If you were Trump and the Family, you have to now be finalising your thinking about where to go once you leave office.
As the chance of arrest is increasing from a number of fronts, perhaps the speculated flounce to Turnberry is a sane option. If the Americans want him back they'd have to secure his extradition - would they push it that far and would a UK court grant it?
Why would any sane UK government permit Trumpsky to enter the country? He incited a mob to attack democracy, with the result that four people are dead. Thus ample grounds to deny him entry as a dangerous, racist, violent, anti-democratic (small d) extremist.
You mean hes a normal American. We let millions of them come over here why discriminate ?
GO FUCK YOURSELF, YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE.
And thanks for showing us your true stripes.
LOL, good to see a well reasoned argument
Sticky your fat head back up your fat ass.
You have the gall to call yourself "Alanbrooke" the real deal would regard you as a pathetic turd, after all HE was one of the people who helped create the Special Relationship.
Wheras you are one of the people who is working overtime to tear it down.
Anyone who would mock my country like you just did, especially after a day like yesterday is BENEATH MY CONTEMPT. Do NOT expect me to bandy words with such scum as you.
Steady on.
Hear, hear. SeaShanty, have a nice cup of tea to cool off. We'd much rather have you on here.
Believe I am now well within bounds, if not the Mod will surely let me know.
But know this - yours truly WILL react when ANYONE attacks my country. I do NOT say, my country right or wrong. But I do say, it IS my country and I will defend & uphold it to the best of my feeble ability.
If I was in a bar room with Anti-Alanbrooke, would have punched him in the nose just now. And gladly taken the consequences.
You're outwith the bounds in my view and I have flagged your post.
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
Only from the PB Trumptons.
Only on PB.
I have never posted anything pro trump I despise the guy and how you equate "I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms" and not saying anything positive in the least about it as being pro trump just reminds me of what a lefty idiot you are
Trumpton.
Typically sneery lefty labelling with no supporting evidence....here is my hand feel free to talk to it
If you were Trump and the Family, you have to now be finalising your thinking about where to go once you leave office.
As the chance of arrest is increasing from a number of fronts, perhaps the speculated flounce to Turnberry is a sane option. If the Americans want him back they'd have to secure his extradition - would they push it that far and would a UK court grant it?
Why would any sane UK government permit Trumpsky to enter the country? He incited a mob to attack democracy, with the result that four people are dead. Thus ample grounds to deny him entry as a dangerous, racist, violent, anti-democratic (small d) extremist.
You mean hes a normal American. We let millions of them come over here why discriminate ?
GO FUCK YOURSELF, YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE.
And thanks for showing us your true stripes.
LOL, good to see a well reasoned argument
Sticky your fat head back up your fat ass.
You have the gall to call yourself "Alanbrooke" the real deal would regard you as a pathetic turd, after all HE was one of the people who helped create the Special Relationship.
Wheras you are one of the people who is working overtime to tear it down.
Anyone who would mock my country like you just did, especially after a day like yesterday is BENEATH MY CONTEMPT. Do NOT expect me to bandy words with such scum as you.
Steady on.
Hear, hear. SeaShanty, have a nice cup of tea to cool off. We'd much rather have you on here.
Agreed, but justifiable to get angry at Alanbrooke's snide anti-American barb. Pretty nasty stuff.
But not so it gets you thrown off the site. It can take a pachydermatous hide though.
Good to see a handful of Brexiters finally concede it is economically damaging, albeit not worth worrying about because Covid.
Frustratingly, they (Alanbrooke, Leon) are also quite elderly and so unlikely to have to really experience the shitty mess they voted to deliver.
SeanT's kids will though
Who is this SeanT? I see him much talked about. He appears to loom large in your mind, like a kind of much younger, more virile, more handsome Trump, who is also f*cking your wife
Perhaps it was Florida Felon what won the state for Trump.
Well, in 2005, during the court contest over the Gregoire-Rossi 2004 race for WA Governor, the only votes actually removed from the tally by the court, were three votes cast by un-discharged felons ineligible to vote at that time.
Two were for Rossi, the Republican, one for the Libertarian candidate, and zero for Gregoire, the Democrat and eventual winner.
Indeed, analysis of the felons who DID vote in that election, indicated that they favored the Republican.
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
Only from the PB Trumptons.
Only on PB.
I have never posted anything pro trump I despise the guy and how you equate "I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms" and not saying anything positive in the least about it as being pro trump just reminds me of what a lefty idiot you are
Trumpton.
Typically sneery lefty labelling with no supporting evidence....here is my hand feel free to talk to it
Any supporting evidence that the US Election was stolen?
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
Only from the PB Trumptons.
Only on PB.
I have never posted anything pro trump I despise the guy and how you equate "I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms" and not saying anything positive in the least about it as being pro trump just reminds me of what a lefty idiot you are
Trumpton.
Typically sneery lefty labelling with no supporting evidence....here is my hand feel free to talk to it
Any supporting evidence that the US Election was stolen?
It is my country and I will defend & uphold it... I'm never physical (far too strong even now), but crafty verbal ripostes work assuming a degree of intelligence. Unfortunately, the best rejoinders usually come to me too late.
I wonder what Plato would be posting if she was still with us?
I think she would have followed James Delingpole into bonkerslands.
I know James. I believe he still makes a very decent living (and is a likeable guy, believe it or not).
The trouble is, once you are alienated from the major social media platforms, or even expelled, the economic pressure is then to become even MORE extreme, to make every single column the ultimate clickbait, so you generate traffic for your newspaper/online media/podcast, who then make you higher profile,so you get even more clicks, and so on
The internet literally incentivises insane and extreme opinions. This is true of Left or Right. That is why it is so corrosive of western liberal democracy as we know it.
Trump was made by Twitter
Does that also explain Toby Young who a previous poster knew and thought was a likeable guy?
What happened to writing well and interestingly as an incentive?
I am but a humble sex toy flint knapper, at present chipping away at a bespoke Suffolk-artisanal clit-stimulator for a well known Love Island star. I know nothing of these things,
On the upside, I can say one of my bespoke flint dildos made $35k the other day, which has cheered me up no end. A year's salary in an hour. Nice. I wish such good luck on all my fellow PB-ers
James Delingpole, Toby Young, Boris Johnson -- Oxford contemporaries turned Fleet Street scribblers.
Brexiteers are "lucky". The destruction of Brexit is going to look trivial compared to Coronavirus. And by the time the major Brexit damage is done it will all be overshadowed by ongoing struggles with the virus.
Not really.
Covid and Brexit will kill different parts of the economy in different ways so it will always be possible to attribute
Nah, sorry. Covid is a global trauma on a par with a World War. That's how bad it is is (already) and it could get worse. Brexit is a painful but comparatively trivial rejigging of our trading arrangements. And it may, over time (and I think it will) allow us more freedom which might make us richer, or at least more contented.
BUT ANYHOW IT IS IRRELEVANT. No one gives a TINY fuck any more. So we can't get Brie. So some bankers are poorer. So London is dented. MILLIONS HAVE DIED.
I know you are obsessed with Brexit, but emotionally speaking it now, already, history. The virus is is so dreadful and so global - tangentially causing near civil war in America - everything else shrinks into the shadows.
Of course some nutters will continue to obsess. I accept this includes you
I predict another victim will be climate change. As an item on the vital agenda. It will remain very important but it will no longer feel like an emergency. Covid has shown us what a REAL emergency looks like
I agree with all of that except for climate change.
Covid has shown us both that we need to take scientific emergencies seriously and that it is possible to tackle them when we put our minds to it. It has also led to a decades of advances in remote communications etc in one year as an alternative to travel for the same thing.
Covid has made it easier and more credible to tackle climate change.
I don't think climate change is really a political issue in the UK or Europe in the way it still is in the USA.
Of course that might change if the Vegan loons get the upper hand.
