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    XtrainXtrain Posts: 337
    alex_ said:

    eek said:

    Really?

    France’s vaccination rollout will have caught up with the UK’s “in a few weeks”, the country’s president Emmanuel Macron has said amid tensions over vaccine supplies.

    At present, 11.45% of French people have received at least one vaccine, compared with 43.79% of Britons.

    However, Macron told Le Journal du Dimanche newspaper that France had significantly stepped up the pace of its vaccine drive and said the UK’s rollout would slow down soon.

    “In a few weeks we will have completely caught up with the British, who will meanwhile be increasingly dependent on us to vaccinate their population,” he said, referring to AstraZeneca supplies produced in the EU.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/mar/28/coronavirus-live-news-germany-risks-losing-control-of-covid-brazil-deaths-top-3000-for-second-day?page=with:block-606084398f08774d1beac794#block-606084398f08774d1beac794

    That's just embarrassing. As of today, we're about to hit 50 doses per 100; France is closing in on 15...
    And they've got other problems
    If you look at the detail of France's numbers, it's unbelievable that Macron is still dithering about a lockdown while boasting about their position vis-à-vis the UK.
    Can anyone please explain why France's death toll is so relatively low, considering they've had more cases than the UK?

    Is it that their healthcare system has done better than the NHS?

    Or have the demographics of the cases been different?
    Lies, damned lies and statistics.

    Basically the only figure that you can trust for cross country comparisons will be excess deaths.
    That was my first guess but France's excess death toll matches their official one too, so that doesn't answer it: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

    Its very puzzling, France genuinely seems to have a much lower CFR than the UK and I've no idea why.
    Maybe they normally have huge numbers of people dying from flu, so their excess deaths don't look so bad by its disappearance this year...
    Wasn't there some speculation that smoking offered some protection. They all seem to be smokers in the French films I've seen!
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    ChelyabinskChelyabinsk Posts: 488
    edited March 2021

    I'm surprised nobody has yet objected to Snooker as being racist: A white ball being used to knock about all the coloured balls, with bonus points for getting black down as often as you can.

    Chess is an obvious target. White always moves first, black second.
    You're two years late on that.

    World chess champion Magnus Carlsen and Dutch rival Anish Giri are marking a U.N. international campaign against racism by playing a game in which contrary to the longstanding rules of the game the player with the black pieces made the first move.

    A video of the encounter was released this week on Mr. Carlsen’s Facebook page. The players said the game was being played as a “symbolic gesture” to mark the U.N.’s International Day for the Elimination of Racism March 21...

    A U.N. website, Moveforequality.com, said it did not mean to imply that the modern rule was racist in origin. But it said a symbolic switch between two of the world’s greatest players carrier symbolic weight.


    There is no satire which wokeness will not eventually overtake.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited March 2021
    JonathanD said:

    Floater said:
    Defacto they must have otherwise there would be no nonsense about 'April being 2nd dose month'. They would have shipped them to the UK and kept vaccinating the +40s.
    ~12 million second doses are needed through April.

    That's 3 million a week nearly, 400k daily average, just for second doses.
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    andypetukandypetuk Posts: 69
    ydoethur said:

    I'm surprised nobody has yet objected to Snooker as being racist: A white ball being used to knock about all the coloured balls, with bonus points for getting black down as often as you can.

    Chess is an obvious target. White always moves first, black second.
    Very sexist as well. Only female piece is the Queen (assuming that’s not the only gay character, of course) and she has to do all the work and yet is much less important than the King.
    What sex are the Bishops, Rooks and Pawns?
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    ydoethur said:

    I'm surprised nobody has yet objected to Snooker as being racist: A white ball being used to knock about all the coloured balls, with bonus points for getting black down as often as you can.

    Chess is an obvious target. White always moves first, black second.
    Very sexist as well. Only female piece is the Queen (assuming that’s not the only gay character, of course) and she has to do all the work and yet is much less important than the King.
    That in itself is a sexist interpretation. Why can't women be knights, bishops and footsoldiers too?

    You will have to be cancelled, I'm afraid.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181
    edited March 2021

    I'm surprised nobody has yet objected to Snooker as being racist: A white ball being used to knock about all the coloured balls, with bonus points for getting black down as often as you can.

    Chess is an obvious target. White always moves first, black second.
    You're two years late on that.

    World chess champion Magnus Carlsen and Dutch rival Anish Giri are marking a U.N. international campaign against racism by playing a game in which contrary to the longstanding rules of the game the player with the black pieces made the first move.

    A video of the encounter was released this week on Mr. Carlsen’s Facebook page. The players said the game was being played as a “symbolic gesture” to mark the U.N.’s International Day for the Elimination of Racism March 21...

    A U.N. website, Moveforequality.com, said it did not mean to imply that the modern rule was racist in origin. But it said a symbolic switch between two of the world’s greatest players carrier symbolic weight.


    There is no satire which wokeness will not eventually overtake.
    Confuse everyone. Play with a glass set - frosted and clear.

    I’ve still never worked out which of those is ‘white.’
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612
    New cases stopped going up:


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    Xtrain said:

    alex_ said:

    eek said:

    Really?

    France’s vaccination rollout will have caught up with the UK’s “in a few weeks”, the country’s president Emmanuel Macron has said amid tensions over vaccine supplies.

    At present, 11.45% of French people have received at least one vaccine, compared with 43.79% of Britons.

    However, Macron told Le Journal du Dimanche newspaper that France had significantly stepped up the pace of its vaccine drive and said the UK’s rollout would slow down soon.

    “In a few weeks we will have completely caught up with the British, who will meanwhile be increasingly dependent on us to vaccinate their population,” he said, referring to AstraZeneca supplies produced in the EU.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/mar/28/coronavirus-live-news-germany-risks-losing-control-of-covid-brazil-deaths-top-3000-for-second-day?page=with:block-606084398f08774d1beac794#block-606084398f08774d1beac794

    That's just embarrassing. As of today, we're about to hit 50 doses per 100; France is closing in on 15...
    And they've got other problems
    If you look at the detail of France's numbers, it's unbelievable that Macron is still dithering about a lockdown while boasting about their position vis-à-vis the UK.
    Can anyone please explain why France's death toll is so relatively low, considering they've had more cases than the UK?

    Is it that their healthcare system has done better than the NHS?

