Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
I doubt it's coming here in the UK. USA, probably.
I would not pay to queue jump - it's not the money, it's the principle.
I fully expect to hear in due course you will be able to get it done in Turkey, so fairly easily available to Europeans. You will have to have the Russian or Chinese one though.
Fair enough. Even more reason to wait my turn in the UK.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
I doubt it's coming here in the UK. USA, probably.
I would not pay to queue jump - it's not the money, it's the principle.
I wouldn't pay, I'll just carrying on living as I have for the last 10 months, like Charlton Heston in The Omega Man.
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
Are you prattling on about Brexit again?
You voted for it.
STFU.
Is that true? If not it is the most appalling libel
Libel? Wowsers.
I voted to leave the EU. Leaving the EEA and CU to cripple ourselves wasn't what was billed.
Did you just not believe those who said Leave meant leaving the SM and CU?
There was a lot of people on the leave side who said we wouldn't...
Or that we'd leave the boring stuff, but that wouldn't matter, because free trade. That the SM, CU and associated politics were unnecessary.
Ages ago (before 2016, I think), I remember reading something about the difference between two different understandings of trade.
One is that it's like captains on the open sea, or wagons going over the Prairies. It just happens, and governments should get out of the way and let it work its magic.
The other is that it's like Alpine towns. It's good that they trade, but it needs effort and agreement to build and maintain the roads and bridges.
The UK is currently staking the house, pedigree cat and pension on the first model. Maybe they're right, but it's a helluva gamble.
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Thanks for the info. So when should I expect to not see any raspberries, soft lettuce or spinach on the shelves?
Never. Nobody said they won't be available. Just in short supply at a high price. Supply and demand baby...
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
And her brains too.
How would you know it was kosher?
Harley Street clinics are already asking people to sign up if they are interested in a private jab
"Work and pensions secretary Thérèse Coffey has admitted that the Government would not be able to stop private vaccine purchases. One website, the Harley Street Clinic Guide, which claims to connect people with the best doctors on London’s famous Harley Street, is already allowing people to pre-register their interest in getting a private jab. "
These clinics would not to utterly Chartwell, sorry, ruin their brand by dishing out the dodgy Chinese vax. It will be kosher
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
And her brains too.
How would you know it was kosher?
Harley Street clinics are already asking people to sign up if they are interested in a private jab
"Work and pensions secretary Thérèse Coffey has admitted that the Government would not be able to stop private vaccine purchases. One website, the Harley Street Clinic Guide, which claims to connect people with the best doctors on London’s famous Harley Street, is already allowing people to pre-register their interest in getting a private jab. "
These clinics would not to utterly Chartwell, sorry, ruin their brand by dishing out the dodgy Chinese vax. It will be kosher
There was the story a few days ago where a company was offering £5000 for every unused vaccine.
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Thanks for the info. So when should I expect to not see any raspberries, soft lettuce or spinach on the shelves?
To be honest, I've always been a little nostalgic for the days when fruit and veg had proper seasons.
Interesting - CNN commentator saying disqualification for future office isn’t an automatic consequence of impeachment and conviction, but has to be voted on separately (in the event of conviction).
If convicted that does not seem like it would prove a problem.
Especially as disqualification for future office only requires a simple majority.
This is the attaction for GOP to support impeachment, that they can then vote for future disqualification. The last thing they want is Trump running again in 2024 either inside or outside the GOP.
Oh goody, thank you - I do like to read a nice story of the struggle against the Malignants.
It’s pretty scathing about the Covenanters as well. Basically makes the case the civil war a coup by excluded group of nobles who manipulated parliament and acted treasonably with the Scots
So Royalist revisionism? I can see why you like it.
No - but essentially Warwick and his cousins (the Rich family) plus Devereaux and Bedford were excluded from royal favour once Buckingham took power. There was a religious aspect to it, but basically it was politics.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
I doubt it's coming here in the UK. USA, probably.
I would not pay to queue jump - it's not the money, it's the principle.
I wouldn't pay, I'll just carrying on living as I have for the last 10 months, like Charlton Heston in The Omega Man.
All very well, but please be a good chap and remember that there is a bag limit on Zombies outside the season.
US House Republicans who just voted to impeach Donald Trump:
> David Valadao of California CD21 (San Joaquin Valley) > Adam Kinzinger of Illinois CD10 (Rockford) > Peter Meijer of Michigan CD03 (Grand Rapids; Gerald Ford's old congressional district) > Fred Upton of Michigan CD06 (Kalamazoo) > John Katko of New York CD24 (Syracuse) > Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio CD16 (Canton; former NFL player representing site of US Football Hall of Fame) > Tom Rice of South Carolina CD07 (Myrtle Beach) > Jaime Herrera Beutler of Washington CD03 (Vancouver) > Dan Newhouse of Washington CD04 (Yakima) > Liz Cheney of Wyoming At-large
Proud that two are from Washington State. Including one whom I've helped campaign against in the not-so-distant past.
Kalamazoo? That's one awesome name, and demostrates why this CDNumber business just isn't right.
If you are a say at 40 year old, that makes several million a year and your job requires you to fly around the world, I can see those kind of people easily splashing out £10k+ for get their jab. Because otherwise they will more than likely be waiting until late summer / autumn. That's a long time for somebody who makes that kind of money.
An elite sports person probably would as well. The risk of you getting it and it totally screwing your abilities, it could be career over in some sports where the margins are absolutely tiny.
There is the example of the top tennis player who got it and 6+ months later he is still struggling. That may have cost him high £100ks / low millions in prize money.
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Thanks for the info. So when should I expect to not see any raspberries, soft lettuce or spinach on the shelves?
To be honest, I've always been a little nostalgic for the days when fruit and veg had proper seasons.
Maybe I should have voted Leave.
Ha. I must admit I didn't realise you could usually buy asparagus in January....
I hope they are far better then yesterday’s dismal return.
About 225k.
Thanks.
Much better! Let’s keep this rate of increase up.
Need to stabilise at 350k/day.
Yes, hopefully tomorrow will be even better. I think we'll get to ~300k by the end of this week and maybe 400k by the end of next week and almost all of them will be first jabs too.
They do 300k / day easily if there is supply, that's the issue at the moment.
I think the supply is almost ready for well over 3m jabs per week.
That's good to hear. I'm assuming your source is reliable.
Oh goody, thank you - I do like to read a nice story of the struggle against the Malignants.
It’s pretty scathing about the Covenanters as well. Basically makes the case the civil war a coup by excluded group of nobles who manipulated parliament and acted treasonably with the Scots
So Royalist revisionism? I can see why you like it.
No - but essentially Warwick and his cousins (the Rich family) plus Devereaux and Bedford were excluded from royal favour once Buckingham took power. There was a religious aspect to it, but basically it was politics.
Do you think Buckingham was a willing agent (or unwitting dupe) of French absolutism, the same way Trumpsky has aided & abetted Russian Putinism?
That was a really excellent book: I love the Civil War period.
So many political developments, so many religious factioning, it truly is one of the most fascinating parts of our history. I'm outraged I had to get to Uni before I was taught anything about it.
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Thanks for the info. So when should I expect to not see any raspberries, soft lettuce or spinach on the shelves?
To be honest, I've always been a little nostalgic for the days when fruit and veg had proper seasons.
Maybe I should have voted Leave.
Ha. I must admit I didn't realise you could usually buy asparagus in January....
Fringe benefit of global warming? Pretty soon you'll be able to purchase Cornish bananas!
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
And her brains too.
How would you know it was kosher?
Harley Street clinics are already asking people to sign up if they are interested in a private jab
"Work and pensions secretary Thérèse Coffey has admitted that the Government would not be able to stop private vaccine purchases. One website, the Harley Street Clinic Guide, which claims to connect people with the best doctors on London’s famous Harley Street, is already allowing people to pre-register their interest in getting a private jab. "
These clinics would not to utterly Chartwell, sorry, ruin their brand by dishing out the dodgy Chinese vax. It will be kosher
The government could legislate to stop it, if they were so minded. I think there'd be high-levels of public support.
The other question is, where are those clinics going to get their supplies from, if not the black market?
If you are a say at 40 year old, that makes several million a year and your job requires you to fly around the world, I can see those kind of people easily splashing out £10k+ for get their jab. Because otherwise they will more than likely be waiting until late summer / autumn. That's a long time for somebody who makes that kind of money.
Or you are someone that earns, I dunno, £100-200k a year, and your job requires close social interaction or travel, yet you have beloved family members who are very vulnerable, who you haven't seen in a year.
In fact, take that salary down to £70k a year (quite a few people). It's just £1000 for a jab. It allows you to hug your mother/sister/lover. A lot of people would pay it, I reckon. It is less than the price of a holiday and this means much much more than a holiday. But we shall see.