Indeed, I don't think its ever been that much of a political issue in the UK despite some extremists wanting to make it one. Thatcher, Cameron and Boris have all made a very big point about dealing with humanity changing the climate, ozone layer etc
Vegans are just loons. Probably don't get enough protein, addles their brain, they should try a hamburger for their mental health.
Thatcher should be a hero of the environmental lobby.
She was the first major global leader to take the issue seriously in the late 80s.
Charles Moore's autobiography of her on this subject is utterly fascinating.
The Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction was opened by Thatcher when she was PM.
I mentioned this at a Climate Camp in an "even Thatcher realised this was a problem decades ago" sort of way, when the group of us were trying to rally our spirits before protecting the Camp vegetables from confiscation by riot police, and it became clear that I'd misjudged my audience.
I wonder what Plato would be posting if she was still with us?
I fear she would have flown over to join the stop the steal protest....
Yup, I remember some of the tweets she posted that led to her ban from PB were similar to the ones posted by Ashli Babbit.
Airforce vet Trump rioter, 35, who was shot dead by cops while storming Capitol had charges of reckless endangerment, malicious destruction of property and tampering with a car on her rap sheet
""When they broke the glass in the back, the (police) lieutenant that was there, him and I already had multiple conversations prior to this, and he didn't have a choice at that time," Mullin said. "The mob was going to come through the door, there was a lot of members and staff that were in danger at the time. And when he [drew] his weapon, that's a decision that's very hard for anyone to make and, once you draw your weapon like that, you have to defend yourself with deadly force.""
Sorry if that doesn't help your increasingly desperate attempts to excuse Trump and his alt-right supporters.
Good to see a handful of Brexiters finally concede it is economically damaging, albeit not worth worrying about because Covid.
Frustratingly, they (Alanbrooke, Leon) are also quite elderly and so unlikely to have to really experience the shitty mess they voted to deliver.
SeanT's kids will though
Who is this SeanT? I see him much talked about. He appears to loom large in your mind, like a kind of much younger, more virile, more handsome Trump, who is also f*cking your wife
LOL Leon. I guess you are the new SeanT.
This incarnation has all the manifold downsides of Sean without any of the upsides (of which, there were, admittedly, many).
‘Leon’ is a third-rare doom pornographer with zero sense of humour, and a boring, repetitive tone.
Time for a reboot - the other Seans were excellent on travel, London pubs, and wine.
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
We condemn the capitol because we see it as democracy under threat ad that is currently how we govern ourselves therefore we see it as good. We applaud Ceacescu because it was a dictatorship and we see it as bad because thats not how we do things.
I do wonder though whether we are at the nether end of the representative democratic age, societies seem to polarised now and whoever is elected about half the country feels unrepresented. Look at america with republicans and democrats, brexit with remainers and leavers, the Johnson government where people claiming 53% of people voted against it. Macron and LePen though being french they seem to be more of the mind they don't really care who gets voted in as long as they don't try and implement any of the manifesto they got voted in for.
Is that to say democracy is dead? No but I think representative democracy is perhaps on life support in many places
Democracy needs renewal in a participatory direction, probably a radically participatory one. It's worth defending and preserving, but its flaws at the moment, in countries like the US and Britain, aren't just social and economic, but representational too.
It doesn't have flaws, it is working as intended.
The Americans just got rid of Trump and the Brits avoided his left wing mirror image last year. Two wins for democracy.
Any alternative system a Trump gets into power and he stays in power. Trump is on his way out now thanks to democracy working as it is supposed to do so.
As discussed last week, vast buy-in to conspiracy theories - even today 35-40% of Americans still apparently believe the election was in some way stolen - and the entirety of the Trump phenomenon itself suggest very significant democratic trouble.
Thank goodness they don't have PR and can be outvoted by the sane ones then.
The reasons are a lot more systemic and go back a lot further than that, though. In a two-party duopoly, any more traditionally-minded Americans, for instance, have had to vote for ultra-free market ideology too to have any realistic chance of representation for 40 years.
The parties are big tents and can and have changed and evolved - and you can get involved within them to change them from within too.
In a sense Biden is going to have a breeze of a presidency. Every daily act of normality will be seen as restoring the calm governance of the republic.
On the other hand the future expects him to put in place constitutional changes that will stop someone with Trump's conditions every able to get near the Oval office again.
Brexiteers are "lucky". The destruction of Brexit is going to look trivial compared to Coronavirus. And by the time the major Brexit damage is done it will all be overshadowed by ongoing struggles with the virus.
Not really.
Covid and Brexit will kill different parts of the economy in different ways so it will always be possible to attribute
Nah, sorry. Covid is a global trauma on a par with a World War. That's how bad it is is (already) and it could get worse. Brexit is a painful but comparatively trivial rejigging of our trading arrangements. And it may, over time (and I think it will) allow us more freedom which might make us richer, or at least more contented.
BUT ANYHOW IT IS IRRELEVANT. No one gives a TINY fuck any more. So we can't get Brie. So some bankers are poorer. So London is dented. MILLIONS HAVE DIED.
I know you are obsessed with Brexit, but emotionally speaking it now, already, history. The virus is is so dreadful and so global - tangentially causing near civil war in America - everything else shrinks into the shadows.
Of course some nutters will continue to obsess. I accept this includes you
I predict another victim will be climate change. As an item on the vital agenda. It will remain very important but it will no longer feel like an emergency. Covid has shown us what a REAL emergency looks like
I agree with all of that except for climate change.
Covid has shown us both that we need to take scientific emergencies seriously and that it is possible to tackle them when we put our minds to it. It has also led to a decades of advances in remote communications etc in one year as an alternative to travel for the same thing.
Covid has made it easier and more credible to tackle climate change.
I don't think climate change is really a political issue in the UK or Europe in the way it still is in the USA.
Of course that might change if the Vegan loons get the upper hand.
Indeed, I don't think its ever been that much of a political issue in the UK despite some extremists wanting to make it one. Thatcher, Cameron and Boris have all made a very big point about dealing with humanity changing the climate, ozone layer etc
Vegans are just loons. Probably don't get enough protein, addles their brain, they should try a hamburger for their mental health.
Thatcher should be a hero of the environmental lobby.
She was the first major global leader to take the issue seriously in the late 80s.
Charles Moore's autobiography of her on this subject is utterly fascinating.
The Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction was opened by Thatcher when she was PM.
I mentioned this at a Climate Camp in an "even Thatcher realised this was a problem decades ago" sort of way, when the group of us were trying to rally our spirits before protecting the Camp vegetables from confiscation by riot police, and it became clear that I'd misjudged my audience.
Amd her actions on the ozone layer. Infinitely more important than the Falklands, in the not so long run, and that is no disrespect to the servicemen involved in that horrendous campaign.
If you were Trump and the Family, you have to now be finalising your thinking about where to go once you leave office.
As the chance of arrest is increasing from a number of fronts, perhaps the speculated flounce to Turnberry is a sane option. If the Americans want him back they'd have to secure his extradition - would they push it that far and would a UK court grant it?
Why would any sane UK government permit Trumpsky to enter the country? He incited a mob to attack democracy, with the result that four people are dead. Thus ample grounds to deny him entry as a dangerous, racist, violent, anti-democratic (small d) extremist.
You mean hes a normal American. We let millions of them come over here why discriminate ?
GO FUCK YOURSELF, YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE.
And thanks for showing us your true stripes.
LOL, good to see a well reasoned argument
Sticky your fat head back up your fat ass.
You have the gall to call yourself "Alanbrooke" the real deal would regard you as a pathetic turd, after all HE was one of the people who helped create the Special Relationship.
Wheras you are one of the people who is working overtime to tear it down.
Anyone who would mock my country like you just did, especially after a day like yesterday is BENEATH MY CONTEMPT. Do NOT expect me to bandy words with such scum as you.
Steady on.
Hear, hear. SeaShanty, have a nice cup of tea to cool off. We'd much rather have you on here.
