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I’d like to see betting markets on how many MPs and MSPs defect to Alba by the end of May – politica

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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,355
    UK case summary

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    UK hospitals

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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    alex_ said:

    I think that what some people may be overlooking is that unlike last year, the Government are really keen to make the lifting of restrictions a NATIONAL unlocking. That means that it is mistaken to be looking at the national averages for those getting impatient, but you need to be looking at the slowest ships in the convoy.

    So basically you need to be watching the North East.
    By North East I take it you mean Yorkshire?
    I bloody hope so. 'Cos we've been in Tier 4 since September 18.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,355
    UK deaths

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    UK R

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    Age related data

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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,204
    Probably cost us 5 million AZ doses if we win this lol
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    dixiedean said:

    alex_ said:

    I think that what some people may be overlooking is that unlike last year, the Government are really keen to make the lifting of restrictions a NATIONAL unlocking. That means that it is mistaken to be looking at the national averages for those getting impatient, but you need to be looking at the slowest ships in the convoy.

    So basically you need to be watching the North East.
    By North East I take it you mean Yorkshire?
    I bloody hope so. 'Cos we've been in Tier 4 since September 18.
    September (20)18? That's impressive foresight!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,355
    edited March 2021
    Age related data scaled to 100K population per age group

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    UK vaccinations

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    England CFR

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  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    UK Local R

    Discontinued - the low level of cases means that local R now varies wildly with tiny handful of cases and is generally not meaningful

    Like the Orkneys and Shetlands have been since the start I guess.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    edited March 2021
    justin124 said:

    If things become very bitter between the SNP and ALBA, a significant number of supporters of the latter might well abstain from casting a vote in the constituency ballot - indeed a few may decide to support other parties out of spite!

    I still find it remarkable that two parties that hate each other viscerally at many levels are supposed to be a good thing for their common aim. It’s just weird.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,350
    Well done to her , those two gutless no users should be thankful Salmond is helping them out.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,830
    Pulpstar said:

    Probably cost us 5 million AZ doses if we win this lol

    I didn't know Albania have such influence.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Ridiculous law in ODI/T20 Cricket that Out reviewed becomes a dead ball not runs scored. England ran a run then, finger up after they'd ran, reviewed and it was never meant to be out.

    If you're going to make it a dead ball then you should have to rebowl the delivery, not void the run scored and lose a ball left.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,083
    Umpires in the cricket more bias than the French rugby ref.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,586

    Ridiculous law in ODI/T20 Cricket that Out reviewed becomes a dead ball not runs scored. England ran a run then, finger up after they'd ran, reviewed and it was never meant to be out.

    If you're going to make it a dead ball then you should have to rebowl the delivery, not void the run scored and lose a ball left.

    True. I wasn't aware of that law.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Andy_JS said:

    Ridiculous law in ODI/T20 Cricket that Out reviewed becomes a dead ball not runs scored. England ran a run then, finger up after they'd ran, reviewed and it was never meant to be out.

    If you're going to make it a dead ball then you should have to rebowl the delivery, not void the run scored and lose a ball left.

    True. I wasn't aware of that law.
    Me neither until the last ODI when it played in England's favour but at a less critical moment. Then it was given out LBW with the ball running to the ropes. Review shows the batsman nicked the ball so can't be LBW and should have been 4 runs but became dead ball instead.

    At this stage where ever ball counts a dot ball is a bonus for the fielders.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,355
    DougSeal said:

    UK Local R

    Discontinued - the low level of cases means that local R now varies wildly with tiny handful of cases and is generally not meaningful

    Like the Orkneys and Shetlands have been since the start I guess.
    I am kind of sad that no-one used it to launch a Daily Mail style BLOCKADE THE SHETLAND PLAGUE ISLANDS! thing
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Wood dropped with a dolly. Wow!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Curran dropped! Jeez.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Re- Hartlepool I see that S Markets now have Labour on 1.8 to back with the Tories at 2.2. How narrow a favourite does that make Labour?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,350
    DougSeal said:

    justin124 said:

    If things become very bitter between the SNP and ALBA, a significant number of supporters of the latter might well abstain from casting a vote in the constituency ballot - indeed a few may decide to support other parties out of spite!

