of the year award from the nineties for views he recently expressed. It is happening more and more and Will only continue because the people,with power and influence are not the politicians.
    I know for a fact I've been held back from being a reviewer and mentor in my job because I'm a male.

    The HR director told me.

    The basis of the argument was they have a 50:50 split they've achieved (contrived) and because a female resigned from the firm another has to take the spot, and did - who joined 9 months ago.

    I asked five years ago.
    I recall an apparently true story from the BBC. The diversity unit was discussing the make-up of various BBC boards and someone asked ‘so, Jenny, how is the Religious Affairs board doing in terms of equality and diversity?’

    Answer:

    ‘Really really well, we’ve now got 5 women and just 2 men, but we can do even better’

    And no one batted an eyelid
    And everyone ignores the biggest elephant in the room, which is class inequality. Assuming the story is true, the folks at the BBC would be perfectly happy if the five daughters of the Duke of Westminster got the job (if he had 5) over males from working class backgrounds because, you know, it's progress.
    Well yes, any attempt to define privilege as somehow being exclusively defined by a fairly narrow set of genes is clearly bonkers.

    It's also contradictory to say that parts 1,223,600 to 1,245,233 of your genetic code are immovable and somehow bring with them you being part of some shared history and culture... while this bit of your genetic code which determines if you have a penis or a womb is completely in your control to change.

    I always use President Obama's children as my example. Does anyone really think Malia Obama is less privileged than the average (white) inhabitant of Marion County, West Virginia*.

    * Average household income around £8,000/year.
    Do you mean McDowell county:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDowell_County,_West_Virginia

    Marion county doesn't seem too bad:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_County,_West_Virginia
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,964

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    I wonder how many votes Labour is gaining in southern England.

    Its little noticed how much support Labour gained in safe Conservative areas in 2017 before losing it again in 2019.

    Now if the loss in 2019 was because of Corbyn or Brexit then the removal of the issues should see Labour able to regain those votes.

    Especially so if the impetus is from student debt or housing unaffordability - the numbers affected by each growing year by year.
    Survation at the weekend indeed had the Tories lead in the South down to just 7%, 42% to 35% for Labour with the LDs up to 13%.

    By contrast the best region for the Tories was the Midlands where the Tories led by 52% to 38% for Labour.

    In London Labour had a big lead of 22%, on 49% to 27% for the Tories

    https://cdn.survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/30202446/Survation-Daily-Mail-Politics-Poll-Tables.xlsx
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,158

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    On this, you’re an idiot. Sorry
    Of course there is a lot more to it.

    What is Happening maybe overblown by the right wing press and maybe click bait. but there is still A trend there that is seeing people losing jobs and opportunities for not adhering to certain dogma. Especially in further education and the performing arts. I noticed Mary Beard was being attacked on Twitter not for the views she holds but for following ‘TERFS’ on Twitter. James Dreyfus has lost work too simply based in a letter he signed six years ago. Richard Dawkins has been stripped of his humanist of the year award from the nineties for views he recently expressed. It is happening more and more and Will only continue because the people,with power and influence are not the politicians.
    I know for a fact I've been held back from being a reviewer and mentor in my job because I'm a male.

    The HR director told me.

    The basis of the argument was they have a 50:50 split they've achieved (contrived) and because a female resigned from the firm another has to take the spot, and did - who joined 9 months ago.

    I asked five years ago.
    I recall an apparently true story from the BBC. The diversity unit was discussing the make-up of various BBC boards and someone asked ‘so, Jenny, how is the Religious Affairs board doing in terms of equality and diversity?’

    Answer:

    ‘Really really well, we’ve now got 5 women and just 2 men, but we can do even better’

    And no one batted an eyelid
    And everyone ignores the biggest elephant in the room, which is class inequality. Assuming the story is true, the folks at the BBC would be perfectly happy if the five daughters of the Duke of Westminster got the job (if he had 5) over males from working class backgrounds because, you know, it's progress.
    Well yes, any attempt to define privilege as somehow being exclusively defined by a fairly narrow set of genes is clearly bonkers.

    It's also contradictory to say that parts 1,223,600 to 1,245,233 of your genetic code are immovable and somehow bring with them you being part of some shared history and culture... while this bit of your genetic code which determines if you have a penis or a womb is completely in your control to change.

    I always use President Obama's children as my example. Does anyone really think Malia Obama is less privileged than the average (white) inhabitant of Marion County, West Virginia*.

