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The big vaccine divide: The UK’s approach is politician led while the EU’s is run by its officers –

SystemSystem Posts: 12,127
edited January 2021 in General
imageThe big vaccine divide: The UK’s approach is politician led while the EU’s is run by its officers – politicalbetting.com

Above is a pic taken today on Johnson’s visit to Scotland and highlights the very different way in which the EU and the UK is approaching the effort to vaccinate those most at risk from COVID. For their is no reason why Boris should be there except to get the media coverage.

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  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    'The vaccine situation has developed not necessarily to the EU's advantage...'
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357
    Not first - like the EU. They can only hope they still come second.....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357
    edited January 2021
    I just want Boris to reveal his hands have Bernie Sanders' mittens on....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    It is hard to imagine a senor EU official arranging a media event where he/she could be pictured watching vaccination in action.

    They would if they had the vaccines.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,450
    edited January 2021
    Not to be pedantic or anything but I think the picture is from an earlier visit. The PCN referred to is indeed in Harrow, north London (I did wonder if there was a Harrow, Scotland, but apparently not).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357
    RobD said:

    It is hard to imagine a senor EU official arranging a media event where he/she could be pictured watching vaccination in action.

    They would if they had the vaccines.

    If they did and we didn't, Scott_Spanner would be retweeting every single picture of every single EU official supervising every single jab.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,551
    An interesting research paper has just been published.

    Both liberals and conservatives believe that using facts in political discussions helps to foster mutual respect, but 15 studies—across multiple methodologies and issues—show that these beliefs are mistaken. Political opponents respect moral beliefs more when they are supported by personal experiences, not facts.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/6/e2008389118

    I think that makes sense, and is illustrated on PB. Dogmatism and "facts" don't change minds. Personal experiences sometimes do. There is a lot of empathy on PB.

    Excellent header by the way.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767
    Which is more democratic?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    edited January 2021
    Politicians are better for sudden decisions. That's can be bad, but not always, and good officers prefer direction in my experience. It also ensures any calls are not their fault.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    edited January 2021

    RobD said:

    It is hard to imagine a senor EU official arranging a media event where he/she could be pictured watching vaccination in action.

    They would if they had the vaccines.

    If they did and we didn't, Scott_Spanner would be retweeting every single picture of every single EU official supervising every single jab.
    You can bet there would have been endless comparisons between the EU's unity paying dividends, and the UK's supposed isolation.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,360
    Pro EU types had a remarkable ability to underestimate the political problems of trying to belong to two bodies, one's own actual state + the EU, each with some sovereign powers, simultaneously, and where those powers had not been separated individually but went as a whole on an entire take it or leave it (under Art 50) basis. Vaccine is a nice example where confusion and mutual blame, along with public mystification is almost certain. But compared to the Euro it is small beer.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,456
    A perfect example of numbers being used where they shouldn't be (by anyone, least of all a scientist running a statistics-based trial), and then, because of the ostensible accuracy of a percentage to one decimal place, treated as gospel truth by an idiot reporter.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    RobD said:

    It is hard to imagine a senor EU official arranging a media event where he/she could be pictured watching vaccination in action.

    They would if they had the vaccines.

    Pfizer were slowing so they could improve capacity, dont know how quickly that will help.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477

    I just want Boris to reveal his hands have Bernie Sanders' mittens on....


    I didn't even spot him at first, lurking in the shadows.

    There's something weird about that photograph!
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767
    Thats their data?? 1 infection out of over 300??

    Mein Gott.
  • FPT

    There was a design for a nuclear powered plane that never made it off the ground...

    Actually for a truly mad idea have a look a project Orion. Not just nuclear propulsion, but propulsion by nuclear bombs.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    TimT said:

    A perfect example of numbers being used where they shouldn't be (by anyone, least of all a scientist running a statistics-based trial), and then, because of the ostensible accuracy of a percentage to one decimal place, treated as gospel truth by an idiot reporter.
    It's not even the number he reported, so the jury is out on whether he can actually read or not.
  • What should they have written down instead?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824

    FPT

    There was a design for a nuclear powered plane that never made it off the ground...

    Actually for a truly mad idea have a look a project Orion. Not just nuclear propulsion, but propulsion by nuclear bombs.