Believe I am now well within bounds, if not the Mod will surely let me know.
But know this - yours truly WILL react when ANYONE attacks my country. I do NOT say, my country right or wrong. But I do say, it IS my country and I will defend & uphold it to the best of my feeble ability.
If I was in a bar room with Anti-Alanbrooke, would have punched him in the nose just now. And gladly taken the consequences.
You're outwith the bounds in my view and I have flagged your post.
You need to log off and cool off.
Thank you for your input AND for putting it in plain English.
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
Only from the PB Trumptons.
Only on PB.
I have never posted anything pro trump I despise the guy and how you equate "I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms" and not saying anything positive in the least about it as being pro trump just reminds me of what a lefty idiot you are
Trumpton.
Typically sneery lefty labelling with no supporting evidence....here is my hand feel free to talk to it
Any supporting evidence that the US Election was stolen?
Did I ever claim there was?
My point was american politics is all about cash, politicians need business to finance their campaigns that is why it really doesn't matter which party you vote for in the states. The politicians are all owned by the big money from day one.
While we do have some of that problem in the uk and indeed in all democracies we dont have it to the same extent because we have limits on campaign spending and becoming pm doesnt rely on 100's of millions of dollars in donations. Look at Ajit Pai for an example of how politicians in the us pay back their donors
Good to see a handful of Brexiters finally concede it is economically damaging, albeit not worth worrying about because Covid.
Frustratingly, they (Alanbrooke, Leon) are also quite elderly and so unlikely to have to really experience the shitty mess they voted to deliver.
SeanT's kids will though
Who is this SeanT? I see him much talked about. He appears to loom large in your mind, like a kind of much younger, more virile, more handsome Trump, who is also f*cking your wife
LOL Leon. I guess you are the new SeanT.
This incarnation has all the manifold downsides of Sean without any of the upsides (of which, there were, admittedly, many).
‘Leon’ is a third-rare doom pornographer with zero sense of humour, and a boring, repetitive tone.
Time for a reboot - the other Seans were excellent on travel, London pubs, and wine.
I agree with all of that except for climate change.
Covid has shown us both that we need to take scientific emergencies seriously and that it is possible to tackle them when we put our minds to it. It has also led to a decades of advances in remote communications etc in one year as an alternative to travel for the same thing.
Covid has made it easier and more credible to tackle climate change.
I've come out of this ever more convinced there's little or nothing human ingenuity cannot resolve if it puts its mind to it. We have created a number of vaccines in barely a year and while it's too late for far too many, the hope for the majority for the future is there.
Applying innovation and ingenuity (and supporting it wherever possible) offers far and away the best prospect of mitigating the impacts of climate change. It's preferable to eco-authoritarianism in so many ways.
Indeed, I'd go further and say it's quite likely that in resolving the issues of climate change, technology and innovation will come up with ways not only of promoting sustainability but improving the lives of millions if not billions.
That's exactly what most Greens have been saying for decades while all you lot derided us as eco-loons, and Stone Age wannabes.
Wouldn't hurt if some of the people who opposed taking action in decades gone by would admit they were mistaken.
(This is not meant as a personal criticism of any individual on pb.com in particular)
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
We condemn the capitol because we see it as democracy under threat ad that is currently how we govern ourselves therefore we see it as good. We applaud Ceacescu because it was a dictatorship and we see it as bad because thats not how we do things.
I do wonder though whether we are at the nether end of the representative democratic age, societies seem to polarised now and whoever is elected about half the country feels unrepresented. Look at america with republicans and democrats, brexit with remainers and leavers, the Johnson government where people claiming 53% of people voted against it. Macron and LePen though being french they seem to be more of the mind they don't really care who gets voted in as long as they don't try and implement any of the manifesto they got voted in for.
Is that to say democracy is dead? No but I think representative democracy is perhaps on life support in many places
Democracy needs renewal in a participatory direction, probably a radically participatory one. It's worth defending and preserving, but its flaws at the moment, in countries like the US and Britain, aren't just social and economic, but representational too.
It doesn't have flaws, it is working as intended.
The Americans just got rid of Trump and the Brits avoided his left wing mirror image last year. Two wins for democracy.
Any alternative system a Trump gets into power and he stays in power. Trump is on his way out now thanks to democracy working as it is supposed to do so.
It is Boris not Corbyn who is the British Trump. Charismatic and well-known from media appearances; winning the votes of those who'd lost their manufacturing jobs as the price of globalisation; blaming foreigners in Europe or China and Mexico. Boris is Trump.
On topic. I would dispute the poll and suggest something has gone wrong with it.
For example how does it find any Democrats supporting what are effectively Nazi Militia, storming the Capitol? It can’t report finding some because there are none.
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
We condemn the capitol because we see it as democracy under threat ad that is currently how we govern ourselves therefore we see it as good. We applaud Ceacescu because it was a dictatorship and we see it as bad because thats not how we do things.
I do wonder though whether we are at the nether end of the representative democratic age, societies seem to polarised now and whoever is elected about half the country feels unrepresented. Look at america with republicans and democrats, brexit with remainers and leavers, the Johnson government where people claiming 53% of people voted against it. Macron and LePen though being french they seem to be more of the mind they don't really care who gets voted in as long as they don't try and implement any of the manifesto they got voted in for.
Is that to say democracy is dead? No but I think representative democracy is perhaps on life support in many places
Democracy needs renewal in a participatory direction, probably a radically participatory one. It's worth defending and preserving, but its flaws at the moment, in countries like the US and Britain, aren't just social and economic, but representational too.
It doesn't have flaws, it is working as intended.
The Americans just got rid of Trump and the Brits avoided his left wing mirror image last year. Two wins for democracy.
Any alternative system a Trump gets into power and he stays in power. Trump is on his way out now thanks to democracy working as it is supposed to do so.
It is Boris not Corbyn who is the British Trump. Charismatic and well-known from media appearances; winning the votes of those who'd lost their manufacturing jobs as the price of globalisation; blaming foreigners in Europe or China and Mexico. Boris is Trump.
No, Corbyn is Trump. Thankfully the Brits rejected him twice.
I have this crazy idea....why not just stop all travel, but for the absolute essential reasons (and that doesn't include making content for your Instagram account).
Or follow the model of China and Hong Kong and require people to sequester themselves in hotel rooms for two weeks upon arrival, with regular CV19 tests.
(Or if you want to be a little more generous, you could have
- negative PCR within 24 hours of flight - negative antigen before boarding - antigen test on arrival, if negative for everyone on flight, then five days quarantine in hotel with antigen test at end required before exit - and if someone on the flight tests positive, then a two week quarantine period.)
It is worth noting that Hawaii, which requires negative PCR tests before travelling to the islands, has managed to maintain very low levels of CV19 and has completely avoided a "second wave". So, even putting in the first of these would have a very positive effect.
In a sense Biden is going to have a breeze of a presidency. Every daily act of normality will be seen as restoring the calm governance of the republic.
On the other hand the future expects him to put in place constitutional changes that will stop someone with Trump's conditions every able to get near the Oval office again.
Do NOT think there is anyway to ensure that another Trumpsky - or something even worse - could win the presidency.
What we CAN do, is a better job > preventing suchlike, of any party and ideology, from winning nomination let alone election; > reverse the alienation of millions from the political system in general and politicos in particular
Until then, we're dependent on the old standby - that God watches over drunks, little children and the United States of America
On topic. I would dispute the poll and suggest something has gone wrong with it.
For example how does it find any Democrats supporting what are effectively Nazi Militia, storming the Capitol? It can’t report finding some because there are none.
There are quite a number of registered Democrats, who haven't bothered changing their official affiliation amongst the most fervent Trumpers. Very common in Appalachia especially. This is a result of Party shifts.
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
Only from the PB Trumptons.
Only on PB.