    * Average household income around £8,000/year.
    Do you mean McDowell county:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDowell_County,_West_Virginia

    Marion county doesn't seem too bad:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_County,_West_Virginia
    I sourced from here (https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/west-virginia/poorest-counties-wv/) but may be out of date.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,328
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    I live in Brentwood :smile:
    Don’t send your kids there


    ‘Brentwood alerted parents that at least one day of school would be starting late so that faculty could spend a morning discussing chapters of White Fragility.’

    lol
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    felix said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    It is a mystery - one possibility is that the national polls reflect public exasperation about Boris and money but this isn't going to show up in real votes. Another could be Labour piling up lots more votes where they aren't needed or alternativley denting the Tory leads in the southern shires. Most likley a combo of all3 and some others!
    There's also differential turnout to consider. Perhaps a large chunk would vote Lab in a GE but can't be bothered with the locals.

    I would be interested to hear from any canvassers, how they think turnout will bear up compared to normal local elections.
    The reprt from the Guardian posted earlier suggested in the mayorals, Hartlepool and some north-east councils the Labour people were in despair.
    Their mood not helped by many of them being laid off by Labour on Friday.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,242
    HYUFD said:

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    I wonder how many votes Labour is gaining in southern England.

    Its little noticed how much support Labour gained in safe Conservative areas in 2017 before losing it again in 2019.

    Now if the loss in 2019 was because of Corbyn or Brexit then the removal of the issues should see Labour able to regain those votes.

    Especially so if the impetus is from student debt or housing unaffordability - the numbers affected by each growing year by year.
    Survation at the weekend indeed had the Tories lead in the South down to just 7%, 42% to 35% for Labour with the LDs up to 13%.

    By contrast the best region for the Tories was the Midlands where the Tories led by 52% to 38% for Labour.

    In London Labour had a big lead of 22%, on 49% to 27% for the Tories

    https://cdn.survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/30202446/Survation-Daily-Mail-Politics-Poll-Tables.xlsx
    I live in Maidenhead, which has previously been a white town with a fairly small Muslim community (one mosque).

    In the last year I have definitely noticed a few more black families moving in (presumably from London).

    We have heard a lot of reports about the population of London dropping but less about where people are relocating to.

    I can see a scenario where Maidenhead becomes more competitive in the next 10-20 years

    1) The Borough are putting all the housing development in Maidenhead with huge numbers of flats (probably quite a lot of them rented)
    2) Due to population growth the seat will gradually become more tightly drawn around the town and lose the Thames-side villages
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    Moderators/Robert. FYI, for the last couple of days, I've had trouble loading PB. I frequently get the "Could not connect to server" message.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,156
    edited May 2021
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    I live in Brentwood :smile:
    Don’t send your kids there


    ‘Brentwood alerted parents that at least one day of school would be starting late so that faculty could spend a morning discussing chapters of White Fragility.’

    lol
    This is in a similar bracket of concern to Trump saying white supermacists included some "very fine people", or Johnson describing changes to the Brexit bill as the "surrender bill". There is a potentially very damaging problem of ethnocultural ultra-polarisation taking place.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,607
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    On this, you’re an idiot. Sorry
    Of course there is a lot more to it.

    What is Happening maybe overblown by the right wing press and maybe click bait. but there is still A trend there that is seeing people losing jobs and opportunities for not adhering to certain dogma. Especially in further education and the performing arts. I noticed Mary Beard was being attacked on Twitter not for the views she holds but for following ‘TERFS’ on Twitter. James Dreyfus has lost work too simply based in a letter he signed six years ago. Richard Dawkins has been stripped of his humanist of the year award from the nineties for views he recently expressed. It is happening more and more and Will only continue because the people,with power and influence are not the politicians.
    I know for a fact I've been held back from being a reviewer and mentor in my job because I'm a male.

    The HR director told me.

    The basis of the argument was they have a 50:50 split they've achieved (contrived) and because a female resigned from the firm another has to take the spot, and did - who joined 9 months ago.

    I asked five years ago.
    I recall an apparently true story from the BBC. The diversity unit was discussing the make-up of various BBC boards and someone asked ‘so, Jenny, how is the Religious Affairs board doing in terms of equality and diversity?’

    Answer:

    ‘Really really well, we’ve now got 5 women and just 2 men, but we can do even better’

    And no one batted an eyelid
    And everyone ignores the biggest elephant in the room, which is class inequality. Assuming the story is true, the folks at the BBC would be perfectly happy if the five daughters of the Duke of Westminster got the job (if he had 5) over males from working class backgrounds because, you know, it's progress.
    Well yes, any attempt to define privilege as somehow being exclusively defined by a fairly narrow set of genes is clearly bonkers.

    It's also contradictory to say that parts 1,223,600 to 1,245,233 of your genetic code are immovable and somehow bring with them you being part of some shared history and culture... while this bit of your genetic code which determines if you have a penis or a womb is completely in your control to change.

    I always use President Obama's children as my example. Does anyone really think Malia Obama is less privileged than the average (white) inhabitant of Marion County, West Virginia*.