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Thanks for the info. So when should I expect to not see any raspberries, soft lettuce or spinach on the shelves?
Never. Nobody said they won't be available. Just in short supply at a high price. Supply and demand baby...
Right, ok, so buying habits will change. Maybe I'll stop seeing lots of soft fruit being reduced at the end of the day as now....
If you are a say at 40 year old, that makes several million a year and your job requires you to fly around the world, I can see those kind of people easily splashing out £10k+ for get their jab. Because otherwise they will more than likely be waiting until late summer / autumn. That's a long time for somebody who makes that kind of money.
Or you are someone that earns, I dunno, £100-200k a year, and your job requires close social interaction or travel, yet you have beloved family members who are very vulnerable, who you haven't seen in a year.
In fact, take that salary down to £70k a year (quite a few people). It's just £1000 for a jab. It allows you to hug your mother/sister/lover. A lot of people would pay it, I reckon. It is less than the price of a holiday and this means much much more than a holiday. But we shall see.
At a £1000, they would be overrun with takers, it would be a no-brainer for loads of people. Any grey-market will be a lot higher than that.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
Nothings too good for the hypocrites.
Reminds me of all those ultra marxists who send their kids to private school.
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
My wife has been unable to buy asparagus for love nor money
Plenty in Tesco's around here. In fact there is no obvious shortage of any fresh fruit, dairy or vegetables so far. Whatever the pinch points are fresh food does not seem to be one of them.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
And her brains too.
How would you know it was kosher?
Harley Street clinics are already asking people to sign up if they are interested in a private jab
"Work and pensions secretary Thérèse Coffey has admitted that the Government would not be able to stop private vaccine purchases. One website, the Harley Street Clinic Guide, which claims to connect people with the best doctors on London’s famous Harley Street, is already allowing people to pre-register their interest in getting a private jab. "
These clinics would not to utterly Chartwell, sorry, ruin their brand by dishing out the dodgy Chinese vax. It will be kosher
There was the story a few days ago where a company was offering £5000 for every unused vaccine.
Sounds like a good idea - the NHS could make a bit of money from the leftover stock. Got to love the free market.
If you are a say at 40 year old, that makes several million a year and your job requires you to fly around the world, I can see those kind of people easily splashing out £10k+ for get their jab. Because otherwise they will more than likely be waiting until late summer / autumn. That's a long time for somebody who makes that kind of money.
Or you are someone that earns, I dunno, £100-200k a year, and your job requires close social interaction or travel, yet you have beloved family members who are very vulnerable, who you haven't seen in a year.
In fact, take that salary down to £70k a year (quite a few people). It's just £1000 for a jab. It allows you to hug your mother/sister/lover. A lot of people would pay it, I reckon. It is less than the price of a holiday and this means much much more than a holiday. But we shall see.
Surely you'd want your vulnerable family members to have it first? Fortunately, HMG has seen fit to prioritise them.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
Nothings too good for the hypocrites.
Reminds me of all those ultra marxists who send their kids to private school.
Most of Jezza hard left mates all seemed incredibly wealthy from things like property development.....when I thought they viewed all property as theft.
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Thanks for the info. So when should I expect to not see any raspberries, soft lettuce or spinach on the shelves?
Never. Nobody said they won't be available. Just in short supply at a high price. Supply and demand baby...
I expect some disruption over the next 3-6 months as both sides of the channel grapple with new customs and IT systems they had only a few days notice for (other than of the change in principle) with no official transition period. However, I expect it to settle down.
It's in neither sides interests for it to fail. Spanish and French growers want to be able to sell their produce easily to the UK and their consumers also want to buy British seafood that they can't get at home, which is one big reason why fishing rights were such a big issue in the first place.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
I think that situation only arises if they start vaccinating 24 hours with the night time vaccinations being available to anyone for payment.
Oh goody, thank you - I do like to read a nice story of the struggle against the Malignants.
It’s pretty scathing about the Covenanters as well. Basically makes the case the civil war a coup by excluded group of nobles who manipulated parliament and acted treasonably with the Scots
So Royalist revisionism? I can see why you like it.
No - but essentially Warwick and his cousins (the Rich family) plus Devereaux and Bedford were excluded from royal favour once Buckingham took power. There was a religious aspect to it, but basically it was politics.
Do you think Buckingham was a willing agent (or unwitting dupe) of French absolutism, the same way Trumpsky has aided & abetted Russian Putinism?
I don’t know enough about the period / I’m really a long nineteenth century kinda guy
That was a really excellent book: I love the Civil War period.
So many political developments, so many religious factioning, it truly is one of the most fascinating parts of our history. I'm outraged I had to get to Uni before I was taught anything about it.
It was my specialist subject at uni, for third year history. Got to read lots of original documents from the era.
The online Yale lectures on that period are well worth a listen - lectures 19 to 21 in this series:
The number of new variants rather worry me. This one originated in Amazonas, one of the places in the world most approaching herd immunity. The endemic nature of the virus must be leading to a lot of evolutionary pressure.
I am afraid that there are a lot of chapters left in the coronavirus story.
I am thinking that SKS is modifying what he says to Johnson, in case it comes back to bite him when he is handling the 9th wave in 2024.
In Leicester our public health people are predicting that the worst week will be the week of 25th Jan, but that it will be a slow tail off.
I have gone rather bearish on my views on the economy as a result. The first vaccine resistant variant is going to come as quite a hammer blow.
Very cheerful!
Are you bearish on equities too or just the economy?
In all fairness I’m not sure he has any evidence whatsoever that a variant will arrive that a) is resistant to all vaccines that exist now b) is resistant to existing vaccines that can be adapted to combat new variants and c) is as lethal as current variants (there is a fair possibility that we will end up with a dominant variant that is highly contagious but doesn’t kill its hosts)
If you are a say at 40 year old, that makes several million a year and your job requires you to fly around the world, I can see those kind of people easily splashing out £10k+ for get their jab. Because otherwise they will more than likely be waiting until late summer / autumn. That's a long time for somebody who makes that kind of money.
Or you are someone that earns, I dunno, £100-200k a year, and your job requires close social interaction or travel, yet you have beloved family members who are very vulnerable, who you haven't seen in a year.
In fact, take that salary down to £70k a year (quite a few people). It's just £1000 for a jab. It allows you to hug your mother/sister/lover. A lot of people would pay it, I reckon. It is less than the price of a holiday and this means much much more than a holiday. But we shall see.
At a £1000, they would be overrun with takers, it would be a no-brainer for loads of people. Any grey-market will be a lot higher than that.
These factories are turning out the vaccine by the millions already: in the USA, UK, India, EU. There will be a sweet spot when you might maybe get £5k a jab, but the price will fall by the day as many are vaccinated for free and more vaccines are produced.
It's almost impossible to predict but £1k a jab seems a reasonable price in about a week
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Thanks for the info. So when should I expect to not see any raspberries, soft lettuce or spinach on the shelves?
Two Sundays back there was a brief flurry of "there's a shortage of X" posts.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
And her brains too.
How would you know it was kosher?
Harley Street clinics are already asking people to sign up if they are interested in a private jab
"Work and pensions secretary Thérèse Coffey has admitted that the Government would not be able to stop private vaccine purchases. One website, the Harley Street Clinic Guide, which claims to connect people with the best doctors on London’s famous Harley Street, is already allowing people to pre-register their interest in getting a private jab. "
These clinics would not to utterly Chartwell, sorry, ruin their brand by dishing out the dodgy Chinese vax. It will be kosher
Well if you have the dosh and you don't mind taking a chance that the suppliers are not too alakefic, go ahead.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
Nothings too good for the hypocrites.
Reminds me of all those ultra marxists who send their kids to private school.
Most of Jezza hard left mates all seemed incredibly wealthy from things like property development.....when I thought they viewed all property as theft.
IIRC The British Communist party had a stack of money. From property...
@Foxy how likely do you think it is that a vaccine resistant variant will evolve?
I must say that thought is very depressing. I literally have no idea what I'm going to do if that happens.
I think what we are seeing is akin to "drift", which gradually degrades antibody response and vaccine effectiveness rather than "shift" akin to the origin of the Covid-19. How quickly and completely this happens, we don't really know yet.
US House Republicans who just voted to impeach Donald Trump:
> David Valadao of California CD21 (San Joaquin Valley) > Adam Kinzinger of Illinois CD10 (Rockford) > Peter Meijer of Michigan CD03 (Grand Rapids; Gerald Ford's old congressional district) > Fred Upton of Michigan CD06 (Kalamazoo) > John Katko of New York CD24 (Syracuse) > Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio CD16 (Canton; former NFL player representing site of US Football Hall of Fame) > Tom Rice of South Carolina CD07 (Myrtle Beach) > Jaime Herrera Beutler of Washington CD03 (Vancouver) > Dan Newhouse of Washington CD04 (Yakima) > Liz Cheney of Wyoming At-large
Proud that two are from Washington State. Including one whom I've helped campaign against in the not-so-distant past.
