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  • eekeek Posts: 10,100
    First - unlike Mcconnell in moving for the impeachment
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 34,732
    Vote coming up

  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 2,796
    The "not sure" people are probably right .
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 36,845
    38% of Republicans are "ashamed". Disastrous for them.
  • Lock him up.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 53,302
    Cockney Covid has arrived in the Big Apple for some sightseeing...

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 2,531
    edited January 13
    FPT Re: US House vote on Articles of Impeachment, here in WA State will be interesting to see how the three Republicans from our delegation vote:
    > Jaime Herrera Beutler of WA CD03 (Vancouver & southwest WA) has just said she will vote for impeachment.
    > Dan Newhouse of WA CD04 (Yakima & most of Columbia River basin east of Cascade Mountains) has also said he will vote to impeach.
    > Cathy McMorris Rodgers of WA CD05 (Spokane and far eastern WA) has yet to announce her position on impeachment.

    Note that Newhouse and McMorris Rodgers (who is member of GOP House leadership) both supported the amicus curiae brief in support of Trumpsky's effort to overturn the electoral vote; Herrera Beutler did not.

    Further note that, after the Trumpsky Putsch, all three voted AGAINST objections to counting both AZ & PA EVs.

    Beyond that is fact that Newhouse and McMorris Rodgers are both UNLIKELY to ever run for US Senator or Governor. Why? Because it's been well over half a century since ANYONE from Eastern WA was elected to top statewide office.

    Whereas Herrera Beutler is from Western WA, thus giving her way better chances. She is only 42 years old but has just been re-elected to her fifth term as congresswoman. She is also Latina, one of the reasons why she was talent-spotted by the GOP in the first place; she worked for Cathy McMorris Rodgers before running for the legislature then Congress.

    For what it's worth, Just days ago during GOP House caucus meeting, JHB called out a QAnon congresswoman from Colorado for tweeting the location of members during the Putsch.

    In interests of semi-full disclosure, yours truly has some experience with campaigns AGAINST Herrera Beutler. She is a conservative, and a devout evangelical. But she is NOT a wing-nut. And certain NOT a Putinist.

    Personally think that her decision is LESS about political calculation, and more about personal conviction. AND same goes - even more so - for Newhouse
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 31,369
    edited January 13
    Powerful closing speech from the Dem leader

    Roll call vote

    It’s an electronic vote but CNN says it will take at least an hour

    CNN says a seventh Rep has declared support for impeachment
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 12,184

    Cockney Covid has arrived in the Big Apple for some sightseeing...

    Who the f*ck is currently flying over the Atlantic? Christ.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 53,302
    edited January 13

    Cockney Covid has arrived in the Big Apple for some sightseeing...

    Who the f*ck is currently flying over the Atlantic? Christ.
    Just as worrying, Brazilian Bum COVID is being exported and Shagger has decided no need to repeat the same procedure as with South Africa.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 10,115

    Lock him up.

    Perhaps Trump could claim he was just doing Drill?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55617706

  • RogerRoger Posts: 13,707
    edited January 13
    I'm not convinced those questions tell us much. Angry about what? Maybe that they had been driven to it. Ashamed of whom? They mean different things to different people. I saw a woman on a vox pop from Florida say she was disgusted Matt Frei couldn't see that the election was fraudulent
  • Cockney Covid has arrived in the Big Apple for some sightseeing...

    Who the f*ck is currently flying over the Atlantic? Christ.
    Just as worrying, Brazilian Bum COVID is being exported and Shagger has decided no need to repeat the same procedure as with South Africa.
    Boris Johnson should also be impeached.
  • eekeek Posts: 10,100
    IanB2 said:

    Powerful closing speech from the Dem leader

    Roll call vote

    It’s an electronic vote but CNN says it will take at least an hour

    CNN says a seventh Rep has declared support for impeachment

    CNN says Time remaining is 8 minutes
  • The (relatively) high % of surprised Republicans would appear to indicate, that many though that their Fearless Leader and his henchpeople were just talking thought their MAGA hats.

    Now they've found out they were NOT just whistling Dixie, but were willing & ready (if not able) to use mob violence to overturn the duly-elected government of the United States.

    Which has NOT been (until recently anyway) part of the Republican Party platform.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 31,369
    eek said:

    IanB2 said:

    Powerful closing speech from the Dem leader

    Roll call vote

    It’s an electronic vote but CNN says it will take at least an hour

    CNN says a seventh Rep has declared support for impeachment

    CNN says Time remaining is 8 minutes
    I see that, but last week it got to zero and people carried on voting. And the CNN anchor said it would take an hour.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 53,302
    edited January 13
    GP surgeries as far apart as Carnforth, north Lancashire, and Twickenham in south-west London reporting in the past few days that they cannot plan appointments more than a week ahead because they do not know what the NHS can supply them. “This is where pressure needs to be exerted on the politicians,” said David Wrigley, a GP in Carnforth and a vice-chair of the British Medical Association.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/gps-in-england-say-inconsistent-supply-of-covid-vaccine-causing-roll-out-issues

    I am not sure how that is going to speed up the bottling of 14 million doses? You scream as much as your like at Boris and Hancock, that isn't going to ramp up the speed of the production line in North Wales. Both has been very forthcoming that supply is the limiting factor.
  • Cockney Covid has arrived in the Big Apple for some sightseeing...