    * Average household income around £8,000/year.
    Do you mean McDowell county:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDowell_County,_West_Virginia

    Marion county doesn't seem too bad:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_County,_West_Virginia
    I sourced from here (https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/west-virginia/poorest-counties-wv/) but may be out of date.
    Of 3,142 counties in the United States in 2013, McDowell County ranked 3,142 in the life expectancy of both male and female residents.

    In 2015, McDowell County had the highest rate of drug-induced deaths of any county in the United States, with 141 deaths per 100,000 people.

    The county has been classified as a "food desert" by the USDA. In 2017, there were two full-sized grocery stores serving the county's 535 square miles.[28] The county's only Walmart Supercenter, the county's largest employer, closed in 2016.[29]

    Financial services remain scant in the area. In 1999, The First National Bank of Keystone, the only bank then located in the coal town of Keystone and the town's major employer at the time, was closed by the FDIC due to fraud.


    McDowell's population has fallen from 98k in 1950 to 17k in 2019.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqceHviNBC4
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    I live in Brentwood :smile:
    Don’t send your kids there


    ‘Brentwood alerted parents that at least one day of school would be starting late so that faculty could spend a morning discussing chapters of White Fragility.’

    lol

    What’s on Earth is ‘white fragility’ ?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    On this, you’re an idiot. Sorry
    Of course there is a lot more to it.

    What is Happening maybe overblown by the right wing press and maybe click bait. but there is still A trend there that is seeing people losing jobs and opportunities for not adhering to certain dogma. Especially in further education and the performing arts. I noticed Mary Beard was being attacked on Twitter not for the views she holds but for following ‘TERFS’ on Twitter. James Dreyfus has lost work too simply based in a letter he signed six years ago. Richard Dawkins has been stripped of his humanist of the year award from the nineties for views he recently expressed. It is happening more and more and Will only continue because the people,with power and influence are not the politicians.
    I know for a fact I've been held back from being a reviewer and mentor in my job because I'm a male.

    The HR director told me.

    The basis of the argument was they have a 50:50 split they've achieved (contrived) and because a female resigned from the firm another has to take the spot, and did - who joined 9 months ago.

    I asked five years ago.
    I recall an apparently true story from the BBC. The diversity unit was discussing the make-up of various BBC boards and someone asked ‘so, Jenny, how is the Religious Affairs board doing in terms of equality and diversity?’

    Answer:

    ‘Really really well, we’ve now got 5 women and just 2 men, but we can do even better’

    And no one batted an eyelid
    And everyone ignores the biggest elephant in the room, which is class inequality. Assuming the story is true, the folks at the BBC would be perfectly happy if the five daughters of the Duke of Westminster got the job (if he had 5) over males from working class backgrounds because, you know, it's progress.
    Well yes, any attempt to define privilege as somehow being exclusively defined by a fairly narrow set of genes is clearly bonkers.

    It's also contradictory to say that parts 1,223,600 to 1,245,233 of your genetic code are immovable and somehow bring with them you being part of some shared history and culture... while this bit of your genetic code which determines if you have a penis or a womb is completely in your control to change.

    I always use President Obama's children as my example. Does anyone really think Malia Obama is less privileged than the average (white) inhabitant of Marion County, West Virginia*.

    * Average household income around £8,000/year.
    Do you mean McDowell county:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDowell_County,_West_Virginia

    Marion county doesn't seem too bad:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_County,_West_Virginia
    I sourced from here (https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/west-virginia/poorest-counties-wv/) but may be out of date.
    We drive through Marion Co with the horse trailer each time we go to an event in Lexington KY. There are certain trucker gas stations where my wife won't stop.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    Nick

    The national polling has very little relevance to local elections.

    Hartlepool - IF CON win then it is down to local factors, I am still calling a marginal LAB hold.

    London - everyone hates CON there. I am considering asking for a benefit as the last CON supporter there. Sadiq is massive. LAB possibly 11/14 of the constituency seats.

    West Midlands - looks like Street is safe

    Scotland - no one likes CON, LAB coming back well

    Wales - better for Drakeford than expected

    England local elections - CON on a high 2016, 2017 - LAB looking to come back, might not happen
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    I live in Brentwood :smile:
    Don’t send your kids there


    ‘Brentwood alerted parents that at least one day of school would be starting late so that faculty could spend a morning discussing chapters of White Fragility.’

    lol
    This is in a similar bracket of concern to Trump saying neo-nazis included some "very fine people", or Johnson describing changes to the Brexit bill as the "surrender bill". There is a very pressing problem of ethnocultural ultra-polarisation.
    Yes there is and both of the polarised sides are as bad as each other but both are convinced of their own virtue above all else. It’s only going to get worse.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,157
    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    On this, you’re an idiot. Sorry
    Of course there is a lot more to it.