    Or have the demographics of the cases been different?
    Lies, damned lies and statistics.

    Basically the only figure that you can trust for cross country comparisons will be excess deaths.
    That was my first guess but France's excess death toll matches their official one too, so that doesn't answer it: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

    Its very puzzling, France genuinely seems to have a much lower CFR than the UK and I've no idea why.
    Maybe they normally have huge numbers of people dying from flu, so their excess deaths don't look so bad by its disappearance this year...
    Wasn't there some speculation that smoking offered some protection. They all seem to be smokers in the French films I've seen!
    I would have thought eating garlic encouraged social distancing.
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400

    JonathanD said:

    Floater said:
    Defacto they must have otherwise there would be no nonsense about 'April being 2nd dose month'. They would have shipped them to the UK and kept vaccinating the +40s.
    ~12 million second doses are needed through April.

    That's 3 million a week nearly, 400k daily average, just for second doses.
    50% at least Pfizer though, so only 6m AZ needed. Halix is meant to have 5m AZ doses contracted for UK on site plus whatever our domestic production is, so we really should have enough for more 1st doses as well as second unless we can't import the EU ones.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181
    andypetuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm surprised nobody has yet objected to Snooker as being racist: A white ball being used to knock about all the coloured balls, with bonus points for getting black down as often as you can.

    Chess is an obvious target. White always moves first, black second.
    Very sexist as well. Only female piece is the Queen (assuming that’s not the only gay character, of course) and she has to do all the work and yet is much less important than the King.
    What sex are the Bishops, Rooks and Pawns?
    Bishops were all male until a couple of years ago. So that’s not hard to work out.

    Rooks represent either siege towers or charioteers, depending on which source you consult.

    Pawns are foot soldiers. Again, masculine.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Mazepin really having a shocker of a debut F1 race. Spun twice in qualifying, out on the first lap of the race!
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,036
    Brillo eliminating last shrewd of doubt that he’s a vulgar, boorish snob. Looking forward to comment from Sir John Curtice, PBUH.

    https://twitter.com/eamonnoneill/status/1376173936455647235?s=21
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    No, we are dependent from plants in the EU who we have legal contracts with.

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    FossFoss Posts: 694
    JonathanD said:

    JonathanD said:

    Floater said:
    Defacto they must have otherwise there would be no nonsense about 'April being 2nd dose month'. They would have shipped them to the UK and kept vaccinating the +40s.
    ~12 million second doses are needed through April.

    That's 3 million a week nearly, 400k daily average, just for second doses.
    50% at least Pfizer though, so only 6m AZ needed. Halix is meant to have 5m AZ doses contracted for UK on site plus whatever our domestic production is, so we really should have enough for more 1st doses as well as second unless we can't import the EU ones.
    We gave out very little Pfizer during the first half of the month; either we didn't get any or they're hoarding it for second jabs.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    JonathanD said:

    JonathanD said:

    Floater said:
    Defacto they must have otherwise there would be no nonsense about 'April being 2nd dose month'. They would have shipped them to the UK and kept vaccinating the +40s.
    ~12 million second doses are needed through April.

    That's 3 million a week nearly, 400k daily average, just for second doses.
    50% at least Pfizer though, so only 6m AZ needed. Halix is meant to have 5m AZ doses contracted for UK on site plus whatever our domestic production is, so we really should have enough for more 1st doses as well as second unless we can't import the EU ones.
    The whole story of Halix is odd. What makes you think 5m due for the UK is sat there?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612

    Really?

    France’s vaccination rollout will have caught up with the UK’s “in a few weeks”, the country’s president Emmanuel Macron has said amid tensions over vaccine supplies.

    At present, 11.45% of French people have received at least one vaccine, compared with 43.79% of Britons.

    However, Macron told Le Journal du Dimanche newspaper that France had significantly stepped up the pace of its vaccine drive and said the UK’s rollout would slow down soon.

    “In a few weeks we will have completely caught up with the British, who will meanwhile be increasingly dependent on us to vaccinate their population,” he said, referring to AstraZeneca supplies produced in the EU.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/mar/28/coronavirus-live-news-germany-risks-losing-control-of-covid-brazil-deaths-top-3000-for-second-day?page=with:block-606084398f08774d1beac794#block-606084398f08774d1beac794

    That's just embarrassing. As of today, we're about to hit 50 doses per 100; France is closing in on 15...
    And they've got other problems
    If you look at the detail of France's numbers, it's unbelievable that Macron is still dithering about a lockdown while boasting about their position vis-à-vis the UK.
    The WHO benchmark for a pandemic under control is a case positivity rate below 5% - where the UK has been since Jan 27 this year and where France has never been this year:



    Indeed, except for a dip over Christmas (Dec 18 - 31) France has been above 5% since mid-September 2020
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Floater said:

    No, we are dependent from plants in the EU who we have legal contracts with.

    It's amazing they can't seem to distinguish between a private company in the EU and the EU itself.
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977
    Just watching the F1 - is Mazepin one of the worse drivers ever to grace the sport
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    andypetukandypetuk Posts: 69
    ydoethur said:

    andypetuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm surprised nobody has yet objected to Snooker as being racist: A white ball being used to knock about all the coloured balls, with bonus points for getting black down as often as you can.

    Chess is an obvious target. White always moves first, black second.
    Very sexist as well. Only female piece is the Queen (assuming that’s not the only gay character, of course) and she has to do all the work and yet is much less important than the King.
    What sex are the Bishops, Rooks and Pawns?
    Bishops were all male until a couple of years ago. So that’s not hard to work out.

    Rooks represent either siege towers or charioteers, depending on which source you consult.

    Pawns are foot soldiers. Again, masculine.
    So in other words, Bishops can be either. Footsoldiers can be either. Seige towers are neither.

    So not so sexist after all.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181
    edited March 2021
    andypetuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    andypetuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm surprised nobody has yet objected to Snooker as being racist: A white ball being used to knock about all the coloured balls, with bonus points for getting black down as often as you can.

    Chess is an obvious target. White always moves first, black second.
    Very sexist as well. Only female piece is the Queen (assuming that’s not the only gay character, of course) and she has to do all the work and yet is much less important than the King.
    What sex are the Bishops, Rooks and Pawns?
    Bishops were all male until a couple of years ago. So that’s not hard to work out.