Kalamazoo? That's one awesome name, and demostrates why this CDNumber business just isn't right.
I'VE GOT A GIRL IN KALAMAZOO by Warren Henry, Gordon Mack, made famous by
I've got a gal In Kalamazoo Don't want to boast but I know she's the toast of Kalamazoo Zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo
Years have gone by, my my how she grew I liked her looks when I carried her books in Kalamazoo Zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo
I'm gonna send away, hoppin' on a plane, leavin' today Am I dreamin'? I can hear her screamin' "Hiya, Mr. Jackson" Everything's O-K-A-L-A-M-A-Z-O-O Oh, what a gal, a real pipperoo I'll make my bid for that freckle-faced kid, I'm hurryin' to I'm goin' to Michigan to see the sweetest gal in Kalamazoo Zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, Kalamazoo
K-A-L-A-M-A-Z-O-O, oh oh oh Oh what a gal, a real pipperoo We're goin' to Michigan to see the sweetest gal in Kalamazoo Zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo Kalamazoo
The front page seems to confirm that 3-4 million a week is coming next week...However I don't know if it is just an error in the Scottish plan (that the Telegraph are extrapolating from), but it says there will be a 2 week period where there will be 0 delivered in the foreseeable future.
That was a really excellent book: I love the Civil War period.
So many political developments, so many religious factioning, it truly is one of the most fascinating parts of our history. I'm outraged I had to get to Uni before I was taught anything about it.
It was my specialist subject at uni, for third year history. Got to read lots of original documents from the era.
The online Yale lectures on that period are well worth a listen - lectures 19 to 21 in this series:
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Thanks for the info. So when should I expect to not see any raspberries, soft lettuce or spinach on the shelves?
Two Sundays back there was a brief flurry of "there's a shortage of X" posts.
Not seen any since.
Still waiting for that shortage of EU pickers to reduce British soft fruit availability in the supers, aren't we.....
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Thanks for the info. So when should I expect to not see any raspberries, soft lettuce or spinach on the shelves?
To be honest, I've always been a little nostalgic for the days when fruit and veg had proper seasons.
Maybe I should have voted Leave.
Ha. I must admit I didn't realise you could usually buy asparagus in January....
Fringe benefit of global warming? Pretty soon you'll be able to purchase Cornish bananas!
Oh goody, thank you - I do like to read a nice story of the struggle against the Malignants.
It’s pretty scathing about the Covenanters as well. Basically makes the case the civil war a coup by excluded group of nobles who manipulated parliament and acted treasonably with the Scots
So Royalist revisionism? I can see why you like it.
No - but essentially Warwick and his cousins (the Rich family) plus Devereaux and Bedford were excluded from royal favour once Buckingham took power. There was a religious aspect to it, but basically it was politics.
Do you think Buckingham was a willing agent (or unwitting dupe) of French absolutism, the same way Trumpsky has aided & abetted Russian Putinism?
I don’t know enough about the period / I’m really a long nineteenth century kinda guy
About all I know of Lord Buckingham is from the "Three Musketeers" movie!
What I would say is that at this time of the year asparagus normally comes from Peru or Kenya, baby corn from India or Thailand, pineapples from Costa Rica, etc. When I think on this most of this stuff comes with a lot of airmiles and does not come from the EU.
Was there less salad? I don't think so but I couldn't really say. What foodstuffs from the EU are we likely to need?
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Is there a Vanilla facility to 'save' a post? It would be fun to have a little 'wallet' of saved posts to look at in the future like a photo album of embarrassing school pics.
Feel free to bookmark me. I'm not saying anything that an increasingly alarmed industry isn't saying. What would they know about it?
A different view re Northern Ireland but what would they know about it:
Supply problems for NI supermarkets are being overcome, a retail industry representative has told MPs.
There have been shortages of some products in supermarkets across NI.
It comes as retailers grapple with post-Brexit arrangements for importing food products from GB.
The problems were an "inevitable consequence" of the lateness in finalising the new trade arrangements, according to Andrew Opie, director of the British Retail Consortium.
But he warned problems would re-emerge if further new certification requirements are introduced in April.
"We did not get the final confirmation of how products could move until 31 December for a 1 January start," said Mr Opie.
"Therefore some products had more of a problem or were being held back for supply into Northern Ireland.
"Those shortages have been overcome now, pretty much."
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
I think that situation only arises if they start vaccinating 24 hours with the night time vaccinations being available to anyone for payment.
Why? Pfizer and Moderna (at least) are absolutely private companies seeking a profit. Imagine a large private health company says "We have tens of thousands of wealthy clients around the world, mainly in LA, NYC, London, and Paris, all willing to pay $1000 per jab. We are therefore willing to pay $500 a jab rather than $30 a jab. Please give us 50,000"
Will Pfizer really ignore this easy and massive profit? I doubt it.
According to reports, the reason Israel is doing so well is because their government privately paid LOADS of money per Pfizer jab, very early on.
If you are a say at 40 year old, that makes several million a year and your job requires you to fly around the world, I can see those kind of people easily splashing out £10k+ for get their jab. Because otherwise they will more than likely be waiting until late summer / autumn. That's a long time for somebody who makes that kind of money.
Or you are someone that earns, I dunno, £100-200k a year, and your job requires close social interaction or travel, yet you have beloved family members who are very vulnerable, who you haven't seen in a year.
In fact, take that salary down to £70k a year (quite a few people). It's just £1000 for a jab. It allows you to hug your mother/sister/lover. A lot of people would pay it, I reckon. It is less than the price of a holiday and this means much much more than a holiday. But we shall see.
Surely you'd want your vulnerable family members to have it first? Fortunately, HMG has seen fit to prioritise them.
Indeed. Sean is assuming that having the vaccine yourself means you can’t pass it on. Whereas the most that has been said is that vaccination *may* reduce the chances of transmission.
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Thanks for the info. So when should I expect to not see any raspberries, soft lettuce or spinach on the shelves?
Two Sundays back there was a brief flurry of "there's a shortage of X" posts.
Not seen any since.
Still waiting for that shortage of EU pickers to reduce British soft fruit availability in the supers, aren't we.....
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
I think that situation only arises if they start vaccinating 24 hours with the night time vaccinations being available to anyone for payment.
Why? Pfizer and Moderna (at least) are absolutely private companies seeking a profit. Imagine a large private health company says "We have tens of thousands of wealthy clients around the world, mainly in LA, NYC, London, and Paris, all willing to pay $1000 per jab. We are therefore willing to pay $500 a jab rather than $30 a jab. Please give us 50,000"
Will Pfizer really ignore this easy and massive profit? I doubt it.
According to reports, the reason Israel is doing so well is because their government privately paid LOADS of money per Pfizer jab, very early on.
Money talks. And saves lives.
There was footage of them receiving another big delivery yesterday (or the day before). Ahead of most of Europe next consignments.
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Thanks for the info. So when should I expect to not see any raspberries, soft lettuce or spinach on the shelves?
Two Sundays back there was a brief flurry of "there's a shortage of X" posts.
Not seen any since.
Still waiting for that shortage of EU pickers to reduce British soft fruit availability in the supers, aren't we.....
already happened last summer..
Did it? They were basically giving it away around here....
Oh goody, thank you - I do like to read a nice story of the struggle against the Malignants.
It’s pretty scathing about the Covenanters as well. Basically makes the case the civil war a coup by excluded group of nobles who manipulated parliament and acted treasonably with the Scots
So Royalist revisionism? I can see why you like it.
No - but essentially Warwick and his cousins (the Rich family) plus Devereaux and Bedford were excluded from royal favour once Buckingham took power. There was a religious aspect to it, but basically it was politics.
Do you think Buckingham was a willing agent (or unwitting dupe) of French absolutism, the same way Trumpsky has aided & abetted Russian Putinism?
I don’t know enough about the period / I’m really a long nineteenth century kinda guy
That was a really excellent book: I love the Civil War period.
So many political developments, so many religious factioning, it truly is one of the most fascinating parts of our history. I'm outraged I had to get to Uni before I was taught anything about it.
It was my specialist subject at uni, for third year history. Got to read lots of original documents from the era.
The online Yale lectures on that period are well worth a listen - lectures 19 to 21 in this series:
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
I think that situation only arises if they start vaccinating 24 hours with the night time vaccinations being available to anyone for payment.
