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  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    One elderly relative had jab on Thursday, seems to have cheered her up since this time last week. Not sure how another elderly relative with compromised eyesight and hearing will be informed that a jab is ready.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,706
    edited December 2020

    Well, that press conference merits a one-word summary, to quote the PM. Alas.

    I have this feeling the press conference was arranged to announce a deal with the French about the hold up at Dover but I think Macron wasn't going to be bounced into anything.
    The French are going to wait just long enough that the time it takes for the truckers to get the covid test results it perfectly matches up with the stated 48 hour border closure. Is my totally off the top of my head theory.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,355
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    even Cornwall!
    Fuck off

    (only kidding)

    I'm in remote Cornwall and I'd quite like not to have Tier 4 down here. Ta.
    Make the most of it - Boris will change you to Tier 4 soon
    Good for Starmer. I could almost vote for him.

    https://twitter.com/keir_starmer/status/1341061004415922178?s=21

    No indyref2 til 2024, and likely no indyref2 even after that, even under Labour. A generation = a generation

    This could split the SNP. The hardcore will demand UDI
    While I'm heartened and stirred by his words, and think a Labour recovery is pretty important if the Union is to have a chance in Scotland, I find it hard to see how the parties will sustain opposition once the SNP romp home in the spring, particularly when the various unionist parties seem like they cannot bear to cooperate even if only on this one issue. If it is not even close, and the winners are unequivocal about what they want, denial just seems so hard.

    Hoping the SNP split over UDI backers and patient referendum backers, well, it just seems wistful to me. I'd love it to happen, but is it really likely?
    Yes, it’s likely. Westminster has hardened against indyref2. From left to right. What can the SNP do? Go to court.. where they will lose. And then?

    That’s when they might split, quite easily. See how the Nats on here already divide between Sturgeon-admirers, and those who openly detest her.
    You started early today, some proper mince in that posting.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,752
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That’s when they might split, quite easily. See how the Nats on here already divide between Sturgeon-admirers, and those who openly detest her.

    I'm surprised this seems to be flying under the radar so far. The sheer amount of vitriol being exchanged beteen the various nat factions is extordinary, the comments sectons on some nat blogs are like war zones. Sturgeon is public enemny number one with a good chunk of indy activists, who seem to regard her as some kind of unionist secret agent.
    Brexit and covid are battlefield smoke. Disguising the bitter Nat skirmishing.

    It will reveal itself in the end, because it is so vicious. It’s not just the call-UDI stuff, it’s internecine fighting over the Salmond trial, and much else. It is also inevitable in what is, at present, basically a one party state. When there is no actual opposition, political warring is internalised within the solitary governing party. Human nature.

    It is deeply unhealthy for Scotland and when indyref2 is denied I hope they come out and have their stramash in public. It will be cleansing for them
    "One party state"?! It's a minority government with plenty of coalitions, often including or controlled by other parties, at local government level. Never mind UK level.
    Well. that's true enough. But it takes a brave man or woman these days to fly the flag for the Union, given the propensity of the Tartan-clad myrmidons to fall upon them, and the constant accompanying drumbeat from ScotGov demonising everything UK. Some of us can remember when it felt quite normal living in Scotland.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Nigelb said:
    Congressman for Santa Monica and Malibu calls for Trump to be investigated...who would have thought...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,355
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    Really? I was some years back on a holiday in Kent - inter aliis looked at a NT cottage in the Werald, stayed overnight in Maidstone and drove to Chatham for the nautical archaeology and Rochester Castle. I was struck by the disparities in wealth and income as we went throiugh it - Jessica's Pony's field alternating with grim proletarian pockets.
    The UK is somewhat unusual in not hard-zoning it's poverty. The proles are showed out of the nice old stone parts of the villages, into the super grim council estate around the corner.

    Compare with France, where the districts are close to being a different country. Even outside the big cities, the poverty seems to be segregated and carefully tucked away.
    I believe this is a good thing. Don’t you?

    In Britain we are all mixed up. Council estates right by million pound mansions. We share the country. We walk the same pavements and play in the same parks.

    France is insane, the way it carefully sequesters the poor.

    Everyone knows this happens in Paris - the suburbs are the places of banishment - but it happens everywhere. Lyon is a great example. I went there 2 years ago and thought wow, what a beautiful rich old city, France is so lucky, everyone is middle class and all the women have Hermes scarves.

    Total crap of course. The other day I met a young woman who taught in Lyon. She commuted OUT from the bourgeois city centre to the multi cultural distant suburbs, she told me the poverty is dire.

    But tourists never see it. Because it is banished from sight. See Roger’s comment earlier today about Paris being a ‘beautiful small walkable capital city’. He is just oblivious to the 80% of Paris outside le peripherique
    Deluded does not begin to explain that rubbish. Only place you see any of that is in the dump called London which is as bad as any major city.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,444

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like we're coming up to 1% of the nation who've had the first part of Pfizer.

    Better than a kick in the teeth.

    The rollout's been impressive so far. I thought being first to approve it might have been meaningless in practice but we do seem to be making decent progress.
    UK testing is now quite impressive, as well. We’re doing 400,000+ tests A DAY. In a few weeks we will have tested the equivalent of the entire UK population

    We have screwed up many things. But not everything
    25 weeks is a few weeks?
    Tests already done. Derrrrrr
    You need to work on your writing skills, you need to be clearer in what you write and avoid ambiguity.
    Mate, I literally go down pits, mine flints, then knap them into sex toys for a living. I don’t have time to hone my prose to the same extent. Jeez
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,355

    Leon said:

    That’s when they might split, quite easily. See how the Nats on here already divide between Sturgeon-admirers, and those who openly detest her.

    I'm surprised this seems to be flying under the radar so far. The sheer amount of vitriol being exchanged beteen the various nat factions is extordinary, the comments sectons on some nat blogs are like war zones. Sturgeon is public enemny number one with a good chunk of indy activists, who seem to regard her as some kind of unionist secret agent.
    Neither Eck or Nippy has given evidence to the inquiry yet. Even Murrell managed to contradict his wife, so will be interesting to see what her former best mate does.

    The SNP have been almost supernaturally fortunate in how Covid has wiped all this stuff off the headlines. Even the drugs death disaster was overtaken by SuperCovid. Quite extraordinary.
    Sturgeon is not the SNP and both are not Independence. Landslide coming up.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like we're coming up to 1% of the nation who've had the first part of Pfizer.

    Better than a kick in the teeth.

    The rollout's been impressive so far. I thought being first to approve it might have been meaningless in practice but we do seem to be making decent progress.
    UK testing is now quite impressive, as well. We’re doing 400,000+ tests A DAY. In a few weeks we will have tested the equivalent of the entire UK population

    We have screwed up many things. But not everything
    25 weeks is a few weeks?
    Tests already done. Derrrrrr
    You need to work on your writing skills, you need to be clearer in what you write and avoid ambiguity.
    Mate, I literally go down pits, mine flints, then knap them into sex toys for a living. I don’t have time to hone my prose to the same extent. Jeez
    Writing sounds by far the easier of your routes to the pits TBH.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,355

    Leon said:

    That’s when they might split, quite easily. See how the Nats on here already divide between Sturgeon-admirers, and those who openly detest her.

    I'm surprised this seems to be flying under the radar so far. The sheer amount of vitriol being exchanged beteen the various nat factions is extordinary, the comments sectons on some nat blogs are like war zones. Sturgeon is public enemny number one with a good chunk of indy activists, who seem to regard her as some kind of unionist secret agent.
    Rocks are being turned over a lot today, back where you came from troll.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,883

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That’s when they might split, quite easily. See how the Nats on here already divide between Sturgeon-admirers, and those who openly detest her.

    I'm surprised this seems to be flying under the radar so far. The sheer amount of vitriol being exchanged beteen the various nat factions is extordinary, the comments sectons on some nat blogs are like war zones. Sturgeon is public enemny number one with a good chunk of indy activists, who seem to regard her as some kind of unionist secret agent.
    Brexit and covid are battlefield smoke. Disguising the bitter Nat skirmishing.

    It will reveal itself in the end, because it is so vicious. It’s not just the call-UDI stuff, it’s internecine fighting over the Salmond trial, and much else. It is also inevitable in what is, at present, basically a one party state. When there is no actual opposition, political warring is internalised within the solitary governing party. Human nature.

    It is deeply unhealthy for Scotland and when indyref2 is denied I hope they come out and have their stramash in public. It will be cleansing for them
    "One party state"?! It's a minority government with plenty of coalitions, often including or controlled by other parties, at local government level. Never mind UK level.
    Well. that's true enough. But it takes a brave man or woman these days to fly the flag for the Union, given the propensity of the Tartan-clad myrmidons to fall upon them, and the constant accompanying drumbeat from ScotGov demonising everything UK. Some of us can remember when it felt quite normal living in Scotland.
    It kmust be a terrible shock to find the Unionist paradigm so widely questioned.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    @Richard_Nabavi thanks for the link.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,355

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That’s when they might split, quite easily. See how the Nats on here already divide between Sturgeon-admirers, and those who openly detest her.

    I'm surprised this seems to be flying under the radar so far. The sheer amount of vitriol being exchanged beteen the various nat factions is extordinary, the comments sectons on some nat blogs are like war zones. Sturgeon is public enemny number one with a good chunk of indy activists, who seem to regard her as some kind of unionist secret agent.
    Brexit and covid are battlefield smoke. Disguising the bitter Nat skirmishing.

    It will reveal itself in the end, because it is so vicious. It’s not just the call-UDI stuff, it’s internecine fighting over the Salmond trial, and much else. It is also inevitable in what is, at present, basically a one party state. When there is no actual opposition, political warring is internalised within the solitary governing party. Human nature.