    Rooks represent either siege towers or charioteers, depending on which source you consult.

    Pawns are foot soldiers. Again, masculine.
    So in other words, Bishops can be either. Footsoldiers can be either. Seige towers are neither.

    So not so sexist after all.
    Okaaaaay....

    Is this some kind of super-woke thinking I’ve not come across before?
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 3,970

    I'm surprised nobody has yet objected to Snooker as being racist: A white ball being used to knock about all the coloured balls, with bonus points for getting black down as often as you can.

    If university staff read PB, they will already be removing billiard tables from Student Unions.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Moeen Ali doing his usual...easy 30...and out.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,915

    Brillo eliminating last shrewd of doubt that he’s a vulgar, boorish snob. Looking forward to comment from Sir John Curtice, PBUH.

    https://twitter.com/eamonnoneill/status/1376173936455647235?s=21

    Anyone deflecting by using "She's not a Labour MP" deserves all they get
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    95 needed from last 15 overs would seem quite simple for England if we weren't already 7 wickets down.

    The wickets are going to cost us this game.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,952
    edited March 2021
    What about Go?
    Black always gets to go first. But white gets a 6.5 or 7.5 point start.
    I'm sure someone could stretch a tenuous political point out of that.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    https://twitter.com/kenanmalik/status/1375369902719172609

    Read the entire thread very interesting

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    Floater said:

    No, we are dependent from plants in the EU who we have legal contracts with.

    I am greatly saddened that Macron and French politicians seem to want the UK to fail to justify in their eyes that they have not done anything untoward in the way they have behaved
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2021

    95 needed from last 15 overs would seem quite simple for England if we weren't already 7 wickets down.

    The wickets are going to cost us this game.

    Its England approach...its all or nothing. When it comes off they chase down 300+ with ease. I think this is where we miss Root, as steadying influence. Stokes is not the right man to come in 3.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065
    JonathanD said:

    JonathanD said:

    Floater said:
    Defacto they must have otherwise there would be no nonsense about 'April being 2nd dose month'. They would have shipped them to the UK and kept vaccinating the +40s.
    ~12 million second doses are needed through April.

    That's 3 million a week nearly, 400k daily average, just for second doses.
    50% at least Pfizer though, so only 6m AZ needed. Halix is meant to have 5m AZ doses contracted for UK on site plus whatever our domestic production is, so we really should have enough for more 1st doses as well as second unless we can't import the EU ones.
    Who said first doses are going to stop ???

    The emphasis will be on second doses during April but I'll be amazed if there aren't some first doses every day.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181

    Just watching the F1 - is Mazepin one of the worse drivers ever to grace the sport

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Rosset
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065
    New cases 3,862
    Last Sunday 5,312

    New deaths 19
    Last Sunday 33

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2021
    Floater said:

    https://twitter.com/kenanmalik/status/1375369902719172609

    Read the entire thread very interesting

    One point missing from that. All reports are that this material has been covered at the school previously and they make it very clear they are about to show material that some might find very offensive and may excuse themselves.

    It isn't that they are doing a lesson and they just whack a powerpoint slide with it on out of the blue.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,137
    edited March 2021

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1376138247487647746?s=19

    I saw this and thought, really, come on, £2/hr....and of course its horseshit. I actually think the likes of Deliveroo approach is unfair in the sense of it is quite opaque how much you will make given it is a combination of different amounts per order, different multiplers and bonus "quests"...but campaigners don't do themselves any favours with repeating total bollocks.

    If somebody was really only getting £2/hr, they wouldn't be doing this, would they...like come on.

    What the BIJ idiots don't understand is a) log in / out of an app doesn't equal time working and b) most people deliver for multiple apps at the same time, so they are logged in, but actively rejecting jobs from one as they are busy on a different job.

    The push for a guaranteed minimum wage might actually cut pay if you can't multi-app, which I think might be the solution these companies go down.

    I really wouldn't want to agree with Corbyn over anything, least of all his spurious statistics. If Corbyn spelled the story out without embellishing it with his fantasy figures, he probably has a point and gig economy drivers look increasingly like Victorian mill workers in both their rates of pay and terms and conditions.

    I suspect it would be nigh on impossible to spend all day posting on PB from one's Deliveroo scooter- see what I mean about terms and conditions!
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400

    Brillo eliminating last shrewd of doubt that he’s a vulgar, boorish snob. Looking forward to comment from Sir John Curtice, PBUH.

    https://twitter.com/eamonnoneill/status/1376173936455647235?s=21

    Andrew Neil went to Glasgow uni so better to understand it as intra City rivalry rather than some deep truth.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    alex_ said:

    ydoethur said:

    I'm surprised nobody has yet objected to Snooker as being racist: A white ball being used to knock about all the coloured balls, with bonus points for getting black down as often as you can.

    Chess is an obvious target. White always moves first, black second.
    Very sexist as well. Only female piece is the Queen (assuming that’s not the only gay character, of course) and she has to do all the work and yet is much less important than the King.
    That's one interpretation. Other is that the Queen is by far the most powerful piece, whereas the King is basically a weakling that needs protecting because it is too dangerous for him to head out into the world on his own.
    Correct - there is a wonderful old ballet from the great Ninette de Valois - called Checkmate - perfectly illustrating the power and dominance of the Black Queen!



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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Summary

    So, that’s what’s in them and how they work. In the Oxford/Astrazeneca one, it’s that adenovector, in lipids (fats, basically) with a couple of amino acids, sucrose (literally sugar), sodium chloride (literally salt, to make it similar to your body salt levels, I guess), water, an adjuvant, and an emulsifier to mix it together (you’ve already consumed plenty of that emulsifier, I’d guess, it’s used in plenty of foods and cosmetics).

    The vaccines change the goalposts on the virus by causing the Mode 2 adaptive system to be ready before infection. The virus may think that’s being unfair, but who cares about being fair to a virus?

    If antibodies are circulating at a high enough level, the virus gets nowhere and you are a sterile environment to it. No infection, no transmission; tough to be a virus today. If these have dropped a bit, or if the virus manages to mutate the spike a bit to make the antibodies less effective, it may get into cells again, but with all the epitopes the T-cells have available, it’ll have a massive challenge getting further than either asymptomatic infection or the sniffle stage. And your B-cells will be adapting the recipe pretty quickly. Goodbye virus pretty quickly, and without building to high viral loads or hanging around very long, its opportunities to spread beyond you get sharply curtailed.