That's not going to happen. Night time vaccinations for volunteers maybe, but it won't be for payment.
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Thanks for the info. So when should I expect to not see any raspberries, soft lettuce or spinach on the shelves?
Two Sundays back there was a brief flurry of "there's a shortage of X" posts.
Not seen any since.
Still waiting for that shortage of EU pickers to reduce British soft fruit availability in the supers, aren't we.....
If you are a say at 40 year old, that makes several million a year and your job requires you to fly around the world, I can see those kind of people easily splashing out £10k+ for get their jab. Because otherwise they will more than likely be waiting until late summer / autumn. That's a long time for somebody who makes that kind of money.
Or you are someone that earns, I dunno, £100-200k a year, and your job requires close social interaction or travel, yet you have beloved family members who are very vulnerable, who you haven't seen in a year.
In fact, take that salary down to £70k a year (quite a few people). It's just £1000 for a jab. It allows you to hug your mother/sister/lover. A lot of people would pay it, I reckon. It is less than the price of a holiday and this means much much more than a holiday. But we shall see.
At a £1000, they would be overrun with takers, it would be a no-brainer for loads of people. Any grey-market will be a lot higher than that.
These factories are turning out the vaccine by the millions already: in the USA, UK, India, EU. There will be a sweet spot when you might maybe get £5k a jab, but the price will fall by the day as many are vaccinated for free and more vaccines are produced.
It's almost impossible to predict but £1k a jab seems a reasonable price in about a week
It’s absolutely pointless paying for a vaccine if, like me, you are a slim(ish) guy in your 40s with no underlying health conditions. I can’t do anything anyway until the at risk groups are vaccinated. And, if you are in the high risk groups, you should be immunised in the next few weeks. Many will prefer to lock themselves in their homes for a month and save £££.
If you are a say at 40 year old, that makes several million a year and your job requires you to fly around the world, I can see those kind of people easily splashing out £10k+ for get their jab. Because otherwise they will more than likely be waiting until late summer / autumn. That's a long time for somebody who makes that kind of money.
Or you are someone that earns, I dunno, £100-200k a year, and your job requires close social interaction or travel, yet you have beloved family members who are very vulnerable, who you haven't seen in a year.
In fact, take that salary down to £70k a year (quite a few people). It's just £1000 for a jab. It allows you to hug your mother/sister/lover. A lot of people would pay it, I reckon. It is less than the price of a holiday and this means much much more than a holiday. But we shall see.
At a £1000, they would be overrun with takers, it would be a no-brainer for loads of people. Any grey-market will be a lot higher than that.
These factories are turning out the vaccine by the millions already: in the USA, UK, India, EU. There will be a sweet spot when you might maybe get £5k a jab, but the price will fall by the day as many are vaccinated for free and more vaccines are produced.
It's almost impossible to predict but £1k a jab seems a reasonable price in about a week
And nine months after taking the jab you find out the hard way it didn't work and the nameplate on the doctor's door has changed? Or it hasn't changed and they just say 'Sorry, but only 90% effective; you just unlucky." Door slams.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
I think that situation only arises if they start vaccinating 24 hours with the night time vaccinations being available to anyone for payment.
Why? Pfizer and Moderna (at least) are absolutely private companies seeking a profit. Imagine a large private health company says "We have tens of thousands of wealthy clients around the world, mainly in LA, NYC, London, and Paris, all willing to pay $1000 per jab. We are therefore willing to pay $500 a jab rather than $30 a jab. Please give us 50,000"
Will Pfizer really ignore this easy and massive profit? I doubt it.
According to reports, the reason Israel is doing so well is because their government privately paid LOADS of money per Pfizer jab, very early on.
Money talks. And saves lives.
I doubt it was the money that made Israel first - agreeing to provide side effect and other data back from the largest sample is what will have made Israel priority 1.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
Nothings too good for the hypocrites.
Reminds me of all those ultra marxists who send their kids to private school.
Most of Jezza hard left mates all seemed incredibly wealthy from things like property development.....when I thought they viewed all property as theft.
IIRC The British Communist party had a stack of money. From property...
Whilst slightly hypocritical in that it was not the state that owned it , at least it was a collective (ie the party) that did!
If you are a say at 40 year old, that makes several million a year and your job requires you to fly around the world, I can see those kind of people easily splashing out £10k+ for get their jab. Because otherwise they will more than likely be waiting until late summer / autumn. That's a long time for somebody who makes that kind of money.
Or you are someone that earns, I dunno, £100-200k a year, and your job requires close social interaction or travel, yet you have beloved family members who are very vulnerable, who you haven't seen in a year.
In fact, take that salary down to £70k a year (quite a few people). It's just £1000 for a jab. It allows you to hug your mother/sister/lover. A lot of people would pay it, I reckon. It is less than the price of a holiday and this means much much more than a holiday. But we shall see.
Surely you'd want your vulnerable family members to have it first? Fortunately, HMG has seen fit to prioritise them.
But what if you are the breadwinner? You literally feed the rest of the family. Your survival, in that case, is more important than granny or your aged diabetic mum, and your noisy kids (who won't suffer if they get it). If granny dies, that is sad, but she is 73, but if YOU die the family starves and fall apart
An expensive private jab is easily justifiable for a lot of people.
US House Republicans who just voted to impeach Donald Trump:
> David Valadao of California CD21 (San Joaquin Valley) > Adam Kinzinger of Illinois CD10 (Rockford) > Peter Meijer of Michigan CD03 (Grand Rapids; Gerald Ford's old congressional district) > Fred Upton of Michigan CD06 (Kalamazoo) > John Katko of New York CD24 (Syracuse) > Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio CD16 (Canton; former NFL player representing site of US Football Hall of Fame) > Tom Rice of South Carolina CD07 (Myrtle Beach) > Jaime Herrera Beutler of Washington CD03 (Vancouver) > Dan Newhouse of Washington CD04 (Yakima) > Liz Cheney of Wyoming At-large
Proud that two are from Washington State. Including one whom I've helped campaign against in the not-so-distant past.
I note that 7/10 of those US House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump represent districts in states that voted for Biden.
No surprise that the Democratic controlled House has voted to impeach the President but more Republicans will need to vote for him to be convicted in the Senate than that
What I would say is that at this time of the year asparagus normally comes from Peru or Kenya, baby corn from India or Thailand, pineapples from Costa Rica, etc. When I think on this most of this stuff comes with a lot of airmiles and does not come from the EU.
Was there less salad? I don't think so but I couldn't really say. What foodstuffs from the EU are we likely to need?
Sorry to be an insufferable food snob, but nobody should be buying Peruvian asparagus. Wait for the short English season in May and eat your fill until your pee is bilious green. Then wait until next year. The Peruvian stuff is really tough in comparison!
If you are a say at 40 year old, that makes several million a year and your job requires you to fly around the world, I can see those kind of people easily splashing out £10k+ for get their jab. Because otherwise they will more than likely be waiting until late summer / autumn. That's a long time for somebody who makes that kind of money.
Or you are someone that earns, I dunno, £100-200k a year, and your job requires close social interaction or travel, yet you have beloved family members who are very vulnerable, who you haven't seen in a year.
In fact, take that salary down to £70k a year (quite a few people). It's just £1000 for a jab. It allows you to hug your mother/sister/lover. A lot of people would pay it, I reckon. It is less than the price of a holiday and this means much much more than a holiday. But we shall see.
At a £1000, they would be overrun with takers, it would be a no-brainer for loads of people. Any grey-market will be a lot higher than that.
These factories are turning out the vaccine by the millions already: in the USA, UK, India, EU. There will be a sweet spot when you might maybe get £5k a jab, but the price will fall by the day as many are vaccinated for free and more vaccines are produced.
It's almost impossible to predict but £1k a jab seems a reasonable price in about a week
It’s absolutely pointless paying for a vaccine if, like me, you are a slim(ish) guy in your 40s with no underlying health conditions. I can’t do anything anyway until the at risk groups are vaccinated. And, if you are in the high risk groups, you should be immunised in the next few weeks. Many will prefer to lock themselves in their homes for a month and save £££.
Indeed, as a slimmish guy in my early 30s I am more concerned about a) my parents getting jabbed and b) the regs easing than I am about getting a vaccine myself.
Oh goody, thank you - I do like to read a nice story of the struggle against the Malignants.
It’s pretty scathing about the Covenanters as well. Basically makes the case the civil war a coup by excluded group of nobles who manipulated parliament and acted treasonably with the Scots
So Royalist revisionism? I can see why you like it.
No - but essentially Warwick and his cousins (the Rich family) plus Devereaux and Bedford were excluded from royal favour once Buckingham took power. There was a religious aspect to it, but basically it was politics.