    I still find it remarkable that two parties that hate each other viscerally at many levels are supposed to be a good thing for their common aim. It’s just weird.
    All down to Labour's crap voting system that was to ensure the independence supporters never got a majority, they did a grand job.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,851

    On topic, do we know whether Albion will contest the by-election?

    Perfidious?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,083

    Curran dropped! Jeez.

    Indian bookmarkers been on the phone?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Oh what a shame for that run out.

    Hope that gets you with England.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    UK Local R

    Discontinued - the low level of cases means that local R now varies wildly with tiny handful of cases and is generally not meaningful

    Like the Orkneys and Shetlands have been since the start I guess.
    I am kind of sad that no-one used it to launch a Daily Mail style BLOCKADE THE SHETLAND PLAGUE ISLANDS! thing
    I tried but it didn’t get traction
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,586

    Oh what a shame for that run out.

    Hope that gets you with England.

    Maybe a good thing that he slipped because he wouldn't have made it.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    justin124 said:

    Re- Hartlepool I see that S Markets now have Labour on 1.8 to back with the Tories at 2.2. How narrow a favourite does that make Labour?

    55/45

    I think they are worthy favs personally.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,586

    Andy_JS said:

    Ridiculous law in ODI/T20 Cricket that Out reviewed becomes a dead ball not runs scored. England ran a run then, finger up after they'd ran, reviewed and it was never meant to be out.

    If you're going to make it a dead ball then you should have to rebowl the delivery, not void the run scored and lose a ball left.

    True. I wasn't aware of that law.
    Me neither until the last ODI when it played in England's favour but at a less critical moment. Then it was given out LBW with the ball running to the ropes. Review shows the batsman nicked the ball so can't be LBW and should have been 4 runs but became dead ball instead.

    At this stage where ever ball counts a dot ball is a bonus for the fielders.
    Could cost England the game.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    So close! What an exciting finish.

    Shame for Curran he didn't get his century.

    Well played India.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ridiculous law in ODI/T20 Cricket that Out reviewed becomes a dead ball not runs scored. England ran a run then, finger up after they'd ran, reviewed and it was never meant to be out.

    If you're going to make it a dead ball then you should have to rebowl the delivery, not void the run scored and lose a ball left.

    True. I wasn't aware of that law.
    Me neither until the last ODI when it played in England's favour but at a less critical moment. Then it was given out LBW with the ball running to the ropes. Review shows the batsman nicked the ball so can't be LBW and should have been 4 runs but became dead ball instead.

    At this stage where ever ball counts a dot ball is a bonus for the fielders.
    Could cost England the game.
    Strange rule, but it is the same for both sides I guess. Exciting game anyway
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Magnificent performance in the Grand Prix.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,547
    I think that level of chutzpah required is beyond most politicians these days.

    I wonder what the evidence is for that brave proposition!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ridiculous law in ODI/T20 Cricket that Out reviewed becomes a dead ball not runs scored. England ran a run then, finger up after they'd ran, reviewed and it was never meant to be out.

    If you're going to make it a dead ball then you should have to rebowl the delivery, not void the run scored and lose a ball left.

    True. I wasn't aware of that law.
    Me neither until the last ODI when it played in England's favour but at a less critical moment. Then it was given out LBW with the ball running to the ropes. Review shows the batsman nicked the ball so can't be LBW and should have been 4 runs but became dead ball instead.

    At this stage where ever ball counts a dot ball is a bonus for the fielders.
    Could cost England the game.
    Indeed. Had that been a run, then he'd have had to have still gone for a yorker in the final delivery and a six would have sent it to a Super Over.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,083
    edited March 2021

    So close! What an exciting finish.

    Shame for Curran he didn't get his century.

    Well played India.

    I think they turned down too many singles. With 4 overs to go, I think you just have to trust Wood to get bat on ball / run to the keeper.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,355
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    UK Local R

    Discontinued - the low level of cases means that local R now varies wildly with tiny handful of cases and is generally not meaningful

    Like the Orkneys and Shetlands have been since the start I guess.
    I am kind of sad that no-one used it to launch a Daily Mail style BLOCKADE THE SHETLAND PLAGUE ISLANDS! thing
    I tried but it didn’t get traction
    Don't give up the day job :smiley:
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,586
    Spain are 1-0 down against Georgia in the world cup qualifier.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,599
    edited March 2021
    To anyone who sometimes watches the Grand Prix highlights, you’ll definitely want to watch this one!