    The Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine is an “adenovector” version (as are Johnson & Johnson, and Sputnik) that puts a counterfeit into you that so resembles the virus (but without the bad bits) that your Mode 2 system gets ready. The Novavax uses a protein-based version, and Pfizer and Moderna are the mp3 version. And as they’ve been carefully designed to present the perfect proteins for a really good response (including a mix of epitopes and different views of the spike), your B-cells don’t have much trial-and-error to do; they’ll have a certified effective output immediately, as will your T-cells.

    The reason you may feel crappy for a while is the adjuvant which blares the alarm and causes your Mode 1 immunity to briefly kick in.

    That’s about it. Oh, and these vaccines were all trialed in depth to see if the immune system (or the rest of your body) went ‘tilt’ for some reason (immune systems are complex) and passed in-depth safety trials. And as the immune response is pretty quick, it’s very rare for a bad side-effect to materialise months or years down the line – because it makes changes quickly or not at all. Not impossible, of course – the immune system is very complex – but I’ve not seen any immunologist worry about it due to how hugely unlikely it is. Compared to the chances of long-term bad side effects from the virus itself, it’s hardly even on the same planet.
    (5/5)

    That’s good (although long as you know). I think you underplay the memory B cells though which are really important.

    I think of it as a bit like going round town nailing “wanted” posters on the wall so that next time the virus turns up it gets recognised that much quicker
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,150
    RobD said:

    Floater said:

    No, we are dependent from plants in the EU who we have legal contracts with.

    It's amazing they can't seem to distinguish between a private company in the EU and the EU itself.
    All your base are belong to us.

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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    I wonder if we might see single digit deaths reported tomorrow? Was 17 Monday this week.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Given how much they've been complaining about lack of exports from the UK, one can only conclude that the EU vaccine strategy is dependent on the UK as well!



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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,178

    eek said:

    Really?

    France’s vaccination rollout will have caught up with the UK’s “in a few weeks”, the country’s president Emmanuel Macron has said amid tensions over vaccine supplies.

    At present, 11.45% of French people have received at least one vaccine, compared with 43.79% of Britons.

    However, Macron told Le Journal du Dimanche newspaper that France had significantly stepped up the pace of its vaccine drive and said the UK’s rollout would slow down soon.

    “In a few weeks we will have completely caught up with the British, who will meanwhile be increasingly dependent on us to vaccinate their population,” he said, referring to AstraZeneca supplies produced in the EU.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/mar/28/coronavirus-live-news-germany-risks-losing-control-of-covid-brazil-deaths-top-3000-for-second-day?page=with:block-606084398f08774d1beac794#block-606084398f08774d1beac794

    That's just embarrassing. As of today, we're about to hit 50 doses per 100; France is closing in on 15...
    And they've got other problems
    If you look at the detail of France's numbers, it's unbelievable that Macron is still dithering about a lockdown while boasting about their position vis-à-vis the UK.
    Can anyone please explain why France's death toll is so relatively low, considering they've had more cases than the UK?

    Is it that their healthcare system has done better than the NHS?

    Or have the demographics of the cases been different?
    Lies, damned lies and statistics.

    Basically the only figure that you can trust for cross country comparisons will be excess deaths.
    That was my first guess but France's excess death toll matches their official one too, so that doesn't answer it: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

    Its very puzzling, France genuinely seems to have a much lower CFR than the UK and I've no idea why.
    Pre-pandemic I believe the French health system was one that was often the cause of envious glances from across the channel. There's more than a little evidence that the NHS was overwhelmed during both the spring 2020 and winter 2021 peaks, which would naturally result in more deaths than had the NHS been able to provide the best treatment to every patient.

    I assume that France started with higher ICU capacity, which would have meant that it is easier for them to stay within that capacity.

    That seems like an obvious explanation - the UK/France comparison might end up being the case study in the consequences of not staying within your health service capacity.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    TOPPING said:

    I think a note of caution is needed here.

    Our case rates/deaths/hospitalisations are all super low which is great. Our vaccine programme is heading to the moon.

    Meanwhile we point our fingers and laugh at the EU countries with their spiralling case rates and new lockdowns.

    However. We have been locked down for three months. Nothing open. Nothing allowed. Virtually. I don't think this has been the case in most of Europe.

    Vaccine efficacy is somewhere over 90%. That means that when we come out of lockdown, plenty of people will get this disease.

    The two things that are giving me some degree of comfort are Israel and schools having been back without an explosion of cases.

    The Spanish lockdown has lasted almost as long and is in many ways more severe than the rules in the UK, eg - obligatory masks everywhere and you can get fined for not storing them safely in your car!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914
    Feels like we're heading back towards a true reduction in cases again after holding steady for a bit

    https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1376188588904308737
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2021

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1376138247487647746?s=19

    I saw this and thought, really, come on, £2/hr....and of course its horseshit. I actually think the likes of Deliveroo approach is unfair in the sense of it is quite opaque how much you will make given it is a combination of different amounts per order, different multiplers and bonus "quests"...but campaigners don't do themselves any favours with repeating total bollocks.

    If somebody was really only getting £2/hr, they wouldn't be doing this, would they...like come on.

    What the BIJ idiots don't understand is a) log in / out of an app doesn't equal time working and b) most people deliver for multiple apps at the same time, so they are logged in, but actively rejecting jobs from one as they are busy on a different job.

    The push for a guaranteed minimum wage might actually cut pay if you can't multi-app, which I think might be the solution these companies go down.

    I really wouldn't want to agree with Corbyn over anything, least of all his spurious statistics. If Corbyn spelled the story out without embellishing it with his fantasy figures, he probably has a point and gig economy drivers look increasingly like Victorian mill workers in both their rates of pay and terms and conditions.

    I suspect it would be nigh on impossible to spend all day posting on PB from one's Deliveroo scooter- see what I mean about terms and conditions!
    I was actually talking about the article. It is from the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, who have an interesting past to say the least, but they are trying to claim careful analysis of data, based on facts, and thus either they are morons or they are being deliberately misleading.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,046
    isam said:

    Brillo eliminating last shrewd of doubt that he’s a vulgar, boorish snob. Looking forward to comment from Sir John Curtice, PBUH.

    https://twitter.com/eamonnoneill/status/1376173936455647235?s=21

    Anyone deflecting by using "She's not a Labour MP" deserves all they get
    She has been suspended to be fair
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181
    This is what Stokes, Buttler and Malan should have been doing, and didn’t. Knocking it around patiently for singles for 15 overs and they would have been halfway to the target. No need to play silly big shots to look cool.