    What is Happening maybe overblown by the right wing press and maybe click bait. but there is still A trend there that is seeing people losing jobs and opportunities for not adhering to certain dogma. Especially in further education and the performing arts. I noticed Mary Beard was being attacked on Twitter not for the views she holds but for following ‘TERFS’ on Twitter. James Dreyfus has lost work too simply based in a letter he signed six years ago. Richard Dawkins has been stripped of his humanist of the year award from the nineties for views he recently expressed. It is happening more and more and Will only continue because the people,with power and influence are not the politicians.
    I know for a fact I've been held back from being a reviewer and mentor in my job because I'm a male.

    The HR director told me.

    The basis of the argument was they have a 50:50 split they've achieved (contrived) and because a female resigned from the firm another has to take the spot, and did - who joined 9 months ago.

    I asked five years ago.
    I recall an apparently true story from the BBC. The diversity unit was discussing the make-up of various BBC boards and someone asked ‘so, Jenny, how is the Religious Affairs board doing in terms of equality and diversity?’

    Answer:

    ‘Really really well, we’ve now got 5 women and just 2 men, but we can do even better’

    And no one batted an eyelid
    And everyone ignores the biggest elephant in the room, which is class inequality. Assuming the story is true, the folks at the BBC would be perfectly happy if the five daughters of the Duke of Westminster got the job (if he had 5) over males from working class backgrounds because, you know, it's progress.
    Mmm, the populist right are absolutely teeming with plans to restribute wealth and power away from financial and social elites and in favour of the working class.

    That's why they're always banging on about the evils of woke and the joys of strong borders and making their countries great again. You know, just like they used to be in those halcyon far off days of unwoke when workers ruled the roost.

    It's all about reducing class inequalities. It's what keeps those guys awake at nights. The Trumps. The Farages. The ERG.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    PB is at its most dull when posters from right and left proactively dig out extreme (yet atypical) examples of wokeism and prejudice. It adds zero value: Internet Rule 54 states the possibly of some organisation or individual somewhere behaving stupidly at any given time is precisely 1 in 1.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    edited May 2021
    Those on here obsessed with 'wokeism' remind me of Mary Whitehouse and her bizarre (and ultimately futile) obsession with porn.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,156
    edited May 2021
    kinabalu said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

    American education is just the first great temple to fall

    My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

    Zero.

    There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

    My daughter is 13.

    She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

    Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

    I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

    Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.
    No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

    "Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
    via @theblaze

    Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

    https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21
    And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

    So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.
    On this, you’re an idiot. Sorry
    Of course there is a lot more to it.

    What is Happening maybe overblown by the right wing press and maybe click bait. but there is still A trend there that is seeing people losing jobs and opportunities for not adhering to certain dogma. Especially in further education and the performing arts. I noticed Mary Beard was being attacked on Twitter not for the views she holds but for following ‘TERFS’ on Twitter. James Dreyfus has lost work too simply based in a letter he signed six years ago. Richard Dawkins has been stripped of his humanist of the year award from the nineties for views he recently expressed. It is happening more and more and Will only continue because the people,with power and influence are not the politicians.
    I know for a fact I've been held back from being a reviewer and mentor in my job because I'm a male.

    The HR director told me.

    The basis of the argument was they have a 50:50 split they've achieved (contrived) and because a female resigned from the firm another has to take the spot, and did - who joined 9 months ago.

    I asked five years ago.
    I recall an apparently true story from the BBC. The diversity unit was discussing the make-up of various BBC boards and someone asked ‘so, Jenny, how is the Religious Affairs board doing in terms of equality and diversity?’

    Answer:

    ‘Really really well, we’ve now got 5 women and just 2 men, but we can do even better’

    And no one batted an eyelid
    And everyone ignores the biggest elephant in the room, which is class inequality. Assuming the story is true, the folks at the BBC would be perfectly happy if the five daughters of the Duke of Westminster got the job (if he had 5) over males from working class backgrounds because, you know, it's progress.
    Mmm, the populist right are absolutely teeming with plans to restribute wealth and power away from financial and social elites and in favour of the working class.

    That's why they're always banging on about the evils of woke and the joys of strong borders and making their countries great again. You know, just like they used to be in those halcyon far off days of unwoke when workers ruled the roost.

    It's all about reducing class inequalities. It's what keeps those guys awake at nights. The Trumps. The Farages. The ERG.
    This is correct ; the modern left spends identity preoccupations of varying usefulness, some of which mirror the right, and genuine social concern. Boris Johnson's and Farage's class concern is not genuine.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,157

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    Nick

    The national polling has very little relevance to local elections.

    Hartlepool - IF CON win then it is down to local factors, I am still calling a marginal LAB hold.

    London - everyone hates CON there. I am considering asking for a benefit as the last CON supporter there. Sadiq is massive. LAB possibly 11/14 of the constituency seats.