    Who the f*ck is currently flying over the Atlantic? Christ.
    Just as worrying, Brazilian Bum COVID is being exported and Shagger has decided no need to repeat the same procedure as with South Africa.
    Boris Johnson should also be impeached.
    And you guys still have Attainder of the Blood on the books, don't you?

    Whereas here in US, the socialist-progressives led by Washington, Madison, Hamilton, etc. specifically ruled it out in US Constitution.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 1,269
    IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    IanB2 said:

    Powerful closing speech from the Dem leader

    Roll call vote

    It’s an electronic vote but CNN says it will take at least an hour

    CNN says a seventh Rep has declared support for impeachment

    CNN says Time remaining is 8 minutes
    I see that, but last week it got to zero and people carried on voting. And the CNN anchor said it would take an hour.
    It was the same earlier when they were voting in setting the rules and indeed the timer basically seemed to be superfluous for whatever reason.
  • eek said:

    IanB2 said:

    Powerful closing speech from the Dem leader

    Roll call vote

    It’s an electronic vote but CNN says it will take at least an hour

    CNN says a seventh Rep has declared support for impeachment

    CNN says Time remaining is 8 minutes
    That really isn't the case, that's the rule during regular rollcall voting. Did NOT apply to votes on Putinist objections to AZ & PA EVs for example.

    Rollcalls now taking longer, because they are voting in groups to (try to) maintain (some semblance of) social distancing.
  • Cockney Covid has arrived in the Big Apple for some sightseeing...

    Who the f*ck is currently flying over the Atlantic? Christ.
    Just as worrying, Brazilian Bum COVID is being exported and Shagger has decided no need to repeat the same procedure as with South Africa.
    Boris Johnson should also be impeached.
    And you guys still have Attainder of the Blood on the books, don't you?

    Whereas here in US, the socialist-progressives led by Washington, Madison, Hamilton, etc. specifically ruled it out in US Constitution.
    We still have impeachment on our books.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7612/

    Fun fact, Boris Johnson was part of the group that tried to impeach Tony Blair.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_motion_to_impeach_Tony_Blair
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 31,369
    CNN suggesting two more Reps will vote for, making nine
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 53,302
    edited January 13
    Well Boris comment from this afternoon didn't last long....

    UK to introduce Brazil travel ban to prevent highly-infectious Covid strain spreading

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/13/uk-introduce-brazil-travel-ban-prevent-highly-infectious-covid/
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 11,407

    Cockney Covid has arrived in the Big Apple for some sightseeing...

    They do realise its already loose in many States and that is pretty pointless right?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 22,548

    Cockney Covid has arrived in the Big Apple for some sightseeing...

    Who the f*ck is currently flying over the Atlantic? Christ.
    Just as worrying, Brazilian Bum COVID is being exported and Shagger has decided no need to repeat the same procedure as with South Africa.
    Boris Johnson should also be impeached.
    And you guys still have Attainder of the Blood on the books, don't you?

    Whereas here in US, the socialist-progressives led by Washington, Madison, Hamilton, etc. specifically ruled it out in US Constitution.
    Abolished in 1814 in England and Wales
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 2,966

    Cockney Covid has arrived in the Big Apple for some sightseeing...

    Who the f*ck is currently flying over the Atlantic? Christ.
    Just as worrying, Brazilian Bum COVID is being exported and Shagger has decided no need to repeat the same procedure as with South Africa.
    Boris Johnson should also be impeached.
    And you guys still have Attainder of the Blood on the books, don't you?

    Whereas here in US, the socialist-progressives led by Washington, Madison, Hamilton, etc. specifically ruled it out in US Constitution.
    And yet they mysteriously managed to retain for the President the royal prerogatives of an unlimited pardon power and direct control of the armed forces.

    Oops.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 31,369
    Confirmation the Senate won’t start the trial until Jan 19th
  • Wonder IF Trumpsky or Boris ever heard of the 1st Earl of Stafford?

    And how loyally the sainted King Charles I stood by his minister - until the ax fell.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 53,302

    GP surgeries as far apart as Carnforth, north Lancashire, and Twickenham in south-west London reporting in the past few days that they cannot plan appointments more than a week ahead because they do not know what the NHS can supply them. “This is where pressure needs to be exerted on the politicians,” said David Wrigley, a GP in Carnforth and a vice-chair of the British Medical Association.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/gps-in-england-say-inconsistent-supply-of-covid-vaccine-causing-roll-out-issues

    I am not sure how that is going to speed up the bottling of 14 million doses? You scream as much as your like at Boris and Hancock, that isn't going to ramp up the speed of the production line in North Wales. Both has been very forthcoming that supply is the limiting factor.

    Plenty of people believe that shouting "do something" will help.

    When a traffic jam develops, the people who think that honking their horns will make it all go away. Those people.

    I presume they feel vindicated when the delivery driver finishes unloading the skip (or whatever) and traffic resumes it's normal flow.