    Unfortunately, hubris got the better of them.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    It really is cringeworthy to see how much they're embarrassing themselves with this degree of xenophobia - especially as it's been entirely absent from most senior British politicians.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065
    Re comparisons between countries

    Belgium
    866k cases
    22k deaths

    Netherlands
    1,252k cases
    16k deaths

    With Belgium testing at nearly double the Dutch level.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,178
    ydoethur said:

    I'm surprised nobody has yet objected to Snooker as being racist: A white ball being used to knock about all the coloured balls, with bonus points for getting black down as often as you can.

    Chess is an obvious target. White always moves first, black second.
    You're two years late on that.

    World chess champion Magnus Carlsen and Dutch rival Anish Giri are marking a U.N. international campaign against racism by playing a game in which contrary to the longstanding rules of the game the player with the black pieces made the first move.

    A video of the encounter was released this week on Mr. Carlsen’s Facebook page. The players said the game was being played as a “symbolic gesture” to mark the U.N.’s International Day for the Elimination of Racism March 21...

    A U.N. website, Moveforequality.com, said it did not mean to imply that the modern rule was racist in origin. But it said a symbolic switch between two of the world’s greatest players carrier symbolic weight.


    There is no satire which wokeness will not eventually overtake.
    Confuse everyone. Play with a glass set - frosted and clear.

    I’ve still never worked out which of those is ‘white.’
    If you play with a shot set, then you can choose a different combination of colours from game to game. Best game of chess I ever played was when I played - actually, I don't remember which colour I was playing.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,036
    Looks like another Alba candidate for the Glasgow list incoming.

    https://twitter.com/scanlanwithana/status/1376187541964079111?s=21
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,065
    ydoethur said:

    This is what Stokes, Buttler and Malan should have been doing, and didn’t. Knocking it around patiently for singles for 15 overs and they would have been halfway to the target. No need to play silly big shots to look cool.

    Unfortunately, hubris got the better of them.

    Knocking singles patiently is deemed 'boring'.

    Its why power plays were brought in.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181

    ydoethur said:

    This is what Stokes, Buttler and Malan should have been doing, and didn’t. Knocking it around patiently for singles for 15 overs and they would have been halfway to the target. No need to play silly big shots to look cool.

    Unfortunately, hubris got the better of them.

    Knocking singles patiently is deemed 'boring'.

    Its why power plays were brought in.
    Possibly it is, but losing is a whole lot more boring.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2021

    isam said:

    Brillo eliminating last shrewd of doubt that he’s a vulgar, boorish snob. Looking forward to comment from Sir John Curtice, PBUH.

    https://twitter.com/eamonnoneill/status/1376173936455647235?s=21

    Anyone deflecting by using "She's not a Labour MP" deserves all they get
    She has been suspended to be fair
    I think the argument is over the fact she is supposed suspended, but appears to still claim to be a Labour councillor and it also appears she is receiving the coordinated Labour Party social media attack lines to take.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,036
    JonathanD said:

    Brillo eliminating last shrewd of doubt that he’s a vulgar, boorish snob. Looking forward to comment from Sir John Curtice, PBUH.

    https://twitter.com/eamonnoneill/status/1376173936455647235?s=21

    Andrew Neil went to Glasgow uni so better to understand it as intra City rivalry rather than some deep truth.
    I’m perfectly aware of that, but gammony, old boors playing the bantz card doesn’t really cut it for me.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,330
    On topic, do we know whether Albion will contest the by-election?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    With England cricket, its the hope that kills you....
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    On topic, do we know whether Albion will contest the by-election?

    I have faith in Sam Allardyce, but not that much!
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,299
    isam said:

    Brillo eliminating last shrewd of doubt that he’s a vulgar, boorish snob. Looking forward to comment from Sir John Curtice, PBUH.

    https://twitter.com/eamonnoneill/status/1376173936455647235?s=21

    Anyone deflecting by using "She's not a Labour MP" deserves all they get
    What was the gist of what prompted all this? If it was 'Keith shows what a lily-livered simp he is by allowing such a bad egg to retain the whip' then perhaps it was a justified retort.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,282
    felix said:

    TOPPING said:

    I think a note of caution is needed here.

    Our case rates/deaths/hospitalisations are all super low which is great. Our vaccine programme is heading to the moon.

    Meanwhile we point our fingers and laugh at the EU countries with their spiralling case rates and new lockdowns.

    However. We have been locked down for three months. Nothing open. Nothing allowed. Virtually. I don't think this has been the case in most of Europe.

    Vaccine efficacy is somewhere over 90%. That means that when we come out of lockdown, plenty of people will get this disease.

    The two things that are giving me some degree of comfort are Israel and schools having been back without an explosion of cases.

    The Spanish lockdown has lasted almost as long and is in many ways more severe than the rules in the UK, eg - obligatory masks everywhere and you can get fined for not storing them safely in your car!
    What about restaurants, etc, and meeting other people?
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,137

    On topic, do we know whether Albion will contest the by-election?

    Perfidious Albion led by perfidious Eck.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,915
    edited March 2021

    isam said:

    Brillo eliminating last shrewd of doubt that he’s a vulgar, boorish snob. Looking forward to comment from Sir John Curtice, PBUH.

    https://twitter.com/eamonnoneill/status/1376173936455647235?s=21

    Anyone deflecting by using "She's not a Labour MP" deserves all they get
    She has been suspended to be fair
    Sure, but she was elected at the last GE as a Labour MP, and has been suspended, as far as I know, because she is on trial for harrasment, not because she doesn't share the same political values as the party. If she is found to be not guilty, she will be a Labour MP again next month
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,137
    TOPPING said:

    I think a note of caution is needed here.

    Our case rates/deaths/hospitalisations are all super low which is great. Our vaccine programme is heading to the moon.

    Meanwhile we point our fingers and laugh at the EU countries with their spiralling case rates and new lockdowns.