    It is deeply unhealthy for Scotland and when indyref2 is denied I hope they come out and have their stramash in public. It will be cleansing for them
    "One party state"?! It's a minority government with plenty of coalitions, often including or controlled by other parties, at local government level. Never mind UK level.
    Well. that's true enough. But it takes a brave man or woman these days to fly the flag for the Union, given the propensity of the Tartan-clad myrmidons to fall upon them, and the constant accompanying drumbeat from ScotGov demonising everything UK. Some of us can remember when it felt quite normal living in Scotland.
    Har Har , what a joker.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,005

    Given the infection figures and the rate of spreading, plus the fact that we've already given the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine to 500,000 people, we should very soon be able to give some pretty definitive answers to the questions about how much protection the vaccine gives against the new strain, and also get a very good idea of whether it prevents asymptomatic infections which can spread to others. I do hope that the boffins are gathering the necessary data.

    We don;t even know for certain if the new strain is 70% quicker or not.

    Shagger Ferguson's NERVTAG committee has high confidence it is. Yesterday it was moderate confidence.

    But then Shagger has had high confidence in all sorts of things that have turned out to be complete fantasy based on rubbish modelling.
    I know. Imagine believing that letting the virus run free in the UK would result in 350,000-500,000 deaths.

    I mean, if that were remotely true, we’d be looking at a death toll over 60,000 with the amount of the population infected by now.

    (Looks at the numbers).

    Um.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,364
    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    Really? I was some years back on a holiday in Kent - inter aliis looked at a NT cottage in the Werald, stayed overnight in Maidstone and drove to Chatham for the nautical archaeology and Rochester Castle. I was struck by the disparities in wealth and income as we went throiugh it - Jessica's Pony's field alternating with grim proletarian pockets.
    The UK is somewhat unusual in not hard-zoning it's poverty. The proles are showed out of the nice old stone parts of the villages, into the super grim council estate around the corner.

    Compare with France, where the districts are close to being a different country. Even outside the big cities, the poverty seems to be segregated and carefully tucked away.
    I believe this is a good thing. Don’t you?

    In Britain we are all mixed up. Council estates right by million pound mansions. We share the country. We walk the same pavements and play in the same parks.

    France is insane, the way it carefully sequesters the poor.

    Everyone knows this happens in Paris - the suburbs are the places of banishment - but it happens everywhere. Lyon is a great example. I went there 2 years ago and thought wow, what a beautiful rich old city, France is so lucky, everyone is middle class and all the women have Hermes scarves.

    Total crap of course. The other day I met a young woman who taught in Lyon. She commuted OUT from the bourgeois city centre to the multi cultural distant suburbs, she told me the poverty is dire.

    But tourists never see it. Because it is banished from sight. See Roger’s comment earlier today about Paris being a ‘beautiful small walkable capital city’. He is just oblivious to the 80% of Paris outside le peripherique
    Deluded does not begin to explain that rubbish. Only place you see any of that is in the dump called London which is as bad as any major city.
    You haven't been near "the districts" around Paris, then. The French have worked quite hard to create the effect of them being in a different country.

    It's hard to describe - a real, defined system of exclusion.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,752
    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That’s when they might split, quite easily. See how the Nats on here already divide between Sturgeon-admirers, and those who openly detest her.

    I'm surprised this seems to be flying under the radar so far. The sheer amount of vitriol being exchanged beteen the various nat factions is extordinary, the comments sectons on some nat blogs are like war zones. Sturgeon is public enemny number one with a good chunk of indy activists, who seem to regard her as some kind of unionist secret agent.
    Brexit and covid are battlefield smoke. Disguising the bitter Nat skirmishing.

    It will reveal itself in the end, because it is so vicious. It’s not just the call-UDI stuff, it’s internecine fighting over the Salmond trial, and much else. It is also inevitable in what is, at present, basically a one party state. When there is no actual opposition, political warring is internalised within the solitary governing party. Human nature.

    It is deeply unhealthy for Scotland and when indyref2 is denied I hope they come out and have their stramash in public. It will be cleansing for them
    "One party state"?! It's a minority government with plenty of coalitions, often including or controlled by other parties, at local government level. Never mind UK level.
    Well. that's true enough. But it takes a brave man or woman these days to fly the flag for the Union, given the propensity of the Tartan-clad myrmidons to fall upon them, and the constant accompanying drumbeat from ScotGov demonising everything UK. Some of us can remember when it felt quite normal living in Scotland.
    Har Har , what a joker.
    Nicely on cue...(as if to prove the point)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,355
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That’s when they might split, quite easily. See how the Nats on here already divide between Sturgeon-admirers, and those who openly detest her.

    I'm surprised this seems to be flying under the radar so far. The sheer amount of vitriol being exchanged beteen the various nat factions is extordinary, the comments sectons on some nat blogs are like war zones. Sturgeon is public enemny number one with a good chunk of indy activists, who seem to regard her as some kind of unionist secret agent.
    Brexit and covid are battlefield smoke. Disguising the bitter Nat skirmishing.

    It will reveal itself in the end, because it is so vicious. It’s not just the call-UDI stuff, it’s internecine fighting over the Salmond trial, and much else. It is also inevitable in what is, at present, basically a one party state. When there is no actual opposition, political warring is internalised within the solitary governing party. Human nature.

    It is deeply unhealthy for Scotland and when indyref2 is denied I hope they come out and have their stramash in public. It will be cleansing for them
    "One party state"?! It's a minority government with plenty of coalitions, often including or controlled by other parties, at local government level. Never mind UK level.
    Well. that's true enough. But it takes a brave man or woman these days to fly the flag for the Union, given the propensity of the Tartan-clad myrmidons to fall upon them, and the constant accompanying drumbeat from ScotGov demonising everything UK. Some of us can remember when it felt quite normal living in Scotland.
    It kmust be a terrible shock to find the Unionist paradigm so widely questioned.
    Amazing that unionists are shocked when they treat people like slaves and serfs, lo and behold they decide they want to run their own affairs, deluded does not come into it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    edited December 2020
    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    Really? I was some years back on a holiday in Kent - inter aliis looked at a NT cottage in the Werald, stayed overnight in Maidstone and drove to Chatham for the nautical archaeology and Rochester Castle. I was struck by the disparities in wealth and income as we went throiugh it - Jessica's Pony's field alternating with grim proletarian pockets.
    The UK is somewhat unusual in not hard-zoning it's poverty. The proles are showed out of the nice old stone parts of the villages, into the super grim council estate around the corner.

    Compare with France, where the districts are close to being a different country. Even outside the big cities, the poverty seems to be segregated and carefully tucked away.
    I believe this is a good thing. Don’t you?

    In Britain we are all mixed up. Council estates right by million pound mansions. We share the country. We walk the same pavements and play in the same parks.

    France is insane, the way it carefully sequesters the poor.

    Everyone knows this happens in Paris - the suburbs are the places of banishment - but it happens everywhere. Lyon is a great example. I went there 2 years ago and thought wow, what a beautiful rich old city, France is so lucky, everyone is middle class and all the women have Hermes scarves.

    Total crap of course. The other day I met a young woman who taught in Lyon. She commuted OUT from the bourgeois city centre to the multi cultural distant suburbs, she told me the poverty is dire.

    But tourists never see it. Because it is banished from sight. See Roger’s comment earlier today about Paris being a ‘beautiful small walkable capital city’. He is just oblivious to the 80% of Paris outside le peripherique
    Deluded does not begin to explain that rubbish. Only place you see any of that is in the dump called London which is as bad as any major city.
    I'm not an expert on cities of the UK, but surely there are rich areas and poor areas of, say, Bristol, which are closer together than suburbs of Paris?

    I have seen villages with squalid, horrid little homes from an old estate, then on the same street it turns into nice, modern properties. It can be very jarring.
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like we're coming up to 1% of the nation who've had the first part of Pfizer.

    Better than a kick in the teeth.

    The rollout's been impressive so far. I thought being first to approve it might have been meaningless in practice but we do seem to be making decent progress.
    UK testing is now quite impressive, as well. We’re doing 400,000+ tests A DAY. In a few weeks we will have tested the equivalent of the entire UK population

    We have screwed up many things. But not everything
    25 weeks is a few weeks?
    Tests already done. Derrrrrr
    You need to work on your writing skills, you need to be clearer in what you write and avoid ambiguity.
    Mate, I literally go down pits, mine flints, then knap them into sex toys for a living. I don’t have time to hone my prose to the same extent. Jeez
    Do you sell the toys yourself, or merely produce them for another business? Just trying to establish how much of an entrepeneur you are. Artisanal sex toys is a rough business if you want to play with the big boys.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,752
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That’s when they might split, quite easily. See how the Nats on here already divide between Sturgeon-admirers, and those who openly detest her.

    I'm surprised this seems to be flying under the radar so far. The sheer amount of vitriol being exchanged beteen the various nat factions is extordinary, the comments sectons on some nat blogs are like war zones. Sturgeon is public enemny number one with a good chunk of indy activists, who seem to regard her as some kind of unionist secret agent.
    Brexit and covid are battlefield smoke. Disguising the bitter Nat skirmishing.

    It will reveal itself in the end, because it is so vicious. It’s not just the call-UDI stuff, it’s internecine fighting over the Salmond trial, and much else. It is also inevitable in what is, at present, basically a one party state. When there is no actual opposition, political warring is internalised within the solitary governing party. Human nature.

