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  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited January 2021
    Looks like the Johnson & Johnson Phase III results may be imminent; this article quotes the principal investigator for the study site in New Jersey as saying that the data may be “locked” and submitted to an independent review board today or very soon after:

    https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/01/21/johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-results-soon-one-dose/4202974001/

    The Phase II results already look good, so fingers crossed that we're going to have this one available soon.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,866

    Looks like the Johnson & Johnson Phase III results may be imminent; this article quotes the principal investigator for the study site in New Jersey as saying that the data may be “locked” and submitted to an independent review board today or very soon after:

    https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/01/21/johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-results-soon-one-dose/4202974001/

    The Phase II results already look good, so fingers crossed that we're going to have this one available soon.

    30m doses plus an option for 22m more, it could completely change the game for us if it has 80%+ efficacy with a single jab.
  • Labour attacks Sunak over strategy to help economy

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55749084

    Cliffnotes....you aren't spending enough money.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,858

    Mr. Divvie, slavery era? That'd be most of human history...

    I wonder if that means Boudicca is coming down from Westminster Bridge.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,090
    edited January 2021
    MaxPB said:

    Looks like the Johnson & Johnson Phase III results may be imminent; this article quotes the principal investigator for the study site in New Jersey as saying that the data may be “locked” and submitted to an independent review board today or very soon after:

    https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/01/21/johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-results-soon-one-dose/4202974001/

    The Phase II results already look good, so fingers crossed that we're going to have this one available soon.

    30m doses plus an option for 22m more, it could completely change the game for us if it has 80%+ efficacy with a single jab.
    However, I seemed to remember reading somewhere they are having terrible trouble with production.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Even I'm amazed at the rapidity at which Trump's relevance has collapsed.

    The whole thing already feels like a weird bad dream.

    See Bobby Eweing upthread.

    Also this

    https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1352084474519928833
    Now I have this scene going though my head:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRTjgRN9Agg

    (it actually CGI, not the original, but it was the best version I could find).
  • I'm getting confused on this thread with people discussing the downsides of casinos, and to me as Casino.

    Seems that Andrew Yang wants to make YOU a new profit-revenue center for New York City.

    Have you woke-en up to the challenge?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770

    Scott_xP said:
    I've read it twice and Priti's words seem unobjectionable.
    Her slowly improving price to be next PM tells you all you need to know. She's getting better, has a lot of potential, but isn't there yet.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,996
    edited January 2021

    Mr. Divvie, slavery era? That'd be most of human history...

    I'd imagine 'our' slavery era is implied. Don't think there's too much statuary from the classical age in the square mile in any case.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,533

    IPSOS Poll - Strong majority feel positively toward Biden’s inauguration speech

    https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/Biden-inauguration-speech

    "Washington, DC, January 20, 2021 — More than eight in ten Americans rate President Joe Biden’s inauguration speech as good, according to an Ipsos snap poll conducted immediately following today’s speech.

    Detailed Findings

    Eighty-three percent say Biden’s speech was very (57%) or somewhat (26%) good. There is bipartisan agreement on this: 97% of Democrats rate Biden’s speech as good, along with 72% of Republicans and 78% of Independents.

    When it comes to believing Biden’s rhetoric in the speech, Democrats are unified while Republicans are evenly split.

    > Overall, around two-thirds of Americans believe Biden when he says he will be a president for all Americans, that his soul is in uniting the nation, and that he will fight as hard for those who did not support him as those who did (67% believe each of those statements).

    > On those three, nearly equal numbers of Republicans believe those statements as those who do not believe, while around 90% of Democrats believe Biden’s words.

    There is broad, bipartisan agreement with the themes of unity, democracy, and action that Biden outlined.

    > Around three-quarters of Americans agree with what Biden said in his speech, that “Democracy is fragile, democracy is precious, and democracy has prevailed” (73% agree). This includes 91% of Democrats and 59% of Republicans.

    > Larger numbers agree with the statement that “Each of us has a duty and responsibility to defend the truth and defeat the lies” (88% overall, including 98% of Democrats and 78% of Republicans).

    About the Study

    These are the findings of an Ipsos poll conducted between 2:00pm ET and 3:00pm ET on January 20, 2021. For this survey, a sample of 498 adults age 18-64 from the continental U.S., Alaska, and Hawaii was interviewed online in English."

    [Goes on to say that] "the poll has a credibility interval of plus or minus 5.0 percentage points for all respondents."

    Addendum - the omission of folks 65+ would appear problematic. HOWEVER, must say that the numbers above seem to me to make more sense, than the real-time reviews of Biden's speech posted on PB yesterday.

    Pretty damned good. Thanks, SSI.

    I thought it was a good speech too, just right for the occasion. But it's reassuring that so many Republicans gave it a fair wind too.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,805
    Mr. L, there was a suggestion that appears to have been unfounded that Constantine the Great's statue outside York Minster might be at risk.
  • DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:
    She seems to be saying life is complicated.
    And grammar too, apparently.
    Yes well I suggest you listen to anyone taking except in the most formal of situations - like great speeches - and see how grammatically correct they are when you try and write it down.

    People don't 'speak grammar'. Almost no one does these days. If this is something she has written then it is bloody awful. If it is something that has been transcribed from a two way conversation then it is stupid to expect it to be grammatically perfect.
    The old Head of Classics at my present school, who retired in 1996, was the only person I knew who actually spoke in grammatically correct sentences. I think I'm doing well if I can write them.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,209
    edited January 2021

    Mr. L, shivering due to the absence of a working boiler and half the electricity conked out.

    Seems ok. For now.