    I've seen this thunderbirds episode.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824

    What should they have written down instead?
    A single significant figure would have sufficed.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767
    edited January 2021
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited January 2021

    What should they have written down instead?
    N/A (or, rather, the German equivalent).
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
    edited January 2021
    TimT said:

    A perfect example of numbers being used where they shouldn't be (by anyone, least of all a scientist running a statistics-based trial), and then, because of the ostensible accuracy of a percentage to one decimal place, treated as gospel truth by an idiot reporter.
    I mean, this must rank and one of the worst "exclusives" in modern times. That really is quite appalling by both Handelsblatt (sp?) and its source. Dear, dear me.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,269
    Telegraph with a controversial take on this

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1354706310063923200?s=20
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177
    RobD said:

    TimT said:

    A perfect example of numbers being used where they shouldn't be (by anyone, least of all a scientist running a statistics-based trial), and then, because of the ostensible accuracy of a percentage to one decimal place, treated as gospel truth by an idiot reporter.
    It's not even the number he reported, so the jury is out on whether he can actually read or not.
    I still believe it was a mistake based on the number enrolled.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357

    What should they have written down instead?
    "Fuck all difference"?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    HYUFD said:

    Telegraph with a controversial take on this

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1354706310063923200?s=20

    Not sure that is controversial. It's the logical outcome of their demands.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357
    HYUFD said:

    Telegraph with a controversial take on this

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1354706310063923200?s=20

    True in the case of Germany at least, as they won't give the vaccine to those of 65 or older. You know, the ones who die from Covid.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
    Barnesian said:

    An interesting research paper has just been published.

    Both liberals and conservatives believe that using facts in political discussions helps to foster mutual respect, but 15 studies—across multiple methodologies and issues—show that these beliefs are mistaken. Political opponents respect moral beliefs more when they are supported by personal experiences, not facts.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/6/e2008389118

    I think that makes sense, and is illustrated on PB. Dogmatism and "facts" don't change minds. Personal experiences sometimes do. There is a lot of empathy on PB.

    Excellent header by the way.


    Which is a problem.

    As it just encourages hyperbole based on anecdote.

    I mean, Foxy is a doctor.

    Roger, Bron and me all pointed out data that showed only 48 healthy under forties had died from Covid in England by 17 Dec.

    Foxy then said, well we have a woman in her twenties in ICU.

    Of course, both of those are true statements.

    Yet many people afford more weight to the ICU anecdote, which is clearly unwise.

    Yet they do.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,281
    edited January 2021

    What should they have written down instead?
    N/A (or, rather, the German equivalent).
    Which in this case would be P/F, or Bullenscheisse, which is what it is.

    Surely a sample of 300 is too small to draw any definite conclusions from? But if you must, one in 300 for both seems ok to me.

    It certainly won't stop me from having the jab, when it's offered.....[Drums fingers.]
  • The photo in the header is quite funny. Boris looks like a bouncer keeping an eye on a dodgy-looking cove lurking off-camera.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357
    HYUFD said:
    Conservatives stretching the twig of diversity to melting point.....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    HYUFD said:

    Telegraph with a controversial take on this

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1354706310063923200?s=20

    There’s really no need for such antagonistic headlines. UK authorities are best off keeping their mouths shut for now, unless of course talk of export bans actually materialises.
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    edited January 2021
    “ Downing Street has refused to rule out the possibility of the UK sending vaccine supplies to the EU once the most vulnerable people in the UK have been vaccinated, assuming the timetable to vaccinate other adults by September stays on track. “

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/jan/28/uk-covid-live-coronavirus-boris-johnson-scotland-nicola-sturgeon-vaccine-travel-quarantine-latest-updates

    Do it Boris. Don’t listen to the rabid anti Christian ravers on PB. Their only religion is frothed up hatred of EU, that’s not Brexit is it?