    It is deeply unhealthy for Scotland and when indyref2 is denied I hope they come out and have their stramash in public. It will be cleansing for them
    "One party state"?! It's a minority government with plenty of coalitions, often including or controlled by other parties, at local government level. Never mind UK level.
    Well. that's true enough. But it takes a brave man or woman these days to fly the flag for the Union, given the propensity of the Tartan-clad myrmidons to fall upon them, and the constant accompanying drumbeat from ScotGov demonising everything UK. Some of us can remember when it felt quite normal living in Scotland.
    It kmust be a terrible shock to find the Unionist paradigm so widely questioned.
    Wouldn't if it was just being "questioned". Us paradigms have to look after ourselves, y'know.
  • I hope all of my fellow Brexit supporters are ready for the shame when the EU overtakes us in number of vaccines given before the end of the year. I mean, ffs we had about three weeks' head start on them.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,934

    Given that we're doing more COVID genomic mapping than anyone and over 40% of whats being done on the entire planet, you'd think the EU might want to stay in touch...

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1341072331851100160?s=20

    Here's a freebie for HMG. There is a pandemic ongoing.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,355
    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    Really? I was some years back on a holiday in Kent - inter aliis looked at a NT cottage in the Werald, stayed overnight in Maidstone and drove to Chatham for the nautical archaeology and Rochester Castle. I was struck by the disparities in wealth and income as we went throiugh it - Jessica's Pony's field alternating with grim proletarian pockets.
    The UK is somewhat unusual in not hard-zoning it's poverty. The proles are showed out of the nice old stone parts of the villages, into the super grim council estate around the corner.

    Compare with France, where the districts are close to being a different country. Even outside the big cities, the poverty seems to be segregated and carefully tucked away.
    I believe this is a good thing. Don’t you?

    In Britain we are all mixed up. Council estates right by million pound mansions. We share the country. We walk the same pavements and play in the same parks.

    France is insane, the way it carefully sequesters the poor.

    Everyone knows this happens in Paris - the suburbs are the places of banishment - but it happens everywhere. Lyon is a great example. I went there 2 years ago and thought wow, what a beautiful rich old city, France is so lucky, everyone is middle class and all the women have Hermes scarves.

    Total crap of course. The other day I met a young woman who taught in Lyon. She commuted OUT from the bourgeois city centre to the multi cultural distant suburbs, she told me the poverty is dire.

    But tourists never see it. Because it is banished from sight. See Roger’s comment earlier today about Paris being a ‘beautiful small walkable capital city’. He is just oblivious to the 80% of Paris outside le peripherique
    Deluded does not begin to explain that rubbish. Only place you see any of that is in the dump called London which is as bad as any major city.
    Malcolm, your Nationalism has now reached the point where you claim the ONLY place you might see urban poverty is the hated English capital, London. May I gently suggest this is not a sensibly neutral perspective? Just a thought.
    What I was saying is that poverty and riches rarely rub noses other than a very few areas of London. They are usually well separated apart from a very few inner city areas in large metropolitan cities. Plenty of poverty in Scotland thanks to the union but very very few of the unionist toffs rub noses with the plebs.
  • malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    Really? I was some years back on a holiday in Kent - inter aliis looked at a NT cottage in the Werald, stayed overnight in Maidstone and drove to Chatham for the nautical archaeology and Rochester Castle. I was struck by the disparities in wealth and income as we went throiugh it - Jessica's Pony's field alternating with grim proletarian pockets.
    The UK is somewhat unusual in not hard-zoning it's poverty. The proles are showed out of the nice old stone parts of the villages, into the super grim council estate around the corner.

    Compare with France, where the districts are close to being a different country. Even outside the big cities, the poverty seems to be segregated and carefully tucked away.
    I believe this is a good thing. Don’t you?

    In Britain we are all mixed up. Council estates right by million pound mansions. We share the country. We walk the same pavements and play in the same parks.

    France is insane, the way it carefully sequesters the poor.

    Everyone knows this happens in Paris - the suburbs are the places of banishment - but it happens everywhere. Lyon is a great example. I went there 2 years ago and thought wow, what a beautiful rich old city, France is so lucky, everyone is middle class and all the women have Hermes scarves.

    Total crap of course. The other day I met a young woman who taught in Lyon. She commuted OUT from the bourgeois city centre to the multi cultural distant suburbs, she told me the poverty is dire.

    But tourists never see it. Because it is banished from sight. See Roger’s comment earlier today about Paris being a ‘beautiful small walkable capital city’. He is just oblivious to the 80% of Paris outside le peripherique
    Deluded does not begin to explain that rubbish. Only place you see any of that is in the dump called London which is as bad as any major city.
    You haven't been near "the districts" around Paris, then. The French have worked quite hard to create the effect of them being in a different country.

    It's hard to describe - a real, defined system of exclusion.
    Singapore is similar - the road in from Changi lined by nice blocks....take the MRT into the centre on the other hand...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,355
    kle4 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    Really? I was some years back on a holiday in Kent - inter aliis looked at a NT cottage in the Werald, stayed overnight in Maidstone and drove to Chatham for the nautical archaeology and Rochester Castle. I was struck by the disparities in wealth and income as we went throiugh it - Jessica's Pony's field alternating with grim proletarian pockets.
    The UK is somewhat unusual in not hard-zoning it's poverty. The proles are showed out of the nice old stone parts of the villages, into the super grim council estate around the corner.

    Compare with France, where the districts are close to being a different country. Even outside the big cities, the poverty seems to be segregated and carefully tucked away.
    I believe this is a good thing. Don’t you?

    In Britain we are all mixed up. Council estates right by million pound mansions. We share the country. We walk the same pavements and play in the same parks.

    France is insane, the way it carefully sequesters the poor.

    Everyone knows this happens in Paris - the suburbs are the places of banishment - but it happens everywhere. Lyon is a great example. I went there 2 years ago and thought wow, what a beautiful rich old city, France is so lucky, everyone is middle class and all the women have Hermes scarves.

    Total crap of course. The other day I met a young woman who taught in Lyon. She commuted OUT from the bourgeois city centre to the multi cultural distant suburbs, she told me the poverty is dire.

    But tourists never see it. Because it is banished from sight. See Roger’s comment earlier today about Paris being a ‘beautiful small walkable capital city’. He is just oblivious to the 80% of Paris outside le peripherique
    Deluded does not begin to explain that rubbish. Only place you see any of that is in the dump called London which is as bad as any major city.
    I'm not an expert on cities of the UK, but surely there are rich areas and poor areas of, say, Bristol, which are closer together than suburbs of Paris?

    I have seen villages with squalid, horrid little homes from an old estate, then on the same street it turns into nice, modern properties. It can be very jarring.
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like we're coming up to 1% of the nation who've had the first part of Pfizer.

    Better than a kick in the teeth.

    The rollout's been impressive so far. I thought being first to approve it might have been meaningless in practice but we do seem to be making decent progress.
    UK testing is now quite impressive, as well. We’re doing 400,000+ tests A DAY. In a few weeks we will have tested the equivalent of the entire UK population

    We have screwed up many things. But not everything
    25 weeks is a few weeks?
    Tests already done. Derrrrrr
    You need to work on your writing skills, you need to be clearer in what you write and avoid ambiguity.
    Mate, I literally go down pits, mine flints, then knap them into sex toys for a living. I don’t have time to hone my prose to the same extent. Jeez
    Do you sell the toys yourself, or merely produce them for another business? Just trying to establish how much of an entrepeneur you are. Artisanal sex toys is a rough business if you want to play with the big boys.
    Be nice if he could put up a price list in case some of the resident posters are looking for a last minute Christmas gift for a loved one.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    Really? I was some years back on a holiday in Kent - inter aliis looked at a NT cottage in the Werald, stayed overnight in Maidstone and drove to Chatham for the nautical archaeology and Rochester Castle. I was struck by the disparities in wealth and income as we went throiugh it - Jessica's Pony's field alternating with grim proletarian pockets.
    The UK is somewhat unusual in not hard-zoning it's poverty. The proles are showed out of the nice old stone parts of the villages, into the super grim council estate around the corner.

    Compare with France, where the districts are close to being a different country. Even outside the big cities, the poverty seems to be segregated and carefully tucked away.
    I believe this is a good thing. Don’t you?

    In Britain we are all mixed up. Council estates right by million pound mansions. We share the country. We walk the same pavements and play in the same parks.

    France is insane, the way it carefully sequesters the poor.

    Everyone knows this happens in Paris - the suburbs are the places of banishment - but it happens everywhere. Lyon is a great example. I went there 2 years ago and thought wow, what a beautiful rich old city, France is so lucky, everyone is middle class and all the women have Hermes scarves.

    Total crap of course. The other day I met a young woman who taught in Lyon. She commuted OUT from the bourgeois city centre to the multi cultural distant suburbs, she told me the poverty is dire.

    But tourists never see it. Because it is banished from sight. See Roger’s comment earlier today about Paris being a ‘beautiful small walkable capital city’. He is just oblivious to the 80% of Paris outside le peripherique
    Deluded does not begin to explain that rubbish. Only place you see any of that is in the dump called London which is as bad as any major city.
    Malcolm, your Nationalism has now reached the point where you claim the ONLY place you might see urban poverty is the hated English capital, London. May I gently suggest this is not a sensibly neutral perspective? Just a thought.
    The word you’re looking for in young person’s parlance is “troll”.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,099
    edited December 2020
    kle4 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    Really? I was some years back on a holiday in Kent - inter aliis looked at a NT cottage in the Werald, stayed overnight in Maidstone and drove to Chatham for the nautical archaeology and Rochester Castle. I was struck by the disparities in wealth and income as we went throiugh it - Jessica's Pony's field alternating with grim proletarian pockets.
    The UK is somewhat unusual in not hard-zoning it's poverty. The proles are showed out of the nice old stone parts of the villages, into the super grim council estate around the corner.