    (Waves at @Morris_Dancer)

    Get in there, Sir Lewis!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,804
    Good evening, everyone.

    F1: writing the post-race ramble. Not a bad season opener.
  • malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    justin124 said:

    If things become very bitter between the SNP and ALBA, a significant number of supporters of the latter might well abstain from casting a vote in the constituency ballot - indeed a few may decide to support other parties out of spite!

    I still find it remarkable that two parties that hate each other viscerally at many levels are supposed to be a good thing for their common aim. It’s just weird.
    All down to Labour's crap voting system that was to ensure the independence supporters never got a majority, they did a grand job.
    The voting system was designed (by the LDs) to stop Labour winning a majority. The SNP (6 MPs in 1997) weren't a consideration.
    If Labour had had their way, the system would be like Wales, where no matter how badly Labour do, they always get the FM.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,547
    isam said:

    justin124 said:

    Re- Hartlepool I see that S Markets now have Labour on 1.8 to back with the Tories at 2.2. How narrow a favourite does that make Labour?

    55/45

    I think they are worthy favs personally.
    I feel in fact it is fairly uncomplicated: Labour won last time; Tories might have scraped it but for the third candidate; national polling since has moved to tighten the gap between labour and Tory from 11 points to 6; such polling as there is on red/blue wall area suggests a swing to Labour. A lot of the 'Get Brexit Done' vote both Brexit and Tory won't turn out. Labour will win but not by much and are rightly favourites. Personally happy if I am wrong, as Labour have not changed enough to deserve to hold the seat.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,922
    edited March 2021

    Good evening, everyone.

    F1: writing the post-race ramble. Not a bad season opener.

    Can't you just reuse any of the write-ups from last year? Or the last several years? Some cars drove round in circles for a bit and Lewis Hamilton won.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,804
    Mr. Sandpit, ha.

    Mr. JohnL, if I reused the writeup from the last race in Bahrain it'd include me having a 61 winning tip, which was not necessarily the case this time.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,725

    Good evening, everyone.

    F1: writing the post-race ramble. Not a bad season opener.

    Wolves roar muted?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,725

    Good evening, everyone.

    F1: writing the post-race ramble. Not a bad season opener.

    Wolves roar muted?
    Ignore that
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,725

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ridiculous law in ODI/T20 Cricket that Out reviewed becomes a dead ball not runs scored. England ran a run then, finger up after they'd ran, reviewed and it was never meant to be out.

    If you're going to make it a dead ball then you should have to rebowl the delivery, not void the run scored and lose a ball left.

    True. I wasn't aware of that law.
    Me neither until the last ODI when it played in England's favour but at a less critical moment. Then it was given out LBW with the ball running to the ropes. Review shows the batsman nicked the ball so can't be LBW and should have been 4 runs but became dead ball instead.

    At this stage where ever ball counts a dot ball is a bonus for the fielders.
    Could cost England the game.
    Indeed. Had that been a run, then he'd have had to have still gone for a yorker in the final delivery and a six would have sent it to a Super Over.
    Wolves roar muted?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,547
    malcolmg said:

    Well done to her , those two gutless no users should be thankful Salmond is helping them out.
    I wonder what the long silence from Kate Forbes can mean.

  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    algarkirk said:

    isam said:

    justin124 said:

    Re- Hartlepool I see that S Markets now have Labour on 1.8 to back with the Tories at 2.2. How narrow a favourite does that make Labour?

    55/45

    I think they are worthy favs personally.
    I feel in fact it is fairly uncomplicated: Labour won last time; Tories might have scraped it but for the third candidate; national polling since has moved to tighten the gap between labour and Tory from 11 points to 6; such polling as there is on red/blue wall area suggests a swing to Labour. A lot of the 'Get Brexit Done' vote both Brexit and Tory won't turn out. Labour will win but not by much and are rightly favourites. Personally happy if I am wrong, as Labour have not changed enough to deserve to hold the seat.
    Against that, is the local Tory Mayor is very popular, the Labour candidate was very anti-Brexit (and while the issue is gone, it still is important in the culture wars game) and we are on the way to a vaccine rollout. Add in that SKS doesn't seem to be enthusing the voters. I think it's more slight edge to the Tories.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    algarkirk said:

    isam said:

    justin124 said:

    Re- Hartlepool I see that S Markets now have Labour on 1.8 to back with the Tories at 2.2. How narrow a favourite does that make Labour?