    Very key piece of kit, a boiler. Ours is operated via a mobile phone app rather than a button on the actual boiler. The guy fitting it (last year) assured me this was normal these days. I took a lot of persuading but, yes, so far so good.
  • Pelosi still hungover?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,357

    Scott_xP said:

    Even I'm amazed at the rapidity at which Trump's relevance has collapsed.

    The whole thing already feels like a weird bad dream.

    See Bobby Eweing upthread.

    Also this

    https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1352084474519928833
    Now I have this scene going though my head:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRTjgRN9Agg

    (it actually CGI, not the original, but it was the best version I could find).
    Somebody wake up Hudson...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:
    She seems to be saying life is complicated.
    And grammar too, apparently.
    Yes well I suggest you listen to anyone taking except in the most formal of situations - like great speeches - and see how grammatically correct they are when you try and write it down.

    People don't 'speak grammar'. Almost no one does these days. If this is something she has written then it is bloody awful. If it is something that has been transcribed from a two way conversation then it is stupid to expect it to be grammatically perfect.
    Yes, no one looks good quoted word for word.

    She may well be inarticulate - though she seems to get mocked a lot for her diction unreasonably - but transcription may not be the best way to show that, as without hearing it it's hard to say how bad it was in real terms.
  • MaxPB said:

    Bloody hell, I'm having to run remote training for all senior level analysts and above for Looker as I'm the data viz evangelist. Remote training is the worst. Don't know how anyone does this for a living.

    Welcome to my world, except I have been doing it several times a day since March.
    Luckily I don't have anyone on the line who is senior to me, so I suppose that is different.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,933

    Scott_xP said:

    Even I'm amazed at the rapidity at which Trump's relevance has collapsed.

    The whole thing already feels like a weird bad dream.

    See Bobby Eweing upthread.

    Also this

    https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1352084474519928833
    Now I have this scene going though my head:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRTjgRN9Agg

    (it actually CGI, not the original, but it was the best version I could find).
    The sound Biden heard when entering the WH:

    "The option to override automatic detonation has expired....."
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 831
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Nigelb said:
    Do we think this will have a long-term effect on influenza - or could it just bounce back to previous levels in 2022? Has hand-washing become a change in behaviour that will keep it battered?
    Not unless we permanently change behaviour - which is possible, I guess.
    What it does demonstrate is the the flu is considerably less infectious than Covid.
    I wonder whether missing out on a flu season could make the next one worse, particularly as the flu still got the opportunity to continue evolving in countries without lockdowns.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    kinabalu said:

    BBC reporter just said "Green-lighted". Urgh!

    Too many BBC reporters are sadly illighterate...
    And others too. Imp to recognize that. The Beeb is quite imp - no, it's very imp - but it's not the whole of the media. Not a trivial issue, this, either. Maintaining standards of language is a matter of the utmost imp.
    Thank you for favouring us with your imp-ish humour.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Nigelb said:
    Do we think this will have a long-term effect on influenza - or could it just bounce back to previous levels in 2022? Has hand-washing become a change in behaviour that will keep it battered?
    Since adopting the advice given by a school teacher friend of the importance of washing your hands several times a day, and under your fingernails, I have been free of colds and flu. That was over five years ago. I guess the NHS was right all along: NOW WASH YOUR HANDS.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126

    Mr. Divvie, slavery era? That'd be most of human history...

    I'd imagine 'our' slavery era is implied. Don't think there's too much statuary from the classical age in the square mile in any case.
    True, (I presume it means our modern slavery era, surely we had slaves before then) though it's an odd turn of phrase, as presumably some statues from the slavery era are not slavery related or financed.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,209
    What about Jenrick? He'll intervene surely. Ok it says "City of London votes to ..." but that fools no-one. Somewhere along the line there will have been pressure from a baying mob.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    IPSOS Poll - Strong majority feel positively toward Biden’s inauguration speech

    https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/Biden-inauguration-speech

    "Washington, DC, January 20, 2021 — More than eight in ten Americans rate President Joe Biden’s inauguration speech as good, according to an Ipsos snap poll conducted immediately following today’s speech.

    Detailed Findings

    Eighty-three percent say Biden’s speech was very (57%) or somewhat (26%) good. There is bipartisan agreement on this: 97% of Democrats rate Biden’s speech as good, along with 72% of Republicans and 78% of Independents.

    When it comes to believing Biden’s rhetoric in the speech, Democrats are unified while Republicans are evenly split.

    > Overall, around two-thirds of Americans believe Biden when he says he will be a president for all Americans, that his soul is in uniting the nation, and that he will fight as hard for those who did not support him as those who did (67% believe each of those statements).

    > On those three, nearly equal numbers of Republicans believe those statements as those who do not believe, while around 90% of Democrats believe Biden’s words.

    There is broad, bipartisan agreement with the themes of unity, democracy, and action that Biden outlined.

    > Around three-quarters of Americans agree with what Biden said in his speech, that “Democracy is fragile, democracy is precious, and democracy has prevailed” (73% agree). This includes 91% of Democrats and 59% of Republicans.

    > Larger numbers agree with the statement that “Each of us has a duty and responsibility to defend the truth and defeat the lies” (88% overall, including 98% of Democrats and 78% of Republicans).

    About the Study

    These are the findings of an Ipsos poll conducted between 2:00pm ET and 3:00pm ET on January 20, 2021. For this survey, a sample of 498 adults age 18-64 from the continental U.S., Alaska, and Hawaii was interviewed online in English."

    [Goes on to say that] "the poll has a credibility interval of plus or minus 5.0 percentage points for all respondents."

    Addendum - the omission of folks 65+ would appear problematic. HOWEVER, must say that the numbers above seem to me to make more sense, than the real-time reviews of Biden's speech posted on PB yesterday.