    Compare with France, where the districts are close to being a different country. Even outside the big cities, the poverty seems to be segregated and carefully tucked away.
    I believe this is a good thing. Don’t you?

    In Britain we are all mixed up. Council estates right by million pound mansions. We share the country. We walk the same pavements and play in the same parks.

    France is insane, the way it carefully sequesters the poor.

    Everyone knows this happens in Paris - the suburbs are the places of banishment - but it happens everywhere. Lyon is a great example. I went there 2 years ago and thought wow, what a beautiful rich old city, France is so lucky, everyone is middle class and all the women have Hermes scarves.

    Total crap of course. The other day I met a young woman who taught in Lyon. She commuted OUT from the bourgeois city centre to the multi cultural distant suburbs, she told me the poverty is dire.

    But tourists never see it. Because it is banished from sight. See Roger’s comment earlier today about Paris being a ‘beautiful small walkable capital city’. He is just oblivious to the 80% of Paris outside le peripherique
    Deluded does not begin to explain that rubbish. Only place you see any of that is in the dump called London which is as bad as any major city.
    I'm not an expert on cities of the UK, but surely there are rich areas and poor areas of, say, Bristol, which are closer together than suburbs of Paris?

    I have seen villages with squalid, horrid little homes from an old estate, then on the same street it turns into nice, modern properties. It can be very jarring.
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like we're coming up to 1% of the nation who've had the first part of Pfizer.

    Better than a kick in the teeth.

    The rollout's been impressive so far. I thought being first to approve it might have been meaningless in practice but we do seem to be making decent progress.
    UK testing is now quite impressive, as well. We’re doing 400,000+ tests A DAY. In a few weeks we will have tested the equivalent of the entire UK population

    We have screwed up many things. But not everything
    25 weeks is a few weeks?
    Tests already done. Derrrrrr
    You need to work on your writing skills, you need to be clearer in what you write and avoid ambiguity.
    Mate, I literally go down pits, mine flints, then knap them into sex toys for a living. I don’t have time to hone my prose to the same extent. Jeez
    Do you sell the toys yourself, or merely produce them for another business? Just trying to establish how much of an entrepeneur you are. Artisanal sex toys is a rough business if you want to play with the big boys.
    Bristol is IMO rather similar to the description of Paris, with the rich areas like Clifton have easy access to the centre, the uni, the historic buildings, etc and those inhabitants never have to witness the likes of St Pauls. Even the way you leave the city from Clifton means you don't use the motorway that takes you past the really poor areas.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,533

    Portsmouth in tier 4, Fareham in tier 2? Tier 2!!! Huh?

    I'm in Tier 4; tier 2 starts about a mile down the road for us.
    So you live in a Mad Max dystopia, whilst a mile down the road one can shop 'til you drop. Madness!
    Yes, I'm in Waverley, the only tier 2 Surrey borough - we put the case for not being moved to Tier 3, but now that we're surrounded by tier 4 we are less sure. Getting residents suggesting that we demand proof of residence before allowing anyone to shop or eat. It's very Passport to Pimlico.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,398
    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    Really? I was some years back on a holiday in Kent - inter aliis looked at a NT cottage in the Werald, stayed overnight in Maidstone and drove to Chatham for the nautical archaeology and Rochester Castle. I was struck by the disparities in wealth and income as we went throiugh it - Jessica's Pony's field alternating with grim proletarian pockets.
    The UK is somewhat unusual in not hard-zoning it's poverty. The proles are showed out of the nice old stone parts of the villages, into the super grim council estate around the corner.

    Compare with France, where the districts are close to being a different country. Even outside the big cities, the poverty seems to be segregated and carefully tucked away.
    I believe this is a good thing. Don’t you?

    In Britain we are all mixed up. Council estates right by million pound mansions. We share the country. We walk the same pavements and play in the same parks.

    France is insane, the way it carefully sequesters the poor.

    Everyone knows this happens in Paris - the suburbs are the places of banishment - but it happens everywhere. Lyon is a great example. I went there 2 years ago and thought wow, what a beautiful rich old city, France is so lucky, everyone is middle class and all the women have Hermes scarves.

    Total crap of course. The other day I met a young woman who taught in Lyon. She commuted OUT from the bourgeois city centre to the multi cultural distant suburbs, she told me the poverty is dire.

    But tourists never see it. Because it is banished from sight. See Roger’s comment earlier today about Paris being a ‘beautiful small walkable capital city’. He is just oblivious to the 80% of Paris outside le peripherique
    Deluded does not begin to explain that rubbish. Only place you see any of that is in the dump called London which is as bad as any major city.
    Malcolm, your Nationalism has now reached the point where you claim the ONLY place you might see urban poverty is the hated English capital, London. May I gently suggest this is not a sensibly neutral perspective? Just a thought.
    From what I'm hearing all the Glasgow poverty is once again hidden in the hotels still willing to sell rooms on mass to the local council.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,444

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    Really? I was some years back on a holiday in Kent - inter aliis looked at a NT cottage in the Werald, stayed overnight in Maidstone and drove to Chatham for the nautical archaeology and Rochester Castle. I was struck by the disparities in wealth and income as we went throiugh it - Jessica's Pony's field alternating with grim proletarian pockets.
    The UK is somewhat unusual in not hard-zoning it's poverty. The proles are showed out of the nice old stone parts of the villages, into the super grim council estate around the corner.

    Compare with France, where the districts are close to being a different country. Even outside the big cities, the poverty seems to be segregated and carefully tucked away.
    I believe this is a good thing. Don’t you?

    In Britain we are all mixed up. Council estates right by million pound mansions. We share the country. We walk the same pavements and play in the same parks.

    France is insane, the way it carefully sequesters the poor.

    Everyone knows this happens in Paris - the suburbs are the places of banishment - but it happens everywhere. Lyon is a great example. I went there 2 years ago and thought wow, what a beautiful rich old city, France is so lucky, everyone is middle class and all the women have Hermes scarves.

    Total crap of course. The other day I met a young woman who taught in Lyon. She commuted OUT from the bourgeois city centre to the multi cultural distant suburbs, she told me the poverty is dire.

    But tourists never see it. Because it is banished from sight. See Roger’s comment earlier today about Paris being a ‘beautiful small walkable capital city’. He is just oblivious to the 80% of Paris outside le peripherique
    Deluded does not begin to explain that rubbish. Only place you see any of that is in the dump called London which is as bad as any major city.
    You haven't been near "the districts" around Paris, then. The French have worked quite hard to create the effect of them being in a different country.

    It's hard to describe - a real, defined system of exclusion.
    This photographer famously documents some of the madder, dystopian suburbs around Paris. So dystopian they’ve been used in sci-fi movies, eg The Hunger Games

    https://weburbanist.com/2015/11/11/stark-suburbs-of-paris-dystopian-concrete-architecture/

    And remember, this is Paris - where, at least, they employed architects with imagination, even if the projects failed. Smaller French cities - or the suburbs thereof - just got endless grey slabs.

  • NickyBreakspearNickyBreakspear Posts: 774
    edited December 2020
    I see on the Covid interactive map of doom, an additional category of 800+ out of 100,000 has been added.

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map

    So far the worst I have seen today at MSOA level is Sheppey East at 2,842.
  • And that's it, work is over for the year!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,444
    malcolmg said:

    kle4 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    Really? I was some years back on a holiday in Kent - inter aliis looked at a NT cottage in the Werald, stayed overnight in Maidstone and drove to Chatham for the nautical archaeology and Rochester Castle. I was struck by the disparities in wealth and income as we went throiugh it - Jessica's Pony's field alternating with grim proletarian pockets.
    The UK is somewhat unusual in not hard-zoning it's poverty. The proles are showed out of the nice old stone parts of the villages, into the super grim council estate around the corner.

    Compare with France, where the districts are close to being a different country. Even outside the big cities, the poverty seems to be segregated and carefully tucked away.
    I believe this is a good thing. Don’t you?

    In Britain we are all mixed up. Council estates right by million pound mansions. We share the country. We walk the same pavements and play in the same parks.

    France is insane, the way it carefully sequesters the poor.

    Everyone knows this happens in Paris - the suburbs are the places of banishment - but it happens everywhere. Lyon is a great example. I went there 2 years ago and thought wow, what a beautiful rich old city, France is so lucky, everyone is middle class and all the women have Hermes scarves.

    Total crap of course. The other day I met a young woman who taught in Lyon. She commuted OUT from the bourgeois city centre to the multi cultural distant suburbs, she told me the poverty is dire.

    But tourists never see it. Because it is banished from sight. See Roger’s comment earlier today about Paris being a ‘beautiful small walkable capital city’. He is just oblivious to the 80% of Paris outside le peripherique
    Deluded does not begin to explain that rubbish. Only place you see any of that is in the dump called London which is as bad as any major city.
    I'm not an expert on cities of the UK, but surely there are rich areas and poor areas of, say, Bristol, which are closer together than suburbs of Paris?

    I have seen villages with squalid, horrid little homes from an old estate, then on the same street it turns into nice, modern properties. It can be very jarring.
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like we're coming up to 1% of the nation who've had the first part of Pfizer.

    Better than a kick in the teeth.