    55/45

    I think they are worthy favs personally.
    I feel in fact it is fairly uncomplicated: Labour won last time; Tories might have scraped it but for the third candidate; national polling since has moved to tighten the gap between labour and Tory from 11 points to 6; such polling as there is on red/blue wall area suggests a swing to Labour. A lot of the 'Get Brexit Done' vote both Brexit and Tory won't turn out. Labour will win but not by much and are rightly favourites. Personally happy if I am wrong, as Labour have not changed enough to deserve to hold the seat.
    They are not actively trying to stop Brexit now, well they can't, so, despite the person most responsible for trying to throw what Hartlepool's voters wanted in the bin now being Labour's leader, I don't think they will hold enough of a grudge. Tice should stand aside IMO and leave it to the Tories - If Farage has given up, the Brexit fight is won
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,804
    Anyway, I'm off. Let's hope every race is that exciting (but more profitable) this season.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    For those wanting a clear-headed discussion of the AZN vaccine and CSVT, here is a good discussion article:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/03/rare-clotting-disorder-may-cloud-worlds-hopes-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine

    Summary, the jury is out, but the potential link and mechanism is credible, and in a world of multiple vaccines, the Macron approach might be right for AZN - hold it back for the crusties.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,355
    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    For those wanting a clear-headed discussion of the AZN vaccine and CSVT, here is a good discussion article:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/03/rare-clotting-disorder-may-cloud-worlds-hopes-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine

    Summary, the jury is out, but the potential link and mechanism is credible, and in a world of multiple vaccines, the Macron approach might be right for AZN - hold it back for the crusties.

    Wait.

    I thought AZ was "quasi-ineffective" for older people? Or is this a different Macron we're talking about.
    Different day, different Macaroons........
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    TimT said:

    For those wanting a clear-headed discussion of the AZN vaccine and CSVT, here is a good discussion article:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/03/rare-clotting-disorder-may-cloud-worlds-hopes-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine

    Summary, the jury is out, but the potential link and mechanism is credible, and in a world of multiple vaccines, the Macron approach might be right for AZN - hold it back for the crusties.

    I know I shouldn't laugh at them, but the initial decision to not use it on oldies really was fucking special.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    For those wanting a clear-headed discussion of the AZN vaccine and CSVT, here is a good discussion article:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/03/rare-clotting-disorder-may-cloud-worlds-hopes-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine

    Summary, the jury is out, but the potential link and mechanism is credible, and in a world of multiple vaccines, the Macron approach might be right for AZN - hold it back for the crusties.

    Wait.

    I thought AZ was "quasi-ineffective" for older people? Or is this a different Macron we're talking about.
    Well, we’ve always known that given the chance, he’ll screw older people.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,212
    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    For those wanting a clear-headed discussion of the AZN vaccine and CSVT, here is a good discussion article:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/03/rare-clotting-disorder-may-cloud-worlds-hopes-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine

    Summary, the jury is out, but the potential link and mechanism is credible, and in a world of multiple vaccines, the Macron approach might be right for AZN - hold it back for the crusties.

    Wait.

    I thought AZ was "quasi-ineffective" for older people? Or is this a different Macron we're talking about.
    Of course.
    Macron remains a self regarding fool, but the current scientific discussion of a possible rare clotting side effect is entirely appropriate, however inconvenient.

    Particularly as it might be readily treatable.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    For those wanting a clear-headed discussion of the AZN vaccine and CSVT, here is a good discussion article:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/03/rare-clotting-disorder-may-cloud-worlds-hopes-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine

    Summary, the jury is out, but the potential link and mechanism is credible, and in a world of multiple vaccines, the Macron approach might be right for AZN - hold it back for the crusties.

    Wait.

    I thought AZ was "quasi-ineffective" for older people? Or is this a different Macron we're talking about.
    Of course.
    Macron remains a self regarding fool, but the current scientific discussion of a possible rare clotting side effect is entirely appropriate, however inconvenient.