    Instant impact. Trump who?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Looks like the Johnson & Johnson Phase III results may be imminent; this article quotes the principal investigator for the study site in New Jersey as saying that the data may be “locked” and submitted to an independent review board today or very soon after:

    https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/01/21/johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-results-soon-one-dose/4202974001/

    The Phase II results already look good, so fingers crossed that we're going to have this one available soon.

    Would be excellent news. It's a one-shot-stop!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    MaxPB said:

    Looks like the Johnson & Johnson Phase III results may be imminent; this article quotes the principal investigator for the study site in New Jersey as saying that the data may be “locked” and submitted to an independent review board today or very soon after:

    https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/01/21/johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-results-soon-one-dose/4202974001/

    The Phase II results already look good, so fingers crossed that we're going to have this one available soon.

    30m doses plus an option for 22m more, it could completely change the game for us if it has 80%+ efficacy with a single jab.
    Change the game for a lot of places if their production is good - the EU had sizable orders.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    kinabalu said:

    What about Jenrick? He'll intervene surely. Ok it says "City of London votes to ..." but that fools no-one. Somewhere along the line there will have been pressure from a baying mob.
    Those derivatives traders are easily whipped up to a frenzy.
  • The symbolism of removing statues is starting to come across as virtue-signalling and in some cases even smacks of burying rather than celebrating Black history. Instead of hiding a statue of someone who made money from slaves, why not write a big cheque that might actually help their descendants?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    edited January 2021
    kinabalu said:

    What about Jenrick? He'll intervene surely. Ok it says "City of London votes to ..." but that fools no-one. Somewhere along the line there will have been pressure from a baying mob.
    The government does overrule local decisions on occasion. If an area reps vote to remove that's fine by me, but the gov can pick up the baton if it wants, no big deal either. So long as processes permit them to overrule.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,442

    Scott_xP said:

    Even I'm amazed at the rapidity at which Trump's relevance has collapsed.

    The whole thing already feels like a weird bad dream.

    See Bobby Eweing upthread.

    Also this

    https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1352084474519928833
    Now I have this scene going though my head:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRTjgRN9Agg

    (it actually CGI, not the original, but it was the best version I could find).
    Somebody wake up Hudson...
    Surely woke up (sorry)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,880

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Getting their excuses in early? What have the Dems been doing the last three months?
    Preparing, despite almost no cooperation or information from the outgoing administration.
    I think they will meet their targets.
    One piece of interesting targeting - Biden as said that they are targeting 1m vaccinations a day.

    The current number is around 900K per day

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-19-vaccination-doses?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=earliest..latest&country=~USA&region=World
    Meet the new Prez. Same as the old Prez.

    That does not put a spring in your step that this regime is going to grab Covid by the scruff of the neck.
    Barely had time to peek inside the larder. It's not as if the Trumps were showing them around to measure the curtains.
  • Flegs and Scotch whisky, a heady cocktail.

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1352192652918321152?s=20
  • Nigelb said:
    Do we think this will have a long-term effect on influenza - or could it just bounce back to previous levels in 2022? Has hand-washing become a change in behaviour that will keep it battered?
    Since adopting the advice given by a school teacher friend of the importance of washing your hands several times a day, and under your fingernails, I have been free of colds and flu. That was over five years ago. I guess the NHS was right all along: NOW WASH YOUR HANDS.
    Wash your hands, and use a tissue if you want to rub your eyes.

    Though the NHS is now advertising flu jabs again and I saw an advert for pneumonia jabs too earlier today.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    At least he didn't go American and still call him President Trump.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,880

    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:
    She seems to be saying life is complicated.
    And grammar too, apparently.
    Yes well I suggest you listen to anyone taking except in the most formal of situations - like great speeches - and see how grammatically correct they are when you try and write it down.

    People don't 'speak grammar'. Almost no one does these days. If this is something she has written then it is bloody awful. If it is something that has been transcribed from a two way conversation then it is stupid to expect it to be grammatically perfect.
    The old Head of Classics at my present school, who retired in 1996, was the only person I knew who actually spoke in grammatically correct sentences. I think I'm doing well if I can write them.
    I imagine he had to do so as a living day in day out and it rubbed off on his Anglish. I wonder if most Romans sounded more Neapolitan than Ciceronian.
  • Looks like the Johnson & Johnson Phase III results may be imminent; this article quotes the principal investigator for the study site in New Jersey as saying that the data may be “locked” and submitted to an independent review board today or very soon after:

    https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/01/21/johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-results-soon-one-dose/4202974001/

    The Phase II results already look good, so fingers crossed that we're going to have this one available soon.

    Would be excellent news. It's a one-shot-stop!
    Yes, although they are also testing a two-dose regimen.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,933
    EU commission not being generous with their vaccines or something?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,204

    Looks like the Johnson & Johnson Phase III results may be imminent; this article quotes the principal investigator for the study site in New Jersey as saying that the data may be “locked” and submitted to an independent review board today or very soon after:

    https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/01/21/johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-results-soon-one-dose/4202974001/

    The Phase II results already look good, so fingers crossed that we're going to have this one available soon.

    Would be excellent news. It's a one-shot-stop!
    J&J being one shot efficate increases the chances that our strategy with Pfizer/Astra is OK too tbh. I mean I still wish we'd stick to the manufacturers recommendation but obviously I don't want to be correct on that.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,600
    edited January 2021
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Getting their excuses in early? What have the Dems been doing the last three months?
    Preparing, despite almost no cooperation or information from the outgoing administration.
    I think they will meet their targets.
    One piece of interesting targeting - Biden as said that they are targeting 1m vaccinations a day.

    The current number is around 900K per day

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-19-vaccination-doses?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=earliest..latest&country=~USA&region=World
    Meet the new Prez. Same as the old Prez.