    The rollout's been impressive so far. I thought being first to approve it might have been meaningless in practice but we do seem to be making decent progress.
    UK testing is now quite impressive, as well. We’re doing 400,000+ tests A DAY. In a few weeks we will have tested the equivalent of the entire UK population

    We have screwed up many things. But not everything
    25 weeks is a few weeks?
    Tests already done. Derrrrrr
    You need to work on your writing skills, you need to be clearer in what you write and avoid ambiguity.
    Mate, I literally go down pits, mine flints, then knap them into sex toys for a living. I don’t have time to hone my prose to the same extent. Jeez
    Do you sell the toys yourself, or merely produce them for another business? Just trying to establish how much of an entrepeneur you are. Artisanal sex toys is a rough business if you want to play with the big boys.
    Be nice if he could put up a price list in case some of the resident posters are looking for a last minute Christmas gift for a loved one.
    Right now I’m knapping a nice flint BUTT-plug for some finance guy in Manchester. It’s bespoke as he wants something unusually large and satisfying, so the price is high. DM me if you need to know more
  • Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    kle4 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    Really? I was some years back on a holiday in Kent - inter aliis looked at a NT cottage in the Werald, stayed overnight in Maidstone and drove to Chatham for the nautical archaeology and Rochester Castle. I was struck by the disparities in wealth and income as we went throiugh it - Jessica's Pony's field alternating with grim proletarian pockets.
    The UK is somewhat unusual in not hard-zoning it's poverty. The proles are showed out of the nice old stone parts of the villages, into the super grim council estate around the corner.

    Compare with France, where the districts are close to being a different country. Even outside the big cities, the poverty seems to be segregated and carefully tucked away.
    I believe this is a good thing. Don’t you?

    In Britain we are all mixed up. Council estates right by million pound mansions. We share the country. We walk the same pavements and play in the same parks.

    France is insane, the way it carefully sequesters the poor.

    Everyone knows this happens in Paris - the suburbs are the places of banishment - but it happens everywhere. Lyon is a great example. I went there 2 years ago and thought wow, what a beautiful rich old city, France is so lucky, everyone is middle class and all the women have Hermes scarves.

    Total crap of course. The other day I met a young woman who taught in Lyon. She commuted OUT from the bourgeois city centre to the multi cultural distant suburbs, she told me the poverty is dire.

    But tourists never see it. Because it is banished from sight. See Roger’s comment earlier today about Paris being a ‘beautiful small walkable capital city’. He is just oblivious to the 80% of Paris outside le peripherique
    Deluded does not begin to explain that rubbish. Only place you see any of that is in the dump called London which is as bad as any major city.
    I'm not an expert on cities of the UK, but surely there are rich areas and poor areas of, say, Bristol, which are closer together than suburbs of Paris?

    I have seen villages with squalid, horrid little homes from an old estate, then on the same street it turns into nice, modern properties. It can be very jarring.
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like we're coming up to 1% of the nation who've had the first part of Pfizer.

    Better than a kick in the teeth.

    The rollout's been impressive so far. I thought being first to approve it might have been meaningless in practice but we do seem to be making decent progress.
    UK testing is now quite impressive, as well. We’re doing 400,000+ tests A DAY. In a few weeks we will have tested the equivalent of the entire UK population

    We have screwed up many things. But not everything
    25 weeks is a few weeks?
    Tests already done. Derrrrrr
    You need to work on your writing skills, you need to be clearer in what you write and avoid ambiguity.
    Mate, I literally go down pits, mine flints, then knap them into sex toys for a living. I don’t have time to hone my prose to the same extent. Jeez
    Do you sell the toys yourself, or merely produce them for another business? Just trying to establish how much of an entrepeneur you are. Artisanal sex toys is a rough business if you want to play with the big boys.
    Be nice if he could put up a price list in case some of the resident posters are looking for a last minute Christmas gift for a loved one.
    Right now I’m knapping a nice flint BUTT-plug for some finance guy in Manchester. It’s bespoke as he wants something unusually large and satisfying, so the price is high. DM me if you need to know more
    Jesus Sean this new incarnation is weird
  • And that's it, work is over for the year!

    Alright for some....no rest for the wicked here....
  • Hey @MrEd! Welcome back Sir
  • HYUFD said:

    I think anyone who can vote for Farage should be ashamed of themselves.

    Absolutely. Anyone who voted for Farage to have a say in our laws is inane.
    You voted for Farage last May
    No I did not.

    I voted for May and Farage to go. I voted for Farage to be made redundant and have no further part in our lawmaking.

    I can live with that.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,052
    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    Really? I was some years back on a holiday in Kent - inter aliis looked at a NT cottage in the Werald, stayed overnight in Maidstone and drove to Chatham for the nautical archaeology and Rochester Castle. I was struck by the disparities in wealth and income as we went throiugh it - Jessica's Pony's field alternating with grim proletarian pockets.
    The UK is somewhat unusual in not hard-zoning it's poverty. The proles are showed out of the nice old stone parts of the villages, into the super grim council estate around the corner.

    Compare with France, where the districts are close to being a different country. Even outside the big cities, the poverty seems to be segregated and carefully tucked away.
    I believe this is a good thing. Don’t you?

    In Britain we are all mixed up. Council estates right by million pound mansions. We share the country. We walk the same pavements and play in the same parks.

    France is insane, the way it carefully sequesters the poor.

    Everyone knows this happens in Paris - the suburbs are the places of banishment - but it happens everywhere. Lyon is a great example. I went there 2 years ago and thought wow, what a beautiful rich old city, France is so lucky, everyone is middle class and all the women have Hermes scarves.

    Total crap of course. The other day I met a young woman who taught in Lyon. She commuted OUT from the bourgeois city centre to the multi cultural distant suburbs, she told me the poverty is dire.

    But tourists never see it. Because it is banished from sight. See Roger’s comment earlier today about Paris being a ‘beautiful small walkable capital city’. He is just oblivious to the 80% of Paris outside le peripherique
    Deluded does not begin to explain that rubbish. Only place you see any of that is in the dump called London which is as bad as any major city.
    You haven't been near "the districts" around Paris, then. The French have worked quite hard to create the effect of them being in a different country.

    It's hard to describe - a real, defined system of exclusion.
    This photographer famously documents some of the madder, dystopian suburbs around Paris. So dystopian they’ve been used in sci-fi movies, eg The Hunger Games

    https://weburbanist.com/2015/11/11/stark-suburbs-of-paris-dystopian-concrete-architecture/

    And remember, this is Paris - where, at least, they employed architects with imagination, even if the projects failed. Smaller French cities - or the suburbs thereof - just got endless grey slabs.

    God brutalism is a disaster everywhere.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,132
    edited December 2020

    HYUFD said:

    I think anyone who can vote for Farage should be ashamed of themselves.

    Absolutely. Anyone who voted for Farage to have a say in our laws is inane.
    You voted for Farage last May
    No I did not.

    I voted for May and Farage to go. I voted for Farage to be made redundant and have no further part in our lawmaking.

    I can live with that.
    You said 'Absolutely. Anyone who voted for Farage to have a say in our laws is inane.'

    In May 2019 at the time of the European Parliament elections the UK was still part of the EU and the European Parliament you voted to elect MEPs from Farage's Party to still had a say in UK law.

    So by your very definition, you are therefore inane
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Malc seems grumpier than normal today - has Brexit / covid led to a shortage of Irn Bru??

  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I think anyone who can vote for Farage should be ashamed of themselves.

    Absolutely. Anyone who voted for Farage to have a say in our laws is inane.
    You voted for Farage last May
    No I did not.

    I voted for May and Farage to go. I voted for Farage to be made redundant and have no further part in our lawmaking.

    I can live with that.
    You said 'Absolutely. Anyone who voted for Farage to have a say in our laws is inane.'

    Last May at the time of the European Parliament elections the UK was still part of the EU and the European Parliament you voted to elect MEPs from Farage's Party to still had a say in UK law
    It's funny how some people are allowed to ascribe reasons to their vote yet this does not extend to things they don't personally agree with.

    Democrat? Lol
  • Loving some blue on blue action!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868

    And that's it, work is over for the year!

    Well done, I've been lounging around since Friday afternoon. My wife and I have decided to spend the next few days repainting my room at my parents house we managed to get paint on Saturday before all the shops closed. Should keep us out of everyone's way for a while.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    And that's it, work is over for the year!

    Alright for some....no rest for the wicked here....
    Yeah - I will be lucky to finish before 11 tonight - but at least I finish Wednesday night until new year
  • Daily Mail not fans of Boris....

    Boris blusters his way through pointless press conference without giving a single answer about when truckers will be allowed into France:
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,998
    edited December 2020
    kle4 said:

    gealbhan said:

    I refuse to believe some people here have jobs :)

    F*** M*! I sensed I had forgotten something today!
    PBers complaining about their jobs and bosses
    https://youtu.be/0R2fcxPYbzQ?t=32
    Incredibly prescient Friends, a whole social life based round drinking coffee :(
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Fishing said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    Really? I was some years back on a holiday in Kent - inter aliis looked at a NT cottage in the Werald, stayed overnight in Maidstone and drove to Chatham for the nautical archaeology and Rochester Castle. I was struck by the disparities in wealth and income as we went throiugh it - Jessica's Pony's field alternating with grim proletarian pockets.
    The UK is somewhat unusual in not hard-zoning it's poverty. The proles are showed out of the nice old stone parts of the villages, into the super grim council estate around the corner.

    Compare with France, where the districts are close to being a different country. Even outside the big cities, the poverty seems to be segregated and carefully tucked away.
    I believe this is a good thing. Don’t you?

    In Britain we are all mixed up. Council estates right by million pound mansions. We share the country. We walk the same pavements and play in the same parks.

    France is insane, the way it carefully sequesters the poor.

    Everyone knows this happens in Paris - the suburbs are the places of banishment - but it happens everywhere. Lyon is a great example. I went there 2 years ago and thought wow, what a beautiful rich old city, France is so lucky, everyone is middle class and all the women have Hermes scarves.