    Particularly as it might be readily treatable.
    I've been asking myself, "would I (a 34 year old male) accept the AZ vaccine right now?" Yes, if I was told that I should have it, but I'm not too upset that I don't have to worry about it right now.

    But then I'm not scared of COVID...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,207
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    For those wanting a clear-headed discussion of the AZN vaccine and CSVT, here is a good discussion article:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/03/rare-clotting-disorder-may-cloud-worlds-hopes-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine

    Summary, the jury is out, but the potential link and mechanism is credible, and in a world of multiple vaccines, the Macron approach might be right for AZN - hold it back for the crusties.

    Wait.

    I thought AZ was "quasi-ineffective" for older people? Or is this a different Macron we're talking about.
    Of course.
    Macron remains a self regarding fool, but the current scientific discussion of a possible rare clotting side effect is entirely appropriate, however inconvenient.

    Particularly as it might be readily treatable.
    Fair point.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,212
    isam said:
    Whether or not it was based on him (unlikely), I always Peter Walker was a fairly close analogue to Jim Hacker.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,477
    The capabilities of the Queen piece in chess are definitely an example of female liberation, because originally the Queen had a much more limited set of moves, and the newer version was mocked as the 'mad Queen' version till everyone realised it was more fun, and switched over. So I'd say calling it sexist (against women) is a definite misread.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    For those wanting a clear-headed discussion of the AZN vaccine and CSVT, here is a good discussion article:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/03/rare-clotting-disorder-may-cloud-worlds-hopes-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine

    Summary, the jury is out, but the potential link and mechanism is credible, and in a world of multiple vaccines, the Macron approach might be right for AZN - hold it back for the crusties.

    Wait.

    I thought AZ was "quasi-ineffective" for older people? Or is this a different Macron we're talking about.
    Of course.
    Macron remains a self regarding fool, but the current scientific discussion of a possible rare clotting side effect is entirely appropriate, however inconvenient.

    Particularly as it might be readily treatable.
    The issue I have is with the recommendation to limit use. That sort of statement from random scientists just creates doubt and weapons for the anti-vaxxers.

    The decision whether to use AZ for older or all people depends entirely on the population of a country, options they have available etc.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    Meanwhile. Thinking of Macron, a forgotten crisis is getting steadily worse:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lebanon-crisis-scenario-idUSKBN2BI1YY
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    Nigelb said:

    isam said:
    Whether or not it was based on him (unlikely), I always Peter Walker was a fairly close analogue to Jim Hacker.
    He was apparently actually based on George Brown.

    Improbable though that may seem.

    Both the DAA and the Qumrani Embassy plot were based on Brown’s DEA and an unfortunate incident in Karachi.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Floater said:
    This is literally the plot of the Battlestar Galactica reboot of 2003
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,207
    Needs to be scaled for population, but otherwise, I agree.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,234
    edited March 2021

    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    For those wanting a clear-headed discussion of the AZN vaccine and CSVT, here is a good discussion article:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/03/rare-clotting-disorder-may-cloud-worlds-hopes-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine

    Summary, the jury is out, but the potential link and mechanism is credible, and in a world of multiple vaccines, the Macron approach might be right for AZN - hold it back for the crusties.

    Wait.

    I thought AZ was "quasi-ineffective" for older people? Or is this a different Macron we're talking about.
    Different day, different Macaroons........
    Brilliant - I like that.

    An escapee from a Jacques Tati film.

    Update: even better the French is Macaron.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429
    This c*nting weather
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,212
    Charles said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    For those wanting a clear-headed discussion of the AZN vaccine and CSVT, here is a good discussion article:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/03/rare-clotting-disorder-may-cloud-worlds-hopes-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine

    Summary, the jury is out, but the potential link and mechanism is credible, and in a world of multiple vaccines, the Macron approach might be right for AZN - hold it back for the crusties.

    Wait.

    I thought AZ was "quasi-ineffective" for older people? Or is this a different Macron we're talking about.
    Of course.
    Macron remains a self regarding fool, but the current scientific discussion of a possible rare clotting side effect is entirely appropriate, however inconvenient.

    Particularly as it might be readily treatable.
    The issue I have is with the recommendation to limit use. That sort of statement from random scientists just creates doubt and weapons for the anti-vaxxers.