    Once vulnerable people in UK have been jabbed, share it Boris.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077
    edited January 2021
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Telegraph with a controversial take on this

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1354706310063923200?s=20

    Not sure that is controversial. It's the logical outcome of their demands.
    Sadly it is the logical end point of the EU's current demands - the thing is that they are so obsessed in recovering from their screw up they haven't realised that there isn't any solution that doesn't make them look both idiotic and the bad guys.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JOpPNra4bw
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    I don't think a scientist is writing anything down. It's the table that gets churned out by whatever EUC the EMA or the Germany Health Ministry uses for calculating efficacy numbers. The table needs interpretation and the key item of information is in there: only two data points. If you want to tidy the table up you would put a * in the >65 row and the note: * insufficient data

    This way you get the raw data.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Andy_JS said:
    Citadel (who bailed out the Hedgefund that has taken the massive hit on this) pay Robinhood a large stack of cash for orderflow.

    It is very, very easy to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions about what is happening.
  • Which is more democratic?

    In what sense? Being allowed to decide whether you want to remain a member or not must be a pretty basic aspect of democracy.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    gealbhan said:

    “ Downing Street has refused to rule out the possibility of the UK sending vaccine supplies to the EU once the most vulnerable people in the UK have been vaccinated, assuming the timetable to vaccinate other adults by September stays on track. “

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/jan/28/uk-covid-live-coronavirus-boris-johnson-scotland-nicola-sturgeon-vaccine-travel-quarantine-latest-updates

    Do it Boris. Don’t listen to the rabid anti Christian ravers on PB. Their only religion is frothed up hatred of EU, that’s not Brexit is it?

    Once vulnerable people in UK have been jabbed, share it Boris.

    Risky. Very risky.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528

    What should they have written down instead?
    A dash to signify it is an empty line.
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Telegraph with a controversial take on this

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1354706310063923200?s=20

    There’s really no need for such antagonistic headlines. UK authorities are best off keeping their mouths shut for now, unless of course talk of export bans actually materialises.
    Totally 1984 or Iran or North Korea 2021 isn’t it?

    And some on PB are down the square yelling in outrage in support of this headline as we speak.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586

    RobD said:

    TimT said:

    A perfect example of numbers being used where they shouldn't be (by anyone, least of all a scientist running a statistics-based trial), and then, because of the ostensible accuracy of a percentage to one decimal place, treated as gospel truth by an idiot reporter.
    It's not even the number he reported, so the jury is out on whether he can actually read or not.
    I still believe it was a mistake based on the number enrolled.
    I suggest we should employ the methodology suggested by that eminent lawyer and jurist Rudi Guliani

    Trial by combat*.

    *No actual combat included, implied, referenced or conceived of. No Sir. May contain nutters. May contain nutters. May contain new-fascists.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,166
    edited January 2021
    From Robinhood’s blog:

    "Our mission at Robinhood is to democratize finance for all. We’re proud to have created a platform that has helped everyday people, from all backgrounds, shape their financial futures and invest for the long term."

    https://blog.robinhood.com/news/2021/1/28/keeping-customers-informed-through-market-volatility
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
    MaxPB said:

    What should they have written down instead?
    A dash to signify it is an empty line.
    Funnily enough that's what we do in our poker league when players haven't played enough games to 'qualify' their points average.

    But my beef is less with the tabulation than with the idiot who cited it to the journalist, and the journalist who didn't examine the data.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    UK cases by specimen date

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  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767
    Andy_JS said:

    From Robinhood’s blog:

    "Our mission at Robinhood is to democratize finance for all. We’re proud to have created a platform that has helped everyday people, from all backgrounds, shape their financial futures and invest for the long term."

    https://blog.robinhood.com/news/2021/1/28/keeping-customers-informed-through-market-volatility
    Why do I get the feeling this is starting to sound like a scam?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    UK cases by specimen date and scaled to 100k population

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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    UK local R

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  • Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Telegraph with a controversial take on this

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1354706310063923200?s=20

    There’s really no need for such antagonistic headlines. UK authorities are best off keeping their mouths shut for now, unless of course talk of export bans actually materialises.
    Note the way they blithely distinguish between 'British' and 'Europeans' as if they were different species!

    The Telegraph really is a crappy paper these days.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
    gealbhan said:

    “ Downing Street has refused to rule out the possibility of the UK sending vaccine supplies to the EU once the most vulnerable people in the UK have been vaccinated, assuming the timetable to vaccinate other adults by September stays on track. “

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/jan/28/uk-covid-live-coronavirus-boris-johnson-scotland-nicola-sturgeon-vaccine-travel-quarantine-latest-updates

    Do it Boris. Don’t listen to the rabid anti Christian ravers on PB. Their only religion is frothed up hatred of EU, that’s not Brexit is it?