Do you think Buckingham was a willing agent (or unwitting dupe) of French absolutism, the same way Trumpsky has aided & abetted Russian Putinism?
I don’t know enough about the period / I’m really a long nineteenth century kinda guy
About all I know of Lord Buckingham is from the "Three Musketeers" movie!
IMHO he was a none too bright, stiff necked, arrogant prick. And it cost his master his head.
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Thanks for the info. So when should I expect to not see any raspberries, soft lettuce or spinach on the shelves?
Two Sundays back there was a brief flurry of "there's a shortage of X" posts.
Not seen any since.
Still waiting for that shortage of EU pickers to reduce British soft fruit availability in the supers, aren't we.....
We literally had to bus them in from Bulgaria last summer after the "let's try British labour" experiment failed. Punters who voted to get rid of so many forrin in east Anglia won't be happy at the 2021 busloads.
If you are a say at 40 year old, that makes several million a year and your job requires you to fly around the world, I can see those kind of people easily splashing out £10k+ for get their jab. Because otherwise they will more than likely be waiting until late summer / autumn. That's a long time for somebody who makes that kind of money.
Or you are someone that earns, I dunno, £100-200k a year, and your job requires close social interaction or travel, yet you have beloved family members who are very vulnerable, who you haven't seen in a year.
In fact, take that salary down to £70k a year (quite a few people). It's just £1000 for a jab. It allows you to hug your mother/sister/lover. A lot of people would pay it, I reckon. It is less than the price of a holiday and this means much much more than a holiday. But we shall see.
Surely you'd want your vulnerable family members to have it first? Fortunately, HMG has seen fit to prioritise them.
But what if you are the breadwinner? You literally feed the rest of the family. Your survival, in that case, is more important than granny or your aged diabetic mum, and your noisy kids (who won't suffer if they get it). If granny dies, that is sad, but she is 73, but if YOU die the family starves and fall apart
An expensive private jab is easily justifiable for a lot of people.
Sure I get that. I just don't know where the supply is going to come from.
Anyway, everyone makes their own decision. It's not for me.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
Nothings too good for the hypocrites.
Reminds me of all those ultra marxists who send their kids to private school.
Most of Jezza hard left mates all seemed incredibly wealthy from things like property development.....when I thought they viewed all property as theft.
IIRC The British Communist party had a stack of money. From property...
Whilst slightly hypocritical in that it was not the state that owned it , at least it was a collective (ie the party) that did!
Ah, just like the KGB money stash - invested in Western Stock markets....
What I would say is that at this time of the year asparagus normally comes from Peru or Kenya, baby corn from India or Thailand, pineapples from Costa Rica, etc. When I think on this most of this stuff comes with a lot of airmiles and does not come from the EU.
Was there less salad? I don't think so but I couldn't really say. What foodstuffs from the EU are we likely to need?
I wonder what the effective costs in environmental damage versus actual food consumption of various imported foods.
There will be some things such as pineapples and lettuce where much of it is thrown away.
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
My wife has been unable to buy asparagus for love nor money
Surely asparagus this time of year is southern hemisphere and flown in?
If you are a say at 40 year old, that makes several million a year and your job requires you to fly around the world, I can see those kind of people easily splashing out £10k+ for get their jab. Because otherwise they will more than likely be waiting until late summer / autumn. That's a long time for somebody who makes that kind of money.
Or you are someone that earns, I dunno, £100-200k a year, and your job requires close social interaction or travel, yet you have beloved family members who are very vulnerable, who you haven't seen in a year.
In fact, take that salary down to £70k a year (quite a few people). It's just £1000 for a jab. It allows you to hug your mother/sister/lover. A lot of people would pay it, I reckon. It is less than the price of a holiday and this means much much more than a holiday. But we shall see.
how much would you need to be paid to have no excuse anymore not to hug your mother in law?
Google says it’s working to investigate issues with Android apps that use the Android Exposure Notifications System to track the spread of COVID-19. An issue began causing delays for apps using the system, resulting in longer load times and delays in notifications for regular exposure checks. The NHS COVID-19 app that’s used across England and Wales is affected by this Android issue, with a loading notification stuck in the notifications area for many users.
“We are aware of an issue affecting Android apps developed using the Android Exposure Notifications System,” a Google spokesperson told The Verge in a statement earlier on Wednesday. “Our engineers are investigating the issue.”
As of Wednesday afternoon, Google tells The Verge it’s issued a fix, but it may take some time for issues to subside, though Google says it’ll work with any affected app developers directly to remedy the issue if it persists.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
And her brains too.
How would you know it was kosher?
Harley Street clinics are already asking people to sign up if they are interested in a private jab
"Work and pensions secretary Thérèse Coffey has admitted that the Government would not be able to stop private vaccine purchases. One website, the Harley Street Clinic Guide, which claims to connect people with the best doctors on London’s famous Harley Street, is already allowing people to pre-register their interest in getting a private jab. "
These clinics would not to utterly Chartwell, sorry, ruin their brand by dishing out the dodgy Chinese vax. It will be kosher
The government could legislate to stop it, if they were so minded. I think there'd be high-levels of public support.
The other question is, where are those clinics going to get their supplies from, if not the black market?
Don't be ridic. They cannot make it illegal to buy a life-saving drug.
If you are a say at 40 year old, that makes several million a year and your job requires you to fly around the world, I can see those kind of people easily splashing out £10k+ for get their jab. Because otherwise they will more than likely be waiting until late summer / autumn. That's a long time for somebody who makes that kind of money.
Or you are someone that earns, I dunno, £100-200k a year, and your job requires close social interaction or travel, yet you have beloved family members who are very vulnerable, who you haven't seen in a year.
In fact, take that salary down to £70k a year (quite a few people). It's just £1000 for a jab. It allows you to hug your mother/sister/lover. A lot of people would pay it, I reckon. It is less than the price of a holiday and this means much much more than a holiday. But we shall see.
Surely you'd want your vulnerable family members to have it first? Fortunately, HMG has seen fit to prioritise them.
But what if you are the breadwinner? You literally feed the rest of the family. Your survival, in that case, is more important than granny or your aged diabetic mum, and your noisy kids (who won't suffer if they get it). If granny dies, that is sad, but she is 73, but if YOU die the family starves and fall apart
An expensive private jab is easily justifiable for a lot of people.
That was a really excellent book: I love the Civil War period.
So many political developments, so many religious factioning, it truly is one of the most fascinating parts of our history. I'm outraged I had to get to Uni before I was taught anything about it.
It was my specialist subject at uni, for third year history. Got to read lots of original documents from the era.
The online Yale lectures on that period are well worth a listen - lectures 19 to 21 in this series:
I think its rather depressing that war is the most fascinating parts of history -
The constitutional and political wranglings that followed the war are far more interesting than the war itself.
Sort of during, between and around the war(s) really, when it comes to constitutional and political wrangling really.
But totally agree. I don't think I actually did much looking at the battles or anything like that. I always enjoyed the accounts of parliaments, as its full of people arguing tiny details like sending things to committees, about petititons, and quibbling over if they have the power to do things and what terms to use just like modern parliaments!
US House Republicans who just voted to impeach Donald Trump:
> David Valadao of California CD21 (San Joaquin Valley) > Adam Kinzinger of Illinois CD10 (Rockford) > Peter Meijer of Michigan CD03 (Grand Rapids; Gerald Ford's old congressional district) > Fred Upton of Michigan CD06 (Kalamazoo) > John Katko of New York CD24 (Syracuse) > Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio CD16 (Canton; former NFL player representing site of US Football Hall of Fame) > Tom Rice of South Carolina CD07 (Myrtle Beach) > Jaime Herrera Beutler of Washington CD03 (Vancouver) > Dan Newhouse of Washington CD04 (Yakima) > Liz Cheney of Wyoming At-large
Proud that two are from Washington State. Including one whom I've helped campaign against in the not-so-distant past.
Kalamazoo? That's one awesome name, and demostrates why this CDNumber business just isn't right.
I'VE GOT A GIRL IN KALAMAZOO by Warren Henry, Gordon Mack, made famous by
I've got a gal In Kalamazoo Don't want to boast but I know she's the toast of Kalamazoo Zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo
Years have gone by, my my how she grew I liked her looks when I carried her books in Kalamazoo Zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo
I'm gonna send away, hoppin' on a plane, leavin' today Am I dreamin'? I can hear her screamin' "Hiya, Mr. Jackson" Everything's O-K-A-L-A-M-A-Z-O-O Oh, what a gal, a real pipperoo I'll make my bid for that freckle-faced kid, I'm hurryin' to I'm goin' to Michigan to see the sweetest gal in Kalamazoo Zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, Kalamazoo
K-A-L-A-M-A-Z-O-O, oh oh oh Oh what a gal, a real pipperoo We're goin' to Michigan to see the sweetest gal in Kalamazoo Zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo Kalamazoo
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
I think that situation only arises if they start vaccinating 24 hours with the night time vaccinations being available to anyone for payment.