    The decision whether to use AZ for older or all people depends entirely on the population of a country, options they have available etc.
    I agree.
    But discussion should be out in the open. Trying to shut it down is counterproductive.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,234
    isam said:
    Can anyone come up with a *beast* of a question?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,355
    edited March 2021
    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    For those wanting a clear-headed discussion of the AZN vaccine and CSVT, here is a good discussion article:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/03/rare-clotting-disorder-may-cloud-worlds-hopes-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine

    Summary, the jury is out, but the potential link and mechanism is credible, and in a world of multiple vaccines, the Macron approach might be right for AZN - hold it back for the crusties.

    Wait.

    I thought AZ was "quasi-ineffective" for older people? Or is this a different Macron we're talking about.
    Different day, different Macaroons........
    Brilliant - I like that.

    An escapee from a Jacques Tati film.

    Update: even better the French is Macaron.
    It helps to laugh.....

    I must re-watch the Life Aquatic.....
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    What Jim Hacker is doing now?

    Sadly I'd have assumed Hacker would be dead by now.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,893
    Evening all :)

    Crunching some numbers from the vaccination update to 25th March.

    In Newham, 78.2% of 75-79 year olds and 78.1% of those aged 80+ have received a first vaccination so that's an improvement. 59% of all adults over 50 have received a first vaccination.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,355
    rcs1000 said:

    Needs to be scaled for population, but otherwise, I agree.
    The problem then is scaling to actual cases - different testing regimes etc, no ONS style surveys....
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,355
    MattW said:

    isam said:
    Can anyone come up with a *beast* of a question?
    Ask him about VAT returns.....
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    I ❤️ B S T
  • MaffewMaffew Posts: 235
    Leon said:

    This c*nting weather

    I was doing karate in the park, as I do every Sunday morning, and the wind was so strong it was quite difficult to keep my balance at times.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Leon said:

    This c*nting weather

    ...


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    edited March 2021

    What Jim Hacker is doing now?

    Sadly I'd have assumed Hacker would be dead by now.

    In a spoof obituary for Politico’s Book of the Dead written by Jay and Lynn, Hacker was given the same dates of birth and death as Paul Eddington.

    The novelisations also said he was dead by 2022 (‘the bell rang for the Last Division’).

    Although they said Bernard Woolley was still alive in 2024 and as we know, sadly Derek Fowlds isn’t.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,083
    Floater said:
    They should have just gone Chinese, would have been cheaper and superior....
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Leon said:

    This c*nting weather

    It will be well into the 70s in old money in the next few days. Keep the faith.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    edited March 2021
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    This c*nting weather

    ...


    Absolute rubbish. The snow won’t happen. The warm weather this week will, though.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    Maffew said:

    Leon said:

    This c*nting weather

    I was doing karate in the park, as I do every Sunday morning, and the wind was so strong it was quite difficult to keep my balance at times.
    Every cloud...we’ve generated 40%+ of our electricity from wind all day today. That must be if not the first, one of the first times of doing so when demand wasn’t unusually low.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,586
    "Mexican government admits the country’s true Covid death toll is 321,059 - almost 60% higher than previously reported"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9411609/Mexicos-true-COVID-19-death-toll-stands-321-000.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,083
    edited March 2021

    I ❤️ B S T

    Is that a k-pop band? ;-)
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Andy_JS said:

    "Mexican government admits the country’s true Covid death toll is 321,059 - almost 60% higher than previously reported"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9411609/Mexicos-true-COVID-19-death-toll-stands-321-000.html

    You'll never get that honesty from Russia.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Maffew said:

    Leon said:

    This c*nting weather

    I was doing karate in the park, as I do every Sunday morning, and the wind was so strong it was quite difficult to keep my balance at times.
    Just normal early springtime variations. No need for drama.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,204

    Leon said:

    This c*nting weather

    It will be well into the 70s in old money in the next few days. Keep the faith.
    Where ? Seeing 60s and dry, though a bit windy tommorow which will be OK as we have the in laws round the garden. But not 70s.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Andy_JS said:

    "Mexican government admits the country’s true Covid death toll is 321,059 - almost 60% higher than previously reported"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9411609/Mexicos-true-COVID-19-death-toll-stands-321-000.html

    Blimey, but fair play to them for doing further analysis. We might get a few more of these.
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