    Once vulnerable people in UK have been jabbed, share it Boris.

    What on Earth are you on about now?

    Presumably you mean by that people who believe in science rather than superstition?
  • johntjohnt Posts: 166
    HYUFD said:

    Telegraph with a controversial take on this

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1354706310063923200?s=20

    That really is a true low for a paper which is supposed not to be of the gutter variety. Covid is a global problem and for first world countries like the UK to be saying we are OK sod the rest of the world is truly contemptible, It makes me embarrassed to be English. No wonder we are so widely disliked.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    UK case summary

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  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    The lockdown debate at the cambridge union is tonight apparently.

    Richard Tice, Toby Young and the great Sir Graham Brady agin lockdown.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    UK hospitals

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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    UK deaths

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  • Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Telegraph with a controversial take on this

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1354706310063923200?s=20

    There’s really no need for such antagonistic headlines. UK authorities are best off keeping their mouths shut for now, unless of course talk of export bans actually materialises.
    As the Telegraph are the press mouthpiece of the Boris party, can we expect him to resist the siren calls of populist nationalism? It'll depend on the next few weeks polling I guess.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    UK R

    From case data

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    From hospitalisation data

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  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528
    Unimpressed by retail investors being blocked from the market so that guys with a seat at the table can trade prices down before tomorrow.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    Age related data

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  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,993

    Barnesian said:

    An interesting research paper has just been published.

    Both liberals and conservatives believe that using facts in political discussions helps to foster mutual respect, but 15 studies—across multiple methodologies and issues—show that these beliefs are mistaken. Political opponents respect moral beliefs more when they are supported by personal experiences, not facts.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/6/e2008389118

    I think that makes sense, and is illustrated on PB. Dogmatism and "facts" don't change minds. Personal experiences sometimes do. There is a lot of empathy on PB.

    Excellent header by the way.


    Which is a problem.

    As it just encourages hyperbole based on anecdote.

    I mean, Foxy is a doctor.

    Roger, Bron and me all pointed out data that showed only 48 healthy under forties had died from Covid in England by 17 Dec.

    Foxy then said, well we have a woman in her twenties in ICU.

    Of course, both of those are true statements.

    Yet many people afford more weight to the ICU anecdote, which is clearly unwise.

    Yet they do.
    One key thing that stands out is the comparison of deaths to ICU patients.
    We certainly have a far higher proportion of (previously) healthy under forties in ICUs and who have passed through ICUs than the proportion in the death figures.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,551
    edited January 2021

    Barnesian said:

    An interesting research paper has just been published.

    Both liberals and conservatives believe that using facts in political discussions helps to foster mutual respect, but 15 studies—across multiple methodologies and issues—show that these beliefs are mistaken. Political opponents respect moral beliefs more when they are supported by personal experiences, not facts.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/6/e2008389118

    I think that makes sense, and is illustrated on PB. Dogmatism and "facts" don't change minds. Personal experiences sometimes do. There is a lot of empathy on PB.

    Excellent header by the way.


    Which is a problem.

    As it just encourages hyperbole based on anecdote.

    I mean, Foxy is a doctor.

    Roger, Bron and me all pointed out data that showed only 48 healthy under forties had died from Covid in England by 17 Dec.

    Foxy then said, well we have a woman in her twenties in ICU.

    Of course, both of those are true statements.

    Yet many people afford more weight to the ICU anecdote, which is clearly unwise.

    Yet they do.
    Except the research also showed that personal experiences only have an advantage in moral disagreement.
    For all agreement (whether moral or nonmoral) and for nonmoral disagreement, facts foster respect just as well as experiences.

    I remember the exchange on the death rate for under forties. I was much more persuaded by the facts than the anecdote, but I realise that some others weren't.

    Moral and political disagreements are not about the facts of the matters but much more about feelings fed by personal experiences and upbringing. And that's fine by me. There is no objective truth.