    That does not put a spring in your step that this regime is going to grab Covid by the scruff of the neck.
    Barely had time to peek inside the larder. It's not as if the Trumps were showing them around to measure the curtains.
    Are you suggesting that is where Trump kept America's vaccine supplies?

    Biden has had ten weeks since being elected President to create a better plan. That's 20% of the life of this pandemic. Excuse me if I raise an eyebrow.
  • MetatronMetatron Posts: 193
    Matt Hancock is 50/1 with Spreadex to be next Tory leader whilst Sunak is 2/1.Maybe i am missing something but surely if the Vaccines programmes go well Hancock's odds will shorten significantly whilst if Rishi has to introduce very unpopular taxes his odds will go out.When Theresa May went out of favour after her 2014 Party Conference speech i got 33/1 on her being the next Tory leader.On the other hand i lost lots of money laying Boris Johnson not to win the 2019 Tory Leadership at the start and still cannot believe what the likes of Amber Rudd were doing supporting him
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,209

    Saw this on previous thread and LOL!

    It's quite clear the Democrats have been wholly captured by the Wokeists; this will be the most toe-curlingly Woke and wanky US administration there has ever been.

    It will do nothing to solve America's divisions or heal them, except exacerbate them further. The only question is whether the Republicans can capitalise on it in November 2022, or whether their own fratricidal civil war will consume them, giving more space to the nutters in the Dems.

    Sad.

    Looks like @RealDonaldTrump has hijacked @Casino_Royale's account!!!
    It's comments like that which drive Trump's support.

    If you say to people, who oppose the way the Democrats say and do some things, "Ergh! Trumpite!", then you risk annoying them so much that they end up feeling compelled to pick the side you don't want.

    I've been clear enough on here I couldn't actively support the Democrats or Republicans right now. I would never have voted for Trump. I might have voted Republican for the House but only to constrain Pelosi.

    I don't buy the you're either with us or against us narrative. Politics has to be more sophisticated than that if we want constructive solutions rather than polarisation.
    "It's quite clear the Democrats have been wholly captured by the Wokeists"

    "I don't buy the you're either with us or against us narrative. Politics has to be more sophisticated than that if we want constructive solutions rather than polarisation."

    The inconsistency gives my head a wobble, and many other posters too.
    What's inconsistent about that?

    I mean it's been captured by people who are dogmatic about it, and I explained my criticism of that on here last night. Their reaction (and that of some others on here) to criticism of that seems to be that if you disagree with it you must be a bigot, extremist or Trumpite.

    That's entirely consistent, and proves my point.
    The first statement is hugely polarising! The wokeists Dems, such as they are, lost the Presidential primaries to a centrist 78 year old tradionional old school values candidate who would not be out of place in a govt led by Ken Clarke or even Margaret Thatcher. Yet in your mind its quite clear they have been "wholly" captured by the wokeists. It is baffling, pure and simple, even more so when you then also say you are against polarisation and absolutism.
    I think the statement "The Republican Party has been captured by White Supremacy" is less hyperbolic. But in any case there's a comms problem in discussing how woke are the Democrats. For example, Biden has reversed the Trump ban on transgender in the military. Is that a woke measure?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,880

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Getting their excuses in early? What have the Dems been doing the last three months?
    Preparing, despite almost no cooperation or information from the outgoing administration.
    I think they will meet their targets.
    One piece of interesting targeting - Biden as said that they are targeting 1m vaccinations a day.

    The current number is around 900K per day

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-19-vaccination-doses?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=earliest..latest&country=~USA&region=World
    Meet the new Prez. Same as the old Prez.

    That does not put a spring in your step that this regime is going to grab Covid by the scruff of the neck.
    Barely had time to peek inside the larder. It's not as if the Trumps were showing them around to measure the curtains.
    Are you suggesting that is where Trump kept America's vaccine supplies?

    Bideh has had ten weeks since being elected President to create a better plan. That's 20% of the life of this pandemic. Excuse me if I raise an eyebrow.
    Did he have access to the civil service and relevant departments? My impression is otherwise.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,036

    .

    TimT said:

    Sandpit said:

    BBC reporter just said "Green-lighted". Urgh!

    Wait until the Olympics, when ‘medal’ becomes a verb.
    Winningest is an Americanism that is creeping in more and more..
    It's ugly but there really is no other word that does the job.
    The Americanism winningmost does the job. I wonder if one started as a misheard version of the other.
    I love new words that wrap up a concept or an activity better than the currently available vocab. Rubbernecking is still, decades on, one of my favorite neologisms.

    Is "green-lighting" better or worse than "giving the go-ahead" or "approving"? Personally, I think it is for certain situations, as the traffic light reference implies not just approval, but approval for something that was previously held up.
    Tbh I thought the original objection was not to green-lighting as a verb but to green-lighted rather than green-lit as the past participle but I am a PBer of very little brain.
    I can't cope with the verbification. The use of lighted just took it to a whole new level of unacceptability.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    RobD said:

    EU commission not being generous with their vaccines or something?
    What has this got to do with the EU ffs?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,866

    Looks like the Johnson & Johnson Phase III results may be imminent; this article quotes the principal investigator for the study site in New Jersey as saying that the data may be “locked” and submitted to an independent review board today or very soon after:

    https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/01/21/johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-results-soon-one-dose/4202974001/

    The Phase II results already look good, so fingers crossed that we're going to have this one available soon.