Why? Pfizer and Moderna (at least) are absolutely private companies seeking a profit. Imagine a large private health company says "We have tens of thousands of wealthy clients around the world, mainly in LA, NYC, London, and Paris, all willing to pay $1000 per jab. We are therefore willing to pay $500 a jab rather than $30 a jab. Please give us 50,000"
Will Pfizer really ignore this easy and massive profit? I doubt it.
According to reports, the reason Israel is doing so well is because their government privately paid LOADS of money per Pfizer jab, very early on.
Money talks. And saves lives.
You do it for governments. $150m (your figure) is a couple of days cash flow for Albert.
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Is there a Vanilla facility to 'save' a post? It would be fun to have a little 'wallet' of saved posts to look at in the future like a photo album of embarrassing school pics.
Feel free to bookmark me. I'm not saying anything that an increasingly alarmed industry isn't saying. What would they know about it?
A different view re Northern Ireland but what would they know about it:
Supply problems for NI supermarkets are being overcome, a retail industry representative has told MPs.
There have been shortages of some products in supermarkets across NI.
It comes as retailers grapple with post-Brexit arrangements for importing food products from GB.
The problems were an "inevitable consequence" of the lateness in finalising the new trade arrangements, according to Andrew Opie, director of the British Retail Consortium.
But he warned problems would re-emerge if further new certification requirements are introduced in April.
"We did not get the final confirmation of how products could move until 31 December for a 1 January start," said Mr Opie.
"Therefore some products had more of a problem or were being held back for supply into Northern Ireland.
"Those shortages have been overcome now, pretty much."
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Is there a Vanilla facility to 'save' a post? It would be fun to have a little 'wallet' of saved posts to look at in the future like a photo album of embarrassing school pics.
Feel free to bookmark me. I'm not saying anything that an increasingly alarmed industry isn't saying. What would they know about it?
A different view re Northern Ireland but what would they know about it:
Supply problems for NI supermarkets are being overcome, a retail industry representative has told MPs.
There have been shortages of some products in supermarkets across NI.
It comes as retailers grapple with post-Brexit arrangements for importing food products from GB.
The problems were an "inevitable consequence" of the lateness in finalising the new trade arrangements, according to Andrew Opie, director of the British Retail Consortium.
But he warned problems would re-emerge if further new certification requirements are introduced in April.
"We did not get the final confirmation of how products could move until 31 December for a 1 January start," said Mr Opie.
"Therefore some products had more of a problem or were being held back for supply into Northern Ireland.
"Those shortages have been overcome now, pretty much."
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
I think that situation only arises if they start vaccinating 24 hours with the night time vaccinations being available to anyone for payment.
Why? Pfizer and Moderna (at least) are absolutely private companies seeking a profit. Imagine a large private health company says "We have tens of thousands of wealthy clients around the world, mainly in LA, NYC, London, and Paris, all willing to pay $1000 per jab. We are therefore willing to pay $500 a jab rather than $30 a jab. Please give us 50,000"
Will Pfizer really ignore this easy and massive profit? I doubt it.
According to reports, the reason Israel is doing so well is because their government privately paid LOADS of money per Pfizer jab, very early on.
Money talks. And saves lives.
Not a net saving of lives is it? Just saving wealthy lives at the expense of poorer people's lives.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
I think that situation only arises if they start vaccinating 24 hours with the night time vaccinations being available to anyone for payment.
Why? Pfizer and Moderna (at least) are absolutely private companies seeking a profit. Imagine a large private health company says "We have tens of thousands of wealthy clients around the world, mainly in LA, NYC, London, and Paris, all willing to pay $1000 per jab. We are therefore willing to pay $500 a jab rather than $30 a jab. Please give us 50,000"
Will Pfizer really ignore this easy and massive profit? I doubt it.
According to reports, the reason Israel is doing so well is because their government privately paid LOADS of money per Pfizer jab, very early on.
Money talks. And saves lives.
I doubt it was the money that made Israel first - agreeing to provide side effect and other data back from the largest sample is what will have made Israel priority 1.
Plus, they gave them a nuke....
Or at least, maybe some state of the art industrial espionage software.
What I would say is that at this time of the year asparagus normally comes from Peru or Kenya, baby corn from India or Thailand, pineapples from Costa Rica, etc. When I think on this most of this stuff comes with a lot of airmiles and does not come from the EU.
Was there less salad? I don't think so but I couldn't really say. What foodstuffs from the EU are we likely to need?
Sorry to be an insufferable food snob, but nobody should be buying Peruvian asparagus. Wait for the short English season in May and eat your fill until your pee is bilious green. Then wait until next year. The Peruvian stuff is really tough in comparison!
I really like English asparagus but I am not willing to do without it 48 weeks a year. If you microwave it it gets soft enough. I also like it with soy sauce and parmesan. Hey, I have finally thought of an EU food that we import.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
I think that situation only arises if they start vaccinating 24 hours with the night time vaccinations being available to anyone for payment.
Why? Pfizer and Moderna (at least) are absolutely private companies seeking a profit. Imagine a large private health company says "We have tens of thousands of wealthy clients around the world, mainly in LA, NYC, London, and Paris, all willing to pay $1000 per jab. We are therefore willing to pay $500 a jab rather than $30 a jab. Please give us 50,000"
Will Pfizer really ignore this easy and massive profit? I doubt it.
According to reports, the reason Israel is doing so well is because their government privately paid LOADS of money per Pfizer jab, very early on.
Money talks. And saves lives.
Do they have the spare capacity to produce extra vaccine ?
Alternatively a government might se the potential in profitable vaccine tourism.
What I would say is that at this time of the year asparagus normally comes from Peru or Kenya, baby corn from India or Thailand, pineapples from Costa Rica, etc. When I think on this most of this stuff comes with a lot of airmiles and does not come from the EU.
Was there less salad? I don't think so but I couldn't really say. What foodstuffs from the EU are we likely to need?
Sorry to be an insufferable food snob, but nobody should be buying Peruvian asparagus. Wait for the short English season in May and eat your fill until your pee is bilious green. Then wait until next year. The Peruvian stuff is really tough in comparison!
I really like English asparagus but I am not willing to do without it 48 weeks a year. If you microwave it it gets soft enough. I also like it with soy sauce and parmesan. Hey, I have finally thought of an EU food that we import.
Roast or grill it, adorned with Camargue fleur de sel and scattered chili flakes?
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
My wife has been unable to buy asparagus for love nor money
Surely asparagus this time of year is southern hemisphere and flown in?
The number of new variants rather worry me. This one originated in Amazonas, one of the places in the world most approaching herd immunity. The endemic nature of the virus must be leading to a lot of evolutionary pressure.
I am afraid that there are a lot of chapters left in the coronavirus story.
I am thinking that SKS is modifying what he says to Johnson, in case it comes back to bite him when he is handling the 9th wave in 2024.
In Leicester our public health people are predicting that the worst week will be the week of 25th Jan, but that it will be a slow tail off.
I have gone rather bearish on my views on the economy as a result. The first vaccine resistant variant is going to come as quite a hammer blow.
Very cheerful!
Are you bearish on equities too or just the economy?
Yes. The markets look rather peaky to me, at least in Europe and North America. I have shifted to a more cash and defensives position. Maybe a bit cautious, but after a 50% rise in my portfolio over the last 6-9 months, a time to cash in and pause for thought.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
And her brains too.
How would you know it was kosher?
Harley Street clinics are already asking people to sign up if they are interested in a private jab
"Work and pensions secretary Thérèse Coffey has admitted that the Government would not be able to stop private vaccine purchases. One website, the Harley Street Clinic Guide, which claims to connect people with the best doctors on London’s famous Harley Street, is already allowing people to pre-register their interest in getting a private jab. "
These clinics would not to utterly Chartwell, sorry, ruin their brand by dishing out the dodgy Chinese vax. It will be kosher
The government could legislate to stop it, if they were so minded. I think there'd be high-levels of public support.
The other question is, where are those clinics going to get their supplies from, if not the black market?
Don't be ridic. They cannot make it illegal to buy a life-saving drug.
The pharmaceutical supply chain is hugely regulated - adulteration (from Turkey as it happens) is a major problem.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
And her brains too.
How would you know it was kosher?