    But I agree that non-moral disagreements are better resolved by facts than personal anecdotes when there are facts of the matter and objective truth.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    johnt said:

    HYUFD said:

    Telegraph with a controversial take on this

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1354706310063923200?s=20

    That really is a true low for a paper which is supposed not to be of the gutter variety. Covid is a global problem and for first world countries like the UK to be saying we are OK sod the rest of the world is truly contemptible, It makes me embarrassed to be English. No wonder we are so widely disliked.
    If this is making the UK disliked on the world stage, I dread to think what it is doing to the image of the EU.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    I want to apologize to the world - all of it - for Jacob Rees Mogg. For me it's got to that stage.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824

    Age related data

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    Noise, or a fall?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    UK vaccination

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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Telegraph with a controversial take on this

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1354706310063923200?s=20

    There’s really no need for such antagonistic headlines. UK authorities are best off keeping their mouths shut for now, unless of course talk of export bans actually materialises.
    As the Telegraph are the press mouthpiece of the Boris party, can we expect him to resist the siren calls of populist nationalism? It'll depend on the next few weeks polling I guess.
    I also see that Europeans begin at Calais. Hello Oceania.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    Not to be pedantic or anything but I think the picture is from an earlier visit. The PCN referred to is indeed in Harrow, north London (I did wonder if there was a Harrow, Scotland, but apparently not).

    Not at all. Pedantry is part of the life-blood of PB.
  • kinabalu said:

    I want to apologize to the world - all of it - for Jacob Rees Mogg. For me it's got to that stage.

    Apology accepted. Don't do it again.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824

    UK vaccination

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    Alright Wales we get it, you're back in the game.
  • On topic. I genuinely don't believe the EU would be that dumb. For all that I wanted Britain out, I don't in anyway underrate the bureaucrats in Brussels. Just look at the way they ran rings around May and Johnson (and Cameron before that).

    I think there is a fair bit of political posturing by those in the Commission who can't forget how to be politicians but I also suspect that calmer heads in the bureaucracy will eventually prevail.

    What Johnson needs to do is exactly what he has been doing which is play it down, make conciliatory and neutral noises and keep his cabinet and MPs in line. For once he is on the right side of this argument and he can stay there by making sure it is between AZ and the EU and not between the UK and the EU.

    Absolutely spot on
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    edited January 2021
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Telegraph with a controversial take on this

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1354706310063923200?s=20

    There’s really no need for such antagonistic headlines. UK authorities are best off keeping their mouths shut for now, unless of course talk of export bans actually materialises.
    .....er.....sorry....have you heard the rhetoric the government uses to its own people? Some of it is so fear laden and extreme it has even fallen foul of the advertising regulator.

    And then when a newspaper uses something milder than the government's own rhetoric in another situation you wet your nappy?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,147
    Looks like David Nixon in the photo - but where's the rabbit?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    RobD said:

    Age related data

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    Noise, or a fall?
    2 swallows in a row, so far. Given it is from a 7 day average.....

    Not summer yet, but nice to think about.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824

    Carnyx said:

    Not to be pedantic or anything but I think the picture is from an earlier visit. The PCN referred to is indeed in Harrow, north London (I did wonder if there was a Harrow, Scotland, but apparently not).

    Not at all. Pedantry is part of the life-blood of PB.
    lifeblood doesn't have a hyphen.
    Tut. You're suppose to capitalise the first letter in each sentence.

    :p
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    FPT

    There was a design for a nuclear powered plane that never made it off the ground...

    Actually for a truly mad idea have a look a project Orion. Not just nuclear propulsion, but propulsion by nuclear bombs.

    It's great fun. I was just rereading this by the son of one of the key persons, Freeman Dyson:

    https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Project_Orion/zo7VOAAACAAJ?hl=en
    https://www.ted.com/talks/george_dyson_the_story_of_project_orion/transcript?language=en
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njM7xlQIjnQ (see 07:54 onwards for a model craft using high explosive

    (Not to be confused with the current US space project of that name.)

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
    RobD said:

    UK vaccination

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    Alright Wales we get it, you're back in the game.
    The Dragon Roars!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    kinabalu said:

    I want to apologize to the world - all of it - for Jacob Rees Mogg. For me it's got to that stage.