    Would be excellent news. It's a one-shot-stop!
    Yes, although they are also testing a two-dose regimen.
    That could be to see which interval works best to go from 70-80% to 95%+, they started the booster shot trial once the results from the mRNA vaccines showed 95% efficacy with two jabs so a competing product with 70-80% would struggle in the profitable western markets.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,388
    kinabalu said:

    What about Jenrick? He'll intervene surely. Ok it says "City of London votes to ..." but that fools no-one. Somewhere along the line there will have been pressure from a baying mob.
    Bankers' Lives Matter, presumably.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,933

    RobD said:

    EU commission not being generous with their vaccines or something?
    What has this got to do with the EU ffs?
    I recall there being a coordinated program to secure vaccines.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    kinabalu said:

    What about Jenrick? He'll intervene surely. Ok it says "City of London votes to ..." but that fools no-one. Somewhere along the line there will have been pressure from a baying mob.
    The Snowflakers and the Wokeists sound exciting in a 19th century sort of way
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    Metatron said:

    Matt Hancock is 50/1 with Spreadex to be next Tory leader whilst Sunak is 2/1.Maybe i am missing something but surely if the Vaccines programmes go well Hancock's odds will shorten significantly whilst if Rishi has to introduce very unpopular taxes his odds will go out.When Theresa May went out of favour after her 2014 Party Conference speech i got 33/1 on her being the next Tory leader.On the other hand i lost lots of money laying Boris Johnson not to win the 2019 Tory Leadership at the start and still cannot believe what the likes of Amber Rudd were doing supporting him

    The UK may well have one of the highest death rates in the world when this is all done, and very high even if not given all big western European nations have been hit hard, so I dont think the gov generally or hom as health sec will get much public gratitude even if deserved for the things that did go well. Lacking that public goodwill can he get MPs and members on board? So will his chances really improve I wonder.

    But agreed on Sunaks odds. Hes had his heyday there.
  • Metatron said:

    Matt Hancock is 50/1 with Spreadex to be next Tory leader whilst Sunak is 2/1.Maybe i am missing something but surely if the Vaccines programmes go well Hancock's odds will shorten significantly whilst if Rishi has to introduce very unpopular taxes his odds will go out.When Theresa May went out of favour after her 2014 Party Conference speech i got 33/1 on her being the next Tory leader.On the other hand i lost lots of money laying Boris Johnson not to win the 2019 Tory Leadership at the start and still cannot believe what the likes of Amber Rudd were doing supporting him

    Yes, good call.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    EU commission not being generous with their vaccines or something?
    What has this got to do with the EU ffs?
    I recall there being a coordinated program to secure vaccines.
    But Northern Ireland isn't in the EU, for the time being.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,933
    edited January 2021

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    EU commission not being generous with their vaccines or something?
    What has this got to do with the EU ffs?
    I recall there being a coordinated program to secure vaccines.
    But Northern Ireland isn't in the EU, for the time being.
    Quite right. Reading too quickly. :D

    Perhaps the blame lies in Westminster?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487

    I'm getting confused on this thread with people discussing the downsides of casinos, and to me as Casino.

    Seems that Andrew Yang wants to make YOU a new profit-revenue center for New York City.

    Have you woke-en up to the challenge?
    Hey, if he wants to put money in my pocket, who am I to say no?

    All Whites are racist. Men and women don't exist except as a social construct. My pronouns are Casini and Casinx.

    I could do this.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,665
    edited January 2021
    Wait, what the feck?

    https://twitter.com/KateGreenSU/status/1352272203325317120

    Gavin Williamson once more proving he is a risk to national security.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,209
    edited January 2021
    Metatron said:

    Matt Hancock is 50/1 with Spreadex to be next Tory leader whilst Sunak is 2/1.Maybe i am missing something but surely if the Vaccines programmes go well Hancock's odds will shorten significantly whilst if Rishi has to introduce very unpopular taxes his odds will go out.When Theresa May went out of favour after her 2014 Party Conference speech i got 33/1 on her being the next Tory leader.On the other hand i lost lots of money laying Boris Johnson not to win the 2019 Tory Leadership at the start and still cannot believe what the likes of Amber Rudd were doing supporting him

    I think Sunak is too short. I don't know if Hancock is too long. But note how you (like many people) talk about "Rishi" and don't even think about bestowing a "Matt" on Hancock. This is hugely significant. You need a brand these days.
  • DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Getting their excuses in early? What have the Dems been doing the last three months?
    Name a single administration either side of the Atlantic that, in the days after taking power, doesn't do quite a bit of sucking of air through their teeth and saying "blimey, some cowboy's been working on this - I can fix it, but it'll cost". It's absolutely standard practice.
    The behaviour of the outgoing administration, though, is almost uniquely un-standard.
    Trump himself positively boasted about that in his goodbye speech at St Andrews Airforce base yesterday.
    So he's in Scotland already?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    kinabalu said:

    Metatron said:

    Matt Hancock is 50/1 with Spreadex to be next Tory leader whilst Sunak is 2/1.Maybe i am missing something but surely if the Vaccines programmes go well Hancock's odds will shorten significantly whilst if Rishi has to introduce very unpopular taxes his odds will go out.When Theresa May went out of favour after her 2014 Party Conference speech i got 33/1 on her being the next Tory leader.On the other hand i lost lots of money laying Boris Johnson not to win the 2019 Tory Leadership at the start and still cannot believe what the likes of Amber Rudd were doing supporting him

    I think Sunak is too short. I don't know if Hancock is too long. But note how you (like many people) talk about "Rishi" and don't even think about bestowing a "Matt" on Hancock. This is hugely significant. You need a brand these days.
    When you fell for Boris you really fell.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,036
    Latest in a series of railway-related puns on the daily numbers:

    37892 positives. Folk are still syphoning up the virus.

    https://www.class37.co.uk/fleet.aspx?strnumber=37892


  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,880

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Getting their excuses in early? What have the Dems been doing the last three months?
    Name a single administration either side of the Atlantic that, in the days after taking power, doesn't do quite a bit of sucking of air through their teeth and saying "blimey, some cowboy's been working on this - I can fix it, but it'll cost". It's absolutely standard practice.
    The behaviour of the outgoing administration, though, is almost uniquely un-standard.
    Trump himself positively boasted about that in his goodbye speech at St Andrews Airforce base yesterday.
    So he's in Scotland already?
    That'd be RAF Leuchars.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    With SAGE laying out in full the reasons to continue lockdown post the Great Vaccination, and Johnson more or less ruling out any relaxation in the spring at all, and Sunak extending furlough again, my predictions of pubs opening in June 21 looks better by the day. Indeed, Its even starting to look optimistic

    Lifting dates are not getting closer. They are getting further away. The lock down is now essentially more or less permanent. Soon we will be told not to even bother to ask. We will get back to you.