Harley Street clinics are already asking people to sign up if they are interested in a private jab
"Work and pensions secretary Thérèse Coffey has admitted that the Government would not be able to stop private vaccine purchases. One website, the Harley Street Clinic Guide, which claims to connect people with the best doctors on London’s famous Harley Street, is already allowing people to pre-register their interest in getting a private jab. "
These clinics would not to utterly Chartwell, sorry, ruin their brand by dishing out the dodgy Chinese vax. It will be kosher
The government could legislate to stop it, if they were so minded. I think there'd be high-levels of public support.
The other question is, where are those clinics going to get their supplies from, if not the black market?
Don't be ridic. They cannot make it illegal to buy a life-saving drug.
Of course they can. This is war, remember. There's plenty of precendent for prohibiting the sale of essential national resources in time of war.
What I would say is that at this time of the year asparagus normally comes from Peru or Kenya, baby corn from India or Thailand, pineapples from Costa Rica, etc. When I think on this most of this stuff comes with a lot of airmiles and does not come from the EU.
Was there less salad? I don't think so but I couldn't really say. What foodstuffs from the EU are we likely to need?
I wonder what the effective costs in environmental damage versus actual food consumption of various imported foods.
There will be some things such as pineapples and lettuce where much of it is thrown away.
Yeah, I go through periods where the guilt inhibits my purchases. It is a ridiculous indulgence. And then I think about the poor people in those countries who are dependent upon the exports. It's a modern dilemma.
If you are a say at 40 year old, that makes several million a year and your job requires you to fly around the world, I can see those kind of people easily splashing out £10k+ for get their jab. Because otherwise they will more than likely be waiting until late summer / autumn. That's a long time for somebody who makes that kind of money.
Or you are someone that earns, I dunno, £100-200k a year, and your job requires close social interaction or travel, yet you have beloved family members who are very vulnerable, who you haven't seen in a year.
In fact, take that salary down to £70k a year (quite a few people). It's just £1000 for a jab. It allows you to hug your mother/sister/lover. A lot of people would pay it, I reckon. It is less than the price of a holiday and this means much much more than a holiday. But we shall see.
At a £1000, they would be overrun with takers, it would be a no-brainer for loads of people. Any grey-market will be a lot higher than that.
These factories are turning out the vaccine by the millions already: in the USA, UK, India, EU. There will be a sweet spot when you might maybe get £5k a jab, but the price will fall by the day as many are vaccinated for free and more vaccines are produced.
It's almost impossible to predict but £1k a jab seems a reasonable price in about a week
It’s absolutely pointless paying for a vaccine if, like me, you are a slim(ish) guy in your 40s with no underlying health conditions. I can’t do anything anyway until the at risk groups are vaccinated. And, if you are in the high risk groups, you should be immunised in the next few weeks. Many will prefer to lock themselves in their homes for a month and save £££.
Indeed, as a slimmish guy in my early 30s I am more concerned about a) my parents getting jabbed and b) the regs easing than I am about getting a vaccine myself.
I think there’s a fair to middling chance - and we do have to be cognisant of this - that the likes of us are more likely to gain immunity via infection than via vaccination, given that we are (rightly) at the back of the queue for a jab. I mean, I go to supermarkets, DIY shops, I live in a high COVID area.
Question: how many PBers would pay a large sum of cash - say £1000+ - to get the jab privately?
This will soon be a moral dilemma for all of us. It is coming.
I was amazed when I asked this of a Corbynite novelist friend of mine today. She's pretty ultra-left. I've heard her denouncing private medicine (private anything) before. She said God yes, I'd pay it today, where is it?
All her principles out the window, just like that
I think that situation only arises if they start vaccinating 24 hours with the night time vaccinations being available to anyone for payment.
Why? Pfizer and Moderna (at least) are absolutely private companies seeking a profit. Imagine a large private health company says "We have tens of thousands of wealthy clients around the world, mainly in LA, NYC, London, and Paris, all willing to pay $1000 per jab. We are therefore willing to pay $500 a jab rather than $30 a jab. Please give us 50,000"
Will Pfizer really ignore this easy and massive profit? I doubt it.
According to reports, the reason Israel is doing so well is because their government privately paid LOADS of money per Pfizer jab, very early on.
Money talks. And saves lives.
Not a net saving of lives is it? Just saving wealthy lives at the expense of poorer people's lives.
I'm not saying I approve!
I am saying
1: this is almost bound to happen - private provision of the vaccine - money does rule 2. even if it doesn't happen in the UK (unlikely) it will happen elsewhere, it is already happening in the UAE, and NYC, I also expect it to happen in Israel once they get to 100% jabbed 3. it will be a moral test for a lot of high minded, wealthy leftwing people, I expect many to fail (like my friend)
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Is there a Vanilla facility to 'save' a post? It would be fun to have a little 'wallet' of saved posts to look at in the future like a photo album of embarrassing school pics.
Feel free to bookmark me. I'm not saying anything that an increasingly alarmed industry isn't saying. What would they know about it?
A different view re Northern Ireland but what would they know about it:
Supply problems for NI supermarkets are being overcome, a retail industry representative has told MPs.
There have been shortages of some products in supermarkets across NI.
It comes as retailers grapple with post-Brexit arrangements for importing food products from GB.
The problems were an "inevitable consequence" of the lateness in finalising the new trade arrangements, according to Andrew Opie, director of the British Retail Consortium.
But he warned problems would re-emerge if further new certification requirements are introduced in April.
"We did not get the final confirmation of how products could move until 31 December for a 1 January start," said Mr Opie.
"Therefore some products had more of a problem or were being held back for supply into Northern Ireland.
"Those shortages have been overcome now, pretty much."
If you are a say at 40 year old, that makes several million a year and your job requires you to fly around the world, I can see those kind of people easily splashing out £10k+ for get their jab. Because otherwise they will more than likely be waiting until late summer / autumn. That's a long time for somebody who makes that kind of money.
Or you are someone that earns, I dunno, £100-200k a year, and your job requires close social interaction or travel, yet you have beloved family members who are very vulnerable, who you haven't seen in a year.
In fact, take that salary down to £70k a year (quite a few people). It's just £1000 for a jab. It allows you to hug your mother/sister/lover. A lot of people would pay it, I reckon. It is less than the price of a holiday and this means much much more than a holiday. But we shall see.
At a £1000, they would be overrun with takers, it would be a no-brainer for loads of people. Any grey-market will be a lot higher than that.
These factories are turning out the vaccine by the millions already: in the USA, UK, India, EU. There will be a sweet spot when you might maybe get £5k a jab, but the price will fall by the day as many are vaccinated for free and more vaccines are produced.
It's almost impossible to predict but £1k a jab seems a reasonable price in about a week
And nine months after taking the jab you find out the hard way it didn't work and the nameplate on the doctor's door has changed? Or it hasn't changed and they just say 'Sorry, but only 90% effective; you just unlucky." Door slams.
Good luck, mate.
Not much different to privately buying a flu vaccine, surely?
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Is there a Vanilla facility to 'save' a post? It would be fun to have a little 'wallet' of saved posts to look at in the future like a photo album of embarrassing school pics.
Feel free to bookmark me. I'm not saying anything that an increasingly alarmed industry isn't saying. What would they know about it?
A different view re Northern Ireland but what would they know about it:
Supply problems for NI supermarkets are being overcome, a retail industry representative has told MPs.
There have been shortages of some products in supermarkets across NI.
It comes as retailers grapple with post-Brexit arrangements for importing food products from GB.
The problems were an "inevitable consequence" of the lateness in finalising the new trade arrangements, according to Andrew Opie, director of the British Retail Consortium.
But he warned problems would re-emerge if further new certification requirements are introduced in April.
"We did not get the final confirmation of how products could move until 31 December for a 1 January start," said Mr Opie.
"Therefore some products had more of a problem or were being held back for supply into Northern Ireland.
"Those shortages have been overcome now, pretty much."
It's strange that the supermarkets are screaming a day ago while a one step removed quango is saying it's all fine.
So we'll see what happens.
I will ask my friends in Northern Ireland when they go shopping next - I suspect the articles I've posted point a more accurate picture than the story you linked to.
@RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?
An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.
What happened before? 1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU 2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis
So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.
You want to try again?
Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?
My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.
Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
Your question was "it was fine before wasn't it". Well yes, something completely different now worked in a fashion then.
So what? We can't undo 30 years of progress and go status quo ante.
The only way to fix the supply chains is to allow them to effectively trade. Otherwise the change you will see will be businesses closing down, and less choice and higher costs for UK consumers.
No, it was 'how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?'.
Strikes me that supply chains are likely to change in weeks or months, there will be no political change to the treaties for years.
I can remember what greengrocers were like pre-1973 in the autumn to spring months. Not quite wall to wall turnips, kail, other brassicas, carrots and spuds, not far off it outside the twee urban specialists. That's a hell of a reversion, for a start.