    West Midlands - looks like Street is safe

    Scotland - no one likes CON, LAB coming back well

    Wales - better for Drakeford than expected

    England local elections - CON on a high 2016, 2017 - LAB looking to come back, might not happen
    Are you availing yourself of some of the 6/1 for the Labour hold then?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    I live in Brentwood :smile:
    Don’t send your kids there


    ‘Brentwood alerted parents that at least one day of school would be starting late so that faculty could spend a morning discussing chapters of White Fragility.’

    lol
    This is in a similar bracket of concern to Trump saying neo-nazis included some "very fine people", or Johnson describing changes to the Brexit bill as the "surrender bill". There is a very pressing problem of ethnocultural ultra-polarisation.
    Yes there is and both of the polarised sides are as bad as each other but both are convinced of their own virtue above all else. It’s only going to get worse.
    Let the culture warriors form a homeland on the Isle of Man where they can luxuriate in their differences and enjoy mutual opprobrium for ever more. The rest of us can just get on with our lives.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,328

    PB is at its most dull when posters from right and left proactively dig out extreme (yet atypical) examples of wokeism and prejudice. It adds zero value: Internet Rule 54 states the possibly of some organisation or individual somewhere behaving stupidly at any given time is precisely 1 in 1.

    If you think Wokeness in American education is ‘extreme and atypical’ you’re a halfwit. Soz
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    kinabalu said:

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    Nick

    The national polling has very little relevance to local elections.

    Hartlepool - IF CON win then it is down to local factors, I am still calling a marginal LAB hold.

    London - everyone hates CON there. I am considering asking for a benefit as the last CON supporter there. Sadiq is massive. LAB possibly 11/14 of the constituency seats.

    West Midlands - looks like Street is safe

    Scotland - no one likes CON, LAB coming back well

    Wales - better for Drakeford than expected

    England local elections - CON on a high 2016, 2017 - LAB looking to come back, might not happen
    Are you availing yourself of some of the 6/1 for the Labour hold then?
    Should be 25/1 at least.

    Majority of those voting already have.

    SKS's chosen one has been defeated.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,659
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    I live in Brentwood :smile:
    Don’t send your kids there


    ‘Brentwood alerted parents that at least one day of school would be starting late so that faculty could spend a morning discussing chapters of White Fragility.’

    lol

    What’s on Earth is ‘white fragility’ ?
    A best selling book.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Fragility

    The concept is that white people are used to their position at the top of the social hierarchy, and feel threatened by social equality measures challenging their status.

    You may have seen some examples on here tonight. Male fragility and class fragility are similar.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    edited May 2021
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    Tbf I endured having to study Lord of the Flies at school and the sheer tedium of it still haunts me. Striking it from the reading list can only be a good thing imho.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,156
    edited May 2021
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    I live in Brentwood :smile:
    Don’t send your kids there


    ‘Brentwood alerted parents that at least one day of school would be starting late so that faculty could spend a morning discussing chapters of White Fragility.’

    lol

    What’s on Earth is ‘white fragility’ ?
    A best selling book.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Fragility

    The concept is that white people are used to their position at the top of the social hierarchy, and feel threatened by social equality measures challenging their status.

    You may have seen some examples on here tonight. Male fragility and class fragility are similar.
    It's a very poor, even totalitarian concept, I would say. As mentioned previously, it reminds me of very literal-minded, clumsy and official interpretations of Marx in Eastern Bloc regimes.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,157
    edited May 2021
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    I live in Brentwood :smile:
    Don’t send your kids there


    ‘Brentwood alerted parents that at least one day of school would be starting late so that faculty could spend a morning discussing chapters of White Fragility.’

    lol

    What’s on Earth is ‘white fragility’ ?
    It's a term for white people who cannot discuss the concept of white privilege without having an emotional and intellectual meltdown.

    This forum is awash with it. You don't even need to be paying attention to see this.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404

    HYUFD said:

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    I wonder how many votes Labour is gaining in southern England.

    Its little noticed how much support Labour gained in safe Conservative areas in 2017 before losing it again in 2019.

    Now if the loss in 2019 was because of Corbyn or Brexit then the removal of the issues should see Labour able to regain those votes.

    Especially so if the impetus is from student debt or housing unaffordability - the numbers affected by each growing year by year.
    Survation at the weekend indeed had the Tories lead in the South down to just 7%, 42% to 35% for Labour with the LDs up to 13%.

    By contrast the best region for the Tories was the Midlands where the Tories led by 52% to 38% for Labour.

    In London Labour had a big lead of 22%, on 49% to 27% for the Tories

    https://cdn.survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/30202446/Survation-Daily-Mail-Politics-Poll-Tables.xlsx
    I live in Maidenhead, which has previously been a white town with a fairly small Muslim community (one mosque).

    In the last year I have definitely noticed a few more black families moving in (presumably from London).