  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,671
    edited January 2021

    Nigelb said:
    Do we think this will have a long-term effect on influenza - or could it just bounce back to previous levels in 2022? Has hand-washing become a change in behaviour that will keep it battered?
    Since adopting the advice given by a school teacher friend of the importance of washing your hands several times a day, and under your fingernails, I have been free of colds and flu. That was over five years ago. I guess the NHS was right all along: NOW WASH YOUR HANDS.
    Wash your hands, and use a tissue if you want to rub your eyes.

    Though the NHS is now advertising flu jabs again and I saw an advert for pneumonia jabs too earlier today.
    My local GP invited me for a flu jab this week.

    I refused on the grounds that:
    a) There's almost no flu.
    b) There's an awful lot of covid and it would be the riskiest thing I'd be likely to be doing in the next month.

    Not sure whether that was justified...



  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126

    Wait, what the feck?

    https://twitter.com/KateGreenSU/status/1352272203325317120

    Gavin Williamson once more proving he is a risk to national security.

    Best case scenario for him is he has no clue on how to get a grip on a chaotic, incompetent department. That's his best case, that he is useless.

    The more likely case is he makes things worse and is dangerously useless.

    It's almost impressive how he manages it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,209
    Oh that wretched flag again. Stop it, Keir. Let's have a nice rainbow in the background.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,442

    With SAGE laying out in full the reasons to continue lockdown post the Great Vaccination, and Johnson more or less ruling out any relaxation in the spring at all, and Sunak extending furlough again, my predictions of pubs opening in June 21 looks better by the day. Indeed, Its even starting to look optimistic

    Lifting dates are not getting closer. They are getting further away. The lock down is now essentially more or less permanent. Soon we will be told not to even bother to ask. We will get back to you.


    Checks todays date, ah yes, Jan 21st. I'd wait until mid March and see before being quite so confident of not opening pubs before Jun 21st. I'd much rather Johnson is not over promising re opening, than the other alternative.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,398

    The symbolism of removing statues is starting to come across as virtue-signalling and in some cases even smacks of burying rather than celebrating Black history. Instead of hiding a statue of someone who made money from slaves, why not write a big cheque that might actually help their descendants?
    The City of London are simply taking action to innoculate themselves from future criticism. Once they'd started this consultation they had to identify something or that criticism would never have ended.

    I actually responsed to this consultation (which wasn't acknowledged). I said it was a distraction and they should examine how more internships, mentoring and coaching programmes could be established to increase opportunities and in-career support for underrepresented ethnic minorities. I said more role models, networks and contacts were needed and these need to go out into schools and communities. I also said this shouldn't forget the poorer white working class, who are not getting much attention at the moment, but are often bottom of the educational attainment pyramid.

    I'm not holding my breath on any of that.
    That costs money and requires effort - removing a few statues into the Museum of London costs little and is a one off.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,866
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    EU commission not being generous with their vaccines or something?
    What has this got to do with the EU ffs?
    I recall there being a coordinated program to secure vaccines.
    Not for Northern Ireland, they're in the UK scheme.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,600
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Getting their excuses in early? What have the Dems been doing the last three months?
    Preparing, despite almost no cooperation or information from the outgoing administration.
    I think they will meet their targets.
    One piece of interesting targeting - Biden as said that they are targeting 1m vaccinations a day.

    The current number is around 900K per day

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-19-vaccination-doses?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=earliest..latest&country=~USA&region=World
    Meet the new Prez. Same as the old Prez.

    That does not put a spring in your step that this regime is going to grab Covid by the scruff of the neck.
    Barely had time to peek inside the larder. It's not as if the Trumps were showing them around to measure the curtains.
    Are you suggesting that is where Trump kept America's vaccine supplies?

    Bideh has had ten weeks since being elected President to create a better plan. That's 20% of the life of this pandemic. Excuse me if I raise an eyebrow.
    Did he have access to the civil service and relevant departments? My impression is otherwise.
    He's had access to the myriad sources in the US saying that the Trump response was a disaster for reasons A --> Z.

    I genuinely expected him to have an immediate plan to roll out, showing how different he was in getting the USA out of the laissez-faire clutches of the previous regime's handling of the pandemic. If in a few weeks time it transpires the Biden Plan for Covid isn't a world of difference away from the Trump way of dealing with it, that will be a hard blow for the economy to take.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,671
    edited January 2021

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    EU commission not being generous with their vaccines or something?
    What has this got to do with the EU ffs?
    I recall there being a coordinated program to secure vaccines.
    But Northern Ireland isn't in the EU, for the time being.
    People from the unvaccinated Republic will be able to cross the border freely though...
  • eekeek Posts: 28,398
    edited January 2021

    Nigelb said:
    Do we think this will have a long-term effect on influenza - or could it just bounce back to previous levels in 2022? Has hand-washing become a change in behaviour that will keep it battered?
    Since adopting the advice given by a school teacher friend of the importance of washing your hands several times a day, and under your fingernails, I have been free of colds and flu. That was over five years ago. I guess the NHS was right all along: NOW WASH YOUR HANDS.
    Wash your hands, and use a tissue if you want to rub your eyes.