    However. We have been locked down for three months. Nothing open. Nothing allowed. Virtually. I don't think this has been the case in most of Europe.

    Vaccine efficacy is somewhere over 90%. That means that when we come out of lockdown, plenty of people will get this disease.

    The two things that are giving me some degree of comfort are Israel and schools having been back without an explosion of cases.

    A few points arise from this -

    1. Most people of working age have continued to go to work. Leaving out the furloughed and unemployed only 30% (at the very most) of the working population work from home.
    2. Schools went back 3 weeks ago.
    3. Even the vaccinated will likely catch Covid at some point. Vaccination, longer term, defangs the disease, the virus won’t be eliminated. The flu virus that caused the 1918-20 pandemic and a number of other coronaviruses are still in circulation (see my earlier posts re the 1889 pandemic) all of which caused havoc when they first emerged. Vaccines are training the population’s immune systems to identify and deal with this novel threat without the pain and suffering of actually having to catch it.
    4. Ireland’s lockdown is at least as harsh as ours, if not more so, but they are not having the success we are in keeping cases down without as good a vaccination drive.


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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181

    On topic, do we know whether Albion will contest the by-election?

    West Bromwich or Burton?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,850
    JonathanD said:

    Floater said:
    Defacto they must have otherwise there would be no nonsense about 'April being 2nd dose month'. They would have shipped them to the UK and kept vaccinating the +40s.
    I thought it was the Indian delivery that was the issue?
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,559
    Thanks to Andy_Cooke for the interesting posts earlier on.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Pulpstar said:

    Feels like we're heading back towards a true reduction in cases again after holding steady for a bit

    https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1376188588904308737

    Hopefully so. The rolling seven day case rate has edged down a little again, and is now marginally down week on week. The decline in the number of hospital admissions might be easing off marginally, but deaths are still down by more than 30% week-on-week. All still looks good.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,137

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1376138247487647746?s=19

    I saw this and thought, really, come on, £2/hr....and of course its horseshit. I actually think the likes of Deliveroo approach is unfair in the sense of it is quite opaque how much you will make given it is a combination of different amounts per order, different multiplers and bonus "quests"...but campaigners don't do themselves any favours with repeating total bollocks.

    If somebody was really only getting £2/hr, they wouldn't be doing this, would they...like come on.

    What the BIJ idiots don't understand is a) log in / out of an app doesn't equal time working and b) most people deliver for multiple apps at the same time, so they are logged in, but actively rejecting jobs from one as they are busy on a different job.

    The push for a guaranteed minimum wage might actually cut pay if you can't multi-app, which I think might be the solution these companies go down.

    I really wouldn't want to agree with Corbyn over anything, least of all his spurious statistics. If Corbyn spelled the story out without embellishing it with his fantasy figures, he probably has a point and gig economy drivers look increasingly like Victorian mill workers in both their rates of pay and terms and conditions.

    I suspect it would be nigh on impossible to spend all day posting on PB from one's Deliveroo scooter- see what I mean about terms and conditions!
    I was actually talking about the article. It is from the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, who have an interesting past to say the least, but they are trying to claim careful analysis of data, based on facts, and thus either they are morons or they are being deliberately misleading.
    Any opportunity you give me to crash Corbyn, I'll take it.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,915

    isam said:

    Brillo eliminating last shrewd of doubt that he’s a vulgar, boorish snob. Looking forward to comment from Sir John Curtice, PBUH.

    https://twitter.com/eamonnoneill/status/1376173936455647235?s=21

    Anyone deflecting by using "She's not a Labour MP" deserves all they get
    What was the gist of what prompted all this? If it was 'Keith shows what a lily-livered simp he is by allowing such a bad egg to retain the whip' then perhaps it was a justified retort.
    No, Big Bad AF Neil introduced something she wrote (which I suppose he disagreed with) as the thoughts of "a Labour MP"
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    ydoethur said:

    On topic, do we know whether Albion will contest the by-election?

    West Bromwich or Burton?
    Albion Rovers, shurely?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    felix said:

    TOPPING said:

    I think a note of caution is needed here.

    Our case rates/deaths/hospitalisations are all super low which is great. Our vaccine programme is heading to the moon.

    Meanwhile we point our fingers and laugh at the EU countries with their spiralling case rates and new lockdowns.

    However. We have been locked down for three months. Nothing open. Nothing allowed. Virtually. I don't think this has been the case in most of Europe.

    Vaccine efficacy is somewhere over 90%. That means that when we come out of lockdown, plenty of people will get this disease.

    The two things that are giving me some degree of comfort are Israel and schools having been back without an explosion of cases.

    The Spanish lockdown has lasted almost as long and is in many ways more severe than the rules in the UK, eg - obligatory masks everywhere and you can get fined for not storing them safely in your car!
    What's a "safe" way to store them in your car?

    I have a dock I put my phone into while driving for use with satnav, music etc plus charging while I drive and I hang my mask on one of the teeth of that dock that the phone rests upon. Then I always know where the mask is for when I need it next.

    No idea if that's deemed "safe" or not.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,850
    ydoethur said:

    On topic, do we know whether Albion will contest the by-election?

    West Bromwich or Burton?
    Could be Witton or Tadcaster or Stirling or Shepshed or Albion (Newport) or Albion FC (Uraguay) or the Aussie Rules Albion (WRFL) or Brighton & Hove or less likely but possible a typo!
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    ydoethur said:

    I'm surprised nobody has yet objected to Snooker as being racist: A white ball being used to knock about all the coloured balls, with bonus points for getting black down as often as you can.

    Chess is an obvious target. White always moves first, black second.
    You're two years late on that.

    World chess champion Magnus Carlsen and Dutch rival Anish Giri are marking a U.N. international campaign against racism by playing a game in which contrary to the longstanding rules of the game the player with the black pieces made the first move.

    A video of the encounter was released this week on Mr. Carlsen’s Facebook page. The players said the game was being played as a “symbolic gesture” to mark the U.N.’s International Day for the Elimination of Racism March 21...

    A U.N. website, Moveforequality.com, said it did not mean to imply that the modern rule was racist in origin. But it said a symbolic switch between two of the world’s greatest players carrier symbolic weight.


    There is no satire which wokeness will not eventually overtake.
    Confuse everyone. Play with a glass set - frosted and clear.