    Total crap of course. The other day I met a young woman who taught in Lyon. She commuted OUT from the bourgeois city centre to the multi cultural distant suburbs, she told me the poverty is dire.

    But tourists never see it. Because it is banished from sight. See Roger’s comment earlier today about Paris being a ‘beautiful small walkable capital city’. He is just oblivious to the 80% of Paris outside le peripherique
    Deluded does not begin to explain that rubbish. Only place you see any of that is in the dump called London which is as bad as any major city.
    You haven't been near "the districts" around Paris, then. The French have worked quite hard to create the effect of them being in a different country.

    It's hard to describe - a real, defined system of exclusion.
    This photographer famously documents some of the madder, dystopian suburbs around Paris. So dystopian they’ve been used in sci-fi movies, eg The Hunger Games

    https://weburbanist.com/2015/11/11/stark-suburbs-of-paris-dystopian-concrete-architecture/

    And remember, this is Paris - where, at least, they employed architects with imagination, even if the projects failed. Smaller French cities - or the suburbs thereof - just got endless grey slabs.

    God brutalism is a disaster everywhere.
    Do you suppose the Brutalists ever stopped to notice the terminology applied to their own architecture and ask, 'Hold on, are we the bad guys?'
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,669
    edited December 2020

    And that's it, work is over for the year!

    Alright for some....no rest for the wicked here....
    If we do get a deal I'm working for the rest of the year.

    So personally speaking No Deal would be great but as a patriot I know it is bad for the country.

    With the last episode of The Mandalorian and mutant Covid-19 December 2020 is pretty shite.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I think anyone who can vote for Farage should be ashamed of themselves.

    Absolutely. Anyone who voted for Farage to have a say in our laws is inane.
    You voted for Farage last May
    No I did not.

    I voted for May and Farage to go. I voted for Farage to be made redundant and have no further part in our lawmaking.

    I can live with that.
    You said 'Absolutely. Anyone who voted for Farage to have a say in our laws is inane.'

    In May 2019 at the time of the European Parliament elections the UK was still part of the EU and the European Parliament you voted to elect MEPs from Farage's Party to still had a say in UK law.

    So by your very definition, you are therefore inane
    No.

    Because last May I lent my vote to a protest party to ensure that our MEPs including Farage were expelled from Brussels. As they have been.

    A vote for other parties was a vote to keep farting around and a vote to keep Farage in Brussels representing us. Thanks to my vote and millions of votes like me Farage is NOT a politician in this country.

    That is a result.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,099
    edited December 2020
  • Portsmouth in tier 4, Fareham in tier 2? Tier 2!!! Huh?

    I'm in Tier 4; tier 2 starts about a mile down the road for us.
    So you live in a Mad Max dystopia, whilst a mile down the road one can shop 'til you drop. Madness!
    Yes, I'm in Waverley, the only tier 2 Surrey borough - we put the case for not being moved to Tier 3, but now that we're surrounded by tier 4 we are less sure. Getting residents suggesting that we demand proof of residence before allowing anyone to shop or eat. It's very Passport to Pimlico.
    Friends reporting they needed to show proof of address to drink in Farncombe
  • MaxPB said:

    And that's it, work is over for the year!

    Well done, I've been lounging around since Friday afternoon. My wife and I have decided to spend the next few days repainting my room at my parents house we managed to get paint on Saturday before all the shops closed. Should keep us out of everyone's way for a while.
    Sounds better idea than trying to play the mess that is Cyberpunk 2077....
  • And that's it, work is over for the year!

    Alright for some....no rest for the wicked here....
    If we do get a deal I'm working for the rest of the year.

    So personally speaking No Deal would be great but as a patriot I know it is bad for the country.

    With the last episode of The Mandalorian and mutant Covid-19 December 2020 is pretty shite.
    What an episode it was though....
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,041
    On the question of rich and poor parts of cities I remember an episode from my past. I took a group of American students from Durham down to London. They were all expecting the London of Westminster and the West End. As we pulled in to Kings Cross ( or was it Euston?) one of the students said 'It's just like Los Angeles.'
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410

    Portsmouth in tier 4, Fareham in tier 2? Tier 2!!! Huh?

    I'm in Tier 4; tier 2 starts about a mile down the road for us.
    So you live in a Mad Max dystopia, whilst a mile down the road one can shop 'til you drop. Madness!
    Yes, I'm in Waverley, the only tier 2 Surrey borough - we put the case for not being moved to Tier 3, but now that we're surrounded by tier 4 we are less sure. Getting residents suggesting that we demand proof of residence before allowing anyone to shop or eat. It's very Passport to Pimlico.
    Friends reporting they needed to show proof of address to drink in Farncombe
    Happened in Wigan. Boltoners were not welcomed. Too late by then, though.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Anecdote, not sure if @NickPalmer can corroborate this, but my dad had a phone call from a friend in Godalming (Waverley borough - Tier 2). He said it was absolutely heaving today. Assume people are travelling there from neighbouring Guildford (Tier 4).
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,858

    Leon said:

    That’s when they might split, quite easily. See how the Nats on here already divide between Sturgeon-admirers, and those who openly detest her.

    I'm surprised this seems to be flying under the radar so far. The sheer amount of vitriol being exchanged beteen the various nat factions is extordinary, the comments sectons on some nat blogs are like war zones. Sturgeon is public enemny number one with a good chunk of indy activists, who seem to regard her as some kind of unionist secret agent.
    What? Damn.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I think anyone who can vote for Farage should be ashamed of themselves.

    Absolutely. Anyone who voted for Farage to have a say in our laws is inane.
    You voted for Farage last May
    No I did not.

    I voted for May and Farage to go. I voted for Farage to be made redundant and have no further part in our lawmaking.

    I can live with that.
    You said 'Absolutely. Anyone who voted for Farage to have a say in our laws is inane.'

    Last May at the time of the European Parliament elections the UK was still part of the EU and the European Parliament you voted to elect MEPs from Farage's Party to still had a say in UK law
    It's funny how some people are allowed to ascribe reasons to their vote yet this does not extend to things they don't personally agree with.

    Democrat? Lol
    And what do you mean by that? 🤔

    Have I ever denied you the right to extend ascribe a reason behind your vote?

    In normal elections a vote is a vote to keep or get someone into Parliament. In 2019 a vote for the BXP was like a Reality TV vote to EVICT from Parliament instead.

    Did I vote to evict Farage from Parliament? Yes, yes I did. Not often you get a chance to evict from Parliament people you despise.

    If I had a chance to cast a vote to evict Corbyn from Parliament would I take it? Yes, yes I would.

    #NoRegrets
  • slade said:

    On the question of rich and poor parts of cities I remember an episode from my past. I took a group of American students from Durham down to London. They were all expecting the London of Westminster and the West End. As we pulled in to Kings Cross ( or was it Euston?) one of the students said 'It's just like Los Angeles.'

    If it was from Durham it would have been Kings Cross. Huge regeneration since then...
  • Portsmouth in tier 4, Fareham in tier 2? Tier 2!!! Huh?

    I'm in Tier 4; tier 2 starts about a mile down the road for us.
    So you live in a Mad Max dystopia, whilst a mile down the road one can shop 'til you drop. Madness!
    Yes, I'm in Waverley, the only tier 2 Surrey borough - we put the case for not being moved to Tier 3, but now that we're surrounded by tier 4 we are less sure. Getting residents suggesting that we demand proof of residence before allowing anyone to shop or eat. It's very Passport to Pimlico.
    Friends reporting they needed to show proof of address to drink in Farncombe
    "Vere are your papers?"
  • Not a great Christmas round at Paddy Powers....

    https://twitter.com/pokerfuse/status/1341090075925499907?s=19
  • Leon said:

    That’s when they might split, quite easily. See how the Nats on here already divide between Sturgeon-admirers, and those who openly detest her.

    I'm surprised this seems to be flying under the radar so far. The sheer amount of vitriol being exchanged beteen the various nat factions is extordinary, the comments sectons on some nat blogs are like war zones. Sturgeon is public enemny number one with a good chunk of indy activists, who seem to regard her as some kind of unionist secret agent.
    Neither Eck or Nippy has given evidence to the inquiry yet. Even Murrell managed to contradict his wife, so will be interesting to see what her former best mate does.

    The SNP have been almost supernaturally fortunate in how Covid has wiped all this stuff off the headlines. Even the drugs death disaster was overtaken by SuperCovid. Quite extraordinary.
    Quite extraordinary how Unionists see Covid almost entirely through the lens of how it affects the preservation of their precious Union.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,364

    slade said:

    On the question of rich and poor parts of cities I remember an episode from my past. I took a group of American students from Durham down to London. They were all expecting the London of Westminster and the West End. As we pulled in to Kings Cross ( or was it Euston?) one of the students said 'It's just like Los Angeles.'

    If it was from Durham it would have been Kings Cross. Huge regeneration since then...
    Actually the quote works for the before and after.

    Before was a bit Blade Runner. Now it is all shiny....
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,894
    HYUFD said:
    A cover of the Adam and the Ants hit from the early 1980s, I presume?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,444

    Fishing said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    Really? I was some years back on a holiday in Kent - inter aliis looked at a NT cottage in the Werald, stayed overnight in Maidstone and drove to Chatham for the nautical archaeology and Rochester Castle. I was struck by the disparities in wealth and income as we went throiugh it - Jessica's Pony's field alternating with grim proletarian pockets.
    The UK is somewhat unusual in not hard-zoning it's poverty. The proles are showed out of the nice old stone parts of the villages, into the super grim council estate around the corner.

    Compare with France, where the districts are close to being a different country. Even outside the big cities, the poverty seems to be segregated and carefully tucked away.
    I believe this is a good thing. Don’t you?