    "I did that", they think.
    HONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNKK......HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONKKKKKK.....
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 15,312
    edited January 13

    GP surgeries as far apart as Carnforth, north Lancashire, and Twickenham in south-west London reporting in the past few days that they cannot plan appointments more than a week ahead because they do not know what the NHS can supply them. “This is where pressure needs to be exerted on the politicians,” said David Wrigley, a GP in Carnforth and a vice-chair of the British Medical Association.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/gps-in-england-say-inconsistent-supply-of-covid-vaccine-causing-roll-out-issues

    I am not sure how that is going to speed up the bottling of 14 million doses? You scream as much as your like at Boris and Hancock, that isn't going to ramp up the speed of the production line in North Wales. Both has been very forthcoming that supply is the limiting factor.

    At the very least, assuming there is nothing the government can do to make it possible for the bottling plant to increase speed further, they (the government) could give every vaccination point a schedule of delivery over the next three to four weeks.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 10,115

    IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    IanB2 said:

    Powerful closing speech from the Dem leader

    Roll call vote

    It’s an electronic vote but CNN says it will take at least an hour

    CNN says a seventh Rep has declared support for impeachment

    CNN says Time remaining is 8 minutes
    I see that, but last week it got to zero and people carried on voting. And the CNN anchor said it would take an hour.
    It was the same earlier when they were voting in setting the rules and indeed the timer basically seemed to be superfluous for whatever reason.
    So, you are saying that closing timing for polling stations is for poor Black areas of Alabama and not for Congress?

    I am so very very surprise..... I am shocked beyond the capacity for rational thought.
  • eekeek Posts: 10,100

    Well Boris comment from this afternoon didn't last long....

    UK to introduce Brazil travel ban to prevent highly-infectious Covid strain spreading

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/13/uk-introduce-brazil-travel-ban-prevent-highly-infectious-covid/

    Listen to Boris's first announcement and expect it to be reversed in hours as it becomes inevitable.
  • eek said:

    Well Boris comment from this afternoon didn't last long....

    UK to introduce Brazil travel ban to prevent highly-infectious Covid strain spreading

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/13/uk-introduce-brazil-travel-ban-prevent-highly-infectious-covid/

    Listen to Boris's first announcement and expect it to be reversed in hours as it becomes inevitable.
    That's why I'm worried about support bubbles being abolished.
  • Cockney Covid has arrived in the Big Apple for some sightseeing...

    Who the f*ck is currently flying over the Atlantic? Christ.
    Just as worrying, Brazilian Bum COVID is being exported and Shagger has decided no need to repeat the same procedure as with South Africa.
    Boris Johnson should also be impeached.
    And you guys still have Attainder of the Blood on the books, don't you?

    Whereas here in US, the socialist-progressives led by Washington, Madison, Hamilton, etc. specifically ruled it out in US Constitution.
    And yet they mysteriously managed to retain for the President the royal prerogatives of an unlimited pardon power and direct control of the armed forces.

    Oops.
    Not opps. Good policy.

    Of course, when a major party nominates then elects a traitor to his country as President, THAT's a problem, regardless of constitutional provisions.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 9,230

    Wonder IF Trumpsky or Boris ever heard of the 1st Earl of Stafford?

    And how loyally the sainted King Charles I stood by his minister - until the ax fell.

    Strafford, to be pedantic. But quite.

    Also the Stuart's liking for handing out lucrative monopolies to his chums.
  • GP surgeries as far apart as Carnforth, north Lancashire, and Twickenham in south-west London reporting in the past few days that they cannot plan appointments more than a week ahead because they do not know what the NHS can supply them. “This is where pressure needs to be exerted on the politicians,” said David Wrigley, a GP in Carnforth and a vice-chair of the British Medical Association.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/gps-in-england-say-inconsistent-supply-of-covid-vaccine-causing-roll-out-issues

    I am not sure how that is going to speed up the bottling of 14 million doses? You scream as much as your like at Boris and Hancock, that isn't going to ramp up the speed of the production line in North Wales. Both has been very forthcoming that supply is the limiting factor.

    Plenty of people believe that shouting "do something" will help.

    When a traffic jam develops, the people who think that honking their horns will make it all go away. Those people.

    I presume they feel vindicated when the delivery driver finishes unloading the skip (or whatever) and traffic resumes it's normal flow.

    "I did that", they think.
    A vivid image indeed. There are unfortunately several horn honkers on PB - it's the aspect of comments that I find the most tedious.

    --AS
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 53,302
    edited January 13

    GP surgeries as far apart as Carnforth, north Lancashire, and Twickenham in south-west London reporting in the past few days that they cannot plan appointments more than a week ahead because they do not know what the NHS can supply them. “This is where pressure needs to be exerted on the politicians,” said David Wrigley, a GP in Carnforth and a vice-chair of the British Medical Association.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/gps-in-england-say-inconsistent-supply-of-covid-vaccine-causing-roll-out-issues

    I am not sure how that is going to speed up the bottling of 14 million doses? You scream as much as your like at Boris and Hancock, that isn't going to ramp up the speed of the production line in North Wales. Both has been very forthcoming that supply is the limiting factor.

    At the very least, assuming there is nothing the government can do to make it possible for the bottling plant to increase speed further, they could give every vaccination point a schedule of delivery over the next three to four weeks.
    I don't think they can, not easily. The NHS is trying to balance across the country, to ensure the most vulnerable get a shot. But due to the nature of especially Pfizer vaccines, you just don't know, how many will I get done, how many will people that you really need to get done show up, if they don't, can we get some NHS staff in today, tomorrow.