I have never posted anything pro trump I despise the guy and how you equate "I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms" and not saying anything positive in the least about it as being pro trump just reminds me of what a lefty idiot you are
Trumpton.
Typically sneery lefty labelling with no supporting evidence....here is my hand feel free to talk to it
Any supporting evidence that the US Election was stolen?
Did I ever claim there was?
My point was american politics is all about cash, politicians need business to finance their campaigns that is why it really doesn't matter which party you vote for in the states. The politicians are all owned by the big money from day one.
While we do have some of that problem in the uk and indeed in all democracies we dont have it to the same extent because we have limits on campaign spending and becoming pm doesnt rely on 100's of millions of dollars in donations. Look at Ajit Pai for an example of how politicians in the us pay back their donors
More money was spent on the Georgia run-off election than by all the parties in the UK on the 2019 GE. And I mean each candidate spent more than ALL the candidates for election and the parties as a whole spent in the UK.
Michelle Obama has released a statement in response to yesterday’s violence at the Capitol, blaming the events on Donald Trump’s actions since the presidential election.
“The day was the fulfillment of the wishes of an infantile and unpatriotic president who can’t handle the truth of his own failures,” the former first lady said.
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
We condemn the capitol because we see it as democracy under threat ad that is currently how we govern ourselves therefore we see it as good. We applaud Ceacescu because it was a dictatorship and we see it as bad because thats not how we do things.
I do wonder though whether we are at the nether end of the representative democratic age, societies seem to polarised now and whoever is elected about half the country feels unrepresented. Look at america with republicans and democrats, brexit with remainers and leavers, the Johnson government where people claiming 53% of people voted against it. Macron and LePen though being french they seem to be more of the mind they don't really care who gets voted in as long as they don't try and implement any of the manifesto they got voted in for.
Is that to say democracy is dead? No but I think representative democracy is perhaps on life support in many places
Democracy needs renewal in a participatory direction, probably a radically participatory one. It's worth defending and preserving, but its flaws at the moment, in countries like the US and Britain, aren't just social and economic, but representational too.
It doesn't have flaws, it is working as intended.
The Americans just got rid of Trump and the Brits avoided his left wing mirror image last year. Two wins for democracy.
Any alternative system a Trump gets into power and he stays in power. Trump is on his way out now thanks to democracy working as it is supposed to do so.
It is Boris not Corbyn who is the British Trump. Charismatic and well-known from media appearances; winning the votes of those who'd lost their manufacturing jobs as the price of globalisation; blaming foreigners in Europe or China and Mexico. Boris is Trump.
Good to see a handful of Brexiters finally concede it is economically damaging, albeit not worth worrying about because Covid.
Frustratingly, they (Alanbrooke, Leon) are also quite elderly and so unlikely to have to really experience the shitty mess they voted to deliver.
SeanT's kids will though
Who is this SeanT? I see him much talked about. He appears to loom large in your mind, like a kind of much younger, more virile, more handsome Trump, who is also f*cking your wife
LOL Leon. I guess you are the new SeanT.
This incarnation has all the manifold downsides of Sean without any of the upsides (of which, there were, admittedly, many).
‘Leon’ is a third-rare doom pornographer with zero sense of humour, and a boring, repetitive tone.
Time for a reboot - the other Seans were excellent on travel, London pubs, and wine.
But do rather like the whole stone-age sex-toy schtick.
For some reason, whenever I see "Leon" pop up on PB, immediately think of Leon Trotsky. Then Leon Redbone.
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
We condemn the capitol because we see it as democracy under threat ad that is currently how we govern ourselves therefore we see it as good. We applaud Ceacescu because it was a dictatorship and we see it as bad because thats not how we do things.
I do wonder though whether we are at the nether end of the representative democratic age, societies seem to polarised now and whoever is elected about half the country feels unrepresented. Look at america with republicans and democrats, brexit with remainers and leavers, the Johnson government where people claiming 53% of people voted against it. Macron and LePen though being french they seem to be more of the mind they don't really care who gets voted in as long as they don't try and implement any of the manifesto they got voted in for.
Is that to say democracy is dead? No but I think representative democracy is perhaps on life support in many places
Democracy needs renewal in a participatory direction, probably a radically participatory one. It's worth defending and preserving, but its flaws at the moment, in countries like the US and Britain, aren't just social and economic, but representational too.
It doesn't have flaws, it is working as intended.
The Americans just got rid of Trump and the Brits avoided his left wing mirror image last year. Two wins for democracy.
Any alternative system a Trump gets into power and he stays in power. Trump is on his way out now thanks to democracy working as it is supposed to do so.
It is Boris not Corbyn who is the British Trump. Charismatic and well-known from media appearances; winning the votes of those who'd lost their manufacturing jobs as the price of globalisation; blaming foreigners in Europe or China and Mexico. Boris is Trump.
No, Corbyn is Trump. Thankfully the Brits rejected him twice.
I have this crazy idea....why not just stop all travel, but for the absolute essential reasons (and that doesn't include making content for your Instagram account).
Or follow the model of China and Hong Kong and require people to sequester themselves in hotel rooms for two weeks upon arrival, with regular CV19 tests.
(Or if you want to be a little more generous, you could have
- negative PCR within 24 hours of flight - negative antigen before boarding - antigen test on arrival, if negative for everyone on flight, then five days quarantine in hotel with antigen test at end required before exit - and if someone on the flight tests positive, then a two week quarantine period.)
It is worth noting that Hawaii, which requires negative PCR tests before travelling to the islands, has managed to maintain very low levels of CV19 and has completely avoided a "second wave". So, even putting in the first of these would have a very positive effect.
This needs to happen. I feel there's a very strong desire to get transport, particularly international aviation, back to normal asap and onward with Heathrow 3rd runway, HS2, etc. Sadly, the world has changed. When the awareness that it has changed irreparably, and that this doesn't necessarily have to be feared, dawns on our Government, they will make better policy.
Good to see a handful of Brexiters finally concede it is economically damaging, albeit not worth worrying about because Covid.
Frustratingly, they (Alanbrooke, Leon) are also quite elderly and so unlikely to have to really experience the shitty mess they voted to deliver.
SeanT's kids will though
Who is this SeanT? I see him much talked about. He appears to loom large in your mind, like a kind of much younger, more virile, more handsome Trump, who is also f*cking your wife
LOL Leon. I guess you are the new SeanT.
This incarnation has all the manifold downsides of Sean without any of the upsides (of which, there were, admittedly, many).
‘Leon’ is a third-rare doom pornographer with zero sense of humour, and a boring, repetitive tone.
Time for a reboot - the other Seans were excellent on travel, London pubs, and wine.
But do rather like the whole stone-age sex-toy schtick.
For some reason, whenever I see "Leon" pop up on PB, immediately think of Leon Trotsky. Then Leon Redbone.
In a sense Biden is going to have a breeze of a presidency. Every daily act of normality will be seen as restoring the calm governance of the republic.
On the other hand the future expects him to put in place constitutional changes that will stop someone with Trump's conditions every able to get near the Oval office again.
Biden is putting together a dreary cabinet. The two appointees lined up for tomorrow are Waldorf and Statler. And that sums it up beautifully.
What is actually going to happen, this presidency will remind everyone exactly why they voted Trump in the first place and Boris in U.K. Lazy misadventures over seas, wokeism, socialism, but overall just no clear sense what they want to do in the world.
I have this crazy idea....why not just stop all travel, but for the absolute essential reasons (and that doesn't include making content for your Instagram account).
Well, yes. International travel should have been the first thing to be banned in March last year. For some bizarre reason they didn't do it. We still have flights arriving at Heathrow all the time.
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
Only from the PB Trumptons.
Only on PB.
I have never posted anything pro trump I despise the guy and how you equate "I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms" and not saying anything positive in the least about it as being pro trump just reminds me of what a lefty idiot you are
Trumpton.