    In Britain we are all mixed up. Council estates right by million pound mansions. We share the country. We walk the same pavements and play in the same parks.

    France is insane, the way it carefully sequesters the poor.

    Everyone knows this happens in Paris - the suburbs are the places of banishment - but it happens everywhere. Lyon is a great example. I went there 2 years ago and thought wow, what a beautiful rich old city, France is so lucky, everyone is middle class and all the women have Hermes scarves.

    Total crap of course. The other day I met a young woman who taught in Lyon. She commuted OUT from the bourgeois city centre to the multi cultural distant suburbs, she told me the poverty is dire.

    But tourists never see it. Because it is banished from sight. See Roger’s comment earlier today about Paris being a ‘beautiful small walkable capital city’. He is just oblivious to the 80% of Paris outside le peripherique
    Deluded does not begin to explain that rubbish. Only place you see any of that is in the dump called London which is as bad as any major city.
    You haven't been near "the districts" around Paris, then. The French have worked quite hard to create the effect of them being in a different country.

    It's hard to describe - a real, defined system of exclusion.
    This photographer famously documents some of the madder, dystopian suburbs around Paris. So dystopian they’ve been used in sci-fi movies, eg The Hunger Games

    https://weburbanist.com/2015/11/11/stark-suburbs-of-paris-dystopian-concrete-architecture/

    And remember, this is Paris - where, at least, they employed architects with imagination, even if the projects failed. Smaller French cities - or the suburbs thereof - just got endless grey slabs.

    God brutalism is a disaster everywhere.
    Do you suppose the Brutalists ever stopped to notice the terminology applied to their own architecture and ask, 'Hold on, are we the bad guys?'
    It’s a good question. Did you ever visit Robin Hood Gardens, in east london, by the ‘acclaimed’ architectural duo peter and Alison Smithson? It was expressly *designed* to look like a fortress-cum-prison. And they certainly succeeded. Legend has it that, the day it was formally opened by the council, the first residents had already urinated in the lifts.

    Just awful. How could you put people in something like that, and still have self-esteem? Mystifying.

    https://brutalistconstructions.com/2015/11/27/robin-hood-gardens-london/

    Thankfully it has been demolished.
  • slade said:

    On the question of rich and poor parts of cities I remember an episode from my past. I took a group of American students from Durham down to London. They were all expecting the London of Westminster and the West End. As we pulled in to Kings Cross ( or was it Euston?) one of the students said 'It's just like Los Angeles.'

    If it was from Durham it would have been Kings Cross. Huge regeneration since then...
    It may well become the best place in London for the next couple of decades.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,706
    I thought it was interesting Boris said 500k people have now had the vaccine.

    It's a good news story. Although given that was the number we were all working to *before* Saturday evening's briefing when we were then subsequently told it was 350k, I'm now wondering what's more likely:

    (a) it was indeed 350k on Saturday evening and they managed another 150k on Sunday and Monday (or just Monday?)
    (b) it was actually 500k all along and they merely got their stats wrong at the weekend
    (c) they don't really actually know the number at all.

    Or am I just reading too much into it (probably).
  • tlg86 said:

    Anecdote, not sure if @NickPalmer can corroborate this, but my dad had a phone call from a friend in Godalming (Waverley borough - Tier 2). He said it was absolutely heaving today. Assume people are travelling there from neighbouring Guildford (Tier 4).

    Family says hello from just over near Farnham!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,099
    edited December 2020

    I thought it was interesting Boris said 500k people have now had the vaccine.

    It's a good news story. Although given that was the number we were all working to *before* Saturday evening's briefing when we were then subsequently told it was 350k, I'm now wondering what's more likely:

    (a) it was indeed 350k on Saturday evening and they managed another 150k on Sunday and Monday (or just Monday?)
    (b) it was actually 500k all along and they merely got their stats wrong at the weekend
    (c) they don't really actually know the number at all.

    Or am I just reading too much into it (probably).

    By all accounts, the number counting is a bit chaotic. IT system doesn't work properly, and if people don't turn up, its a bit of find somebody to jab in the hospital of possible, and is there another dose in that overfilled bottle or not.

    So I think there is probably a bit of guesswork in the quoted number at any exact moment in time.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    tlg86 said:

    Anecdote, not sure if @NickPalmer can corroborate this, but my dad had a phone call from a friend in Godalming (Waverley borough - Tier 2). He said it was absolutely heaving today. Assume people are travelling there from neighbouring Guildford (Tier 4).

    Family says hello from just over near Farnham!
    That MSOA map shows just how different the rates are for places next to each other. Farnham (posh) is quite low at the moment. Aldershot (not so posh) is higher than Woking where I am.
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    Easily fudged from here, deal announced Thursday.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868

    I thought it was interesting Boris said 500k people have now had the vaccine.

    It's a good news story. Although given that was the number we were all working to *before* Saturday evening's briefing when we were then subsequently told it was 350k, I'm now wondering what's more likely:

    (a) it was indeed 350k on Saturday evening and they managed another 150k on Sunday and Monday (or just Monday?)
    (b) it was actually 500k all along and they merely got their stats wrong at the weekend
    (c) they don't really actually know the number at all.

    Or am I just reading too much into it (probably).

    I think option a is correct, the rate of vaccination is increasing. Anecdotally I can see it too with lots of older relatives getting their appointments. My sister's grandmother in law is 78 and has hers already so clearly the government are confident in getting the over 80s all done quite fast.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,894
    tlg86 said:

    Anecdote, not sure if @NickPalmer can corroborate this, but my dad had a phone call from a friend in Godalming (Waverley borough - Tier 2). He said it was absolutely heaving today. Assume people are travelling there from neighbouring Guildford (Tier 4).

    I'd be surprised if Godalming wasn't busy at the start of Christmas week. It's not far from Guildford and obviously shops which are closed in Guildford (hairdressers, betting shops) would be open in Godalming, Farncombe, Ewhurst, Cranleigh and the like.
  • tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Anecdote, not sure if @NickPalmer can corroborate this, but my dad had a phone call from a friend in Godalming (Waverley borough - Tier 2). He said it was absolutely heaving today. Assume people are travelling there from neighbouring Guildford (Tier 4).

    Family says hello from just over near Farnham!
    That MSOA map shows just how different the rates are for places next to each other. Farnham (posh) is quite low at the moment. Aldershot (not so posh) is higher than Woking where I am.
    I wonder if we ever used the same train
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,036

    slade said:

    On the question of rich and poor parts of cities I remember an episode from my past. I took a group of American students from Durham down to London. They were all expecting the London of Westminster and the West End. As we pulled in to Kings Cross ( or was it Euston?) one of the students said 'It's just like Los Angeles.'

    If it was from Durham it would have been Kings Cross. Huge regeneration since then...
    It may well become the best place in London for the next couple of decades.
    King's Cross has always been the best place in London. It's where you leave from to head north.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,883

    slade said:

    On the question of rich and poor parts of cities I remember an episode from my past. I took a group of American students from Durham down to London. They were all expecting the London of Westminster and the West End. As we pulled in to Kings Cross ( or was it Euston?) one of the students said 'It's just like Los Angeles.'

    If it was from Durham it would have been Kings Cross. Huge regeneration since then...
    It may well become the best place in London for the next couple of decades.
    King's Cross has always been the best place in London. It's where you leave from to head north.
    Especially now they closed the station bookshop to make more room for Harry Potter ****e - no reason to linger.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,444

    Leon said:

    That’s when they might split, quite easily. See how the Nats on here already divide between Sturgeon-admirers, and those who openly detest her.

    I'm surprised this seems to be flying under the radar so far. The sheer amount of vitriol being exchanged beteen the various nat factions is extordinary, the comments sectons on some nat blogs are like war zones. Sturgeon is public enemny number one with a good chunk of indy activists, who seem to regard her as some kind of unionist secret agent.
    Neither Eck or Nippy has given evidence to the inquiry yet. Even Murrell managed to contradict his wife, so will be interesting to see what her former best mate does.

    The SNP have been almost supernaturally fortunate in how Covid has wiped all this stuff off the headlines. Even the drugs death disaster was overtaken by SuperCovid. Quite extraordinary.
    Quite extraordinary how Unionists see Covid almost entirely through the lens of how it affects the preservation of their precious Union.
    Whereas you DON’T see every issue through the prism of Scottish independence? Oh for the gift to see ourselves....
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,036
    stodge said:

    tlg86 said:

    Anecdote, not sure if @NickPalmer can corroborate this, but my dad had a phone call from a friend in Godalming (Waverley borough - Tier 2). He said it was absolutely heaving today. Assume people are travelling there from neighbouring Guildford (Tier 4).

    I'd be surprised if Godalming wasn't busy at the start of Christmas week. It's not far from Guildford and obviously shops which are closed in Guildford (hairdressers, betting shops) would be open in Godalming, Farncombe, Ewhurst, Cranleigh and the like.
    But crossing the border is illegal, so the folk from Guildford should be rounded up and interned.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,804
    MaxPB said:

    I thought it was interesting Boris said 500k people have now had the vaccine.

    It's a good news story. Although given that was the number we were all working to *before* Saturday evening's briefing when we were then subsequently told it was 350k, I'm now wondering what's more likely:

    (a) it was indeed 350k on Saturday evening and they managed another 150k on Sunday and Monday (or just Monday?)
    (b) it was actually 500k all along and they merely got their stats wrong at the weekend
    (c) they don't really actually know the number at all.

    Or am I just reading too much into it (probably).