    And all while AZN and subcontractors are trying to ramp up production as fast as possible, but who knows what might happen. Got to get each batch to pass QA, then they have to fill and finish (and there is a world shortage of the glass viles), etc.

    It is a massive moving target done at record speeds. That is why it should be expected that things at the moment can be a bit hit and miss.
  • Carnyx said:

    Wonder IF Trumpsky or Boris ever heard of the 1st Earl of Stafford?

    And how loyally the sainted King Charles I stood by his minister - until the ax fell.

    Strafford, to be pedantic. But quite.

    Also the Stuart's liking for handing out lucrative monopolies to his chums.
    I stand (or rather sit) corrected AND confirmed!
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 18,912

    GP surgeries as far apart as Carnforth, north Lancashire, and Twickenham in south-west London reporting in the past few days that they cannot plan appointments more than a week ahead because they do not know what the NHS can supply them. “This is where pressure needs to be exerted on the politicians,” said David Wrigley, a GP in Carnforth and a vice-chair of the British Medical Association.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/gps-in-england-say-inconsistent-supply-of-covid-vaccine-causing-roll-out-issues

    I am not sure how that is going to speed up the bottling of 14 million doses? You scream as much as your like at Boris and Hancock, that isn't going to ramp up the speed of the production line in North Wales. Both has been very forthcoming that supply is the limiting factor.

    Its easy to get supply consistent by reducing supply.

    Is that what those whining want ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 20,920

    Well Boris comment from this afternoon didn't last long....

    UK to introduce Brazil travel ban to prevent highly-infectious Covid strain spreading

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/13/uk-introduce-brazil-travel-ban-prevent-highly-infectious-covid/

    I think we have Yvette to thank for that. This thread from the Liason Committee shows why Johnson is so reluctant to appear.

  • Cockney Covid has arrived in the Big Apple for some sightseeing...

    Who the f*ck is currently flying over the Atlantic? Christ.
    Just as worrying, Brazilian Bum COVID is being exported and Shagger has decided no need to repeat the same procedure as with South Africa.
    Boris Johnson should also be impeached.
    And you guys still have Attainder of the Blood on the books, don't you?

    Whereas here in US, the socialist-progressives led by Washington, Madison, Hamilton, etc. specifically ruled it out in US Constitution.
    Abolished in 1814 in England and Wales
    SO still an option in Scotland & Northern Ireland?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 29,779

    Cockney Covid has arrived in the Big Apple for some sightseeing...

    Who the f*ck is currently flying over the Atlantic? Christ.
    Just as worrying, Brazilian Bum COVID is being exported and Shagger has decided no need to repeat the same procedure as with South Africa.
    Boris Johnson should also be impeached.
    That would be one in the eye for him
  • CNN, quoting senior Trump advisor:

    'President is clueless'

    Well, we knew that.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 31,369
    CNN reports a Trump advisor saying President is “clueless” as to the damage last week has done to his reputation and legacy
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 35,791
    Mike Pompeo is still shilling for Trump.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 53,302
    edited January 13
    One other thing about complaints about not being able to book miles ahead....we are in lockdown, the very vulnerable are shielding, they ain't going anywhere for the next 6 weeks*.

    Yes it is frustrating to see inconsistent deliveries as this huge roll out occurs, but the over 80s should be fairly easy to track down, they are at home.

    * Well I certainly hope they aren't deciding to go on a trip to the Caribbean.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 10,115

    GP surgeries as far apart as Carnforth, north Lancashire, and Twickenham in south-west London reporting in the past few days that they cannot plan appointments more than a week ahead because they do not know what the NHS can supply them. “This is where pressure needs to be exerted on the politicians,” said David Wrigley, a GP in Carnforth and a vice-chair of the British Medical Association.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/gps-in-england-say-inconsistent-supply-of-covid-vaccine-causing-roll-out-issues

    I am not sure how that is going to speed up the bottling of 14 million doses? You scream as much as your like at Boris and Hancock, that isn't going to ramp up the speed of the production line in North Wales. Both has been very forthcoming that supply is the limiting factor.

    Plenty of people believe that shouting "do something" will help.

    When a traffic jam develops, the people who think that honking their horns will make it all go away. Those people.

    I presume they feel vindicated when the delivery driver finishes unloading the skip (or whatever) and traffic resumes it's normal flow.

    "I did that", they think.
    A vivid image indeed. There are unfortunately several horn honkers on PB - it's the aspect of comments that I find the most tedious.

    --AS
    There is nothing that a suitable employee can't fix. I wonder if this guy does requests -

  • TimTTimT Posts: 2,119
    edited January 13
    Roger said:

    I'm not convinced those questions tell us much. Angry about what? Maybe that they had been driven to it. Ashamed of whom? They mean different things to different people. I saw a woman on a vox pop from Florida say she was disgusted Matt Frei couldn't see that the election was fraudulent

    Exactly. You could be proud of the way that Congress reacted after the halls were cleared. Excited by the events, as in a heightened biological response (paging the amygdala).