Typically sneery lefty labelling with no supporting evidence....here is my hand feel free to talk to it
Any supporting evidence that the US Election was stolen?
Did I ever claim there was?
My point was american politics is all about cash, politicians need business to finance their campaigns that is why it really doesn't matter which party you vote for in the states. The politicians are all owned by the big money from day one.
While we do have some of that problem in the uk and indeed in all democracies we dont have it to the same extent because we have limits on campaign spending and becoming pm doesnt rely on 100's of millions of dollars in donations. Look at Ajit Pai for an example of how politicians in the us pay back their donors
More money was spent on the Georgia run-off election than by all the parties in the UK on the 2019 GE. And I mean each candidate spent more than ALL the candidates for election and the parties as a whole spent in the UK.
Nods and that money comes with the expectation of payback
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
We condemn the capitol because we see it as democracy under threat ad that is currently how we govern ourselves therefore we see it as good. We applaud Ceacescu because it was a dictatorship and we see it as bad because thats not how we do things.
I do wonder though whether we are at the nether end of the representative democratic age, societies seem to polarised now and whoever is elected about half the country feels unrepresented. Look at america with republicans and democrats, brexit with remainers and leavers, the Johnson government where people claiming 53% of people voted against it. Macron and LePen though being french they seem to be more of the mind they don't really care who gets voted in as long as they don't try and implement any of the manifesto they got voted in for.
Is that to say democracy is dead? No but I think representative democracy is perhaps on life support in many places
Democracy needs renewal in a participatory direction, probably a radically participatory one. It's worth defending and preserving, but its flaws at the moment, in countries like the US and Britain, aren't just social and economic, but representational too.
It doesn't have flaws, it is working as intended.
The Americans just got rid of Trump and the Brits avoided his left wing mirror image last year. Two wins for democracy.
Any alternative system a Trump gets into power and he stays in power. Trump is on his way out now thanks to democracy working as it is supposed to do so.
It is Boris not Corbyn who is the British Trump. Charismatic and well-known from media appearances; winning the votes of those who'd lost their manufacturing jobs as the price of globalisation; blaming foreigners in Europe or China and Mexico. Boris is Trump.
No, Corbyn is Trump. Thankfully the Brits rejected him twice.
No, Boris is Trump. In addition to the similarities previously noted, both men are intelligent and highly educated but intellectually lazy; both are notoriously careless with facts; they are thin-skinned and duck accountability.
On topic. I would dispute the poll and suggest something has gone wrong with it.
For example how does it find any Democrats supporting what are effectively Nazi Militia, storming the Capitol? It can’t report finding some because there are none.
There are quite a number of registered Democrats, who haven't bothered changing their official affiliation amongst the most fervent Trumpers. Very common in Appalachia especially. This is a result of Party shifts.
I thought the GOP had spent a large part of the last 4 hours trying to identify and re-register this type of voter
In a sense Biden is going to have a breeze of a presidency. Every daily act of normality will be seen as restoring the calm governance of the republic.
On the other hand the future expects him to put in place constitutional changes that will stop someone with Trump's conditions every able to get near the Oval office again.
Biden is putting together a dreary cabinet. The two appointees lined up for tomorrow are Waldorf and Statler. And that sums it up beautifully.
What is actually going to happen, this presidency will remind everyone exactly why they voted Trump in the first place and Boris in U.K. Lazy misadventures over seas, wokeism, socialism, but overall just no clear sense what they want to do in the world.
I don't see how it is compatible that it will be both a dreary cabinet and one full of wokeism and socialism, since those are not known brands of Biden's dreary approach.
To be fair to the Chinese, I can well believe that emancipation from conservative Islam would be genuinely liberating for many women.
Denying this is futile.
I seem to remember your previous incarnation used to show support for emancipation from conservative Islam by claiming he hissed at woman wearing burqas.
Good to see a handful of Brexiters finally concede it is economically damaging, albeit not worth worrying about because Covid.
Frustratingly, they (Alanbrooke, Leon) are also quite elderly and so unlikely to have to really experience the shitty mess they voted to deliver.
SeanT's kids will though
Who is this SeanT? I see him much talked about. He appears to loom large in your mind, like a kind of much younger, more virile, more handsome Trump, who is also f*cking your wife
LOL Leon. I guess you are the new SeanT.
This incarnation has all the manifold downsides of Sean without any of the upsides (of which, there were, admittedly, many).
‘Leon’ is a third-rare doom pornographer with zero sense of humour, and a boring, repetitive tone.
Time for a reboot - the other Seans were excellent on travel, London pubs, and wine.
But do rather like the whole stone-age sex-toy schtick.
For some reason, whenever I see "Leon" pop up on PB, immediately think of Leon Trotsky. Then Leon Redbone.
On topic. I would dispute the poll and suggest something has gone wrong with it.
For example how does it find any Democrats supporting what are effectively Nazi Militia, storming the Capitol? It can’t report finding some because there are none.
There are quite a number of registered Democrats, who haven't bothered changing their official affiliation amongst the most fervent Trumpers. Very common in Appalachia especially. This is a result of Party shifts.
Partially.
It is also a result of age-shifting and inertia. Many people first register to vote when they're young then don't change their registration as they grow up.
Imagine someone in this country registering to vote in 1994 as they've just turned 18 and are asked to register a political party with their registration - they would have odds-on put down Labour as their party. Fast forward 25 years to 2019, now 43 that same voter would be more likely to have voted Tory than Labour (the crossover age being 39 in 2019).
I have this crazy idea....why not just stop all travel, but for the absolute essential reasons (and that doesn't include making content for your Instagram account).
Well, yes. International travel should have been the first thing to be banned in March last year. For some bizarre reason they didn't do it. We still have flights arriving at Heathrow all the time.
Well, no, it should have been banned in February. By March it was too late.
In a sense Biden is going to have a breeze of a presidency. Every daily act of normality will be seen as restoring the calm governance of the republic.
On the other hand the future expects him to put in place constitutional changes that will stop someone with Trump's conditions every able to get near the Oval office again.
Do NOT think there is anyway to ensure that another Trumpsky - or something even worse - could win the presidency.
What we CAN do, is a better job > preventing suchlike, of any party and ideology, from winning nomination let alone election; > reverse the alienation of millions from the political system in general and politicos in particular
Until then, we're dependent on the old standby - that God watches over drunks, little children and the United States of America
That latter of those two points is the only way in which I think the liberal elites bear any responsibility for the creation of Trump and the aftermath.
As a society - not just GOP or Dem - we need to address that issue. But it is only one of many. I cannot see that issue being more important than, say, the social issues that have given rise to BLM.
Overall, we need to create a fairer and more inclusive society.
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
We condemn the capitol because we see it as democracy under threat ad that is currently how we govern ourselves therefore we see it as good. We applaud Ceacescu because it was a dictatorship and we see it as bad because thats not how we do things.
I do wonder though whether we are at the nether end of the representative democratic age, societies seem to polarised now and whoever is elected about half the country feels unrepresented. Look at america with republicans and democrats, brexit with remainers and leavers, the Johnson government where people claiming 53% of people voted against it. Macron and LePen though being french they seem to be more of the mind they don't really care who gets voted in as long as they don't try and implement any of the manifesto they got voted in for.
Is that to say democracy is dead? No but I think representative democracy is perhaps on life support in many places
Democracy needs renewal in a participatory direction, probably a radically participatory one. It's worth defending and preserving, but its flaws at the moment, in countries like the US and Britain, aren't just social and economic, but representational too.
It doesn't have flaws, it is working as intended.
The Americans just got rid of Trump and the Brits avoided his left wing mirror image last year. Two wins for democracy.
Any alternative system a Trump gets into power and he stays in power. Trump is on his way out now thanks to democracy working as it is supposed to do so.
It is Boris not Corbyn who is the British Trump. Charismatic and well-known from media appearances; winning the votes of those who'd lost their manufacturing jobs as the price of globalisation; blaming foreigners in Europe or China and Mexico. Boris is Trump.