What I still don't quite understand is how I can still buy everything at the shops I want when RP says that the system isn't fit for purpose. We're 13 days into the year, during a pandemic when everyone is eating at home. How come the delays aren't feeding through to problems yet?
Because: 1. We've just had Christmas. Retailers stockpile the shit out of stuff hoping to sell it 2. We've just had a "never mind that shit here comes Mungo Brexit" event which led to so much stuff being force imported in December that the chaos at ports was widely reported 3. We're eating at home but the industry was stocked up for a Christmas that got cancelled at the last minute. Foodstuffs not eaten in hastily closed restaurants can be redirected.
There is a real and growing shortage of fresh food. It isn't universal yet because supply chain inefficiencies. But it is there. And everything else? We're burning through imported stockpiles.
But cross border traffic is just 20% of normal. We can't keep going for much longer before major gaps appear. Nor can the logistics industry keep going as it is - in Norniron they have said they fall over within a week
Is there a Vanilla facility to 'save' a post? It would be fun to have a little 'wallet' of saved posts to look at in the future like a photo album of embarrassing school pics.
Feel free to bookmark me. I'm not saying anything that an increasingly alarmed industry isn't saying. What would they know about it?
A different view re Northern Ireland but what would they know about it:
Supply problems for NI supermarkets are being overcome, a retail industry representative has told MPs.
There have been shortages of some products in supermarkets across NI.
It comes as retailers grapple with post-Brexit arrangements for importing food products from GB.
The problems were an "inevitable consequence" of the lateness in finalising the new trade arrangements, according to Andrew Opie, director of the British Retail Consortium.
But he warned problems would re-emerge if further new certification requirements are introduced in April.
"We did not get the final confirmation of how products could move until 31 December for a 1 January start," said Mr Opie.
"Therefore some products had more of a problem or were being held back for supply into Northern Ireland.
"Those shortages have been overcome now, pretty much."
It's strange that the supermarkets are screaming a day ago while a one step removed quango is saying it's all fine.
Don't forget that Sainsbury's NI found a short term fix - buy product sourced in the republic. Not sure that shutting GB out of trade completely is the "see, everything's fine" solution people had in mind
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Ages ago (before 2016, I think), I remember reading something about the difference between two different understandings of trade.
One is that it's like captains on the open sea, or wagons going over the Prairies. It just happens, and governments should get out of the way and let it work its magic.
The other is that it's like Alpine towns. It's good that they trade, but it needs effort and agreement to build and maintain the roads and bridges.
The UK is currently staking the house, pedigree cat and pension on the first model. Maybe they're right, but it's a helluva gamble.
Harley Street clinics are already asking people to sign up if they are interested in a private jab
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/super-rich-skip-coronavirus-vaccine-queue-jetting-abroad-get/
"Work and pensions secretary Thérèse Coffey has admitted that the Government would not be able to stop private vaccine purchases. One website, the Harley Street Clinic Guide, which claims to connect people with the best doctors on London’s famous Harley Street, is already allowing people to pre-register their interest in getting a private jab. "
These clinics would not to utterly Chartwell, sorry, ruin their brand by dishing out the dodgy Chinese vax. It will be kosher
You'll get another vaccine, like the rest of us. Annual flu vaccines are given for the same reason.
Cheer up!
Maybe I should have voted Leave.
An elite sports person probably would as well. The risk of you getting it and it totally screwing your abilities, it could be career over in some sports where the margins are absolutely tiny.
There is the example of the top tennis player who got it and 6+ months later he is still struggling. That may have cost him high £100ks / low millions in prize money.
The other question is, where are those clinics going to get their supplies from, if not the black market?
In fact, take that salary down to £70k a year (quite a few people). It's just £1000 for a jab. It allows you to hug your mother/sister/lover. A lot of people would pay it, I reckon. It is less than the price of a holiday and this means much much more than a holiday. But we shall see.
Reminds me of all those ultra marxists who send their kids to private school.
It's in neither sides interests for it to fail. Spanish and French growers want to be able to sell their produce easily to the UK and their consumers also want to buy British seafood that they can't get at home, which is one big reason why fishing rights were such a big issue in the first place.
The online Yale lectures on that period are well worth a listen - lectures 19 to 21 in this series:
https://oyc.yale.edu/history/hist-251
It's almost impossible to predict but £1k a jab seems a reasonable price in about a week
Not seen any since.
Leave me out.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/change.htm
Drift is less damaging to vaccine control, but it wouldn't surprise me if we need different vaccines by Christmas.
by Warren Henry, Gordon Mack, made famous by
I've got a gal
In Kalamazoo
Don't want to boast but I know she's the toast of Kalamazoo
Zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo
Years have gone by, my my how she grew
I liked her looks when I carried her books in Kalamazoo
Zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo
I'm gonna send away, hoppin' on a plane, leavin' today
Am I dreamin'? I can hear her screamin'
"Hiya, Mr. Jackson"
Everything's
O-K-A-L-A-M-A-Z-O-O
Oh, what a gal, a real pipperoo
I'll make my bid for that freckle-faced kid, I'm hurryin' to
I'm goin' to Michigan to see the sweetest gal in Kalamazoo
Zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, Kalamazoo
K-A-L-A-M-A-Z-O-O, oh oh oh
Oh what a gal, a real pipperoo
We're goin' to Michigan to see the sweetest gal in Kalamazoo
Zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo
Kalamazoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFv_PoZ2iP0
https://www.independent.co.uk/property/gardening/yes-we-can-grow-bananas-1592940.html
Was there less salad? I don't think so but I couldn't really say. What foodstuffs from the EU are we likely to need?
Supply problems for NI supermarkets are being overcome, a retail industry representative has told MPs.
There have been shortages of some products in supermarkets across NI.
It comes as retailers grapple with post-Brexit arrangements for importing food products from GB.
The problems were an "inevitable consequence" of the lateness in finalising the new trade arrangements, according to Andrew Opie, director of the British Retail Consortium.
But he warned problems would re-emerge if further new certification requirements are introduced in April.
"We did not get the final confirmation of how products could move until 31 December for a 1 January start," said Mr Opie.
"Therefore some products had more of a problem or were being held back for supply into Northern Ireland.
"Those shortages have been overcome now, pretty much."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55646360
Will Pfizer really ignore this easy and massive profit? I doubt it.
According to reports, the reason Israel is doing so well is because their government privately paid LOADS of money per Pfizer jab, very early on.
Money talks. And saves lives.
Good luck, mate.
An expensive private jab is easily justifiable for a lot of people.
No surprise that the Democratic controlled House has voted to impeach the President but more Republicans will need to vote for him to be convicted in the Senate than that
Anyway, everyone makes their own decision. It's not for me.
There will be some things such as pineapples and lettuce where much of it is thrown away.
Android is making the Covid-19 pandemic worse.
Google says it’s working to investigate issues with Android apps that use the Android Exposure Notifications System to track the spread of COVID-19. An issue began causing delays for apps using the system, resulting in longer load times and delays in notifications for regular exposure checks. The NHS COVID-19 app that’s used across England and Wales is affected by this Android issue, with a loading notification stuck in the notifications area for many users.
“We are aware of an issue affecting Android apps developed using the Android Exposure Notifications System,” a Google spokesperson told The Verge in a statement earlier on Wednesday. “Our engineers are investigating the issue.”
As of Wednesday afternoon, Google tells The Verge it’s issued a fix, but it may take some time for issues to subside, though Google says it’ll work with any affected app developers directly to remedy the issue if it persists.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/13/22228594/google-coronavirus-tracking-app-exposure-notifications-issues-problems
But totally agree. I don't think I actually did much looking at the battles or anything like that. I always enjoyed the accounts of parliaments, as its full of people arguing tiny details like sending things to committees, about petititons, and quibbling over if they have the power to do things and what terms to use just like modern parliaments!
It's strange that the supermarkets are screaming a day ago while a one step removed quango is saying it's all fine.
Not a net saving of lives is it? Just saving wealthy lives at the expense of poorer people's lives.
Or at least, maybe some state of the art industrial espionage software.
https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1349479513084850178?s=20
Alternatively a government might se the potential in profitable vaccine tourism.
https://youtu.be/F4PZXuk3TsM
(Only half joking here.)
I am saying
1: this is almost bound to happen - private provision of the vaccine - money does rule
2. even if it doesn't happen in the UK (unlikely) it will happen elsewhere, it is already happening in the UAE, and NYC, I also expect it to happen in Israel once they get to 100% jabbed
3. it will be a moral test for a lot of high minded, wealthy leftwing people, I expect many to fail (like my friend)