    But the 78% of the independents seeing this as either a bad or tragic day for America is informative, and should be getting McConnell's attention.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 31,369
    Reps supporting impeachment reaches the predicted nine, with 19 Reps left to vote
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,108

    Cockney Covid has arrived in the Big Apple for some sightseeing...

    Who the f*ck is currently flying over the Atlantic? Christ.
    Just as worrying, Brazilian Bum COVID is being exported and Shagger has decided no need to repeat the same procedure as with South Africa.
    Boris Johnson should also be impeached.
    And you guys still have Attainder of the Blood on the books, don't you?

    Whereas here in US, the socialist-progressives led by Washington, Madison, Hamilton, etc. specifically ruled it out in US Constitution.
    Abolished in 1814 in England and Wales
    Impeachment is theoretically still on the books though, although it's not been used since c 1800 (Clive of India was the last, wasn't he?).
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 9,230
    edited January 13

    GP surgeries as far apart as Carnforth, north Lancashire, and Twickenham in south-west London reporting in the past few days that they cannot plan appointments more than a week ahead because they do not know what the NHS can supply them. “This is where pressure needs to be exerted on the politicians,” said David Wrigley, a GP in Carnforth and a vice-chair of the British Medical Association.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/gps-in-england-say-inconsistent-supply-of-covid-vaccine-causing-roll-out-issues

    I am not sure how that is going to speed up the bottling of 14 million doses? You scream as much as your like at Boris and Hancock, that isn't going to ramp up the speed of the production line in North Wales. Both has been very forthcoming that supply is the limiting factor.

    Plenty of people believe that shouting "do something" will help.

    When a traffic jam develops, the people who think that honking their horns will make it all go away. Those people.

    I presume they feel vindicated when the delivery driver finishes unloading the skip (or whatever) and traffic resumes it's normal flow.

    "I did that", they think.
    A vivid image indeed. There are unfortunately several horn honkers on PB - it's the aspect of comments that I find the most tedious.

    --AS
    There is nothing that a suitable employee can't fix. I wonder if this guy does requests -

    Bloody hell, that's a WW2 anti-tank rifle. 14.5mm calibre. Could go through a tank very easily in the early-ish war years - in fact that was the original reason some German tanks had hang-on plates on the sides, to perturb the bullet before it got to the actual armour. How can he cope with the recoil?!
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 18,912
    Foxy said:

    Well Boris comment from this afternoon didn't last long....

    UK to introduce Brazil travel ban to prevent highly-infectious Covid strain spreading

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/13/uk-introduce-brazil-travel-ban-prevent-highly-infectious-covid/

    I think we have Yvette to thank for that. This thread from the Liason Committee shows why Johnson is so reluctant to appear.

    To be repeated the next time a new variant is discovered.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 12,393
    @RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 10,115
    Carnyx said:



    GP surgeries as far apart as Carnforth, north Lancashire, and Twickenham in south-west London reporting in the past few days that they cannot plan appointments more than a week ahead because they do not know what the NHS can supply them. “This is where pressure needs to be exerted on the politicians,” said David Wrigley, a GP in Carnforth and a vice-chair of the British Medical Association.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/gps-in-england-say-inconsistent-supply-of-covid-vaccine-causing-roll-out-issues

    I am not sure how that is going to speed up the bottling of 14 million doses? You scream as much as your like at Boris and Hancock, that isn't going to ramp up the speed of the production line in North Wales. Both has been very forthcoming that supply is the limiting factor.

    Plenty of people believe that shouting "do something" will help.

    When a traffic jam develops, the people who think that honking their horns will make it all go away. Those people.

    I presume they feel vindicated when the delivery driver finishes unloading the skip (or whatever) and traffic resumes it's normal flow.

    "I did that", they think.
    A vivid image indeed. There are unfortunately several horn honkers on PB - it's the aspect of comments that I find the most tedious.

    --AS
    There is nothing that a suitable employee can't fix. I wonder if this guy does requests -

    Bloody hell, that's a WW2 anti-tank rifle. 14.5mm calibre. Could go through a tank very easily in the early-ish war years - in fact that was the original reason some German tanks had hang-on plates on the sides, to perturb the bullet before it got to the actual armour. How can he cope with the recoil?!
    The suggestion on the internets is that he was using very light loads - just enough to cycle the action.
  • Foxy said:

    Well Boris comment from this afternoon didn't last long....

    UK to introduce Brazil travel ban to prevent highly-infectious Covid strain spreading

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/13/uk-introduce-brazil-travel-ban-prevent-highly-infectious-covid/

    I think we have Yvette to thank for that. This thread from the Liason Committee shows why Johnson is so reluctant to appear.

    To be repeated the next time a new variant is discovered.
    Exactly, since HMG is certain to be (yet again) 10p late and a pound short.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 15,312

    GP surgeries as far apart as Carnforth, north Lancashire, and Twickenham in south-west London reporting in the past few days that they cannot plan appointments more than a week ahead because they do not know what the NHS can supply them. “This is where pressure needs to be exerted on the politicians,” said David Wrigley, a GP in Carnforth and a vice-chair of the British Medical Association.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/gps-in-england-say-inconsistent-supply-of-covid-vaccine-causing-roll-out-issues

    I am not sure how that is going to speed up the bottling of 14 million doses? You scream as much as your like at Boris and Hancock, that isn't going to ramp up the speed of the production line in North Wales. Both has been very forthcoming that supply is the limiting factor.