This is just total shite. Sorry
In one sentence I listed three parallels, each politically relevant, between Boris and Trump which you do not attempt to refute. Others are added in a separate post. I can only assume you feel some sort of affinity with Boris as a fellow thriller writer.
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
Only from the PB Trumptons.
Only on PB.
I have never posted anything pro trump I despise the guy and how you equate "I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms" and not saying anything positive in the least about it as being pro trump just reminds me of what a lefty idiot you are
Trumpton.
Typically sneery lefty labelling with no supporting evidence....here is my hand feel free to talk to it
Any supporting evidence that the US Election was stolen?
Did I ever claim there was?
My point was american politics is all about cash, politicians need business to finance their campaigns that is why it really doesn't matter which party you vote for in the states. The politicians are all owned by the big money from day one.
While we do have some of that problem in the uk and indeed in all democracies we dont have it to the same extent because we have limits on campaign spending and becoming pm doesnt rely on 100's of millions of dollars in donations. Look at Ajit Pai for an example of how politicians in the us pay back their donors
More money was spent on the Georgia run-off election than by all the parties in the UK on the 2019 GE. And I mean each candidate spent more than ALL the candidates for election and the parties as a whole spent in the UK.
Nods and that money comes with the expectation of payback
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
We condemn the capitol because we see it as democracy under threat ad that is currently how we govern ourselves therefore we see it as good. We applaud Ceacescu because it was a dictatorship and we see it as bad because thats not how we do things.
I do wonder though whether we are at the nether end of the representative democratic age, societies seem to polarised now and whoever is elected about half the country feels unrepresented. Look at america with republicans and democrats, brexit with remainers and leavers, the Johnson government where people claiming 53% of people voted against it. Macron and LePen though being french they seem to be more of the mind they don't really care who gets voted in as long as they don't try and implement any of the manifesto they got voted in for.
Is that to say democracy is dead? No but I think representative democracy is perhaps on life support in many places
Democracy needs renewal in a participatory direction, probably a radically participatory one. It's worth defending and preserving, but its flaws at the moment, in countries like the US and Britain, aren't just social and economic, but representational too.
It doesn't have flaws, it is working as intended.
The Americans just got rid of Trump and the Brits avoided his left wing mirror image last year. Two wins for democracy.
Any alternative system a Trump gets into power and he stays in power. Trump is on his way out now thanks to democracy working as it is supposed to do so.
It is Boris not Corbyn who is the British Trump. Charismatic and well-known from media appearances; winning the votes of those who'd lost their manufacturing jobs as the price of globalisation; blaming foreigners in Europe or China and Mexico. Boris is Trump.
No, Corbyn is Trump. Thankfully the Brits rejected him twice.
No, Boris is Trump. In addition to the similarities previously noted, both men are intelligent and highly educated but intellectually lazy; both are notoriously careless with facts; they are thin-skinned and duck accountability.
It's not a perfect comparison either way, which is why people need to stop working so hard to make it seem like there are exact equivalents.
Neither Boris nor Corbyn are Trump. They share some commonalities of course. Almost any 2 humans, let alone politicians, do. The whole thing is ridiculous.
Good to see a handful of Brexiters finally concede it is economically damaging, albeit not worth worrying about because Covid.
Frustratingly, they (Alanbrooke, Leon) are also quite elderly and so unlikely to have to really experience the shitty mess they voted to deliver.
SeanT's kids will though
Who is this SeanT? I see him much talked about. He appears to loom large in your mind, like a kind of much younger, more virile, more handsome Trump, who is also f*cking your wife
LOL Leon. I guess you are the new SeanT.
This incarnation has all the manifold downsides of Sean without any of the upsides (of which, there were, admittedly, many).
‘Leon’ is a third-rare doom pornographer with zero sense of humour, and a boring, repetitive tone.
Time for a reboot - the other Seans were excellent on travel, London pubs, and wine.
He sounds quite the character. Charming, charismatic, and full of good stories.
All I know, from my private interaction with the moderators, is that he actively cuckolded about half a dozen regular commenters, and was thence driven from the site.
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
Only from the PB Trumptons.
Only on PB.
I have never posted anything pro trump I despise the guy and how you equate "I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms" and not saying anything positive in the least about it as being pro trump just reminds me of what a lefty idiot you are
Trumpton.
Typically sneery lefty labelling with no supporting evidence....here is my hand feel free to talk to it
Any supporting evidence that the US Election was stolen?
Did I ever claim there was?
My point was american politics is all about cash, politicians need business to finance their campaigns that is why it really doesn't matter which party you vote for in the states. The politicians are all owned by the big money from day one.
While we do have some of that problem in the uk and indeed in all democracies we dont have it to the same extent because we have limits on campaign spending and becoming pm doesnt rely on 100's of millions of dollars in donations. Look at Ajit Pai for an example of how politicians in the us pay back their donors
You do have a point. Was already a problem BEFORE the infamous SCOTUS "money is speech" ruling.
It is wrong to make a one-to-one correspondence between money contributed and preferment expected. There ARE those in elected office and public life who do NOT think like that. OR if they do, are not "trousering the money" as the say in Ireland, or otherwise expecting specific favors for cash on the barrelhead (or over the transom).
BUT enough of that to say that it is TOO much.
Perhaps the only half-way good thing to say, is that money-wise the playing field is WAY more even than it used to be re: Democrats versus Republicans. This is due to Democratic gains with groups that used to lean heavily Republican, such as upper-income suburbanites.
In a sense Biden is going to have a breeze of a presidency. Every daily act of normality will be seen as restoring the calm governance of the republic.
On the other hand the future expects him to put in place constitutional changes that will stop someone with Trump's conditions every able to get near the Oval office again.
Do NOT think there is anyway to ensure that another Trumpsky - or something even worse - could win the presidency.
What we CAN do, is a better job > preventing suchlike, of any party and ideology, from winning nomination let alone election; > reverse the alienation of millions from the political system in general and politicos in particular
Until then, we're dependent on the old standby - that God watches over drunks, little children and the United States of America
I think you're missing the point somewhat - the US electoral system does a *fantastic* job of preventing undesirables from becoming Presidential nominees. Their campaigns run out of big corporate money, and so eventually you end up with big corporate candidate 1, and big corporate candidate 2. Someone as nutty, egotistical, bloody-minded, and filthy rich as Trump was the *only* way that an 'outsider' could storm that citadel, and in a million to one shot, it happened.
Trying to introduce even more ways to stop populist candidates getting in is the opposite of what now ought to happen, and I don't see how you can reconcile it with point B - it is more likely to alienate even more people.
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
We condemn the capitol because we see it as democracy under threat ad that is currently how we govern ourselves therefore we see it as good. We applaud Ceacescu because it was a dictatorship and we see it as bad because thats not how we do things.
I do wonder though whether we are at the nether end of the representative democratic age, societies seem to polarised now and whoever is elected about half the country feels unrepresented. Look at america with republicans and democrats, brexit with remainers and leavers, the Johnson government where people claiming 53% of people voted against it. Macron and LePen though being french they seem to be more of the mind they don't really care who gets voted in as long as they don't try and implement any of the manifesto they got voted in for.
Is that to say democracy is dead? No but I think representative democracy is perhaps on life support in many places
Democracy needs renewal in a participatory direction, probably a radically participatory one. It's worth defending and preserving, but its flaws at the moment, in countries like the US and Britain, aren't just social and economic, but representational too.
It doesn't have flaws, it is working as intended.
The Americans just got rid of Trump and the Brits avoided his left wing mirror image last year. Two wins for democracy.
Any alternative system a Trump gets into power and he stays in power. Trump is on his way out now thanks to democracy working as it is supposed to do so.