    I’ve still never worked out which of those is ‘white.’
    I had a shot glass set. Every piece you took you had to drink - evened up the odds
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,282
    DougSeal said:

    TOPPING said:

    I think a note of caution is needed here.

    Our case rates/deaths/hospitalisations are all super low which is great. Our vaccine programme is heading to the moon.

    Meanwhile we point our fingers and laugh at the EU countries with their spiralling case rates and new lockdowns.

    However. We have been locked down for three months. Nothing open. Nothing allowed. Virtually. I don't think this has been the case in most of Europe.

    Vaccine efficacy is somewhere over 90%. That means that when we come out of lockdown, plenty of people will get this disease.

    The two things that are giving me some degree of comfort are Israel and schools having been back without an explosion of cases.

    A few points arise from this -

    1. Most people of working age have continued to go to work. Leaving out the furloughed and unemployed only 30% (at the very most) of the working population work from home.
    2. Schools went back 3 weeks ago.
    3. Even the vaccinated will likely catch Covid at some point. Vaccination, longer term, defangs the disease, the virus won’t be eliminated. The flu virus that caused the 1918-20 pandemic and a number of other coronaviruses are still in circulation (see my earlier posts re the 1889 pandemic) all of which caused havoc when they first emerged. Vaccines are training the population’s immune systems to identify and deal with this novel threat without the pain and suffering of actually having to catch it.
    4. Ireland’s lockdown is at least as harsh as ours, if not more so, but they are not having the success we are in keeping cases down without as good a vaccination drive.


    Yes. It seems like things are going well here. Just that we sometimes forget our own lockdown plus with 60m people a 95% efficacy rate leaves a lot of people uneffficated.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,915
    Pulpstar said:

    Feels like we're heading back towards a true reduction in cases again after holding steady for a bit

    https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1376188588904308737

    Deaths we 12 Mar were 4.5% below the 2015-2019 average
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    TOPPING said:

    felix said:

    TOPPING said:

    I think a note of caution is needed here.

    Our case rates/deaths/hospitalisations are all super low which is great. Our vaccine programme is heading to the moon.

    Meanwhile we point our fingers and laugh at the EU countries with their spiralling case rates and new lockdowns.

    However. We have been locked down for three months. Nothing open. Nothing allowed. Virtually. I don't think this has been the case in most of Europe.

    Vaccine efficacy is somewhere over 90%. That means that when we come out of lockdown, plenty of people will get this disease.

    The two things that are giving me some degree of comfort are Israel and schools having been back without an explosion of cases.

    The Spanish lockdown has lasted almost as long and is in many ways more severe than the rules in the UK, eg - obligatory masks everywhere and you can get fined for not storing them safely in your car!
    What about restaurants, etc, and meeting other people?
    Until very recently almost the entire coiuntry could not travel beyond their town - in my case of less than 3000 people without a supermarket. Curfew was 6pm and only takeaways allowed from restaurants. All non-essential business closed. Now we can travel within our province and the curfew is 10pm. Restaurants are open again with limited capacity. However, we have immediate perimeter closure if cases rise above 500/100k. Numbers are edging up again now and we could well be back in semi-lockdown at least in a few weeks. I think lockdown restrictions have more similarities than differences across Europe.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,354
    Floater said:

    No, we are dependent from plants in the EU who we have legal contracts with.

    I think this is the French view now - they were blocked by other countries from trying to get the *Pfizer* deliveries stopped. Macron was very insistent on that, apparently.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    DougSeal said:

    TOPPING said:

    I think a note of caution is needed here.

    Our case rates/deaths/hospitalisations are all super low which is great. Our vaccine programme is heading to the moon.

    Meanwhile we point our fingers and laugh at the EU countries with their spiralling case rates and new lockdowns.

    However. We have been locked down for three months. Nothing open. Nothing allowed. Virtually. I don't think this has been the case in most of Europe.

    Vaccine efficacy is somewhere over 90%. That means that when we come out of lockdown, plenty of people will get this disease.

    The two things that are giving me some degree of comfort are Israel and schools having been back without an explosion of cases.

    A few points arise from this -

    1. Most people of working age have continued to go to work. Leaving out the furloughed and unemployed only 30% (at the very most) of the working population work from home.
    2. Schools went back 3 weeks ago.
    3. Even the vaccinated will likely catch Covid at some point. Vaccination, longer term, defangs the disease, the virus won’t be eliminated. The flu virus that caused the 1918-20 pandemic and a number of other coronaviruses are still in circulation (see my earlier posts re the 1889 pandemic) all of which caused havoc when they first emerged. Vaccines are training the population’s immune systems to identify and deal with this novel threat without the pain and suffering of actually having to catch it.
    4. Ireland’s lockdown is at least as harsh as ours, if not more so, but they are not having the success we are in keeping cases down without as good a vaccination drive.


    I don't think Ireland has as good a Test & Trace system as ours either, People mock T&T but I do believe its having a significant impact now, the proportion of cases traced have been extremely high for months now.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,137
    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Feels like we're heading back towards a true reduction in cases again after holding steady for a bit

    https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1376188588904308737

    Deaths we 12 Mar were 4.5% below the 2015-2019 average
    Historically the measure of the end of a plague was when the weekly bills of mortality returned to their normal level. Make of that what you will.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,282
    felix said:

    TOPPING said:

    felix said:

    TOPPING said:

    I think a note of caution is needed here.

    Our case rates/deaths/hospitalisations are all super low which is great. Our vaccine programme is heading to the moon.

    Meanwhile we point our fingers and laugh at the EU countries with their spiralling case rates and new lockdowns.

    However. We have been locked down for three months. Nothing open. Nothing allowed. Virtually. I don't think this has been the case in most of Europe.

    Vaccine efficacy is somewhere over 90%. That means that when we come out of lockdown, plenty of people will get this disease.

    The two things that are giving me some degree of comfort are Israel and schools having been back without an explosion of cases.

    The Spanish lockdown has lasted almost as long and is in many ways more severe than the rules in the UK, eg - obligatory masks everywhere and you can get fined for not storing them safely in your car!
    What about restaurants, etc, and meeting other people?
    Until very recently almost the entire coiuntry could not travel beyond their town - in my case of less than 3000 people without a supermarket. Curfew was 6pm and only takeaways allowed from restaurants. All non-essential business closed. Now we can travel within our province and the curfew is 10pm. Restaurants are open again with limited capacity. However, we have immediate perimeter closure if cases rise above 500/100k. Numbers are edging up again now and we could well be back in semi-lockdown at least in a few weeks. I think lockdown restrictions have more similarities than differences across Europe.
    Thanks.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949

    On topic, do we know whether Albion will contest the by-election?