    At the very least, assuming there is nothing the government can do to make it possible for the bottling plant to increase speed further, they could give every vaccination point a schedule of delivery over the next three to four weeks.
    I don't think they can, not easily. The NHS is trying to balance across the country, to ensure the most vulnerable get a shot. But due to the nature of especially Pfizer vaccines, you just don't know, how many will I get done, how many will people that you really need to get done show up, if they don't, can we get some NHS staff in today, tomorrow.

    And all while AZN and subcontractors are trying to ramp up production as fast as possible, but who knows what might happen. Got to get each batch to pass QA, then they have to fill and finish (and there is a world shortage of the glass viles), etc.

    It is a massive moving target done at record speeds. That is why it should be expected that things at the moment can be a bit hit and miss.
    Look I am not saying it's easy but the bottling plant must know how many they expect to bottle each day. Somebody at the centre has to decide how to distribute them as fairly and advantaeously as possible. The person (team) should say to each vaccination centre 'this is how many we expect you to have and on which days.

    If they can then exceed that planned production, well great, they can then offer the excess out to any centres that think thay can use them.

    This is the system we will inevitably arrive at very soon. The sooner the better.
  • You know I've been saying for ages that Shaun Bailey is a complete idiot and if Rory Stewart was standing Bailey would finish third, here's more evidence for that.

    The Conservative candidate for London mayor has sparked controversy after suggesting that homeless people in the capital would be able to save up for a £5,000 deposit to buy a share in a newly-built affordable home.

    Shaun Bailey has promised to deliver 100,000 affordable homes with his £4bn housing budget if he wins the election in April, many of them shared ownership, of which buyers would be able to purchase a share for as little as £100,000.

    Asked in an interview with Inside Housing how this policy would benefit the capital’s 62,670 households currently in temporary accommodation, Bailey said he would encourage them to apply for shared ownership properties.

    Asked how these families would produce a £5,000 deposit and secure a mortgage, he said: “I don’t think the £5,000 will [be a problem]. The mortgage application thing might be a bit tougher … they could save for it, yeah.”


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/13/tory-london-mayor-candidate-homeless-can-save-up-for-house-deposit
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 31,369
    Impeachment vote reaches a majority with 217 voting in favour
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 29,779

    Wonder IF Trumpsky or Boris ever heard of the 1st Earl of Stafford?

    And how loyally the sainted King Charles I stood by his minister - until the ax fell.

    Charles even turned up to watch his trial.

    I’d recommend the “Noble War” as a rather fun account
  • TimTTimT Posts: 2,119

    GP surgeries as far apart as Carnforth, north Lancashire, and Twickenham in south-west London reporting in the past few days that they cannot plan appointments more than a week ahead because they do not know what the NHS can supply them. “This is where pressure needs to be exerted on the politicians,” said David Wrigley, a GP in Carnforth and a vice-chair of the British Medical Association.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/gps-in-england-say-inconsistent-supply-of-covid-vaccine-causing-roll-out-issues

    I am not sure how that is going to speed up the bottling of 14 million doses? You scream as much as your like at Boris and Hancock, that isn't going to ramp up the speed of the production line in North Wales. Both has been very forthcoming that supply is the limiting factor.

    Plenty of people believe that shouting "do something" will help.

    When a traffic jam develops, the people who think that honking their horns will make it all go away. Those people.

    I presume they feel vindicated when the delivery driver finishes unloading the skip (or whatever) and traffic resumes it's normal flow.

    "I did that", they think.
    A vivid image indeed. There are unfortunately several horn honkers on PB - it's the aspect of comments that I find the most tedious.

    --AS
    There is nothing that a suitable employee can't fix. I wonder if this guy does requests -

    Looks like the kind of gun The Accountant used at the farm for target practice.
  • What is the purpose of "time remaining" on House votes? Nothing seems to happen when it gets to 0.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 31,369
    A tenth Rep votes yes
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 12,393
    edited January 13

    You know I've been saying for ages that Shaun Bailey is a complete idiot and if Rory Stewart was standing Bailey would finish third, here's more evidence for that.

    The Conservative candidate for London mayor has sparked controversy after suggesting that homeless people in the capital would be able to save up for a £5,000 deposit to buy a share in a newly-built affordable home.

    Shaun Bailey has promised to deliver 100,000 affordable homes with his £4bn housing budget if he wins the election in April, many of them shared ownership, of which buyers would be able to purchase a share for as little as £100,000.

    Asked in an interview with Inside Housing how this policy would benefit the capital’s 62,670 households currently in temporary accommodation, Bailey said he would encourage them to apply for shared ownership properties.

    Asked how these families would produce a £5,000 deposit and secure a mortgage, he said: “I don’t think the £5,000 will [be a problem]. The mortgage application thing might be a bit tougher … they could save for it, yeah.”


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/13/tory-london-mayor-candidate-homeless-can-save-up-for-house-deposit

    Rory who?

    Still can't quite understand how he lasted in the leadership contest as long as he did. A distinctly unimpressive speaker in my experience.
  • Trump's the greatest ever President.

    Only the best gets impeached twice.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 9,230
    Charles said:

    Wonder IF Trumpsky or Boris ever heard of the 1st Earl of Stafford?