It is Boris not Corbyn who is the British Trump. Charismatic and well-known from media appearances; winning the votes of those who'd lost their manufacturing jobs as the price of globalisation; blaming foreigners in Europe or China and Mexico. Boris is Trump.
No, Corbyn is Trump. Thankfully the Brits rejected him twice.
No, Boris is Trump. In addition to the similarities previously noted, both men are intelligent and highly educated but intellectually lazy; both are notoriously careless with facts; they are thin-skinned and duck accountability.
I hold Boris and Corbyn in very low regard, but if you take the worst halves of them combined, Trump is still in a completely different league of contempt. They both have some clear similarities with him, but also some clear differences.
I think you need the imperative скопировай и встави
The infinitive can serve as a peremptory imperative in Russian, so it just depends how rude one was being. Perhaps keep the infinitives and make them dependent on надо.
In a sense Biden is going to have a breeze of a presidency. Every daily act of normality will be seen as restoring the calm governance of the republic.
On the other hand the future expects him to put in place constitutional changes that will stop someone with Trump's conditions every able to get near the Oval office again.
Do NOT think there is anyway to ensure that another Trumpsky - or something even worse - could win the presidency.
What we CAN do, is a better job > preventing suchlike, of any party and ideology, from winning nomination let alone election; > reverse the alienation of millions from the political system in general and politicos in particular
Until then, we're dependent on the old standby - that God watches over drunks, little children and the United States of America
I think you're missing the point somewhat - the US electoral system does a *fantastic* job of preventing undesirables from becoming Presidential nominees. Their campaigns run out of big corporate money, and so eventually you end up with big corporate candidate 1, and big corporate candidate 2. Someone as nutty, egotistical, bloody-minded, and filthy rich as Trump was the *only* way that an 'outsider' could storm that citadel, and in a million to one shot, it happened.
Trying to introduce even more ways to stop populist candidates getting in is the opposite of what now ought to happen, and I don't see how you can reconcile it with point B - it is more likely to alienate even more people.
Except that Trumpsky did NOT finance his own campaign. For one reason, he is NOT filthy rich. Just filthy.
Indeed, he turned campaigning into a four-year profit center.
As for storming the citadel, Sanders made a pretty decent run of it, fueled by small donors.
As for "preventing suchlike" I do NOT mean stopping all populists, not hardly. BUT do draw the line at a) commies; and b) fascists, of which Trumpsky is clearly one.
While I condemn utterly the storming of the capitol in no uncertain terms I can't help thinking a lot here are wiffling when they huff and puff about it interrupting legal things.
All revolutions by their nature are illegal. Even the one that toppled Ceacescau and I think most would be applauding that one.
We condemn the capitol because we see it as democracy under threat ad that is currently how we govern ourselves therefore we see it as good. We applaud Ceacescu because it was a dictatorship and we see it as bad because thats not how we do things.
I do wonder though whether we are at the nether end of the representative democratic age, societies seem to polarised now and whoever is elected about half the country feels unrepresented. Look at america with republicans and democrats, brexit with remainers and leavers, the Johnson government where people claiming 53% of people voted against it. Macron and LePen though being french they seem to be more of the mind they don't really care who gets voted in as long as they don't try and implement any of the manifesto they got voted in for.
Is that to say democracy is dead? No but I think representative democracy is perhaps on life support in many places
Democracy needs renewal in a participatory direction, probably a radically participatory one. It's worth defending and preserving, but its flaws at the moment, in countries like the US and Britain, aren't just social and economic, but representational too.
It doesn't have flaws, it is working as intended.
The Americans just got rid of Trump and the Brits avoided his left wing mirror image last year. Two wins for democracy.
Any alternative system a Trump gets into power and he stays in power. Trump is on his way out now thanks to democracy working as it is supposed to do so.
It is Boris not Corbyn who is the British Trump. Charismatic and well-known from media appearances; winning the votes of those who'd lost their manufacturing jobs as the price of globalisation; blaming foreigners in Europe or China and Mexico. Boris is Trump.
No, Corbyn is Trump. Thankfully the Brits rejected him twice.
No, Boris is Trump. In addition to the similarities previously noted, both men are intelligent and highly educated but intellectually lazy; both are notoriously careless with facts; they are thin-skinned and duck accountability.
Given how difficult it is to 25th Trump, and how difficult it was to get rid, despite 73 percent of his MPs voting they had no confidence in the intellectually lazy, careless with facts, thin skinned, ducker of accountability Corbyn, who, as an aside, turned the Labour Party into an institutionally racist endeavour, I'm comfortable with the comparison.
I think you need the imperative скопировай и встави
The infinitive can serve as a peremptory imperative in Russian, so it just depends how rude one was being. Perhaps keep the infinitives and make them dependent on надо.
Should THIS exchange be moderated? Or "модерируется" IF you prefer?
Whoa. Did Boris Johnson actually just condemn Donald Trump for subverting democracy?
He did. Shocked he was so candid, but it was needed.
I think he broke my jaw. There was a sharp pain as it hit the floor.
You’re right he needed to, but I never thought he’d do it.
Trump is a nobody now. A dangerous nobody, but a nobody. I think he knows perfectly well how people only respected him because he was the President, but will still be shocked when people start condemning him. People who disliked him still having to kiss his arse seems like the primary perk of the job for a man like him.
Dangerously naive. The polling above seems like the perfect recipe for a civil war, to me. Many MILLIONS of Americans - generally white, highly armed - agree with the attempted storming of the Capitol
Millions of Brits supported the riots that led to the defacing of the Cenotaph.
Civil wars usually require (a) an actual attack on the rights of a minority of the populations, and (b) a charismatic an organised leader.
I don't think we're there yet in the US, although that might change.
One of the biggest challenges the West has over the next 50 years IMHO is moving peacefully to societies where Whites are no longer the majority.
Professor Eric Kaufman has written convincingly about this in his book Whiteshift.
Basically, right now many Whites feel threatened by that - and we're in a transition period where we have a large minority of minorities but still a clear white majority - but with little mixing.
We will get to a majority mixed race population by 2100, with whites at c.10-15% only of the population, and the key there is for that population to successfully inherit the cultural and political traditions of the national story *notwithstanding* its racial heritage.
This is a very delicate subject but it's one we don't talk enough about.
Genuine question: what exactly is there to discuss?
In a sense Biden is going to have a breeze of a presidency. Every daily act of normality will be seen as restoring the calm governance of the republic.
On the other hand the future expects him to put in place constitutional changes that will stop someone with Trump's conditions every able to get near the Oval office again.
Biden is putting together a dreary cabinet. The two appointees lined up for tomorrow are Waldorf and Statler. And that sums it up beautifully.
What is actually going to happen, this presidency will remind everyone exactly why they voted Trump in the first place and Boris in U.K. Lazy misadventures over seas, wokeism, socialism, but overall just no clear sense what they want to do in the world.
Biden is very far from a socialist, much as I wish he was as a useful corrective in the American context after 40 years, and he's pursued a moderate stance on ethno-cultural issues. On economic issues, he's probably to the right of Merkel.
Say what you like about the Met but in the aftermath of a terrorist incident, they do lift everyone on their Wishlist, just to be on the safe side.
In London, the spiritual leader of the terrorists cant award them a get out of jail free card for the next two weeks. If I was the prosecutor I would do only a fraction of the arrests now and keep a decent batch under investigation so they dont get pardoned.
In a sense Biden is going to have a breeze of a presidency. Every daily act of normality will be seen as restoring the calm governance of the republic.
On the other hand the future expects him to put in place constitutional changes that will stop someone with Trump's conditions every able to get near the Oval office again.
Do NOT think there is anyway to ensure that another Trumpsky - or something even worse - could win the presidency.