    We have heard a lot of reports about the population of London dropping but less about where people are relocating to.

    I can see a scenario where Maidenhead becomes more competitive in the next 10-20 years

    1) The Borough are putting all the housing development in Maidenhead with huge numbers of flats (probably quite a lot of them rented)
    2) Due to population growth the seat will gradually become more tightly drawn around the town and lose the Thames-side villages
    Very astute point. 2) will be revealed by the boundary review. Watford, Hastings (possibly without Rye), MK and the like become competitive. A fair few more have majorities cut.
    That is even before 1).
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    kinabalu said:

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    Nick

    The national polling has very little relevance to local elections.

    Hartlepool - IF CON win then it is down to local factors, I am still calling a marginal LAB hold.

    London - everyone hates CON there. I am considering asking for a benefit as the last CON supporter there. Sadiq is massive. LAB possibly 11/14 of the constituency seats.

    West Midlands - looks like Street is safe

    Scotland - no one likes CON, LAB coming back well

    Wales - better for Drakeford than expected

    England local elections - CON on a high 2016, 2017 - LAB looking to come back, might not happen
    Are you availing yourself of some of the 6/1 for the Labour hold then?
    No - I don't do betting! :lol:

    If I am wrong (it has happened before) I will front it out on here Friday
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,328

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    Tbf I endured having to study Lord of the Flies at school and the sheer tedium of it still haunts me. Striking it from the reading list can only be a good thing imho.
    I had no idea To Kill A Mockingbird had been canceled because racist. Still. It saves me ever having to read it
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,526
    felix said:

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    It is a mystery - one possibility is that the national polls reflect public exasperation about Boris and money but this isn't going to show up in real votes. Another could be Labour piling up lots more votes where they aren't needed or alternativley denting the Tory leads in the southern shires. Most likley a combo of all3 and some others!
    Yes, perhaps. In my neck of Surrey Labour has been putting up a serious effort over the last two years (my turning up may have helped), gaining our first borough councillors since 2002 and I suspect getting 15-20% in our main target ward this year. That's irrelevant in Parliamentary terms, but of course there are places like Reading and Portsmouth which are seeing the same sort of shift over time.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    I live in Brentwood :smile:
    Don’t send your kids there


    ‘Brentwood alerted parents that at least one day of school would be starting late so that faculty could spend a morning discussing chapters of White Fragility.’

    lol
    This is in a similar bracket of concern to Trump saying neo-nazis included some "very fine people", or Johnson describing changes to the Brexit bill as the "surrender bill". There is a very pressing problem of ethnocultural ultra-polarisation.
    Yes there is and both of the polarised sides are as bad as each other but both are convinced of their own virtue above all else. It’s only going to get worse.
    Let the culture warriors form a homeland on the Isle of Man where they can luxuriate in their differences and enjoy mutual opprobrium for ever more. The rest of us can just get on with our lives.
    Brutally unnecessary and unkind.
    I've a very good mate on the Isle of Man.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    I live in Brentwood :smile:
    Don’t send your kids there


    ‘Brentwood alerted parents that at least one day of school would be starting late so that faculty could spend a morning discussing chapters of White Fragility.’

    lol
    This is in a similar bracket of concern to Trump saying neo-nazis included some "very fine people", or Johnson describing changes to the Brexit bill as the "surrender bill". There is a very pressing problem of ethnocultural ultra-polarisation.
    Yes there is and both of the polarised sides are as bad as each other but both are convinced of their own virtue above all else. It’s only going to get worse.
    Let the culture warriors form a homeland on the Isle of Man where they can luxuriate in their differences and enjoy mutual opprobrium for ever more. The rest of us can just get on with our lives.
    That’s what Twitter exists for.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    I wonder how many votes Labour is gaining in southern England.

    Its little noticed how much support Labour gained in safe Conservative areas in 2017 before losing it again in 2019.

    Now if the loss in 2019 was because of Corbyn or Brexit then the removal of the issues should see Labour able to regain those votes.

    Especially so if the impetus is from student debt or housing unaffordability - the numbers affected by each growing year by year.
    Survation at the weekend indeed had the Tories lead in the South down to just 7%, 42% to 35% for Labour with the LDs up to 13%.

    By contrast the best region for the Tories was the Midlands where the Tories led by 52% to 38% for Labour.

    In London Labour had a big lead of 22%, on 49% to 27% for the Tories

    https://cdn.survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/30202446/Survation-Daily-Mail-Politics-Poll-Tables.xlsx
    I live in Maidenhead, which has previously been a white town with a fairly small Muslim community (one mosque).

    In the last year I have definitely noticed a few more black families moving in (presumably from London).

    We have heard a lot of reports about the population of London dropping but less about where people are relocating to.