    Though the NHS is now advertising flu jabs again and I saw an advert for pneumonia jabs too earlier today.
    My local GP invited me for a flu jab this week.

    I refused on the grounds that:
    a) There's almost no flu.
    b) There's an awful lot of covid and it would be the riskiest thing I'd be likely to be doing in the next month.

    Not sure whether that was justified...



    I would get a flu jab but as you say it would literally be the only time I was likely to be near other people so there is more chance of me catching something while getting the injection than there is from me catching flu.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    With SAGE laying out in full the reasons to continue lockdown post the Great Vaccination, and Johnson more or less ruling out any relaxation in the spring at all, and Sunak extending furlough again, my predictions of pubs opening in June 21 looks better by the day. Indeed, Its even starting to look optimistic

    Lifting dates are not getting closer. They are getting further away. The lock down is now essentially more or less permanent. Soon we will be told not to even bother to ask. We will get back to you.


    Checks todays date, ah yes, Jan 21st. I'd wait until mid March and see before being quite so confident of not opening pubs before Jun 21st. I'd much rather Johnson is not over promising re opening, than the other alternative.
    Sage has enormous power with Johnson. If they say lock downs should continue post vaccination, then they will.

  • kinabalu said:

    Oh that wretched flag again. Stop it, Keir. Let's have a nice rainbow in the background.
    His fleggery seems rather crude and scattergun; as leader of a British party SKS has obviously got to stroke that g-spot occasionally, but time and place etc.

    Case in point, he's had that piece published in the Glasgow Herald (which is a bit odd in itself), a Union flag is not solely a positive>neutral symbol in Glasgow or a wider Scotland.
  • 1,290 deaths and 37,892 cases announced today.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,880

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Getting their excuses in early? What have the Dems been doing the last three months?
    Preparing, despite almost no cooperation or information from the outgoing administration.
    I think they will meet their targets.
    One piece of interesting targeting - Biden as said that they are targeting 1m vaccinations a day.

    The current number is around 900K per day

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-19-vaccination-doses?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=earliest..latest&country=~USA&region=World
    Meet the new Prez. Same as the old Prez.

    That does not put a spring in your step that this regime is going to grab Covid by the scruff of the neck.
    Barely had time to peek inside the larder. It's not as if the Trumps were showing them around to measure the curtains.
    Are you suggesting that is where Trump kept America's vaccine supplies?

    Bideh has had ten weeks since being elected President to create a better plan. That's 20% of the life of this pandemic. Excuse me if I raise an eyebrow.
    Did he have access to the civil service and relevant departments? My impression is otherwise.
    He's had access to the myriad sources in the US saying that the Trump response was a disaster for reasons A --> Z.

    I genuinely expected him to have an immediate plan to roll out, showing how different he was in getting the USA out of the laissez-faire clutches of the previous regime's handling of the pandemic. If in a few weeks time it transpires the Biden Plan for Covid isn't a world of difference away from the Trump way of dealing with it, that will be a hard blow for the economy to take.
    Aren't you perhaps confusing 'policy' with 'plan'? The latter does need more detailed work, with people familiar with the setups. And in any case much of it is subsumed under States' Rights, I imagine? Far less centralised than the UK. But on the other hand, yes, the Americans do throw out half, or it seems like it, the civil service every time the President changes.

    Mr Biden has made his view/policy on the pox crystal clear in the sense, for instance, he weats face masks and enjoins their use.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,866
    It's odd for an American to be so exercised by this stuff. I could sort of get a German person getting oddly defensive given its the shit they're living with and they might have buyer's remorse. I don't understand an American giving enough of a shit to do custome visualisations.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,357
    UK cases by specimen date

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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,880

    kinabalu said:

    Oh that wretched flag again. Stop it, Keir. Let's have a nice rainbow in the background.
    His fleggery seems rather crude and scattergun; as leader of a British party SKS has obviously got to stroke that g-spot occasionally, but time and place etc.

    Case in point, he's had that piece published in the Glasgow Herald (which is a bit odd in itself), a Union flag is not solely a positive>neutral symbol in Glasgow or a wider Scotland.
    I wondered if in fairness thatr might be a stock photolib shot and the UF is fortuitous, but I can see no credit either to a library or staff snapper. So presumably sent out by the Labour Party HQ in London. Wouldn't be the first time they have put their foot in it in Glasgow (vide Mr Corbyn's speech demanding the renationalisation of Scottish Water plc).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,357
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  • eekeek Posts: 28,398
    This is going to be interesting to explain away

    https://twitter.com/SharonBarbour/status/1352206531836731392

  • Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Getting their excuses in early? What have the Dems been doing the last three months?
    Preparing, despite almost no cooperation or information from the outgoing administration.
    I think they will meet their targets.
    One piece of interesting targeting - Biden as said that they are targeting 1m vaccinations a day.

    The current number is around 900K per day

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-19-vaccination-doses?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=earliest..latest&country=~USA&region=World
    Meet the new Prez. Same as the old Prez.

    That does not put a spring in your step that this regime is going to grab Covid by the scruff of the neck.
    Barely had time to peek inside the larder. It's not as if the Trumps were showing them around to measure the curtains.
    Are you suggesting that is where Trump kept America's vaccine supplies?

    Bideh has had ten weeks since being elected President to create a better plan. That's 20% of the life of this pandemic. Excuse me if I raise an eyebrow.
    Did he have access to the civil service and relevant departments? My impression is otherwise.
    He's had access to the myriad sources in the US saying that the Trump response was a disaster for reasons A --> Z.