What we CAN do, is a better job > preventing suchlike, of any party and ideology, from winning nomination let alone election; > reverse the alienation of millions from the political system in general and politicos in particular
Until then, we're dependent on the old standby - that God watches over drunks, little children and the United States of America
I think you're missing the point somewhat - the US electoral system does a *fantastic* job of preventing undesirables from becoming Presidential nominees. Their campaigns run out of big corporate money, and so eventually you end up with big corporate candidate 1, and big corporate candidate 2. Someone as nutty, egotistical, bloody-minded, and filthy rich as Trump was the *only* way that an 'outsider' could storm that citadel, and in a million to one shot, it happened.
Trying to introduce even more ways to stop populist candidates getting in is the opposite of what now ought to happen, and I don't see how you can reconcile it with point B - it is more likely to alienate even more people.
politics in the sates is money driven, the place is in hock to corporations and cant find a way out.
I have this crazy idea....why not just stop all travel, but for the absolute essential reasons (and that doesn't include making content for your Instagram account).
Or follow the model of China and Hong Kong and require people to sequester themselves in hotel rooms for two weeks upon arrival, with regular CV19 tests.
(Or if you want to be a little more generous, you could have
- negative PCR within 24 hours of flight - negative antigen before boarding - antigen test on arrival, if negative for everyone on flight, then five days quarantine in hotel with antigen test at end required before exit - and if someone on the flight tests positive, then a two week quarantine period.)
It is worth noting that Hawaii, which requires negative PCR tests before travelling to the islands, has managed to maintain very low levels of CV19 and has completely avoided a "second wave". So, even putting in the first of these would have a very positive effect.
This needs to happen. I feel there's a very strong desire to get transport, particularly international aviation, back to normal asap and onward with Heathrow 3rd runway, HS2, etc. Sadly, the world has changed. When the awareness that it has changed irreparably, and that this doesn't necessarily have to be feared, dawns on our Government, they will make better policy.
Until we've vaccinated half the adult population, then I think we should be really proactive - not just the PCR before flying, everyone should be antigen tested upon arrival. Assuming no positives, then 48 hours in an airport hotel won't kill you (except of boredom), and a negative PCR and you're on your way.
Once vaccine are more widely distributed, we can loosen this up.
Speaking of populists, my favorite has always been Mary Ann Lease, who (supposedly) told the farmers of Kansas back in the 1880s, to "raise less corn and more hell".
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You need to log off and cool off.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1347287643776667648?s=20
Two were for Rossi, the Republican, one for the Libertarian candidate, and zero for Gregoire, the Democrat and eventual winner.
Indeed, analysis of the felons who DID vote in that election, indicated that they favored the Republican.
https://twitter.com/thomaskaplan/status/1347288801350135822?s=20
I'm never physical (far too strong even now), but crafty verbal ripostes work assuming a degree of intelligence. Unfortunately, the best rejoinders usually come to me too late.
Is there a book in this?
I mentioned this at a Climate Camp in an "even Thatcher realised this was a problem decades ago" sort of way, when the group of us were trying to rally our spirits before protecting the Camp vegetables from confiscation by riot police, and it became clear that I'd misjudged my audience.
ABC news
""When they broke the glass in the back, the (police) lieutenant that was there, him and I already had multiple conversations prior to this, and he didn't have a choice at that time," Mullin said. "The mob was going to come through the door, there was a lot of members and staff that were in danger at the time. And when he [drew] his weapon, that's a decision that's very hard for anyone to make and, once you draw your weapon like that, you have to defend yourself with deadly force.""
Sorry if that doesn't help your increasingly desperate attempts to excuse Trump and his alt-right supporters.
‘Leon’ is a third-rare doom pornographer with zero sense of humour, and a boring, repetitive tone.
Time for a reboot - the other Seans were excellent on travel, London pubs, and wine.
Like most things in politics, there's a clip for it in either Yes, Minister or the West Wing - here West Wing puts it best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMQqz6IPado
On the other hand the future expects him to put in place constitutional changes that will stop someone with Trump's conditions every able to get near the Oval office again.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13682002/britain-biggest-firms-jabs-army-vaccine-volunteers/
While we do have some of that problem in the uk and indeed in all democracies we dont have it to the same extent because we have limits on campaign spending and becoming pm doesnt rely on 100's of millions of dollars in donations. Look at Ajit Pai for an example of how politicians in the us pay back their donors
Commonsense from the White House is going be a wonderful novelty.
Wouldn't hurt if some of the people who opposed taking action in decades gone by would admit they were mistaken.
(This is not meant as a personal criticism of any individual on pb.com in particular)
Figures.
For example how does it find any Democrats supporting what are effectively Nazi Militia, storming the Capitol? It can’t report finding some because there are none.
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/04/04/the-british-trump-the-similarities-between-the-president-and-the-leader-of-the-opposition/
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(Or if you want to be a little more generous, you could have
- negative PCR within 24 hours of flight
- negative antigen before boarding
- antigen test on arrival, if negative for everyone on flight, then five days quarantine in hotel with antigen test at end required before exit
- and if someone on the flight tests positive, then a two week quarantine period.)
It is worth noting that Hawaii, which requires negative PCR tests before travelling to the islands, has managed to maintain very low levels of CV19 and has completely avoided a "second wave". So, even putting in the first of these would have a very positive effect.
What we CAN do, is a better job
> preventing suchlike, of any party and ideology, from winning nomination let alone election;
> reverse the alienation of millions from the political system in general and politicos in particular
Until then, we're dependent on the old standby - that God watches over drunks, little children and the United States of America
Very common in Appalachia especially.
This is a result of Party shifts.
“The day was the fulfillment of the wishes of an infantile and unpatriotic president who can’t handle the truth of his own failures,” the former first lady said.
For some reason, whenever I see "Leon" pop up on PB, immediately think of Leon Trotsky. Then Leon Redbone.
What is actually going to happen, this presidency will remind everyone exactly why they voted Trump in the first place and Boris in U.K. Lazy misadventures over seas, wokeism, socialism, but overall just no clear sense what they want to do in the world.
BUT folks
I have been over the moon with the Georgia result.
I'm waiting for the first Congressman to accept the crisis actor theory.
https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1347294505951760385?s=20
It is also a result of age-shifting and inertia. Many people first register to vote when they're young then don't change their registration as they grow up.
Imagine someone in this country registering to vote in 1994 as they've just turned 18 and are asked to register a political party with their registration - they would have odds-on put down Labour as their party. Fast forward 25 years to 2019, now 43 that same voter would be more likely to have voted Tory than Labour (the crossover age being 39 in 2019).
As a society - not just GOP or Dem - we need to address that issue. But it is only one of many. I cannot see that issue being more important than, say, the social issues that have given rise to BLM.
Overall, we need to create a fairer and more inclusive society.
https://www.scotsman.com/read-this/new-bbc-chairman-richard-sharp-has-donated-ps400k-conservative-party-2001-3088420
The whole thing is ridiculous.
All I know, from my private interaction with the moderators, is that he actively cuckolded about half a dozen regular commenters, and was thence driven from the site.
It is wrong to make a one-to-one correspondence between money contributed and preferment expected. There ARE those in elected office and public life who do NOT think like that. OR if they do, are not "trousering the money" as the say in Ireland, or otherwise expecting specific favors for cash on the barrelhead (or over the transom).
BUT enough of that to say that it is TOO much.
Perhaps the only half-way good thing to say, is that money-wise the playing field is WAY more even than it used to be re: Democrats versus Republicans. This is due to Democratic gains with groups that used to lean heavily Republican, such as upper-income suburbanites.
Trying to introduce even more ways to stop populist candidates getting in is the opposite of what now ought to happen, and I don't see how you can reconcile it with point B - it is more likely to alienate even more people.
Indeed, he turned campaigning into a four-year profit center.
As for storming the citadel, Sanders made a pretty decent run of it, fueled by small donors.
As for "preventing suchlike" I do NOT mean stopping all populists, not hardly. BUT do draw the line at a) commies; and b) fascists, of which Trumpsky is clearly one.
Once vaccine are more widely distributed, we can loosen this up.