    And how loyally the sainted King Charles I stood by his minister - until the ax fell.

    Charles even turned up to watch his trial.

    I’d recommend the “Noble War” as a rather fun account
    Is that title correct, please? I can't find any obvious candidates.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 60,514
    Trying to contrast Ford's pardon of Nixon and why it was ok to move forward there is interesting.
  • Mortimer said:

    @RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?

    An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.

    What happened before?
    1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU
    2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis

    So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.

    You want to try again?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 15,312
    Am I right, 223,726 vaccines today? 58k more than yesterday so heading in the right direction.
  • What is the purpose of "time remaining" on House votes? Nothing seems to happen when it gets to 0.

    The time limit for voting has been suspended during the pandemic so reps can socially distance during the voting process.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 6,266
    Does anyone have today’s vaccine numbers?

    I hope they are far better then yesterday’s dismal return.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 60,514

    Mike Pompeo is still shilling for Trump.

    I think it would be rather hilarious if Trump achieved genuine peace in various places that would justify a Nobel.
  • eekeek Posts: 10,100

    Trump's the greatest ever President.

    Only the best gets impeached twice.

    To be impeached twice the first one has to fail...
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 12,393
    edited January 13

    Mortimer said:

    @RochdalePioneers - how was accompanied freight handled pre our accession to EEC?

    An insightful question that magically fixes all of the problems today.

    What happened before?
    1. It took time! Delays that disappeared completely with the EEA and CU
    2. Traffic was significantly lower. We didn't have an integrated logistics network plugged into "the continent" with large amounts of stuff passing backward and forward on a just in time basis

    So "it worked before so it will work now" is pointing out that because we used to be able to build Saturn 5 rockets it would be easy to build a new one and go back to the moon.

    You want to try again?
    Are you this unnecessarily rude in real life, or just on here?

    My feeling is that what is mostly likely to change is the supply chains. The logistics networks.

    Interestingly, I don't seem to have any problems with post to Europe. Despite the pandemic.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 15,312

    Does anyone have today’s vaccine numbers?

    I hope they are far better then yesterday’s dismal return.

    See below @9:26
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 60,514

    GP surgeries as far apart as Carnforth, north Lancashire, and Twickenham in south-west London reporting in the past few days that they cannot plan appointments more than a week ahead because they do not know what the NHS can supply them. “This is where pressure needs to be exerted on the politicians,” said David Wrigley, a GP in Carnforth and a vice-chair of the British Medical Association.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/gps-in-england-say-inconsistent-supply-of-covid-vaccine-causing-roll-out-issues

    I am not sure how that is going to speed up the bottling of 14 million doses? You scream as much as your like at Boris and Hancock, that isn't going to ramp up the speed of the production line in North Wales. Both has been very forthcoming that supply is the limiting factor.

    Plenty of people believe that shouting "do something" will help.
    On topic, Donald Trump before a baying mob thought shouting 'do something' would help, so you're right people believe that.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 13,707

    Foxy said:

    Well Boris comment from this afternoon didn't last long....

    UK to introduce Brazil travel ban to prevent highly-infectious Covid strain spreading

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/13/uk-introduce-brazil-travel-ban-prevent-highly-infectious-covid/

    I think we have Yvette to thank for that. This thread from the Liason Committee shows why Johnson is so reluctant to appear.

    To be repeated the next time a new variant is discovered.
    Can't she lead the Labour Party? She wouldn't smother herself in Union Jacks write a column for the Telegraph or do a U turn on the EU. She's also a hell of a lot more forensic than Starmer is
  • IanB2 said:

    A tenth Rep votes yes

    That's at the high end of my expectations and makes me doubt my belief that the Senate will not convict the bastard.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 53,302
    edited January 13

    GP surgeries as far apart as Carnforth, north Lancashire, and Twickenham in south-west London reporting in the past few days that they cannot plan appointments more than a week ahead because they do not know what the NHS can supply them. “This is where pressure needs to be exerted on the politicians,” said David Wrigley, a GP in Carnforth and a vice-chair of the British Medical Association.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/gps-in-england-say-inconsistent-supply-of-covid-vaccine-causing-roll-out-issues

    I am not sure how that is going to speed up the bottling of 14 million doses? You scream as much as your like at Boris and Hancock, that isn't going to ramp up the speed of the production line in North Wales. Both has been very forthcoming that supply is the limiting factor.

    At the very least, assuming there is nothing the government can do to make it possible for the bottling plant to increase speed further, they could give every vaccination point a schedule of delivery over the next three to four weeks.
    I don't think they can, not easily. The NHS is trying to balance across the country, to ensure the most vulnerable get a shot. But due to the nature of especially Pfizer vaccines, you just don't know, how many will I get done, how many will people that you really need to get done show up, if they don't, can we get some NHS staff in today, tomorrow.

    And all while AZN and subcontractors are trying to ramp up production as fast as possible, but who knows what might happen. Got to get each batch to pass QA, then they have to fill and finish (and there is a world shortage of the glass viles), etc.

    It is a massive moving target done at record speeds. That is why it should be expected that things at the moment can be a bit hit and miss.
    Look I am not saying it's easy but the bottling plant must know how many they expect to bottle each day. Somebody at the centre has to decide how to distribute them as fairly and advantaeously as possible. The person (team) should say to each vaccination centre 'this is how many we expect you to have and on which days.