    I genuinely expected him to have an immediate plan to roll out, showing how different he was in getting the USA out of the laissez-faire clutches of the previous regime's handling of the pandemic. If in a few weeks time it transpires the Biden Plan for Covid isn't a world of difference away from the Trump way of dealing with it, that will be a hard blow for the economy to take.
    Aren't you perhaps confusing 'policy' with 'plan'? The latter does need more detailed work, with people familiar with the setups. And in any case much of it is subsumed under States' Rights, I imagine? Far less centralised than the UK. But on the other hand, yes, the Americans do throw out half, or it seems like it, the civil service every time the President changes.

    Mr Biden has made his view/policy on the pox crystal clear in the sense, for instance, he weats face masks and enjoins their use.
    Day 2, Biden already disappointing expectant and optimistic conservatives who were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, who could have predicted?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,357
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  • MaxPB said:

    It's odd for an American to be so exercised by this stuff. I could sort of get a German person getting oddly defensive given its the shit they're living with and they might have buyer's remorse. I don't understand an American giving enough of a shit to do custome visualisations.
    He's making a good point, though. There's a huge difference in how well EU27 countries have been doing since supply became available (a faster rate than us in some cases). The key tweet is this one:

    https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1352275122594443265
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,209
    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    What about Jenrick? He'll intervene surely. Ok it says "City of London votes to ..." but that fools no-one. Somewhere along the line there will have been pressure from a baying mob.
    Those derivatives traders are easily whipped up to a frenzy.
    Yes. The City has clearly changed a lot since my time. What is still to this day the most reactionary event I have ever attended was a formal dinner at Butchers Hall for The Worshipful Company Of Butchers. Talk about your traditional values. Just about every traditional value you can think of was showcased to the max.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    1,290 deaths and 37,892 cases announced today.

    Admissions?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,357
    UK deaths

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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,880

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    tlg86 said:

    Getting their excuses in early? What have the Dems been doing the last three months?
    Preparing, despite almost no cooperation or information from the outgoing administration.
    I think they will meet their targets.
    One piece of interesting targeting - Biden as said that they are targeting 1m vaccinations a day.

    The current number is around 900K per day

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-19-vaccination-doses?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=earliest..latest&country=~USA&region=World
    Meet the new Prez. Same as the old Prez.

    That does not put a spring in your step that this regime is going to grab Covid by the scruff of the neck.
    Barely had time to peek inside the larder. It's not as if the Trumps were showing them around to measure the curtains.
    Are you suggesting that is where Trump kept America's vaccine supplies?

    Bideh has had ten weeks since being elected President to create a better plan. That's 20% of the life of this pandemic. Excuse me if I raise an eyebrow.
    Did he have access to the civil service and relevant departments? My impression is otherwise.
    He's had access to the myriad sources in the US saying that the Trump response was a disaster for reasons A --> Z.

    I genuinely expected him to have an immediate plan to roll out, showing how different he was in getting the USA out of the laissez-faire clutches of the previous regime's handling of the pandemic. If in a few weeks time it transpires the Biden Plan for Covid isn't a world of difference away from the Trump way of dealing with it, that will be a hard blow for the economy to take.
    Aren't you perhaps confusing 'policy' with 'plan'? The latter does need more detailed work, with people familiar with the setups. And in any case much of it is subsumed under States' Rights, I imagine? Far less centralised than the UK. But on the other hand, yes, the Americans do throw out half, or it seems like it, the civil service every time the President changes.

    Mr Biden has made his view/policy on the pox crystal clear in the sense, for instance, he weats face masks and enjoins their use.
    Day 2, Biden already disappointing expectant and optimistic conservatives who were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, who could have predicted?
    It did occur to me that they would complain if he came out with it early, on the grounds he hadn't even got his chief health person approved by the self same righties who are IIRC holding it all up, but maybe I've become too cynical after watching ScoTories and SLAB at Holyrood for the last decade and more.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Cases down and (finally) 7 day admissions starting to trend down:


  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,551

    kinabalu said:

    Oh that wretched flag again. Stop it, Keir. Let's have a nice rainbow in the background.
    His fleggery seems rather crude and scattergun; as leader of a British party SKS has obviously got to stroke that g-spot occasionally, but time and place etc.

    Case in point, he's had that piece published in the Glasgow Herald (which is a bit odd in itself), a Union flag is not solely a positive>neutral symbol in Glasgow or a wider Scotland.
    Perhaps when dealing with whisky matters he could just display a blue and white bit of the flag. When dealing with cricket, warm beer or whippet racing (especially popular among Labour's new middle class south), just the red and white. Consult Lady Nugee who knows how it is done.

  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    The symbolism of removing statues is starting to come across as virtue-signalling and in some cases even smacks of burying rather than celebrating Black history. Instead of hiding a statue of someone who made money from slaves, why not write a big cheque that might actually help their descendants?
    The City of London are simply taking action to innoculate themselves from future criticism. Once they'd started this consultation they had to identify something or that criticism would never have ended.

    I actually responsed to this consultation (which wasn't acknowledged). I said it was a distraction and they should examine how more internships, mentoring and coaching programmes could be established to increase opportunities and in-career support for underrepresented ethnic minorities. I said more role models, networks and contacts were needed and these need to go out into schools and communities. I also said this shouldn't forget the poorer white working class, who are not getting much attention at the moment, but are often bottom of the educational attainment pyramid.

    I'm not holding my breath on any of that.
    I'm not sure what any of those things have to do with statues.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,357
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  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    eek said:

    This is going to be interesting to explain away

    https://twitter.com/SharonBarbour/status/1352206531836731392

    Why don't they just adopt whatever policies NE+Y have adopted nationwide? If they're going faster then they are clearly better.
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