    Apology accepted. Don't do it again.
    Tried to watch that clip of him on PT and even though it was short I could not get through it. That's never happened to me before. It was literally unbearable.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    Carnyx said:

    Not to be pedantic or anything but I think the picture is from an earlier visit. The PCN referred to is indeed in Harrow, north London (I did wonder if there was a Harrow, Scotland, but apparently not).

    Not at all. Pedantry is part of the life-blood of PB.
    lifeblood doesn't have a hyphen.
    Quite right. So it doesn't.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
    RobD said:

    Age related data

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    Noise, or a fall?

    There's a definite tilt on that 85+ line.

    The vaccine biting?
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,609

    The lockdown debate at the cambridge union is tonight apparently.

    Richard Tice, Toby Young and the great Sir Graham Brady agin lockdown.

    The pro-lockdown side presumably not attending for obvious reasons? :wink:
  • RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Not to be pedantic or anything but I think the picture is from an earlier visit. The PCN referred to is indeed in Harrow, north London (I did wonder if there was a Harrow, Scotland, but apparently not).

    Not at all. Pedantry is part of the life-blood of PB.
    lifeblood doesn't have a hyphen.
    Tut. You're suppose to capitalise the first letter in each sentence.

    :p
    It has. It's a capital "i".
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,147
    gealbhan said:

    “ Downing Street has refused to rule out the possibility of the UK sending vaccine supplies to the EU once the most vulnerable people in the UK have been vaccinated, assuming the timetable to vaccinate other adults by September stays on track. “

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/jan/28/uk-covid-live-coronavirus-boris-johnson-scotland-nicola-sturgeon-vaccine-travel-quarantine-latest-updates

    Do it Boris. Don’t listen to the rabid anti Christian ravers on PB. Their only religion is frothed up hatred of EU, that’s not Brexit is it?

    Once vulnerable people in UK have been jabbed, share it Boris.

    That is already the plan - to send it to the developed world - not to rich countries and make the poorer natons wait even longer. How unchristian are you?
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123

    What should they have written down instead?
    N/A (or, rather, the German equivalent).
    How would writing that be more informative?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528

    RobD said:

    Age related data

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    Noise, or a fall?

    There's a definite tilt on that 85+ line.

    The vaccine biting?
    I think so yes, and, IMO, fewer new hospital derived infections which is a huge source of 80+ year olds ending up hospitalised for COVID. They go in because they have a fall and need stitches and end up catching COVID because the doctor or nurse doesn't know they have it.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Selebian said:

    The lockdown debate at the cambridge union is tonight apparently.

    Richard Tice, Toby Young and the great Sir Graham Brady agin lockdown.

    The pro-lockdown side presumably not attending for obvious reasons? :wink:
    Very good....
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    edited January 2021
    RobD said:

    UK vaccination

    Alright Wales we get it, you're back in the game.
    It is classic rope-a-dope from my boy, Mark "Untouchable" Drakeford :)

    Next few days, with the Shagster tiring, Mark will be measuring his punches and going in for the kill.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    The lockdown debate at the cambridge union is tonight apparently.

    Richard Tice, Toby Young and the great Sir Graham Brady agin lockdown.

    Cheers. I'd like to watch that. Is it being live-streamed, do you know?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    Carnyx said:

    FPT

    There was a design for a nuclear powered plane that never made it off the ground...

    Actually for a truly mad idea have a look a project Orion. Not just nuclear propulsion, but propulsion by nuclear bombs.

    It's great fun. I was just rereading this by the son of one of the key persons, Freeman Dyson:

    https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Project_Orion/zo7VOAAACAAJ?hl=en
    https://www.ted.com/talks/george_dyson_the_story_of_project_orion/transcript?language=en
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njM7xlQIjnQ (see 07:54 onwards for a model craft using high explosive

    (Not to be confused with the current US space project of that name.)

    A great book - and a great cast of characters. Like the guy who blew up a bridge in the war - but too precisely. It simply jumped in the air and landed back where it started.

    Ah, the road not taken.

    I liked the design for a true interstellar Orion - it would have taken all the nuclear weapons ever made, to get it to 5% of C, to a nearby star, decelerate and then return.

    I suspect our DuraAce would have complained about poor acceleration, though.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited January 2021
    Magna Carta did die in vain....extra points for the "the"!

    https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/1354834682563719169?s=20
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