    We don't, but my assumption from their 'List only' strategy and insistence that they aren't an anti-SNP bloc is that they won't.
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    Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,814
    Charles said:

    Summary

    So, that’s what’s in them and how they work. In the Oxford/Astrazeneca one, it’s that adenovector, in lipids (fats, basically) with a couple of amino acids, sucrose (literally sugar), sodium chloride (literally salt, to make it similar to your body salt levels, I guess), water, an adjuvant, and an emulsifier to mix it together (you’ve already consumed plenty of that emulsifier, I’d guess, it’s used in plenty of foods and cosmetics).

    The vaccines change the goalposts on the virus by causing the Mode 2 adaptive system to be ready before infection. The virus may think that’s being unfair, but who cares about being fair to a virus?

    If antibodies are circulating at a high enough level, the virus gets nowhere and you are a sterile environment to it. No infection, no transmission; tough to be a virus today. If these have dropped a bit, or if the virus manages to mutate the spike a bit to make the antibodies less effective, it may get into cells again, but with all the epitopes the T-cells have available, it’ll have a massive challenge getting further than either asymptomatic infection or the sniffle stage. And your B-cells will be adapting the recipe pretty quickly. Goodbye virus pretty quickly, and without building to high viral loads or hanging around very long, its opportunities to spread beyond you get sharply curtailed.

    The Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine is an “adenovector” version (as are Johnson & Johnson, and Sputnik) that puts a counterfeit into you that so resembles the virus (but without the bad bits) that your Mode 2 system gets ready. The Novavax uses a protein-based version, and Pfizer and Moderna are the mp3 version. And as they’ve been carefully designed to present the perfect proteins for a really good response (including a mix of epitopes and different views of the spike), your B-cells don’t have much trial-and-error to do; they’ll have a certified effective output immediately, as will your T-cells.

    The reason you may feel crappy for a while is the adjuvant which blares the alarm and causes your Mode 1 immunity to briefly kick in.

    That’s about it. Oh, and these vaccines were all trialed in depth to see if the immune system (or the rest of your body) went ‘tilt’ for some reason (immune systems are complex) and passed in-depth safety trials. And as the immune response is pretty quick, it’s very rare for a bad side-effect to materialise months or years down the line – because it makes changes quickly or not at all. Not impossible, of course – the immune system is very complex – but I’ve not seen any immunologist worry about it due to how hugely unlikely it is. Compared to the chances of long-term bad side effects from the virus itself, it’s hardly even on the same planet.
    (5/5)

    That’s good (although long as you know). I think you underplay the memory B cells though which are really important.

    I think of it as a bit like going round town nailing “wanted” posters on the wall so that next time the virus turns up it gets recognised that much quicker
    Thanks, Charles, and an excellent analogy that’s going straight in.
    Now I’ve got to try to wrestle it down in size after that...
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    I'm surprised nobody has yet objected to Snooker as being racist: A white ball being used to knock about all the coloured balls, with bonus points for getting black down as often as you can.

    If university staff read PB, they will already be removing billiard tables from Student Unions.
    Some greenhorn brown-noser will be tickled pink that she/he/xe can smash it to the blues by banning this. Unless his bosses are too yellow to go through which will make him/her/xer see red.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,559
    "5,000 music fans attend Barcelona gig after passing same-day coronavirus screening

    Five thousand people attended a rock concert in Barcelona on Saturday after passing a same-day screening test for COVID-19."

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-live-england-told-to-hold-its-nerve-as-restrictions-ease-but-future-looks-immeasurably-brighter-12258887
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,137
    If that increases the likelihood of never having to go through this shit again, bring it on.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Andy_JS said:

    "5,000 music fans attend Barcelona gig after passing same-day coronavirus screening

    Five thousand people attended a rock concert in Barcelona on Saturday after passing a same-day screening test for COVID-19."

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-live-england-told-to-hold-its-nerve-as-restrictions-ease-but-future-looks-immeasurably-brighter-12258887

    I heard about this. They were all forced to spend the entire thing in masks. Waste of time.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    I think that what some people may be overlooking is that unlike last year, the Government are really keen to make the lifting of restrictions a NATIONAL unlocking. That means that it is mistaken to be looking at the national averages for those getting impatient, but you need to be looking at the slowest ships in the convoy.

    So basically you need to be watching the North East.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,724
    ydoethur said:

    This is what Stokes, Buttler and Malan should have been doing, and didn’t. Knocking it around patiently for singles for 15 overs and they would have been halfway to the target. No need to play silly big shots to look cool.

    Unfortunately, hubris got the better of them.

    You are making an assumption that the likes of Stokes and Buttler would score more on average by knocking singles patiently than hitting big shots. There is little evidence that your assumption is correct for them and plenty that they are better suited to attacking.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    DougSeal said:

    If that increases the likelihood of never having to go through this shit again, bring it on.
    Majority of the adults of this country including almost 100% of the vulnerable being vaccinated mean we never have to go through this shit again.

    Time to unlock now. Domestically at least, hold off on internationally until other countries catch up with us.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,915
    edited March 2021
    Am I watching Scotland vs England in 2024, after King Alex has won independence?


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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    ydoethur said:

    This is what Stokes, Buttler and Malan should have been doing, and didn’t. Knocking it around patiently for singles for 15 overs and they would have been halfway to the target. No need to play silly big shots to look cool.

    Unfortunately, hubris got the better of them.

    You are making an assumption that the likes of Stokes and Buttler would score more on average by knocking singles patiently than hitting big shots. There is little evidence that your assumption is correct for them and plenty that they are better suited to attacking.
    Stokes taking singles is not Stokes.

    Players play best playing to their own strengths.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,354
    UK cases by specimen date

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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,559
    England are going to get close here but you feel they won't quite manage it. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,354
    UK cases by Specimen date and scaled to 100K population

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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    If things become very bitter between the SNP and ALBA, a significant number of supporters of the latter might well abstain from casting a vote in the constituency ballot - indeed a few may decide to support other parties out of spite!
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