    I think option a is correct, the rate of vaccination is increasing. Anecdotally I can see it too with lots of older relatives getting their appointments. My sister's grandmother in law is 78 and has hers already so clearly the government are confident in getting the over 80s all done quite fast.
    My dad is 94 and not heard anything.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited December 2020

    Portsmouth in tier 4, Fareham in tier 2? Tier 2!!! Huh?

    I'm in Tier 4; tier 2 starts about a mile down the road for us.
    So you live in a Mad Max dystopia, whilst a mile down the road one can shop 'til you drop. Madness!
    Yes, I'm in Waverley, the only tier 2 Surrey borough - we put the case for not being moved to Tier 3, but now that we're surrounded by tier 4 we are less sure. Getting residents suggesting that we demand proof of residence before allowing anyone to shop or eat. It's very Passport to Pimlico.
    Friends reporting they needed to show proof of address to drink in Farncombe
    We have pubs and bars with a mix of signs, some "no tier three/four customers", some "tier one (or one/two) customers only". What isn't clear is whether they mean it, or whether it's some sort of ploy to show they aren't encouraging law breaking.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    kjh said:

    MaxPB said:

    I thought it was interesting Boris said 500k people have now had the vaccine.

    It's a good news story. Although given that was the number we were all working to *before* Saturday evening's briefing when we were then subsequently told it was 350k, I'm now wondering what's more likely:

    (a) it was indeed 350k on Saturday evening and they managed another 150k on Sunday and Monday (or just Monday?)
    (b) it was actually 500k all along and they merely got their stats wrong at the weekend
    (c) they don't really actually know the number at all.

    Or am I just reading too much into it (probably).

    I think option a is correct, the rate of vaccination is increasing. Anecdotally I can see it too with lots of older relatives getting their appointments. My sister's grandmother in law is 78 and has hers already so clearly the government are confident in getting the over 80s all done quite fast.
    My dad is 94 and not heard anything.
    I'm sure the call will come soon. Maybe it depends on local capacity.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Anecdote, not sure if @NickPalmer can corroborate this, but my dad had a phone call from a friend in Godalming (Waverley borough - Tier 2). He said it was absolutely heaving today. Assume people are travelling there from neighbouring Guildford (Tier 4).

    Family says hello from just over near Farnham!
    That MSOA map shows just how different the rates are for places next to each other. Farnham (posh) is quite low at the moment. Aldershot (not so posh) is higher than Woking where I am.
    I wonder if we ever used the same train
    Possibly in the morning as I would some time catch a train that had come from Alton. But my evening train was the 16:30 to the Harbour.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,355
    edited December 2020
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    We need to build a wall and make Londoners and the South pay for it.
    Looking at this, and Malmesbury’s excellent data, it is striking how R0 does NOT correlate with relative poverty. The richest parts of England are the most infected, some of the poorest parts of the UK have some of the lowest covid rates in the country.
    Really? I was some years back on a holiday in Kent - inter aliis looked at a NT cottage in the Werald, stayed overnight in Maidstone and drove to Chatham for the nautical archaeology and Rochester Castle. I was struck by the disparities in wealth and income as we went throiugh it - Jessica's Pony's field alternating with grim proletarian pockets.
    The UK is somewhat unusual in not hard-zoning it's poverty. The proles are showed out of the nice old stone parts of the villages, into the super grim council estate around the corner.

    Compare with France, where the districts are close to being a different country. Even outside the big cities, the poverty seems to be segregated and carefully tucked away.
    I believe this is a good thing. Don’t you?

    In Britain we are all mixed up. Council estates right by million pound mansions. We share the country. We walk the same pavements and play in the same parks.

    France is insane, the way it carefully sequesters the poor.

    Everyone knows this happens in Paris - the suburbs are the places of banishment - but it happens everywhere. Lyon is a great example. I went there 2 years ago and thought wow, what a beautiful rich old city, France is so lucky, everyone is middle class and all the women have Hermes scarves.

    Total crap of course. The other day I met a young woman who taught in Lyon. She commuted OUT from the bourgeois city centre to the multi cultural distant suburbs, she told me the poverty is dire.

    But tourists never see it. Because it is banished from sight. See Roger’s comment earlier today about Paris being a ‘beautiful small walkable capital city’. He is just oblivious to the 80% of Paris outside le peripherique
    Deluded does not begin to explain that rubbish. Only place you see any of that is in the dump called London which is as bad as any major city.
    Malcolm, your Nationalism has now reached the point where you claim the ONLY place you might see urban poverty is the hated English capital, London. May I gently suggest this is not a sensibly neutral perspective? Just a thought.
    From what I'm hearing all the Glasgow poverty is once again hidden in the hotels still willing to sell rooms on mass to the local council.
    Yes all immigrants awaiting permission to stay , put there by London Home Office without any consultation with Scottish government or councils.
    Usual ill informed unionist trying to blame it on Scotland. Must try harder your lies are easily spotted. @eek
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Not a great Christmas round at Paddy Powers....

    https://twitter.com/pokerfuse/status/1341090075925499907?s=19

    I'm not going to lie, that decision seems bonkers.
  • And that's it, work is over for the year!

    Alright for some....no rest for the wicked here....
    If we do get a deal I'm working for the rest of the year.

    So personally speaking No Deal would be great but as a patriot I know it is bad for the country.

    With the last episode of The Mandalorian and mutant Covid-19 December 2020 is pretty shite.
    What an episode it was though....
    I'm still broken from watching it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    MaxPB said:

    kjh said:

    MaxPB said:

    I thought it was interesting Boris said 500k people have now had the vaccine.

    It's a good news story. Although given that was the number we were all working to *before* Saturday evening's briefing when we were then subsequently told it was 350k, I'm now wondering what's more likely:

    (a) it was indeed 350k on Saturday evening and they managed another 150k on Sunday and Monday (or just Monday?)
    (b) it was actually 500k all along and they merely got their stats wrong at the weekend
    (c) they don't really actually know the number at all.

    Or am I just reading too much into it (probably).

    I think option a is correct, the rate of vaccination is increasing. Anecdotally I can see it too with lots of older relatives getting their appointments. My sister's grandmother in law is 78 and has hers already so clearly the government are confident in getting the over 80s all done quite fast.
    My dad is 94 and not heard anything.
    I'm sure the call will come soon. Maybe it depends on local capacity.
    I sense the few GP practices that have it are doing their own elderly patients first.
  • I've been saying 30-40% is the sweet spot for weeks.

    The rest of his proposal is sensible too.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    Alistair said:

    Not a great Christmas round at Paddy Powers....

    https://twitter.com/pokerfuse/status/1341090075925499907?s=19

    I'm not going to lie, that decision seems bonkers.
    It surely goes to the SCOTUS.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,877
    RobD said:

    Given that we're doing more COVID genomic mapping than anyone and over 40% of whats being done on the entire planet, you'd think the EU might want to stay in touch...

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1341072331851100160?s=20

    Here's a freebie for HMG. There is a pandemic ongoing.
    1) Why does the EU think having its own pandemic warning system? Surely something more appropriate to be run by world organisation. We could invent one and call it something like the world health organisation as a suggestion

    2) Even in the unlikely event there is a point to an EU pandemic early warning system I suspect we can find out whats happening pandemic wise by just employing a civil servant to scan the headlines of their major newspapers
  • Alistair said:

    Not a great Christmas round at Paddy Powers....

    https://twitter.com/pokerfuse/status/1341090075925499907?s=19

    I'm not going to lie, that decision seems bonkers.
    It is free money for the state, US courts dont give much protection to UK businesses, especially in the betting industry.
  • tlg86 said:

    Anecdote, not sure if @NickPalmer can corroborate this, but my dad had a phone call from a friend in Godalming (Waverley borough - Tier 2). He said it was absolutely heaving today. Assume people are travelling there from neighbouring Guildford (Tier 4).

    Family says hello from just over near Farnham!
    My grandparents lived in Farnham, it's a nice town, we used to visit them for our summer holidays when I was a kid (Frencham ponds, Birdworld, the Watercress Line were the highlights).
  • tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Anecdote, not sure if @NickPalmer can corroborate this, but my dad had a phone call from a friend in Godalming (Waverley borough - Tier 2). He said it was absolutely heaving today. Assume people are travelling there from neighbouring Guildford (Tier 4).

    Family says hello from just over near Farnham!
    That MSOA map shows just how different the rates are for places next to each other. Farnham (posh) is quite low at the moment. Aldershot (not so posh) is higher than Woking where I am.
    I wonder if we ever used the same train
    Possibly in the morning as I would some time catch a train that had come from Alton. But my evening train was the 16:30 to the Harbour.
    Alton yes! My train
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,998
    edited December 2020
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That’s when they might split, quite easily. See how the Nats on here already divide between Sturgeon-admirers, and those who openly detest her.

    I'm surprised this seems to be flying under the radar so far. The sheer amount of vitriol being exchanged beteen the various nat factions is extordinary, the comments sectons on some nat blogs are like war zones. Sturgeon is public enemny number one with a good chunk of indy activists, who seem to regard her as some kind of unionist secret agent.
    Neither Eck or Nippy has given evidence to the inquiry yet. Even Murrell managed to contradict his wife, so will be interesting to see what her former best mate does.

    The SNP have been almost supernaturally fortunate in how Covid has wiped all this stuff off the headlines. Even the drugs death disaster was overtaken by SuperCovid. Quite extraordinary.
    Quite extraordinary how Unionists see Covid almost entirely through the lens of how it affects the preservation of their precious Union.
    Whereas you DON’T see every issue through the prism of Scottish independence? Oh for the gift to see ourselves....
    Who the fuck are you, newbie?
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Got a text from my surgery today saying dont go near the place tomorrow as there's covid vaccinating going on. Feels more real when its local.
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