    I can see a scenario where Maidenhead becomes more competitive in the next 10-20 years

    1) The Borough are putting all the housing development in Maidenhead with huge numbers of flats (probably quite a lot of them rented)
    2) Due to population growth the seat will gradually become more tightly drawn around the town and lose the Thames-side villages
    Very astute point. 2) will be revealed by the boundary review. Watford, Hastings (possibly without Rye), MK and the like become competitive. A fair few more have majorities cut.
    That is even before 1).
    Hastings has long been competitive tbf. But your general point is a good one.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    I live in Brentwood :smile:
    Don’t send your kids there


    ‘Brentwood alerted parents that at least one day of school would be starting late so that faculty could spend a morning discussing chapters of White Fragility.’

    lol

    What’s on Earth is ‘white fragility’ ?
    A best selling book.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Fragility

    The concept is that white people are used to their position at the top of the social hierarchy, and feel threatened by social equality measures challenging their status.

    You may have seen some examples on here tonight. Male fragility and class fragility are similar.
    Thanks for the info.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Leon said:

    PB is at its most dull when posters from right and left proactively dig out extreme (yet atypical) examples of wokeism and prejudice. It adds zero value: Internet Rule 54 states the possibly of some organisation or individual somewhere behaving stupidly at any given time is precisely 1 in 1.

    If you think Wokeness in American education is ‘extreme and atypical’ you’re a halfwit. Soz
    Robert has just challenged you on it: he has the advantage of sending his own children to school in, erm, America. My niece and nephew also go to school in ... now let’s see ... America. Yet we’re supposed to be triggered by some random bloke on the internet who has found an example on Twitter after scouring the ‘threads’ for wokes under the yolk.

    LOL.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    Tbf I endured having to study Lord of the Flies at school and the sheer tedium of it still haunts me. Striking it from the reading list can only be a good thing imho.
    Not only that. But it has a terrible effect on generations believing it is how humans would behave in a state of nature.
    They don't.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,328
    Just realised Wokeness is great for Eng Lit students.

    Faced with a boring old book you HAVE to read? Dickens? Melville? Tolstoy? Just get it canceled because it’s ‘problematic’. Eventually you can whittle the curriculum down to ‘White Fragility’ and some exciting Latinx graffiti in East LA
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,156
    edited May 2021
    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    I live in Brentwood :smile:
    Don’t send your kids there


    ‘Brentwood alerted parents that at least one day of school would be starting late so that faculty could spend a morning discussing chapters of White Fragility.’

    lol

    What’s on Earth is ‘white fragility’ ?
    It's a term for white people who cannot discuss the concept of white privilege without having an emotional and intellectual meltdown.

    This forum is awash with it. You don't even need to be paying attention to see this.
    I don't think it's a useful concept at all, and I speak as someone who even has less problem with concepts like White Privilege. It's a kind of lazy ideological literalism that in its general emotional characterisation is also even racist, I would say.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,459
    I studied Lord of the Flies in school and look how woke I turned out
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    I live in Brentwood :smile:
    Don’t send your kids there


    ‘Brentwood alerted parents that at least one day of school would be starting late so that faculty could spend a morning discussing chapters of White Fragility.’

    lol
    This is in a similar bracket of concern to Trump saying neo-nazis included some "very fine people", or Johnson describing changes to the Brexit bill as the "surrender bill". There is a very pressing problem of ethnocultural ultra-polarisation.
    Yes there is and both of the polarised sides are as bad as each other but both are convinced of their own virtue above all else. It’s only going to get worse.
    Let the culture warriors form a homeland on the Isle of Man where they can luxuriate in their differences and enjoy mutual opprobrium for ever more. The rest of us can just get on with our lives.
    That’s what Twitter exists for.
    Too noisy for everyone else.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,607
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    felix said:

    Taz said:

    Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

    I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

    https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

    Extraordinary - if correct!
    So what, personal preference aside, do we make of the simultaneous narrowing of the national polls (leads of 5, 1, 1, 2) and the dramatic improvement for the Tories in all of Hartlepool, London and WM? It seems unlikely that either set of polls are all wrong. So:

    1. The Tories have suddenly become really good at campaigning? Where they're paying attention, they rocket upwards, but it doesn't affect the rest of the country?
    2. Labour is doing wonderfully somewhere else. Scotland? Wales?
    3. What?

    I wonder how many votes Labour is gaining in southern England.

    Its little noticed how much support Labour gained in safe Conservative areas in 2017 before losing it again in 2019.

    Now if the loss in 2019 was because of Corbyn or Brexit then the removal of the issues should see Labour able to regain those votes.

    Especially so if the impetus is from student debt or housing unaffordability - the numbers affected by each growing year by year.
    Survation at the weekend indeed had the Tories lead in the South down to just 7%, 42% to 35% for Labour with the LDs up to 13%.

    By contrast the best region for the Tories was the Midlands where the Tories led by 52% to 38% for Labour.