    If they can then exceed that planned production, well great, they can then offer the excess out to any centres that think thay can use them.

    This is the system we will inevitably arrive at very soon. The sooner the better.
    I would guess behind the schemes it is rather chaotic at times. Bottling plant messes up, loses a batch or breaks down and misses a target for a shift. 100s of new vaccinations sites opening every day, requiring adding to the distribution chain, perhaps sites get overlooked etc.

    I think the quote was they are basically trying to open the equivalent of a national supermarket chain in a month.

    I think the government are focused on setting up as much capacity as fast as possible, with the goal of them being open and having worked out the kinks by the time we get massive consistent supply.

    My father got his jab today and was very impressed by how it was all organized. Very smooth. The only downside for the centre, they were doing the Pfizer one, which means apparently they are only doing 500 a day.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 28,312
    Biden appears to have learned at least one lesson from Obama’s first term mistakes.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/12/joe-biden-plan-midterms-shellacking-458316
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 12,393
    Roger said:

    Foxy said:

    Well Boris comment from this afternoon didn't last long....

    UK to introduce Brazil travel ban to prevent highly-infectious Covid strain spreading

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/13/uk-introduce-brazil-travel-ban-prevent-highly-infectious-covid/

    I think we have Yvette to thank for that. This thread from the Liason Committee shows why Johnson is so reluctant to appear.

    To be repeated the next time a new variant is discovered.
    Can't she lead the Labour Party? She wouldn't smother herself in Union Jacks write a column for the Telegraph or do a U turn on the EU. She's also a hell of a lot more forensic than Starmer is
    I suspect she wouldn't win the party leadership, let alone the general....
  • RogerRoger Posts: 13,707

    Mike Pompeo is still shilling for Trump.

    Trump and Netanyahu. A perfect combo!!
  • kle4 said:

    Trying to contrast Ford's pardon of Nixon and why it was ok to move forward there is interesting.
    Speaking of Gerald Ford, note that he was a leading light in America First back in 1940 while attending Yale University Law School.

    BUT he changed his mind after Pearl Harbor. And like millions of other Americans switched from being an isolationist to an internationalist. Just like Sen. Arthur Vandenberg (R-MI).

    In fact, in 1946 Ford ran for Congress against a long-standing, staunchly-isolationist incumbent, beating him in the Republican primary and going on to win the general election. And the rest, as they say, is history.

    IF you had told him in 1940 that he'd be ATTACKING a fellow GOPer for being an isolationist, he'd have said you were nuts.

    Sea change.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 53,302
    edited January 13

    Does anyone have today’s vaccine numbers?

    I hope they are far better then yesterday’s dismal return.

    About 225k.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 29,779
    rpjs said:

    Cockney Covid has arrived in the Big Apple for some sightseeing...

    Who the f*ck is currently flying over the Atlantic? Christ.
    Just as worrying, Brazilian Bum COVID is being exported and Shagger has decided no need to repeat the same procedure as with South Africa.
    Boris Johnson should also be impeached.
    And you guys still have Attainder of the Blood on the books, don't you?

    Whereas here in US, the socialist-progressives led by Washington, Madison, Hamilton, etc. specifically ruled it out in US Constitution.
    Abolished in 1814 in England and Wales
    Impeachment is theoretically still on the books though, although it's not been used since c 1800 (Clive of India was the last, wasn't he?).
    My comment up thread is a clue (it was Clive’s boss)
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 18,912

    Does anyone have today’s vaccine numbers?

    I hope they are far better then yesterday’s dismal return.

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 60,514
    IanB2 said:

    A tenth Rep votes yes

    Had hoped for, but not expected, around double that, but hey, double figures is something at least. So around 5% of the total? Only need to sextuple or so that percentrage in the Senate.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 28,312
    Why any ‘free speech’ defence of what Trump did last week is applesauce:
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/01/13/trump-impeachment-incitement-free-speech-458884
  • Roger said:

    Mike Pompeo is still shilling for Trump.

    Trump and Netanyahu. A perfect combo!!
    The late Sheldon Adelson was a strong financial supporter of both.
  • kle4 said:

    Mike Pompeo is still shilling for Trump.

    I think it would be rather hilarious if Trump achieved genuine peace in various places that would justify a Nobel.
    Sadly, Trumpsky has never achieved ANYTHING that is "genuine" indeed does not know the meaning of the word.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 38,775

    Trump's the greatest ever President.

    Only the best gets impeached twice.

    Biggest impeachment ever.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 60,514
    Roger said:

    Mike Pompeo is still shilling for Trump.

    Trump and Netanyahu. A perfect combo!!
    Netanyahu knows a lot more about staying in power despite accusations of corruption.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 13,707

    Trump's the greatest ever President.

    Only the best gets impeached twice.

    Biggest impeachment ever.
    Hilarious!

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-donald-trump-nobel-peace-prize-b1786789.html
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 12,184
    Roger said:

    Mike Pompeo is still shilling for Trump.

    Trump and Netanyahu. A perfect combo!!
    You just need Bolsonaro and Modi there and it's @HYUFD 's wet dream team.
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