    In London Labour had a big lead of 22%, on 49% to 27% for the Tories

    https://cdn.survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/30202446/Survation-Daily-Mail-Politics-Poll-Tables.xlsx
    I live in Maidenhead, which has previously been a white town with a fairly small Muslim community (one mosque).

    In the last year I have definitely noticed a few more black families moving in (presumably from London).

    We have heard a lot of reports about the population of London dropping but less about where people are relocating to.

    I can see a scenario where Maidenhead becomes more competitive in the next 10-20 years

    1) The Borough are putting all the housing development in Maidenhead with huge numbers of flats (probably quite a lot of them rented)
    2) Due to population growth the seat will gradually become more tightly drawn around the town and lose the Thames-side villages
    Very astute point. 2) will be revealed by the boundary review. Watford, Hastings (possibly without Rye), MK and the like become competitive. A fair few more have majorities cut.
    That is even before 1).
    It certainly does happen.

    But the opposite can and does too - namely an urban centre becomes too big to be one constituency and is split in half with each half getting rural areas added to make up the numbers.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

    ‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

    ‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

    ‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

    Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

    You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.
    I believe the Right's creationism stuff is wrong.

    Will you condemn what is happening on the woke side in return?
    I absolutely condemn it.

    But - in Los Angeles public schools - it is invisible.

    Which makes me think (perhaps wrongly) that's it's probably exaggerated.
    The evidence is in. You’re wrong. Here’s a school in LA, private for sure, but I can give you plentiful proof this affects US state schools as well. The posh ones are just more newsworthy

    ‘In the year since Floyd’s murder, the atmosphere at this bucolic, super-exclusive, $38,000- to $45,000-a-year private LA school has only grown more poisonous, with some Brentwood alumni of color not only hurling accusations of racism but also demanding that the school completely scrap what they see as a biased curriculum. Meanwhile, parents, teachers, and administrators spent much of last summer and fall wrestling over the value of books like To Kill a Mockingbird—a civil rights classic to some; an outdated, problematic text to others—in what’s shaping up to be an epic battle over the hearts and minds of the children of America’s one percent.

    To be sure, scenes like this are not occurring only at Brentwood. Similar skirmishes are breaking out at elite prep schools all over—at Harvard-Westlake, Marlborough, and Archer School for Girls in L.A. and in New York at Chapin and Dalton—making headlines across the country in publications as ideologically divergent as the New York Post and The Atlantic. But it’s worth focusing on what’s going on at this particular school off West Sunset. Because it’s here at Brentwood that all the forces arrayed in this conflict—woke alumni who want to tear the system down; teachers who’ve had a hard enough time getting through the year on Zoom, let alone dealing with paradigm shifts in educational priorities; and angry, frustrated moms and dads who just want their kids to get into good colleges—are most dramatically and publicly clashing, like those stranded boys battling each other on a deserted island in Lord of the Flies, one of the novels Brentwood struck from reading lists last year.’

    https://apple.news/AK0JNXV1gRkG63EfxDQllfg
    Tbf I endured having to study Lord of the Flies at school and the sheer tedium of it still haunts me. Striking it from the reading list can only be a good thing imho.
    I had no idea To Kill A Mockingbird had been canceled because racist. Still. It saves me ever having to read it
    Fake news. But don't let the facts detract you from your Woke Watch, eh.
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  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,328

    Leon said:

    PB is at its most dull when posters from right and left proactively dig out extreme (yet atypical) examples of wokeism and prejudice. It adds zero value: Internet Rule 54 states the possibly of some organisation or individual somewhere behaving stupidly at any given time is precisely 1 in 1.

    If you think Wokeness in American education is ‘extreme and atypical’ you’re a halfwit. Soz
    Robert has just challenged you on it: he has the advantage of sending his own children to school in, erm, America. My niece and nephew also go to school in ... now let’s see ... America. Yet we’re supposed to be triggered by some random bloke on the internet who has found an example on Twitter after scouring the ‘threads’ for wokes under the yolk.

    LOL.
    Robert’s evidence consists of one child. He has adduced nothing other. And he got everything else wrong.

    I’ve posted articles from those notorious Trumpite organs the WSJ, the Atlantic, Los Angeles Magazine, etc etc I’ve referenced controversies and law suits and angry disputes across the country. I win. Also I’m right



    ‘The nation’s reckoning over race has reached thousands of U.S. schools, and so, too, has a conservative backlash.

    Schools across the country are working to address systemic racism and inject an anti-racist mind-set into campus life. But where advocates see racial progress, opponents see an effort to shame White teachers and sometimes students for being part of an oppressive system.’

    See that?

    ‘Thousands of US schools’.

    Hear that? It’s the unusual sound of a PB debate: ending.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/05/03/critical-race-theory-backlash/
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